Cox faces two years-life in prison for assault charge

[tsiguy96]

ENGLEWOOD, Colo. (AP) — Denver Broncos rookie cornerback Perrish Cox (FSY) could face up to life in prison if convicted of sexual assault charges filed by prosecutors last week.
A portion of the case unsealed by a Douglas County judge Tuesday shows the sexual assault charges are Class 3 and Class 4 felonies, which carry a sentence of between two years to life in prison. They involve a helpless victim.

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[mkporter]

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Beat you to it...;D

Sounds like the victim was intoxicated or drugged. I assume that is what is typical with a "helpless victim" charge. Who knows which way this goes, could be anything from a girl deciding she'd made a mistake after drinking too much, to someone who got roofied (sp?). Really hoping he didn't do something awful.



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[mhgaffney]

Swell. Just what Denver needs.

It gets worse.

[Tim]

what a steal in the 5th round!

[Requiem]

Wow.

[rbackfactory80]

Studesville pull a Bobbit on his ass.

[cmhargrove]

Studesville pull a Bobbit on his ass.

I think Cox might be getting it in the ass rather soon...

[Houshyamama]

I think Cox might be getting it in the ass rather soon...

You guys meeting up for drinks or what?

[Garcia Bronco]

He'll walk. She was drunk. She won't be able to prove he drugged her.

[Garcia Bronco]

I think Cox might be getting it in the ass rather soon...

Why would you assume he's guilty?

[atomicbloke]

We have become the Raiders.

[Tombstone RJ]

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He's not guilty of anything yet. I tend to believe when you got a high profile guy like Cox, the DA goes all out on the charges to "set an example" and prove how tuff they are on crime.

[Garcia Bronco]

He's not guilty of anything yet. I tend to believe when you got a high profile guy like Cox, the DA goes all out on the charges to "set an example" and prove how tuff they are on crime.

Seriously. It's a cliche at this point.

[yerner]

He's not guilty of anything yet. I tend to believe when you got a high profile guy like Cox, the DA goes all out on the charges to "set an example" and prove how tuff they are on crime.

Bull****.

[rbackfactory80]

You guys meeting up for drinks or what?

I guess you never heard of Lorena Bobbitt? She chopped of her husbands junk one night while sleeping. When I said Studesville should pull a Bobbitt, I meant he should remove the Cox from the Broncos.

[Tombstone RJ]

Seriously. It's a cliche at this point.

What is a "helpless victom"? What does that mean exactly? I hope this is all a big mistake, that is, someone is just trying to get money out of him, but with his tainted past, it's kinda hard to give him the benefit of the doubt. That being said, he's not guilty of anything right now...

[Los Broncos]

Pretty sad, no way he's with the team next year, right?

[Houshyamama]

I guess you never heard of Lorena Bobbitt? She chopped of her husbands junk one night while sleeping. When I said Studesville should pull a Bobbitt, I meant he should remove the Cox from the Broncos.

Yeah I remember ol' Lorena, I was just messing with cmhargrove.

[DarkHorse]

How long was the investigation before arrest? 2 or 3 months right?

Something happened whether you want to believe it or not. He ****ed up, even if he isn't guilty of sexual assault he's still guilty of being a dumbass for even being put in that situation.

I'm tired of defending the younger generation for their constant lack of common sense mistakes.

[Tombstone RJ]

How long was the investigation before arrest? 2 or 3 months right?

Something happened whether you want to believe it or not. He ****ed up, even if he isn't guilty of sexual assault he's still guilty of being a dumbass for even being put in that situation.

I'm tired of defending the younger generation for their constant lack of common sense mistakes.

I thought the incident happened when the team went to England and played the Niners...

[Tombstone RJ]

Ooops, my bad. Alleged incident happened way back in October...

[Garcia Bronco]

What is a "helpless victom"? What does that mean exactly? I hope this is all a big mistake, that is, someone is just trying to get money out of him, but with his tainted past, it's kinda hard to give him the benefit of the doubt. That being said, he's not guilty of anything right now...

A female can make any sexual claim against a male and with the most minimal of evidence have him arrested and charged. He will not face his accuser in the court of public opinion. He could be guilty.

[gtown]

Jesus, what a nightmare this organization is. The deaths of several players, talent being shipped out left and right, the coaching carousel, now this. I cringe any time I see the Broncos come up in the national press because the organization is now just a sideshow of an example of what not to do.

[DarkHorse]

Ooops, my bad. Alleged incident happened way back in October...


Yeah and that fact is what has a bad gut feeling for me. It's never good when there's a several month long investigation, usually means that they're just lining all their ducks in a row for a slam dunk case rather than charge in and arrest a guy 2 days after something happens.

[Karenin]

At least that means he'll be off the field on Sundays. Dude ****ing sucks at football.

[Kaylore]

We have become the Raiders.

Seriously. And with people around being ok with guys like Fassell and Sundquist, that's our versions of Art Shell! Yay!

[DarkHorse]

At least that means he'll be off the field on Sundays. Dude ****ing sucks at football.

You can't be serious? I thought he's played rather well for being a rookie 5th round pick.

[Garcia Bronco]

How long was the investigation before arrest? 2 or 3 months right?

Something happened whether you want to believe it or not. He ****ed up, even if he isn't guilty of sexual assault he's still guilty of being a dumbass for even being put in that situation.

I'm tired of defending the younger generation for their constant lack of common sense mistakes.

being a dumbass isn't illegal.

Unfortunately we have no details.

[Garcia Bronco]

At least that means he'll be off the field on Sundays. Dude ****ing sucks at football.

He's a roookie 5th rounder. I think your standards might be high. Especially with no pass rush.

[mkporter]

At least that means he'll be off the field on Sundays. Dude ****ing sucks at football.

Not really. He's actually played pretty well for a rookie CB opposite a HOFer.

[Tombstone RJ]

Yeah and that fact is what has a bad gut feeling for me. It's never good when there's a several month long investigation, usually means that they're just lining all their ducks in a row for a slam dunk case rather than charge in and arrest a guy 2 days after something happens.

Yep, this is not a good sign. They have had time to build their case against him. He better be prepared to sign his paychecks over to his defense attorny(s)...

[DarkHorse]

being a dumbass isn't illegal.

Unfortunately we have no details.

No you're absolutely right.

But it is a very good indication of someone that is sure to get into situations like this, wouldn't you agree?

Only a matter of time before decision making like this leads to something that affects the team right? Let's not pretend that anyone here actually cares about what he does with his life and where he ends up, but at this point in time his decisions, or lack of, directly impact the football team that we support.

[Quoydogs]

If history proves true if he goes away for a few year and it does wonders to him like it did Vick then I say throw the book at him. Merry Christmas and hallelujah we have a replacement for Champ.

[Garcia Bronco]

I know of one person that posts here that could get us the case file, but he/she would never do it. He/She is a Colorado DA.

[DarkHorse]

If history proves true if he goes away for a few year and it does wonders to him like it did Vick then I say throw the book at him. Merry Christmas and hallelujah we have a replacement for Champ.

He's facing life, that's just a few years more than a few year :thumbsup:

[Garcia Bronco]

Charges and the definitions under Colorado law:
Sexual Assault - OVERCOME VICTIM'S WILL Class 3 Felony C.R.S. § 18-3-402(1) and (4)(a)

Legal Definition of Sexual Assault:
"Any actor who knowingly inflicts sexual intrusion or sexual penetrationon a victim commits sexual assault if: 1(a) The actor causes submission of thevictim by means of sufficient consequence reasonably calculated to cause submissionagainst the victim's will AND 4(a) actor causes submission of the victim throughthe actual application of physical force."

Can He Be Sentenced to Probation?
Yes.

What Would The Term of Probation Be?
20 Years to Life.

What Type of Probation?
Intensive Sex Offender Probation. See Chart Entitled "Sex Offender Probationary Terms"

If Rigorous Terms of Probation Violated, What is Potential Consequence?
Four years to Life in prison. (4 to Life)

Can He Be Sentenced to Prison?
Yes. (It is possible, but not mandatory).

If Sentenced to Prison, What will the Term Be?
Four to Life in prison (4 to Life)

If Sentenced To and released From Prison, What is Term of Parole?
20 years to Life (20 to Life).

Registration As A Sex Offender?
Yes. For Life.


Lesser Charges
The following are two lesser charges that a jury could return with -- if they decide Mr. Bryant is guilty, but not of a class three felony sexual assault.

Unlawful Sexual Contact Class 4 Felony C.R.S. § 18-3-404(2) and (3)

Legal Definition:
"Any actor who knowingly subjects a victim to any sexual contact commitsunlawful sexual contact if . . . the actor knows that the victim does not consent. . ." and . . . "the actor compels the victim to submit by use offorce, intimidation or threat . . ."

Can He Go to Prison?
Yes.

Is Prison Mandatory if Convicted?
No.

If sentenced to prison, what is the Term??
Indeterminate term of at least 2 years to the defendant's natural life (2 to Life)

Can He Be Sentenced To Probation?
Yes.

If in Prison, When Can He Be Reviewed For Parole?
Upon serving the minimum term of his sentence.

What Is One Mandatory Requirement for Parole?
Completion of Sex Offender Treatment as outlined in the Chart Entitled "Sex Offender Probationary Terms"

What Is The Parole Term:
Ten years to Life. (10 to Life)

Register as a Sex Offender?
Yes. For Life.

[colonelbeef]

Smarter. Stronger. Rapey-er.

[DarkHorse]

He's facing Class 3 and Class 4 charges right?

What are the specifics for a Class 4 violation?

[Garcia Bronco]

He's facing Class 3 and Class 4 charges right?

What are the specifics for a Class 4 violation?

It's in the bottom of the same post. Class 4 is the lesser charge.

So they had sex, he tied her up, and she was drunk/high. I just don't see how he gets convicted; it's a tough sell. If he druged her there would be another charge.

[Chris]

How long was the investigation before arrest? 2 or 3 months right?

Something happened whether you want to believe it or not. He ****ed up, even if he isn't guilty of sexual assault he's still guilty of being a dumbass for even being put in that situation.

I'm tired of defending the younger generation for their constant lack of common sense mistakes.


It's not a generational thing. There are just as many responsible young people as there were in your generation... whatever that may be. We just report on everything now whereas in the past it was ignored or shoved under he rug.

[Garcia Bronco]

It's not a generational thing. There are just as many responsible young people as there were in your generation... whatever that may be. We just report on everything now whereas in the past it was ignored or shoved under he rug.

We pussify the children too much. They can't handle it because we as adults do not prepare them for it. Well, I do.

[DarkHorse]

It's in the bottom of the same post. Class 4 is the lesser charge.

So they had sex, he tied her up, and she was drunk/high. I just don't see how he gets convicted; it's a tough sell. If he druged her there would be another charge.


Ahh got it now thanks.

This has me curious:

submission against the victim's will and application of physical force

Submission against a persons will - does this mean he threatened her? And if so, how is this not rape?

What is an example of submission against someones will I guess is what i'm asking. I picture this as holding a gun against someone or drugging them then holding them down.

[DarkHorse]

It's not a generational thing. There are just as many responsible young people as there were in your generation... whatever that may be. We just report on everything now whereas in the past it was ignored or shoved under he rug.

Very good point, valid. Thanks.

[Garcia Bronco]

Ahh got it now thanks.

This has me curious:

submission against the victim's will and application of physical force

Submission against a persons will - does this mean he threatened her? And if so, how is this not rape?

What is an example of submission against someones will I guess is what i'm asking. I picture this as holding a gun against someone or drugging them then holding them down.

Again she was impaired based on the charge. It could mean a number of things. They could argue that his physical size and strength threatened her. We would need to see the police report and her statement to understand. She couldhave made this charge a week ago and we wouldn't know.

[Goobzilla]

/covering Rae Carruth in prison joke.

[Garcia Bronco]

/covering Rae Carruth in prison joke.

Until 2018

[DarkHorse]

We pussify the children too much. They can't handle it because we as adults do not prepare them for it. Well, I do.

I completely agree with this. Since the invention of CSB (Child Services Board) - in my area - lack of legal discipline has created a monster.

Not saying that a kid needs a good beating but setting the foundation when they're young really does make a difference. There are times when a spanking, whupping, etc... are necessary. You may not agree with that or have ever seen a situation where you feel that it's necessary but that doesn't mean those situations don't happen. Just means you haven't seen or been put into it.

I called my mother a b**** back when I was about 12 years old - '85 - and I absorbed an open handed smack right in my face that knocked me to the ground.

Never called that woman a b**** again.

Do that today and you go to jail. What a joke.

I guarantee that had one of my kids done that when they were younger then they too would have picked themselves up off the ground with a lesson learned.

[DarkHorse]

Again she was impaired based on the charge. It could mean a number of things. They could argue that his physical size and strength threatened her. We would need to see the police report and her statement to understand. She couldhave made this charge a week ago and we wouldn't know.

Got it, thanks for clarification.

[Swedish Extrovert]

How long was the investigation before arrest? 2 or 3 months right?

Something happened whether you want to believe it or not. He ****ed up, even if he isn't guilty of sexual assault he's still guilty of being a dumbass for even being put in that situation.

I'm tired of defending the younger generation for their constant lack of common sense mistakes.

Cause the older generation was so great, right?

[Garcia Bronco]

I completely agree with this. Since the invention of CSB (Child Services Board) - in my area - lack of legal discipline has created a monster.

Not saying that a kid needs a good beating but setting the foundation when they're young really does make a difference. There are times when a spanking, whupping, etc... are necessary. You may not agree with that or have ever seen a situation where you feel that it's necessary but that doesn't mean those situations don't happen. Just means you haven't seen or been put into it.

I called my mother a b**** back when I was about 12 years old - '85 - and I absorbed an open handed smack right in my face that knocked me to the ground.

Never called that woman a b**** again.

Do that today and you go to jail. What a joke.

I guarantee that had one of my kids done that when they were younger then they too would have picked themselves up off the ground with a lesson learned.

My mom couldn't do that. She was too compassionate. Realizing her limitations as a single parent(see where this is going) she sent me to military school. I got the structure and discipline I needed.

Now why did I need to go to military school? Well the structure and discipline wasn't at home. Why? Because I was the product of people who got together and made some bad decisions. I had one parent that didn't make the committment. But luckily my mom had the where-with-all to get me to place where I could get what I needed.

[DarkHorse]

Cause the older generation was so great, right?

In my opinion? Yep

Growing up in the inner city, poor, we still had respect for other people regardless of age, wealth, ethnicity, etc....

I personally don't see any of that from the younger generation coming up now. Maybe out in gated fairyland communities there are still values being instilled but here in the real world where most people are either lower middle class or outright poor, there's no morale values at all.

Real simple, look at all the newspaper articles that show 12 year old kids murdering, robbing, raping, selling drugs, etc.......

Now I may be 'old' at 38 but even in 'my time' we had newspapers and GASP color television with NEWS - if there were an incident like that involving a kid it was national news. These days, it's rarely reported with intensity because it's such a common occurrence.

I'm sure there's statistics showing that crime involving kids has risen since the 80's when I was a teen. I'm rather confident in that and if proven wrong so be it. But I won't be. Kids these days suck because 'parenting' has gone out the window.

[Garcia Bronco]

Cause the older generation was so great, right?

You shouldn't take it personally. He's not talking about you.

[gyldenlove]

It's in the bottom of the same post. Class 4 is the lesser charge.

So they had sex, he tied her up, and she was drunk/high. I just don't see how he gets convicted; it's a tough sell. If he druged her there would be another charge.

Those charges are super hard to prosecute. The class 3 charge can be prosecuted if enough evidence exists to show that he knowingly drugged her, but will be dropped if they don't think they can make that stick. The class 4 charge is a lottery at best, it usually comes down to witness testemony and wether the victim can be shown to promiscuous and the defendent is likable or not.

A jury will typically aquit the class 4 charge if they find that it was not unreasonable for the defendent to think the victim was consenting despite his or her inability to actually do so. Those cases have a very low conviction rate.

Depending in circumstances here it really comes down to the class 3 charge, if they want to go ahead with that then they will probably go to court, but if they don't feel certain they can make stick I wouldn't be surprised to see a plea bargain with no jailtime (maybe a 6 months suspended sentence), 2 years in the sex offender registry and completion of a sex offender course.

[Dagmar]

Smarter. Stronger. Rapey-er.

Keep ****ing that duck.

[DarkHorse]

My mom couldn't do that. She was too compassionate. Realizing her limitations as a single parent(see where this is going) she sent me to military school. I got the structure and discipline I needed.

Now why did I need to go to military school? Well the structure and discipline wasn't at home. Why? Because I was the product of people who got together and made some bad decisions. I had one parent that didn't make the committment. But luckily my mom had the where-with-all to get me to place where I could get what I needed.

Good for you mother - that's still parenting in my book. She made a decision to help you the way that she felt was needed. You just don't see that these days much.

I'm from a broken home but my stepfather was a blue collar roofer and was quick to jerk a knot in my ass if I stepped out of line. I've done my dirt but for the most part I learned a lot from him about respect for others and doing the 'right' thing. There's no way that I could ever rob, steal, assault, sell drugs, etc... because of the way I was brought up.

Just baffles me how meaningless the simple common sense stuff is to people anymore.

[DarkHorse]

You shouldn't take it personally. He's not talking about you.

Correct, i'm not singling anyone out - just pointing out what I see these days. It's just an opinion, my son and I argue all the time about kids these days. He's 19 years old and doesn't understand why I bitch when he can't figure out that his belt line should be around his waist and not the backs of his thighs. It's extremely disrespectful in my opinion, nobody wants to see your boxer shorts all day long. He also acts like the rest of these ghetto ass kids making up their own words and talking cryptic nonsense that sounds uneducated.

And the world patronizes it with MTV and the rest of the crap out there supporting illiteracy. Speak the language that's been around for hundreds of years, don't walk around making up words and whatnot. Not talking 'slang' either, this crap is far beyond 'slang'.

Ok that's just gonna put me in a bad mood so back to Cox making a bad bad mistake.

[Garcia Bronco]

I'm sure there's statistics showing that crime involving kids has risen since the 80's when I was a teen. I'm rather confident in that and if proven wrong so be it. But I won't be. Kids these days suck because 'parenting' has gone out the window.

I am 35 and I went to public junior high school with a bunch of animals. I know a whole lotta people that are dead.

One of my classmates was killed at a football game in Virginia Beach. The City actually shutdown night football games because of this and moved them to Saturday morning. Anyway he was shot because of some gang conflict between Filipino kids and Blacks kids. So this spills into the following Monday. During last period the Filipino gang grabs some large dowl rods from shop class. Teacher lets them walk out. What is he gonna do anyway? They proceed to go across the street from school to rumble with the Black kids. They beat one kid to death because the Black kids brought a knife to a bat fight. They next waskill Flip Day at school. I stayed home. Some poor little innocent Filipino kid got pushed down the stairs. That was my last year of public school.

The football game was Salem Junior vs Green Run. Plexico Burress went to Green Run. He also went to my Military School. LOL

[DarkHorse]

I am 35 and I went to public junior high school with a bunch of animals. I know a whole lotta people that are dead.

One of my classmates was killed at a football game in Virginia Beach. The City actually shutdown night football games because of this and moved them to Saturday morning. Anyway he was shot because of some gang conflict between Filipino kids and Blacks kids. So this spills into the following Monday. During last period the Filipino gang grabs some large dowl rods from shop class. Teacher lets them walk out. What is he gonna do anyway? They proceed to go across the street from school to rumble with the Black kids. They beat one kid to death because the Black kids brought a knife to a bat fight. They next waskill Flip Day at school. I stayed home. Some poor little innocent Filipino kid got pushed down the stairs. That was my last year of public school.

The football game was Salem Junior vs Green Run. Plexico Burress went to Green Run. He also went to my Military School. LOL

Well he obviously failed the firearms handling portion :rofl:

[Ratboy]

Guiltyomfffgggg!!11!!1

[Garcia Bronco]

Correct, i'm not singling anyone out - just pointing out what I see these days. It's just an opinion, my son and I argue all the time about kids these days. He's 19 years old and doesn't understand why I b**** when he can't figure out that his belt line should be around his waist and not the backs of his thighs. It's extremely disrespectful in my opinion, nobody wants to see your boxer shorts all day long. He also acts like the rest of these ghetto ass kids making up their own words and talking cryptic nonsense that sounds uneducated.

And the world patronizes it with MTV and the rest of the crap out there supporting illiteracy. Speak the language that's been around for hundreds of years, don't walk around making up words and whatnot. Not talking 'slang' either, this crap is far beyond 'slang'.

Ok that's just gonna put me in a bad mood so back to Cox making a bad bad mistake.

They learn eventually because you can't fight city hall. There are few professions where dressing and talking that way will get you the big job making good money.

[Baba Booey]

What an idiot. I was starting to really like Cox, too.

No homo.

[Garcia Bronco]

Well he obviously failed the firearms handling portion :rofl:

It wasn't that kind of school. The guns didn't have firing pins and were purely decorational at parade. Who knows. They probably don't carry them anymore.

[Garcia Bronco]

Those charges are super hard to prosecute. The class 3 charge can be prosecuted if enough evidence exists to show that he knowingly drugged her, but will be dropped if they don't think they can make that stick. The class 4 charge is a lottery at best, it usually comes down to witness testemony and wether the victim can be shown to promiscuous and the defendent is likable or not.

A jury will typically aquit the class 4 charge if they find that it was not unreasonable for the defendent to think the victim was consenting despite his or her inability to actually do so. Those cases have a very low conviction rate.

Depending in circumstances here it really comes down to the class 3 charge, if they want to go ahead with that then they will probably go to court, but if they don't feel certain they can make stick I wouldn't be surprised to see a plea bargain with no jailtime (maybe a 6 months suspended sentence), 2 years in the sex offender registry and completion of a sex offender course.

And this is how we keep the court system moving. :)

[Jetmeck]

I guess you never heard of Lorena Bobbitt? She chopped of her husbands junk one night while sleeping. When I said Studesville should pull a Bobbitt, I meant he should remove the Cox from the Broncos.

Well guilty as charged. I guess we'll just skip the trial or wait to find out all the facts ????

[DarkHorse]

They learn eventually because you can't fight city hall. There are few professions where dressing and talking that way will get you the big job making good money.


Meh, I worked for the largest pharma company in the world and i'm going to relay a conversation between myself, the Regional Administrator and her assistant:

Assistant: (Paraphrased) My kid is failing English

RA: (Paraphrased) Why? What is the problem?

Assistant: (Verbatim) Man, dem teachers don't be knowin what dey be talkin bout

Me: Really?

Honest to God statement out of her mouth.

[Garcia Bronco]

Lorena Bobbit. I have a friend who was in the ER when they brought John Bobbit in ...in Manassess, Va. She had broke both her femors. When they brought that guy in just about every doctor in the ER stopped what they were doing to take a look.

[Garcia Bronco]

Meh, I worked for the largest pharma company in the world and i'm going to relay a conversation between myself, the Regional Administrator and her assistant:

Assistant: (Paraphrased) My kid is failing English

RA: (Paraphrased) Why? What is the problem?

Assistant: (Verbatim) Man, dem teachers don't be knowin what dey be talkin bout

Me: Really?

Honest to God statement out of her mouth.

How you do tell that person that their child's poor skills are a direction reflection of their own poor skills; Without pissing them off?

[DarkHorse]

How you do tell that person that their child's poor skills are a direction reflection of their own poor skills; Without pissing them off?

Me? I just told her flat out that she can't even speak English properly how does she expect her kid to understand it.

I'm from a blue collar upbringing and happened to educate myself into a white collar job. I'm not politically correct most of the time and I understand that it's not a good business practice but I can't help it. I say what I mean and mean what I say, hard for me to sugar coat stuff like that. 90% of my managers understood that about me and actually liked the fact that I called it as I saw it without mincing words.

Now when Pfizer sent out the senior VP's from NY I did my best fake white collar ass kissing PC talk.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

And this is how we keep the court system moving. :)

Considering he knows jack **** about Colorado sentencing law, no, that's not how you keep the system moving.

[Garcia Bronco]

Considering he knows jack **** about Colorado sentencing law, no, that's not how you keep the system moving.

Please educate us.

[Garcia Bronco]

Me? I just told her flat out that she can't even speak English properly how does she expect her kid to understand it.

I'm from a blue collar upbringing and happened to educate myself into a white collar job. I'm not politically correct most of the time and I understand that it's not a good business practice but I can't help it. I say what I mean and mean what I say, hard for me to sugar coat stuff like that. 90% of my managers understood that about me and actually liked the fact that I called it as I saw it without mincing words.

Now when Pfizer sent out the senior VP's from NY I did my best fake white collar ass kissing PC talk.

Nice

[cutthemdown]

can't believe Broncos even played him last week. Unreal. This team won't do any better if they keep any of these clows running the show around. Hell we may need to have team sold to be good again.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Please educate us.

You've posted the penalties. He pleas to a felony, it's 10 to life SOISP and lifetime registration with sex offender treatment. He pleas to a misdemeanor, it's 10 years registration with treatment.

That stuff is statutory, a plea bargain can't go outside it.

[Ray Finkle]

without the facts it is difficult to make a valid conclusion...

however, i will step on my soapbox and say that there is too much smoke not to be fire from what has been released.....what a POS.

[spdirty]

Should make him inactive the rest of the season and if he pleads out or is convicted of anything, let him go. If not guilty, welcome back to the team. If the case is not settled by training camp, cut him. 5th round pick, who gives a ****.

[oubronco]

The charges against Cox will require the state to prove that he had sex with the woman and that she was "physically helpless and the actor knows the victim is physically helpless and the victim has not consented."


That's alot to have to prove


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[rugbythug]

I will withhold judgment myself a girl cried rape on a friend when her husband found out. He passed a lie detector test so they did nothing. Although she refused one.

[Garcia Bronco]

I will withhold judgment myself a girl cried rape on a friend when her husband found out. He passed a lie detector test so they did nothing. Although she refused one.

I've seen that as well.

I've seen a girl and boyfirend fighting in a bar. He beat her good. This other guy starts whipping the crap out of the boyfriend. When the police showed up the girl and boyfirend tried to say that the guy that tried to defend her...started the whole thing.

People will turn on you like a dog.

[Pony Boy]

If his last name was Roethlisberger, he would get off with a slap on the wrist. I hope for Cox's sake the girl isn't white.

[Jason in LA]

He's not guilty of anything yet. I tend to believe when you got a high profile guy like Cox, the DA goes all out on the charges to "set an example" and prove how tuff they are on crime.

Like in the Ray Lewis case. The DA charging him was a farce. Dude was trying to make it into a high profile case. There was no evidence or witnesses that showed that Lewis stabbed anybody. That DA was trying to make a name for himself.

[Garcia Bronco]

Like in the Ray Lewis case. The DA charging him was a farce. Dude was trying to make it into a high profile case. There was no evidence or witnesses that showed that Lewis stabbed anybody. That DA was trying to make a name for himself.

Wait a second...Ray had information and refused to tell the law what happened and thus they charged Ray to get him to talk. That's different. That's why he was convicted of obstruction of justice. I don't think he's a good example.

[~Crash~]

He'll walk. She was drunk. She won't be able to prove he drugged her.

she is after money.

[Tombstone RJ]

Like in the Ray Lewis case. The DA charging him was a farce. Dude was trying to make it into a high profile case. There was no evidence or witnesses that showed that Lewis stabbed anybody. That DA was trying to make a name for himself.

I'm not sure about that, I don't know the circumstances around ray-ray's trial. I just think the DA sees a high profile name, knows the media will be involved, knows the alleged offender has money, so the DA goes balls-to-the-wall after said defendent. Much more like the Kobe Bryant incident.

[~Crash~]

She will drop her charges and he will be forking over half of his paychecks to her .

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Carol Chambers is well known and is bat**** crazy. This could be a weak case, but I doubt she's pushing this for publicity.

And let's be real, Cox is a 5th round rookie. He's not that well known.

[Tombstone RJ]

Carol Chambers is well known and is bat**** crazy. This could be a weak case, but I doubt she's pushing this for publicity.

And let's be real, Cox is a 5th round rookie. He's not that well known.

fair enough, but this case will get a lot of media attention on the Front Range...

[vancejohnson82]

hard to say....

seen 2 cases where the girl cried rape and it was really just her having bad judgement and being embarrassed about what she did

[Tombstone RJ]

hard to say....

seen 2 cases where the girl cried rape and it was really just her having bad judgement and being embarrassed about what she did

that happens to me a lot...;D

[TheReverend]

that happens to me a lot...;D

You get drunk and bang some guy?

[vancejohnson82]

You get drunk and bang some guy?

i think the gay innuendo ratio has gone up 700% since McDaniels got fired...

coincidence?

[Tombstone RJ]

You get drunk and bang some guy?

was that you? :kiss:

[TheReverend]

was that you? :kiss:

Only on the days that ended in "y"

[broncocalijohn]

Not really. He's actually played pretty well for a rookie CB opposite a HOFer.

I dont think Cox is playing that well but two things stand out for him and one is he is thrown much more with Bailey on opposite side and two, he is a rookie with a learning curve. Messing up with the law has very little learning curve. You should already know this ****. I hope it is not true and he was dealing with a crazy bitch.

[mkporter]

If his last name was Roethlisberger, he would get off with a slap on the wrist. I hope for Cox's sake the girl isn't white.

I'm sure you mean that you hope he didn't rape her, right?

[mkporter]

I dont think Cox is playing that well but two things stand out for him and one is he is thrown much more with Bailey on opposite side and two, he is a rookie with a learning curve. Messing up with the law has very little learning curve. You should already know this ****. I hope it is not true and he was dealing with a crazy b****.

I'm missing your point. I was contending that the dude doesn't "****ing suck." I have no use for him if he did what he was accused of.

[mkporter]

I completely agree with this. Since the invention of CSB (Child Services Board) - in my area - lack of legal discipline has created a monster.

Not saying that a kid needs a good beating but setting the foundation when they're young really does make a difference. There are times when a spanking, whupping, etc... are necessary. You may not agree with that or have ever seen a situation where you feel that it's necessary but that doesn't mean those situations don't happen. Just means you haven't seen or been put into it.

I called my mother a b**** back when I was about 12 years old - '85 - and I absorbed an open handed smack right in my face that knocked me to the ground.

Never called that woman a b**** again.

Do that today and you go to jail. What a joke.

I guarantee that had one of my kids done that when they were younger then they too would have picked themselves up off the ground with a lesson learned.

I think losing the privilege of hitting our kids is probably a reasonable price to pay to save the kids who are chronically abused. If you need to hit a child to instill discipline, you are doing it wrong.

[Tombstone RJ]

I think losing the privilege of hitting our kids is probably a reasonable price to pay to save the kids who are chronically abused. If you need to hit a child to instill discipline, you are doing it wrong.

there's a difference between hitting a child and spanking a child and if you don't know the difference, then you are doing it wrong.

[Boobs McGee]

I think the spanking argument has been covered here ;D

http://orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=81605&highlight=spanking+kids

[broncocalijohn]

I'm missing your point. I was contending that the dude doesn't "****ing suck." I have no use for him if he did what he was accused of.

He should know this **** as in not raping women (or men). That is what I put in the post. I was just adding on to your comments on Cox the player (or is it playa?)

[mkporter]

there's a difference between hitting a child and spanking a child and if you don't know the difference, then you are doing it wrong.

Yep, and I was talking about hitting. My point isn't to demonize parents who hit their children rarely. My mom hit me once because I basically goaded her into it when I was 11 or 12, and I deserved it. She is still guilty about it to this day, however. Same thing goes for DarkHorse's mom, I don't think it makes her a bad person, or parent. My point was that there are some very valid reasons to have services dedicated to the protection of children from abusive parents. It's not just to inconvenience parents who want to spank their kids.

[mkporter]

He should know this **** as in not raping women (or men). That is what I put in the post. I was just adding on to your comments on Cox the player (or is it playa?)

Gotcha. Thought you meant I should know this ****. Agreed.

[mkporter]

back when I was about 12 years old - '85

You have got to be the oldest 37 year old in the world. You really gotta save some of the "back in my day..." and "what's wrong with kids these days..." stuff until you get to 60 or so. Otherwise you are not going to have anything to talk about. :giggle:

[DarkHorse]

You have got to be the oldest 37 year old in the world. You really gotta save some of the "back in my day..." and "what's wrong with kids these days..." stuff until you get to 60 or so. Otherwise you are not going to have anything to talk about. :giggle:

Oh i'm sure with the way education and common courtesy are declining in the country i'll have plenty to bitch about when i'm older :rofl:

[Jason in LA]

Wait a second...Ray had information and refused to tell the law what happened and thus they charged Ray to get him to talk. That's different. That's why he was convicted of obstruction of justice. I don't think he's a good example.

The guy was charged with murder. There wasn't any evidence or witnesses that said he killed anybody. I don't think that the DA ever thought that Lewis stabbed anybody. It fits perfect. I wonder if the people who call Lewis a murderer really believe that he stabbed anybody.

[Jason in LA]

And let's be real, Cox is a 5th round rookie. He's not that well known.

He plays in the NFL. That makes it a high profile case. Attaching the Broncos name and the NFL to it makes it high profile.

[mkporter]

Oh i'm sure with the way education and common courtesy are declining in the country i'll have plenty to b**** about when i'm older :rofl:

Education and courtesy are over-rated. 24-7 updates on Ashton Kutcher's activities and phones that can do everything except make a quality call are all I really need. :~ohyah!:

[KevinJames]

Sounds like another case of a chick telling a good lie and trying to get paid when she found out he was a NFL Player....

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[edog24]

It sure seems like most people on here want to blame the victim which is sad. This is a major offense, not just some night out drunk partying.

If he did it I hope the kid fries. I could care less if he is a Bronco, Raider, McDonalds employee, the guy needs to see the long arm of the law. Yeah, I hate rapistburger too.

[hades]

Coming soon to a law and order SVU show next fall. Professional football player accused of sexual assualt. What's the verdict? Tune in and watch the case unfold while Benson and Stabler uncover the seedy details.

[Garcia Bronco]

The guy was charged with murder. There wasn't any evidence or witnesses that said he killed anybody. I don't think that the DA ever thought that Lewis stabbed anybody. It fits perfect. I wonder if the people who call Lewis a murderer really believe that he stabbed anybody.


I am pretty sure the DA knew he didn't do it either, but he knew he did know who did and he wouldn't tell the police. He's lucky all he got was OoJ.

[jhns]

What a POS... Why are we still playing this guy?

[footstepsfrom#27]

There seems to be a pretty tight lid on the specifics of this. When Kobe's thing leaked out we had all the lurid details, correct or not, bandied in the press. How come all we know about this fits into one sentence?

[footstepsfrom#27]

Sounds like another case of a chick telling a good lie and trying to get paid when she found out he was a NFL Player....
Which part of the one sentence statement sounds like that to you?

[Rock Chalk]

Yeah and that fact is what has a bad gut feeling for me. It's never good when there's a several month long investigation, usually means that they're just lining all their ducks in a row for a slam dunk case rather than charge in and arrest a guy 2 days after something happens.

No it doesn't.

Im not defending Cox, I dont know what happened and I don't care what happened.

Just responding to your idiotic assumptions.

Most investigations involving sexual assault that last anywhere from 3-6 months usually means the DA and/or police have less evidence than you need for a "slam dunk" case. Suggesting the physical evidence is on short supply so eye witness evidence has to be gathered and that takes a long time. Without eye witnesses, these are very difficult to prove. Girl may have been a helpless victim or she may have just decided to get paid. Either way its difficult to prove.

[CEH]

There seems to be a pretty tight lid on the specifics of this. When Kobe's thing leaked out we had all the lurid details, correct or not, bandied in the press. How come all we know about this fits into one sentence?

Supposely there are some more disturbing details floating around and possibly the lid will be blown off at Dove Valley.

Stay tuned

[Man-Goblin]

Supposely there are some more disturbing details floating around and possibly the lid will be blown off at Dove Valley.

Stay tuned

Care to expand on that?

[footstepsfrom#27]

Supposely there are some more disturbing details floating around and possibly the lid will be blown off at Dove Valley.

Stay tuned
I'll wait till it's official. Nice avatar BTW...where'd you find it?

[Beantown Bronco]

Supposely there are some more disturbing details floating around and possibly the lid will be blown off at Dove Valley.

Stay tuned

Easy way to tell if your rumor is true or not IMO. He plays this weekend? Not true. He doesn't? True.

[Garcia Bronco]

There seems to be a pretty tight lid on the specifics of this. When Kobe's thing leaked out we had all the lurid details, correct or not, bandied in the press. How come all we know about this fits into one sentence?

Because it's a weak case at best.

[bendog]

Because it's a weak case at best.

How do you know this? How the **** do YOU presume to challange a woman who claims to have been raped without any ****ing idea of what went on, you misogynist piece of ****!

[tsiguy96]

Supposely there are some more disturbing details floating around and possibly the lid will be blown off at Dove Valley.

Stay tuned

what does "lid will be blown off at Dove Valley" mean?

confused face

[footstepsfrom#27]

Because it's a weak case at best.
Like Bendog says, how do you know? It may very well be they simply have an excellent lik on people talking. There's no evidence one way or another at this point.

[CEH]

I'll wait till it's official. Nice avatar BTW...where'd you find it?

www.vicandgary.com

[CEH]

what does "lid will be blown off at Dove Valley" mean?

confused face

IDK my guess is like we've heard more Broncos involved than just Cox

Mike Kils said it this morning on the radio.

[Mile High Shack]

IDK my guess is like we've heard more Broncos involved than just Cox

Mike Kils said it this morning on the radio.

so it was just a hyperbole spouted out by a radio jockey trying to get ratings....gotcha

[footstepsfrom#27]

education and courtesy are over-rated. 24-7 updates on ashton kutcher's activities and phones that can do everything except make a quality call are all i really need. :~ohyah!:
lmao!

[BroncoLifer]

I never want to blaim a victim, and rapists should be locked up and the key thrown away. But the link below is the latest example of why not to jump to conclusions:

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/wabc_weather_gal_in_rape_lie_cops_Dt6rDzCTktzVPJ04 9g2YlO

[jhns]

I never want to blaim a victim, and rapists should be locked up and the key thrown away. But the link below is the latest example of why not to jump to conclusions:

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/wabc_weather_gal_in_rape_lie_cops_Dt6rDzCTktzVPJ04 9g2YlO

That is a horrible example. There was no investigation that led to an arrest. They don't make arrests after investigations unless they have good evidence that the person did it. Just look at Rapethisberger. He never once got arrested even though he had an accuser and an investigation. There has to be proof.

[BroncoLifer]

That is a horrible example. There was no investigation that led to an arrest. They don't make arrests after investigations unless they have good evidence that the person did it. Just look at Rapethisberger. He never once got arrested even though he had an accuser and an investigation. There has to be proof.

It's an example of the fact that sometimes people lie.

[Garcia Bronco]

How do you know this? How the **** do YOU presume to challange a woman who claims to have been raped without any ****ing idea of what went on, you misogynist piece of ****!

lol.

we actually know more than you think.

but to clarify my post... i was speaking from a trial perspective. The state will have a hard time proving the class 3 or class 4 felony if he fights it.

[footstepsfrom#27]

lol.

we actually know more than you think.

but to clarify my post... i was speaking from a trial perspective. The state will have a hard time proving her charge if he fights it.
You're making a clandestine reference to having inside info? If you do then share it. What do you mean, "if he fights it"? OF COURSE he's going to fight it...but how would you know what the state will have a hard time proving unless you're privvy to the evidence? Is that what you're implying or am I missunderstanding you?

[Garcia Bronco]

You're making a clandestine reference to having inside info? If you do then share it. What do you mean, "if he fights it"? OF COURSE he's going to fight it...but how would you know what the state will have a hard time proving unless you're privvy to the evidence? Is that what you're implying or am I missunderstanding you?

i am not privy to any of that. i am spectulating.

i just think based on what the charge is, specifically the class 4 charge, that the state will have to prove that she knowing got drunk and he had sexual contact with her while she was passed out. i don't believe that he would drug her. So I think this is related to alcohol.

It'll be hard to prove that she didn't consent if he claims that she did consent.

if they searched his place and found drugs, then we would have heard about the search warrant.

[Garcia Bronco]

IDK my guess is like we've heard more Broncos involved than just Cox

Mike Kils said it this morning on the radio.

i don't buy that either. now that we know the charge...what kind of senario are we talking about here. 3 or 4 professional football players drugged up girls to rape them? maybe college kids, not paid players. they don't need to do it

is it possible? certainly

i doubt it. they would have arrested all of them at once.

[footstepsfrom#27]

i am not privy to any of that. i am spectulating.
You said, "it's a weak case at best", and "we actually know more than you think'. How is that "speculating"? Speculation wouldn't state something in the affirmative like you did. The truth is, you have nothing to base that on.
i just think based on what the charge is, specifically the class 4 charge, that the state will have to prove that she knowing got drunk and he had sexual contact with her while she was passed out. i don't believe that he would drug her. So I think this is related to alcohol.
I haven't even heard alcohol mentioned, so where are you getting this? And why exactly do you not believe he wouldn't drug her? These are two more unwarranted assumptions.
It'll be hard to prove that she didn't consent if he claims that she did consent.
Now this IS speculation. There could be any number of ways this plays out beyond he said/she said. Eye witnesses, security cameras, someone with a camera phone, bruises and physical evidence, DNA evidence, testimony from people she may have talked to or even someone he might have talked to...the list could be endless. Lots of rape case comes down to he said/she said though...and there are plenty of dudes in the slammer for it anyway. What ultimately this will be decided by is 12 people and whether they believe what the state says vs. what the defense says. I don't think this is any kind of slam dunk for Cox, and certainly nothing I've heard yet indicates this case is weak as you suggested. It's apparently strong enough that a prosecutor thinks he can win. Now whether that's because he wants to take down an NFL player and be a big shot or he's just a dedicated public servant...or he's missreading the strength of the case...I have no idea and neither does anyone else in here.

Time will tell...one thing's sure; this is the worst season in Bronco history when you take everything together...the coaching blunders, the record, the blowouts, the firing, the QB situation...the division among the fans...this is just icing on the cake. I can't believe two weeks ago we were excited about this guy as a draft day steal and even this little bit of pleasure is stolen away now.

Bowlen must have made a deal with the devil for those Lombardis and he's paying the debt ahead of time.

[footstepsfrom#27]

i don't buy that either. now that we know the charge...what kind of senario are we talking about here. 3 or 4 professional football players drugged up girls to rape them? maybe college kids, not paid players. they don't need to do itis it possible? certainly

i doubt it. they would have arrested all of them at once.
Dude...how many Broncos were with Darrant Williams the night he was killed? Half a dozen? Don't kid yourself...being rich and famous has zip to do with whether a man could do this or not. Would they be this stupid? Sure...why not? You seem to be grasping at any straw you can find here...why not just reserve judgement till the trial instead of forming an opinion based on nothing but your own imagination?

As for arresting them all, perhaps she doesn't know who the others were, or perhaps the evidence isn't there to make any arrests yet. Perhaps the prosecutor is just smart enough to take it slow and try to avoid mistakes...who knows? Nobody...but you know what they say about assuming right?

[Garcia Bronco]

Dude...how many Broncos were with Darrant Williams the night he was killed? Half a dozen? Don't kid yourself...being rich and famous has zip to do with whether a man could do this or not. Would they be this stupid? Sure...why not? You seem to be grasping at any straw you can find here...why not just reserve judgement till the trial instead of forming an opinion based on nothing but your own imagination?

As for arresting them all, perhaps she doesn't know who the others were, or perhaps the evidence isn't there to make any arrests yet. Perhaps the prosecutor is just smart enough to take it slow and try to avoid mistakes...who knows? Nobody...but you know what they say about assuming right?

sure. Everything you've posted is possible, just not probable in my opinion. He would have had to have drugged her.

[vancejohnson82]

the problem I have with the reporting of this is perfectly summed up in the PFT report...

all it said was that he sexually assualted a helpless victim...they then left it up to the entire comments section to assume that the girl was mentally or physically handicapped and/or that he drugged her

A kid at a high school near me was accused of rape as a junior...he and the girl had been messing around for a while when the charge came up....he was a great wrestler and was on his way to Boston College....Boston College took away his scholarship and denied him admission after finding out about the accusation...no trial, just the accusation...charges were dropped but his name was absolute dirt outside of his circle of friends...he ended up lighting himself on fire in his room and killed himself...the girl later admitted that she made up the rape story

i dont think being skeptical sometimes is being mysogonist

[Garcia Bronco]

Dude...how many Broncos were with Darrant Williams the night he was killed? Half a dozen? Don't kid yourself...being rich and famous has zip to do with whether a man could do this or not. Would they be this stupid? Sure...why not? You seem to be grasping at any straw you can find here...why not just reserve judgement till the trial instead of forming an opinion based on nothing but your own imagination?

As for arresting them all, perhaps she doesn't know who the others were, or perhaps the evidence isn't there to make any arrests yet. Perhaps the prosecutor is just smart enough to take it slow and try to avoid mistakes...who knows? Nobody...but you know what they say about assuming right?

The Broncos with Darrent the night he was shot didn't do anything wrong. Except for ....wait for it...Brandon Marshall slapped some kid and sprayed some drink on them. I don't see how the two marry up in your comparison.

The report was that is was multiple women and multiple players. So am I to believe they all drugged up their dates as a group and took them to their seperate rooms? I just don't believe we hit the sweet spot of players on inactive to get together and rape a bunch of women while the team was away.

[footstepsfrom#27]

sure. Everything you've posted is possible, just not probable in my opinion. He would have had to have drugged her.
Where are you getting this from? First of all, what makes you assume he had to drug her? Second, what makes you assume he couldn't/wouldn't? He could have easily slipped her a roofie...why is that so hard to fathom? It happens all the time. I don't know if he did it...I hope he didn't. But I damn sure don't think forming an opinion before one sylable of testimony has been uttered is anything but folly.

[footstepsfrom#27]

The Broncos with Darrent the night he was shot didn't do anything wrong. Except for ....wait for it...Brandon Marshall slapped some kid and sprayed some drink on them. I don't see how the two marry up in your comparison.
You don't see how getting into a conflict with gang bangers looking to make a name for themselves in a bar might have influenced what happened that night? Seriously? Second, I didn't say they did anything wrong, but I'm pointing out that NFL player frequently run in groups of guys when they're out there partying. Given that DW was murdered in this city, you don't see the relevance of a group of players being out together when one gets accused of something? How do you not?
The report was that is was multiple women and multiple players. So am I to believe they all drugged up their dates as a group and took them to their seperate rooms? I just don't believe we hit the sweet spot of players on inactive to get together and rape a bunch of women while the team was away.
What report is this? Have you read the official report of the story the woman gave, or just what some media hack superimposed in order to pump up his opportunity for a hot by-line? We have no idea what the exact story is at this point. And as for whether multiple players and multiple women were "involved", I'm not sure what that necessarily means, but I see no reason to assume that it's beyond possibility. I didn't think a high profile NFL QB would be running a huge dog fighting operation either, but it damn sure happened huh? These guys grow up in crime infested urban ****holes and they see violence against women and hatred among men for women every day of their lives. Then they suddenly come into millions...and it can easily give them a sense of being above the law. Gang rape is a particuarly loathsome crime...here in Arlington TX where I live, it was happening at the high school level here for several years at parties where high school football players got girls drunk and passed out then assaulted them. That's HIGH SCHOOL...any reason we should think that's so far fetched because the guy is in the NFL? I see none.

Wait till all the FACTS are known...that's all I'm saying.

[bronco610]

lol.

we actually know more than you think.

but to clarify my post... i was speaking from a trial perspective. The state will have a hard time proving the class 3 or class 4 felony if he fights it.

In texas she is considered to not be of her own mind if she is drunk. If you have sex with her she can then say she didnt consent and you raped her, you are screwed. Just learned this in one of my college courses the other day.

[Garcia Bronco]

In texas she is considered to not be of her own mind if she is drunk. If you have sex with her she can then say she didnt consent and you raped her, you are screwed. Just learned this in one of my college courses the other day.

that's a poorly written law IMO. either way you have to protect yourself.

[Play2win]

There should be a law written making it a crime to knowingly, falsely cry rape. I'm not sure if it should be a felony, but it should be there.

[oubronco]

If she was drugged and passed out how does she know that Cox raped her?

[TailgateNut]

How long was the investigation before arrest? 2 or 3 months right?

Something happened whether you want to believe it or not. He ****ed up, even if he isn't guilty of sexual assault he's still guilty of being a dumbass for even being put in that situation.

I'm tired of defending the younger generation for their constant lack of common sense mistakes.


The time that elapsed between the crime and arrest lead me to believe that the DA wanted to be sure he had a case before arresting and charging him. I think he might be ****ED, and if he did it, good ridance. Dumbass has enough cash to hire a hooker.

[Garcia Bronco]

The time that elapsed between the crime and arrest lead me to believe that the DA wanted to be sure he had a case before arresting and charging him. I think he might be ****ED, and if he did it, good ridance. Dumbass has enough cash to hire a hooker.

for all we know she went to police 2 weeks ago

[bendog]

the problem I have with the reporting of this is perfectly summed up in the PFT report...

all it said was that he sexually assualted a helpless victim...they then left it up to the entire comments section to assume that the girl was mentally or physically handicapped and/or that he drugged her

A kid at a high school near me was accused of rape as a junior...he and the girl had been messing around for a while when the charge came up....he was a great wrestler and was on his way to Boston College....Boston College took away his scholarship and denied him admission after finding out about the accusation...no trial, just the accusation...charges were dropped but his name was absolute dirt outside of his circle of friends...he ended up lighting himself on fire in his room and killed himself...the girl later admitted that she made up the rape story

i dont think being skeptical sometimes is being mysogonist

There's a difference between being skeptical and garcia's BULLSHOOT SPECULATION that the woman is looking for a payday. That's mysoginist, and hardly gacia's first visit into that realm

Ps and it sucks. If tj is gonna play with THIS BEING A FAMILY PLACE WITH MODERATION, garcia needs to be shut the **** down

[Garcia Bronco]

There's a difference between being skeptical and garcia's BULLSHOOT SPECULATION that the woman is looking for a payday. That's mysoginist, and hardly gacia's first visit into that realm

Ps and it sucks. If tj is gonna play with THIS BEING A FAMILY PLACE WITH MODERATION, garcia needs to be shut the **** down

i didn't say she was looking for a payday. Well know that if she slaps a civil suit on him. what I said was that its weak case; meaning it'll be tough to prove.

[Crushaholic]

Other inmates to Cox: "You have a purty name" :clown:

[Garcia Bronco]

by all means bendog, who is obviously is taking a post personally, please report the post.

i think you have personal experience that is making you emotional about this.

[cutthemdown]

In texas she is considered to not be of her own mind if she is drunk. If you have sex with her she can then say she didnt consent and you raped her, you are screwed. Just learned this in one of my college courses the other day.

What if both people equally drunk?

[cutthemdown]

that's a poorly written law IMO. either way you have to protect yourself.

Just because those men got away with raping you that one time doesn't mean Cox will get away with it. Hilarious!

[gyldenlove]

Now this IS speculation. There could be any number of ways this plays out beyond he said/she said. Eye witnesses, security cameras, someone with a camera phone, bruises and physical evidence, DNA evidence, testimony from people she may have talked to or even someone he might have talked to...the list could be endless. Lots of rape case comes down to he said/she said though...and there are plenty of dudes in the slammer for it anyway. What ultimately this will be decided by is 12 people and whether they believe what the state says vs. what the defense says. I don't think this is any kind of slam dunk for Cox, and certainly nothing I've heard yet indicates this case is weak as you suggested. It's apparently strong enough that a prosecutor thinks he can win. Now whether that's because he wants to take down an NFL player and be a big shot or he's just a dedicated public servant...or he's missreading the strength of the case...I have no idea and neither does anyone else in here.

Time will tell...one thing's sure; this is the worst season in Bronco history when you take everything together...the coaching blunders, the record, the blowouts, the firing, the QB situation...the division among the fans...this is just icing on the cake. I can't believe two weeks ago we were excited about this guy as a draft day steal and even this little bit of pleasure is stolen away now.

Bowlen must have made a deal with the devil for those Lombardis and he's paying the debt ahead of time.

In a class 3 and 4 rape charge it is a given there are no bruises, if there was any shred of evidence of physical force being used you can bet your ass they would have slapped the big rape charge on him and not drug rape or nonconsent.

Given that she was either drunk or drugged we can safely assume they met in a bar or club, that makes eye witness testemony highly unreliable given that the witnesses would also have been in said bar or club.

Unless someone used a camera phone to film the entire time Cox and the victim were in contact that evidence is circumstantial at best.

DNA evidence would just prove sexual contact, trust me on this one, you also leave DNA evidence when you have good old fashioned consentual sex.

There are really only 2 pieces of evidence thay can lead to conviction in this case, 1 if they can prove Cox or someone on behalf of Cox drugged her or that he knew someone drugged her (the drug) and 2 clear security photos showing conclusively that Cox was sober enough and she was drunk enough that a class 4 case can be made.

If this goes to court it will come to wether or not the defense can show that Cox was just as wasted as she was or that she was acting in a manner that would lead Cox to believe that she would consent before she got hammered or didn't act hammered in which case he could not know she was unable to consent.

Being that they haven't been to court and have not even had preliminary hearings yet, the case is strong enough that the prosecutor believes he can get his name on TV. If the case was strong it would have been filed earlier, there is really not much investigating in a case like this, and until we see them go to court we have no way of knowing if the DA is hoping for anything other than a plea.

[TailgateNut]

There's a difference between being skeptical and garcia's BULLSHOOT SPECULATION that the woman is looking for a payday. That's mysoginist, and hardly gacia's first visit into that realm
Ps and it sucks. If tj is gonna play with THIS BEING A FAMILY PLACE WITH MODERATION, garcia needs to be shut the **** down


His hatred and discriminatory attitude toward women isn;t a secret.

[broncogary]

There's a difference between being skeptical and garcia's BULLSHOOT SPECULATION that the woman is looking for a payday. That's mysoginist, and hardly gacia's first visit into that realm

Ps and it sucks. If tj is gonna play with THIS BEING A FAMILY PLACE WITH MODERATION, garcia needs to be shut the **** down

Who made you the woman-hating judge?

[vancejohnson82]

Who made you the woman-hating judge?

Clarence Thomas?

Too soon?

[broncogary]

Clarence Thomas?

Too soon?

No, Clarence would have never named him. Ha!

[Hercules Rockefeller]

In a class 3 and 4 rape charge it is a given there are no bruises, if there was any shred of evidence of physical force being used you can bet your ass they would have slapped the big rape charge on him and not drug rape or nonconsent.

Given that she was either drunk or drugged we can safely assume they met in a bar or club, that makes eye witness testemony highly unreliable given that the witnesses would also have been in said bar or club.

Unless someone used a camera phone to film the entire time Cox and the victim were in contact that evidence is circumstantial at best.

DNA evidence would just prove sexual contact, trust me on this one, you also leave DNA evidence when you have good old fashioned consentual sex.

There are really only 2 pieces of evidence thay can lead to conviction in this case, 1 if they can prove Cox or someone on behalf of Cox drugged her or that he knew someone drugged her (the drug) and 2 clear security photos showing conclusively that Cox was sober enough and she was drunk enough that a class 4 case can be made.

If this goes to court it will come to wether or not the defense can show that Cox was just as wasted as she was or that she was acting in a manner that would lead Cox to believe that she would consent before she got hammered or didn't act hammered in which case he could not know she was unable to consent.

Being that they haven't been to court and have not even had preliminary hearings yet, the case is strong enough that the prosecutor believes he can get his name on TV. If the case was strong it would have been filed earlier, there is really not much investigating in a case like this, and until we see them go to court we have no way of knowing if the DA is hoping for anything other than a plea.

Dude, just stop.

You'd need a camera phone on Cox all the time? People who go to bars are unreliable because they're in a bar? You realize that most bartenders and bouncers aren't hammered while on the job? 2 security photos to prove Cox's sobriety? The rampant speculation in this post is amazing.

This case went to a grand jury, which is why it wasn't direct filed like most cases are and took about 5 weeks. Also, since this case deals with an apparent drugged victim, it actually does take time for things like blood tests to come back to see if she was in fact drugged. Just about everyone who lives on the Front Range has a general idea who Carol Chambers is, her office is in the paper quite frequently. Anyone who thinks this is some sort of ploy to get her name in the paper isn't local and should actually stop opining on what they think the motivation is for charging Perrish.

[cutthemdown]

There should be a law written making it a crime to knowingly, falsely cry rape. I'm not sure if it should be a felony, but it should be there.

You don't think that is a crime? It's always a crime to make a false police report.

[Mile High Shack]

what it boils down to is, innocent until proven guilty in a court of law...so I'm sure we'll see

if he's guilty, he needs to fry, if he isn't then that girl needs to fry

[DarkHorse]

for all we know she went to police 2 weeks ago

From the Denver Post:

Cox, 23, was arrested last week after police received a sexual assault complaint Oct. 28

[vancejohnson82]

You don't think that is a crime? It's always a crime to make a false police report.

yea, but its a slap on the wrist....

Duke case a few years ago...kid were kicked out of school, lost their scholarships, embarrassed and had their reputations ruined...had to go to new schools........and that was BEFORE trial

The hooker lied...i think she got fined

theres really nothing to lose by crying rape....

and i'm not PRO-RAPE!

[Garcia Bronco]

His hatred and discriminatory attitude toward women isn;t a secret.

Bull. I treat everyone the same unlike yourselves. Gender doesn't matter. I know it's hard for you older folks to get away from that world but us younger folk were raised differently. To put even a finer point on the subject; I was raised by a single mother making 16 grand a year. So take your labels and stick them where the sun doesn't shine.

[Garcia Bronco]

From the Denver Post:

Thanks...missed that.

[vancejohnson82]

Bull. I treat everyone the same unlike yourselves. Gender doesn't matter. I know it's hard for you older folks to get away from that world but us younger folk were raised differently. To put even a finer point on the subject; I was raised by a single mother making 16 grand a year. So take your labels and stick them where the sun doesn't shine.

I was raised by a bear and a panther in the jungle....

my views on this subject are unique as well

[footstepsfrom#27]

In a class 3 and 4 rape charge it is a given there are no bruises, if there was any shred of evidence of physical force being used you can bet your ass they would have slapped the big rape charge on him and not drug rape or nonconsent.

Given that she was either drunk or drugged we can safely assume they met in a bar or club, that makes eye witness testemony highly unreliable given that the witnesses would also have been in said bar or club.

Unless someone used a camera phone to film the entire time Cox and the victim were in contact that evidence is circumstantial at best.

DNA evidence would just prove sexual contact, trust me on this one, you also leave DNA evidence when you have good old fashioned consentual sex.

There are really only 2 pieces of evidence thay can lead to conviction in this case, 1 if they can prove Cox or someone on behalf of Cox drugged her or that he knew someone drugged her (the drug) and 2 clear security photos showing conclusively that Cox was sober enough and she was drunk enough that a class 4 case can be made.

If this goes to court it will come to wether or not the defense can show that Cox was just as wasted as she was or that she was acting in a manner that would lead Cox to believe that she would consent before she got hammered or didn't act hammered in which case he could not know she was unable to consent.

Being that they haven't been to court and have not even had preliminary hearings yet, the case is strong enough that the prosecutor believes he can get his name on TV. If the case was strong it would have been filed earlier, there is really not much investigating in a case like this, and until we see them go to court we have no way of knowing if the DA is hoping for anything other than a plea.
I'm forwarding your case analylsis to the DA's office up there so they can summarily dismiss charges and the prosecutor can resign forthwith with a full confession to his lust for television face time, offering a full apology, etc...

So much easier than a jury... ;D

[footstepsfrom#27]

Bull. I treat everyone the same unlike yourselves. Gender doesn't matter. I know it's hard for you older folks to get away from that world but us younger folk were raised differently. To put even a finer point on the subject; I was raised by a single mother making 16 grand a year. So take your labels and stick them where the sun doesn't shine.
The fact that you were raised by a single mother on low income wages hardly exempts you from an attitude like he's suggesting. If there's one demographic where mysogyny seems most prevalent it's probably in low income urban neighborhoods where young black men have grown up on a steady diet of this stuff from peers and societal/cultural pressures that portray unbridaled testosterone as indicative of manhood. I'm not suggesting your influence has tracked on a similar course since I don't know, but presenting your upbringing as a firewall to that attitude hardly holds water given what I just described.

[Garcia Bronco]

The fact that you were raised by a single mother on low income wages hardly exempts you from an attitude like he's suggesting. If there's one demographic where mysogyny seems most prevalent it's probably in low income urban neighborhoods where young black men have grown up on a steady diet of this stuff from peers and societal/cultural pressures that portray unbridaled testosterone as indicative of manhood. I'm not suggesting your influence has tracked on a similar course since I don't know, but presenting your upbringing as a firewall to that attitude hardly holds water given what I just described.

i didn't read past your first sentence. yeah it does...unless you are suggesting i hate (hate might be the wrong word, but you get my point) my mother or didn't understand that she was at times held back professionally and personally because of her gender.

further this isn't a case between a gender and perrish cox. its between and un-named woman and Cox.

[bronco610]

What if both people equally drunk?

In texas it is considered that penatration is rape and that a woman can not rape a man unwillingly. The onus still falls on the man.

[Popps]

I picture this thread ending productively.

[driver]

I picture this thread ending productively.

LOLLOLLOL Isn't possible.LOLLOLLOL

[footstepsfrom#27]

i didn't read past your first sentence.
Then I won't respond beyond that since you obviously can't intelligently comment on something you didn't read; here you go:

No it doesn't.

[Brewer]

Dude, just stop.

Also, since this case deals with an apparent drugged victim, it actually does take time for things like blood tests to come back to see if she was in fact drugged.

I have 13 years' experience working in a medical laboratory doing extensive drug testing, and I can tell you for a FACT that it takes less than 3 hours to tell you everything you want to know about street drugs in a urine or blood sample.

Your argument is weak, has no merit, and frankly we're all a little dumber for having read it. Hilarious!

[TailgateNut]

Bull. I treat everyone the same unlike yourselves. Gender doesn't matter. I know it's hard for you older folks to get away from that world but us younger folk were raised differently. To put even a finer point on the subject; I was raised by a single mother making 16 grand a year. So take your labels and stick them where the sun doesn't shine.


No you don't, and many here have seen your anti-female posts. I don't know what happened in your past or who screwed you over, but you can't hide it, no matter how hard you try.

[Garcia Bronco]

No you don't, and many here have seen your anti-female posts. I don't know what happened in your past or who screwed you over, but you can't hide it, no matter how hard you try.

okay... prove it. show us.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

I have 13 years' experience working in a medical laboratory doing extensive drug testing, and I can tell you for a FACT that it takes less than 3 hours to tell you everything you want to know about street drugs in a urine or blood sample.

Your argument is weak, has no merit, and frankly we're all a little dumber for having read it. Hilarious!

Wow, sweet man, thanks for telling us about testing in a vacuum with a single batch.

While we're on the job thing, I'm a DA in Colorado. It can take months for DNA testing to get done and a week or two for bloodwork. Can you guess why? Because I'm not the only one making request. Other DA offices and police agencies are asking for the same stuff to be done on their cases.

But thanks for jumping in.

[TheReverend]

Wow, sweet man, thanks for telling us about testing in a vacuum with a single batch.

While we're on the job thing, I'm a DA in Colorado. It can take months for DNA testing to get done and a week or two for bloodwork. Can you guess why? Because I'm not the only one making request. Other DA offices and police agencies are asking for the same stuff to be done on their cases.

But thanks for jumping in.

Is that really what you do, Herc?

[Beantown Bronco]

From the denverpost "breaking news":

An alleged sexual assault that led to charges against Denver Bronco Perrish Cox happened on Labor Day, Sept. 6, then was reported to police almost eight weeks later.

Interesting.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Is that really what you do, Herc?

Yes

[~Crash~]

From the denverpost "breaking news":

An alleged sexual assault that led to charges against Denver Bronco Perrish Cox happened on Labor Day, Sept. 6, then was reported to police almost eight weeks later.

Interesting.

gold digger

[RaiderH8r]

You don't think that is a crime? It's always a crime to make a false police report.

The Duke Lacrosse team begs to differ.

[gyldenlove]

Dude, just stop.

You'd need a camera phone on Cox all the time? People who go to bars are unreliable because they're in a bar? You realize that most bartenders and bouncers aren't hammered while on the job? 2 security photos to prove Cox's sobriety? The rampant speculation in this post is amazing.

This case went to a grand jury, which is why it wasn't direct filed like most cases are and took about 5 weeks. Also, since this case deals with an apparent drugged victim, it actually does take time for things like blood tests to come back to see if she was in fact drugged. Just about everyone who lives on the Front Range has a general idea who Carol Chambers is, her office is in the paper quite frequently. Anyone who thinks this is some sort of ploy to get her name in the paper isn't local and should actually stop opining on what they think the motivation is for charging Perrish.

How is a 2 minutes recording going to prove that he knew she was incapable of consent, much less that he was the one responsible for getting her in that state? Someone shooting a video with a cell phone camera will almost certainly prove nothing else than that the 2 talked to each other.

People who are at bars and/or night clubs tend to be drunk, drunk people make for horrendous witnesses. Sure a bouncer or bartender could see the 2 together, but unless said staff member saw something very incriminating, they are not going to be able to contribute much, if they made such great witnesses a lot more of these cases would be prosecuted successfully.

Putting a case to a grand jury means the DA is not certain that there is enough evidence for trial, which supports my speculation that there are no bruises, no evidence of or witnesses who saw Perrish drug the victim, and no reliable witnesses who saw her definitively say no.

[TheReverend]

Yes

Honorable line of work, good on ya, man.

[Ray Finkle]

Yes

impressive....most impressive....

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Gracias