Jim Fassel HC Rumor

[Pony Boy]

Does anyone have ESPN insider, I see there is a rumor about Jim Fassel as possible Broncos HC. I know he has strong ties with Elway? I'm sure Bowlen could get him on the cheap... Elway could be putting a bug in his ear. Anyone heard anything on the light rail today?

[Man-Goblin]

Are you sure he can get out of his UFL gig?

[The MVPlaya]

If this was a real or serious rumor, do you really think ESPN insider is the only place that would have it?

Anything on ESPN insider is pretty much guaranteed not to hapen.

[Smiling Assassin27]

If this was a real or serious rumor, do you really think ESPN insider is the only place that would have it?

Anything on ESPN insider is pretty much guaranteed not to hapen.


Somebody bookmark this post for future reference. :rofl:

[jhns]

If you give a link I can tell you what it says. I don't feel like navigating to that page on my phone.

[Ray Finkle]

If this was a real or serious rumor, do you really think ESPN insider is the only place that would have it?

Anything on ESPN insider is pretty much guaranteed not to hapen.

true but I am scanning Wiki for the latest breaking news...

[Pony Boy]

If this was a real or serious rumor, do you really think ESPN insider is the only place that would have it?

Anything on ESPN insider is pretty much guaranteed not to hapen.

Hey, we are all grasping for any kind of information and the only thing that makes me wonder is the Elway connection.

[sirhcyennek81]

I must have stumbled upon a vortex of time and emerged in 1992...


:Broncos:

[BroncosSR]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/12/14/fassel-mentioned-as-possible-candidate-for-broncos-job/

[rbackfactory80]

It really does make sense and I am on board. I might be the only one...

[2KBack]

It really does make sense and I am on board. I might be the only one...

Actually I rather like Fassel. Still, it all depends on the power he has.

[rbackfactory80]

Actually I rather like Fassel. Still, it all depends on the power he has.

Don't worry, we will be flamed by several usual suspects in 3 2 1

[GoHAM]

I'd be okay with Fassel.

[snowspot66]

Why would some of you be alright with Fassel? It's a rather uninspiring name at first glance.

[2KBack]

Don't worry, we will be flamed by several usual suspects in 3 2 1

http://top-racinghelmet.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/fire-suit.jpg

I'm good

[Swedish Extrovert]

He took the Giants to the Super Bowl.

I wanted him to be OC after Kubes left.

[Rohirrim]

I think if we just slap some new tread on these puppies, they'll get you through another winter...

[rbackfactory80]

Why would some of you be alright with Fassel? It's a rather uninspiring name at first glance.

Nice history with QB's, even helped Collins play at a pretty high level
Would really be great for Tebow's development
Recent success in Arena league
Had success with Giants taking them to Superbowl
Denver Ties

I think he love for the game is obvious and he is due for another shot.

[BigPlayShay]

I have put Fassel's name out there on threads before. I think he is a good choice for a few reasons:

* Success developing QBs - Elway had his best statistical year under Fassel
* Success in NYC, a tough market
* Success in the UFL (back to back titles) with limited resources
* Hunger to be an NFL head coach again, and would come at a reasonable price

[2KBack]

Why would some of you be alright with Fassel? It's a rather uninspiring name at first glance.

Well, he covers a lot of bases really.

He is very good with Quarterbacks, working with Phil Simms, Elway, and resurrecting Kerry Collins. So he would be good for Tebow.

He has been pretty successful even if inconsistent as a HC.

Not only does he have Bronco ties, which many will like, but he specifically has ties to Wade Phillips (who I would like to see as DC).

He is an experienced HC who has seen both bad seasons and Superbowl seasons (even if he didn't win), but I highly doubt he will come in and want to have total control.

[DomCasual]

The UFL Championship and MVP Trophy - the latter of which seems to have been placed on a 2X4.

http://uflaccess.com/wp-content/gallery/uflchampionship2009/champandmvp.jpg

[Crushaholic]

I think if we just slap some new tread on these puppies, they'll get you through another winter...

Unlike the Shanahan/Kubiak scenarios, it's not really a step back. I think, with his reputation as a successful NFL coach, he could really do something good with the current talent, and bring in new talent...

[snowspot66]

That trophy is depressing.

[HAT]

Wouldn't be the worst idea ever.....But like somebody said, uninspiring.

[HAT]

That's a 2 x 6....Not a 2 x 4 :thumbs:

[ColoradoDarin]

It's better than Kubiak, I'd be okay with it given his success in NY and with QBs.

He was OC when Wade was HC, right? So if we brought Fassel in as HC and Wade as DC, wouldn't that be something?? Anything like that ever happen in the NFL before?

Seriously, I could get behind Fassel running the O and Wade running the D.

[Swedish Extrovert]

Gruden at HC, Fassel at OC... I want Gruden.

[Rohirrim]

Unlike the Shanahan/Kubiak scenarios, it's not really a step back. I think , with his reputation as a successful NFL coach, he could really do something good with the current talent, and bring in new talent...

There's a reason he was fired. His teams had a habit of collapsing in big games, like the Giants collapse against the Niners in the playoffs. Instead of digging up old coaches, I wish we would bring in somebody who would bring some excitement. The mistake with Josh was that he was given too much power too soon. That doesn't mean we should cross everybody who hasn't yet been a HC off the list. That would be an illogical reaction. That would be like saying - Ryan Leaf came from the Pac 10, therefore all Pac 10 QBs are busts.

Look what Rivera has done in Sandy Eggo. I think he's poised to be a HC in the NFL. Harbaugh would be my next choice. But I still say, get a hard-nosed, professional, experienced GM first.

[vancejohnson82]

not that it means ANYTHING at all but I went to high school with Fassel's son....

who lives in Denver

[2KBack]

There's a reason he was fired. His teams had a habit of collapsing in big games, like the Giants collapse against the Niners in the playoffs. Instead of digging up old coaches, I wish we would bring in somebody who would bring some excitement. The mistake with Josh was that he was given too much power too soon. That doesn't mean we should cross everybody who hasn't yet been a HC off the list. That would be an illogical reaction. That would be like saying - Ryan Leaf came from the Pac 10, therefore all Pac 10 QBs are busts.

Look what Rivera has done in Sandy Eggo. I think he's poised to be a HC in the NFL. Harbaugh would be my next choice. But I still say, get a hard-nosed, professional, experienced GM first.

I'm leaning towards the Rivera Bandwagon, but I like the Idea of Fassel over Kubiak. At least his team collapse in the post season or even the superbowl.

Be afraid of whatever bandwagaon I get on though. I pushed Raheem Morris after Shanny and that didn't happen.

[Old Dude]

Let me put it this way. I wouldn't be shocked if the next HC turned out to be Fassel.

[ColoradoDarin]

I'm leaning towards the Rivera Bandwagon, but I like the Idea of Fassel over Kubiak. At least his team collapse in the post season or even the superbowl.

Be afraid of whatever bandwagaon I get on though. I pushed Raheem Morris after Shanny and that didn't happen.

Fassel's teams also really turned it on late in the season too. Yeah he had a few blown chances, and the refs screwed him with no PI call on the FG attempt that went awry in that 9ers/Giants game.

[edog24]

If we collapse in next year's postseason, I will let it slide.

[Rohirrim]

I would take Fassel over Kubiak, but we could do better. For one thing, I'm tired of offensive coaches. I want a ****ing defense!

[LittleFloyd]

Fassel is known for lofting up trial balloons. 2 years ago it was the Oakland Raiders job. I bet it's a rumor started by Fassel.

[HAT]

I'd rather have him as OC under Gruden/Frazier/Rivera.

HC: Gruden/Frazier/Rivera
OC: Fassel
DC: Wade

New blood at HC while keeping the retro-nerds happy.

[TonyR]

Look what Rivera has done in Sandy Eggo. I think he's poised to be a HC in the NFL.

Rivera makes too much sense. Successful, defensive minded, hurts a division rival...

In 1999, Rivera was named linebackers coach for the Philadelphia Eagles. During his tenure the Eagles advanced to the NFC Championship for three consecutive seasons. He is credited with developing linebacker Jeremiah Trotter into a two-time Pro Bowl performer.

On January 23, 2004, Rivera was named the Chicago Bears Defensive Coordinator, becoming the first Puerto Rican/ Mexican in the history of the NFL to hold such a position. In 2005, the Chicago Bears defense was rated second-best in the NFL. The Bears qualified for the NFC playoffs losing in the 2nd Round to the Carolina Panthers 29-21. The 2005 season output of the Chicago Bears earned him consideration for Head Coach assignments from several NFL teams.

In 2006, the Bears’ defensive efforts failed to match the success of their 2005 season. Nevertheless, the team was still a notable presence in league, finishing with the league’s third ranked and conference’s top-ranked points allowed category. The defense’s success earned Rivera recognition among franchises looking for new head coaches. The Arizona Cardinals and Pittsburgh Steelers interviewed him in January 2007. He was a candidate for the vacant Dallas Cowboys head coaching position, a job that ultimately went to San Diego Chargers defensive coordinator Wade Phillips. Rivera was named as a potential candidate to replace the fired Marty Schottenheimer in San Diego, but the job was filled by Norv Turner, the brother of fellow offensive coordinator, Ron Turner, Rivera's offensive counterpart in Chicago. After the announcement, ESPN reported that the Bears were considering letting Rivera go. This came after several other teams interviewed him, and the negotiations between his representatives and the Bears were making little progress. On February 19, 2007, it was announced that Ron Rivera's contract with the Bears would not be renewed.

The San Diego Chargers hired Rivera as team's inside linebackers coach after he left the Bears. On October 28, 2008, Rivera was promoted to defensive coordinator with the Chargers after the team released former defensive coordinator Ted Cottrell.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Rivera

[Pony Boy]

Fassel is known for lofting up trial balloons. 2 years ago it was the Oakland Raiders job. I bet it's a rumor started by Fassel.

Fassel's name was brought up in Oakland because of his reputation for being great at developing OB's and they wanted him to work with Jamarcass Russell but I guess they decided it was too "big" of a job.....:~ohyah!:

[boltaneer]

Hey, leave Rivera alone!

Go after Fassel! :)

[Kaylore]

And now Jim Fassel is getting legs. Wow, Bronco fans love to live in the past. All their answers are from the past. The worst part is none of these coaches are even any good. They just were former Broncos and the fans would rather suck with someone they're familiar with than to take a chance on something new.

Jim Fassel has been rejected by every owner in the league as a coach. This is about as sad as the Sundquist suggestion. These guys can't get work from anyone - not even as assistants - and Bronco fans think they are the answer. The idiocy is as baffling as the pining for nostalgia is pathetic.

[DomCasual]

That's a 2 x 6....Not a 2 x 4 :thumbs:

Thanks for that, Tim the Tool Man! :)

[go_broncos]

Jim Fassel..:rofl:

We may as well as cut the current players and bring back the team that Won Super bowls..

[jhns]

The idiocy is as baffling as the pining for nostalgia is pathetic.

Yeah! Kaylore is a much better judge in coaches than all of you idiots. That is unless you bring up any of his posts about McDaniels before the past couple months.

[listopencil]

If we collapse in next year's postseason, I will let it slide.

Lol, no ****.

[Rohirrim]

hey, leave rivera alone!

Go after fassel! :)

bwahahahaha!

[listopencil]

I'd rather have him as OC under Gruden/Frazier/Rivera.

HC: Gruden/Frazier/Rivera
OC: Fassel
DC: Wade

New blood at HC while keeping the retro-nerds happy.


I honestly couldn't give a **** less if the new coaching staff has Bronco ties. I do want guys in here with experience. This team has broken down into a steaming pile of crap. It's going to be a hard job fixing it and I doubt that a young, inexperienced guy can handle that job.

[BigPlayShay]

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/oct/25/sports/la-sp-1026-simers-20101026

Odds are Jim Fassel is never coaching in the NFL again
After reaching the Super Bowl with the New York Giants, he is now in charge of the Las Vegas Locomotives of the United Football League, and with apparently little chance of returning to the big time.

From Las Vegas — So I'm reading the newspaper here, because what else is there to do in this city, when I find my curiosity piqued.

You probably recall the name too: Jim Fassel.

He was big time in Southern California as a quarterback at Anaheim High, then Fullerton College, on to USC and Long Beach State.

He recruited John Elway out of high school, coaching him at Stanford and later with the Broncos. A line began to form, NFL teams wanting his offensive input as coordinator, the Redskins, Broncos, Chiefs, Raiders, Rams talking to him about becoming a head coach.

Later he would rise to the very top of his profession as 1997 NFL coach of the year, and in 2000 made the outrageous guarantee his down-and-out team would be in the playoffs and became a household name when his Giants did go on to play in Super Bowl XXXV.

"You go through something like that and you feel as if you have a 100-mph wind behind you," Fassel says. "The Super Bowl was awesome. I've got Gen. [Norman] Schwarzkopf standing right next to me before the game and telling me good luck."

I'm saying the same thing to the cab driver, the first one giving up, the second with the GPS finally successful in locating Fassel here.

The best in his business at one time, Fassel is now coach of the Las Vegas Locomotives. See what happens when you lose a Super Bowl, 34-7?

"We won the championship here last year," Fassel says, which makes him the only one in the room who knows that.

"It doesn't matter," he says. "I don't care if there's no one in the stands, we were champions. We won it all and it was fun."

Fassel is general manager, coach and janitor in something called the United Football League. "I empty my own trash now and I'm happy to do it," he says, which goes to show you what a perfect fit he is for the UFL.

"Feel sorry for me? — no way," Fassel says. "That's exactly what I told my team in our first meeting. Check your resume at the door. Don't feel sorry for yourself because you're not in the NFL. I can build my own case, and I don't feel sorry for myself. This is our focus right now."

Nice speech. It apparently worked on his football players, but how do you go from New York, where if you can make it there you should never end up here?

It took two hours, questions asked over and over, and the answer remains somewhat unclear.

Blessed with the gift of gab and well-trained in coach-speak, Fassel wants everyone to believe no one can have as much fun coaching as this, so long as one's ego and bank account aren't all that important.

It's a tough sell, though, because Fassel also says things like, "I turned one organization around, got them to the Super Bowl and I know I could do it again."

To put his mind at ease, I tell him he's got no shot to be a head coach again in the NFL, and he says, "I don't believe that."

He remains undeterred when asked whether he had a single call from the NFL a year ago after winning the UFL title, and he has to say, "No."

He's happy where he is, but how often does he dream about another NFL opportunity?

"Sure, it goes through my mind at times because I know I should be there," he admits, "but in order to keep my sanity, I'm not going to let it grind my rear end and get high blood pressure. I have a life, and I'm enjoying it."

He's 61, hasn't worked as a coach in the NFL since being fired as Baltimore's offensive coordinator during the 2006 season, but remains so gung-ho he was in the Locomotives' offices at 4:30 Sunday morning.

"Why?" he repeats, "because I want to win. I want to win badly."

He won more games on the grand stage than he lost in the seven years he was in charge of the Giants, so what's wrong with him?

He can explain why things went wrong in Baltimore, and there were understandable reasons, he says, why he took Sean Payton's play-calling duties away when they were together in New York. Who knew Payton would go on to coach a Super Bowl champion?

He dismisses the rumors he's too demanding and doesn't always work well with others as malicious gossip, and calls reports he wrote a letter begging Al Davis to hire him as head coach "totally inaccurate."

His son is already working as an assistant coach for the Raiders, but is Fassel so desperate, as someone must be to coach the Raiders or Clippers, to take such a job? It might be his only chance to return to the NFL as a head coach.

"I'm not going there," he says, unclear whether he's talking about the question or Oakland.

"How about the Clippers' job?" I suggest. "It will be open again in two or three years."

Hard to say if the UFL will last so long.

"If you told me this league was going to make it, I would never leave," Fassel says, his first-place Locos taking on the Omaha Nighthawks next.

"No matter what happens, I've had a great go of it," he says. "I raised five wonderful kids and had a good time coaching. When I first started, my dream was to be head coach of Anaheim High School."

When it comes to dreams left unfulfilled, he seems to do just fine.

[Chris]

http://oscar.allgamer.com/files/2009/09/boggle2.jpg

[Pony Boy]

I would love to see Fassel work with Tebow and I think we could be seeing Elway's first executive decision with the organization. Maybe not bringing in Fassel as HC but as OC or as QB coach to work with Tebow. Elway's most productive year was with Fassel as OC.

[Rohirrim]

Sometimes, life is like a pawn shop. You go in thinking grandpa's watch will pay the rent and the guy in the window says, "I'll give ya five bucks."

[Pony Boy]

Sometimes, life is like a pawn shop. You go in thinking grandpa's watch will pay the rent and the guy in the window says, "I'll give ya five bucks."

Yep and sometimes you get a brand new McD watch with your happy meal and the darn thing doesn't last a season ;D

[meangene]

Rivera makes too much sense. Successful, defensive minded, hurts a division rival...

In 1999, Rivera was named linebackers coach for the Philadelphia Eagles. During his tenure the Eagles advanced to the NFC Championship for three consecutive seasons. He is credited with developing linebacker Jeremiah Trotter into a two-time Pro Bowl performer.

On January 23, 2004, Rivera was named the Chicago Bears Defensive Coordinator, becoming the first Puerto Rican/ Mexican in the history of the NFL to hold such a position. In 2005, the Chicago Bears defense was rated second-best in the NFL. The Bears qualified for the NFC playoffs losing in the 2nd Round to the Carolina Panthers 29-21. The 2005 season output of the Chicago Bears earned him consideration for Head Coach assignments from several NFL teams.

In 2006, the Bears’ defensive efforts failed to match the success of their 2005 season. Nevertheless, the team was still a notable presence in league, finishing with the league’s third ranked and conference’s top-ranked points allowed category. The defense’s success earned Rivera recognition among franchises looking for new head coaches. The Arizona Cardinals and Pittsburgh Steelers interviewed him in January 2007. He was a candidate for the vacant Dallas Cowboys head coaching position, a job that ultimately went to San Diego Chargers defensive coordinator Wade Phillips. Rivera was named as a potential candidate to replace the fired Marty Schottenheimer in San Diego, but the job was filled by Norv Turner, the brother of fellow offensive coordinator, Ron Turner, Rivera's offensive counterpart in Chicago. After the announcement, ESPN reported that the Bears were considering letting Rivera go. This came after several other teams interviewed him, and the negotiations between his representatives and the Bears were making little progress. On February 19, 2007, it was announced that Ron Rivera's contract with the Bears would not be renewed.

The San Diego Chargers hired Rivera as team's inside linebackers coach after he left the Bears. On October 28, 2008, Rivera was promoted to defensive coordinator with the Chargers after the team released former defensive coordinator Ted Cottrell.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Rivera

So far, this is one of the few names floated that I would be happy with. Pass on Kubiak, Fassel, etc. unless our goal is to get back to mediocrity. I would love Gruden but gotta think he would want too much control for Bowlen's taste. Geez, what a cluster **** this organization has become. Xanders, Ellis, Elway... and we need to bring in a real GM to handle personnel. Some of these folks need to go. I would be ok with Harbaugh if he were teamed with an experienced GM. Thus far, every rumor is more and more depressing.

[serious hops]

So, Sundquist as GM and Fassel as head coach. I bet we can get Bob Slowick as DC. He's perfect-- has previous ties to Denver, and he'll work cheap.

[atomicbloke]

Can someone give me some good reasons why Gruden is talked about more positively compared to Jim Fassel?

Both retreads. What makes Gruden so awesome?

Because he praised Tebow from the commentary booth and took Dungy's team to the Super Bowl and then destroyed it?

At least Jim Fassel turned around a franchise himself.

[atomicbloke]

And frankly, I would prefer Gregg Williams over Ron Rivera any day.

[serious hops]

Can someone give me some good reasons why Gruden is talked about more positively compared to Jim Fassel?

Both retreads. What makes Gruden so awesome?

Because he praised Tebow from the commentary booth and took Dungy's team to the Super Bowl and then destroyed it?

At least Jim Fassel turned around a franchise himself.

Why does everybody act like Tampa was Gruden's only job? He took the Fade from 4-12 to 12-4 in three years.

[Tombstone RJ]

If the Broncos bring in Fassel, would Broncos fans on the OMane throw all their chips in with him?

[bowtown]

If the Broncos bring in Fassel, would Broncos fans on the OMane throw all their chips in with him?

Not interested in Fossil.

[OABB]

No hyperbole, but if Fassel is hired as hc, I will literally, and I mean literally, kill myself.

literally.

That guy is a soft, He makes Wade Phillips look like general Patton.

[Tombstone RJ]

Not interested in Fossil.

I'd take Fassel over a lot of other possible candidates including Kubiak. I'd prefer Nolan to be HC, and I would not mind at all if Nolan brought Fassel in as the OC. Fassel has a great attitude, and as others have mentioned, he wants back in desparately and I think that might put him at the top of Bowlen's HC list.

The question still remains, if Fassel is hired, are you pushing your chips all in or not? Answer the question!

[OABB]

I'd take Fassel over a lot of other possible candidates including Kubiak. I'd prefer Nolan to be HC, and I would not mind at all if Nolan brought Fassel in as the OC. Fassel has a great attitude, and as others have mentioned, he wants back in desparately and I think that might put him at the top of Bowlen's HC list.

The question still remains, if Fassel is hired, are you pushing your chips all in or not? Answer the question!

yes. chips are all in. I will commit suicide here on the Mane.

[rbackfactory80]

yes. chips are all in. I will commit suicide here on the Mane.

What a drama queen. Gain some perspective.:oyvey:

[BigPlayShay]

That guy is a soft, He makes Wade Phillips look like general Patton.

Opinions aside on Fassel's coaching abilities, you can't be serious in saying his is softer than Wade Phillips. The dude told the New York media that he guaranteed his team would make the playoffs, and then they made it to the Super Bowl. There is not a chance in hell that Wade would utter anything like that.

Did you read the article that I posted. Fassel has a ton of confidence and belief in himself. He comes off as even brash a bit. Whether you think that is misguided or not, he is nothing like Wade Phillips. Nothing.

[Dedhed]

I'd rather have him as OC under Gruden/Frazier/Rivera.

HC: Gruden/Frazier/Rivera
OC: Fassel
DC: Wade

New blood at HC while keeping the retro-nerds happy.

I'd be down with that idea. I'm not a fan of Phillips or Fassel as the head guy, but would love to see them in Denver as Coordinators. Although, I'm not on the Frazier/Rivera bandwagon. They remind me of Fassel and Wade; guys who are great in a coordinator role, but don't have the persona to succeed as HCs.


With those two in place we could go with a HC with upside like Harbough, who I think would be a great fit, or go with a guy like Gruden.

[UberBroncoMan]

Hell to the no.

[OABB]

What a drama queen. Gain some perspective.:oyvey:

I'm a mellow guy, and I understand this is just a game. Even now at 3-10 i'm not too disheartened. I believe that all things come around and this is just our time to suck. I don't ever get too upset about anything.

However, if Jim Fassel becomes our coach, I will take out a .45 and shoot out the back of my head in front of Bowlen's office.

[worm]

And frankly, I would prefer Gregg Williams over Ron Rivera any day.

This was the name I have thinking about since Josh was canned.

He will get another chance in 2011 and I think he is a prime candidate to do it better in his second go-around.

Not sure why Gregg doesn't get as much play here as Rivera.

[Taco John]

This Fassell "rumor" is nothing but Klis throwing a "don't be suprised if" guess out there and PFT running with it.

[OABB]

This Fassell "rumor" is nothing but Klis throwing a "don't be suprised if" guess out there and PFT running with it.

Oh thank god....

[BigPlayShay]

This Fassell "rumor" is nothing but Klis throwing a "don't be suprised if" guess out there and PFT running with it.

As is with every single candidate that has been mentioned...

[Taco John]

As is with every single candidate that has been mentioned...

I'm not sure if this is exactly true. I have heard that Kubiak is truly a name at the top of the list should he become available.

[bowtown]

Taco hoping that if he just types it enough times it will actually come true.

[ColoradoDarin]

I'm not sure if this is exactly true. I have heard that Kubiak is truly a name at the top of the list should he become available.

Did you just admit that the Broncos are tampering? No, it's just another throw it at the wall rumor.

[Bronco Yoda]

.. The mistake with Josh was that he was given too much power too soon.

Then he went all McCaligula on our asses.

[Rohirrim]

Then he went all McCaligula on our asses.

That means McClaudius is up next. :oyvey:

[Bronco Yoda]

Better that than McNero. Then again Rome is already burning...

[colonelbeef]

**** no.

Jesus christ, what a disaster that would be.

[Hamrob]

I'd be o.k. with Fassel. I think we could do alot worse. The HC is only one part of the equation:

1. GM
2. HC
3. Coaching Staff
4. Players need to be upgraded
5. We need to wipe the Patriot taste away from our mouths and bring back Denver Broncos football!

[tsiguy96]

] bring back Denver Broncos football!

you mean shanahan football?

[Ratboy]

-_-

This is depressing.

[HAT]

I'd be o.k. with Fassel. I think we could do alot worse. The HC is only one part of the equation:

1. GM
2. HC
3. Coaching Staff
4. Players need to be upgraded
5. We need to wipe the Patriot taste away from our mouths and bring back Denver Broncos football!

Yeah...Those guys suck!

[Likwid Kerruj]

Anything that doesn't smell like a New England Patriot is fine with me.

[bowtown]

Anything that doesn't smell like a New England Patriot is fine with me.

Read: "I don't like the stench of winning."

[BigPlayShay]

http://www.milehighsports.com/article.asp?id=2057368

DECEMBER 15, 2010

THE RIGHT MAN FOR THE JOB
Jim Fassel would be a great choice to be the next head coach of the Broncos
By Eric Goodman

The Broncos are in no rush to rebuild the house Josh McDaniels burned to the ground. A quick fix is not an option. This franchise will methodically build an organization from the ground up starting with its foundation.

John Elway, like he was back in 1983, will be the first piece of this rebuilding process. He won’t run the show, but he’s willing to sweep away the ashes and help rebuild this once-proud franchise.

Elway will have input into the next major decision. The Broncos have already started to compile a list of candidates to become the team’s general manager. Once the hire is made after the first of the year, Pat Bowlen, Joe Ellis, Elway and the new GM will collaborate on the next man to lead the Broncos back from the abyss.

The new coach must have qualities that were sorely lacking over the last two seasons. He must be experienced, be well respected, own an impressive head coaching resumé, have the ability to work with others and bring stability to the franchise.

There is only one man who can check every box: Jim Fassel.

“He would fit a lot of criteria in my estimation that would be important,” said three-time Super Bowl winner Mark Schlereth.

Fassel is a long shot considering the names on the front of everyone’s brain.

Bill Cowher and Jon Gruden won’t work because each wants too much power and money. Jeff Fisher is still coaching the Tennessee Titans. He might leave, but he’s rowing in the same boat with Cowher and Gruden.

A source close to the Houston Texans told me yesterday that Gary Kubiak and owner Bob McNair have a close relationship and that Kubiak will likely keep his job in Houston unless the Texans lose the rest of their games to finish 5-11. Remember, the Texans still get to play the Broncos.

The Broncos interviewed Vikings interim head coach Leslie Frazier two years ago. He’s a defensive genius, but the Vikings will likely offer him the head coaching job after the season.

The Broncos also interviewed Cowboys interim head coach Jason Garrett two years ago. He’s done a nice job turning around the Cowboys since Jerry Jones fired Wade Phillips. Jones might want a big name head coach, but he will be reluctant to give up his power to Cowher, Gruden or Fisher. Garrett could be available because anything is possible with Jones.

Mike Nolan is a possibility, but he has no proven track record as a head coach.

There are a number of qualified assistant head coaches, but the Broncos need a guy with head coaching experience and the instant credibility to command a broken locker room.

So what about Fassel?

“He would be a very good candidate,” said Jon Gruden. “He has experience and a lot of success in the NFL.”

No one remembers Fassel’s success anymore. He was banished to the desert during the 2006 NFL season, after a disappointing two-and-a-half years as the Baltimore Ravens offensive coordinator. The offensive genius appeared to have lost it, as the Ravens were dreadful under his tenure.

“Fassel didn’t have much to work with in Baltimore,” explained four-time Super Bowl winner Bill Romanowski. “Kyle Boller was a bust.” Still, Fassel was fired and has never coached in the NFL again.

Fassel got his first and only head coaching job with the New York Giants in 1997. He took over a Dan Reeves team that finished with a 6-10 record. Picked by many to finish with the worst record in the NFC East that season, the Giants won the division. A couple year later, he led the Giants to a surprising appearance in the 2000 Super Bowl.

He was fired following the 2003 season, worked a short time in Baltimore and was exiled to a town better known for gambling than football. Fassel took over the Las Vegas Locomotives in 2009 during their inaugural season in the United Football League.

He’s been the head coach and general manager for both of the franchise’s seasons. The Locomotives have won both UFL titles.

Like most UFL players, Fassel wants back in the NFL. He wants another chance and would likely bring an experienced coaching staff to Denver. The Broncos desperately need help on defense and Fassel’s first call would probably go to the man who gave him the offensive coordinators job in Denver, Wade Phillips.

How’s that for an experienced tandem of coaches? The Broncos need to overhaul the coaching staff and an overall attitude that has permeated a losing atmosphere over the last two seasons. The 61-year-old Fassel would be a step in the right direction.

“This organization needs someone who can demand respect after the last regime,” added Schlereth. “Age should not be an issue and it might be desirable because of where the franchise sits.”

The man who could be sitting near the top of the new regime has close ties to Fassel. Fassel coached the young Elway at Stanford, and then coached the veteran Elway to his best statistical season in Denver.

Fassel may not get the job, but he should get a serious look. He fits many of the criteria. He has ties to the organization. He is seasoned and a winner. He has coached Phil Simms and Elway, while resurrecting Kerry Collins career.

Karl Mecklenburg played his final two seasons with Fassel on the coaching staff. He was never coached by Fassel, but he knows enough about the guy who would love nothing more than to return to Denver as the head coach. “I think he would be a really good choice.”

This is a solid endorsement from a Broncos Ring of Famer. The next step is to get an endorsement from the greatest player in franchise history.

[BroncoInferno]

Why does everybody act like Tampa was Gruden's only job? He took the Fade from 4-12 to 12-4 in three years.

Back in the 90s.

[footstepsfrom#27]

I must have stumbled upon a vortex of time and emerged in 1992...


:Broncos:
Welcome back.

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[BroncoInferno]

Kind of depressing to see Denver fans acting like Raiders fans, wanting to recapture the past. Yes, Fassel did OK in New York a decade ago. No one has offered him even a coordinators position since Baltimore fired him in 2006, and some of you want to bring him in as the freakin' head coach? I guess at least Fassel had some level of success as a HC--albeit years ago--unlike Kubiak.

[Boogerboots]

Jim Fassell??? I'd rather go with Jim Mora.

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At least he'd be better at explaining why we suck.

[BroncoInferno]

Welcome back.

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I was just about to say...first Kubiak, now Fassel...when is the inevitable Reeves speculation going to surface? Sad thing is, a lot of people here are stuck in a time vortex and would likely back it.

[Tombstone RJ]

http://www.milehighsports.com/article.asp?id=2057368

DECEMBER 15, 2010

THE RIGHT MAN FOR THE JOB
Jim Fassel would be a great choice to be the next head coach of the Broncos
By Eric Goodman

The Broncos are in no rush to rebuild the house Josh McDaniels burned to the ground. A quick fix is not an option. This franchise will methodically build an organization from the ground up starting with its foundation.

John Elway, like he was back in 1983, will be the first piece of this rebuilding process. He won’t run the show, but he’s willing to sweep away the ashes and help rebuild this once-proud franchise.

Elway will have input into the next major decision. The Broncos have already started to compile a list of candidates to become the team’s general manager. Once the hire is made after the first of the year, Pat Bowlen, Joe Ellis, Elway and the new GM will collaborate on the next man to lead the Broncos back from the abyss.

The new coach must have qualities that were sorely lacking over the last two seasons. He must be experienced, be well respected, own an impressive head coaching resumé, have the ability to work with others and bring stability to the franchise.

There is only one man who can check every box: Jim Fassel.

“He would fit a lot of criteria in my estimation that would be important,” said three-time Super Bowl winner Mark Schlereth.

Fassel is a long shot considering the names on the front of everyone’s brain.

Bill Cowher and Jon Gruden won’t work because each wants too much power and money. Jeff Fisher is still coaching the Tennessee Titans. He might leave, but he’s rowing in the same boat with Cowher and Gruden.

A source close to the Houston Texans told me yesterday that Gary Kubiak and owner Bob McNair have a close relationship and that Kubiak will likely keep his job in Houston unless the Texans lose the rest of their games to finish 5-11. Remember, the Texans still get to play the Broncos.

The Broncos interviewed Vikings interim head coach Leslie Frazier two years ago. He’s a defensive genius, but the Vikings will likely offer him the head coaching job after the season.

The Broncos also interviewed Cowboys interim head coach Jason Garrett two years ago. He’s done a nice job turning around the Cowboys since Jerry Jones fired Wade Phillips. Jones might want a big name head coach, but he will be reluctant to give up his power to Cowher, Gruden or Fisher. Garrett could be available because anything is possible with Jones.

Mike Nolan is a possibility, but he has no proven track record as a head coach.

There are a number of qualified assistant head coaches, but the Broncos need a guy with head coaching experience and the instant credibility to command a broken locker room.

So what about Fassel?

“He would be a very good candidate,” said Jon Gruden. “He has experience and a lot of success in the NFL.”

No one remembers Fassel’s success anymore. He was banished to the desert during the 2006 NFL season, after a disappointing two-and-a-half years as the Baltimore Ravens offensive coordinator. The offensive genius appeared to have lost it, as the Ravens were dreadful under his tenure.

“Fassel didn’t have much to work with in Baltimore,” explained four-time Super Bowl winner Bill Romanowski. “Kyle Boller was a bust.” Still, Fassel was fired and has never coached in the NFL again.

Fassel got his first and only head coaching job with the New York Giants in 1997. He took over a Dan Reeves team that finished with a 6-10 record. Picked by many to finish with the worst record in the NFC East that season, the Giants won the division. A couple year later, he led the Giants to a surprising appearance in the 2000 Super Bowl.

He was fired following the 2003 season, worked a short time in Baltimore and was exiled to a town better known for gambling than football. Fassel took over the Las Vegas Locomotives in 2009 during their inaugural season in the United Football League.

He’s been the head coach and general manager for both of the franchise’s seasons. The Locomotives have won both UFL titles.

Like most UFL players, Fassel wants back in the NFL. He wants another chance and would likely bring an experienced coaching staff to Denver. The Broncos desperately need help on defense and Fassel’s first call would probably go to the man who gave him the offensive coordinators job in Denver, Wade Phillips.

How’s that for an experienced tandem of coaches? The Broncos need to overhaul the coaching staff and an overall attitude that has permeated a losing atmosphere over the last two seasons. The 61-year-old Fassel would be a step in the right direction.

“This organization needs someone who can demand respect after the last regime,” added Schlereth. “Age should not be an issue and it might be desirable because of where the franchise sits.”

The man who could be sitting near the top of the new regime has close ties to Fassel. Fassel coached the young Elway at Stanford, and then coached the veteran Elway to his best statistical season in Denver.

Fassel may not get the job, but he should get a serious look. He fits many of the criteria. He has ties to the organization. He is seasoned and a winner. He has coached Phil Simms and Elway, while resurrecting Kerry Collins career.

Karl Mecklenburg played his final two seasons with Fassel on the coaching staff. He was never coached by Fassel, but he knows enough about the guy who would love nothing more than to return to Denver as the head coach. “I think he would be a really good choice.”

This is a solid endorsement from a Broncos Ring of Famer. The next step is to get an endorsement from the greatest player in franchise history.

I think either Fassel or Nolan make a lot of sense. The thing about Fassel is he wants back in badly and will probably be willing to make the HC minimum to come back to the Broncos...

[footstepsfrom#27]

Kind of depressing to see Denver fans acting like Raiders fans, wanting to recapture the past. Yes, Fassel did OK in New York a decade ago. No one has offered him even a coordinators position since Baltimore fired him in 2006, and some of you want to bring him in as the freakin' head coach? I guess at least Fassel had some level of success as a HC--albeit years ago--unlike Kubiak.
He's 61...no to this.

[Likwid Kerruj]

Read: "I don't like the stench of winning."

I think you meant to say stench of cheating and failed assistant coaches.

[footstepsfrom#27]

I started to say he might make a good GM since he's a respected football guy...but it looks like owning a Quiznos in NJ was his only shot at running a business. I'm sure he'd blow away the Ellis and Xanders two headed monster even so.

[Tombstone RJ]

the peeps who are saying that Fassel is a bad HC decision simply don't know what they are talking about:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/FassJi0.htm

He got one shot at being a HC and he did a very respectable job with the NYG, the toughest market in the NFL. Who was his QB? It was Kerry-hand-me-a-whisky-Collins. He received the NFL Coach of the Year award in 1997. He's 61 years old, which is NOT that old, he would not be a HC/GM and does not want to be a HC/GM. Add to that the fact that he desparately wants another chance in the NFL and I say he's as good a candidate as any.

I love all the idgits on this board who hated McD yet don't give him any credit for his ability to work in a dysfunctional organization full of prima-donnas and a phantom front office. Now many of these same peeps want to bring in Jimmy boy-Harbaugh instead of a guy who's proven he can win in the NFL.

I laugh at your idiocy...

[ColoradoDarin]

I started to say he might make a good GM since he's a respected football guy...but it looks like owning a Quiznos in NJ was his only shot at running a business. I'm sure he'd blow away the Ellis and Xanders two headed monster even so.

You're not swayed by his GM abilities in the UFL?

[bowtown]

I think you meant to say stench of cheating and failed assistant coaches.

And winning, all the while, winning. And they are going to win it all again this year.

[Drek]

5. We need to wipe the Patriot taste away from our mouths and bring back Denver Broncos football!

One of Bill Belichick's first legitimate NFL jobs was here in Denver. It is also where he first worked as a defensive assistant, under Red Miller if I recall.

Patriots football is an off-shoot of Broncos football, albeit from the Orange Crush days.

[BroncoInferno]

the peeps who are saying that Fassel is a bad HC decision simply don't know what they are talking about:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/FassJi0.htm

He got one shot at being a HC and he did a very respectable job with the NYG, the toughest market in the NFL. Who was his QB? It was Kerry-hand-me-a-whisky-Collins. He received the NFL Coach of the Year award in 1997. He's 61 years old, which is NOT that old, he would not be a HC/GM and does not want to be a HC/GM. Add to that the fact that he desparately wants another chance in the NFL and I say he's as good a candidate as any.

I love all the idgits on this board who hated McD yet don't give him any credit for his ability to work in a dysfunctional organization full of prima-donnas and a phantom front office. Now many of these same peeps want to bring in Jimmy boy-Harbaugh instead of a guy who's proven he can win in the NFL.

I laugh at your idiocy...

No one said he didn't do an admirable job in NY. Problem is, that was years ago. Why don't we just dig up Vince Lombardi's corpse and prop him up on the sideline, while we're at it? With Don Coryell as the OC and Buddy Ryan as the DC!! Yeah, that's the ticket!

[Tombstone RJ]

No one said he didn't do an admirable job in NY. Problem is, that was years ago. Why don't we just dig up Vince Lombardi's corpse and prop him up on the sideline, while we're at it? With Don Coryell as the OC and Buddy Ryan as the DC!! Yeah, that's the ticket!

So what? Are you saying that the game has passed him by? Prove it. Otherwise you are just throwing crap on a wall, hoping it will stick.

[footstepsfrom#27]

the peeps who are saying that Fassel is a bad HC decision simply don't know what they are talking about:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/FassJi0.htm

He got one shot at being a HC and he did a very respectable job with the NYG, the toughest market in the NFL. Who was his QB? It was Kerry-hand-me-a-whisky-Collins. He received the NFL Coach of the Year award in 1997. He's 61 years old, which is NOT that old, he would not be a HC/GM and does not want to be a HC/GM. Add to that the fact that he desparately wants another chance in the NFL and I say he's as good a candidate as any.

I love all the idgits on this board who hated McD yet don't give him any credit for his ability to work in a dysfunctional organization full of prima-donnas and a phantom front office. Now many of these same peeps want to bring in Jimmy boy-Harbaugh instead of a guy who's proven he can win in the NFL.
The problem is...it's a young man's game. At 61..that IS old...he'll be retiring by the time the team is built up again. Now as a GM...that might work. As for Harbaugh...28 wins and one memorable season in a limited 4 year resume coaching college football is NOT NFL worthy. I'm all for experience but if that's the only criteria let's resurect Gruden instead.

[Tombstone RJ]

The problem is...it's a young man's game. At 61..that IS old...he'll be retiring by the time the team is built up again. Now as a GM...that might work. As for Harbaugh...28 wins and one memorable season in a limited 4 year resume coaching college football is NOT NFL worthy. I'm all for experience but if that's the only criteria let's resurect Gruden instead.

How old was Vermiel when he came back? How old is Tom Coughlin? I'm not saying Fassel is the BEST candidate, I am saying he's a very, very good candidate and he should be at the top of the Broncos list.

[footstepsfrom#27]

You're not swayed by his GM abilities in the UFL?
I didin't even know he was a GM in the UFL till now. I guess it can't hurt him though...in any case, it's interesting he has the Elway connection so who knows...perhaps if Bowlen is talking to him that's the reason?

[footstepsfrom#27]

How old was Vermiel when he came back? How old is Tom Coughlin? I'm not saying Fassel is the BEST candidate, I am saying he's a very, very good candidate and he should be at the top of the Broncos list.
I would put my best candidate at the top, but that's just me. In any case, who cares how old Vermiel was...where is he now? I'm not saying he can't do it...I"m saying he shouldn't do it HERE. We need a guy we can grow with over a decade or so, which is how you get stability. This guy's almost ready for social security right NOW. As a GM however...that might have some legs.

[Tombstone RJ]

I would put my best candidate at the top, but that's just me. In any case, who cares how old Vermiel was...where is he now? I'm not saying he can't do it...I"m saying he shouldn't do it HERE. We need a guy we can grow with over a decade or so, which is how you get stability. This guy's almost ready for social security right NOW. As a GM however...that might have some legs.

I'm of the mind you have a list of candidates and you pick the best one based his interview and his resume and his attitude.

Are you saying Tom Coughlin is too old? I'd take Coughlin in a NY minute.

[Jason in LA]

Wouldn't be the worst idea ever.....But like somebody said, uninspiring.

That's exactly it right there. It's not a horrible idea, but it surely wouldn't instill any sense of hope. I think the Broncos can do better.

[ColoradoDarin]

I didin't even know he was a GM in the UFL till now. I guess it can't hurt him though...in any case, it's interesting he has the Elway connection so who knows...perhaps if Bowlen is talking to him that's the reason?

HC, GM and janitor! But hey, back to back UFL championships, FWIW...

[footstepsfrom#27]

I'm of the mind you have a list of candidates and you pick the best one based his interview and his resume and his attitude.

Are you saying Tom Coughlin is too old? I'd take Coughlin in a NY minute.
We're not talking about Coughlin. For every Coughlin, there are 10 guys who can't do it. Do you really want a guy approaching retirement age coming on the heels of a kid coach? It smacks of desperation. Why not just resurect Don Shula?

Joe Paterno's older than him and still going strong...

[Tombstone RJ]

We're not talking about Coughlin. For every Coughlin, there are 10 guys who can't do it. Do you really want a guy approaching retirement age coming on the heels of a kid coach? It smacks of desperation. Why not just resurect Don Shula?

Joe Paterno's older than him and still going strong...

Your just being an ass now. Whatever, you don't want an experienced proven NFL HC, becuase you think he won't last. It in no way smacks of desparation to bring a guy like Fassel in. If anything it shows the Broncos want the best candidate for the job, not the next young hot shot.

While I put up examples of guys like Tom Coughlin and Dick Vermiel, you'd rather get sling hash around and deny Fassel is a ligitimate candidate. Ok fine.

[OABB]

I can't believe there isn't any more hatred of this idea. When I first saw the thread title for fassel I thought this thread could be hof worthy. I must be the only one who remembers him outside of the poker comment and ending our 19 game win streak. He is norv turner lite.

[2KBack]

I can't believe there isn't any more hatred of this idea. When I first saw the thread title for fassel I thought this thread could be hof worthy. I must be the only one who remembers him outside of the poker comment and ending our 19 game win streak. He is norv turner lite.

That's a little harsh, Norv has never coached a team to a superbowl, and he has one of the most talented rosters in football. Fassell did it with 1 probowl LB and Kerry Collins. He's better than Norv, maybe not the best guy for us, but better than Norv

[footstepsfrom#27]

Your just being an ass now. Whatever, you don't want an experienced proven NFL HC, becuase you think he won't last.
I'm fine with proven and experienced, but I don't want a guy who subscribes to AARP and doesn't know what Twitter is. People expressed concern over Urban Meyer's health...well Meyer is FIFTEEN YEARS younger than Fassel.
It in no way smacks of desparation to bring a guy like Fassel in. If anything it shows the Broncos want the best candidate for the job, not the next young hot shot.
So because he's wearing dentures now he's the best candidate? OK...if you like retreads I guess.
While I put up examples of guys like Tom Coughlin and Dick Vermiel, you'd rather get sling hash around and deny Fassel is a ligitimate candidate. Ok fine.
I said I'd like him perhaps as GM, isn't that good enough for you? I deny he's a legit candidate...because there are far better choices for a team that needs a long term solution to fixing what has become a very unstable franchise. This guy has been out there several years...why has no other NFL team tried to bring him in if he's so legit? He was out of football entirely for a while and now he's a UFL guy, which is probably from a COACHING perspective where he's going to stay unless he comes here.

[footstepsfrom#27]

That's a little harsh, Norv has never coached a team to a superbowl, and he has one of the most talented rosters in football. Fassell did it with 1 probowl LB and Kerry Collins. He's better than Norv, maybe not the best guy for us, but better than Norv
He's probably a pretty good coach but where will he be in 5 years? I suspect he's a short term fix for someone like Wade coming between Shanny and Reeves was. We don't need any 32 year olds and no 61 year olds either. Pat needs to go find a guy in his early/mid 40's with a history of impressive success.

It's a young man's game.

[2KBack]

He's probably a pretty good coach but where will he be in 5 years? I suspect he's a short term fix for someone like Wade coming between Shanny and Reeves was. We don't need any 32 year olds and no 61 year olds either. Pat needs to go find a guy in his early/mid 40's with a history of impressive success.

It's a young man's game.

I'm kind of in the middle on that. Part of me would like to see someone like Fassell brought in to steady the ship, solidify us, all the while bringing someone up through the ranks to take over in a few years...

...part of me wants to go ahead and get the growing pains over with.

[Rohirrim]

Fassel's next stop should be Del Boca Vista.

[footstepsfrom#27]

I'm kind of in the middle on that. Part of me would like to see someone like Fassell brought in to steady the ship, solidify us, all the while bringing someone up through the ranks to take over in a few years...

...part of me wants to go ahead and get the growing pains over with.
Isn't steadying the ship Elway's new job?

[2KBack]

Isn't steadying the ship Elway's new job?

Could be, or he's just a fan friendly figure head. A lot of what I want is dependent on how well they learned their lesson from Shanahan and McDaniels. I mean I'm still on record stating that I would have kept McDaniels if he was working under a better organized structure and division of power. If we have that structure I'm all about a young hotshot coach.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Could be, or he's just a fan friendly figure head. A lot of what I want is dependent on how well they learned their lesson from Shanahan and McDaniels. I mean I'm still on record stating that I would have kept McDaniels if he was working under a better organized structure and division of power. If we have that structure I'm all about a young hotshot coach.
I just don't want to have to go through another coach all over again in a couple years, and that's what you get with a guy like this even if he does a good job. See Wade Phillips for exhibit A...he's a good DC but outside of Jerry who wanted a Yes man, who else would have given him a HC job this late in life? There's a reason the Johnsons, Grudens, Cowher's and Mooch's are all enjoying the broadcast booth.

[Drek]

Gruden is only 47, he's got a lot of coaching life left in him.

My personal heirarchy would have Gruden and Ron Rivera sitting at the top. Mike Mularkey would probably be third if he's pro-Tebow. Other than that it gets tough.

[2KBack]

I do support long term stability...until they've gone stale at least

[footstepsfrom#27]

Gruden is only 47, he's got a lot of coaching life left in him.

My personal heirarchy would have Gruden and Ron Rivera sitting at the top. Mike Mularkey would probably be third if he's pro-Tebow. Other than that it gets tough.
I bring Gruden up because he is only 47...he seems to like the broadcast booth even at this age, so I wonder if he really wants to return?

[serious hops]

Anybody know what Red Miller's doing these days?

[Drek]

I bring Gruden up because he is only 47...he seems to like the broadcast booth even at this age, so I wonder if he really wants to return?

He's just a football junkie. I'd be very surprised if he doesn't coach in the NFL within two or three years.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Anybody know what Red Miller's doing these days?
I read something that said he's still living in Denver and likes barbershop quartets and working in his garden.

[BroncoInferno]

So what? Are you saying that the game has passed him by? Prove it. Otherwise you are just throwing crap on a wall, hoping it will stick.

Well, I have proof that the rest of the NFL believes the game has passed him by. That evidence is the fact that no one has offered him a coordinators job--let alone an HC job--since Baltimore fired him as OC in 2006. What do you mean "throwing crap on the all, hoping it will stick?" It is a very reasonable position to take that a guy who is 61 years old and hasn't worked in the NFL in any capacity for 4 seasons might not be the best hire available. If you think a 61 year old UFL head coach is a great candidate, have at it.

[bowtown]

Fassel's next stop should be Del Boca Vista.

Which phase though?

[BroncoInferno]

While I put up examples of guys like Tom Coughlin and Dick Vermiel, you'd rather get sling hash around and deny Fassel is a ligitimate candidate. Ok fine.

Coughlin has coached in the NFL in the past 4 seasons. He's been a head coach in the past 8 seasons. Fassel can't say either. Age is only part of it. And, no, an ancient Dick Vermeil out of the league since 2004 would not be a good candidate either.

[BigPlayShay]

I love the game has passed them by argument. Especially after 4 years. Man, the league looks so different now than way back in 2006...

[BroncoInferno]

I love the game has passed them by argument. Especially after 4 years. Man, the league looks so different now than way back in 2006...

Then why won't anyone offer him so much as an OC job?

[footstepsfrom#27]

Then why won't anyone offer him so much as an OC job?
Pat has shown a preference for young coaches. This guy's only five years younger than he is for cryin' out loud.

[crawdad]

The problem is...it's a young man's game. At 61..that IS old...he'll be retiring by the time the team is built up again. Now as a GM...that might work. As for Harbaugh...28 wins and one memorable season in a limited 4 year resume coaching college football is NOT NFL worthy. I'm all for experience but if that's the only criteria let's resurect Gruden instead.

Easy there killer, I am gonnas be 61 in April and I still have a few miles left on my motor. 60 is the new 40 ya know?

[BigPlayShay]

Then why won't anyone offer him so much as an OC job?

I don't know, but I don't think it has anything to do with the game passing him by. Why are Billick, Mariucci, Schottenheimer not in the league? It all depends on perception I suppose. Hiring the up and coming OC as HC doesn't always work out either (Kubiak, McD). Agree to disagree. I just think that Fassel has a lot of qualities that would be good for the Broncos in the state that they are currently in.

[bowtown]

I don't know, but I don't think it has anything to do with the game passing him by. Why are Billick, Mariucci, Schottenheimer not in the league? It all depends on perception I suppose. Hiring the up and coming OC as HC doesn't always work out either (Kubiak, McD). Agree to disagree. I just think that Fassel has a lot of qualities that would be good for the Broncos in the state that they are currently in.

Yeah but those other three guys aren't involved in coaching at all right now, which lends a lot more credence to the idea that they are happier in their current situations as tv analysts) than they would be coaching. Fassel is in the freaking UFL. You telling me that he'd choose to coach the locamotives over being back at the big show if given the oppertunity? Doesn't add up.

[Tombstone RJ]

Coughlin has coached in the NFL in the past 4 seasons. He's been a head coach in the past 8 seasons. Fassel can't say either. Age is only part of it. And, no, an ancient Dick Vermeil out of the league since 2004 would not be a good candidate either.

I'm not saying Vermiel is a candidate for the Broncos job, I'm saying he was 60+ years old when the Rams brought him back and when the chefs brought him in. I'm using him as an example of an older coach who was out of the game for a long time and then came back and had success.

[BroncoInferno]

Yeah but those other three guys aren't involved in coaching at all right now, which lends a lot more credence to the idea that they are happier in their current situations as tv analysts) than they would be coaching. Fassel is in the freaking UFL. You telling me that he'd choose to coach the locamotives over being back at the big show if given the oppertunity? Doesn't add up.

Exactly. Those guys have chosen not to further pursue their coaching careers. Fassel simply can't get anyone in the NFL to hire him.

[BroncoInferno]

I'm not saying Vermiel is a candidate for the Broncos job, I'm saying he was 60+ years old when the Rams brought him back and when the chefs brought him in. I'm using him as an example of an older coach who was out of the game for a long time and then came back and had success.

Fair enough, but Vermeil CHOSE not to be in the NFL after leaving the Eagles back in the 80s. Fassel wants a job, but no one in the NFL will give him one...not even as an assistant! Why do you think that is? Clearly, no one in the NFL believes his coaching as either a HC or assistant would be a benefit to their ballclub at this point.

[Tombstone RJ]

Exactly. Those guys have chosen not to further pursue their coaching careers. Fassel simply can't get anyone in the NFL to hire him.

so you know for a fact Billick, Mariucci and Shotty have been offered a HC jobs? Really? I'm pretty sure no teams have offered those guys a HC job.

[Tombstone RJ]

Fair enough, but Vermeil CHOSE not to be in the NFL after leaving the Eagles back in the 80s. Fassel wants a job, but no one in the NFL will give him one...not even as an assistant! Why do you think that is? Clearly, no one in the NFL believes his coaching as either a HC or assistant would be a benefit to their ballclub at this point.

I have no idea why he's not been offered a HC job. I don't think he has a bad rap or a bad reputation but I could be wrong. More likely his name has just gotten lost because he's not an NFL analyst who sits in a booth and spouts regurgitated crap all day long...

But oh boy, Chucky and Billick sure are on the boob tube, whoop-fuggen-EEE!!!

[BroncoInferno]

so you know for a fact Billick, Mariucci and Shotty have been offered a HC jobs? Really? I'm pretty sure no teams have offered those guys a HC job.

Probably not. Schotty could probably get at least a front office gig if he wanted one, but he's said flat out he's done with the NFL. I think Mooch and Billick are pretty much in the same boat as Fassel, quite frankly. Maybe Billick could get an assistant job if he pursued one, but who knows. I don't think anyone takes Mooch seriously anymore.

[Tombstone RJ]

Hey, I'm on TV, hire me!!

[BroncoMan4ever]

i wouldn't hate Fassel in Denver, as long as he had a strong group of assistants.

i truly would like to see a return of Wade Phillips as our DC. sucks as a HC but he is a badass DC.

[yerner]

Fassel is a douchebag. That is all.

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

Fassel is a douchebag. That is all.

How?

[Likwid Kerruj]

i wouldn't hate Fassel in Denver, as long as he had a strong group of assistants.

i truly would like to see a return of Wade Phillips as our DC. sucks as a HC but he is a badass DC.

Talk about role reversal!

How about bringing back Charlie Waters for old times sake.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Easy there killer, I am gonnas be 61 in April and I still have a few miles left on my motor. 60 is the new 40 ya know?
I guess that makes me 30 then...cool beans.

[~Crash~]

the peeps who are saying that Fassel is a bad HC decision simply don't know what they are talking about:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/FassJi0.htm

He got one shot at being a HC and he did a very respectable job with the NYG, the toughest market in the NFL. Who was his QB? It was Kerry-hand-me-a-whisky-Collins. He received the NFL Coach of the Year award in 1997. He's 61 years old, which is NOT that old, he would not be a HC/GM and does not want to be a HC/GM. Add to that the fact that he desparately wants another chance in the NFL and I say he's as good a candidate as any.

I love all the idgits on this board who hated McD yet don't give him any credit for his ability to work in a dysfunctional organization full of prima-donnas and a phantom front office. Now many of these same peeps want to bring in Jimmy boy-Harbaugh instead of a guy who's proven he can win in the NFL.

I laugh at your idiocy...

yep he would not be so bad but I would rather have him as the OC

[BroncoMan4ever]

Talk about role reversal!

How about bringing back Charlie Waters for old times sake.

i'm not saying i am hoping that Fassel becomes the guy, just that, if he had a strong group of assistants with him i wouldn't absolutely hate it.

look at the Chiefs this season, they aren't winning because Haley is doing a good job, they are winning because Weis and Crennel are kicking ass as the coordinators.

get an ok coach who has really good assistants and the team will get better.

[~Crash~]

Fassel is a douchebag. That is all.

nope I doubt you have ever tALKED TO HIM . i HAVE YOU AND MY VOTE... WELL LETS JUST SAY ...PINK AND MEAT .come to mind with you .

[~Crash~]

How?

you ask a closed mind this .:wiggle:

[yerner]

How?

Met him at a DC bar about 7 years ago where my buddy was bartending. He was a jerkoff. Plus, I think he is a ****ty head coach and would do nothing long term for the broncos.

[yerner]

you ask a closed mind this .:wiggle:

You're a ****stain.

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

Met him at a DC bar about 7 years ago where my buddy was bartending. He was a jerkoff. Plus, I think he is a ****ty head coach and would do nothing long term for the broncos.

Wait your basing thing on what, a 10-20 minute conversation with a guy that owes you or your friend anything. Look he made Elway into a way better QB than he had every been ever. He made Kerry Collins into a SuperBowl QB.

I'm not lobbying for the guy, but I'm not good to throw bombs until after he F***s over this team.

[Pony Boy]

Then why won't anyone offer him so much as an OC job?

Please reference where you read that he has never been offered another job in the NFL? Maybe he has been offered several but chose not to take an assistant job. He might have been waiting for another HC offer, I know his name was in the hat for the Oakland job.

[Pony Boy]

Easy there killer, I am gonnas be 61 in April and I still have a few miles left on my motor. 60 is the new 40 ya know?

Ha.... I'm there too so I guess I had better take footsteps advice and start digging a hole in the back yard. You know I was starting to wonder why I couldn't figure out what McD was doing, I guess the game has passed me by.

[~Crash~]

You're a ****stain.

and you pink meat.

[~Crash~]

Wait your basing thing on what, a 10-20 minute conversation with a guy that owes you or your friend anything. Look he made Elway into a way better QB than he had every been ever. He made Kerry Collins into a SuperBowl QB.

I'm not lobbying for the guy, but I'm not good to throw bombs until after he ****s over this team.

he never talked to him .. he is a liar

[BroncoInferno]

Please reference where you read that he has never been offered another job in the NFL? Maybe he has been offered several but chose not to take an assistant job. He might have been waiting for another HC offer, I know his name was in the hat for the Oakland job.

No, he sent Al Davis a letter begging for the job. His last job in the NFL was as an assistant for Baltimore, from which he was fired in 2006. You are telling me he has been waiting for an HC offer after getting fired as an assistant in his last gig? C'mon. If he had gotten an OC offer, he'd be in the league right now.

[bowtown]

Tom Cable > Fossil

[Tombstone RJ]

No, he sent Al Davis a letter begging for the job. His last job in the NFL was as an assistant for Baltimore, from which he was fired in 2006. You are telling me he has been waiting for an HC offer after getting fired as an assistant in his last gig? C'mon. If he had gotten an OC offer, he'd be in the league right now.

it'd be interesting to research how Fassel did with Kyle Boller. It's pretty well documented that the Ravens gave Boller every opportunity to succeed, then they gave up on him. They drafted Flacco in 2008?

Perhaps the Ravens didn't think Fassel got the most out or Boller but the fact is, Boller was a bad pick and has amounted to nothing in the NFL. I'm wondering if Boller was more of the problem than Fassel was for the Raven's offense.

Billick did nothing with the Ravens offense for years and years and yet he still won the SB because the defense was so good. Harbaugh has managed to get the offense going a little better but he also has Flacco to work with and now some very good WRs.

I guess my point is that Fassel perhaps got fired for the Raven's lack of offensive production but if you look at the bigger picture, the Ravens offense has been pretty bad to mediocre since they moved to Baltimore. What's the old saying "you can polish a turd but in the end it's still a turd" and I think Fassel was shoe-shining a turd.

[oubronco]

Is there any new rumors yet?

[Pony Boy]

No, he sent Al Davis a letter begging for the job. His last job in the NFL was as an assistant for Baltimore, from which he was fired in 2006. You are telling me he has been waiting for an HC offer after getting fired as an assistant in his last gig? C'mon. If he had gotten an OC offer, he'd be in the league right now.


I would like to read the "begging letter" he sent to Al Davis? But for the most part you are assuming that he has had no NFL job offers since Baltimore?

[Pony Boy]

Is there any new rumors yet?

You know the right thing to do is wait till after the season and hire a GM and then do a very thorough job searching for a HC. But that's gonna kill all of us.....;D

[BroncosMT]

You know the right thing to do is wait till after the season and hire a GM and then do a very thorough job searching for a HC. But that's gonna kill all of us.....;D

I was dying as you were typing that! hehe I couldn't agree more....we want instant results and want the decisions now dammit!

[Dedhed]

You know the right thing to do is wait till after the season and hire a GM and then do a very thorough job searching for a HC. But that's gonna kill all of us.....;D

I don't think that's the right thing to do at all. Waiting only serves to allow other teams who maybe made the playoffs but still want to make a coaching change, etc a chance to swoop in and steal your guy.

Plus it shortens the amount of time that everyone can work together to get draft plans in order; something that this franchise is going to have to ace going forward.

Not to mention that the closer you get to a deadline the more rash the decision is going to be. Did you ever stay up all night writing a paper in college that you had months to get done? Was it ever your best work?

This process should move forward with the utmost expedience. I would be interviewing already with anyone who wouldn't be "tampered" with, and get this process in high gear.

We saw what waiting accomplishes the last time we went through this. We made a rash decision that made it impossible to get the structure correct between the HC and FO, and made the draft process even more of a crap shoot than it already is no one can prepare for that process in a couple of months. Sorry, but I don't want a repeat of that.

Take your time, sure, but use the advantage that we have to get the jump on everyone and get the pick of the proverbial litter.

[BroncoInferno]

I would like to read the "begging letter" he sent to Al Davis? But for the most part you are assuming that he has had no NFL job offers since Baltimore?

He was willing to be an assistant in Baltimore before they fired them. Therefore, considering he is still in coaching, I think it's a safe assumption that if a coaching opportunity in the NFL had presented itself, he would be coaching in the NFL, not the UFL. You are free to think otherwise.