Tebow requested a meeting with with Ellis after...

[BroncoSojia]

McD was fired

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/cardinals/articles/2010/12/12/20101212arizona-cardinals-denver-broncos-tim-tebow.html



For the second time in three weeks, the Broncos were humiliated by a rookie quarterback. But the Broncos' rookie quarterback didn't draw a business breath.

When I asked him about not being given a chance to play in just another routine blowout by the opposition, the always politically correct Tebow uttered his favorite line: "I'm competitive."

Then I asked how he would feel if he doesn't play in the remaining three games.

Get ready for some serious controversy.

"It would be a lost opportunity," Tebow said.

A lost opportunity for him? For the Broncos? For interim coach Eric Studesville? For the multitude of Broncos' and Tebow fans? For his detractors? For Pat Bowlen?

A lost opportunity forever?

A couple of days after Josh McDaniels was fired, Tebow politely requested a meeting with Broncos' COO Joe Ellis and wanted to know if he would be "out", too.

Tebow: The former Heisman Trophy winner, a two-time national championship quarterback, a Broncos' first-round draft choice this year, a young man who is experiencing the worst record on a team he has been a member of since he began playing football, one of the most heralded players in NCAA football history who barely has played this year.

Tebow: A frustrated scrub for the badly-broken Broncos. His feelings show, except when he talks after the game about new Florida coach Will Muschamp -- "He's great" -- and the Heisman Trophy ceremonies, where he was a finalist the past three years and which he saw "pieces of on TV between team meetings" on Saturday night.

Heisman honoree Cam Newton, who was Tebow's backup at one time with the Gators, may get that found opportunity in pro football before Tebow does.

In the conversation with Ellis, Tebow wondered aloud about his future with the Broncos -- considering that McDaniels had swapped a fistful of draft choices to pick the quarterback. Tebow reportedly was told not to worry, to be patient.

Obviously, he does worry, and he is patient. Could he be one-and-one in Denver?

[The MVPlaya]

The worst time for Tebow is to play now.

[Taco John]

There's no better time to play Tebow. We need to know what we've got going into a potential lockout year. I know you're disappointed theCool, but get a grip man. It's still the Broncos here.

[strafen]

I've started to have doubts if he'll ever play at all this season.
Not playing at all, would most likely mean the end of the road for him here in Denver

[Crushaholic]

I was all for keeping Orton in, as long he is playing well. He hasn't been playing well, so it's time for a change. If he is the professional I think he is, Orton would respect the decision for a change...

[HEAV]

I want to see the kid play. Not jut a few endzone plays.

[Cito Pelon]

The worst time for Tebow is to play now.

MV, the time is now to play Tebow. He's itching to play and I think the vets on the team want to see him play. Tebow wants to comptete, and I think the vets want to compete with him.

[Dagmar]

There's no better time to play Tebow. We need to know what we've got going into a potential lockout year. I know you're disappointed theCool, but get a grip man. It's still the Broncos here.

Again, I was screaming to see Tebow today. However, he took NO snaps with the first string this week, none. As Lindsay Jones said, if he is going to play, tell him on Monday and let the kid practice with the first team all week before we throw him into his first NFL game.

[The MVPlaya]

There's no better time to play Tebow. We need to know what we've got going into a potential lockout year. I know you're disappointed theCool, but get a grip man. It's still the Broncos here.

No better time? Really? You think the best time possible to play a rookie QB is to play him when your team is 3-10 and the whole organization is in shambles and his HC was fired? NO BETTER time? Are you telling me you cannot think of another time that is better than now to play a rookie QB?

I am disappointed, but the best thing for Tebow is not to play right now.

It's because our whole staff is in shambles right now and has no idea what the hell they're doing. Throwing him in to play some back yard football would be a questionable decision.

However, it's not surprising people are saying play tebow now!!! You know you Denver fans aren't exactly the brightest... knee jerk reactions are your specialty.

Like after that one game Quentin Griffin had a few years back... BURN HIS HEAD OFF!

[Dagmar]

MVP, the idea of playing Tebow at this point perhaps is to give a fan base, who have never been this low, something to cheer for.

[The MVPlaya]

Look, if we had a stable head coach, or had idea what we were doing I could understand.

But there is so much **** going wrong with this franchise, you throw Tebow in there and he looks like ****.. the whole media is going to blow it up and ESPECIALLY the Denver Media...

How in the **** do you think that will affect the Broncos and Tebow? Think about it!

[The MVPlaya]

MVP, the idea of playing Tebow at this point perhaps is to give a fan base, who have never been this low, something to cheer for.

And if he plays like ****?

You realize the repercussions this team and Tebow will suffer if he sucks ass?

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Again, I was screaming to see Tebow today. However, he took NO snaps with the first string this week, none. As Lindsay Jones said, if he is going to play, tell him on Monday and let the kid practice with the first team all week before we throw him into his first NFL game.

Agreed...give him a week with the ones...i think the Houston game would be the best option.

[epicSocialism4tw]

No better time? Really? You think the best time possible to play a rookie QB is to play him when your team is 3-10 and the whole organization is in shambles and his HC was fired? NO BETTER time? Are you telling me you cannot think of another time that is better than now to play a rookie QB?

I am disappointed, but the best thing for Tebow is not to play right now.

It's because our whole staff is in shambles right now and has no idea what the hell they're doing. Throwing him in to play some back yard football would be a questionable decision.

However, it's not surprising people are saying play tebow now!!! You know you Denver fans aren't exactly the brightest... knee jerk reactions are your specialty.

Like after that one game Quentin Griffin had a few years back... BURN HIS HEAD OFF!

The bottom has already dropped out for these Broncos. They just got blasted against Arizona, and may not win another game this season.

This situation is much more appropriate to bring in a rookie than it was a few years ago when Shanahan pushed Plummer aside in the middle of a competitive season with a Broncos team who had been one game away from the super bowl the previous year.

The time is now to start Tebow. The Orton Era is over.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

And if he plays like ****?

You realize the repercussions this team and Tebow will suffer if he sucks ass?

ONE GAME should not be a referendum on tebows career. All he has to do is show sparks, he'll be fine. I really believe he can be a good QB

[Cito Pelon]

Again, I was screaming to see Tebow today. However, he took NO snaps with the first string this week, none. As Lindsay Jones said, if he is going to play, tell him on Monday and let the kid practice with the first team all week before we throw him into his first NFL game.

That's an ok attitude, but I'm still wondering why Stude on the final possession chose to run Lance Ball until the clock ran out instead of letting Tebow have a chance to score.

[strafen]

No better time? Really? You think the best time possible to play a rookie QB is to play him when your team is 3-10 and the whole organization is in shambles and his HC was fired? NO BETTER time? Are you telling me you cannot think of another time that is better than now to play a rookie QB?

I am disappointed, but the best thing for Tebow is not to play right now.

It's because our whole staff is in shambles right now and has no idea what the hell they're doing. Throwing him in to play some back yard football would be a questionable decision.

However, it's not surprising people are saying play tebow now!!! You know you Denver fans aren't exactly the brightest... knee jerk reactions are your specialty.

Like after that one game Quentin Griffin had a few years back... BURN HIS HEAD OFF!

You're clinically insane!

[broncolife]

If Tebow doesnt play this year and there is no football next year then I guess the 2012 prediction of the end world is coming true.

[Cito Pelon]

No better time? Really? You think the best time possible to play a rookie QB is to play him when your team is 3-10 and the whole organization is in shambles and his HC was fired? NO BETTER time? Are you telling me you cannot think of another time that is better than now to play a rookie QB?

I am disappointed, but the best thing for Tebow is not to play right now.

It's because our whole staff is in shambles right now and has no idea what the hell they're doing. Throwing him in to play some back yard football would be a questionable decision.

However, it's not surprising people are saying play tebow now!!! You know you Denver fans aren't exactly the brightest... knee jerk reactions are your specialty.

Like after that one game Quentin Griffin had a few years back... BURN HIS HEAD OFF!

Jeez, relax.

[The MVPlaya]

ONE GAME should not be a referendum on tebows career. All he has to do is show sparks, he'll be fine. I really believe he can be a good QB

I do too.

But you start Tebow now that means you start him for the next 3 games. And if he sucks so bad that you can't, then you got a real problem.

[Dagmar]

And if he plays like ****?

You realize the repercussions this team and Tebow will suffer if he sucks ass?

Well, it's unlikely he will have a QB rating lower than Orton has has the last 2 games.

[Ratboy]

And if he plays like ****?

You realize the repercussions this team and Tebow will suffer if he sucks ass?

Bingo.

This is why we should not see him. If he comes in and sucks it up, which is highly likely in the state of which this team is in, he will lose value.

It still depends on whether or not Bowlen, Elway, Ellis, GM, Head Coach can or are willing to go forward with him as our future (has to be next season if we play).

I don't see it happening.

[The MVPlaya]

Well, it's unlikely he will have a QB rating lower than Orton has has the last 2 games.

It is very possible. He throws an int here or there and he can be done.

You realize the next game is against the Raiders? They have some real athletes and a solid defense.

THe last thing the Broncos need right now is bad press with Tebow. Throwing him in right now probably doesn't give him an edge over anyone....

This organization and whole coaching staff is in shambles...broken.

You put him in the game where coaches don't know what they're doing, you're just asking for it.

[Cito Pelon]

I do too.

But you start Tebow now that means you start him for the next 3 games. And if he sucks so bad that you can't, then you got a real problem.

Tebow wants to take his lumps, the vets on the team want to see him take his lumps, what's the problem? Play Tebow and let him take his lumps.

[Bronco Yoda]

However, it's not surprising people are saying play tebow now!!! You know you Denver fans aren't exactly the brightest... knee jerk reactions are your specialty.

So you're saying YOU'RE NOT ONE OF DENVER FANS then?

[SonOfLe-loLang]

It is very possible. He throws an int here or there and he can be done.

You realize the next game is against the Raiders? They have some real athletes and a solid defense.

THe last thing the Broncos need right now is bad press with Tebow. Throwing him in right now probably doesn't give him an edge over anyone....

This organization and whole coaching staff is in shambles...broken.

You put him in the game where coaches don't know what they're doing, you're just asking for it.

You do realize he has to play at some point in his career, correct?

[epicSocialism4tw]

So you're saying YOU'RE NOT ONE OF DENVER FANS then?

I dont think he knows what he's saying.

[ol#7]

Is Tebow made of glass or something? The team whos kicker just pasted us has started TWO rookie qb's this year!

IMO worse thing is to go into a potential lockout year without knowing if we need a QB, especially when we could be in line to take Luck.

[Cito Pelon]

Is Tebow made of glass or something? The team whos kicker just pasted us has started TWO rookie qb's this year!

IMO worse thing is to go into a potential lockout year without knowing if we need a QB, especially when we could be in line to take Luck.

Good post.

[Bronco Yoda]

Rep for your M&M. I loved those 'away pants. Gave us orange even when we were on the road.

[TheProfessor]

Tebow wants to take his lumps, the vets on the team want to see him take his lumps, what's the problem? Play Tebow and let him take his lumps.

It really has become that simple. It's time to turn the page.

[Bronco Yoda]

Problem is . . . Bowlen is using the book for his drink coaster. Any ideas how we're going to turn this page.

[The MVPlaya]

You do realize he has to play at some point in his career, correct?

And how does this support your cause? Because he has to play at some point just play him now? Why not just start him over Orton at the beginning of the season?

You're telling me, you actually think it's a good idea to risk his value, throw him into the field where our team is 3-10 with a clueless staff, and risk all the bad press?

Do you realize, Tebow failing would be a CHERRY ON TOP to Denver's image?

Like I said, if we had some stability, knew what we were doing, or a decent staff, it'd be harder to argue against.

But in the current condition of the Broncos, it's to no surprise you guys can't think logically but to just knee jerk, but the risk of starting Tebow is far greater than the reward.

[TheProfessor]

And how does this support your cause? Because he has to play at some point just play him now? Why not just start him over Orton at the beginning of the season?

You're telling me, you actually think it's a good idea to risk his value, throw him into the field where our team is 3-10 with a clueless staff, and risk all the bad press?

Do you realize, Tebow failing would be a CHERRY ON TOP to Denver's image?

In hindsight, that might have been a better idea.

[The MVPlaya]

Tebow is a special player and always gives 110%.

If he's good and valuable, he'll show it during the off-season and pre-season. Starting him now with 3 games left will not save anything, the season is over.

you guys really want ESPN talking more **** about the Broncos and putting them in a hot spot to take luck? I mean, Bowlen cares what others think about him.

[The MVPlaya]

Is Tebow made of glass or something? The team whos kicker just pasted us has started TWO rookie qb's this year!

IMO worse thing is to go into a potential lockout year without knowing if we need a QB, especially when we could be in line to take Luck.

How would we know? What would Tebow's play for the last 3 games indicate anything? He doesn't have his HC, or a real HC for that matter, or anything to really constitute a real evaluation of him other than possibly his throwing motion.

We don't HAVE ANY STABILITY in place, this organization is going to look completely different very soon.

STarting Tebow does not help anyone but some retarded fans.

[The MVPlaya]

You got KYle Orton throwing his highest # of Ints this season and you just want to throw Tebow in with the staff that led to this... against the ****ing Cardinals.

[Bronco Yoda]

Tebow is a special player and always gives 110%.

If he's good and valuable, he'll show it during the off-season and pre-season. Starting him now with 3 games left will not save anything, the season is over.

you guys really want ESPN talking more **** about the Broncos and putting them in a hot spot to take luck? I mean, Bowlen cares what others think about him.

There's no experience like LIVE experience. Everything else is 10 times slower.

Who gives a **** what ESPN says. Seriously. You do?

[Bronco Yoda]

You got KYle Orton throwing his highest # of Ints this season and you just want to throw Tebow in with the staff that led to this... against the ****ing Cardinals.

What better team to play him against than another 3-9 team. This wasn't the Steelers Defense we were playing against. Orton sure made them look like it though.

btw, Ortons value isn't going to change. He is what he is. You think the experts can be fooled?

[DBroncos4life]

Tebow has to be wondering if he is only here to sale jerseys. There is no reason he should get playing time in blow out games.

[Bronco Yoda]

Unless maybe Bowlen is afraid Tebow might actualy spark something and screw up our draft order.

[Taco John]

No better time? Really? You think the best time possible to play a rookie QB is to play him when your team is 3-10 and the whole organization is in shambles and his HC was fired? NO BETTER time? Are you telling me you cannot think of another time that is better than now to play a rookie QB?

That's right. When would be a better time than that? When everything is perfect?

[Taco John]

Look, if we had a stable head coach, or had idea what we were doing I could understand.

But there is so much **** going wrong with this franchise, you throw Tebow in there and he looks like ****.. the whole media is going to blow it up and ESPECIALLY the Denver Media...

How in the **** do you think that will affect the Broncos and Tebow? Think about it!



The seal is already broken on that. If he plays like crap, then the Broncos will likely cut bait and target a QB as a high priority in the draft. If he shows a lot of promise, then QB becomes a low priority. Not playing him is the worst thing the Broncos can do right now. They need to get some film on Tebow so that the incoming staff can make an adequate evaluation.

[The MVPlaya]

There's no experience like LIVE experience. Everything else is 10 times slower.

Who gives a **** what ESPN says. Seriously. You do?

Umm, well considering it kind of effects the Broncos and their national reputation which essentially goes back to Bowlen and his feelings... it's kind of relevant.

[The MVPlaya]

btw, Ortons value isn't going to change. He is what he is. You think the experts can be fooled?

I'm sure all the experts knew what he was capable of when he came here from Chicago with his noodle arm.

[The MVPlaya]

That's right. When would be a better time than that? When everything is perfect?

When we have a coach? How's that for a plan?

Oh wait, you're not actually used to that idea, you're just used to knee jerking until your desk breaks.

[The MVPlaya]

The seal is already broken on that. If he plays like crap, then the Broncos will likely cut bait and target a QB as a high priority in the draft. If he shows a lot of promise, then QB becomes a low priority. Not playing him is the worst thing the Broncos can do right now. They need to get some film on Tebow so that the incoming staff can make an adequate evaluation.

So you're telling me you think the Broncos should use these next 3 games to decide of they need a QB or not, and not take into any account what Tebow has gone through with this team... and considering we'll be under completely different staff and probably different systems...?

You think these next 3 games should dictate if we should quit on Tebow or not?

TJ, you make some of the dumbest ****ing posts on this forum. I never knew an owner of a forum could be one of the lead contributors to the ignorance of the whole damn forum.

[Taco John]

And how does this support your cause? Because he has to play at some point just play him now? Why not just start him over Orton at the beginning of the season?

You're telling me, you actually think it's a good idea to risk his value, throw him into the field where our team is 3-10 with a clueless staff, and risk all the bad press?

Do you realize, Tebow failing would be a CHERRY ON TOP to Denver's image?

Like I said, if we had some stability, knew what we were doing, or a decent staff, it'd be harder to argue against.

But in the current condition of the Broncos, it's to no surprise you guys can't think logically but to just knee jerk, but the risk of starting Tebow is far greater than the reward.

Frankly, I don't think that you are being very logical at all. You've been nothing but an emotional wreck ever since Josh got fired, and your judgement has been very questionable.

Your take doesn't make a lot of sense. Risking Tebow's value? Tebow has no value right now. He's an unknown commodity and we'll never get for him what we traded to get him, or even the equivalent of the draft spot that we took him at. You're worried about risking bad press? Are you ok man? Bad press!?

We have larger fish to fry right now than bad press. We don't know whether we have a QBOTF or whether we still need to go out and get one. We can't risk going into the next two years with this question hanging over our heads because you don't want to risk a little bad press.

It's embarassing that you're questioning people's ability to reason.

[Taco John]

So you're telling me you think the Broncos should use these next 3 games to decide of they need a QB or not, and not take into any account what Tebow has gone through with this team... and considering we'll be under completely different staff and probably different systems...?

You think these next 3 games should dictate if we should quit on Tebow or not?

TJ, you make some of the dumbest ****ing posts on this forum. I never knew an owner of a forum could be one of the lead contributors to the ignorance of the whole damn forum.


I think we should use these next three games to evaluate what we have in Tebow. It blows my mind that you believe you have a valid argument against this idea, and are even proud enough of this take to call other people dumb who disagree with you. You've fallen a long ways man. You should walk away, take some deep breaths, and come back when you've had time to process the loss of Scabbers who is surely scampering his way back to the Dark Lord even as we speak.

[mr007]

When we have a coach? How's that for a plan?

Oh wait, you're not actually used to that idea, you're just used to knee jerking until your desk breaks.

You have some of the most retarded takes and logic on this forum.

Putting Tebow in now - regardless of whether he sucks or not - is something that should be done and there's no time better than now to do it. Our season is over, we just lost to one of the worst teams in the NFL, and our team is apparently in shambles.

We put him out there, he will undoubtedly provide a spark to the fans and others that have faith in him - and if he's horrible - how does that change anything at all? If he's decent or even good - maybe we get a glimpse of hope that we have a new qbotf for this team.

It makes perfect sense to put him out there now and at least see what he can do.

[ol#7]

When we have a coach? How's that for a plan?

Oh wait, you're not actually used to that idea, you're just used to knee jerking until your desk breaks.

Umm, how about seeing what he looks like with the rest of the first team as a guage for what you have going forward (seems like they do this already, what is that crazy thing again? Oh Pre-Season!)

The guy has mechanics issues, how about some footage from live action to see where he needs work or has improved, tough to tell what a player reverts to under live fire. Seems this would be a valuable coaching tool for any new staff.

How is going from irrelevant to bad (a place we already occupy) tarnishing Denver's image and why should anyone care?

I never wanted Tebow to begin with, but we have already had several times when the situation begged for the backup to play. Considering all the unkowns, the only thing left is to evaluate the roster and last I checked, that included Tebow.

[Taco John]

When we have a coach? How's that for a plan?



That's a terrible plan. We don't have the luxury you apparently think we do to just sit on the Tebow question and hope that when we finally get around to playing him in a year or two, it will all come out ok. We may have two drafts ahead of us before Tebow ever sees the field.

We have three games ahead of us in which we should use to get some sort of evaluation on his ability to play at this level. It's unfortunate that the team is in such shambles to do it, but the situation is what it is. It's up to Tebow to respond.

[Bronco Yoda]

The Denver Media is going to be a firestorm of calling for Tebow this week now. I'm sure the Radio shows will be lighting up too. Will this be enought to get Tebow some time? And if so, is Oakland the right place to cut ones teeth?

I'd much rather Tebow have cut his teeth against the cards than this week in Oakland. But I'll take what I can get.

[Swedish Extrovert]

Gotta say, guys.... MVP is right

[Taco John]

The truly unfortunate thing is that we didn't play Tebow this past week and may have ended up doing irreprable damage to Kyle Orton's trade value.

[sirhcyennek81]

It will not make the team worse if they see what Tebow can do at this point. It might actually emphasize the rungame a bit more...*wishful thinking*. I think Tebow has great upside, if that is the case, he will show flashes if he plays in the next three weeks.

And if he starts and Denver wins in Oakland, I will laugh my fool head off.

:Broncos:

[Bronco Yoda]

Gotta say, guys.... MVP is right

Pass the bottle. Don't be greedy. Share :yayaya:

[troya900]

You do realize he has to play at some point in his career, correct?

Apparently he wants to wait until the Broncos go 19-0 and are coming off a championship with a stable coach and no significant player losses on offense or defense since that will coddle Tebow enough and give him the "best" chance at succeeding.

[RunSilentRunDeep]

Regular people won't freak out like some of the posters here if Tebow sucks the first few games. They'll remember...

1. Cutler's disaster against the Seahawks with a much more talented team around him.

2. Elway trying to take a snap from a guard.

3. Peyton Manning throwing 26 picks his rookie year, etc., etc.

The learning experience is the key -- start the growing pains now.

[Taco John]

Regular people won't freak out like some of the posters here if Tebow sucks the first few games. They'll remember...

1. Cutler's disaster against the Seahawks with a much more talented team around him.

2. Elway trying to take a snap from a guard.

3. Peyton Manning throwing 26 picks his rookie year, etc., etc.

The learning experience is the key -- start the growing pains now.

I agree with this. Even if Tebow falls on his face, I don't think the org will give up on him so easily. But they'll at least have the information and be able to decide just how much a priority it is to draft some insurance.

[NUB]

Orton's contributions were never a big deal. He has the glamor stats but not the ones that matter. He doesn't help the team when they're down, he fails in pressure situations, atrocious on third downs, has not been a leader for weeks now (reminding me of Griese, even) and lately has simply been a miserable QB. People got so caught up in his push toward "5,000 yards!" that they failed to notice a significant chunk of them came when we were losing. Orton, simply, went wherever the wind blew. He never lead anything with the one exception of the Titans game. He is a game manager, that's it. The problem is game manager's can't win football games. The whole point of them is to not screw things up while the run-game or defense manhandles the opposition. We don't have a run-game. We don't have a defense.

I honestly do not get why Orton is still playing. His role is effectively over. His accumulation of stats are huge, huge red herrings when it comes to the state of the Broncos. The team itself is very obviously losing spirit. And, just as an observation, it looked like Orton himself didn't even want to be out there. So start Tebow with a week's worth of first-team practice. Give him some experience for next year.

If we play Tebow he will have to be our QB next year. I especially hate these "Well if he sucks we draft Luck!" statements. We can't operate on the thinking that a rookie QB, first-round pick, has only three games to prove anything. Not every rookie QB is going to be Dan Marino. Lots of great QBs had a tough go of things when they started (Elway, Manning, Young, etc.). And the kid isn't going to be "ruined" if he has a bad go of it. Tebow is a competitor. The only thing that will do is make him work harder if anything.

Denver is in such a bad shape right now that I believe we need to basically make the assumption that Tebow will be the QB of the future. Denver has so many holes all over the team the last thing we need to do is spend a first round pick on another QB. If we do it basically means this: there was literally nothing to salvage from this year.

[troya900]

Regular people won't freak out like some of the posters here if Tebow sucks the first few games. They'll remember...

1. Cutler's disaster against the Seahawks with a much more talented team around him.

2. Elway trying to take a snap from a guard.

3. Peyton Manning throwing 26 picks his rookie year, etc., etc.

The learning experience is the key -- start the growing pains now.

Exactly start him now while the season is already lost. I believe Tebow is a big enough boy that he's not going let his career fall apart if he plays a couple of bad games. Orton is done, he will never be the QB of the future and like Taco said he probably just drove the final 20 nails in the coffin of what little trade value he had in his pathetic display yesterday and it didn't help that Studesville kept sending the hapless, broken Orton out there series after series.

[CBF1]

I will be the first one here to say I have seen 95% of every game in which Tim Tebow played while at Florida. I have been a huge Gator fan for 20 years and have a small personal tie to the current team with some inside knowledge of who and what Tim Tebow is ( A current Gator player who knew Tim while they played high school ball )

Tim has never been anything but a winner and a leader, the kind that others on the team will go to the ends of the world to help. Tim has all the intangables that no other QB on our roster will ever have and the physical attributes to go along with it.

For those of you that have not followed him for the past 4+ years, This guy is the real deal and will do everything asked of him to make himself and the team better and a winner again. Playing him now is not throwing him to the wolves, but giving him a chance to do what he has been doing since high school, leading HIS teams to victory at every level. He has a full training camp, pre season and watching and learning for the past 13 weeks under his belt, If he thinks he is ready, I say let the new era begin, Do not sit hiding behind your fears like many here are doing. The sooner he gets behind center the better.... unless you are looking for the #3 overall pick in a draft which I personally do not think is the greatest for our currant needs.

Let the flaming begin.

[Atwater His Ass]

I'm not necessarily against Tebow playing, but for most of you to pretend that we'd know what we have with him by throwing to the wolves here at the end of this wasted season, well, that's a pretty ridiculous claim.

It's going to be a crapshoot, depending on who the new coach is, what he is going to do with Tebow. If they commit to him, it's going to be a 2-3 year process before we know what we have. If not, gonna have to cut ties with him and look for a QB.

It's a tough situation. From Pat's perspective, you can't decree that the team will commit to Tebow and potentially weaken the pool of perspective coaches, but on the other hand, it would be beyond painful to commit significant resources yet again to the QB position.

[SPORTSWRITER]

I do too.

But you start Tebow now that means you start him for the next 3 games. And if he sucks so bad that you can't, then you got a real problem.

Yeah, but it would be better to find out now, before the upcoming draft, so we could maybe make some different plans for 2011, don't you think?!

[Broncos4Life]

I'm not necessarily against Tebow playing, but for most of you to pretend that we'd know what we have with him by throwing to the wolves here at the end of this wasted season, well, that's a pretty ridiculous claim.

It's going to be a crapshoot, depending on who the new coach is, what he is going to do with Tebow. If they commit to him, it's going to be a 2-3 year process before we know what we have. If not, gonna have to cut ties with him and look for a QB.

It's a tough situation. From Pat's perspective, you can't decree that the team will commit to Tebow and potentially weaken the pool of perspective coaches, but on the other hand, it would be beyond painful to commit significant resources yet again to the QB position.

No way does Bowlen just hire a coach that isn't interested in coaching Tebow. In fact I don't think many guys would even think of taking the job just to trade Tim and draft another QB in the 1st round. Can you imagine the revolt if that happened? Not only is Tim an investment to the Broncos because of his 1st round draft status, alot of people shelled out plenty of cash to wear his jersey. And it wasn't like they all blindly did it. A lot of us think he is talented, and can make an impact. And just from listening to the vets on the team talk about him, it seem he can have an impact on the team, not just on the offense.

[footstepsfrom#27]

No better time? Really? You think the best time possible to play a rookie QB is to play him when your team is 3-10 and the whole organization is in shambles and his HC was fired? NO BETTER time? Are you telling me you cannot think of another time that is better than now to play a rookie QB?

I am disappointed, but the best thing for Tebow is not to play right now.

It's because our whole staff is in shambles right now and has no idea what the hell they're doing. Throwing him in to play some back yard football would be a questionable decision.

However, it's not surprising people are saying play tebow now!!! You know you Denver fans aren't exactly the brightest... knee jerk reactions are your specialty.
Like after that one game Quentin Griffin had a few years back... BURN HIS HEAD OFF!
I get your point, because at one time I shared it. But I don't think leaving your possible starter in 2011 on the bench the entire season when wins don't even matter anymore qualifies as smart quite frankly. Tebow's not that fragile...in fact he's probably the most mentally tough rookie to enter the league in years. I was all for sitting him throughout the year, but he's right...this is a lost opportunity, for us and him. If we ship this kid out of town for a lousy draft pick next year it's going to be the worst decision of a long line of bad ones this staff has made. We have nothing to lose by playing him and he has nothing to lose either.

That's not a knee jerk reaction on my part at all, but one that took weeks to arrive at. One way or another we have to know what the kid can do and running plays from inside the 10 yard line don't tell us anything. It's ludicrous what's going on here when rookie QB's nobody's heard of get in the game and this guy can't sniff anything but the bench. No wonder Champ is gone...he knows this organization isn't winning anything with such limited vision.

[fontaine]

The seal is already broken on that. If he plays like crap, then the Broncos will likely cut bait and target a QB as a high priority in the draft. If he shows a lot of promise, then QB becomes a low priority. Not playing him is the worst thing the Broncos can do right now. They need to get some film on Tebow so that the incoming staff can make an adequate evaluation.

Yeah, but it would be better to find out now, before the upcoming draft, so we could maybe make some different plans for 2011, don't you think?!

Awesome.

Give a rookie QB a couple of games to evaluate his long term future and judge whether we need to draft yet another guy at this position?

Really is this what we've come to? From being a stable franchise and being patient enough to allow guys like Plummer/Cutler/Orton 30+ games to develop and show what they can do to being a knee jerk reaction fanbase ready to judge a QB's worth on three games left in the season?

Hilarious!

No thanks. I choose to be a level headed fan that is ready to support any young QB who clearly needs at least two years to start developing.

Anyone expecting a rookie QB who only months ago was still refining his throwing mechanics to come in and be anywhere close to ready is in McDaniels double-speak terms not smart or tough.

[tsiguy96]

if it was just a meeting to see his future post coach who drafted him, not a big deal. they need to bring someone in who can work with him however, a legit NFL QB coach, regardless of who the new HC is.

[fontaine]

Hell by THAT logic one of our biggest needs is Center. Walton has clearly struggled this season. Nevermind that he's a rookie and like all rookies needs time to grow into his role.

WE NEED TO DRAFT A NEW CENTER NOW!!!!!

[footstepsfrom#27]

I'm not necessarily against Tebow playing, but for most of you to pretend that we'd know what we have with him by throwing to the wolves here at the end of this wasted season, well, that's a pretty ridiculous claim.

It's going to be a crapshoot, depending on who the new coach is, what he is going to do with Tebow. If they commit to him, it's going to be a 2-3 year process before we know what we have. If not, gonna have to cut ties with him and look for a QB.

It's a tough situation. From Pat's perspective, you can't decree that the team will commit to Tebow and potentially weaken the pool of perspective coaches, but on the other hand, it would be beyond painful to commit significant resources yet again to the QB position.
I keep hearing this 2-3 years thing or something like it. What makes you think this guy is that far away? His throwing motion? Come on...quit buying into that bunk. The kid's sat for 13 games...that's almost an entire season anyway. As for Bowlen...it's clear his state of mind is nowhere near where it once was so who knows what he'll do or how he'll think this through but how can he even expect an educated answer from any new coaching prospect when the guy literally has nothing to go on in terms of deciding whether he wants to go with him or not?

Studsville has some illusion he's under consideration for this job, which is why Tebow sat yesterday. Hopefully the ass beating convinces him he's not staying here either and he plays the kid next week.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Awesome.

Give a rookie QB a couple of games to evaluate his long term future and judge whether we need to draft yet another guy at this position?

Really is this what we've come to? From being a stable franchise and being patient enough to allow guys like Plummer/Cutler/Orton 30+ games to develop and show what they can do to being a knee jerk reaction fanbase ready to judge a QB's worth on three games left in the season?
Well it makes even less sense to know NOTHING about how he can perform as a passer in a real NFL game and go into this draft with a top 5 pick and no way to know if we should be looking at QB or not. Why does it have to be about determing his future anyway? Can't it be about helping the kid get ready? What do you think will happen if he plays? He gets sacked a few times and starts crying and sucking his thumb? He's TIM FREAKNG TEBOW...let him play in the damn game.

[footstepsfrom#27]

You're telling me that we'll have a top 5 pick in the draft, one in which as many as 4 QB's could go in the top half of the first round, and KNOWING that we'll have a new coach who has NOTHING to go on in terms of deciding whether to keep the guy we actually MOVED UP to get in the first round...and it's a bad decision to give this kid some time to see what he's able to do? ARE YOU SERIOUS? Maybe it's better we go into the draft next year knowing nothing about how he can perform in a real game eh? If you want Tebow out of town...this is the best way to go about it.

[tsiguy96]

at this point, the season is lost and orton is playing bad. you have a rookie 1st rounder sitting on the bench. there literally is no reason not to get him some playing time, unless you are trying to spike ortons value, as he personally sees to it that his trade value plummets. you cannot go into 2011 without knowing if tebow has long term potential at the position.

if you think you are going to ruin tebow behind a mediocre-good oline in 3 games, you are kidding yourself.

[Broncoman13]

The truly unfortunate thing is that we didn't play Tebow this past week and may have ended up doing irreprable damage to Kyle Orton's trade value.

I don't think Orton's trade value was ever that high. He had a lot of junk time stats and was poor in situations that are critical for a QB. People like to point that we are constantly in 3rd and long situations, how much did we pass on first and second down though? I believe that most view Orton as an average or slightly below average QB that was in a very QB friendly system that allowed him to put up some decent stats. His trade value was at best that of a 4th rounder. But you are right in one regard, that 4th rounder is now a pipe dream. Seeing that he goes right back to being that below average guy without an offensive mastermind setting him up hurts what little trade value he once had.

It also doens't help that you have potentially three, first round QBs available in next year's draft... actually, the potential is that four could be first round picks if Luck and Newton both declare. Luck, Newton, Mallet and Locker will all likely be more sought after than Kyle Orton... and all have much higher upside than Orton.

[ohiobronco2]

You do realize he has to play at some point in his career, correct?

Yeah, but according to the playa, the only time to play him is when we are up 3 TD's in the 4th. Considering we don't get to play any Pee Wee teams, I don't see that happening. There is nothing wrong with playing him now. Team has hit rock bottom and we need to see what we have with Tebow. And :giggle: at people thinking if he stinks it up it will affect whatever trade value he has. Outside of McGenius, many thought of him as a FB in the NFL.

[Broncoman13]

You're telling me that we'll have a top 5 pick in the draft, one in which as many as 4 QB's could go in the top half of the first round, and KNOWING that we'll have a new coach who has NOTHING to go on in terms of deciding whether to keep the guy we actually MOVED UP to get in the first round...and it's a bad decision to give this kid some time to see what he's able to do? ARE YOU SERIOUS? Maybe it's better we go into the draft next year knowing nothing about how he can perform in a real game eh? If you want Tebow out of town...this is the best way to go about it.

Gotta agree with this too. A new coach will have absolutely nothing to go on in determining if Tebow is a fit.

So you're a new coach and premier signal callers such as Cam Newton and Ryan Mallet are available... perhaps even a chance at Andrew Luck. You think they're going to stand pat and go with Tebow?

If I'm in that position and I have no idea what kind of fit Tebow may be... I'm using those 2nd rounders to move up and draft Andrew Luck! And we can all agree that what we need more than a first round QB is a first round DLineman! We'd be much better off giving up our 1st rounder for the Pats two first rounders and addressing DL and Safety later in the first. The UNC studs that were suspended will fall some, but there aren't too many safeties that will have first round grades.

Bottom line, we need to give whoever our next coach is some game film on Tebow to at least have some sort of objectivity for the direction we will go. Without that I think the Broncos almost have to take that top tier QB in the first round.

[Broncoman13]

Yeah, but according to the playa, the only time to play him is when we are up 3 TD's in the 4th. Considering we don't get to play any Pee Wee teams, I don't see that happening. There is nothing wrong with playing him now. Team has hit rock bottom and we need to see what we have with Tebow. And :giggle: at people thinking if he stinks it up it will affect whatever trade value he has. Outside of McGenius, many thought of him as a FB in the NFL.

There is a good chance we'll be down by 3 TDs in the 4th though... We're playing for the future, that's the bottom line.

[tsiguy96]

Yeah, but according to the playa, the only time to play him is when we are up 3 TD's in the 4th. Considering we don't get to play any Pee Wee teams, I don't see that happening. There is nothing wrong with playing him now. Team has hit rock bottom and we need to see what we have with Tebow. And :giggle: at people thinking if he stinks it up it will affect whatever trade value he has. Outside of McGenius, many thought of him as a FB in the NFL.

prove it

[TailgateNut]

So you're saying YOU'RE NOT ONE OF DENVER FANS then?


No, he's one of those "Better than Thou" fans. ****ing arrogant asshole living in the ****hole of the USA.

[Swedish Extrovert]

****ing start Tebow... let him rely on old, bad habits... then fix them the next offseason. Whatever, I just don't care anymore.

[ColoradoDarin]

Unless maybe Bowlen is afraid Tebow might actualy spark something and screw up our draft order.

I think there might be some serious consideration to this. And I think it has to do with the lockout. We're having a draft next year, and let's assume that the whole season is locked out and we don't see any football next year. How is the draft in 2012 going to be ordered? If it's the same as 2011, then we'd have back to back top 5 picks with only one losing season. Okay, off with my tin foil hat now....

I can see both sides of this, there are some points to consider.

On one hand, I'd like to see what Tebow can do, throw him out there and let him play. Kid's a baller and this team needs a spark. Heck, I need a spark to watch.

On the other, he's been working on his throwing motion this whole year, it might be better for him to not play and revert back to that, and be stuck with that motion the rest of his career.

[Jesterhole]

Tebow should play. But because Bowlen won't let that happen in Oakland this week, it might not be until next week, if then.

In then end, I think he'll never get to play, and someone will come in, clean house, and we'll never get to see the guy on the field. Sucks.

[Jesterhole]

And if he plays like ****?

You realize the repercussions this team and Tebow will suffer if he sucks ass?

Don't agree. No one is going to have any expectations on him. If he sucks ass...well then we know that moving forward. We aren't putting him in there to see if he can restore the franchise in three games, we put him in there to evaluate if he can compete out there and make some NFL throws. We put him in there so we can decide what to do with our incoming top 3 draft pick.

Hell, how can you NOT want to see him in there? If we don't see him now, there is no reason someone else coming in will feel obligated to work with him.

[Kaylore]

Orton just hurts his trade value every time he steps on the field. At the rate he's going, by the end of the season we'll be lucky to get a 7th for him. Now the new GM and coach may want to keep Orton. And that's fine. But if they want to trade him, we should protect his value and bench him. We don't know what we have in Tebow and there is no better time to find out. Our season is over and there is literally nothing to lose by starting him. At the very least we could have a QB who doesn't collapse into the fetal position every time there is a even a sniff of pressure, or one who could run for what should be an easy first down, rather than throwing it to a tight end with stone hands.

Orton's annoying because when most QB's have a lot of time to make a throw, it means for sure it's being completed. Not Orton. After four seconds he curls up and takes a sack.

[zdoor]

Who cares about Orton's trade value... It's low regardless. I would guess a 5 and dropping. I think for the sake of knowing what we have and to give people some signs of hope, he needs to play. It can't get much worse and Tebow is not mentally fragile. Play him.

[Rulon Velvet Jones]

If they had a stable head coach, they wouldn't be 3-10.

[cmhargrove]

I can't beleive anyone wouldn't think this is the time to start Tebow. Its just silly not to give him a chance. Could he seriously do any worse than we just saw Orton play yesterday? Scratch that - for the last two games?

Play the kid, see what he's got. The rest of this year is just a determination of who will be here next year. Play Tebow now, there is absolutely nothing to lose, and possibly a huge amount to gain. If he looks like what we expected, the next draft can be heavy on the defense and this franchise could swing back towards the positive for a change.

Nothing to lose, everything to gain, no brainer. Start the kid.

[55CrushEm]

Yeah, I know I'm late to the party, and I'm sure echoing the sentiments many have already said.....but down by 30 points with 2 minutes to go......and WE'RE STILL NOT PLAYING TEBOW ?!?!?!

So here's a big......WTF!

[lostknight]

Guys, every sign here is that the organization has already made their evaluation of Tebow one way or another. And as hard as it is for perrenial winner Tebow to sit on the sidelines, and watch this team plummet to the bottom, it's also teaching him things that he has likely never learned before about what ways the chips fall when people fail to live up to expectation.

The front office has clearly decided that Tebow either is, or isn't the long term option. Given that Elway is joining the staff, plus everything that's been said, I am inclined to think that they do still think that Tebow is the answer. After getting rid of Cutler, do you really think Pat Bowlen is going to agree with any head coach that starts out by asking to ship Tebow?

[Maximus]

There's no better time to play Tebow. We need to know what we've got going into a potential lockout year. I know you're disappointed theCool, but get a grip man. It's still the Broncos here.

We're gonna sweep you with orton... Put TeBlows in and you definitely get crushed. What you have with TeBlows is a hard working project that isn't ready for primetime. Prepare for the draft, a new coach and more pain.

[CEH]

Bowlen needs to tell Studs that he will still get an interview after the season no matter the outcome of games so we need to see Tebow play.

[Jesterhole]

Bowlen needs to tell Studs that he will still get an interview after the season no matter the outcome of games so we need to see Tebow play.

More like Bowlen needs to tell Studs to play Tebow or else he'll trot out some other whipping boy in a head set for the next three games. It's not like Bowlen should or needs to care about what temp coach thinks. He's a McDaniels guy, meaning he is toxic and on his way out.

[fontaine]

Well it makes even less sense to know NOTHING about how he can perform as a passer in a real NFL game and go into this draft with a top 5 pick and no way to know if we should be looking at QB or not.

That's easy.

We shouldn't be looking at QB in the next draft anyway.

DL is a much bigger problem than the QB in this team.

[tsiguy96]

That's easy.

We shouldn't be looking at QB in the next draft anyway.

DL is a much bigger problem than the QB in this team.

absolutely, and its not even close. dline has been the problem for YEARS, and now they are in prime position to fix it with a top 5 pick.

[BroncosSR]

I love how there's people who think that Denver seemingly drafted the **ONE** QB in last year's draft that can't come in and contribute this year. This team is 3-10. There's no better time. The team is in need of a change, something to ****ing play for. Something for the fans to cheer about. Hell, John ****ING Skelton just came in for AZ and played good enough to win.

[fontaine]

Gotta agree with this too. A new coach will have absolutely nothing to go on in determining if Tebow is a fit.

So you're a new coach and premier signal callers such as Cam Newton and Ryan Mallet are available... perhaps even a chance at Andrew Luck. You think they're going to stand pat and go with Tebow?

If I'm in that position and I have no idea what kind of fit Tebow may be... I'm using those 2nd rounders to move up and draft Andrew Luck!

Right, a new HC has nothing to go on in determining Tebow is a fit but he does with Cam Newton/Mallet?
Hilarious!

Any HC worth a damn will know far more about Tebow than any QB draft prospect starting with how a young guy handles millions of dollars thrown at him, his work ethic and practice habits in the NFL.

All they have to do is talk to McDaniels, McCoy and a whole host of other coaches who've been around Tebow since the day he was drafted.

[Rohirrim]

Orton on the road. Tebow at home. Do it for the people in the stands who paid big money for the tickets.

[Taco John]

Other than getting bad press, is there an actual legitimate rationalization for not starting Tebow? I can't think of a single one.

[Garcia Bronco]

You people and Tim just need to exercise a little patience. He'll get his opportunity in 2 years.

[Garcia Bronco]

Other than getting bad press, is there an actual legitimate rationalization for not starting Tebow? I can't think of a single one.

As a PR person I think you know the answer. I wouldn't start him yet...not with this whiny fan base.

[bendog]

Other than getting bad press, is there an actual legitimate rationalization for not starting Tebow? I can't think of a single one.

If he sucks, jersey sales will plummet further.

[HAT]

Guys, every sign here is that the organization has already made their evaluation of Tebow one way or another. And as hard as it is for perrenial winner Tebow to sit on the sidelines, and watch this team plummet to the bottom, it's also teaching him things that he has likely never learned before about what ways the chips fall when people fail to live up to expectation.

The front office has clearly decided that Tebow either is, or isn't the long term option. Given that Elway is joining the staff, plus everything that's been said, I am inclined to think that they do still think that Tebow is the answer. After getting rid of Cutler, do you really think Pat Bowlen is going to agree with any head coach that starts out by asking to ship Tebow?

This, this and this. ^^^^^^^

[tsiguy96]

As a PR person I think you know the answer. I wouldn't start him yet...not with this whiny fan base.

good point. if he has a single interception, the whiney babies might give up on denver completely (maybe thats a good thing, they can go to the skins or texans, both having significantly better seasons than us Hilarious!)

[Chris]

Orton's contributions were never a big deal. He has the glamor stats but not the ones that matter. He doesn't help the team when they're down, he fails in pressure situations, atrocious on third downs, has not been a leader for weeks now (reminding me of Griese, even) and lately has simply been a miserable QB. People got so caught up in his push toward "5,000 yards!" that they failed to notice a significant chunk of them came when we were losing. Orton, simply, went wherever the wind blew. He never lead anything with the one exception of the Titans game. He is a game manager, that's it. The problem is game manager's can't win football games. The whole point of them is to not screw things up while the run-game or defense manhandles the opposition. We don't have a run-game. We don't have a defense.

I honestly do not get why Orton is still playing. His role is effectively over. His accumulation of stats are huge, huge red herrings when it comes to the state of the Broncos. The team itself is very obviously losing spirit. And, just as an observation, it looked like Orton himself didn't even want to be out there. So start Tebow with a week's worth of first-team practice. Give him some experience for next year.

If we play Tebow he will have to be our QB next year. I especially hate these "Well if he sucks we draft Luck!" statements. We can't operate on the thinking that a rookie QB, first-round pick, has only three games to prove anything. Not every rookie QB is going to be Dan Marino. Lots of great QBs had a tough go of things when they started (Elway, Manning, Young, etc.). And the kid isn't going to be "ruined" if he has a bad go of it. Tebow is a competitor. The only thing that will do is make him work harder if anything.

Denver is in such a bad shape right now that I believe we need to basically make the assumption that Tebow will be the QB of the future. Denver has so many holes all over the team the last thing we need to do is spend a first round pick on another QB. If we do it basically means this: there was literally nothing to salvage from this year.

I agree with all of that.

[Taco John]

As a PR person I think you know the answer. I wouldn't start him yet...not with this whiny fan base.


I don't think bad press is a legit excuse. We have to have some film on this guy, regardless of whether it's good or bad. It sucks that we're in this position, but it is what it is. We can't wish our way into knowing whether Tebow is a QBOTF or not. The only way we can get a sense of that is to watch him play.

[bendog]

whiney fan base. roflmao.

[Garcia Bronco]

I lost respect for Orton in August when I found out he and Stokley were hitting balls into the group in front of them. He's lucky it wasn't me or he never would have played this season.

[Taco John]

whiney fan base. roflmao.

Why can't people just be happy with three wins?

[bendog]

Why can't people just be happy with three wins?

Orton's 27 qb rating makes me giddy.

[go_broncos]

whiney fan base. roflmao.

Won 5 games in the last 23 and you are saying that we should not bitch..

[Garcia Bronco]

I don't think bad press is a legit excuse. We have to have some film on this guy, regardless of whether it's good or bad. It sucks that we're in this position, but it is what it is. We can't wish our way into knowing whether Tebow is a QBOTF or not. The only way we can get a sense of that is to watch him play.

Tebow is the QB. There is no doubt. We have film on him...if he has a bad game then people will want to throw him out too. Just play Orton and enjoy the show. We won't see Bronco football in December for two years.

[Garcia Bronco]

Why can't people just be happy with three wins?

Whatever...even when we win they whine. You know what I am talking about.

[Dagmar]

No, he's one of those "Better than Thou" fans. ****ing arrogant a-hole living in the ****hole of the USA.

His abuse of Denver residents is beginning to piss me off.

[DarkHorse30]

Who cares about Orton's trade value... It's low regardless. I would guess a 5 and dropping. I think for the sake of knowing what we have and to give people some signs of hope, he needs to play. It can't get much worse and Tebow is not mentally fragile. Play him.

This. Orton has played his way off of the first team. Continuing to play him means that every starter is always safe, no matter how bad he does. We've got 2 backup QBs and neither is better than the starter that continues to suck for 2-3 games straight? Wow, nice QB coaching, Ben.

[bendog]

Tebow is the QB. There is no doubt. We have film on him...if he has a bad game then people will want to throw him out too. Just play Orton and enjoy the show. We won't see Bronco football in December for two years.

You're wrong. If he plays like a rookie qb who can make some plays, people will be ok with it. This is the worst team Den has had since Lou Saban traded two one's for tensi and then used the third for bobby anderson to appease fans. People are pissed over the idiot personnel moves McD made, and they should be. The only people not pissed are people who for personal reasons have some reason to ignore the fact that outside of maybe carolina, this is the worst ****ing football team in the NFL. Most denver fans are fairly knowledgeable as fans go. They have become accustomed to seeing a quality product put forth, and that is not the case. McD shot a one for tebow, and they want to see if he's tebust or te-rifik.

[Kaylore]

Out of curiosity what is the bad press we would get by starting Tebow? If anything, it would make the Broncos relevant again.

[Missouribronc]

The team is rudderless. This is not the time you throw a rookie quarterback out there and just say, "have fun, young 'un. Good luck."

Denver fired the system and the playcaller. I didn't have the opportunity to see that POS game yesterday, but I'm guessing its just kind of a mish-mash of plays, with no real theme. I would imagine Studesville is calling plays, and I would imagine he's trying to copy McDaniels scheme, but he's certainly not the guy who wrote the playbook, and doesn't know it in and out like McDaniels did.

That is not the time to play a rookie quarterback. I still question whether Shanahan should have started Cutler against the Seahawks, but at least he was entering into a scheme that had been in place the entire year, and he had an OC and a head coach that had designed, developed and worked with the scheme, and capable playcallers.

Whether its an indictment or not of the McDaniels years, when he was fired, Denver lost both the head coach, the offensive coordinator and the playcaller. Don't throw Tebow out there now with no system, or at least the shreds of the system that was there without the guy who knows the plays the best.

Wait for the new system. Give him the offseason to learn it, and then put him out there.

[Rohirrim]

Starting Tebow against Oakland woud be a very nasty thing to do.

[2KBack]

The team is rudderless. This is not the time you throw a rookie quarterback out there and just say, "have fun, young 'un. Good luck."

Denver fired the system and the playcaller. I didn't have the opportunity to see that POS game yesterday, but I'm guessing its just kind of a mish-mash of plays, with no real theme. I would imagine Studesville is calling plays, and I would imagine he's trying to copy McDaniels scheme, but he's certainly not the guy who wrote the playbook, and doesn't know it in and out like McDaniels did.

That is not the time to play a rookie quarterback. I still question whether Shanahan should have started Cutler against the Seahawks, but at least he was entering into a scheme that had been in place the entire year, and he had an OC and a head coach that had designed, developed and worked with the scheme, and capable playcallers.

Whether its an indictment or not of the McDaniels years, when he was fired, Denver lost both the head coach, the offensive coordinator and the playcaller. Don't throw Tebow out there now with no system, or at least the shreds of the system that was there without the guy who knows the plays the best.

Wait for the new system. Give him the offseason to learn it, and then put him out there.

McCoy is calling the plays, something they said he has never done. Whether McD was a good coach or not may be up for debate, but his assistants sure don't seem to be. The whole staff is as inexperienced as McD was, if not more so. It's quite possible that McDaniels was actually the only decent football coach Denver had on staff. I'm not saying the firing can't be justified, I just think it sucks that he is was probably the only competent gameday coach and was spread too thin trying to do all the coordinating jobs.

[Mile High Shack]

Starting Tebow against Oakland woud be a very nasty thing to do.

playing Kyle Orton is just a nasty thing to do to us fans ^5

[bendog]

Starting Tebow against Oakland woud be a very nasty thing to do.

yeah, but I'd start him the last two home games. Oak is coming out pissed. Their D caved yesterday, and Cable is going to be really nasty all week.

[Captain 'Dre]

Tebow: A frustrated scrub for the badly-broken Broncos.



Ouch! ugh!~

[Captain 'Dre]

The only people not pissed are people who for personal reasons have some reason to ignore the fact that outside of maybe carolina, this is the worst ****ing football team in the NFL.

Ow! Stop it! ugh!~

[Crushisback]

I just want him to play so I have somthing interesting to watch.

[Popps]

Yet another article making the claim that we're going to just dump Tebow for some unknown reason. Our starter is struggling, we wouldn't get equal value in a trade and the fans love him. Yea... lots of reasons to dump him. ::)

[Captain 'Dre]

Why can't people just be happy with three wins?

Get real. Even fans of expansion teams aren't *happy* with 3 wins.

[bendog]

Get real. Even fans of expansion teams aren't *happy* with 3 wins.

Sarcasm went over your head, I'm afraid.

[Missouribronc]

McCoy is calling the plays, something they said he has never done. Whether McD was a good coach or not may be up for debate, but his assistants sure don't seem to be. The whole staff is as inexperienced as McD was, if not more so. It's quite possible that McDaniels was actually the only decent football coach Denver had on staff. I'm not saying the firing can't be justified, I just think it sucks that he is was probably the only competent gameday coach and was spread too thin trying to do all the coordinating jobs.

You don't throw a rookie quarterback into a situation as bad as this.

[bendog]

Ow! Stop it! ugh!~

really, we don't suck, really. Your eyes are just decieveing you. The players are really talented but seeing "josh" fired has just demoralized them. It's sad and unfair. Hilarious!

[bendog]

You don't throw a rookie quarterback into a situation as bad as this.

So the numbers Orton was putting up was just a mirage?

[Missouribronc]

So the numbers Orton was putting up was just a mirage?

No. I don't believe they were. But they fired the guy calling the plays.

[cmhargrove]

The team is rudderless. This is not the time you throw a rookie quarterback out there and just say, "have fun, young 'un. Good luck."

Denver fired the system and the playcaller. I didn't have the opportunity to see that POS game yesterday, but I'm guessing its just kind of a mish-mash of plays, with no real theme. I would imagine Studesville is calling plays, and I would imagine he's trying to copy McDaniels scheme, but he's certainly not the guy who wrote the playbook, and doesn't know it in and out like McDaniels did.

That is not the time to play a rookie quarterback. I still question whether Shanahan should have started Cutler against the Seahawks, but at least he was entering into a scheme that had been in place the entire year, and he had an OC and a head coach that had designed, developed and worked with the scheme, and capable playcallers.

Whether its an indictment or not of the McDaniels years, when he was fired, Denver lost both the head coach, the offensive coordinator and the playcaller. Don't throw Tebow out there now with no system, or at least the shreds of the system that was there without the guy who knows the plays the best.

Wait for the new system. Give him the offseason to learn it, and then put him out there.

Why do people constantly think that we would just be "throwing Tebow out there?" Do you honestly think he can't play football.

If we had run the exact same gameplan, but had a QB that could avoid a little pressure and complete a few third down passes, we would have beat the Cardinals. Why do you think Tebow isn't capable of that? Or, another question, why hasn't he deserved a chance to try?

You keep thinking that playing a rough game as a rookie will "damage" Tebow's development but I think you sorely misunderstand his potential. The kid thrives on adversity, and has done nothing his entire career but find ways to win.

I think that if/when he gets his shot, he will make you proud to be a Bronco fan, win or lose. The kid will leave no doubt that he left everything on the field for his team. I think Bronco Nation could use some of that spirit - win or lose.

[Captain 'Dre]

really, we don't suck, really. Your eyes are just decieveing you. The players are really talented but seeing "josh" fired has just demoralized them. It's sad and unfair. Hilarious!

Just because you have a cesspool in the backyard doesn't mean you have to go for a swim in it! ugh!~

[2KBack]

So the numbers Orton was putting up was just a mirage?

I don't see a single person saying that putting in Tebow is a bad idea because of performance. I think people are worried about what damage could be done to Tebow's development/body/psyche

[RaiderH8r]

Starting Tebow against Oakland woud be a very nasty thing to do.

Tebow's walked into bigger, more hostile environments and survived. Well, maybe not "likely to get shot" hostile but as far as what fans can throw at a person and not get jailed for a significant amount of time....he's handled it.

And oh sweet sweet misery should Tebow beat the Fade. I'm telling you, clubs aren't even blitzing Orton anymore. They'll rush 4 and if Orton "scrambles" nobody comes off of coverage because they don't have to. They know, even with a 20 yard head start, anybody in the league can run Kyle down before he scampers out the easy 8 yd gain. Tebow immediately presents a problem that nobody has gameplanned for when facing Denver. All of the sudden the bootleg, (anybody remember those? Buehler, Buehler?) or an improvised play when the pocket breaks down (anybody remember those? Buehler, Buehler?) becomes a legitimate threat. All of the sudden a DB has to choose to break coverage to prevent the run or risk the QB scrambling for an 8yd gain on a 3rd and 7 and converting a first down. Does anybody remember that QBs can, and have, scrambled for first downs on third and long? Anybody?

Bring in the kid. Bring him in now. Announce it at today's presser and get going on the future. It really is the only thing that has any chance of making anybody in Bronco Country take notice of this team again. Because, let's face it, we just got waxed by the AZ Cardinals and some Skelton guy. My apathy is only being held in check by my idiotic and apparently naive optimism that this club will show anything that resembles a pro level effort.

[bendog]

I don't see a single person saying that putting in Tebow is a bad idea because of performance. I think people are worried about what damage could be done to Tebow's development/body/psyche

It's gonna scar his psyche?

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Why do people constantly think that we would just be "throwing Tebow out there?" Do you honestly think he can't play football.

If we had run the exact same gameplan, but had a QB that could avoid a little pressure and complete a few third down passes, we would have beat the Cardinals. Why do you think Tebow isn't capable of that? Or, another question, why hasn't he deserved a chance to try?

You keep thinking that playing a rough game as a rookie will "damage" Tebow's development but I think you sorely misunderstand his potential. The kid thrives on adversity, and has done nothing his entire career but find ways to win.

I think that if/when he gets his shot, he will make you proud to be a Bronco fan, win or lose. The kid will leave no doubt that he left everything on the field for his team. I think Bronco Nation could use some of that spirit - win or lose.

I agree. All that stuff is just talk. Its not like Orton got sacked 500 times yesterday. Give Tim a friggin shot, but give him a full week with the ones. I'm so bored watching this team, give us a chance to glimpse the future?

[RaiderH8r]

It's gonna scar his psyche?

His body? Christ, the guy eats rocks and ****s gunpowder...I'm pretty sure he's even got muscles in his turds. He's a physical freak for any position, leg alone QB. People even talk up moving him to FB, LB, wherever. The NFL doesn't let QBs take beatings anymore. They're protected like menageries. Tebow's body will be fine. His psyche has handled tougher and his development will need incorporate game day experience at some point. Of course, I'm old fashioned that way.

[2KBack]

It's gonna scar his psyche?

From what I know of the kid, I doubt it...but If he goes out there and gets beat mercilessly and his team collapses around him as badly as it has been recently, it could certainly crack a superstar turned rookie back up.

[Missouribronc]

I don't see a single person saying that putting in Tebow is a bad idea because of performance. I think people are worried about what damage could be done to Tebow's development/body/psyche

cmhargrove: This.

[ScottXray]

The team is rudderless. This is not the time you throw a rookie quarterback out there and just say, "have fun, young 'un. Good luck."

Denver fired the system and the playcaller. I didn't have the opportunity to see that POS game yesterday, but I'm guessing its just kind of a mish-mash of plays, with no real theme. I would imagine Studesville is calling plays, and I would imagine he's trying to copy McDaniels scheme, but he's certainly not the guy who wrote the playbook, and doesn't know it in and out like McDaniels did.

That is not the time to play a rookie quarterback. I still question whether Shanahan should have started Cutler against the Seahawks, but at least he was entering into a scheme that had been in place the entire year, and he had an OC and a head coach that had designed, developed and worked with the scheme, and capable playcallers.

Whether its an indictment or not of the McDaniels years, when he was fired, Denver lost both the head coach, the offensive coordinator and the playcaller. Don't throw Tebow out there now with no system, or at least the shreds of the system that was there without the guy who knows the plays the best.

Wait for the new system. Give him the offseason to learn it, and then put him out there.


Since You didn't see the game you might have had a valid point. However the play calling came from Mccoy (the O-coord under McD) and frankly there was no difference I could detect in the calls. There was a significant differnce in performance as Orton looked almost as bad as he did against KC, and this game he couldn't seem to find an open receiver, and when he did he was off target, as before. Yesterdays plan seemed to involve Royal as the primary go to guy, more than deep throws to Lloyd, probably to try to confuse Arizona. It didn't work. Orton of course, locked in on him too much.

The scheme is not different, it is the same.

Tebow has been learning the scheme that is in place for the offseason and 13 weeks of this season and NOW is the time to get him reps because he IS familiar with what is going on. Next year there will be a new scheme and a new coaching staff, and new goals for what happens on the field and how we go about it. Unfamiliarity causes confusion, and he has almost a full year
of learning what this offense is about. Next year he will be a rookie, all over again. How is a new coach supposed to evaluate that?

I don't see him starting in Oakland. But if the staff does not give him the start in the last 2 games then we have ZERO to evaluate him for next year. It WILL be opportunity lost. He needs to get a lot of reps with the first string starting now in order to be ready in 2 weeks. Then you just let the chips fall and hope that McD knew what he was doing with Tebow.

And if he lays an egg, so what. He is a big boy and has lost before. ( not often). And the film will show the truth.

I would think that sitting on a bench and not being even given a CHANCE to play is much more damaging to his confidence than anything. He is being told that he isn't even as good as someone that is AWFUL and hurting the team. That is the crime here.

[RaiderH8r]

From what I know of the kid, I doubt it...but If he goes out there and gets beat mercilessly and his team collapses around him as badly as it has been recently, it could certainly crack a superstar turned rookie back up.

I think this team is as bored with its performance as the fans are. Putting Tebow out there might actually get them interested in playing football again. Certainly won't hurt attendance for the last two home games.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

From what I know of the kid, I doubt it...but If he goes out there and gets beat mercilessly and his team collapses around him as badly as it has been recently, it could certainly crack a superstar turned rookie back up.

Or...he could <gasp> HAVE SUCCESS! He's gotta play sometime! might as well give him the shot now.

[Missouribronc]

Tebow's walked into bigger, more hostile environments and survived. Well, maybe not "likely to get shot" hostile but as far as what fans can throw at a person and not get jailed for a significant amount of time....he's handled it.

And every single time he did that. He had Urban Meyer at his back, with the same system he'd ran for three and four years, and the same playcaller (Although Dan Mullen did leave at one point). Things are just different on this team.

[srphoenix]

I don't see a single person saying that putting in Tebow is a bad idea because of performance. I think people are worried about what damage could be done to Tebow's development/body/psyche

It's not like Tebow is this socially inept bubble boy made of glass. He played SEC football at Florida, not exactly high school atmosphere games with only parents in the stands. Additionally the kid was born to missionaries in the Philippines where people are shot and natural disasters are commonplace. The last thing that is going to damage his psyche is a football game. He's been consistently rediculed for being the wrong kind of QB, for not having what it takes to succeed in the nfl, and even personally for being an outspoken Christian and appearing in pro life ads. He's even come out and said publicly that he is a virgin waiting till marriage. You don't think he gets some ridicule for that??? A game at Oakland is no walk in the self esteem park but I'm pretty confident this guy can handle it.

[bendog]

If tebow is a leader, the team won't quit on him. Clady didn't just magically turn into a cancer. Moreno wasn't worth the 11th pick, but he hasn't stopped running. Orton's collapsed after th firing. Lloyd IS a cancerous type player. Cox getting arrested was a gut punch to the defense. The team quit cause Orton quit.

Christ, get a clue people.

[Taco John]

I didn't have the opportunity to see that POS game yesterday, but I'm guessing its just kind of a mish-mash of plays, with no real theme.


It looked like Josh was out calling plays, to be quite honest. You wouldn't know that the head coach was fired if you were just judging it on the game plan and play calling.

[peacepipe]

If Tebow doesn't play it will probably,IMO, mean he's getting traded. He was a Josh McDaniels pick.

[bronco militia]

Yet another article making the claim that we're going to just dump Tebow for some unknown reason. Our starter is struggling, we wouldn't get equal value in a trade and the fans love him. Yea... lots of reasons to dump him. ::)

(looks at Jay Cutler fiasco)

never say never

[2KBack]

Or...he could <gasp> HAVE SUCCESS! He's gotta play sometime! might as well give him the shot now.

Don't get me wrong, I was hoping to see the switch made yesterday too, and would support him starting the rest of the season. I saw that because I think we need to find out what he's got though. One thing we know at this point is that the system is broken, and he is the only guy that can do anything when the system fails.

That said, I totally understand the concerns people have putting him out there in possibly the worst situation in the league.

[RaiderH8r]

And every single time he did that. He had Urban Meyer at his back, with the same system he'd ran for three and four years, and the same playcaller (Although Dan Mullen did leave at one point). Things are just different on this team.

Waiting to put him out there isn't going to change any of that. Urban will still have his back; I'm sure he'll still take Tim's phone call. And he's going to be running a different system regardless.

Things are different on this team but the game is the same. The guy isn't the fine China you never use because "the occasion isn't right". He's an NFL QB and if he can't handle it then it is better to know sooner rather than later. If he's going to mentally collapse (highly unlikely) then let's get on with it. My gut is that Orton has checked out, the team is uninspired, the coaches are all filling out their resume's and everybody has short timer's syndrome. So we can go with the status quo (also risking the development and psyches of our other rookies. Why doesn't anybody give a **** about them?) or we pump a little give a **** into this team by pulling the trigger on the most highly anticipated NFL rookie in some time and arguably the best college player in history. People start to notice, people will start to care and maybe, just maybe, this organization will be able to pull its head out of its collective ass and decide they care about playing football too.

The status quo is the Ambien of NFL football. "Oh look, Denver's getting the crap kicked out of them again. Let's see what Fritz is cooking over on PBS tonight."

[Rohirrim]

The status quo is the Ambien of NFL football. "Oh look, Denver's getting the crap kicked out of them again. Let's see what Fritz is cooking over on PBS tonight."

Hilarious!

I just don't see any point to putting Tebow out on the field against the Raiders. Why let the Crypt Keeper rake in the coin and sell more tickets? **** that. I say, next week, if Orton manages to get through the Oakland game alive, Studs announces that Tebow will be starting against Houston. He practices with the first string all week and Denver fills Mile High with all the Tebowmaniacs. **** the Raiders. Make Tebow's debut a home town event.

[RaiderH8r]

Hilarious!

I just don't see any point to putting Tebow out on the field against the Raiders. Why let the Crypt Keeper rake in the coin and sell more tickets? **** that. I say, next week, if Orton manages to get through the Oakland game alive, Studs announces that Tebow will be starting against Houston. He practices with the first string all week and Denver fills Mile High with all the Tebowmaniacs. **** the Raiders. Make Tebow's debut a home town event.

That's probably the best argument against the Tebow move I've heard.

I would start incporating him into first team reps this week at the very least.

[ColoradoDarin]

Other than getting bad press, is there an actual legitimate rationalization for not starting Tebow? I can't think of a single one.

Color me surprised that you can't think outside your viewpoint.

:deadhorse

[Dagmar]

If tebow is a leader, the team won't quit on him. Clady didn't just magically turn into a cancer. Moreno wasn't worth the 11th pick, but he hasn't stopped running. Orton's collapsed after th firing. Lloyd IS a cancerous type player. Cox getting arrested was a gut punch to the defense. The team quit cause Orton quit.

Christ, get a clue people.

Well done.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Hilarious!

I just don't see any point to putting Tebow out on the field against the Raiders. Why let the Crypt Keeper rake in the coin and sell more tickets? **** that. I say, next week, if Orton manages to get through the Oakland game alive, Studs announces that Tebow will be starting against Houston. He practices with the first string all week and Denver fills Mile High with all the Tebowmaniacs. **** the Raiders. Make Tebow's debut a home town event.

I agree. Well, i dont care about Al Davis's financial gain, but yeah, start him against Houston in a friendly environment

[loborugger]

I agree. Well, i dont care about Al Davis's financial gain, but yeah, start him against Houston in a friendly environment

A friendly environment against a subpar secondary.

[Rulon Velvet Jones]

If he plays in Oakland and manages to get a win, doesn't that boost sales even more for a home game back in Denver? I don't think those sales are going to fall off if he loses. They're good either way.

[bendog]

If he plays in Oakland and manages to get a win, doesn't that boost sales even more for a home game back in Denver? I don't think those sales are going to fall off if he loses. They're good either way.

The games are sold out, and no sane person would buy a club seat to see this crap when the people left holding these tickets would be grateful to have anyone want to take them off their hands

[Beantown Bronco]

If he plays in Oakland and manages to get a win, doesn't that boost sales even more for a home game back in Denver? I don't think those sales are going to fall off if he loses. They're good either way.

Pretty tough to effect sales at this point when the game sold out back in the summer. Now attendance? That's a different matter.

[cmhargrove]

cmhargrove: This.

I understand your point, I just couldn't disagree more.

You don't break a player like Tebow with adversity - physically or mentally. Like him or not, he is a rare human being. Quite possibly, he is the rare type of Qb like Elway that will do anything to win, and often does.

You will not damage Tebow by letting the Raiders sack him five times. You will light his fire and find out what he's made of.

As a football coach (and father of three players myself) I always say that you never play football with a fear of injury, because it is more likely that you will get hurt. Tim Tebow is a big boy, and you might be surprised that he responds with a helicopter run at the goal line. I, for one, would be proud to watch that spirit in a Broncos uniform.

[bendog]

I understand your point, I just couldn't disagree more.

You don't break a player like Tebow with adversity - physically or mentally. Like him or not, he is a rare human being. Quite possibly, he is the rare type of Qb like Elway that will do anything to win, and often does.

You will not damage Tebow by letting the Raiders sack him five times. You will light his fire and find out what he's made of.

As a football coach (and father of three players myself) I always say that you never play football with a fear of injury, because it is more likely that you will get hurt. Tim Tebow is a big boy, and you might be surprised that he responds with a helicopter run at the goal line. I, for one, would be proud to watch that spirit in a Broncos uniform.

Not the faide. they have to have this game. Jesus Christ couldn't motivate the broncos to be the team with more heart next week

[RaiderH8r]

Not the faide. they have to have this game. Jesus Christ couldn't motivate the broncos to be the team with more heart next week

I like Jesus very much, but he no help with curveball.

[ColoradoDarin]

I like Jesus very much, but he no help with curveball.

You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball??!?!?!

[TheReverend]

You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball??!?!?!

He doesn't look all that athletic.

[ColoradoDarin]

He doesn't look all that athletic.

Bzzzzt!

I'm sorry, the next correct "Major League (http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Major_League)" quote is "Let's not start a holy war now."

[TheReverend]

Bzzzzt!

I'm sorry, the next correct "Major League (http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Major_League)" quote is "Let's not start a holy war now."

****

[fontaine]

Maybe I'm one of the only ones left here that wants the team to win.

Any ****ing game the Broncos play shouldn't be a tryout. I want the best players to start especially against a division rival.

Even though Orton sucks right now we've got a better shot to win with him instead of a rookie QB who's still working on his throwing mechanics.

If he continues to suck and throw stupid ints, then maybe, Tebow can take over at some point in the game.

But right now, I could care less about finding out what a rookie QB will do in his first season start. I'm far more interested in handing a beat down to the fade.

[Durango]

I can't understand why Tebow can't get some 1st team reps during weekly practice and limited game snaps during the final three games.

He doesn't have to start, necessarily, but some limited game action AND 1st team practice reps would be a welcome sight in this generally wasted 2010 season.

I think right now the current staff is just trying to find some way to remain competitive and the Tebow question is far down the priority list.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Maybe I'm one of the only ones left here that wants the team to win.

Any ****ing game the Broncos play shouldn't be a tryout. I want the best players to start especially against a division rival.

Even though Orton sucks right now we've got a better shot to win with him instead of a rookie QB who's still working on his throwing mechanics.

If he continues to suck and throw stupid ints, then maybe, Tebow can take over at some point in the game.

But right now, I could care less about finding out what a rookie QB will do in his first season start. I'm far more interested in handing a beat down to the fade.

Honestly, I dont think that Orton gives the team a chance to win at all. He's out there moping around like Jay Cutler without the fastball.

[TheReverend]

Honestly, I dont think that Orton gives the team a chance to win at all. He's out there moping around like Jay Cutler without the fastball, mobility, reads, hot girlfriend

Ftfy

[gyldenlove]

Honestly, I dont think that Orton gives the team a chance to win at all. He's out there moping around like Jay Cutler without the fastball.

Given that we currently have no plan, there is no reason to keep the offensive in tact. Whoever becomes coach next will surely make changes anyway, so making some changes now will not upset any progression.

I still think Tebow will get killed if he is put in there or revert to his toy car like windup motion, but we have nothing to lose right now so give the kid a shot, at least if he sucks like a Dyson vacuum we can draft a new QB.

[Missouribronc]

Given that we currently have no plan, there is no reason to keep the offensive in tact. Whoever becomes coach next will surely make changes anyway, so making some changes now will not upset any progression.

I still think Tebow will get killed if he is put in there or revert to his toy car like windup motion, but we have nothing to lose right now so give the kid a shot, at least if he sucks like a Dyson vacuum we can draft a new QB.

There is nothing to win, either.

[Broncos4Life]

Maybe I'm one of the only ones left here that wants the team to win.

Any ****ing game the Broncos play shouldn't be a tryout. I want the best players to start especially against a division rival.

Even though Orton sucks right now we've got a better shot to win with him instead of a rookie QB who's still working on his throwing mechanics.

If he continues to suck and throw stupid ints, then maybe, Tebow can take over at some point in the game.

But right now, I could care less about finding out what a rookie QB will do in his first season start. I'm far more interested in handing a beat down to the fade.

Great post dude. You act like all of a sudden Orton is gonna win us a game or something. You really think that after the way he played against a bad team in the Cards that hes gonna somehow step it up and play good against the Raiders.

I think he continues to make bad decisions if he starts. I also think he'll be lucky to actually hold a starting job in the NFL after his services are no longer needed, which hopefully will be sooner than later.

****, even Shanny would have had Tebow in already, to see what he has to work with. That said, I definitly don't want him to start the game in Oakland, but he should be given a chance to come in WHEN Orton starts stinking it up and throwing the game away. Because it will happen. And hopefully Tebow will get the chance to start our last two home games.

[errand]

There's no better time to play Tebow. We need to know what we've got going into a potential lockout year. I know you're disappointed theCool, but get a grip man. It's still the Broncos here.

I just wonder if you ass clowns are gonna give Tebow more than 27 games before you want him gone too....

[gyldenlove]

There is nothing to win, either.

Except 3 games, some feeling of success, playing experience and momentum going into the offseason and next season.

[bronco militia]

I just wonder if you ass clowns are gonna give Tebow more than 27 games before you want him gone too....

LOL

it must be 2002 all over again. errand and TJ fighting about the QB. Hilarious!

[bendog]

If tebow's as good as Cutler, I'll be bubbling with happiness ... and surprised too, honestly. I'm hoping. If he can't start the last two homegames for a team that looks to be 3-11, it isn't gonna be a good sign.

[Great13]

Colt McCoy was thrown to the wolves @ Pittsburgh in his first start. And that was a guy who was on the bubble of even making the team in Cleveland (I remember reading that somewhere at the start of the season). He took his lumps, got sacked 5 times, but bounced back the next week @ New Orleans and played well enough for the Browns to win.

That being said, I'd rather have 3 games of film on Tebow, including one on the road against a divisional rival in one of the most hostile environments (The Black Hole) in the AFC. Yeah, the Raiders are pissed, and will be coming after him. Chances are good he goes out there and stinks it up and gets knocked around, but the most telling part of this entire ordeal will be how he bounces back. Can he bounce back and come out fighting the next week or does he hang his head and trot out like a pig being led to slaughter ala Orton?

I think that is more important than cherry picking a home sellout against the worst pass defense in the league (Houston). Granted we haven't been playing worth a damn, but if Tebow plays against the Texans and lights it up, or plays decently, I'll be excited, but I'll have to temper that with the knowledge that he was playing in possibly one of the best possible situations.

I just think you can tell more about a leader by how they perform in and respond to adverse situations. I think the time is now to start Tebow. Toss him in the fire and see what comes out.

[enjolras]

If tebow's as good as Cutler, I'll be bubbling with happiness ... and surprised too, honestly. I'm hoping. If he can't start the last two homegames for a team that looks to be 3-11, it isn't gonna be a good sign.

It's not about Tebow, it's about Orton. As a coach your trying to figure out how to keep Orton engaged going into next season. Throwing his replacement onto the field poses some issues with that.

See: Jake Plummer

[errand]

LOL

it must be 2002 all over again. errand and TJ fighting about the QB. Hilarious!

Tj's never come down on the right side of any QB argument, especially with me. He likes Tebow I'm guessing, so do I.

Do I think Tebow can be a good Qb in the NFL...sure. I think the same about Orton. I just think that the guy who can actually turn them into good QB's is no longer our head coach.

Whether you like him or not you'd be lying if you said mcDaniels couldn't coach QB's. Brady, Cassell, and Orton are guys that nobody originally thought would be starters and yet they have become pretty good players under McDaniel's guidance....

Brady is about as sure fire a hall of famer as anyone....Cassell is playing at a high level, and so was Orton....that is until Josh got canned. Not sure if that's why he's not played well the past two weeks, but then again who knows?

again, i'll cheer the Broncos even if TJ was our QB....until he proved to be a gutless one hit wonder like Griese was.....

[go_broncos]

Colt McCoy was thrown to the wolves @ Pittsburgh in his first start. And that was a guy who was on the bubble of even making the team in Cleveland (I remember reading that somewhere at the start of the season). He took his lumps, got sacked 5 times, but bounced back the next week @ New Orleans and played well enough for the Browns to win.

That being said, I'd rather have 3 games of film on Tebow, including one on the road against a divisional rival in one of the most hostile environments (The Black Hole) in the AFC. Yeah, the Raiders are pissed, and will be coming after him. Chances are good he goes out there and stinks it up and gets knocked around, but the most telling part of this entire ordeal will be how he bounces back. Can he bounce back and come out fighting the next week or does he hang his head and trot out like a pig being led to slaughter ala Orton?

I think that is more important than cherry picking a home sellout against the worst pass defense in the league (Houston). Granted we haven't been playing worth a damn, but if Tebow plays against the Texans and lights it up, or plays decently, I'll be excited, but I'll have to temper that with the knowledge that he was playing in possibly one of the best possible situations.

I just think you can tell more about a leader by how they perform in and respond to adverse situations. I think the time is now to start Tebow. Toss him in the fire and see what comes out.

Tebow is not starting against OAK..Studesville said that Orton is going to start against OAK.

[RaiderH8r]

It's not about Tebow, it's about Orton. As a coach your trying to figure out how to keep Orton engaged going into next season. Throwing his replacement onto the field poses some issues with that.

See: Jake Plummer

I don't care about Orton being engaged next season. That's the problem of whoever he ends up with after he gets cut.

[bendog]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp10/news/story?id=5478172

No one is taking Orton off Den's hands.

[errand]

It's not about Tebow, it's about Orton. As a coach your trying to figure out how to keep Orton engaged going into next season. Throwing his replacement onto the field poses some issues with that.

See: Jake Plummer

Exactly...it's tough enough playing against two defenses like Jake and Orrton have had to do without looking over your shoulder and wondering if the head coach will wilt under fan/media pressure and replace you with some hotshot rookie....

[RaiderH8r]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp10/news/story?id=5478172

No one is taking Orton off Den's hands.

Oh, don't we know it. Break out the ceremonial scissors, it's cutting time.

[Great13]

Tebow is not starting against OAK..Studesville said that Orton is going to start against OAK.

This I know. I was just stating the my argument about why i believe that was the wrong decision.

[errand]

I don't care about Orton being engaged next season. That's the problem of whoever he ends up with after he gets cut.

Wow, 3700 yards with 20 Td's and only 9 INT's is a problem.....

Meanwhile a defense that ranks near bottom of the Mariana's Trench isn't a problem......I will say this, and i could very well be wrong...QB is the least of this team's problems.

McDaniel's should have drafted a top notch defender instead of Tebow...or even Thomas. they'll both prove to be good players in my opinion, but they don't play defense, and that's why we're 3-10. cuz there's no D in _enver

[bendog]

Oh, don't we know it. Break out the ceremonial scissors, it's cutting time.

Orton is GUARANTEED 5.5 million, and there's going to be a lockout.

[bronco militia]

FYI, woody paige wrote this article

[bendog]

FYI, woody paige wrote this article

yeah, I sorta have a hard time thinking tebow actually requested a meeting with Ellis.

[~Crash~]

So to all the McD nut Huggers does this mean Tebow is now a ungrateful like that crappy Cutler ...

So should we trade Tebow.Hilarious!

[~Crash~]

strang that a QB should want the francise to be behind him .;D

[bendog]

Cutler was a pissant, but you have to be blind not to realize McD wanted him gone because he was shanny's guy. It's the billicheat way. Get rid of the previous qb to qwell any lockerroom dissent before it even starts.

[go_broncos]

Wow, 3700 yards with 20 Td's and only 9 INT's is a problem.....

Meanwhile a defense that ranks near bottom of the Mariana's Trench isn't a problem......I will say this, and i could very well be wrong...QB is the least of this team's problems.

McDaniel's should have drafted a top notch defender instead of Tebow...or even Thomas. they'll both prove to be good players in my opinion, but they don't play defense, and that's why we're 3-10. cuz there's no D in _enver

Most of the yards came in garbage time..Orton sucks under pressure..

[snowspot66]

Most of the yards came in garbage time..Orton sucks under pressure..

Will you stop with that bull****? It's just not true.

[RaiderH8r]

Wow, 3700 yards with 20 Td's and only 9 INT's is a problem.....

Meanwhile a defense that ranks near bottom of the Mariana's Trench isn't a problem......I will say this, and i could very well be wrong...QB is the least of this team's problems.

McDaniel's should have drafted a top notch defender instead of Tebow...or even Thomas. they'll both prove to be good players in my opinion, but they don't play defense, and that's why we're 3-10. cuz there's no D in _enver

I don't disagree that D was/is a more pressing area of concern. However, this is the situation we have before us and wishing it away isn't going to do any good.

Orton isn't the answer. Period. He wasn't when we got him and he isn't now. He's a stopgap and he has failed at that task. He's racked up the stats but falls short in crunch time and at the expense of a running attack.

Our D played fine in the face of turnovers in the first half yesterday. I can't comment on the second half because at the end of the 3rd quarter I was ****faced with dispair...and whiskey. More the whiskey but dispair definitely contributed.

You would think that with a D this ****ty that a coach would run the ball to shorten the game. But I guess that guy is ****canned now. Tebow gives us a better chance to win than Orton. There, I said it. Tebow may have a wind up that starts in Tennessee and ends in Maine but he also has mobility, size, speed, a good arm, an accurate arm, agility, youth, desire, and passion. Let the kid play. What is the worst that happens? He gets killed and we draft a QB? He plays ****ty and we lose more games that we'll likely lose with Orton back there anyway? Fans get a change of pace? Interest picks up if only for a minute? Where is the down side? If Tebow gets destroyed so be it. The Haters will get to be right. If he's serviceable so be it. If he's great so be it. But at least we'll know. How many reps with a towel under the arm does a fella need to fix his motion before he's ready to play?

Orton is smaller, weaker, slower, and dumber than Tebow but nobody seems to worry about whether or not he'll get killed. That bloated liver can only take so many shots before it quits too. In fact, Orton's liver may be the only part of that dude that is working these days.

[bendog]

Will you stop with that bull****? It's just not true.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/comeback.cgi?player=OrtoKy00

unfortunately, it is.

[OABB]

So to all the McD nut Huggers does this mean Tebow is now a ungrateful like that crappy Cutler ...

So should we trade Tebow.Hilarious!

Only if Tebow is a big enough cock sucker not to answer his phone if the owner of the team calls him.

I mean, who would put up with that?

[Taco John]

Tj's never come down on the right side of any QB argument, especially with me. He likes Tebow I'm guessing, so do I.



I've come down on the right side of EVERY qb argument. Every single one.

[OABB]

I've come down on the right side of EVERY qb argument. Every single one.

I'm a relative newb. What have your arguments been? I'm serious, and very curious.

[snowspot66]

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/comeback.cgi?player=OrtoKy00

unfortunately, it is.

I was talking about his yardage. It's just one more bull**** phrase that gets thrown around here and people start to believe it's true.

[bendog]

I've come down on the right side of EVERY qb argument. Every single one.

I'd have been fine with trading the Sulkcannon, but only if we now had Josh Freeman, Ayers, Earl Thomas and Dan Williams too.

[Taco John]

I'm a relative newb. What have your arguments been? I'm serious, and very curious.

Griese - Cutting him is a waste when he's willing to play back-up. Bring in another QB, let them compete. Cutting him will accelerate cap money that we can use on OL or DL.

Plummer - The guy chokes in big games. Just wait and see. We'll go far into the playoffs with him, and he'll turn the ball over several times and make it impossible to win.

Cutler - He'll be a pro-bowler some day.

Orton - He's Griese 2.0. He's not spectacular, but he's a hard worker, smart, and has a good enough arm to stretch the field a couple times a game. Probably not a superbowl calibre guy unless we have an awesome defense.

[Atwater His Ass]

No way does Bowlen just hire a coach that isn't interested in coaching Tebow. In fact I don't think many guys would even think of taking the job just to trade Tim and draft another QB in the 1st round. Can you imagine the revolt if that happened? Not only is Tim an investment to the Broncos because of his 1st round draft status, alot of people shelled out plenty of cash to wear his jersey. And it wasn't like they all blindly did it. A lot of us think he is talented, and can make an impact. And just from listening to the vets on the team talk about him, it seem he can have an impact on the team, not just on the offense.

You think Bowlen cares if you bought a jersey? Hilarious!

He just let McD trade Cutler away after what the team invested in him with Cutler coming off a pretty ****ing good season. You were around for this, yes?

Bowlen could potentially drastically reduce the number of HC canidates if he forces them to stick with Tebow.

Tebow's future with this team is in a lot of jeporady at this point.

[bendog]

I was talking about his yardage. It's just one more bull**** phrase that gets thrown around here and people start to believe it's true.

He sucks at coming from behind in the 4th. That's why McD was fired, in essense. There are many ways how McD got there, but that is the bottom line. He traded this, to get that.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/comeback.cgi?player=CutlJa00

[OABB]

Griese - Cutting him is a waste when he's willing to play back-up. Bring in another QB, let them compete. Cutting him will accelerate cap money that we can use on OL or DL.

Plummer - The guy chokes in big games. Just wait and see. We'll go far into the playoffs with him, and he'll turn the ball over several times and make it impossible to win.

Cutler - He'll be a pro-bowler some day.

Orton - He's Griese 2.0. He's not spectacular, but he's a hard worker, smart, and has a good enough arm to stretch the field a couple times a game. Probably not a superbowl calibre guy unless we have an awesome defense.

What is your feeling on Tebow?

[Rascal]

This offense has scored 20 or more points only 7 times.

Orton has entered into his usual second half swan dive.

This team has nothing going for it.

I see no downside to putting in Tebow. He needs to be evaluated in game situations to see if he is our QBOF or if we need to go all in for Luck. Those that state putting him in with a horrible cast will set him up for failure are morons. Good players are good players regardless of their surrounding cast.

[DrFate]

What is your feeling on Tebow?

He's gotta play so they know what they have (I am guessing that's Taco's response, it certainly is mine)

:)

[OABB]

He's gotta play so they know what they have (I am guessing that's Taco's response, it certainly is mine)

:)

I meant the brewing (at least amongst the fans, maybe not the coaches) of a possible qb switch for a series or game these next three...

should have been more clear.

[Taco John]

What is your feeling on Tebow?

My gut tells me that he can play. I've watched a lot of Bernie Kosar videos lately, as well as Tebow highlights. I think Tebow's delivery is a little more jerky and loose than Kosar's was, but I think that he's four times the athlete that Kosar ever was. But this is all guessing. Having a take on Tebow before he actually plays a game is pointless. I'd like to see what he can do in a real game against real NFL competitors.

Right now, the way I see it, any take on Tebow is just a guess. Nobody can do any real analysis on his game until he's had one.

[Rohirrim]

Am I the only one who is actually surprised at Orton's last two performances? I can only think that something is physically wrong with him. His accuracy has disappeared. Hell, it's like his whole game suddenly went "poof." I think there is something going on that we don't know about. And then the question becomes, why not Tebow? Is he that bad? Or the underwear model? This story doesn't add up.

[OABB]

My gut tells me that he can play. I've watched a lot of Bernie Kosar videos lately, as well as Tebow highlights. I think Tebow's delivery is a little more jerky and loose than Kosar's was, but I think that he's four times the athlete that Kosar ever was. But this is all guessing. Having a take on Tebow before he actually plays a game is pointless. I'd like to see what he can do in a real game against real NFL competitors.

Right now, the way I see it, any take on Tebow is just a guess. Nobody can do any real analysis on his game until he's had one.

I'm a blind Homer, and I have been wrong more than I have been right the past ten years, but i feel something in my gut too. maybe it's just gas from that bacon wrap thingy, but I just have a feeling that he could spark this team(certainly the fans) and be great.

With that said, he will probably be a huge, epic failure like my man crushes griese, plummer, and cutler were for the broncs.

[24champ]

Griese - Cutting him is a waste when he's willing to play back-up. Bring in another QB, let them compete. Cutting him will accelerate cap money that we can use on OL or DL.

Plummer - The guy chokes in big games. Just wait and see. We'll go far into the playoffs with him, and he'll turn the ball over several times and make it impossible to win.

Cutler - He'll be a pro-bowler some day.

Orton - He's Griese 2.0. He's not spectacular, but he's a hard worker, smart, and has a good enough arm to stretch the field a couple times a game. Probably not a superbowl calibre guy unless we have an awesome defense.

Hilarious!

Talk about history revisionism.

[Taco John]

Hilarious!

Talk about history revisionism.

Not at all. I'm not embarassed of any of my takes on any of our quarterbacks. There's no need to revise them. Not that you would know anyways. You weren't here for the Griese discussions, and only got in on the Plummer ones by the time I was exiting his bandwagon. Not sure what you think that you're talking about.

[fontaine]

Orton gives us the best chance to win and that's all I want from this game period.

Asomaghu will pretty much shut down Lloyd, we have no pass catching TEs, and that leaves the running game, quick short timing routes and screens.

Anybody think Tebow can execute the passing offense better than Orton in those areas?

Tebow shouldn't and won't play unless Orton continues to play like he has the last two weeks.

[DrFate]

I meant the brewing (at least amongst the fans, maybe not the coaches) of a possible qb switch for a series or game these next three...


Certainly no worries...

One thing that doesn't get said enough about Tebow 'being ready' - he started three years at Florida, running Meyer's spread offense (which allegedly Belicheck borrowed heavily from to develop the current Pats offense)

This isn't a guy who ran the wishbone or who was simply a senior-year sensation. He should be able to handle 15-20 passes in a run-first gameplan. To suggest otherwise (as some posters have) seems silly.

[RaiderH8r]

Orton gives us the best chance to win and that's all I want from this game period.

Asomaghu will pretty much shut down Lloyd, we have no pass catching TEs, and that leaves the running game, quick short timing routes and screens.

Anybody think Tebow can execute the passing offense better than Orton in those areas?

Tebow shouldn't and won't play unless Orton continues to play like he has the last two weeks.

Yes, he can. One or two read sets and short passes. Sure. Tebow can also run away from the rush. He can also run a bootleg. In short, I guarantee there are things Tebow can do that Orton can't but I can't say the same for Orton.

[bendog]

Certainly no worries...

One thing that doesn't get said enough about Tebow 'being ready' - he started three years at Florida, running Meyer's spread offense (which allegedly Belicheck borrowed heavily from to develop the current Pats offense)

This isn't a guy who ran the wishbone or who was simply a senior-year sensation. He should be able to handle 15-20 passes in a run-first gameplan. To suggest otherwise (as some posters have) seems silly.

the fla spread is not what billicheat runs. Fla's bread and butter is the play action with an empty back field. NE does run the same little wr screens and pick routes and puts 3 or 4 wideouts in to force teams to go without two safeties. But that's pretty similar to what Indy did back when Sam Brandon was around to play the slot with 3 cornerbacks on the field too.

[RaiderH8r]

Certainly no worries...

One thing that doesn't get said enough about Tebow 'being ready' - he started three years at Florida, running Meyer's spread offense (which allegedly Belicheck borrowed heavily from to develop the current Pats offense)

This isn't a guy who ran the wishbone or who was simply a senior-year sensation. He should be able to handle 15-20 passes in a run-first gameplan. To suggest otherwise (as some posters have) seems silly.

Indeed.

And I'm pretty sure 100K+ crowds at LSU, Alabama, FSU etc certainly qualify as "hostile". If those knuckle dragging felons in Oakland can break Tebow's spirit then I'll shove this here regulation sized NFL football straight up Al Davis' ass.

[gunns]

No better time? Really? You think the best time possible to play a rookie QB is to play him when your team is 3-10 and the whole organization is in shambles and his HC was fired? NO BETTER time? Are you telling me you cannot think of another time that is better than now to play a rookie QB?

I am disappointed, but the best thing for Tebow is not to play right now.

It's because our whole staff is in shambles right now and has no idea what the hell they're doing. Throwing him in to play some back yard football would be a questionable decision.

However, it's not surprising people are saying play tebow now!!! You know you Denver fans aren't exactly the brightest... knee jerk reactions are your specialty.

Like after that one game Quentin Griffin had a few years back... BURN HIS HEAD OFF!

So Tebow was only coming to the NFL to play on a winning team that isn't in shambles. It happens to every team and if you are the QB you do what you can to help. I don't believe the Rams were in too great of shape when Bradford took over, or Stafford in Detroit. Both have improved with each game. Nothing like a little experience, be it bad or good, because you are going to get both anyway.

[DrFate]

the fla spread is not what billicheat runs. Fla's bread and butter is the play action with an empty back field. NE does run the same little wr screens and pick routes and puts 3 or 4 wideouts in to force teams to go without two safeties. But that's pretty similar to what Indy did back when Sam Brandon was around to play the slot with 3 cornerbacks on the field too.

I'm thinking of some of these articles:

http://www.nfl.com/superbowl/story?confirm=true&id=09000d5d80649978&template=with-video

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2009-06-25/sports/urban_1_spread-bill-belichick-tom-brady

"Maybe more need to, given what the New England Patriots -- be it with maestro Tom Brady or super-sub Matt Cassell -- have done with the spread passing game since Bill Belichick began making annual offseason treks to Gainesville (and Meyer to Foxboro, Mass.) the last three years."



I'm not implying it is the exact same system. But there were a number of articles about how the systems were similar.

[RaiderH8r]

So Tebow was only coming to the NFL to play on a winning team that isn't in shambles. It happens to every team and if you are the QB you do what you can to help. I don't believe the Rams were in too great of shape when Bradford took over, or Stafford in Detroit. Both have improved with each game. Nothing like a little experience, be it bad or good, because you are going to get both anyway.

I'm pretty sure Aikman took a beating his rookie year too...yep. I just checked. He did. Manning....yep, Manning went to a team in shambles and turned it around. Took a beating too.

[Jetmeck]

The worst time for Tebow is to play now.

and you are an idiot

[bendog]

There's no doubt that Billicheat left weiss's two te and a cloud of dust offense behind, and he hasn't one a bowl since, btw. I'd agree with you IF you were saying that NE's playbook contains some of the same 2 and 3 wr on one side screens/pickoff/runoff routes. the terminology may evne be similar. I think the reads the qb has to make concerning the safeties are the same.

However, the skill set of ball handling, taking the snap and footwork, how Tebow holds the ball ... are all different from what he did in Fla.

What I am totally unsure about is whether NE wr's run different routes depending upon how the defense lines up, and the qb makes the same reads. In Fla, I think it's one route per play call. In the NFL, typically, wr's and qbs have to make the same read.

And wr's have to adjust to the thorw. Cinny was a perfect example of that when the WR just kept running the route when Palmer thought he'd break off and come back, so Pitt's saftey hair guy, Palimino or whatever, jumped the route.

[bombay]

There is no conceivable reason not to take a look at Tebow now.

[Bronco Yoda]

Tebow's walked into bigger, more hostile environments and survived. Well, maybe not "likely to get shot" hostile but as far as what fans can throw at a person and not get jailed for a significant amount of time....he's handled it.

And oh sweet sweet misery should Tebow beat the Fade. I'm telling you, clubs aren't even blitzing Orton anymore. They'll rush 4 and if Orton "scrambles" nobody comes off of coverage because they don't have to. They know, even with a 20 yard head start, anybody in the league can run Kyle down before he scampers out the easy 8 yd gain. Tebow immediately presents a problem that nobody has gameplanned for when facing Denver. All of the sudden the bootleg, (anybody remember those? Buehler, Buehler?) or an improvised play when the pocket breaks down (anybody remember those? Buehler, Buehler?) becomes a legitimate threat. All of the sudden a DB has to choose to break coverage to prevent the run or risk the QB scrambling for an 8yd gain on a 3rd and 7 and converting a first down. Does anybody remember that QBs can, and have, scrambled for first downs on third and long? Anybody?

Bring in the kid. Bring him in now. Announce it at today's presser and get going on the future. It really is the only thing that has any chance of making anybody in Bronco Country take notice of this team again. Because, let's face it, we just got waxed by the AZ Cardinals and some Skelton guy. My apathy is only being held in check by my idiotic and apparently naive optimism that this club will show anything that resembles a pro level effort.

No way do I announce it. I start Orton and let him play one series then bring in Tebow. The last thing I'd want is for them to game plan his first 'start'.

[Jetmeck]

No better time? Really? You think the best time possible to play a rookie QB is to play him when your team is 3-10 and the whole organization is in shambles and his HC was fired? NO BETTER time? Are you telling me you cannot think of another time that is better than now to play a rookie QB?

I am disappointed, but the best thing for Tebow is not to play right now.

It's because our whole staff is in shambles right now and has no idea what the hell they're doing. Throwing him in to play some back yard football would be a questionable decision.

However, it's not surprising people are saying play tebow now!!! You know you Denver fans aren't exactly the brightest... knee jerk reactions are your specialty.

Like after that one game Quentin Griffin had a few years back... BURN HIS HEAD OFF!

Stupidest post of the year and there have been a few this year.

We need to know what we got, whether we go looking for the future in the draft or is it sitting under our noses ! Did Josh **** us further with Tebow or not. He needs game action to find out the answers. Going into the off season without having this question answered is unthinkable........period.

[gyldenlove]

There's no doubt that Billicheat left weiss's two te and a cloud of dust offense behind, and he hasn't one a bowl since, btw. I'd agree with you IF you were saying that NE's playbook contains some of the same 2 and 3 wr on one side screens/pickoff/runoff routes. the terminology may evne be similar. I think the reads the qb has to make concerning the safeties are the same.

However, the skill set of ball handling, taking the snap and footwork, how Tebow holds the ball ... are all different from what he did in Fla.

What I am totally unsure about is whether NE wr's run different routes depending upon how the defense lines up, and the qb makes the same reads. In Fla, I think it's one route per play call. In the NFL, typically, wr's and qbs have to make the same read.

And wr's have to adjust to the thorw. Cinny was a perfect example of that when the WR just kept running the route when Palmer thought he'd break off and come back, so Pitt's saftey hair guy, Palimino or whatever, jumped the route.

I believe the X and Z recievers have a primary and secondary route on many plays depending on coverage that they have to choose between, the Y is more flexible. That is certainly how Mcdaniels ran it.

[Jetmeck]

And if he plays like ****?

You realize the repercussions this team and Tebow will suffer if he sucks ass?

Yes dumbass the repercussions would be Josh ****ed us by getting rid of Cutler and drafting Tebow to replace him. Orton never was the answer and we need to know if we need to look any further or not. You don't have much common sense, do ya ?

[Jetmeck]

And how does this support your cause? Because he has to play at some point just play him now? Why not just start him over Orton at the beginning of the season?

You're telling me, you actually think it's a good idea to risk his value, throw him into the field where our team is 3-10 with a clueless staff, and risk all the bad press?

Do you realize, Tebow failing would be a CHERRY ON TOP to Denver's image?

Like I said, if we had some stability, knew what we were doing, or a decent staff, it'd be harder to argue against.

But in the current condition of the Broncos, it's to no surprise you guys can't think logically but to just knee jerk, but the risk of starting Tebow is far greater than the reward.

Seriously you need to just go away................beyond stupid here........

[Bronco Yoda]

Am I the only one who is actually surprised at Orton's last two performances? I can only think that something is physically wrong with him. His accuracy has disappeared. Hell, it's like his whole game suddenly went "poof." I think there is something going on that we don't know about. And then the question becomes, why not Tebow? Is he that bad? Or the underwear model? This story doesn't add up.

I've said this before. I think he went into the game sick, hurt or both. You can see it in his face and watch it in his throws.

[bendog]

I believe the X and Z recievers have a primary and secondary route on many plays depending on coverage that they have to choose between, the Y is more flexible. That is certainly how Mcdaniels ran it.

That would make sense. NE makes a living off of the two wr sets where the inside guy takes a set back after the snap, Brady zips it out, and the other wr gets a block and the wr with the ball makes a cut off the block. That play won't work if there's a safety sitting there like in a two deep. If it's zone, the wr's have to do something different.

ps, I watched more last year than this, and I distintly recall McD running this over and over till the wrs got it right, but I don't really recall it so much this year ... but the broncos have been the natl game ... once, I think.

[tsiguy96]

if it makes you guys feel better, cutler turned the ball over 3 times yesterday too. not that we should bring up cutlers shortcomings on this forum, as he has none.

[bendog]

if it makes you guys feel better, cutler turned the ball over 3 times yesterday too. not that we should bring up cutlers shortcomings on this forum, as he has none.

We are better now ... NAW ONE CAHN DENY THIS!

[tsiguy96]

We are better now ... NAW ONE CAHN DENY THIS!

not saying we are better (though i still think overall talent of the roster is roughly the same). just saying, cutler will never win a super bowl, and that is the ultimate goal of football.

[Popps]

I've said this before. I think he went into the game sick, hurt or both. You can see it in his face and watch it in his throws.

Count me in this crowd. I think he might be hurt. Said so during KC game.

[DBroncos4life]

not saying we are better (though i still think overall talent of the roster is roughly the same). just saying, cutler will never win a super bowl, and that is the ultimate goal of football.

Who the **** cares?!?! Every time we lose you pop off about Cutler doing this or Marshall doing that.

[~Crash~]

My gut tells me that he can play. I've watched a lot of Bernie Kosar videos lately, as well as Tebow highlights. I think Tebow's delivery is a little more jerky and loose than Kosar's was, but I think that he's four times the athlete that Kosar ever was. But this is all guessing. Having a take on Tebow before he actually plays a game is pointless. I'd like to see what he can do in a real game against real NFL competitors.

Right now, the way I see it, any take on Tebow is just a guess. Nobody can do any real analysis on his game until he's had one.

after Tebow does play if it is with these coaches a lot of broncos fans will probably still not know anything, if he stinks it up there will start talking bust rather quickly. just like the orton is noting he is treble talk a few week back no one was hammering on Orton now it so stylish. Orton is not the Broncos Problem.

[bendog]

27 qb rating. Of course, he may be hurt.

[razorwire77]

Count me in this crowd. I think he might be hurt. Said so during KC game.

On the sideline in Arizona they were working on the padding which protects Orton's ribs. I wonder if maybe he bruised them (which can be a total bitch to deal with.)

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Count me in this crowd. I think he might be hurt. Said so during KC game.

Count me in this crowd as well. He was bouncing and floating balls. Somethings up

[24champ]

Not at all. I'm not embarassed of any of my takes on any of our quarterbacks. There's no need to revise them. Not that you would know anyways. You weren't here for the Griese discussions, and only got in on the Plummer ones by the time I was exiting his bandwagon. Not sure what you think that you're talking about.

You weren't right about Plummer as you crapped on him constantly, and weren't right about Cutler. Cutler took over for Plummer, a move you cheered on and said it would improve the Broncos. It didn't and we failed to make the playoffs. We've failed to make the playoffs ever since Plummer was sacked.

Your takes suck and this self glorification of how "right" you were is pathetic.

[~Crash~]

Am I the only one who is actually surprised at Orton's last two performances? I can only think that something is physically wrong with him. His accuracy has disappeared. Hell, it's like his whole game suddenly went "poof." I think there is something going on that we don't know about. And then the question becomes, why not Tebow? Is he that bad? Or the underwear model? This story doesn't add up.\

there was one time they siad tebow was warming up and they said Orton ribs were bothering him..

[Drek]

After what we saw yesterday does anyone really trust McCoy to call a game that gives Tebow any chance for success?

Orton has nuked his value over the last two weeks. Let him finish out the year as the punching bag behind center. Pick a new coach ASAP when the season ends who is pro-Tebow and let him "suggest" a "personal instructor" for Tebow during the locked out months.

[Taco John]

You weren't right about Plummer as you crapped on him constantly, and weren't right about Cutler. Cutler took over for Plummer, a move you cheered on and said it would improve the Broncos. It didn't and we failed to make the playoffs. We've failed to make the playoffs ever since Plummer was sacked.

Your takes suck and this self glorification of how "right" you were is pathetic.

Yes, I was right about Plummer. What are you even talking about. Plummer washed himself straight out of the league and is now playing handball in Idaho. Cutler is headed to his second pro-bowl and will be playing in the playoffs this January.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Yes, I was right about Plummer. What are you even talking about. Plummer washed himself straight out of the league and is now playing handball in Idaho. Cutler is headed to his second pro-bowl and will be playing in the playoffs this January.

You werent right about the effect it would have on that AFC championship team.

I do remember us having a little avatar bet on that one. ;D

[tsiguy96]

Who the **** cares?!?! Every time we lose you pop off about Cutler doing this or Marshall doing that.

because every single post by the mcd pitchfork crew is about how he destroyed this team. im providing solid evidence to the contrary, you guys say "OMG the record!" which while a valid point, has little to do with the collective talent of hte guys on the field.

[TheProfessor]

because every single post by the mcd pitchfork crew is about how he destroyed this team. im providing solid evidence to the contrary, you guys say "OMG the record!" which while a valid point, has little to do with the collective talent of hte guys on the field.

Our 3-10 record has little to do with the talent on the field?