champ on the radio

[tsiguy96]

thought this was worth posting:

1043TheFan

Champ Bailey on with "The Drive" right now and says the lockerroom is "rejuvenated" after coaching change. #Broncos

makes sense, mcdaniels is not a "lay low" coach, im sure he got on these guys and it created a lot of tension and stress, mostly due to being yelled at AND not winning.

hope he re-signs, but i wouldnt advise him to come back here.

[Homer Simpson]

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Jhns, go_broncos, strafen, the floor is yours.

[theAPAOps5]

This.won't.end.well

[lostknight]

thought this was worth posting:
makes sense, mcdaniels is not a "lay low" coach, im sure he got on these guys and it created a lot of tension and stress, mostly due to being yelled at AND not winning.

Champ never says anything bad about the team. Period. The closest he comes is his (valid) complaint about the change, and the player revolt on Monday.


That being said, winning covers a multitude of sin.

[LonghornBronco]

We'll see...

[rbackfactory80]

Its simple, he wanted to be Bill Belichick without the resume and Tom Brady. If he had won three Superbowls he might have had a better chance of the players listening to him. Shanahan is having the same problems. Truth is relations can't be old-school anymore. Players want to be coddled just like students. Discipline is officially out.

[Kaylore]

Studesville is a players coach. We get 4 weeks to see if this helps
If not, a better draft pick.

[mkporter]

Its simple, he wanted to be Bill Belichick without the resume and Tom Brady. If he had won three Superbowls he might have had a better chance of the players listening to him. Shanahan is having the same problems. Truth is relations can't be old-school anymore. Players want to be coddled just like students. Discipline is officially out.

To be fair, Bill Belichick was Bill Belichick before he had three super bowls and Tom Brady. Worked out okay. The bottom line is that, if you win, people buy into your approach and you keep your job. You lose, not so much.

[THE719!]

well if anybody heard the interview it was great..... you would be a damned fool if you dont want him.... and like at the end D-mac said if he wants to go we all has broncos fans should understand he deservers it

[gobroncos313]

To be fair, Bill Belichick was Bill Belichick before he had three super bowls and Tom Brady. Worked out okay. The bottom line is that, if you win, people buy into your approach and you keep your job. You lose, not so much.

A big difference between Belichick and McDaniels is that Drew Bledsoe got hurt 1/3 of the way through the season and Orton had his healthiest year ever this year otherwise McDaniels might still be employed.

[broncosteven]

A big difference between Belichick and McDaniels is that Drew Bledsoe got hurt 1/3 of the way through the season and Orton had his healthiest year ever this year otherwise McDaniels might still be employed.

Brady did make Belly look like a Genius.

[broncosteven]

thought this was worth posting:



makes sense, mcdaniels is not a "lay low" coach, im sure he got on these guys and it created a lot of tension and stress, mostly due to being yelled at AND not winning.

hope he re-signs, but i wouldnt advise him to come back here.

Which is what I was worried about all along but you guys painted Unicorns and Rainbow pictures the last 18 months even as Rome burned while I was labeled a hater and a Debbi Downer...

[Hamrob]

McDaniels is a kid. He knows x's and o's, but there is no way that he knows people. He's a snot nosed punk who grew up under Daddy's wing. He's got a good football mind...but, he doesn't know how to earn respect from players and the community.

What happened, happened.

I will admit once again, I wanted us to go get Josh McDaniels. I can't ever deny that. I thought he was the guy to bring in and groom Cutler. Cutler had just completed his 3rd year and our offense looked like something special in the making. Who better to go get, than the guy who coached the highest scoring offense in NFL history.

But, when McD screwed up the Cutler situation....BEYOND BELIEF...like only a snot nosed idiot 30yr old would do. Well, that was when it was obvious to me...we had made a mistake.

If we had left that offense alone...after we had uncovered Peyton Hillis's abilities and were coming into our own on offense. I can't imagine how good we would have been.

We were stacked on offense. All Shanny would have needed to do was focus on the defense. Do we really believe...he wouldn't have done that? Hell, Bowlen could have forced his hand. Allowing McD to destroy that offense will go down as one of the worst front office moves in the history of the NFL. Watch.

I wish McD well, because he has alot of talent...but this was a disaster and Bowlen should have prevented it from happening...by controlling McD from the start!

[Hamrob]

Those of you who bash that 2008 offense are out of your minds. Especially those folks who bang on that Oline...try to remember that Clady and Harris between them gave up a total of like 3 sacks the entire year. Yes, Cutler was nimble...but, check out the number of times he's been sacked in Chicago. That Oline was fantastic!

[snowspot66]

Those of you who bash that 2008 offense are out of your minds. Especially those folks who bang on that Oline...try to remember that Clady and Harris between them gave up a total of like 3 sacks the entire year. Yes, Cutler was nimble...but, check out the number of times he's been sacked in Chicago. That Oline was fantastic!

Nobody bags on that offensive line. That was probably one of the best seasonal performances by an offensive line ever.

The rest of the offense was pretty average at best though.

[Dagmar]

Nobody bags on that offensive line. That was probably one of the best seasonal performances by an offensive line ever.

The rest of the offense was pretty average at best though.

Yeah, not sure of the complaint here. Who in Tebow's name complained or has since ripped on that line?

[dsmoot]

Nobody bags on that offensive line. That was probably one of the best seasonal performances by an offensive line ever.

The rest of the offense was pretty average at best though.

A total overstatement. I don't care what the stats say, the 2008 OL cannot hold the jocks of the 1997 Broncos OL. period.

[Dedhed]

Its simple, he wanted to be Bill Belichick without the resume and Tom Brady. If he had won three Superbowls he might have had a better chance of the players listening to him. Shanahan is having the same problems. Truth is relations can't be old-school anymore. Players want to be coddled just like students. Discipline is officially out.
I think being given unilateral authority had a lot to do with McDaniels' fail. If all the same personnel decisions were made by a GM and McDaniels had a dictatorial coaching style, I don't think it's as irksome to players and fans.

Added together and it was just a brutal combo.

[Boomhauer]

I think being given unilateral authority had a lot to do with McDaniels' fail. If all the same personnel decisions were made by a GM and McDaniels had a dictatorial coaching style, I don't think it's as irksome to players and fans.

Added together and it was just a brutal combo.

You're really going to nit-pick organizational structure as why he's gone? The fact he's a complete moron that failed in every measurable sense of the words; 'Coach, Leader, Man and Bronco' has nothing to do with it? He's out because he sucks .... hard .... at everything.

[Cito Pelon]

Rejuvenated, eh? Felt like going into the opener, eh? Let's see if they can execute the gameplan now.

[eddie mac]

TBH if McDaniels used a hard line with these players I'd be very surprised if anyone who has watched us play this year thought it wasn't warranted.

Aside from a few individuals and a few games they have been the biggest disappointment in the NFL and if that warrants molly-cuddling then I dont understand sport anymore.

Seems to me some of our players are just using recent events to cover up how crap they've been playing within themselves this year.

Out of a 53 man plus roster only Lloyd. Orton in some games, Moreno in one and Bailey have shown me **** this year, the rest are just a bunch of average joes or indeed have been playing at that level this year.

Now you can certainly blame coaching and schemes for some of that but there comes a time when if a player is good enough or is playing at a good enough level he'll show you that on the field.

[bowtown]

Those of you who bash that 2008 offense are out of your minds. Especially those folks who bang on that Oline...try to remember that Clady and Harris between them gave up a total of like 3 sacks the entire year. Yes, Cutler was nimble...but, check out the number of times he's been sacked in Chicago. That Oline was fantastic!

I'm not trying to get into a big argument about this, because I think the 2008 Oline was decent an certainly worlds better than this year's, but you can't compare it with the situation in Chicago. The systems are totally different. Mike Martz is incapable of calling anything less than an 8 step drop and more than a 10 yard route. Sometimes I think he might actually get off by watching QBs get sacked.

[Swedish Extrovert]

Studesville is a players coach. We get 4 weeks to see if this helps
If not, a better draft pick.

What do you think his chances of coming back are? He was a McD guy... but do you think he'll still coach RBs... maybe a promotion to OC, depending on how he does...

I gotta say, I'd prefer him to McCoy at OC.

[rbackfactory80]

To be fair, Bill Belichick was Bill Belichick before he had three super bowls and Tom Brady. Worked out okay. The bottom line is that, if you win, people buy into your approach and you keep your job. You lose, not so much.

Sure but in today's world you must change with the times. When you go into a situation with a narrow vision of what will work you decrease your chance of success ten-fold.

[rbackfactory80]

I think being given unilateral authority had a lot to do with McDaniels' fail. If all the same personnel decisions were made by a GM and McDaniels had a dictatorial coaching style, I don't think it's as irksome to players and fans.

Added together and it was just a brutal combo.

You're probably right but I think the decisions not working played heavily into his coaching attitude. He was just as mad about some of the decisions he made as some of the fans. He doesn't seem like a guy that moved on well and really got caught up in some of the BS that was going on.

Even on the side lines he wouldn't let a penalty go and would scream at players instead of just saying they made a mistake, that is OK and moved on. He was very hard on himself which transferred into his dealing with his others.

As much as coaches want full control, when they get it many just can't handle it. He probably would have been much happier with a GM taking some responsibility and that might have changed the way he acted towards his players.

[bowtown]

What do you think his chances of coming back are? He was a McD guy... but do you think he'll still coach RBs... maybe a promotion to OC, depending on how he does...

I gotta say, I'd prefer him to McCoy at OC.

Why?

[colonelbeef]

Its simple, he wanted to be Bill Belichick without the resume and Tom Brady. If he had won three Superbowls he might have had a better chance of the players listening to him. Shanahan is having the same problems. Truth is relations can't be old-school anymore. Players want to be coddled just like students. Discipline is officially out.

How is Shanahan having the same problems?

He cut the cancer (Fat Albert) out- the locker room in DC agrees.

They are going to improve by 2-3 wins this year over last. They just need to give him the room to fix the OL and add a WR or two, and when he does, they will be a 9-10 win team next year and he will be coach4life in Washington

[rbackfactory80]

How is Shanahan having the same problems?

He cut the cancer (Fat Albert) out- the locker room in DC agrees.

They are going to improve by 2-3 wins this year over last. They just need to give him the room to fix the OL and add a WR or two, and when he does, they will be a 9-10 win team next year and he will be coach4life in Washington

The entire approach he took alienated Haynesworth from day one. He embarrassed him with his S&C test and repeatedly made false statements to the media. As much as a baby as Haynesworth is he is a dominant player if properly motivated, Shanahan took the wrong approach with him.

What about the two minute fiasco with McNabb? He is hands-down the only QB option they have and he puts in Kyle Bowler with the game on the line. You have to show confidence in your players.

[Beantown Bronco]

McDaniels is a kid. He knows x's and o's, but there is no way that he knows people. He's a snot nosed punk who grew up under Daddy's wing. He's got a good football mind...but, he doesn't know how to earn respect from players and the community.

What happened, happened.

I will admit once again, I wanted us to go get Josh McDaniels. I can't ever deny that. I thought he was the guy to bring in and groom Cutler. Cutler had just completed his 3rd year and our offense looked like something special in the making. Who better to go get, than the guy who coached the highest scoring offense in NFL history.

But, when McD screwed up the Cutler situation....BEYOND BELIEF...like only a snot nosed idiot 30yr old would do. Well, that was when it was obvious to me...we had made a mistake.

If we had left that offense alone...after we had uncovered Peyton Hillis's abilities and were coming into our own on offense. I can't imagine how good we would have been.

We were stacked on offense. All Shanny would have needed to do was focus on the defense. Do we really believe...he wouldn't have done that? Hell, Bowlen could have forced his hand. Allowing McD to destroy that offense will go down as one of the worst front office moves in the history of the NFL. Watch.

I wish McD well, because he has alot of talent...but this was a disaster and Bowlen should have prevented it from happening...by controlling McD from the start!

In a battle between a 32 year old coach and a 25 year old player, where the 25 year old player wouldn't call back the freaking team owner and had his dad turn in his playbook for him, you blame the 32 year old coach and label HIM "a snot nosed punk." Awesome. Well done.

[colonelbeef]

In a battle between a 32 year old coach and a 25 year old player, where the 25 year old player wouldn't call back the freaking team owner and had his dad turn in his playbook for him, you blame the 32 year old coach and label HIM "a snot nosed punk." Awesome. Well done.

How can you still back McDaniels up when he so obviously fouled up situation after situation?

You going to blame Nolan for leaving too?

Maybe McDaniels is just a punk brimming with too much hubris who had no idea what he was doing, no?

[Beantown Bronco]

How can you still back McDaniels up when he so obviously fouled up situation after situation?

What?! Please work on the reading comprehension. I am not making some blanket statement that he did nothing wrong in his time here. I'm backing him up in one very specific instance above where someone is calling HIM the immature one in an argument where the other guy had his dad hand in his playbook for me.

You going to blame Nolan for leaving too?

What on Earth this has to do with the statement above, I'll never know. I guess if I defend McD in one instance, to you that means I have to defend him in all instances? Odd. Life doesn't work that way.

[tsiguy96]

What?! Please work on the reading comprehension. I am not making some blanket statement that he did nothing wrong in his time here. I'm backing him up in one very specific instance above where someone is calling HIM the immature one in an argument where the other guy had his dad hand in his playbook for me.



What on Earth this has to do with the statement above, I'll never know. I guess if I defend McD in one instance, to you that means I have to defend him in all instances? Odd. Life doesn't work that way.

they are just pathetic, id quit trying. if you support any single action that mcd did, you are a mcd idiot homer nuthugger. people still act like i didnt say for weeks leading up to the loss that its getting harder to support him and he needs to start winning etc, apparently im still pining for him to come back or something. atleast according to colonelbeef, jhns, socal etc

[brother love]

Those of you who bash that 2008 offense are out of your minds. Especially those folks who bang on that Oline...try to remember that Clady and Harris between them gave up a total of like 3 sacks the entire year. Yes, Cutler was nimble...but, check out the number of times he's been sacked in Chicago. That Oline was fantastic!

Yeah at pass blocking, the running game had been on the decline the last couple of years under shannahan.

[Dudeskey]

Rejuvenated, eh? Felt like going into the opener, eh? Let's see if they can execute the gameplan now.

The cards have problems of their own. Hell they're starting a 5th round rookie, doubt he lights us up

[Beantown Bronco]

The cards have problems of their own. Hell they're starting a 5th round rookie, doubt he lights us up

When was the last time this defense shut down a backup QB? Or really any QB for that matter? Even in games we appear to completely dominate, the opposing QB's stats at the end of the day look like future HOF numbers.

[Cito Pelon]

they are just pathetic, id quit trying. if you support any single action that mcd did, you are a mcd idiot homer nuthugger. people still act like i didnt say for weeks leading up to the loss that its getting harder to support him and he needs to start winning etc, apparently im still pining for him to come back or something. atleast according to colonelbeef, jhns, socal etc

You're the leader of the McPiner's, nyah-yah-yah-nyah-yah-yah!

[Cito Pelon]

When was the last time this defense shut down a backup QB? Or really any QB for that matter? Even in games we appear to completely dominate, the opposing QB's stats at the end of the day look like future HOF numbers.

Well, let's see what the D can do the rest of the year. I've been saying that for ten years, so even if they look good I'd like to see the D built up next year to dominating status.