Who could be our next Joe Collier?

[vercingetorix]

We had Joe Collier running the defense masterfully for around 20 years. Pittsburgh has had Dick LeBeau. Who, out there, represents someone that can fill this long standing void for us?

Im not asking for predictions as to who the next DC will be, but rather, who it should or could be that sort of represents something similar to what we had in Joe Collier.

[broncosteven]

Wade Phillips

[Goobzilla]

Joe IS only 78. Just sayin'

[vercingetorix]

Wade Phillips

Wasnt there bad blood or was that just against certain people that are no longer in Denver?

[Tim]

Wink

[strafen]

We had Joe Collier running the defense masterfully for around 20 years. Pittsburgh has had Dick LeBeau. Who, out there, represents someone that can fill this long standing void for us?

Im not asking for predictions as to who the next DC will be, but rather, who it should or could be that sort of represents something similar to what we had in Joe Collier.

It's hard to see who could emerge to be the guy.

I always saw Larry Coyer as the only one I wouldn't mind having for a long term as our own LeBeau version...

[vercingetorix]

It's hard to see who could emerge to be the guy.

I always saw Larry Coyer as the only one I wouldn't mind having for a long term as our own LeBeau version...

I was hoping it could be Nolan. But we all know how that turned out.

[footstepsfrom#27]

I posted this in here two years ago...I bet this dude learned a lot from his dad, don't you think? Unfortunately, he's now a Chorf...ugh.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?p=2212101&highlight=collier#post2212101

You want this guy: http://www.patriots.com/team/index.cfm?ac=playerbio&bio=30932

http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/75434452.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF19309EBFDFE8F65174D44298BAD3240A63A 284831B75F48EF45

I keep pimpin' him but nobody's listening. His background, experience and pedigree are perfect for us.

Joel Collier returned to New England when he joined Bill Belichick's staff on February 23, 2005. Collier had previously spent three seasons (1991-93) in the Patriots' coaching and scouting departments before serving an 11-year tenure as an assistant coach with the Miami Dolphins (1994-04).

In 2006, Collier's secondary contributed to a defense that set the franchise record in points allowed per game (14.81) and the defensive backfield was key in surrendering the fewest touchdown passes in the league (10). Patriots' opposing quarterbacks had the second lowest cumulative passer rating (66.1) in the league and lowest inside the 30-yard line (50.8). Collier's work with cornerback Asante Samuel helped him tie for the league lead in interceptions with 10 in 2006.

In 2005, Collier helped the secondary improve down the stretch after losing six players to season-ending injuries. In New England's last seven regular-season and playoff games, opponents averaged just 188 passing yards per game while throwing for a total of only five touchdowns. In those final seven contests, opposing teams were held to fewer than 200 total passing yards five times. The synergy that the group achieved was remarkable considering that 13 different starters were utilized during the season, including six starters at strong safety over an eight-week midseason span. Collier's tutelage helped cornerbacks Asante Samuel and Ellis Hobbs tie for the team lead with three interceptions apiece while combining to produce a total of 30 passes defensed.

Collier rejoined the Patriots in 2005 after completing a seven-year assignment as Miami's running backs coach, during which time he helped produce three 1,000-yard seasons and coached three different players who finished among the NFL's top five rookie rushers in their respective rookie seasons. Under Collier's tutelage, running back Ricky Williams recorded the top two rushing seasons in Dolphins history, notching an NFL-leading franchise-record 1,853 yards in 2002 and following that with a 1,372-yard effort in 2003. Williams earned a Pro Bowl nod in 2002, becoming the first Dolphins running back since Delvin Williams in 1978 to earn such recognition. Collier was also credited with assisting the development of former Miami fullback Rob Konrad, who became known as one of the league's top blocking fullbacks.

His experience on the defensive side of the ball includes a four-year stint as Miami's defensive staff assistant beginning in 1994. In that role, Collier helped to coach the Dolphins linebackers in addition to assisting with the overall football operation. In 1997, he was credited with assisting in the development of linebacker Derrick Rodgers, who earned Sports Illustrated's Defensive Rookie of the Year honors.
Prior to joining the Dolphins, Collier spent three seasons in Foxborough as the Patriots' assistant running backs and receivers coach (1991-92) and as a pro scout (1993). He was hired as a member of Head Coach Dick MacPherson's staff in 1991, and his assignments included assisting wide receivers coach (and current Patriots running backs coach) Ivan Fears.

Collier began his coaching career in 1988 as a graduate assistant under MacPherson at Syracuse University before entering the NFL as an offensive assistant for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in 1990.



Playing

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Collier was a three-year starter at inside linebacker for Northern Colorado University. He was an academic All-North Central Conference selection.

Personal

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Joel Collier was born on Dec. 25, 1963 in Buffalo, N.Y. He is the son of Joe Collier, who was on the Patriots' original coaching staff from 1960-61 and served as New England's defensive coordinator under Dick MacPherson from 1991- 92. Joe Collier was also head coach of the Buffalo Bills and a longtime defensive coordinator for the Denver Broncos, where Joel served as a ballboy while growing up. Joel and his wife, Shirley Ann, have a son, Jeremy Grayson, and a daughter, Evelyn.

[strafen]

Wow, I didn't know Collier had a son coaching in the NFL.
That's cool! :thumbsup:

[vercingetorix]

I posted this in here two years ago...I bet this dude learned a lot from his dad, don't you think? Unfortunately, he's now a Chorf...ugh.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?p=2212101&highlight=collier#post2212101

Thats a little more literal than I was asking about but cool.

[Killericon]

I'm gonna throw this out there, and I'm sure I'll get booed, but **** it.

Mike Singletary.

[vercingetorix]

I'm gonna throw this out there, and I'm sure I'll get booed, but **** it.

Mike Singletary.

I dont see why its so bad. I think a lot of people would prefer a 3-4 guy though. I also wouldnt be convinced that he wouldnt move on. Again, part of this is that he'd be in Denver for a long time like Joe Collier was.

[strafen]

I'm gonna throw this out there, and I'm sure I'll get booed, but **** it.

Mike Singletary.I see no chemistry there for him to be a bronco.
I can tell you that much...

[Killericon]

I dont see why its so bad. I think a lot of people would prefer a 3-4 guy though. I also wouldnt be convinced that he wouldnt move on. Again, part of this is that he'd be in Denver for a long time like Joe Collier was.

Singletary is a 3-4 guy, isn't he? Don't the 49ers still run a 3-4?

[vercingetorix]

Singletary is a 3-4 guy, isn't he? Don't the 49ers still run a 3-4?

Well, the Buddy Ryan defense was a 4-3. But Im sure Singletary has learned the 3-4 by now. I think they still run it but Im not entirely sure. Theyve run it during the time he was in SF, though...at the very least, when Nolan was there.

[Taco John]

I dont see why its so bad. I think a lot of people would prefer a 3-4 guy though.


Just a hunch but if I were to guess, I would guess that the 3-4 is a dead experiment in Denver. I'd bet dollars or doughnuts that the next guy who comes in moves us back to a 4-3.

[vercingetorix]

Just a hunch but if I were to guess, I would guess that the 3-4 is a dead experiment in Denver. I'd bet dollars or doughnuts that the next guy who comes in moves us back to a 4-3.

Do you really think so? The 4-3 is en vogue and the only stalwart defensive player, Doom, has best thrived in the 3-4. Theyre paying Doom a lot of money.

[BigPlayShay]

Just a hunch but if I were to guess, I would guess that the 3-4 is a dead experiment in Denver. I'd bet dollars or doughnuts that the next guy who comes in moves us back to a 4-3.

After the money they gave Doom you think someone is going to put him back in a situational pass rush role? Doom is a better OLB than DE. He is more James Harrison than Dwight Freeney.

[Bronco Yoda]

I'm gonna throw this out there, and I'm sure I'll get booed, but **** it.

Mike Singletary.

I would go for a Singletary as a D coach. Tough, Passionate, demands and gets respect. Who could argue with this.

Better coordinator than a Head Coach. Sorta reminds me of a MCsomething-or-other we had around here not long ago.

[Mile High Shack]

I just want a dude who will keep his defensive play sheet shoved in his sweat pants like Collier did

[Durango]

John Fox (assuming he's canned in Carolina), Phillips, Dom Capers. Any of those three would be great, but, with the exception of Capers, a step down.

Singletary is intriguing. His head coaching days are numbered of course, and his performance in San Francisco has fallen far below expectations, but he has a HoF mind for defense.

[broncosteven]

Just a hunch but if I were to guess, I would guess that the 3-4 is a dead experiment in Denver. I'd bet dollars or doughnuts that the next guy who comes in moves us back to a 4-3.

I think the next guy will try to keep the D consistent and just draft DL. We have Doom coming back who thrived (at least under Nolan) in the 3-4.

Maise (I just watched Grownups on DVD) is a fair 2 down LB and seemed to get better as the year went on, DJ is solid starter and makes plays, Haggan, Hunter, Ayers are all good rotational guys and Ayers is supposed to have a huge upside. If we move to a 4-3 May's is gone because he can't cover to save his life.

I hope they draft DL, OL, and Safety, bring in a DC who knows the 3-4 and we should be OK. We would be a lot better if we had a lights out Safety who could help in both run support and Coverage, a guy like Bernard Jackson was.

BTW I wonder if Chico isn't available in the off season if SD goes down in flames. Maybe they dump the current crew there and we can pickup Chico? Just a thought.

[montrose]

I had to.

http://cdn.picapp.com/ftp/Images/2/b/9/0/NFL_Denver_Broncos_c982.JPG?adImageId=9583630&imageId=6718959

[misturanderson]

If you're looking for a long-term answer you're going to need a guy that isn't going to get another shot as a HC. Or someone that doesn't want one. Wade is almost certainly not going to get another shot, if he even wants one. I'm not sure who else out there fits that description.

[~Crash~]

If you're looking for a long-term answer you're going to need a guy that isn't going to get another shot as a HC. Or someone that doesn't want one. Wade is almost certainly not going to get another shot, if he even wants one. I'm not sure who else out there fits that description.

Thank you ! yep he would be long term and yes one hell of a DC .

[Kaylore]

Just a hunch but if I were to guess, I would guess that the 3-4 is a dead experiment in Denver. I'd bet dollars or doughnuts that the next guy who comes in moves us back to a 4-3.

I don't know. If they do that then Dumervil becomes not-so-easy-to-trade bait. I mean, sure you could use him in a 4-3, but it would have to be a Tampa 2 or something of that nature where the ends tee off. Same goes for Ayers who's even more of an odd man out in that instance. Then you consider as crappy as our line is, they are all 3-4 guys.

I mean most people are upset McDaniels didn't adapt to his players enough when he was here. If we have someone come in and immediately make the few good players on defense we have even less effective, I can't imagine how that would go over.

[srphoenix]

I'm definitely agreeing that we stay in the 3-4, its still currently the more dominant nfl defense at the moment and like others have mentioned our personell is a bit more shifted towards it.

The main thing I'd like to see is them keep Wink around another year, just tired of the DC carousel we consistantly have around here. I think it's time to give a DC a couple of years especially with a healthy dumerville and a high draft pick or two to help out the d-line and see how he does then.

There is always the chance that the new GM or HC has his own ideals or is defensive minded to begin with and does away with Wink. Do we send wink back to LB coach then or completely can him if that happens?

[Ambiguous]

I had to.

http://cdn.picapp.com/ftp/Images/2/b/9/0/NFL_Denver_Broncos_c982.JPG?adImageId=9583630&imageId=6718959

Where is the tie die pic. That was quite intimidating.

[bendog]

What if Tenn **** cans Fisher?

[bronco_diesel]

What if Tenn **** cans Fisher?

Then he will probably be in Houston after they can Kubes.

[TotallyScrewed]

I'm definitely agreeing that we stay in the 3-4, its still currently the more dominant nfl defense at the moment and like others have mentioned our personell is a bit more shifted towards it.

The main thing I'd like to see is them keep Wink around another year, just tired of the DC carousel we consistantly have around here. I think it's time to give a DC a couple of years especially with a healthy dumerville and a high draft pick or two to help out the d-line and see how he does then.

There is always the chance that the new GM or HC has his own ideals or is defensive minded to begin with and does away with Wink. Do we send wink back to LB coach then or completely can him if that happens?

I'm for giving the DC position to Wade, if he'll take. His a great DC. That said, I really don't think that Wink has had a bad year for the talent level that exists. Would he accept a demotion, especially if a Wade Phillips came in as the long term DC. The wildcard is that every coach on the existing Broncos has a losing stigma to shed so maybe they will stick around for a couple of years to work this team back into respectability.

[fontaine]

John Fox (assuming he's canned in Carolina), Phillips, Dom Capers. Any of those three would be great, but, with the exception of Capers, a step down.

Singletary is intriguing. His head coaching days are numbered of course, and his performance in San Francisco has fallen far below expectations, but he has a HoF mind for defense.

What an excellent list.

I would add Marvin Lewis to this list. What he achieved as DC for the Ravens is undeniable and even though Cincy doesn't get any hype, all he's done as a HC there is turn one of the worst perennial franchises in the league into a solid, competitive team and all with some very tight owners. The guy not only has a great defensive mind but really good interpersonal skills with even the most crazy ones like Ocho.

[dbfan21]

What an excellent list.

I would add Marvin Lewis to this list. What he achieved as DC for the Ravens is undeniable and even though Cincy doesn't get any hype, all he's done as a HC there is turn one of the worst perennial franchises in the league into a solid, competitive team and all with some very tight owners. The guy not only has a great defensive mind but really good interpersonal skills with even the most crazy ones like Ocho.

I would approve of Marvin Lewis as DC. You are right in saying he can handle the personnel issues that can pop up with wacky players.

[cmhargrove]

I know you keep saying "Joe Collier," but isn't this thread really about... "Jay Cutler"?

Isn't it?

Isn't it?

[PRBronco]

I'm for giving the DC position to Wade, if he'll take. His a great DC. That said, I really don't think that Wink has had a bad year for the talent level that exists. Would he accept a demotion, especially if a Wade Phillips came in as the long term DC. The wildcard is that every coach on the existing Broncos has a losing stigma to shed so maybe they will stick around for a couple of years to work this team back into respectability.

Also Wade is a giant creampuff, and our players need to be coddled.

For the record I hope we stay a 3-4, although candidates like Leslie Frazier and Gregg Williams are enticing.

[Boomhauer]

We had Joe Collier running the defense masterfully for around 20 years. Pittsburgh has had Dick LeBeau. Who, out there, represents someone that can fill this long standing void for us? ...

To stick around that long means mastering defense as a whole, not just having 'a system' you can check the cliff-notes on each week to see how it's been used. Any coach that's specifically a 3-4 or 4-3 guy from a team that did well some years, depending on players and staff, is meaningless for your request.

Some have said Wade Phillips is that kind of DC, but I'll submit Steve Dunlap WVU as a 20-yr DC ... if you can get him out of WestVirginia. Can run a 4-3, 3-4, 3-5 (or is that a 3-3 at WVU?), and probably show the Broncos and NFL the 4-4.