Poll: Who should our next coach be?

[mkporter]

Time for the guessing to begin.. Who do you want as our next coach?

[Lev Vyvanse]

Time for the guessing to begin.. Who do you want as our next coach?

The other six threads weren't good enough for you?

[mkporter]

The other six threads weren't good enough for you?

Yeah, they didn't have a poll. Should have noted it was coming. My bad.

[CBF1]

No Mike "The Mastermind" Shannahan option.

FAIL

[Lev Vyvanse]

Yeah, they didn't have a poll. Should have noted it was coming. My bad.

Fair enough. Holy ****balls, big poll Batman.

[serious hops]

Should have a poll on who we want as our next front office exec-- IMO, that hire will be as important as the head coach, if not more so. Gruden's my first choice for HC, but it doesn't look like we're interested in going that direction. I can handle Fewell, Rivera or Grimm along with a strong front office. If it's going to be the same old Broncos set-up where the coach is the defacto GM as well, I vastly prefer an experienced coach like Fisher or Fox.

[mkporter]

Fair enough. Holy ****balls, big poll Batman.

That's what she said. :yayaya:

[mkporter]

Should have a poll on who we want as our next front office exec-- IMO, that hire will be as important as the head coach, if not more so. Gruden's my first choice for HC, but it doesn't look like we're interested in going that direction. I can handle Fewell, Rivera or Grimm along with a strong front office. If it's going to be the same old Broncos set-up where the coach is the defacto GM as well, I vastly prefer an experienced coach like Fisher or Fox.

I agree. It was easier to compile a head coach list though. Someone smarter than me should make a GM poll.

[TheElusiveKyleOrton]

Fair enough. Holy ****balls, big poll Batman.

Thanks, Robin. Now get out of here until I'm done in the shower.

[Homer Simpson]

Wow, you certainly covered all of your bases there!

[Los Broncos]

Tony Dungy

[SonOfLe-loLang]

If looking for the guy who was a head coach, failed, went back to being a coordinator, succeeded, and may be ready for another gig...Mornhinweg is an interesting option

[mkporter]

No love for Kubes yet? I've seen his name thrown around here way too often for someone not to have voted for him. I guess Taco hasn't voted yet though.

[~Crash~]

Yeah, they didn't have a poll. Should have noted it was coming. My bad.

tell him to kiss your ass. he does not have to hit the link

[mkporter]

tell him to kiss your ass. he does not have to hit the link

I'm going with a "can't we all just get along" theme for awhile. At least until we hire a new coach and have something new to be bitterly divided over.

[frerottenextelway]

I support Coach Stud. We'll see where we're at in a month.

[go_broncos]

looks like someone voted for Kyle Shananhan..LOL

[spdirty]

Anyone but Cowher. **** him.

[Dudeskey]

Who gives a ****? I wanna see Bowlen hire a GM first

[strafen]

Who gives a ****? I wanna see Bowlen hire a GM first
he will.
I think with Elway in the picture now, that things are going to be handled differently...

[ColoradoDarin]

If looking for the guy who was a head coach, failed, went back to being a coordinator, succeeded, and may be ready for another gig...Mornhinweg is an interesting option

That's who I want. His HC gig was the Lions under Millen, no one can survive that! Spent the last 7 years under Andy Reid being OC and Asst HC.

I would be fine with any of the following:
Mornhinweg
Frazier (with Dungy as GM)
Harbaugh
Fewell

and I don't know but might work out: Rivera

[Sodak]

I want a pie chart! These bar graphs are crap!

[broncocalijohn]

Rivera for his defense minded coaching and had to pick Nolan just to piss off McD. I wonder how much thought Rivera would get as we have slipped so far in defense. Maybe Bailey sticks around if that would be the case.

[broncocalijohn]

looks like someone voted for Kyle Shananhan..LOL

Well that would be two fo the biggest Shanny supporters in Spdirty and Strafen. If you cant have Mike, at least take his son. Kind of scary like Nicholas Cage marrying Elvis' daughter since he is such a big Elvis fan.

[Bigdawg26]

No Rob Ryan love??? I'm tired of that bootleg ryan we have in wink!

[Dudeskey]

No Rob Ryan love??? I'm tired of that bootleg ryan we have in wink!

I know! I'd love to see The other Ryan roaming our sidelines

[mkporter]

No Rob Ryan love??? I'm tired of that bootleg ryan we have in wink!

Dude, I put Santa Claus on there, isn't that close enough?

[extralife]

lol, Troy Calhoun tied with Brad Childress and Wade Phillips, less popular than Kyle Shanahan. Smart move taking your name out of the running, bro.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Interesting...two years ago before we hired McDaniels, I suggested Urban Meyer was the guy, but almost nobody wanted a college coach. Now almost half the people who answered this poll want Jim Harbaugh, a guy with far less pedigree than Meyer. I maintain there is only ONE coach that makes total sense here, and it's Meyer. I actually like Harbaugh, and I think he's going to be a good head coach in the NFL at some point and I'd be OK with him here, but he's not Meyer. Let's go to the tale of the tape shall we?

Age: Harbaugh 45, Meyer 46 ADVANTAGE-NONE

Years coaching (College): Harbaugh 7, Meyer 24 ADVANTAGE-MEYER (*Note: Harbaugh was an NCAA unpaid graduate assistant for 7 years while he played in the NFL for his father's Western Kentucky team, but unless you believe he flew back and forth every day after practice, this was mostly a part time/titled position his father gave him so I've not included it here.) ADVANTAGE-MEYER

Years coaching (Pro) Harbaugh 2, Meyer 0 ADVANTAGE-HARBAUGH

Positions coached: Harbaugh 1, Meyer, 4 ADVANTAGE-MEYER

Years as a HC: Harbaugh 7, Meyer 10 ADVANTAGE-MEYER

Won/Lost record: Harbaugh 57-27, Meyer 103-23 ADVANTAGE-MEYER

Winning Percentage: Harbaugh .679, Meyer .817 ADVANTAGE-MEYER

Division Championships: Harbaugh 0, Meyer 3 ADVANTAGE-MEYER

Conference Championships:Harbaugh 3, Meyer 5 ADVANTAGE-MEYER

National Championships: Harbaugh 0, Meyer 2 ADVANTAGE-MEYER

Teams coached for: Harbaugh 2, Meyer 7 ADVANTAGE-MEYER

Bowl game record: Harbaugh 0-1, Meyer 6-1 ADVANTAGE-MEYER

Coaching Honors: Harbaugh 0, 12 ADVANTAGE-MEYER

Looking at this purely from a coaching experience perspective, I see only two advantages for Harbaugh, he played in the NFL as a QB so he has playing experience, and he briefly coached two years with the Raiders, though it's debatable if that really is an advantage or not given it was the Raiders in 2002-03.

I'll give Harbaugh this; he went straight to HC quickly and he's been pretty successful in what is at this point a very short college coaching career, but Meyer dominates in him in virtually every category they're compared. I think his 13 years as position coaches is a major advantage as well because that's where you really learn the finer points of the game. Meyer also has the distinction of being probably the only college coach Bill Belichick consults with. His offensive system heavily influences the current one McD brought it, and obviously since he's coached Tebow to the Heisman and won a National Championship with him as well as one with Chris Leak, and he's coached guys drafted into the NFL in Leak, Tebow and Alex Smith, that's not bad with Smith the top draft pick and Tebow another #1 pick.

Meyer is the 6th fast coach in NCAA history to reach 100 wins, and the 2nd fastest since 1945, is the first coach to lead a non-BCS team to a BCS bowl, and he's led a major turn-around at each school he's coached at in his first year as head coach so he's well versed in turning around bad situations. Why this guy gets little respect in here given that Tebow is obviously comfortable with him, he has gone undefeated with more than one program and he's the unquestioned best candidate to run the offense this team currently has been using...is a total mystery to me.

It comes down to this, do 2 years in the Raiders system that Harbaugh has make up for 16 years difference in experience that Meyer has over him, including 2 national titles, 7 bowl visits and a history of innovation that has the NFL's best coach picking his brain for tips on the offense he runs? I don't think so. Meyer's only question for me is whether he would come here or not, but he's moved on quickly at each prior stop, each time looking for a bigger stage to coach on...a bigger challenge. His salary is incentive laden and reportedly pays him between $3-4 million a year...more expensive than Josh...but less than I believe TE Daniel Graham is making so how can that not be justified? Finally, Meyer coached at CSU for 6 years, so he obviously likes being in Colorado. What's not to like here? ??? This seems like a natural fit and a guy we can continue with Tebow and not lose a step. He's had a couple of health issues related to stress, but seems in control of that now.

Just do it Pat...

[Ratboy]

Interesting...two years ago before we hired McDaniels, I suggested Urban Meyer was the guy, but almost nobody wanted a college coach. Now almost half the people who answered this poll want Jim Harbaugh, a guy with far less pedigree than Meyer. I maintain there is only ONE coach that makes total sense here, and it's Meyer. I actually like Harbaugh, and I think he's going to be a good head coach in the NFL at some point and I'd be OK with him here, but he's not Meyer. Let's go to the tale of the tape shall we?

Age: Harbaugh 45, Meyer 46 ADVANTAGE-NONE

Years coaching (College): Harbaugh 7, Meyer 24 ADVANTAGE-MEYER (*Note: Harbaugh was an NCAA unpaid graduate assistant for 7 years while he played in the NFL for his father's Western Kentucky team, but unless you believe he flew back and forth every day after practice, this was mostly a part time/titled position his father gave him so I've not included it here.) ADVANTAGE-MEYER

Years coaching (Pro) Harbaugh 2, Meyer 0 ADVANTAGE-HARBAUGH

Positions coached: Harbaugh 1, Meyer, 4 ADVANTAGE-MEYER

Years as a HC: Harbaugh 7, Meyer 10 ADVANTAGE-MEYER

Won/Lost record: Harbaugh 57-27, Meyer 103-23 ADVANTAGE-MEYER

Winning Percentage: Harbaugh .679, Meyer .817 ADVANTAGE-MEYER

Division Championships: Harbaugh 0, Meyer 3 ADVANTAGE-MEYER

Conference Championships:Harbaugh 3, Meyer 5 ADVANTAGE-MEYER

National Championships: Harbaugh 0, Meyer 2 ADVANTAGE-MEYER

Teams coached for: Harbaugh 2, Meyer 7 ADVANTAGE-MEYER

Bowl game record: Harbaugh 0-1, Meyer 6-1 ADVANTAGE-MEYER

Coaching Honors: Harbaugh 0, 12 ADVANTAGE-MEYER

Looking at this purely from a coaching experience perspective, I see only two advantages for Harbaugh, he played in the NFL as a QB so he has playing experience, and he briefly coached two years with the Raiders, though it's debatable if that really is an advantage or not given it was the Raiders in 2002-03.

I'll give Harbaugh this; he went straight to HC quickly and he's been pretty successful in what is at this point a very short college coaching career, but Meyer dominates in him in virtually every category they're compared. I think his 13 years as position coaches is a major advantage as well because that's where you really learn the finer points of the game. Meyer also has the distinction of being probably the only college coach Bill Belichick consults with. His offensive system heavily influences the current one McD brought it, and obviously since he's coached Tebow to the Heisman and won a National Championship with him as well as one with Chris Leak, and he's coached guys drafted into the NFL in Leak, Tebow and Alex Smith, that's not bad with Smith the top draft pick and Tebow another #1 pick.

Meyer is the 6th fast coach in NCAA history to reach 100 wins, and the 2nd fastest since 1945, is the first coach to lead a non-BCS team to a BCS bowl, and he's led a major turn-around at each school he's coached at in his first year as head coach so he's well versed in turning around bad situations. Why this guy gets little respect in here given that Tebow is obviously comfortable with him, he has gone undefeated with more than one program and he's the unquestioned best candidate to run the offense this team currently has been using...is a total mystery to me.

It comes down to this, do 2 years in the Raiders system that Harbaugh has make up for 16 years difference in experience that Meyer has over him, including 2 national titles, 7 bowl visits and a history of innovation that has the NFL's best coach picking his brain for tips on the offense he runs? I don't think so. Meyer's only question for me is whether he would come here or not, but he's moved on quickly at each prior stop, each time looking for a bigger stage to coach on...a bigger challenge. His salary is incentive laden and reportedly pays him between $3-4 million a year...more expensive than Josh...but less than I believe TE Daniel Graham is making so how can that not be justified? Finally, Meyer coached at CSU for 6 years, so he obviously likes being in Colorado. What's not to like here? ??? This seems like a natural fit and a guy we can continue with Tebow and not lose a step. He's had a couple of health issues related to stress, but seems in control of that now.

Just do it Pat...

Urban Meyer will probably have a heart attack on the field.

NO THANKS.

Plus he runs the spread offense.

NO THANKS.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Urban Meyer will probably have a heart attack on the field.

NO THANKS.

Plus he runs the spread offense.

NO THANKS.
Perfect example of the kind of glib dismissal I'm talking about. Meyer suffered from esophageal spasms from stress, not a heart related condition. (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:z3RcD9a3lw0J:sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story%3Fid%3D4772952+%22urban+meyer%22+AND+heart+c ondition&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us)

He took some time off and changed his schedule, limiting his travel for recruting. Dan Reeves suffered heart related stress and had a quad by-pass operation. He was a hothead with stress dominating him too, but it didn't impact his NFl career.

As for the spread, the Pats win Lombardies with it...and in case you're unaware, we are using it right NOW, so what's the problem? BTW...Meyer's system also incorporate elements from Bill Walsh's WCO as well.

Who would know the talent in the SEC any better than Meyer going into next years draft BGW?

Any more objections to the guy with the highest active winning percentage of any college coach in the game with 5 years or more experience?

[randomtask]

Top picks:

1A: Harbaugh. He's worked magic at Stanford, and knows how to develop quarterbacks (see Luck, Andrew). Runs a 3-4 defense, and has produced close to immediate turnarounds at every place he's coached. The only big negative would be that I'm not sure he would try to develop and use Tebow as the QBoTF.

1B: Gruden. Super bowl winner, QB guru, will work with Tebow,he'll do everything he possibly can to screw over Oakland and Al Davis at any point he can (big plus in my book), knows how to build an offense (the tampa problems were mostly caused by the owners being penny-pinchers, IMO) One negative would be that he may switch to a 4-3, though May decide to go with what's established instead.

3: Cowher. Super Bowl winner, knows how to build a defense (did it before LeBeau), has no problem using unconventional QBs (Kordell Stewart, Roethlisberger), would see a commitment to the run game that we sorely need. Two big negatives, however. First, He's never built a top flight offense. Second, unlike the two coaches before him, I'm not sure he would coach with the needed intensity to reach the championship level (due to him already proving himself (ala mike Shanahan) and also due to the personal events going on in his life.

I think Rivera would also be a fine choice, but i'm too lazy to write up the reasons why right now.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Top picks:

1A: Harbaugh. He's worked magic at Stanford, and knows how to develop quarterbacks (see Luck, Andrew). Runs a 3-4 defense, and has produced close to immediate turnarounds at every place he's coached. The only big negative would be that I'm not sure he would try to develop and use Tebow as the QBoTF.
That's a huge negative IMO. Meyer has worked even more magic with QB's, and has an even stronger record of turning programs around, so how does he not make your list when Harbaugh does? This was my point above...people don't want Meyer because he's a colelge coach but they're OK with Harbaugh who hasn't come close to doing what Meyer has.

I'd genuinely like to hear your thinking on Meyer vs. Harbaugh.

[footstepsfrom#27]

40-8...FIVE TIMES as many polled want Harbaugh over Meyer...I ask, on the basis of WHAT?

[fontaine]

When are people going to realize that a HC isn't the answer to our problems.

It's about the coaching staff and FO.

- An experienced/veteran DC who knows how to get the best out of the available talent and isn't just a yes man to our HC.
- Good OL/RB coaches that can commit to the right group of OL early rather than chopping and changing our starters every two weeks.
- And finally a GM/Scouting department that doesn't throw away or trade talent for nothing but brings in young talent and resigns our core group of players.

Gimme all of that anyday over a brand name HC like Gruden.

Speaking of which hiring Gruden would be a terrible move. All this guy did in TB was get into confrontations with players, piss off assistant coaches and FO people. He's just another one in a long line of guys who have more ego than ability.

Gimme a Head Coach like Dungy/Cowher etc who have shown they don't just delegate and trust assistants but bring stability to their teams rather than ego and conflict.

[extralife]

Urban Meyer ain't coming here whether we want him or not. Dude almost resigned a posh Florida gig that Shanny almost took as a vacation for stress related reasons.

[randomtask]

40-8...FIVE TIMES as many polled want Harbaugh over Meyer...I ask, on the basis of WHAT?

1) Harbaugh runs a pro-style offense, which has had much more success in the NFL than the spread. The spread is generally accepted to produce weaker pass protection than traditional offenses, so the QB is more likely to be injured in a spread offense, and an injured starting QB in the NFL generally means you will not win much the rest of the season. Also historically, teams that run the spread offense (Houston Oilers, Atlanta Falcons, and Detroit Lions of the 80's & 90's) have had a very hard time holding onto leads, and in fact, has led to some of the biggest comebacks of all time. The Pats incorporated Meyer's system into their offense in 2007, so your example of the Pats winning super bowls with it isn't really valid. I should also mention that the only reason that the patriots can run the spread effectively is because they have one the best QB's in the league in Tom Brady, who has one of the fastest reader's of defenses in the league, and a line that is incredible at pass protection.

2) The turnaround of Stanford is more impressive than the ones produced by Meyer. Harbaugh took a team that went 1-11 the year before he was hired and brought it to it's best season since 1940, all while doing it at a school with academic requirements stringent enough to rule out a majority of Division 1 talent. Meyers turnarounds (a 2-9 bowling green team to 9-3, a 5-6 Utah team to 12-0, and a 7-5 Florida team to a national power) were not as drastic as the job that Harbaugh has done.

3) You can't simply disregard health issues that prompted Meyer to briefly resign from his coaching job at Florida. Even if the health issues aren't life-threatening, they can still have an effect, particularly a mental effect. It's a fact that had Meyer was much less involved with his coaching duties during this previous off-season. This was due to his own concerns for his health. One could speculate that perhaps some of the problems that Florida's had could be due perhaps taking a less stress-intensive approach to coaching. While this is pure speculation, it does still make some sense. If he is concerned about the level of stress he's under, than it's very unlikely that he'll want to coach in the pressure-cooker that is Denver.

Those are my three big reasons. I do have to say that I could be wrong, as he's got plenty of qualities that you look for in a head coach, but I see a fair amount of risk in it, and I don't see that the disparity between Meyer and Harbaugh's resume is as big as you've been suggesting.

Note: Also, you said that Meyer is great at working magic with QB's. While they have put up good stats in college, the NFL product has been either unproven (Tebow) or a bust (Alex Smith).

[maher_tyler]

That's a huge negative IMO. Meyer has worked even more magic with QB's, and has an even stronger record of turning programs around, so how does he not make your list when Harbaugh does? This was my point above...people don't want Meyer because he's a colelge coach but they're OK with Harbaugh who hasn't come close to doing what Meyer has.

I'd genuinely like to hear your thinking on Meyer vs. Harbaugh.

Meyer didn't correct Tebow's mechanics the 4 years he was at Florida..now all of a sudden i am suppose to believe he's a QB guru??

[srphoenix]

New guy that the Denver Post thinks might have a shot. I don't know much if anything about the guy though, hopefully someone here has a clearer idea of who he is and if he might be a good fit.

http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/2010/12/08/coach-candidate-to-watch-raiders-hue-jackson/6056/

[colonelbeef]

either of the top 2 choices would be fine by me.

[bronco_diesel]

Interesting...two years ago before we hired McDaniels, I suggested Urban Meyer was the guy, but almost nobody wanted a college coach. Now almost half the people who answered this poll want Jim Harbaugh, a guy with far less pedigree than Meyer. I maintain there is only ONE coach that makes total sense here, and it's Meyer. I actually like Harbaugh, and I think he's going to be a good head coach in the NFL at some point and I'd be OK with him here, but he's not Meyer. Let's go to the tale of the tape shall we?

Age: Harbaugh 45, Meyer 46 ADVANTAGE-NONE

Years coaching (College): Harbaugh 7, Meyer 24 ADVANTAGE-MEYER (*Note: Harbaugh was an NCAA unpaid graduate assistant for 7 years while he played in the NFL for his father's Western Kentucky team, but unless you believe he flew back and forth every day after practice, this was mostly a part time/titled position his father gave him so I've not included it here.) ADVANTAGE-MEYER

Years coaching (Pro) Harbaugh 2, Meyer 0 ADVANTAGE-HARBAUGH

Positions coached: Harbaugh 1, Meyer, 4 ADVANTAGE-MEYER

Years as a HC: Harbaugh 7, Meyer 10 ADVANTAGE-MEYER

Won/Lost record: Harbaugh 57-27, Meyer 103-23 ADVANTAGE-MEYER

Winning Percentage: Harbaugh .679, Meyer .817 ADVANTAGE-MEYER

Division Championships: Harbaugh 0, Meyer 3 ADVANTAGE-MEYER

Conference Championships:Harbaugh 3, Meyer 5 ADVANTAGE-MEYER

National Championships: Harbaugh 0, Meyer 2 ADVANTAGE-MEYER

Teams coached for: Harbaugh 2, Meyer 7 ADVANTAGE-MEYER

Bowl game record: Harbaugh 0-1, Meyer 6-1 ADVANTAGE-MEYER

Coaching Honors: Harbaugh 0, 12 ADVANTAGE-MEYER

Looking at this purely from a coaching experience perspective, I see only two advantages for Harbaugh, he played in the NFL as a QB so he has playing experience, and he briefly coached two years with the Raiders, though it's debatable if that really is an advantage or not given it was the Raiders in 2002-03.

I'll give Harbaugh this; he went straight to HC quickly and he's been pretty successful in what is at this point a very short college coaching career, but Meyer dominates in him in virtually every category they're compared. I think his 13 years as position coaches is a major advantage as well because that's where you really learn the finer points of the game. Meyer also has the distinction of being probably the only college coach Bill Belichick consults with. His offensive system heavily influences the current one McD brought it, and obviously since he's coached Tebow to the Heisman and won a National Championship with him as well as one with Chris Leak, and he's coached guys drafted into the NFL in Leak, Tebow and Alex Smith, that's not bad with Smith the top draft pick and Tebow another #1 pick.

Meyer is the 6th fast coach in NCAA history to reach 100 wins, and the 2nd fastest since 1945, is the first coach to lead a non-BCS team to a BCS bowl, and he's led a major turn-around at each school he's coached at in his first year as head coach so he's well versed in turning around bad situations. Why this guy gets little respect in here given that Tebow is obviously comfortable with him, he has gone undefeated with more than one program and he's the unquestioned best candidate to run the offense this team currently has been using...is a total mystery to me.

It comes down to this, do 2 years in the Raiders system that Harbaugh has make up for 16 years difference in experience that Meyer has over him, including 2 national titles, 7 bowl visits and a history of innovation that has the NFL's best coach picking his brain for tips on the offense he runs? I don't think so. Meyer's only question for me is whether he would come here or not, but he's moved on quickly at each prior stop, each time looking for a bigger stage to coach on...a bigger challenge. His salary is incentive laden and reportedly pays him between $3-4 million a year...more expensive than Josh...but less than I believe TE Daniel Graham is making so how can that not be justified? Finally, Meyer coached at CSU for 6 years, so he obviously likes being in Colorado. What's not to like here? ??? This seems like a natural fit and a guy we can continue with Tebow and not lose a step. He's had a couple of health issues related to stress, but seems in control of that now.

Just do it Pat...

Plus Urban Meyer has the cooler name.

I honestly would not be opposed to him. I think he could make a good HC...I just wonder if he would be good with a strong GM?

[Rohirrim]

I would humbly suggest that the Denver Broncos fanbase does not want to go to a triple option, spread, or whatever else you want to call it - a gimmicky offense. They don't like it. Part of the problem Josh had here was that fans don't like watching that ****. We have grown used to dominating on the ground. We take pride in our ability to ram the ball down the opponent's throats when we want. That was the Shanahan signature, or legacy, or whatever you want to call it, and IMHO, Denver fans don't want to give that up. In fact, that's part of why Shanahan got the boot. It got to where couldn't shove the ball into the EZ from inside the ten. That pissed people off. Maybe that's the core element behind the loss of Hillis - He was the kind of back that Broncos fans love.

I've heard it from friends and fans at work ever since Josh came here. Denver fans look at the run numbers and aren't satisfied. They remember when the national media would say, "You can take any running back and plug them in on the Broncos and come out with 1,000 yards." Denver fans took pride in that. To have a new coach come in and alter that dynamic just wasn't going to be popular. Denver fans like to dominate on the ground and then have the occasional bomb. Leave the tricky **** to Florida. We live in the West. We want a certain ****-kicking quality to our football. ;D

[footstepsfrom#27]

1) Harbaugh runs a pro-style offense, which has had much more success in the NFL than the spread. The spread is generally accepted to produce weaker pass protection than traditional offenses, so the QB is more likely to be injured in a spread offense, and an injured starting QB in the NFL generally means you will not win much the rest of the season. Also historically, teams that run the spread offense (Houston Oilers, Atlanta Falcons, and Detroit Lions of the 80's & 90's) have had a very hard time holding onto leads, and in fact, has led to some of the biggest comebacks of all time.
First of all, you need to do a little research on Meyer's spread option and the way he incorporated elements from half a dozen other offensive systems into it, including the WCO he got from Bill Walsh and stuff he got from Louisville, Northwestern, Kansas State, W. Virginia and Purdue. Meyers offense is a run-first offense that does not try to fit players into the system, it fits the system to the players. That's why Florida's offense under Leak was different than it was under Tebow or from how Alex Smith ran it at Utah. Meyer is not a slave to a system at all, and the spread as he runs it differs completely from what you're describing has been run with some pro teams. The spread as he's running it was not even around before this.
The Pats incorporated Meyer's system into their offense in 2007, so your example of the Pats winning super bowls with it isn't really valid. I should also mention that the only reason that the patriots can run the spread effectively is because they have one the best QB's in the league in Tom Brady, who has one of the fastest reader's of defenses in the league, and a line that is incredible at pass protection.
Correct on the Pats timeline, but they did manage to go 18-1 using it before they ran into the Giants D-line, but more to the point it's what is in place NOW at Dove Valley, and the players McDaniels drafted were taken to fit this system, most notably of course Tebow. Every NFL team has used versions of this offense at time. What you will get with Meyer in the NFL is not the same offense you will get at Florida. Meyer will adopt his offense around what his talent dictates he can do, something McDaniels was attempting to do unsuccessfully, in part no doubt due to the injuries this team has gone through in the line and with Moreno. Harbaugh or somebody else will junk this and we're back to where we were two years ago facing yet another system change.
2) The turnaround of Stanford is more impressive than the ones produced by Meyer. Harbaugh took a team that went 1-11 the year before he was hired and brought it to it's best season since 1940, all while doing it at a school with academic requirements stringent enough to rule out a majority of Division 1 talent. Meyers turnarounds (a 2-9 bowling green team to 9-3, a 5-6 Utah team to 12-0, and a 7-5 Florida team to a national power) were not as drastic as the job that Harbaugh has done.
OK, first of all, suggesting Stanford's academic requirements makes it hard for them to get Divison I talent is ridiculous. All you have to do is look at the historical record on who has played there, including Elway. Stanford has never been a PAC 10 power, but they've been competitive at least.

Second, Harbaugh did not turn that program around in one year like Meyer did at Bowling Green and Utah. It took him 4 years, finishing 4-8, 5-7 and 8-5 before this season's 11-1 finish...7th, 6th and 2nd place finishes before this year in the PAC 10. The Cardinals were 5-6 under Walt Harris the year before they finished 1-11 and in fact Jack Elway took over a Cardinals team from Paul Wiggin that went 1-10 and won 5 his first year, exceeding what Harbaugh did in his first year with Stanford. Meyer has never had a losing season by contrast and his Bowling Green team that jumped to 8-3 from 2-9 was also a 5-6 team prior to that 2-9 season, but the team he took over became the first MAC team ever to beat three BCS teams in one season. They averaged 40 points a game and cracked the top 20 both seasons he was there, so no, Harbaugh's turnaround that took 4 seasons does not compare with what Meyer did in one.

Finally, you failed to mention the San Diego University team he coached and I see why. SDU plays in the Pioneer League, a 1AA league with schools that agree not to offer scholarships. Their competition was juggernauts like Davidson, Drake, Campbell and Marist College...do you seriously think this ranks alongside taking a 5-6 team and going 22-2 with Utah including an undefeated 12-0 season and a 35-7 blowout win over Pitt in the Fiesta Bowl?
3) You can't simply disregard health issues that prompted Meyer to briefly resign from his coaching job at Florida. Even if the health issues aren't life-threatening, they can still have an effect, particularly a mental effect. It's a fact that had Meyer was much less involved with his coaching duties during this previous off-season. This was due to his own concerns for his health. One could speculate that perhaps some of the problems that Florida's had could be due perhaps taking a less stress-intensive approach to coaching. While this is pure speculation, it does still make some sense. If he is concerned about the level of stress he's under, than it's very unlikely that he'll want to coach in the pressure-cooker that is Denver.
Meyer is under just as much if not MORE stress being a coach in the SEC at Florida, which has a huge fan base larger than Denver's, aggressive and vocal boosters with little patience and cut throat SEC competition from rival coaches hoping to topple UF in recruiting wars. Meyers lack of involvement consisted of cutting down on his travel and personal visits to recruits homes, something he doesn't have to do in the NFL anyway. You're right...pure speculation. Give the guy credit for recognizing a problem and taking steps to fix it. If you're looking for reasons for Florida's one season decline look no farther than a team that was built around Tebow now trying to adjust without him. They will be fine when he fine tunes that offense again next year I'm sure. Every college team goes through off seasons anyway, it's hardly a phenomenon unique to Florida.
Those are my three big reasons. I do have to say that I could be wrong, as he's got plenty of qualities that you look for in a head coach, but I see a fair amount of risk in it, and I don't see that the disparity between Meyer and Harbaugh's resume is as big as you've been suggesting.
It's actually bigger than I've suggested. Jim Harbaugh has four years experience coaching at a real university program that offers scholarships, and has one really special team in the 11-1 current Cardinal team with Luck at QB. I don't count coaching non scholarship athletes as being worth the same, nor should you. Considering only coaching scholarship programs, Harbaughs 28-21 record pales next to the 103-23 one Meyer has. Harbaugh would need to go 75-2 at Stanford over the next 7 seasons just to equal it. Even if you add in his performance at the 1AA level with a non scholarship program, 57-27 is a long way away from Meyer's amazing record...he'd need to go 46-0 just to equal the win total now.
Note: Also, you said that Meyer is great at working magic with QB's. While they have put up good stats in college, the NFL product has been either unproven (Tebow) or a bust (Alex Smith).
I didn't say he worked magic, I said Tebow was comfortable with him and they obviously have had success together, plus he'd be operating in a system he's familiar with as a continuation more or less of what Josh was setting up. As for Smith, he's mostly been ineffective due to injury and the lack of any decent talent in SF until recently, but as a career starter in the league, he's not really the definition of a bust, just a guy caught in a poor situation where his surrounding caste has been mediocre at best till now. Tebow, whether unproven or not certainly doesn't deserve to be placed into some kind of category that disparages Meyer since he's not even seen the field yet...in other words the jury is still out but the early returns look good just based on what we've seen so far. Do you really want to cancel what he's done so far in favor of a coach who went 28-21 with one top flight season on his record in college resume?

[oubronco]

Please hire a competent GM before hiring a coach

[footstepsfrom#27]

I would humbly suggest that the Denver Broncos fanbase does not want to go to a triple option, spread, or whatever else you want to call it - a gimmicky offense. They don't like it. Part of the problem Josh had here was that fans don't like watching that ****. We have grown used to dominating on the ground. We take pride in our ability to ram the ball down the opponent's throats when we want. That was the Shanahan signature, or legacy, or whatever you want to call it, and IMHO, Denver fans don't want to give that up. In fact, that's part of why Shanahan got the boot. It got to where couldn't shove the ball into the EZ from inside the ten. That pissed people off. Maybe that's the core element behind the loss of Hillis - He was the kind of back that Broncos fans love.

I've heard it from friends and fans at work ever since Josh came here. Denver fans look at the run numbers and aren't satisfied. They remember when the national media would say, "You can take any running back and plug them in on the Broncos and come out with 1,000 yards." Denver fans took pride in that. To have a new coach come in and alter that dynamic just wasn't going to be popular. Denver fans like to dominate on the ground and then have the occasional bomb. Leave the tricky **** to Florida. We live in the West. We want a certain ****-kicking quality to our football. ;D
Denver's been a finesse team the entire time Shanny was here, using a system that featured smallish mobile linemen over bigger more physical guys pounding it up the gut. Meyer's system is actually a run first offense, and Tebow did rush for 21 TD's in a single season there, more than Hershel Walker did in one season. The SZB scheme has not shown to work as well as more teams have adopted it, thus reducing the uniqueness factor, increasing the size of teams looking to draft from that talent pool, and generally, we've not won squat since Elway left so who cares what pride we can take in how we run the ball? I want championships, not nostalgia.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Meyer didn't correct Tebow's mechanics the 4 years he was at Florida..now all of a sudden i am suppose to believe he's a QB guru??
Right...you'd have sat him down his Heisman Trophy winning season and worked on mechanics, something that obviously didn't make a hill of beans worth of difference at the college level? Are you serious? NOT messing with a guy who turned in the strongest QB performance in years...was a good idea considering the job he was doing was in the SEC not the NFL. Meyer's job was to win in the SEC, not train Tebow for the NFL. Lots of people think this is overblown also.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Plus Urban Meyer has the cooler name.

I honestly would not be opposed to him. I think he could make a good HC...I just wonder if he would be good with a strong GM?
I don't see why not, but a better question; will we even get a strong GM? Bowlen has shown no desire to do that yet. Maybe this latest fiasco will open his eyes.

[Rohirrim]

Denver's been a finesse team the entire time Shanny was here, using a system that featured smallish mobile linemen over bigger more physical guys pounding it up the gut. Meyer's system is actually a run first offense, and Tebow did rush for 21 TD's in a single season there, more than Hershel Walker did in one season. The SZB scheme has not shown to work as well as more teams have adopted it, thus reducing the uniqueness factor, increasing the size of teams looking to draft from that talent pool, and generally, we've not won squat since Elway left so who cares what pride we can take in how we run the ball? I want championships, not nostalgia.

All I want is nostalgia. STFU dimwit.

Fortunately, Urban Meyer is never coming here, and hopefully, Tebow gets traded (if we can get a fourth for him somewhere), so I don't have to worry about it.

[footstepsfrom#27]

All I want is nostalgia. STFU dimwit.
You're no Moc.
Fortunately, Urban Meyer is never coming here, and hopefully, Tebow gets traded (if we can get a fourth for him somewhere), so I don't have to worry about it.
Don't be an idiot...OK to late, but seriously get a grip. You have no idea if he's going to make it here, certainly nothing we've seen says he won't.

[montrose]

After a bit to stew on it, my personal preference would be a GM (but NOT DeCosta) along with a very seasoned coordinator like Ron Rivera.

[Rohirrim]

You're no Moc.

Don't be an idiot...OK to late, but seriously get a grip. You have no idea if he's going to make it here, certainly nothing we've seen says he won't.

When did you move into drama llama territory? Tebow has thrown one pass in the NFL, a soft lob screen. He's either our hidden weapon, or he isn't showing anybody ****. Let's just say, he hasn't exactly busted his way into the lineup. Will the next coach be enamored with the spread, or come in and try and turn Tebow into a pocket QB? Will he ever be anything other than a Wildcat option gimmick? ??? There have been lots and lots of players who were winners in college but not in the pros. IMO, Tebow was Josh's gamble. I can see your argument for Meyer. He's probably one of the few coaches who would continue to invest in that gamble. If we don't get a coach like that, does Tebow stick around? What you are arguing is that the franchise should double down on Tebow and commit the franchise to his future. I haven't seen anything to warrant that kind of investment.

[footstepsfrom#27]

When did you move into drama llama territory? Tebow has thrown one pass in the NFL, a soft lob screen. He's either our hidden weapon, or he isn't showing anybody ****. Let's just say, he hasn't exactly busted his way into the lineup. Will the next coach be enamored with the spread, or come in and try and turn Tebow into a pocket QB? Will he ever be anything other than a Wildcat option gimmick? ??? There have been lots and lots of players who were winners in college but not in the pros. IMO, Tebow was Josh's gamble. I can see your argument for Meyer. He's probably one of the few coaches who would continue to invest in that gamble. If we don't get a coach like that, does Tebow stick around? What you are arguing is that the franchise should double down on Tebow and commit the franchise to his future. I haven't seen anything to warrant that kind of investment.
You probably look at Tebow with his over publicized mechanical problems and theorize that this in some way makes him the biggest gamble at the QB position out there. I on the other hand, look at the intanbibles first, not last. I see the leadership and the other stuff that had NFL coaches drooling over that aspect of him as a QB, and I realize that Tebow is not just another college QB, he's got physical as well as mental/emotional skills that radically separate him from other college QB's. If Tebow hasn't played, it's probably got a lot more to do with McDaniels wanting to do it his way like he did with Brady, as opposed to him not being able to show anything. With a solid starter in Orton, why does Tebow need to do anything except sit and learn like Phillip Rivers did? Or would you have bailed out on Rivers after one year also since the Chargers had Drew Breeze at the time? And yes you're right...I'm arguing they should commit the franchise's future into Tebow's hands, absolutley. It's clear Orton can get this team only so far when protection breaks down and while he's a wonderful technician, he can't make plays on his own. Elway likes Tebow...good enough for you? It's good enough for me.

[Rohirrim]

You probably look at Tebow with his over publicized mechanical problems and theorize that this in some way makes him the biggest gamble at the QB position out there. I on the other hand, look at the intanbibles first, not last. I see the leadership and the other stuff that had NFL coaches drooling over that aspect of him as a QB, and I realize that Tebow is not just another college QB, he's got physical as well as mental/emotional skills that radically separate him from other college QB's. If Tebow hasn't played, it's probably got a lot more to do with McDaniels wanting to do it his way like he did with Brady, as opposed to him not being able to show anything. With a solid starter in Orton, why does Tebow need to do anything except sit and learn like Phillip Rivers did? Or would you have bailed out on Rivers after one year also since the Chargers had Drew Breeze at the time? And yes you're right...I'm arguing they should commit the franchise's future into Tebow's hands, absolutley. It's clear Orton can get this team only so far when protection breaks down and while he's a wonderful technician, he can't make plays on his own. Elway likes Tebow...good enough for you? It's good enough for me.

Or is Tebow just another spread offense QB who is going to have a difficult time adjusting to the NFL? All spread QBs coming from college have problems. They're used to being farther back than in the NFL. They're not over center. They don't have all the protection schemes to worry about. The mechanics of moving your feet and passing are different. Anyway, with Josh now gone, what is the future of a spread offense in Denver? I loved watching Tebow in college. No doubt. He was a hugely entertaining player to watch. Will he be able to translate his game to the pros. I wouldn't bet the franchise on it. Especially not right now when it would be an "all-in" kind of bet.

[Crushaholic]

I voted for Martyball, just as an inside joke with my wife. Her dad loves to replace the "o" in "Schott" with an "i", making for a very derogatory-sounding last name...:spit:

[randomtask]

First of all, you need to do a little research on Meyer's spread option and the way he incorporated elements from half a dozen other offensive systems into it, including the WCO he got from Bill Walsh and stuff he got from Louisville, Northwestern, Kansas State, W. Virginia and Purdue. Meyers offense is a run-first offense that does not try to fit players into the system, it fits the system to the players. That's why Florida's offense under Leak was different than it was under Tebow or from how Alex Smith ran it at Utah. Meyer is not a slave to a system at all, and the spread as he runs it differs completely from what you're describing has been run with some pro teams. The spread as he's running it was not even around before this.

Correct on the Pats timeline, but they did manage to go 18-1 using it before they ran into the Giants D-line, but more to the point it's what is in place NOW at Dove Valley, and the players McDaniels drafted were taken to fit this system, most notably of course Tebow. Every NFL team has used versions of this offense at time. What you will get with Meyer in the NFL is not the same offense you will get at Florida. Meyer will adopt his offense around what his talent dictates he can do, something McDaniels was attempting to do unsuccessfully, in part no doubt due to the injuries this team has gone through in the line and with Moreno. Harbaugh or somebody else will junk this and we're back to where we were two years ago facing yet another system change.

OK, first of all, suggesting Stanford's academic requirements makes it hard for them to get Divison I talent is ridiculous. All you have to do is look at the historical record on who has played there, including Elway. Stanford has never been a PAC 10 power, but they've been competitive at least.

Second, Harbaugh did not turn that program around in one year like Meyer did at Bowling Green and Utah. It took him 4 years, finishing 4-8, 5-7 and 8-5 before this season's 11-1 finish...7th, 6th and 2nd place finishes before this year in the PAC 10. The Cardinals were 5-6 under Walt Harris the year before they finished 1-11 and in fact Jack Elway took over a Cardinals team from Paul Wiggin that went 1-10 and won 5 his first year, exceeding what Harbaugh did in his first year with Stanford. Meyer has never had a losing season by contrast and his Bowling Green team that jumped to 8-3 from 2-9 was also a 5-6 team prior to that 2-9 season, but the team he took over became the first MAC team ever to beat three BCS teams in one season. They averaged 40 points a game and cracked the top 20 both seasons he was there, so no, Harbaugh's turnaround that took 4 seasons does not compare with what Meyer did in one.

Finally, you failed to mention the San Diego University team he coached and I see why. SDU plays in the Pioneer League, a 1AA league with schools that agree not to offer scholarships. Their competition was juggernauts like Davidson, Drake, Campbell and Marist College...do you seriously think this ranks alongside taking a 5-6 team and going 22-2 with Utah including an undefeated 12-0 season and a 35-7 blowout win over Pitt in the Fiesta Bowl?

Meyer is under just as much if not MORE stress being a coach in the SEC at Florida, which has a huge fan base larger than Denver's, aggressive and vocal boosters with little patience and cut throat SEC competition from rival coaches hoping to topple UF in recruiting wars. Meyers lack of involvement consisted of cutting down on his travel and personal visits to recruits homes, something he doesn't have to do in the NFL anyway. You're right...pure speculation. Give the guy credit for recognizing a problem and taking steps to fix it. If you're looking for reasons for Florida's one season decline look no farther than a team that was built around Tebow now trying to adjust without him. They will be fine when he fine tunes that offense again next year I'm sure. Every college team goes through off seasons anyway, it's hardly a phenomenon unique to Florida.

It's actually bigger than I've suggested. Jim Harbaugh has four years experience coaching at a real university program that offers scholarships, and has one really special team in the 11-1 current Cardinal team with Luck at QB. I don't count coaching non scholarship athletes as being worth the same, nor should you. Considering only coaching scholarship programs, Harbaughs 28-21 record pales next to the 103-23 one Meyer has. Harbaugh would need to go 75-2 at Stanford over the next 7 seasons just to equal it. Even if you add in his performance at the 1AA level with a non scholarship program, 57-27 is a long way away from Meyer's amazing record...he'd need to go 46-0 just to equal the win total now.

I didn't say he worked magic, I said Tebow was comfortable with him and they obviously have had success together, plus he'd be operating in a system he's familiar with as a continuation more or less of what Josh was setting up. As for Smith, he's mostly been ineffective due to injury and the lack of any decent talent in SF until recently, but as a career starter in the league, he's not really the definition of a bust, just a guy caught in a poor situation where his surrounding caste has been mediocre at best till now. Tebow, whether unproven or not certainly doesn't deserve to be placed into some kind of category that disparages Meyer since he's not even seen the field yet...in other words the jury is still out but the early returns look good just based on what we've seen so far. Do you really want to cancel what he's done so far in favor of a coach who went 28-21 with one top flight season on his record in college resume?

Just a few things, as I can see you're not going to change your mind.

1) yes, his spread offense is run-heavy. But the majority of the running comes from the option. Want to guess the last time the clear-cut biggest running threat on Florida's offense was a running back? 2006, and even then you could argue that both a rookie Tebow and Harvin were bigger running threats (Tebow leads with touchdowns, and Harvin with YPC). Unless you're suggesting that the option Meyer ran so well in college would translate into the pro game, then how he would handle the running game is a huge question mark.

This seems to be the biggest issue between us. I'm not convinced that someone who's relied on an option run game his entire coaching career can easily switch to a run game with little in terms of option play. I'm also not convinced that Meyer is the person who can successfully adopt the option to the pro game. I'm also not convinced that Meyer would use the offense the way it is: I haven't seen a coach from the college game besides Barry Switzer do that.

2) The point of me mentioning Stanford's academic requirements was to highlight the smaller pool of talent Stanford has to draw from. The number of prospects Stanford has to choose from is a helluva lot smaller than Florida's and probably even smaller than Utah's.

3)Harbaugh didn't turn around Stanford in a year, but then again it was a lot worse situation than any of the programs Meyer went to. And now it's playing in the Orange Bowl.

4)I didn't mention San Diego because I wanted to have the comparisons be as even as possible, the same reason I compared the best Meyer did at his respective programs with where he started. Not really sure why you're acting like him coaching San Diego was a bad thing, though...

5)You did say he worked magic with QBs, In the first post you responded to me. Number 33 in the thread. Don't worry, everyone forgets some things at times.

However, here's the biggest thing:

6) I'm not saying there is no way that he could be a good NFL coach. I'm not saying he is terrible, or attacking him, or saying that hiring him would be a horrible decision. I'm simply saying he's not a slam dunk at the position that you seem to be indicating he is. If he comes to coach the broncos, there will be a transition, and I'm not convinced that it will be smooth.

edit: Of course, now it looks like he's giving coaching up, so it doesn't really matter.

[oubronco]

After a bit to stew on it, my personal preference would be a GM (but NOT DeCosta) along with a very seasoned coordinator like Ron Rivera.

Why not Decosta he seems to have his shyt together

[footstepsfrom#27]

Or is Tebow just another spread offense QB who is going to have a difficult time adjusting to the NFL? All spread QBs coming from college have problems. They're used to being farther back than in the NFL. They're not over center. They don't have all the protection schemes to worry about. The mechanics of moving your feet and passing are different. Anyway, with Josh now gone, what is the future of a spread offense in Denver? I loved watching Tebow in college. No doubt. He was a hugely entertaining player to watch. Will he be able to translate his game to the pros. I wouldn't bet the franchise on it. Especially not right now when it would be an "all-in" kind of bet.
Better tell Elway then, so he can pass all this on to Pat and we can dump him before we make a huge mistake by letting him have a shot at the job.

Lots of people thought Steve Young wouldn't make it either.

[footstepsfrom#27]

edit: Of course, now it looks like he's giving coaching up, so it doesn't really matter.
Very unfortunate if he holds to that.

Back to my original question...two years ago almost nobody on this board wanted a college coach, even one with the highest winning percentage among active coaches who knows this offense inside out and won two national titles with it. Now nearly half the posters who responded to the poll want ONE GUY, namely Jim Harbaugh. My original question...why should a college coach with 28 wins using scholarship players even be in this conversation? Harbaugh has ONE season of real notable success and this makes him qualified to coach the Broncos? Well 44% of posters think he's the answer...based on WHAT? I submit wishing for Urban Meyer makes tons more sense than that.

BTW...how difficult do you think it was to get young black players to come play in Salt Lake City Utah? Hint...there are about 20 black people in Utah and half of those play on the Utah Jazz...so no, the talent pool is not smaller than Stanford's.

[Rohirrim]

Better tell Elway then, so he can pass all this on to Pat and we can dump him before we make a huge mistake by letting him have a shot at the job.

Lots of people thought Steve Young wouldn't make it either.

What a drama queen.

[Rohirrim]

Very unfortunate if he holds to that.

Back to my original question...two years ago almost nobody on this board wanted a college coach, even one with the highest winning percentage among active coaches who knows this offense inside out and won two national titles with it. Now nearly half the posters who responded to the poll want ONE GUY, namely Jim Harbaugh. My original question...why should a college coach with 28 wins using scholarship players even be in this conversation? Harbaugh has ONE season of real notable success and this makes him qualified to coach the Broncos? Well 44% of posters think he's the answer...based on WHAT? I submit wishing for Urban Meyer makes tons more sense than that.

BTW...how difficult do you think it was to get young black players to come play in Salt Lake City Utah? Hint...there are about 20 black people in Utah and half of those play on the Utah Jazz...so no, the talent pool is not smaller than Stanford's.

Moot point because Urban is out, but how much NFL experience does he have? Not one day. Harbaugh? 16 years of NFL experience. Case closed.

[footstepsfrom#27]

What a drama queen.
Not a drama queen, just calling balls and strikes like I see them, just like you would. I guess if you pursue your point that makes you a drama queen. Fine...whatever...in the end you have no rebutals, just silly insults.

You contributed nothing to this discussion, but thanks anyway.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Moot point because Urban is out, but how much NFL experience does he have? Not one day. Harbaugh? 16 years of NFL experience. Case closed.
Harbaugh does not have 16 years of NFL coaching experience, he has 2 and he spent those with Al Davis 3 ring circus. If playing the game makes one qualified for a head coaching spot, then just pick anyone who played in the NFL and plug them in.

The fact is, he has 28 wins in college coaching real NCAA players not walk-on intramurral types. Do you seriously think he's qualified after ONE good season at Stanford? Meyer at least has been the ultimate winner in college, and Harbaugh has not.

[randomtask]

BTW...how difficult do you think it was to get young black players to come play in Salt Lake City Utah? Hint...there are about 20 black people in Utah and half of those play on the Utah Jazz...so no, the talent pool is not smaller than Stanford's.
I wasn't talking talking about having more black players to recruit, I simply think that there is a much smaller number of people in the world who not only have the on-the-field work ethic, desire, and talent to play Division 1A collegiate football, but also have the off-the-field work ethic and smarts to get accepted into Stanford university. Believe it or not, it's actually a really hard school to get into.

Also, I have a question: If the Broncos did hypothetically choose Harbaugh as the coach, would you support him?

[razorwire77]

Lolerz at Santa having more votes than Troy Calhoun.

[listopencil]

I am writing in a vote for Zombie Meyer. That is, if he dies I think we should bring him in.

[Rohirrim]

Harbaugh does not have 16 years of NFL coaching experience, he has 2 and he spent those with Al Davis 3 ring circus. If playing the game makes one qualified for a head coaching spot, then just pick anyone who played in the NFL and plug them in.

The fact is, he has 28 wins in college coaching real NCAA players not walk-on intramurral types. Do you seriously think he's qualified after ONE good season at Stanford? Meyer at least has been the ultimate winner in college, and Harbaugh has not.

You obviously have some religious devotion to Urban Meyer. No point in discussing it.

[footstepsfrom#27]

You obviously have some religious devotion to Urban Meyer. No point in discussing it.
Whatever...not like you actually discussed much relevant to the topic anyway.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Also, I have a question: If the Broncos did hypothetically choose Harbaugh as the coach, would you support him?
Of course I'd support him, unless of course he comes in here, destroys the fabric of this team by creating all kinds of controvercy, divides the fan base, makes a bunch of crazy trades and ****s up the draft, then I'd probably bitch like everyone else.

ONCE AGAIN...I return to my ORIGINAL QUESTION: WHY exactly is a guy with 28 wins in major college football considered a top candidate....in fact on this board THE top candidate for this job?
There must be dozens of college coaches more qualified based on their prior body of work.

[Rohirrim]

Whatever...not like you actually discussed much relevant to the topic anyway.

Not like you actually listen to anything that doesn't agree with what you already believe.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Not like you actually listen to anything that doesn't agree with what you already believe.
Perhaps if you made any sense, that would help.

[vercingetorix]

My top choices would be (in no order if significance): Harbaugh, Kubiak, Gruden, or Calhoun.

[Hogan11]

Ron Rivera period.

[Boss Man]

My vote is for Santa Clause...bring in the big man and see what he can do, you see what rex ryan has done for th3e jets!

Just look at his staff, you have;
The Easter bunny (DC): Laying eggs on easter, but not on defense.
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http://blogs.alice1059.com/files/2010/04/Easter-Bunny.jpg


See the similarities? Coincidence? i think not.


The Tooth Fairy (OC): Fairy by night...His offense reigns terror on Sunday afternoon
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Both alchoholics and both fairys, i rest my case.
Cupid/Lepperchauns(ST): With a little luck and a few strikes, the special teams unit should look better than it has in years


The results dont lie...These guys all have over 50 years of experience in their respective fields, and have won the hearts of millions across the world. Just imagine what could be done with the Denver Broncos football organization!!!

In Closing i think Tebow should be promoted to GM/QB...who better than jesus himself running arguably the 2 most important positions on the team, can you think of a better option? I didnt think so. Good Day!

[Rohirrim]

I'd prefer Attila the Hun. I like his intensity.

[RhymesayersDU]

I would humbly suggest that the Denver Broncos fanbase does not want to go to a triple option, spread, or whatever else you want to call it - a gimmicky offense. They don't like it. Part of the problem Josh had here was that fans don't like watching that ****. We have grown used to dominating on the ground. We take pride in our ability to ram the ball down the opponent's throats when we want. That was the Shanahan signature, or legacy, or whatever you want to call it, and IMHO, Denver fans don't want to give that up. In fact, that's part of why Shanahan got the boot. It got to where couldn't shove the ball into the EZ from inside the ten. That pissed people off. Maybe that's the core element behind the loss of Hillis - He was the kind of back that Broncos fans love.

I've heard it from friends and fans at work ever since Josh came here. Denver fans look at the run numbers and aren't satisfied. They remember when the national media would say, "You can take any running back and plug them in on the Broncos and come out with 1,000 yards." Denver fans took pride in that. To have a new coach come in and alter that dynamic just wasn't going to be popular. Denver fans like to dominate on the ground and then have the occasional bomb. Leave the tricky **** to Florida. We live in the West. We want a certain ****-kicking quality to our football. ;D

I would humbly suggest that both of these paragraphs are complete horse****. Nobody cares how we win, just that we win. Nobody was complaining about running numbers when we started off 6-0 last year. And if we couldn't score a TD from the 10-yard line, the people weren't upset about a lack of ground game. They were upset that we weren't, you know, scoring TDs. They care about 7, not how we got it.

Denver fans like touchdowns, they like wins, and they like SuperBowls. If we were winning ballgames, nobody would care about statistics. This idea that the only way Denver fans would accept a coach or team is if they were run-heavy is an insult to every Denver fan's intelligence. If a passing offense is failing, it's only natural for people to look at another option, i.e., running the ball. If an offense is working and the team is winning, the fans will be at the stadium and will be loving the team.

[Rohirrim]

I would humbly suggest that both of these paragraphs are complete horse****. Nobody cares how we win, just that we win. Nobody was complaining about running numbers when we started off 6-0 last year. And if we couldn't score a TD from the 10-yard line, the people weren't upset about a lack of ground game. They were upset that we weren't, you know, scoring TDs. They care about 7, not how we got it.

Denver fans like touchdowns, they like wins, and they like SuperBowls. If we were winning ballgames, nobody would care about statistics. This idea that the only way Denver fans would accept a coach or team is if they were run-heavy is an insult to every Denver fan's intelligence. If a passing offense is failing, it's only natural for people to look at another option, i.e., running the ball. If an offense is working and the team is winning, the fans will be at the stadium and will be loving the team.

Everybody has an opinion. Thanks for sharing.

[vercingetorix]

I would humbly suggest that both of these paragraphs are complete horse****. Nobody cares how we win, just that we win. Nobody was complaining about running numbers when we started off 6-0 last year. And if we couldn't score a TD from the 10-yard line, the people weren't upset about a lack of ground game. They were upset that we weren't, you know, scoring TDs. They care about 7, not how we got it.

Denver fans like touchdowns, they like wins, and they like SuperBowls. If we were winning ballgames, nobody would care about statistics. This idea that the only way Denver fans would accept a coach or team is if they were run-heavy is an insult to every Denver fan's intelligence. If a passing offense is failing, it's only natural for people to look at another option, i.e., running the ball. If an offense is working and the team is winning, the fans will be at the stadium and will be loving the team.

No. He's right. People are seeing the value in having an offense that had a strong running game.

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If Dungy agreed to take over, how could you not jump on it. However I think Bowlen keeps Studsville around as coach after the season. The players and fans grow to like him and Bowlen relents.

[vercingetorix]

If Dungy agreed to take over, how could you not jump on it. However I think Bowlen keeps Studsville around as coach after the season. The players and fans grow to like him and Bowlen relents.

I dont see that happening.

[strafen]

If Dungy agreed to take over, how could you not jump on it. However I think Bowlen keeps Studsville around as coach after the season. The players and fans grow to like him and Bowlen relents.You mean as a "coach" or as a headcoach?
As a coach, I'm sure he will be retained, no doubts about it...

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You mean as a "coach" or as a headcoach?
As a coach, I'm sure he will be retained, no doubts about it...

headcoach

[strafen]

headcoachWho knows to be quite frankly.
four games left to prove his worth.
Not long enough to call, but we wil see...
I just think the current state of our team cries for an experienced headcoach...

[vercingetorix]

Who knows to be quite frankly.
I just think the current state of our team cries for an experienced headcoach...

It cries for a proper organizational structure with a real GM and segregated duties.

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just speculation based on initial perception that Studesville is charismatic and will work well with assistants/players/GM etc. unlike McD.

[atomicbloke]

What do you folks think of Gregg Williams?

[bowtown]

What do you folks think of Gregg Williams?

I love Gregg Williams as a DC, but he sure stunk it up as a head coach in Buffalo. Maybe he is about ripe for his second attempt at HC? I'd be for it, as long as you gave him a strong OC.

[mkporter]

What do you folks think of Gregg Williams?

Solid candidate. Not sure if I like him as HC, but he's a very good coordinator. Should have made the list, but I was trying to keep it brief. :~ohyah!: