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thecool
12-06-2010, 05:24 PM
Fans obviously made an impact on this.

Been a Broncos fan all my life and this is the 1st time I've seen how spoiled fans are.

I'm questioning my "allegiance" with the Broncos right now because of this fan base.

Josh McDaniels has replaced every player he's traded away with a player that has outperformed the prior... other than Peyton Hillis... Moreno did just break off a record day against the 7th ranked run defense though.

This all started with the Cuter fiasco, which some still some how blame on McDaniels (even though Bowlen called for the trade)... but most the fans have come around. McDaniels wouldn't tell Cutler he can't be traded, and that's what set Cutler off.

I cannot sign on any Broncos forums and feel good about my fellow fans. It's not about the opinions of the fans, it's about how fans reach to those opinions... it's so off and inaccurate.

This has less to do with McDaniels as it does the Broncos fan base.

As of this moment, I love the players on the Denver Broncos and that's what holds me here. But my hatred for this fan base cannot be explained in words.

I mean how can I sit here with a fan base that let a team buy half the tickets for a MNF after coming off a loss after 6 straight wins? I'm talking about the game on MNF last year against Pitts.

And home field advantage? You guys can't cheer for sh*t.

I'm cool with some of the posters here, even some of the critical ones, but as a whole this fan base sucks.

Don't get me started on the media outlets in Denver... even after WINS the outlets make bad press.

Part of me says I wouldn't be disappointed to see the Denver Broncos fans suffer for years to come...

The other part of me says go drink... just like every other idiot in Denver.

Taco John
12-06-2010, 05:26 PM
who are you?

Jesterhole
12-06-2010, 05:26 PM
rofl rofl rofl rofl

Your tears give me power...

epicSocialism4tw
12-06-2010, 05:27 PM
See ya.

"Dont let the door hit you in the butt..." and all that.

DBroncos4life
12-06-2010, 05:27 PM
Lol gtfo

frerottenextelway
12-06-2010, 05:27 PM
Baja saying he is no longer a Bronco fan and you saying you kinda want the Broncos to lose for years. People are showing their true colors today.

WolfpackGuy
12-06-2010, 05:28 PM
Yay, stats!

rbackfactory80
12-06-2010, 05:28 PM
If you have a problem gtfo. Who cares about you and over-inflated sense of self. If you weren't such a dip**** you would realize every team has fans that are just like the Broncos.

Crushaholic
12-06-2010, 05:30 PM
who are you?

It's probably NOT a Broncos fan, based on the tone of the message...

baja
12-06-2010, 05:30 PM
who are you?

He is an intelligent fan that sees what is coming.

Dukes
12-06-2010, 05:31 PM
who are you?

This.

Broncomutt
12-06-2010, 05:32 PM
who are you?

.

TheReverend
12-06-2010, 05:32 PM
lol

ColoradoDarin
12-06-2010, 05:32 PM
TJ, you should welcome this, more trolls, just the other way!!!

1. Troll
2. ??
3. Profit!

Dr. Broncenstein
12-06-2010, 05:33 PM
http://cdn2.sbnation.com/imported_assets/355944/img_35.gif

Sir_Robin
12-06-2010, 05:33 PM
Wow. What a lame. ass. post.LOL

DBroncos4life
12-06-2010, 05:33 PM
He is an intelligent fan that sees what is coming.

wins?

Popps
12-06-2010, 05:33 PM
Baja saying he is no longer a Bronco fan and you saying you kinda want the Broncos to lose for years. People are showing their true colors today.

Girl, please.

After 6 months of you people crying like babies and trashing the team, you're going to take high road, now?

The OP is overstated, of course... but there's some truth in there. We've learned just how many "fans" won't stick with this team when the going gets tough.

Let's hope our next coach wins immediately, or we'll have to endure endless whining and insults until he does.


As for the firing, I'm not surprised at all. I said I thought the camera thing was a game-changer, and I believe it was.

Bring in the next coach - GO BRONCOS.

Kaylore
12-06-2010, 05:34 PM
who are you?

"the cool"

WolfpackGuy
12-06-2010, 05:34 PM
Saw what coming?

We saw the ouster coming almost 2 years ago.

thecool
12-06-2010, 05:35 PM
I challenge someone to tell me any inaccuracies of my post that has nothing to do with opinion.

considering the comments in this thread are as predictable as can be and followed by people who can't read.

TheReverend
12-06-2010, 05:35 PM
"the cool"

I think he blew his... *sunglasses* "username"

Oh man that's so terribly bad. I can't believe I'm laughing at that

DBroncos4life
12-06-2010, 05:36 PM
Girl, please.

After 6 months of you people crying like babies and trashing the team, you're going to take high road, now?

The OP is overstated, of course... but there's some truth in there. We've learned just how many "fans" won't stick with this team when the going gets tough.

Let's hope our next coach wins immediately, or we'll have to endure endless whining and insults until he does.


As for the firing, I'm not surprised at all. I said I thought the camera thing was a game-changer, and I believe it was.

Bring in the next coach - GO BRONCOS.

blah blah blah.

epicSocialism4tw
12-06-2010, 05:36 PM
Girl, please.

After 6 months of you people crying like babies and trashing the team, you're going to take high road, now?

The OP is overstated, of course... but there's some truth in there. We've learned just how many "fans" won't stick with this team when the going gets tough.

Let's hope our next coach wins immediately, or we'll have to endure endless whining and insults until he does.


As for the firing, I'm not surprised at all. I said I thought the camera thing was a game-changer, and I believe it was.

Bring in the next coach - GO BRONCOS.


Come on, dude. It was your Saul Alinksy-esque tactic of villifying people with opposing opinions that caused alot of the strife here. You tried to make them into "anti-Broncos" villains, when they were just voicing their displeasure.

This is your bed bro. You will get to sleep in it.

Lev Vyvanse
12-06-2010, 05:36 PM
I'm questioning my "allegiance" with the Broncos right now because of this fan base.

Thinking about switching Allegancies?
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?p=2715424#post2715424

yerner
12-06-2010, 05:36 PM
Wow. Way to embarrass yourself in public.

Taco John
12-06-2010, 05:37 PM
TJ, you should welcome this, more trolls, just the other way!!!

1. Troll
2. ??
3. Profit!

LOL

I don't have a problem with people defending Josh. But where has this guy been during the last two years? That's all I'm asking. To show up the week Josh gets fired to slam the fans... it's a headscratcher.

thecool
12-06-2010, 05:38 PM
Wow. Way to embarrass yourself in public.

Right. Somehow this is a public place where everyone can see me.

Bronco Yoda
12-06-2010, 05:38 PM
Is this Beezer?

OABB
12-06-2010, 05:39 PM
LOL

I don't have a problem with people defending Josh. But where has this guy been during the last two years? That's all I'm asking. To show up the week Josh gets fired to slam the fans... it's a headscratcher.

It's Ben Mcdaniels, obviously.

Houshyamama
12-06-2010, 05:40 PM
**** off

Taco John
12-06-2010, 05:40 PM
It's Ben Mcdaniels, obviously.


LOL! I was actually going to suggest this yesterday! ROFL!

elsid13
12-06-2010, 05:40 PM
Still not as good as O4L meltdown on the Cutler selection. Or TJ's on firing of Shanahan. This is the major leagues you need to step up your rant.

Steve Sewell
12-06-2010, 05:40 PM
who are you?

thecool
Rookie

Rohirrim
12-06-2010, 05:41 PM
Come on, dude. It was your Saul Alinksy-esque tactic of villifying people with opposing opinions that caused alot of the strife here. You tried to make them into "anti-Broncos" villains, when they were just voicing their displeasure.

This is your bed bro. You will get to sleep in it.

Saul Alinsky?!?

Yer fuggin hopeless. Hilarious!

Doggcow
12-06-2010, 05:41 PM
LOL

I don't have a problem with people defending Josh. But where has this guy been during the last two years? That's all I'm asking. To show up the week Josh gets fired to slam the fans... it's a headscratcher.

Backbone.

He has it...

WolfpackGuy
12-06-2010, 05:41 PM
It's probably Mr. McDaniels.

DBroncos4life
12-06-2010, 05:42 PM
Come on, dude. It was your Saul Alinksy-esque tactic of villifying people with opposing opinions that caused alot of the strife here. You tried to make them into "anti-Broncos" villains, when they were just voicing their displeasure.

This is your bed bro. You will get to sleep in it.

Rep

Steve Sewell
12-06-2010, 05:43 PM
You guys can't cheer for sh*t.



Wait, so you've only been a fan since McD has been coach?

Peace, man. We're Bronco fans.

I've been a supporter of McD, FWIW. Not a big fan of the firing.

cmhargrove
12-06-2010, 05:44 PM
OP just has surprise buttseks?

theAPAOps5
12-06-2010, 05:44 PM
Cool story brah..... ::)

Clockwork Orange
12-06-2010, 05:45 PM
U mad bro? :rofl:

Victor
12-06-2010, 05:45 PM
Fans obviously made an impact on this.

Been a Broncos fan all my life and this is the 1st time I've seen how spoiled fans are.

I'm questioning my "allegiance" with the Broncos right now because of this fan base.

Josh McDaniels has replaced every player he's traded away with a player that has outperformed the prior... other than Peyton Hillis... Moreno did just break off a record day against the 7th ranked run defense though.

This all started with the Cuter fiasco, which some still some how blame on McDaniels (even though Bowlen called for the trade)... but most the fans have come around. McDaniels wouldn't tell Cutler he can't be traded, and that's what set Cutler off.

I cannot sign on any Broncos forums and feel good about my fellow fans. It's not about the opinions of the fans, it's about how fans reach to those opinions... it's so off and inaccurate.

This has less to do with McDaniels as it does the Broncos fan base.

As of this moment, I love the players on the Denver Broncos and that's what holds me here. But my hatred for this fan base cannot be explained in words.

I mean how can I sit here with a fan base that let a team buy half the tickets for a MNF after coming off a loss after 6 straight wins? I'm talking about the game on MNF last year against Pitts.

And home field advantage? You guys can't cheer for sh*t.

I'm cool with some of the posters here, even some of the critical ones, but as a whole this fan base sucks.

Don't get me started on the media outlets in Denver... even after WINS the outlets make bad press.

Part of me says I wouldn't be disappointed to see the Denver Broncos fans suffer for years to come...

The other part of me says go drink... just like every other idiot in Denver.

I salute you sir.

http://d14j21k36u347g.cloudfront.net/wordpress_core/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/orsonclapping.gif

frerottenextelway
12-06-2010, 05:46 PM
Girl, please.

After 6 months of you people crying like babies and trashing the team, you're going to take high road, now?

The OP is overstated, of course... but there's some truth in there. We've learned just how many "fans" won't stick with this team when the going gets tough.

Let's hope our next coach wins immediately, or we'll have to endure endless whining and insults until he does.


As for the firing, I'm not surprised at all. I said I thought the camera thing was a game-changer, and I believe it was.

Bring in the next coach - GO BRONCOS.

Keep playing that fan card while it's peeps on your side openly saying they are no longer Bronco fans.

Houshyamama
12-06-2010, 05:46 PM
http://i.imgur.com/9K5RJ.jpg

Dr. Broncenstein
12-06-2010, 05:47 PM
This thread is why I love the internet and the Orange Mane. Thank you internet. Thank you Orange Mane.

Kaylore
12-06-2010, 05:47 PM
You know what's weird? That seam on your scrotum to your taint.

epicSocialism4tw
12-06-2010, 05:48 PM
Keep playing that fan card while it's peeps on your side openly saying they are no longer Bronco fans.

How can they be when they were just embarrassed this bad? Ha!

I mean...they hitched their wagon so firmly to McD that they went down in flames with him. it wouldnt be so bad if they werent so vicious to people who dared question the McD regime, but those people were villified here.

Maybe karma really does exist. Hilarious!

MaloCS
12-06-2010, 05:48 PM
Fans obviously made an impact on this.

Been a Broncos fan all my life and this is the 1st time I've seen how spoiled fans are.

I'm questioning my "allegiance" with the Broncos right now because of this fan base.

Josh McDaniels has replaced every player he's traded away with a player that has outperformed the prior... other than Peyton Hillis... Moreno did just break off a record day against the 7th ranked run defense though.

This all started with the Cuter fiasco, which some still some how blame on McDaniels (even though Bowlen called for the trade)... but most the fans have come around. McDaniels wouldn't tell Cutler he can't be traded, and that's what set Cutler off.

I cannot sign on any Broncos forums and feel good about my fellow fans. It's not about the opinions of the fans, it's about how fans reach to those opinions... it's so off and inaccurate.

This has less to do with McDaniels as it does the Broncos fan base.

As of this moment, I love the players on the Denver Broncos and that's what holds me here. But my hatred for this fan base cannot be explained in words.

I mean how can I sit here with a fan base that let a team buy half the tickets for a MNF after coming off a loss after 6 straight wins? I'm talking about the game on MNF last year against Pitts.

And home field advantage? You guys can't cheer for sh*t.

I'm cool with some of the posters here, even some of the critical ones, but as a whole this fan base sucks.

Don't get me started on the media outlets in Denver... even after WINS the outlets make bad press.

Part of me says I wouldn't be disappointed to see the Denver Broncos fans suffer for years to come...

The other part of me says go drink... just like every other idiot in Denver.

I just couriered a Grey Hound bus ticket to Dove Valley for little Joshie. If you like I can get one over to your residence as well.

LOL

Long live the orange and blue. WE HAVE OUR TEAM BACK!

thecool
12-06-2010, 05:49 PM
Wait, so you've only been a fan since McD has been coach?

Peace, man. We're Bronco fans.

I've been a supporter of McD, FWIW. Not a big fan of the firing.

No I've been a fan my whole life, flying out to see Broncos games in Denver. Home field advantage used to be so much better in the past, I have no idea what happened. Some people say its the new stadium and engineering but I've noticed LESS intense cheering even at Invesco. It's not a very tough place to play anymore.

hades
12-06-2010, 05:50 PM
As a fan of the Bronco's, I can be pissed one week, love them the next, and go back to being pissed. I buy their merchandise, I go to a game when I go back to Colorado, so it is my right to feel however I want.

Broncomutt
12-06-2010, 05:50 PM
Fans obviously made an impact on this.

home field advantage? You guys can't cheer for sh*t. [/SIZE][/B]



Maybe if we had something to cheer about Thom.

theAPAOps5
12-06-2010, 05:50 PM
You know what's weird? That seam on your scrotum to your taint.

:spit:

Mormons aren't allowed to talk that way! :clown:

maven
12-06-2010, 05:50 PM
Fans obviously made an impact on this.

Been a Broncos fan all my life and this is the 1st time I've seen how spoiled fans are.

I'm questioning my "allegiance" with the Broncos right now because of this fan base.

Josh McDaniels has replaced every player he's traded away with a player that has outperformed the prior... other than Peyton Hillis... Moreno did just break off a record day against the 7th ranked run defense though.

This all started with the Cuter fiasco, which some still some how blame on McDaniels (even though Bowlen called for the trade)... but most the fans have come around. McDaniels wouldn't tell Cutler he can't be traded, and that's what set Cutler off.

I cannot sign on any Broncos forums and feel good about my fellow fans. It's not about the opinions of the fans, it's about how fans reach to those opinions... it's so off and inaccurate.

This has less to do with McDaniels as it does the Broncos fan base.

As of this moment, I love the players on the Denver Broncos and that's what holds me here. But my hatred for this fan base cannot be explained in words.

I mean how can I sit here with a fan base that let a team buy half the tickets for a MNF after coming off a loss after 6 straight wins? I'm talking about the game on MNF last year against Pitts.

And home field advantage? You guys can't cheer for sh*t.

I'm cool with some of the posters here, even some of the critical ones, but as a whole this fan base sucks.

Don't get me started on the media outlets in Denver... even after WINS the outlets make bad press.

Part of me says I wouldn't be disappointed to see the Denver Broncos fans suffer for years to come...

The other part of me says go drink... just like every other idiot in Denver.

Bowlen doesn't like losing, and neither do I.

epicSocialism4tw
12-06-2010, 05:51 PM
No I've been a fan my whole life, flying out to see Broncos games in Denver. Home field advantage used to be so much better in the past, I have no idea what happened. Some people say its the new stadium and engineering but I've noticed LESS intense cheering even at Invesco. It's not a very tough place to play anymore.

Its because we suck.

..and yet here you are ticked that the vortex of suck has been at least identified and removed.

Steve Sewell
12-06-2010, 05:51 PM
No I've been a fan my whole life, flying out to see Broncos games in Denver. Home field advantage used to be so much better in the past, I have no idea what happened. Some people say its the new stadium and engineering but I've noticed LESS intense cheering even at Invesco. It's not a very tough place to play anymore.

Pretty easy to explain that one. Going to one NFL game, much less owning season tickets, isn't possible for your average Joe who's passionate about their team.

Merlin
12-06-2010, 05:52 PM
How can a HC who has accomplished absolutely nothing for the team or the league, failed miserably with the team, and decimated the team's talent base in coaching and personnel get this type of support is beyond comprehension. Well done!

epicSocialism4tw
12-06-2010, 05:53 PM
How can a HC who has accomplished absolutely nothing for the team or the league, failed miserably with the team, and decimated the team's talent base in coaching and personnel get this type of support is beyond comprehension. Well done!

Answer?

The internet.

spdirty
12-06-2010, 05:57 PM
WE HAVE OUR TEAM BACK!

What a cool thing to say. What I love is in many aspects WE THE FANS got McScandals fired. By not supporting incompetent ****. We took our team back.

NYBronco
12-06-2010, 05:59 PM
How can a HC who has accomplished absolutely nothing for the team or the league, failed miserably with the team, and decimated the team's talent base in coaching and personnel get this type of support is beyond comprehension. Well done!

Time, experience, support, humility, hard work, passion and overcoming his youth. Overcoming the bad, celebrating the good and starting over the next day. No different then any other "successful" coach (present or past) in the league who was given an opportunity when it was presented to them.

Chris
12-06-2010, 06:00 PM
A man is entitled to his opinion.

I agree that the past couple years have shown that Bronco nation isn't what it used to be. we are Philly west now.


Hell I think we might be the most fickle fan base in the league right now.

That said I'm not going anywhere... it just won't be a victory for the loyal people of CO that stick with their team through thick and thin.

These broncos fans exist... and they'll be the people I high five when we win.

Bronco Yoda
12-06-2010, 06:00 PM
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Que
12-06-2010, 06:05 PM
Epic post. Has to be read in a "leave Brittany alone" voice to be truly appreciated

thecool
12-06-2010, 06:14 PM
Bowlen doesn't like losing, and neither do I.

No one likes losing. However this is what I'm talking when I bring up the spoiled aspect of Broncos fans. They'd rather go through mediocrity with some sort of "hope"

With the hire of McDaniels, everyone KNEW he'd be learning on the job and deserved at least 3 years. McDaniels has dealt with some of the intense adversity that he could have not avoided. Broncos fan base could not stand behind him no matter what.

All those injuries that happened this year were ridiculous and the fans still somehow found a way to blame them on the coach.

We have great young talent, some even on the defense side of the ball. McDaniels has shown he can draft and improved after 1 year.

We have one of the greatest leaders in all of sports in Tebow and we all knew that McDaniels would put him in a position to succeed.

The fact that Bowlen allowed Shanahan a few years to develop Cutler and company and not allow McDaniels 2 full years to develop his is ridiculous to me.

That tells me he was feeling the heat from the fans, thus I blame the fans for this ****.

thecool
12-06-2010, 06:15 PM
Pretty easy to explain that one. Going to one NFL game, much less owning season tickets, isn't possible for your average Joe who's passionate about their team.

1 game a year in Denver would probably put me in tier 1 for traveling Broncos fans... and on the highest pedestal for your average Broncos fan.

epicSocialism4tw
12-06-2010, 06:15 PM
No one likes losing. However this is what I'm talking when I bring up the spoiled aspect of Broncos fans. They'd rather go through mediocrity with some sort of "hope"

With the hire of McDaniels, everyone KNEW he'd be learning on the job and deserved at least 3 years. McDaniels has dealt with some of the intense adversity that he could have not avoided. Broncos fan base could not stand behind him no matter what.

All those injuries that happened this year were ridiculous and the fans still somehow found a way to blame them on the coach.

We have great young talent, some even on the defense side of the ball. McDaniels has shown he can draft and improved after 1 year.

We have one of the greatest leaders in all of sports in Tebow and we all knew that McDaniels would put him in a position to succeed.

The fact that Bowlen allowed Shanahan a few years to develop Cutler and company and not allow McDaniels 2 full years to develop his is ridiculous to me.

That tells me he was feeling the heat from the fans, thus I blame the fans for this ****.

Whatever, McD.

If you wouldnt have screwed the pooch so many times, you'd still have a job.

orangemonkey
12-06-2010, 06:16 PM
What a cool thing to say. What I love is in many aspects WE THE FANS got McScandals fired. By not supporting incompetent ****. We took our team back.

There is truth here for sure. The Rams game was the first time in team history that the Broncos did not announce the attendance numbers. The city of Denver gave up on the idiot.

thecool
12-06-2010, 06:17 PM
Whatever, McD.

If you wouldnt have screwed the pooch so many times, you'd still have a job.

And like I said, you guys cannot read.

With the hire of McDaniels, everyone KNEW he'd be learning on the job and deserved at least 3 years.

You know what that means? Making mistakes.

Even Steelers when 6-10 in this decade.

epicSocialism4tw
12-06-2010, 06:18 PM
And like I said, you guys cannot read.



You know what that means? Making mistakes.

Even Steelers when 6-10 in this decade.

Okay, McD...we understand that you wanted more leverage to make more mistakes. But you never made up any ground. Good luck with your next team.

thecool
12-06-2010, 06:19 PM
How can a HC who has accomplished absolutely nothing for the team or the league, failed miserably with the team, and decimated the team's talent base in coaching and personnel get this type of support is beyond comprehension. Well done!

Well he has accomplished things for the league.

I'm not sure how he decimated the team's talent base when we have far more talent on our team than we did when he got here.

Like I said, this illusion alone shows me how dumb you people are.

Pony Boy
12-06-2010, 06:22 PM
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baja
12-06-2010, 06:23 PM
Keep playing that fan card while it's peeps on your side openly saying they are no longer Bronco fans.

I'm one of those peeps and I could give a sweet fqck lees what you think.

I'm a Broncos fan for 36 years who can't abide this insane decision. If that's "showing my colors" in your book all it means is I'm bailing on the romper room that has become this board.

Enjoy being the Raiders for the next ten years.

Stupid move supported by stupid people, like you...

frerottenextelway
12-06-2010, 06:26 PM
I'm one of those peeps and I could give a sweet fqck lees what you think.

I'm a Broncos fan for 36 years who can't abide this insane decision. If that's "showing my colors" in your book all it means is I'm bailing on the romper room that has become this board.

Enjoy being the Raiders for the next ten years.

Stupid move supported by stupid people, like you...

Go Broncos!

Merlin
12-06-2010, 06:27 PM
Well he has accomplished things for the league.

I'm not sure how he decimated the team's talent base when we have far more talent on our team than we did when he got here.

Like I said, this illusion alone shows me how dumb you people are.
LOL ROFL! That is some good stuff you are smoking! Keep it up, I'm sure you can raise the ante. Tell us more how brilliant he was, how it was just a matter of time for his genius to bloom and flourish out of one of the worst records in Bronco history in 4 decades, after having been given a team stacked with talented youth and draft picks to address the defense, where it was missing players. His strategy has astonished many an analyst and fan, please enlighten us further, since he has been unfairly deprived of the opportunity to take us further down his vision.

McDman
12-06-2010, 06:28 PM
I'm one of those peeps and I could give a sweet fqck lees what you think.

I'm a Broncos fan for 36 years who can't abide this insane decision. If that's "showing my colors" in your book all it means is I'm bailing on the romper room that has become this board.

Enjoy being the Raiders for the next ten years.

Stupid move supported by stupid people, like you...

You've been a good poster and it seems like you've been a good fan for a long time but if you're giving up on the team and are done being a fan you probably shouldn't post here. That's basically what JHNS and Bob do.

elsid13
12-06-2010, 06:32 PM
I'm one of those peeps and I could give a sweet fqck lees what you think.

I'm a Broncos fan for 36 years who can't abide this insane decision. If that's "showing my colors" in your book all it means is I'm bailing on the romper room that has become this board.

Enjoy being the Raiders for the next ten years.

Stupid move supported by stupid people, like you...

Baja

This had to happen. There has been to much drama around this team for the last year and half. You can not win in the NFL if when that stuff occurs.

listopencil
12-06-2010, 06:35 PM
Guess what?

With thousands of empty seats at their last home game, the Broncos didn't announce actual attendance but only paid attendance, which at 72,736 was the lowest since Invesco Field opened a decade ago. By the time the Broncos' fourth-quarter rally fell one drive short in their 36-33 loss to St. Louis, most of the seats were empty.
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/football/nfl/12/06/mcdaniels.broncos.ap/index.html#ixzz17OBqbomm



**** you Josh for fielding a ****ty Broncos team.

**** you Bowlen for dumping Shanny without a replacement.

**** you "thecool" for whining about other fans like somebody is supposed to give a **** what you think.

Now...get it fixed, you gutless drunk.

thecool
12-06-2010, 06:36 PM
LOL ROFL! That is some good stuff you are smoking! Keep it up, I'm sure you can raise the ante. Tell us more how brilliant he was, how it was just a matter of time for his genius to bloom and flourish out of one of the worst records in Bronco history in 4 decades, after having been given a team stacked with talented youth and draft picks to address the defense, where it was missing players. His strategy has astonished many an analyst and fan, please enlighten us further, since he has been unfairly deprived of the opportunity to take us further down his vision.

1st off, he was left with an aging interior line. Ben Hamilton's career is looking like it's over and Weiggman just sucked. It was agreed that both those players needed to be addressed after 2009 season. This was a NEED during the draft earlier this year.

We needed an RB too.

He drafted Robert Ayers and DBs and safeties... in his 1st NFL draft he had no time to prepare since the hiring was in January, so you don't have a full year of scouting and preparation.

2nd year he was screwed with massive amount of injury. Marshall didn't want to return, Tebow is obviously Tebow.

He did spend some time on defense however he didn't draft any dlineman in his 1st 2 years... it wasn't like this guy really drafted luxuriously other than Tebow where he traded back and forth.

We addressed the dline with F/A signings... not like we sat around and did nothing. It's hard to address the whole damn team in 2 drafts.

I think we all agree we probably would have drafted defense players this year though.

I agree, it's tough going through these times. Losing games it's hard to watch your team. But to simply just say fire the coach because the media infested my brain just shows how weak and dumb you fans are.

thecool
12-06-2010, 06:38 PM
Baja

This had to happen. There has been to much drama around this team for the last year and half. You can not win in the NFL if when that stuff occurs.

I can see this side of the story, but I blame the fans for this drama because the fans nor the media outlets in Denver could never support the team.

This is true, there was way too much negative media in Denver.

What I will say is, there was negative media in and about Denver ever since Shanny was here. The media outlets in Denver just suck, I think we can all agree on this.

Lev Vyvanse
12-06-2010, 06:40 PM
But to simply just say fire the coach because the media infested my brain just shows how weak and dumb you fans are.

His game management sucked.

Archer81
12-06-2010, 06:40 PM
Please O Lord...

May the next coach end this insanity...for the ****ing love of Tebow...


:Broncos:

Dr. Broncenstein
12-06-2010, 06:43 PM
What we need is a coach who is like a 10 in every category. Someone who will bring a tougher and smarter brand of football to the Broncos.

elsid13
12-06-2010, 06:43 PM
I can see this side of the story, but I blame the fans for this drama because the fans nor the media outlets in Denver could never support the team.

This is true, there was way too much negative media in Denver.

What I will say is, there was negative media in and about Denver ever since Shanny was here. The media outlets in Denver just suck, I think we can all agree on this.

All that drama was self created, the media or fan didn't create the stories. From the handling of the Cutler fiasco, to the run in with the Goodmans, the drafting of A. Smith and R. Quinn, to Spygate II, McDaniels was in the middle of it

Jesterhole
12-06-2010, 06:44 PM
I'm one of those peeps and I could give a sweet fqck lees what you think.

I'm a Broncos fan for 36 years who can't abide this insane decision. If that's "showing my colors" in your book all it means is I'm bailing on the romper room that has become this board.

Enjoy being the Raiders for the next ten years.

Stupid move supported by stupid people, like you...

OMG, please let this be true! Please go away forever and don't come back. That would change this from the best day in a long time to perhaps the best day of my life...

ohiobronco2
12-06-2010, 06:46 PM
Wait, every player McDaniels traded away he has replaced with a better player. Yet we are a worse team now. Hmmmm, it really must be coaching. Perhaps they out performed because of the system. The only numbers that really matter are wins and McDaniels came up short.

thecool
12-06-2010, 06:47 PM
What we need is a coach who is like a 10 in every category. Someone who will bring a tougher and smarter brand of football to the Broncos.

Oh really? a NFL franchise wants a PERFECT COACH?

What a shocker.

ohiobronco2
12-06-2010, 06:47 PM
All that drama was self created, the media or fan didn't create the stories. From the handling of the Cutler fiasco, to the run in with the Goodmans, the drafting of A. Smith and R. Quinn, to Spygate II, McDaniels was in the middle of it

Exactly. His flirting with Cassel was the begining and it has spiraled out of control ever since.

thecool
12-06-2010, 06:48 PM
Wait, every player McDaniels traded away he has replaced with a better player. Yet we are a worse team now. Hmmmm, it really must be coaching. Perhaps they out performed because of the system. The only numbers that really matter are wins and McDaniels came up short.

We were horribly injured this year. That's no excuse but from a higher standpoint, it's reality.

ColoradoDarin
12-06-2010, 06:48 PM
Oh really? a NFL franchise wants a PERFECT COACH?

What a shocker.

I'd settle for a 25 year old Elway at QB and not bother with a HC, but maybe that's just me.

broncocalijohn
12-06-2010, 06:49 PM
No I've been a fan my whole life, flying out to see Broncos games in Denver. Home field advantage used to be so much better in the past, I have no idea what happened. Some people say its the new stadium and engineering but I've noticed LESS intense cheering even at Invesco. It's not a very tough place to play anymore.


well, we havent had a winning team since 2005 Afc Championship game. You can start with that. Also, have you meet Atlas before? You two would be great best buddies.

thecool
12-06-2010, 06:51 PM
Don't get me wrong though, even with injuries you have to get it done.

That Jets game still bugs me.

Like I said, we all knew Josh was learning on the job... and I think we all knew if he wasn't in the playoffs by year 3 it'd be bad... but less than 2 years is not enough time.

The fans made a huge impact on this.

thecool
12-06-2010, 06:52 PM
well, we havent had a winning team since 2005 Afc Championship game. You can start with that. Also, have you meet Atlas before? You two would be great best buddies.

I've seen him. He was just obsessed with Shanny.

This has less to do with McDaniels then it does with the Broncos fan base.

Beantown Bronco
12-06-2010, 06:53 PM
Exactly. His flirting with Cassel was the begining and it has spiraled out of control ever since.

Except for all that time that passed....about 9 months or so....between then and when we were 6-0.

Dr. Broncenstein
12-06-2010, 06:53 PM
Go cheer for a team with a real fan base.

ohiobronco2
12-06-2010, 06:54 PM
All that drama was self created, the media or fan didn't create the stories. From the handling of the Cutler fiasco, to the run in with the Goodmans, the drafting of A. Smith and R. Quinn, to Spygate II, McDaniels was in the middle of it

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ohiobronco2
12-06-2010, 06:57 PM
We were horribly injured this year. That's no excuse but from a higher standpoint, it's reality.

Injuries are not the only reason why we are 3-9.

epicSocialism4tw
12-06-2010, 06:58 PM
Oh really? a NFL franchise wants a PERFECT COACH?

What a shocker.

I think you missed the reference.

ohiobronco2
12-06-2010, 06:59 PM
Except for all that time that passed....about 9 months or so....between then and when we were 6-0.

Good point. So why the drop off?

epicSocialism4tw
12-06-2010, 07:00 PM
Exactly. His flirting with Cassel was the begining and it has spiraled out of control ever since.

Its hard to believe that McD wanted to trade Cutler for that clown, and thats what got this thing going in this downward spiral.

Its like a bunch of Patriots curses followed him here from Boston.

thecool
12-06-2010, 07:00 PM
I think you missed the reference.

Yes, I did.

Pony Boy
12-06-2010, 07:00 PM
Like I said, we all knew Josh was learning on the job...
I want a coach that can do the job........ I bet the next head coach has a super bowl ring on his finger.....

Wes Mantooth
12-06-2010, 07:00 PM
This crap boggles my mind. They weren't winning. The D was getting worse. We just had spygate-2 and probably should have lost our first round pick. The team is awful and disorganized. How the hell did I have anything to do with it as a fan?

thecool
12-06-2010, 07:01 PM
Its hard to believe that McD wanted to trade Cutler for that clown, and thats what got this thing going in this downward spiral.

Its like a bunch of Patriots curses followed him here from Boston.

The thing is, he didn't want to trade Cutler for Cassel.

baja
12-06-2010, 07:02 PM
You've been a good poster and it seems like you've been a good fan for a long time but if you're giving up on the team and are done being a fan you probably shouldn't post here. That's basically what JHNS and Bob do.

I'll post here as long as I damn well feel like it sonny.

thecool
12-06-2010, 07:02 PM
I want a coach that can do the job........ I bet the next head coach has a super bowl ring on his finger.....

So you think Bowlen is going to pay Shanahan, McDaniels, and coach with high pedigree like a SB ring?

BTW no coach has ever won a SB with 2 teams.

Rohirrim
12-06-2010, 07:04 PM
You've been a good poster and it seems like you've been a good fan for a long time but if you're giving up on the team and are done being a fan you probably shouldn't post here. That's basically what JHNS and Bob do.

Baja helped build this site. Who the **** are you?

ohiobronco2
12-06-2010, 07:05 PM
This crap boggles my mind. They weren't winning. The D was getting worse. We just had spygate-2 and probably should have lost our first round pick. The team is awful and disorganized. How the hell did I have anything to do with it as a fan?

http://images6.cpcache.com/product/100716046v8_480x480_Front.jpg

Goobzilla
12-06-2010, 07:05 PM
Soooo it is the fans' fault or the media's? Color me confused.

epicSocialism4tw
12-06-2010, 07:05 PM
Yes, I did.

Its an allusion to a Pat Bowlen quote from back when he hired McD.

Archer81
12-06-2010, 07:06 PM
Fans did not do this. McDaniels did. The next coach has alot of work to do.


:Broncos:

Bronco Yoda
12-06-2010, 07:06 PM
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baja
12-06-2010, 07:06 PM
1st off, he was left with an aging interior line. Ben Hamilton's career is looking like it's over and Weiggman just sucked. It was agreed that both those players needed to be addressed after 2009 season. This was a NEED during the draft earlier this year.

We needed an RB too.

He drafted Robert Ayers and DBs and safeties... in his 1st NFL draft he had no time to prepare since the hiring was in January, so you don't have a full year of scouting and preparation.

2nd year he was screwed with massive amount of injury. Marshall didn't want to return, Tebow is obviously Tebow.

He did spend some time on defense however he didn't draft any dlineman in his 1st 2 years... it wasn't like this guy really drafted luxuriously other than Tebow where he traded back and forth.

We addressed the dline with F/A signings... not like we sat around and did nothing. It's hard to address the whole damn team in 2 drafts.

I think we all agree we probably would have drafted defense players this year though.

I agree, it's tough going through these times. Losing games it's hard to watch your team. But to simply just say fire the coach because the media infested my brain just shows how weak and dumb you fans are.

Give it up dude you are dealing with people that can only see wins & losses. To them thinking outside the box means they go out in the back yard and "think" something

Merlin
12-06-2010, 07:09 PM
Except for all that time that passed....about 9 months or so....between then and when we were 6-0.
It had nothing to do with McD and everything to do with the D Nolan had implemented. The offense was (and still is in the ways that matter) atrocious, McD's area of "expertise". So there really has not been a time since that fiasco in which McD's performance can be lauded. It is truly incredibly how posters such as "the cool" can twist logic to such distortions that they start to believe the fantasy they create in their minds.

epicSocialism4tw
12-06-2010, 07:10 PM
Give it up dude you are dealing with people that can only see wins & losses. To them thinking outside the box means they go out in the back yard and "think" something

That's probably the worst joke I have ever encountered, Baja. Ha!

Garcia Bronco
12-06-2010, 07:11 PM
This is The Epic.

steeledude
12-06-2010, 07:11 PM
Girl, please.

After 6 months of you people crying like babies and trashing the team, you're going to take high road, now?

The OP is overstated, of course... but there's some truth in there. We've learned just how many "fans" won't stick with this team when the going gets tough.

Let's hope our next coach wins immediately, or we'll have to endure endless whining and insults until he does.


As for the firing, I'm not surprised at all. I said I thought the camera thing was a game-changer, and I believe it was.

Bring in the next coach - GO BRONCOS.

You such a hyperbolic maroon! Most of us will endure losing, but trading away young talent and dismantling a team that was on the rise two years ago? Really?

I'm not taking the high road. People like you supporting the moron McDouche are the reason why we are going to be bad for years. I called this when he traded Jay. Good or not, trading a young pro bowl QB was the writing on the wall. This guy has screwed our team up for years. But with him gone, I'm happy, win or lose. We don't have an asshole cheating head coach.

broncosteven
12-06-2010, 07:12 PM
OMG, please let this be true! Please go away forever and don't come back. That would change this from the best day in a long time to perhaps the best day of my life...

I think he is trolling for more attention, we would not be lucky enough for this to happen, just use Ignore and hope more people don't quote him.

Merlin
12-06-2010, 07:12 PM
The thing is, he didn't want to trade Cutler for Cassel.
No, he wanted to offer a first for Cassel, which is far more than KC gave for him. This is old news, King reported on it back then. McD told him at the time that by the time he contacted Bellicheat to offer the 1st, Cassel had been traded. The Internet is your friend, do a search and enlighten yourself if you do truly seek to have a better understanding of how stupefying McD's actions have been from the very start.

broncocalijohn
12-06-2010, 07:13 PM
Soooo it is the fans' fault or the media's? Color me confused.

well, you can eliminate McDaniels. He Had nothing to do with any of this. Might as well call it a witch burning.

broncosteven
12-06-2010, 07:15 PM
Fans obviously made an impact on this.

Been a Broncos fan all my life and this is the 1st time I've seen how spoiled fans are.

I'm questioning my "allegiance" with the Broncos right now because of this fan base.

Josh McDaniels has replaced every player he's traded away with a player that has outperformed the prior... other than Peyton Hillis... Moreno did just break off a record day against the 7th ranked run defense though.

This all started with the Cuter fiasco, which some still some how blame on McDaniels (even though Bowlen called for the trade)... but most the fans have come around. McDaniels wouldn't tell Cutler he can't be traded, and that's what set Cutler off.

I cannot sign on any Broncos forums and feel good about my fellow fans. It's not about the opinions of the fans, it's about how fans reach to those opinions... it's so off and inaccurate.

This has less to do with McDaniels as it does the Broncos fan base.

As of this moment, I love the players on the Denver Broncos and that's what holds me here. But my hatred for this fan base cannot be explained in words.

I mean how can I sit here with a fan base that let a team buy half the tickets for a MNF after coming off a loss after 6 straight wins? I'm talking about the game on MNF last year against Pitts.

And home field advantage? You guys can't cheer for sh*t.

I'm cool with some of the posters here, even some of the critical ones, but as a whole this fan base sucks.

Don't get me started on the media outlets in Denver... even after WINS the outlets make bad press.

Part of me says I wouldn't be disappointed to see the Denver Broncos fans suffer for years to come...

The other part of me says go drink... just like every other idiot in Denver.

Why do people keep posting that they are fed up with the OM and tell everyone they can they are leaving but they don't?

Crushisback
12-06-2010, 07:15 PM
Fans obviously made an impact on this.

Been a Broncos fan all my life and this is the 1st time I've seen how spoiled fans are.

I'm questioning my "allegiance" with the Broncos right now because of this fan base.

Josh McDaniels has replaced every player he's traded away with a player that has outperformed the prior... other than Peyton Hillis... Moreno did just break off a record day against the 7th ranked run defense though.

This all started with the Cuter fiasco, which some still some how blame on McDaniels (even though Bowlen called for the trade)... but most the fans have come around. McDaniels wouldn't tell Cutler he can't be traded, and that's what set Cutler off.

I cannot sign on any Broncos forums and feel good about my fellow fans. It's not about the opinions of the fans, it's about how fans reach to those opinions... it's so off and inaccurate.

This has less to do with McDaniels as it does the Broncos fan base.

As of this moment, I love the players on the Denver Broncos and that's what holds me here. But my hatred for this fan base cannot be explained in words.

I mean how can I sit here with a fan base that let a team buy half the tickets for a MNF after coming off a loss after 6 straight wins? I'm talking about the game on MNF last year against Pitts.

And home field advantage? You guys can't cheer for sh*t.

I'm cool with some of the posters here, even some of the critical ones, but as a whole this fan base sucks.

Don't get me started on the media outlets in Denver... even after WINS the outlets make bad press.

Part of me says I wouldn't be disappointed to see the Denver Broncos fans suffer for years to come...

The other part of me says go drink... just like every other idiot in Denver.

Bye a$$bag

Dr. Broncenstein
12-06-2010, 07:15 PM
I wish I could take some of the blame.

TDmvp
12-06-2010, 07:16 PM
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thecool
12-06-2010, 07:16 PM
Why do people keep posting that they are fed up with the OM and tell everyone they can they are leaving but they don't?

Please quote me where I said I'm leaving the omane?

You add to the list of the dumb Broncos fans that can't read.

thecool
12-06-2010, 07:17 PM
No, he wanted to offer a first for Cassel, which is far more than KC gave for him. This is old news, King reported on it back then. McD told him at the time that by the time he contacted Bellicheat to offer the 1st, Cassel had been traded. The Internet is your friend, do a search and enlighten yourself if you do truly seek to have a better understanding of how stupefying McD's actions have been from the very start.

The fact that you cited King lets me know how far off base you are.

DomCasual
12-06-2010, 07:18 PM
That's seriously a bunch of ****! All I have tried to do in this game is to be a friend and confidant. And what do I get in return? Stabbed in the ****ing back!

Seriously, I've learned the true nature of some of my "friends" by playing this game. You a-holes act so superior to everyone. I should start posting things I've heard about some of you. Knock you off your ****ing high post a little.

Enjoy your stupid little game, a-holes! Newsflash! I only played this stupid ****ing game to have conversation fodder - the unintentional comedy kind. That's right, you ****ers - I am going to spend the next ****ing year making fun of you to my real friends - the kind that don't stab me in the ****ing back.

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broncosteven
12-06-2010, 07:20 PM
That's seriously a bunch of ****! All I have tried to do in this game is to be a friend and confidant. And what do I get in return? Stabbed in the ****ing back!

Seriously, I've learned the true nature of some of my "friends" by playing this game. You a-holes act so superior to everyone. I should start posting things I've heard about some of you. Knock you off your ****ing high post a little.

Enjoy your stupid little game, a-holes! Newsflash! I only played this stupid ****ing game to have conversation fodder - the unintentional comedy kind. That's right, you ****ers - I am going to spend the next ****ing year making fun of you to my real friends - the kind that don't stab me in the ****ing back.

You never had an InteRNet posting friend stab you in the InTErwebs back before?

Blueflame
12-06-2010, 07:20 PM
I've seen him. He was just obsessed with Shanny.

This has less to do with McDaniels then it does with the Broncos fan base.

It has everything to do with LOSING. And the fan base had nothing to do with the losing; we were mere spectators. Yeah we have opinions but the NFL is a "win-now-or-else" business. And McDaniels' team wasn't winning. It's as simple as that.

I understand that you're upset with the decision. But taking it out on your fellow fans isn't going to accomplish much of anything other than perhaps offending most everyone else here.

Taco John
12-06-2010, 07:20 PM
I don't think this has anything to do with the fans, or even McDaniel's coaching job. I suspect that the other shoe is dropping from Spygate II and Bowlen had to make a swift decison before it all gets out. I don't have any info on this, but to fire him like this and not let him ride the season out... Something else has to be going on here.

thecool
12-06-2010, 07:20 PM
It was a rumor he offered a 1st for Cassel, not a fact. The fact was, he was just taking calls on offers, he wasn't out there trying to trade Cutler away.

Cutler wanted confirmation that he couldn't be traded ever, and Josh wouldn't give him that which is what led drama.

Then ultimately, PAT BOWLEN MADE THE DECISION TO TRADE JAY CUTLER.

TailgateNut
12-06-2010, 07:21 PM
I want a coach that can do the job........ I bet the next head coach has a super bowl ring on his finger.....

Well, all you azzholes will get your wish. Calhoun as coach and Al Davis as owner.

broncosteven
12-06-2010, 07:21 PM
Bye a$$bag

Where does a$$bag fit on the bag scale?

A$$bag
Dirtbag
Jagbag

Could someone please put the above in the right order?

TailgateNut
12-06-2010, 07:22 PM
It has everything to do with LOSING. And the fan base had nothing to do with the losing; we were mere spectators. Yeah we have opinions but the NFL is a "win-now-or-else" business. And McDaniels' team wasn't winning. It's as simple as that.

I understand that you're upset with the decision. But taking it out on your fellow fans isn't going to accomplish much of anything other than perhaps offending most everyone else here.


kinda like your temper tantrum, nes pas?

thecool
12-06-2010, 07:22 PM
It has everything to do with LOSING. And the fan base had nothing to do with the losing; we were mere spectators. Yeah we have opinions but the NFL is a "win-now-or-else" business. And McDaniels' team wasn't winning. It's as simple as that.

I understand that you're upset with the decision. But taking it out on your fellow fans isn't going to accomplish much of anything other than perhaps offending most everyone else here.

I disagree. No one was calling for shanny's head when we were losing.

We started out 6-0 and there was still bad press all over Denver after every single win. Then going in to MNF, 6-1 against the defending SB champions, half the stadium is filled with Steelers fans.

Yeah, that has nothing to do with the fans.

Broncomutt
12-06-2010, 07:22 PM
Please quote me where I said I'm leaving the omane?

OK, I have to admit you did manage a little "buzz kill" with that one.

broncosteven
12-06-2010, 07:22 PM
Well, all you azzholes will get your wish. Calhoun as coach and Al Davis as owner.

How old is Calhoun and how much NFL experience does he have?

Merlin
12-06-2010, 07:23 PM
The fact that you cited King lets me know how far off base you are.
Actually, King cited a conversation he had with McD and McD never denied it...but like all apologists you rather not let facts get in the way of your fantasy. Your credibility was poor when you started the thread, your inability and unwillingness to check facts cements your ignorance and your reliance on people's credulity.

thecool
12-06-2010, 07:23 PM
How old is Calhoun and how much NFL experience does he have?

Are you too stupid to use wikipedia?

broncosteven
12-06-2010, 07:24 PM
I don't think this has anything to do with the fans, or even McDaniel's coaching job. I suspect that the other shoe is dropping from Spygate II and Bowlen had to make a swift decison before it all gets out. I don't have any info on this, but to fire him like this and not let him ride the season out... Something else has to be going on here.

I still don't understand why they let mCd do the Presser then fire him a few hours later, reeks of some sort of fight or new damning info...

TDmvp
12-06-2010, 07:25 PM
That's seriously a bunch of ****! All I have tried to do in this game is to be a friend and confidant. And what do I get in return? Stabbed in the ****ing back!

Seriously, I've learned the true nature of some of my "friends" by playing this game. You a-holes act so superior to everyone. I should start posting things I've heard about some of you. Knock you off your ****ing high post a little.

Enjoy your stupid little game, a-holes! Newsflash! I only played this stupid ****ing game to have conversation fodder - the unintentional comedy kind. That's right, you ****ers - I am going to spend the next ****ing year making fun of you to my real friends - the kind that don't stab me in the ****ing back.


/ponder I must have totally missed something or this must be something from another thread carrying over to this one .

That post was ment for this thread right Dom ? With it being what I think is your first post in this thread it confused me.

broncosteven
12-06-2010, 07:25 PM
Are you too stupid to use wikipedia?

Are you too stupid to comprehend SARCASM?

DomCasual
12-06-2010, 07:26 PM
/ponder I must have totally missed something or this must be something from another thread carrying over to this one .

That post was ment for this thread right Dom ? With it being what I think is your first post in this thread it confused me.

:) Yeah, it's sort of an old inside joke that's been passed around the Mane for a few years.

TailgateNut
12-06-2010, 07:26 PM
I still don't understand why they let mCd do the Presser then fire him a few hours later, reeks of some sort of fight or new damning info...


....or the owner turning ito Al Davis II

ohiobronco2
12-06-2010, 07:27 PM
1st off, he was left with an aging interior line. Ben Hamilton's career is looking like it's over and Weiggman just sucked. It was agreed that both those players needed to be addressed after 2009 season. This was a NEED during the draft earlier this year.

He had a couple of tackles who had given up a total of 1.5 sacks the year before. Sure he needed to address the line, but they had guys there who were considered solid (Kuper) before he arrived. Was it simply the scheme?

We needed an RB too. Then why did we sign so many that offseason. There is no doubt that we were decimated by injuries at the position the year before, but the guy went a little overboard.

He drafted Robert Ayers and DBs and safeties... in his 1st NFL draft he had no time to prepare since the hiring was in January, so you don't have a full year of scouting and preparation. Jury is still out on Ayers. Get a healthy Dumervil on the other side and see what we've got. I can't really fault all of the moves here, but you just discussed how our line was aging, but isn't that what McDaniels essentially did, added aging member to the secondary. He did draft Smith and then wasted the pick by trading him away.

2nd year he was screwed with massive amount of injury. Marshall didn't want to return, Tebow is obviously Tebow.

He did spend some time on defense however he didn't draft any dlineman in his 1st 2 years... it wasn't like this guy really drafted luxuriously other than Tebow where he traded back and forth. Would have been nice to draft some D lineman. I bet Nolan knows a thing or two about solid defenses.

We addressed the dline with F/A signings... not like we sat around and did nothing. It's hard to address the whole damn team in 2 drafts.

I think we all agree we probably would have drafted defense players this year though.

I agree, it's tough going through these times. Losing games it's hard to watch your team. But to simply just say fire the coach because the media infested my brain just shows how weak and dumb you fans are.

People can think for themselves. They don't need the media to tell them McDaniels is a failure.

TailgateNut
12-06-2010, 07:27 PM
Are you too stupid to comprehend SARCASM?


+WTF does his age and his two or three years as a water carrier for Shanny have to do with your stupid ass comment?

thecool
12-06-2010, 07:29 PM
Actually, King cited a conversation he had with McD and McD never denied it...but like all apologists you rather not let facts get in the way of your fantasy. Your credibility was poor when you started the thread, your inability and unwillingness to check facts cements your ignorance and your reliance on people's credulity.

Unwillingness to check the facts? I asked everyone to quote any part of my original post that was inaccurate.

King makes up **** ALL the time, he is one of the least credible sources of all sports columnist. McDaniels never denied it... was he even ASKED about it in order to deny it?

Peter King ALSO reported that Cutler wanted to be traded way before the trade talks, he wanted to be traded right after Bates got fired.

Telling me to check my facts, and you quote Peter King... you ****in dick head.

Bronco Yoda
12-06-2010, 07:30 PM
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broncosteven
12-06-2010, 07:30 PM
Unwillingness to check the facts? I asked everyone to quote any part of my original post that was inaccurate.

King makes up **** ALL the time, he is one of the least credible sources of all sports columnist. McDaniels never denied it... was he even ASKED about it in order to deny it?

Peter King ALSO reported that Cutler wanted to be traded way before the trade talks, he wanted to be traded right after Bates got fired.

Telling me to check my facts, and you quote Peter King... you ****in dick head.

Anyone know if this is one of Baja's "extra" accounts for trolling?

yerner
12-06-2010, 07:31 PM
Right. Somehow this is a public place where everyone can see me.

Ehh..semantics. I'd still be embarrased to post this ******ry.

Blueflame
12-06-2010, 07:33 PM
kinda like your temper tantrum, nes pas?

Except I didn't have any temper tantrums, TGN. I didn't leap onto the McDaniels bandwagon and said so (and was right btw)...

(the correct French is "n'est-ce pas"?)

broncosteven
12-06-2010, 07:33 PM
+WTF does his age and his two or three years as a water carrier for Shanny have to do with your stupid ass comment?

Calhoun has more experience than mCd at this point I would take anyone who has been around football more than mCd was.

epicSocialism4tw
12-06-2010, 07:34 PM
:) Yeah, it's sort of an old inside joke that's been passed around the Mane for a few years.

Whose quote was that?

Blueflame
12-06-2010, 07:35 PM
I disagree. No one was calling for shanny's head when we were losing.

We started out 6-0 and there was still bad press all over Denver after every single win. Then going in to MNF, 6-1 against the defending SB champions, half the stadium is filled with Steelers fans.

Yeah, that has nothing to do with the fans.

We were never 3-9 under Shanahan. If we had been, you would have seen many, many people calling for his head, even though he did merit a tiny bit more patience as a direct result of "2 Lombardis in the trophy case".

ColoradoDarin
12-06-2010, 07:36 PM
This thread needs to go into the Ring of Fame. Epic.

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q227/dhaus5650/diver-whale-high-five.jpg

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q227/dhaus5650/KyleOrton.gif

McDman
12-06-2010, 07:36 PM
I'll post here as long as I damn well feel like it sonny.

Don't get upset. I'm just saying if you're not going to be a fan why post on a fan forum? I think once it all settles you'll be fine and realize it's just a knee jerk reaction.

Merlin
12-06-2010, 07:36 PM
you ****in dick head.
It must hurt when people prick your fantasy world.

Blueflame
12-06-2010, 07:38 PM
Whose quote was that?

CBF1, I believe. In one of the OrangeMane Survivor threads.

McDman
12-06-2010, 07:38 PM
You such a hyperbolic maroon! Most of us will endure losing, but trading away young talent and dismantling a team that was on the rise two years ago? Really?

I'm not taking the high road. People like you supporting the moron McDouche are the reason why we are going to be bad for years. I called this when he traded Jay. Good or not, trading a young pro bowl QB was the writing on the wall. This guy has screwed our team up for years. But with him gone, I'm happy, win or lose. We don't have an a-hole cheating head coach.

How is a fan supporting the coach going to make us bad for years? If I recall the fans don't make executive decisions within this organization.

As a matter of fact they make no decisions.

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
12-06-2010, 07:39 PM
Give it up dude you are dealing with people that can only see wins & losses. To them thinking outside the box means they go out in the back yard and "think" something

Baja. I respect you for years now. You've had a lot of post that make sense. But prey tell what we should look at. What stat should we look at that says we going in the right direction.

epicSocialism4tw
12-06-2010, 07:40 PM
CBF1, I believe. In one of the OrangeMane Survivor threads.

An interwebz classic for sure.

WolfpackGuy
12-06-2010, 07:40 PM
Baja. I respect you for years now. You've had a lot of post that make sense. But prey tell what we should look at. What stat should we look at that says we going in the right direction.

Passing yardage and fantasy points in garbage time?

broncosteven
12-06-2010, 07:40 PM
Don't get upset. I'm just saying if you're not going to be a fan why post on a fan forum? .

Attention

TailgateNut
12-06-2010, 07:41 PM
Don't get upset. I'm just saying if you're not going to be a fan why post on a fan forum? I think once it all settles you'll be fine and realize it's just a knee jerk reaction.


Why the **** have jhns, gobroncos, bpc, bob and some of the other anti bronco ****ers posted here?

ohiobronco2
12-06-2010, 07:42 PM
Passing yardage and fantasy points in garbage time?

ROFL!Hilarious!

theAPAOps5
12-06-2010, 07:42 PM
I nominate theFOOL for post of the year. What an epic failure but HILARIOUS!

Kaylore
12-06-2010, 07:43 PM
Except I didn't have any temper tantrums, TGN. I didn't leap onto the McDaniels bandwagon and said so (and was right btw)...

(the correct French is "n'est-ce pas"?)

Hey, if he can be "thecool" can I have my name temporarily changed to "theawesome"?

broncosteven
12-06-2010, 07:44 PM
Hey, if he can be "thecool" can I have my name temporarily changed to "theawesome"?

thesuperior

Rohirrim
12-06-2010, 07:44 PM
Baja. I respect you for years now. You've had a lot of post that make sense. But prey tell what we should look at. What stat should we look at that says we going in the right direction.

Right direction? Wait until Calhoun is running the team. Right direction? :spit:

ColoradoDarin
12-06-2010, 07:44 PM
Hey, if he can be "thecool" can I have my name temporarily changed to "theawesome"?

How about thekhan?

Blueflame
12-06-2010, 07:44 PM
Hey, if he can be "thecool" can I have my name temporarily changed to "theawesome"?

Sure... I don't see why not. LOL

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
12-06-2010, 07:45 PM
Passing yardage and fantasy points in garbage time?

But, but, but, but, but, but, but, Cutler had garbage yardage, Hillis is dumb, you need to trade for a third sting QB.

ohiobronco2
12-06-2010, 07:45 PM
Hey, if he can be "thecool" can I have my name temporarily changed to "theawesome"?

Not if you keep making comments about your scrotum and taint. Hilarious!

Archer81
12-06-2010, 07:46 PM
Is this a meltdown thread?

If so...

http://tinyurl.com/278c38a

:Broncos:

Kaylore
12-06-2010, 07:47 PM
How about thekhan?

Yes, let's do this! Blue, order me one "thekhan" please.

epicSocialism4tw
12-06-2010, 07:47 PM
Hey, if he can be "thecool" can I have my name temporarily changed to "theawesome"?

I'm thinking of making one the following changes:

theRadicalTad
theCherryChezzer
theJohnTravolta
theBurtReynolds
theEpic
theBeastmodeEpicBeastyEpicness
theGnarly
thePaulyShore
theTaigateNutSpiderRohirrimLABF

Garcia Bronco
12-06-2010, 07:47 PM
Absolute thecool.

Chris
12-06-2010, 07:47 PM
It has everything to do with LOSING. And the fan base had nothing to do with the losing; we were mere spectators. Yeah we have opinions but the NFL is a "win-now-or-else" business. And McDaniels' team wasn't winning. It's as simple as that.

I understand that you're upset with the decision. But taking it out on your fellow fans isn't going to accomplish much of anything other than perhaps offending most everyone else here.

Bull****. People hated Mcdaniels the second he got the job.

broncosteven
12-06-2010, 07:49 PM
Did the OP hit his bed time?

thecool
12-06-2010, 07:49 PM
He had a couple of tackles who had given up a total of 1.5 sacks the year before. Sure he needed to address the line, but they had guys there who were considered solid (Kuper) before he arrived. Was it simply the scheme?

We were moving away from that scheme... it was bound to happen. Anyways, I'm talking about the INTERIOR line, specifically C and LG...so I'm not sure why you referenced everyone else.


Then why did we sign so many that offseason. There is no doubt that we were decimated by injuries at the position the year before, but the guy went a little overboard.


WHY?

Do you realize that every single RB from 2008 other than Hillis did not play in the NFL in 2009? Ryan Torain got injured again during 2009 TC I believe. So essentially we had 1 RB in Peyton Hillis that was left over in 2008.

And the fact that you say he went overboard? How did he go "overboard"? PROOF?

This right here is the perfect example of my original post, how ****in stupid Broncos fans are and how inaccurate they are when they come to conclusions.

Jury is still out on Ayers. Get a healthy Dumervil on the other side and see what we've got. I can't really fault all of the moves here, but you just discussed how our line was aging, but isn't that what McDaniels essentially did, added aging member to the secondary. He did draft Smith and then wasted the pick by trading it away.

Ayers has taken a huge step up from last year, and I think we can agree he'll be an NFL starter in his future. It was pretty obvious this year how important he was to our defense.

When I said our line was aging, I meant they had literally 1 MAYBE 2 seasons left and their play had SIGNIFICANTLY declined. This is not the same as signing a CB that has a few years in the tank and played solid for us.

Would have been nice to draft some D lineman. I bet Nolan knows a thing or two about solid defenses.

Yes it would have been. However the further you move down a draft, the less picky you can be (if you select a player) on who you select. It would have been good to select a dlineman...

People can think for themselves. They don't need the media to tell them McDaniels is a failure.


If people can think for themselves your post would have never happened.

broncosteven
12-06-2010, 07:50 PM
We were moving away from that scheme... it was bound to happen. Anyways, I'm talking about the INTERIOR line, specifically C and LG...so I'm not sure why you referenced everyone else.



WHY?

Do you realize that every single RB from 2008 other than Hillis did not play in the NFL in 2009? Ryan Torain got injured again during 2009 TC I believe. So essentially we had 1 RB in Peyton Hillis that was left over in 2008.

And the fact that you say he went overboard? How did he go "overboard"? PROOF?

This right here is the perfect example of my original post, how ****in stupid Broncos fans are and how inaccurate they are when they come to conclusions.



Ayers has taken a huge step up from last year, and I think we can agree he'll be an NFL starter in his future. It was pretty obvious this year how important he was to our defense.

When I said our line was aging, I meant they had literally 1 MAYBE 2 seasons left and their play had SIGNIFICANTLY declined. This is not the same as signing a CB that has a few years in the tank and played solid for us.



Yes it would have been. However the further you move down a draft, the less picky you can be (if you select a player) on who you select. It would have been good to select a dlineman...



If people can think for themselves your post would have never happened.

Just so you know, I didn't read any of your rant.

broncosteven
12-06-2010, 07:50 PM
I'm thinking of making one the following changes:

theRadicalTad
theCherryChezzer
theJohnTravolta
theBurtReynolds
theEpic
theBeastmodeEpicBeastyEpicness
theGnarly
thePaulyShore
theTaigateNutSpiderRohirrimLABF

I want themoonlanding

broncosteven
12-06-2010, 07:51 PM
Maybe our next HC will actually read the copy of "Failure is not an Option" that I send them!

epicSocialism4tw
12-06-2010, 07:53 PM
I want themoonlanding

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cmhargrove
12-06-2010, 07:54 PM
Ok, 8 pages in the books.

Are you still wanting to screw all the Denver fans? It's going to take a while, and some of them are really kind of skanky.

PS - most if them are also dudes - have you thought about that yet?

strafen
12-06-2010, 07:55 PM
Right direction? Wait until Calhoun is running the team. Right direction? :spit:Back up that comment with some facts so we can see where you're coming from

Blueflame
12-06-2010, 07:57 PM
Bull****. People hated Mcdaniels the second he got the job.

If you add the word "some" before "people", you would undoubtedly be accurate. But it took Spygate II and a losing season the likes of which we haven't seen since the 70's to bring the majority to even question if it might be possible he would not still be the Broncos' HC in 2011.

broncosteven
12-06-2010, 07:58 PM
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There is a reason Neil disappeared from public life. I bet I couldn't even pick him out if he walked past me. I like Buzz though, glad he got his **** together.

epicSocialism4tw
12-06-2010, 08:00 PM
There is a reason Neil disappeared from public life. I bet I couldn't even pick him out if he walked past me. I like Buzz though, glad he got his **** together.

He can throw a nice right cross. Ha!

broncosteven
12-06-2010, 08:01 PM
He can throw a nice right cross. Ha!

That dude was a good foot taller too

ohiobronco2
12-06-2010, 08:07 PM
We were moving away from that scheme... it was bound to happen. Anyways, I'm talking about the INTERIOR line, specifically C and LG...so I'm not sure why you referenced everyone else.

Weird. I didn't realize RG (Kuper) wasn't part of the interior. Having quality T's is a big deal. If you are trying to make the point that he didn't inherit a decent offensive line.

WHY?

Do you realize that every single RB from 2008 other than Hillis did not play in the NFL in 2009? Ryan Torain got injured again during 2009 TC I believe. So essentially we had 1 RB in Peyton Hillis that was left over in 2008.

And the fact that you say he went overboard? How did he go "overboard"? PROOF?

Buckhalter, Arrington, Jordan, Moreno. Why sign all of these guys, many not much better than the scrubs already on the roster. Hillis, who was traded is playing better than all of them. You can debate Moreno will be better, but you can't prove it to this point. Did we not waste money by signing some of these guys. Josh just signing guys for draft mis direction?

This right here is the perfect example of my original post, how ****in stupid Broncos fans are and how inaccurate they are when they come to conclusions.

Trying to get personal won't prove whatever point it is you are trying (failing) to make

Ayers has taken a huge step up from last year, and I think we can agree he'll be an NFL starter in his future. It was pretty obvious this year how important he was to our defense.
Not sure I disagree. Getting the league leader in sacks back next season will only help.

When I said our line was aging, I meant they had literally 1 MAYBE 2 seasons left and their play had SIGNIFICANTLY declined. This is not the same as signing a CB that has a few years in the tank and played solid for us.

I'd say Dawkins only had a few years left when we signed him. Sproles made him look like a statue.

Yes it would have been. However the further you move down a draft, the less picky you can be (if you select a player) on who you select. It would have been good to select a dlineman...



If people can think for themselves this post would have never happened.

Are you refering to your original post? If so, I agree.


:approve:

broncosteven
12-06-2010, 08:09 PM
:approve:

I didn't read that either.

ohiobronco2
12-06-2010, 08:09 PM
I didn't read that either.

Hilarious!LOL

ohiobronco2
12-06-2010, 08:11 PM
I didn't read that either.

http://menversus.com/images/didntread.gif

spdirty
12-06-2010, 08:14 PM
Bull****. People hated Mcdaniels the second he got the job.

Yea yea, its called foresight. Not that those you talk about (me) have to be brilliant to have it, we just knew from the start that a 32 year old kid from New England probably wouldnt work out.

DomCasual
12-06-2010, 08:19 PM
Whose quote was that?

That would be mine - originally. But it's been used and used. I actually did it up as a joke for Survivor one year. I bet if you researched it - as I know you have time to do - you'd find it's been used fifty times.

It's one of my proudest Mane contributions.

The MVPlaya
12-06-2010, 08:22 PM
Weird. I didn't realize RG (Kuper) wasn't part of the interior. Having quality T's is a big deal. If you are trying to make the point that he didn't inherit a decent offensive line.

You can't possibly be this retarded. THE POST SPECIFICALLY said LG and C. THE point was he inherited a line that was aging at specifically LG and C. Can you read ****er? LG AND C. That's why LG and C was a NEED for the 2010 NFL DRAFT. Go back and read or even look at some mock drafts.

Buckhalter, Arrington, Jordan, Moreno. Why sign all of these guys, many not much better than the scrubs already on the roster. Hillis, who was traded is playing better than all of them. You can debate Moreno will be better, but you can't prove it to this point. Did we not waste money by signing some of these guys. Josh just signing guys for draft mis direction?

Did you even check the guys that were left over from 2008? They're NO LONGER IN THE NFL or NOT PLAYING...are you this stupid?

I'd say Dawkins only had a few years left when we signed him. Sproles made him look like a statue.


And what's your point? Dawkins had a great season... made the Pro Bowl.


I honestly don't think you can comprehend our conversation. Some of the things you are saying aren't a response to what I'm saying, they're simply just a thought in your pea brain that you believe relates to our topic when you're really just repeating exactly what I already said.

Just shut the **** up.

Blueflame
12-06-2010, 08:22 PM
That would be mine - originally. But it's been used and used. I actually did it up as a joke for Survivor one year. I bet if you researched it - as I know you have time to do - you'd find it's been used fifty times.

It's one of my proudest Mane contributions.

My bad... I thought it was CBF1... perhaps his was the first "quote" of your "exit speech"....

Durango
12-06-2010, 08:28 PM
No one likes losing. However this is what I'm talking when I bring up the spoiled aspect of Broncos fans. They'd rather go through mediocrity with some sort of "hope"

With the hire of McDaniels, everyone KNEW he'd be learning on the job and deserved at least 3 years. McDaniels has dealt with some of the intense adversity that he could have not avoided. Broncos fan base could not stand behind him no matter what.

All those injuries that happened this year were ridiculous and the fans still somehow found a way to blame them on the coach.

We have great young talent, some even on the defense side of the ball. McDaniels has shown he can draft and improved after 1 year.

We have one of the greatest leaders in all of sports in Tebow and we all knew that McDaniels would put him in a position to succeed.

The fact that Bowlen allowed Shanahan a few years to develop Cutler and company and not allow McDaniels 2 full years to develop his is ridiculous to me.

That tells me he was feeling the heat from the fans, thus I blame the fans for this ****.

Yikes. Improved at what, exactly? Losing? I agree. We haven't had losses like these in 40 years.

I think it's supposed to be the other way around though. Pretty sure anyway.

The MVPlaya
12-06-2010, 08:30 PM
Yikes

What an informative post you made, just like every single other post you make.

The MVPlaya
12-06-2010, 08:31 PM
Yikes. Improved at what, exactly? Losing? I agree. We haven't had losses like these in 40 years.

I think it's supposed to be the other way around though. Pretty sure anyway.

Improved in drafting, can you not read sentences while holding onto the idea of that sentence?

Broncos_OTM
12-06-2010, 08:31 PM
Fans obviously made an impact on this.

Been a Broncos fan all my life and this is the 1st time I've seen how spoiled fans are.

I'm questioning my "allegiance" with the Broncos right now because of this fan base.

Josh McDaniels has replaced every player he's traded away with a player that has outperformed the prior... other than Peyton Hillis... Moreno did just break off a record day against the 7th ranked run defense though.

This all started with the Cuter fiasco, which some still some how blame on McDaniels (even though Bowlen called for the trade)... but most the fans have come around. McDaniels wouldn't tell Cutler he can't be traded, and that's what set Cutler off.

I cannot sign on any Broncos forums and feel good about my fellow fans. It's not about the opinions of the fans, it's about how fans reach to those opinions... it's so off and inaccurate.

This has less to do with McDaniels as it does the Broncos fan base.

As of this moment, I love the players on the Denver Broncos and that's what holds me here. But my hatred for this fan base cannot be explained in words.

I mean how can I sit here with a fan base that let a team buy half the tickets for a MNF after coming off a loss after 6 straight wins? I'm talking about the game on MNF last year against Pitts.

And home field advantage? You guys can't cheer for sh*t.

I'm cool with some of the posters here, even some of the critical ones, but as a whole this fan base sucks.

Don't get me started on the media outlets in Denver... even after WINS the outlets make bad press.

Part of me says I wouldn't be disappointed to see the Denver Broncos fans suffer for years to come...

The other part of me says go drink... just like every other idiot in Denver.

you sure talk alot of **** for a nobody... go **** yourself?

Durango
12-06-2010, 08:34 PM
What an informative post you made, just like every single other post you make.

back atcha dip****

Broncos_OTM
12-06-2010, 08:34 PM
ordre of those to blame...

Owner Check

Players Check

Scheme Check

Only making meatloaf avaible on the menu on tuesdays Check


Fan Base .Ch...wait whaaaa???...

ohiobronco2
12-06-2010, 08:44 PM
You can't possibly be this retarded. THE POST SPECIFICALLY said LG and C. THE point was he inherited a line that was aging at specifically LG and C. Can you read ****er? LG AND C. That's why LG and C was a NEED for the 2010 NFL DRAFT. Go back and read or even look at some mock drafts.

He did not specifically state LG and C. He did however list the LG and C. Fine, I'll concede that. We still had what many considered top tier talent at the tackle positions. A Center who may have been aging but made the pro bowl. A solid RG. Are Ben and Casey still starting in the NFL? I never said that we didn't need to add talent to those positions, I just stated that the line McDaniels inherited wasn't garbage.

Did you even check the guys that were left over from 2008? They're NO LONGER IN THE NFL or NOT PLAYING...are you this stupid?

Torain is still playing and looked pretty solid at times earlier this year. Hillis sure looks good. What about the guys McDaniels brought in Lamont Jordan & JJ Arrington. Are they in the league anymore?


And what's your point? Dawkins had a great season... made the Pro Bowl.

So did Wiegmann the year before, but he was aging and washed up? Can't have it both ways.

I honestly don't think you can comprehend our conversation. Some of the things you are saying aren't a response to what I'm saying, they're simply just a thought in your pea brain that you believe relates to our topic when you're really just repeating exactly what I already said.

Just shut the **** up.

Just because your Josh McDaniels underoos are covered in skid marks doesn't mean you need to get pissed at me.

Homer Simpson
12-06-2010, 08:47 PM
you sure talk alot of **** for a nobody... go **** yourself?

What make's one a "somebody" on the internets pray tell?

Broncos_OTM
12-06-2010, 08:49 PM
What make's one a "somebody" on the internets pray tell?

wasnt homer simpson

Durango
12-06-2010, 08:49 PM
Improved in drafting, can you not read sentences while holding onto the idea of that sentence?

I can. I choose rather to simply follow you around in your wildly arrogant, pompous and overbearing--ask me I know it all--cloudmobile, and piss you off. Tell me, is it working?

The MVPlaya
12-06-2010, 08:51 PM
He did not specifically state LG and C. He did however list the LG and C. Fine, I'll concede that. We still had what many considered top tier talent at the tackle positions. A Center who may have been aging but made the pro bowl. A solid RG. Are Ben and Casey still starting in the NFL? I never said that we didn't need to add talent to those positions, I just stated that the line McDaniels inherited wasn't garbage.

Ben started this year but got a concussion at the beginning of the season, his career is done. Weigmann played horrible for us during the 2009 season. LG and C was a need during the draft, that's all that was said, no one said he inherited a garbage offense line, just a line that needed young interior upgrade, hence why he went for in the draft. Are you finally able to comprehend this? You've derailed yourself so far off the original point you're typing **** up that has to do with it.

Torain is still playing and looked pretty solid at times earlier this year. Hillis sure looks good. What about the guys McDaniels brought in Lamont Jordan & JJ Arrington. Are they in the league anymore?


Did you read? Torain was INJURED in the 2009 TC so he couldn't play. JJ Arrington was RELEASED in 2009 too. WTF are you bitching about? Do you remember what you're original statement was? Why did the Broncos address the RB position? I'm telling you we NEEDED too and if you don't see that at this point you clearly need to stop lying on forum sign ups about your age.

Bronco Yoda
12-06-2010, 09:16 PM
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ohiobronco2
12-06-2010, 09:21 PM
Ben started this year but got a concussion at the beginning of the season, his career is done. Weigmann played horrible for us during the 2009 season. LG and C was a need during the draft, that's all that was said, no one said he inherited a garbage offense line, just a line that needed young interior upgrade, hence why he went for in the draft. Are you finally able to comprehend this? You've derailed yourself so far off the original point you're typing **** up that has to do with it.



Did you read? Torain was INJURED in the 2009 TC so he couldn't play. JJ Arrington was RELEASED in 2009 too. WTF are you b****ing about? Do you remember what you're original statement was? Why did the Broncos address the RB position? I'm telling you we NEEDED too and if you don't see that at this point you clearly need to stop lying on forum sign ups about your age.

We can go round and round about this. If the original point was that McDaniels needed to draft a couple of O-Linemen in the last draft and that was a position he just HAD to upgrade, fine. I'm not going to drop kick my animals over the Beadles and Walton picks. I know at the end of 2008 we had 2 solid tackles, a solid RG and a pro bowl center. Obviously a year later the center was washed up and Guard was also over the hill. We traded Lichensteiger who happens to be starting for the Redskins, but I understand he didn't fit McDaniels system.

Concerning the RB, say what you want, we are not much better. Moreno is hit and miss. Two of the RB's that McDaniels signed are not in the NFL anymore either. What tremendous upgrades McDaniels HAD to make at that position. I never said he didn't need to try and make improvements at the RB postion anyways, I said he went overboard and didn't really improve the overall talent. He said we needed a RB, why did we sign 3 or 4 and also draft one. They (all the running backs we aquired) were all sh*t except Moreno. The best RB we had now plays for the Browns.

broncocalijohn
12-06-2010, 09:39 PM
Please quote me where I said I'm leaving the omane?

You add to the list of the dumb Broncos fans that can't read.

Yeah, studsteven. He is leaving the broncos fan club and root for someone else. He will stay at the mane and be a former lurker and become the new troll. Lucky us! You know thecool (I cant believe someone has that as a name and worse than the guy changing his name to Iceman), you can always take off like Cutlerfan to the Bears or Atlas to the Redskins. We dont need McDaniels updates from wherever he pops up at in the future so no Div 3 college reports, ok?

Tombstone RJ
12-06-2010, 09:43 PM
Fans obviously made an impact on this.

Been a Broncos fan all my life and this is the 1st time I've seen how spoiled fans are.

I'm questioning my "allegiance" with the Broncos right now because of this fan base.

Josh McDaniels has replaced every player he's traded away with a player that has outperformed the prior... other than Peyton Hillis... Moreno did just break off a record day against the 7th ranked run defense though.

This all started with the Cuter fiasco, which some still some how blame on McDaniels (even though Bowlen called for the trade)... but most the fans have come around. McDaniels wouldn't tell Cutler he can't be traded, and that's what set Cutler off.

I cannot sign on any Broncos forums and feel good about my fellow fans. It's not about the opinions of the fans, it's about how fans reach to those opinions... it's so off and inaccurate.

This has less to do with McDaniels as it does the Broncos fan base.

As of this moment, I love the players on the Denver Broncos and that's what holds me here. But my hatred for this fan base cannot be explained in words.

I mean how can I sit here with a fan base that let a team buy half the tickets for a MNF after coming off a loss after 6 straight wins? I'm talking about the game on MNF last year against Pitts.

And home field advantage? You guys can't cheer for sh*t.

I'm cool with some of the posters here, even some of the critical ones, but as a whole this fan base sucks.

Don't get me started on the media outlets in Denver... even after WINS the outlets make bad press.

Part of me says I wouldn't be disappointed to see the Denver Broncos fans suffer for years to come...

The other part of me says go drink... just like every other idiot in Denver.

rep!

The Broncos fan base is a bunch of whiney spoiled crybabies.

Tombstone RJ
12-06-2010, 09:44 PM
who are you?

He's a better fan than you.

extralife
12-06-2010, 09:47 PM
fan police turn into what they hate

how does it feel

to not have a brain

Broncos4tw
12-06-2010, 09:58 PM
Hey Cool.. just wondering why it's not ok for the HC to be treated with the same policy he himself set for his players? He was given as much or more of a chance than he gave those under him. That's fair... yes?

He needs a serious dose of humility, something he utterly lacks as a new, young coach in this NFL. Perhaps this will teach him that.

As far as Bowlen goes, you don't know a thing about why he did this. You honestly think he hobnobs with the fans and takes their advice? This is a business. These are also tough times. I don't know about you, but my company has been cutting both people and funds at every turn, to make it work. Why does it surprise you that the Denver Bronco Corporation would do the same? Business is about the now, not the "what you can do in 2 years." Stadiums empty at half - you BLAME the fans for this? For leaving when their team is getting blown out at home?

Get a grip - he to this point showed NOTHING that would cement his staying here as HC. He had quite the ego, for someone without HC experience. He acted like a mini Belicheat + Parcells with a dash of Shanny, without the credentials nor record nor HC experience to back it up. He lost 7 of the 8 games, a dismal record - any coach would be under the hotseat for that sort of performance.

But a new coach alone at the sidelines will draw more of a crowd THIS year, which is what I guess Bowlen is looking for. To him, it's all about $$$ and the bottom line.

DeusExManning
12-06-2010, 10:03 PM
I feel the same. I am embarrassed. The fans have been ridiculous and horrible and for the first time I am questioning my allegiance. I love my Broncos but we have really horrible fans right now.

DeusExManning
12-06-2010, 10:04 PM
fans obviously made an impact on this.

Been a broncos fan all my life and this is the 1st time i've seen how spoiled fans are.

I'm questioning my "allegiance" with the broncos right now because of this fan base.

Josh mcdaniels has replaced every player he's traded away with a player that has outperformed the prior... Other than peyton hillis... Moreno did just break off a record day against the 7th ranked run defense though.

This all started with the cuter fiasco, which some still some how blame on mcdaniels (even though bowlen called for the trade)... But most the fans have come around. Mcdaniels wouldn't tell cutler he can't be traded, and that's what set cutler off.

I cannot sign on any broncos forums and feel good about my fellow fans. It's not about the opinions of the fans, it's about how fans reach to those opinions... It's so off and inaccurate.

This has less to do with mcdaniels as it does the broncos fan base.

As of this moment, i love the players on the denver broncos and that's what holds me here. But my hatred for this fan base cannot be explained in words.

i mean how can i sit here with a fan base that let a team buy half the tickets for a mnf after coming off a loss after 6 straight wins? I'm talking about the game on mnf last year against pitts.

And home field advantage? You guys can't cheer for sh*t.

i'm cool with some of the posters here, even some of the critical ones, but as a whole this fan base sucks.

Don't get me started on the media outlets in denver... Even after wins the outlets make bad press.

Part of me says i wouldn't be disappointed to see the denver broncos fans suffer for years to come...

The other part of me says go drink... Just like every other idiot in denver.

agreed

The MVPlaya
12-06-2010, 10:07 PM
We can go round and round about this. If the original point was that McDaniels needed to draft a couple of O-Linemen in the last draft and that was a position he just HAD to upgrade, fine. I'm not going to drop kick my animals over the Beadles and Walton picks. I know at the end of 2008 we had 2 solid tackles, a solid RG and a pro bowl center. Obviously a year later the center was washed up and Guard was also over the hill. We traded Lichensteiger who happens to be starting for the Redskins, but I understand he didn't fit McDaniels system.

Good, now you conceded, we'll go onto the next.


Concerning the RB, say what you want, we are not much better. Moreno is hit and miss. Two of the RB's that McDaniels signed are not in the NFL anymore either. What tremendous upgrades McDaniels HAD to make at that position. I never said he didn't need to try and make improvements at the RB postion anyways, I said he went overboard and didn't really improve the overall talent. He said we needed a RB, why did we sign 3 or 4 and also draft one. They (all the running backs we aquired) were all sh*t except Moreno. The best RB we had now plays for the Browns.

He didn't really spend much on the RB position other than Moreno to begin with, so why are you complaining?

We drafted 1 because it was a need. We signed 3 or 4 more because we needed them. Pittman's career was over, so was Selvin Young and Tatum Bell's. So you have Andre Hall and P.J. Pope. They were out the previous year with injuries, and I'm not sure what their contracts were... did you evr take this into account?

He pretty much took over a team with NO running backs outside of Hillis and Torain, and he kept BOTH with 1 going down due to injury.

So it doesn't really make a difference he signed Jordan... he knew the system already and that's why was brought in...assist the other backs and be able to go in seamlessly. It's not even a big signing, why is it a big deal?

I'm really confused here... why are you complaining about him spending time on this position after how fast you saw RBs drop the previous season? We carried 3/4 backs to the game every week...WTF are you bitching about?

Dr. Broncenstein
12-06-2010, 10:08 PM
I feel the same. I am embarrassed. The fans have been ridiculous and horrible and for the first time I am questioning my allegiance. I love my Broncos but we have really horrible fans right now.

Go cheer for a winner. Like the Patriots.

ohiobronco2
12-06-2010, 10:19 PM
Go cheer for a winner. Like the Patriots.

ROFL! They sure missed Josh tonight. Too bad he wasn't there to give up a first round pick to acquire a 2nd only to draft a CB (loaded up on in FA-not sure a position of need) to trade him the next year for a TE. I don't know why we needed a TE, we had an all pro in Dick Quinn, you know, the 2nd rounder. Of course, who could forget trading a guy who is in the top 10 in the NFL in rushing for a 3rd string QB. All hail McDaniels. We should never have questioned his genius.

Chris
12-06-2010, 10:23 PM
Apparently you have to be prom queen before you can start an inflammatory thread on the mane.

Bronco Yoda
12-06-2010, 10:25 PM
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KipCorrington25
12-06-2010, 10:28 PM
If you add the word "some" before "people", you would undoubtedly be accurate. But it took Spygate II and a losing season the likes of which we haven't seen since the 70's to bring the majority to even question if it might be possible he would not still be the Broncos' HC in 2011.

I hated him as soon as I read New England on his resume.

ohiobronco2
12-06-2010, 10:28 PM
Good, now you conceded, we'll go onto the next.



He didn't really spend much on the RB position other than Moreno to begin with, so why are you complaining?

We drafted 1 because it was a need. We signed 3 or 4 more because we needed them. Pittman's career was over, so was Selvin Young and Tatum Bell's. So you have Andre Hall and P.J. Pope. They were out the previous year with injuries, and I'm not sure what their contracts were... did you evr take this into account?

He pretty much took over a team with NO running backs outside of Hillis and Torain, and he kept BOTH with 1 going down due to injury.

So it doesn't really make a difference he signed Jordan... he knew the system already and that's why was brought in...assist the other backs and be able to go in seamlessly. It's not even a big signing, why is it a big deal?

I'm really confused here... why are you complaining about him spending time on this position after how fast you saw RBs drop the previous season? We carried 3/4 backs to the game every week...WTF are you b****ing about?

He replaced sh*t with Moreno and sh*t. I don't know the contracts and I'm not going to look them up. I'm simply saying that he really didn't improve the roster at this position (he traded warm bodies for warm bodies and I feel confident wasted money in the process) and the only decent RB we had on our team (that had proven anything at the time) was traded to Cleveland. Of course, you don't want to admit that. While I don't mind the Moreno pick, it surely wasn't of the highest need. Our offense was solid with RB being the lone exception (we signed all of these guys, we didn't need to reach for one in that class) and we should have spent more picks on defense.

TD4HOF
12-06-2010, 10:53 PM
The Cool?!?!?! Seriously?!?!?!

pricejj
12-06-2010, 11:04 PM
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pricejj
12-06-2010, 11:06 PM
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Los Broncos
12-06-2010, 11:07 PM
I wish some people would just get over it already.

Blueflame
12-06-2010, 11:22 PM
I hated him as soon as I read New England on his resume.

Most people here on the Mane already know my opinion re: the Pats too. And some also no doubt recall that Spygate I was one of the things that concerned me... especially any chance of a similar scandal happening with regard to the Broncos. It sure would have been nice to have been wrong... :-/

broncocalijohn
12-06-2010, 11:29 PM
Well guys, we did it. Us fans at the Mane got McDaniels fired. No one else but us and some fans outside the mane. I guess now we fold the tent up, sell the computer equipment and put out our last press release at the Fire McDaniels Now headquarters. We just increased the unemployment numbers with go_broncos President now jobless (he was homeless anyways), BlueFlame with her title of enforcer, jobless. BroncoSteven, jobless, but he was never working on the project anyways as he was always in the bathroom with the Kranz photos. SPdirty is relieved of his duties as is Strafen.

Bronco Yoda
12-06-2010, 11:34 PM
We have the power!

strafen
12-06-2010, 11:35 PM
Well guys, we did it. Us fans at the Mane got McDaniels fired. No one else but us and some fans outside the mane. I guess now we fold the tent up, sell the computer equipment and put out our last press release at the Fire McDaniels Now headquarters. We just increased the unemployment numbers with go_broncos President now jobless (he was homeless anyways), BlueFlame with her title of enforcer, jobless. BroncoSteven, jobless, but he was never working on the project anyways as he was always in the bathroom with the Kranz photos. SPdirty is relieved of his duties as is Strafen.... LOLROFL!:strong:

baja
12-06-2010, 11:39 PM
thesuperior

I think thesuppository fits you better.

baja
12-06-2010, 11:43 PM
I'm thinking of making one the following changes:

theRadicalTad
theCherryChezzer
theJohnTravolta
theBurtReynolds
theEpic
theBeastmodeEpicBeastyEpicness
theGnarly
thePaulyShore
theTaigateNutSpiderRohirrimLABF

How about THEDRAMALLAMA, you know get back to your roots.

Bronco Yoda
12-06-2010, 11:46 PM
Thought you'd be over at the black hole by now.

baja
12-06-2010, 11:49 PM
Go cheer for a winner. Like the Patriots.

Cutler was wrong denver fans are a 3.

broncocalijohn
12-07-2010, 12:19 AM
Cutler was wrong denver fans are a 3.

but once you leave, we will be back to 9. :wave:

Taco John
12-07-2010, 12:24 AM
If only the fans had rooted harder at home, Josh wouldn't have been outcoached by Tom Cable and given up a record amount of points scored on the home turf.

We all really let Josh down.

Bronco Yoda
12-07-2010, 12:26 AM
So does this mean we don't get to feed McD face first to the black hole in a few weeks like I predicted?

colonelbeef
12-07-2010, 03:03 AM
Girl, please.

After 6 months of you people crying like babies and trashing the team, you're going to take high road, now?

The OP is overstated, of course... but there's some truth in there. We've learned just how many "fans" won't stick with this team when the going gets tough.

Let's hope our next coach wins immediately, or we'll have to endure endless whining and insults until he does.


As for the firing, I'm not surprised at all. I said I thought the camera thing was a game-changer, and I believe it was.

Bring in the next coach - GO BRONCOS.

Poops can't bring himself to admit that the firing was the result of Josh McDaniels and his poor coaching, talent evaluation, and leadership- even he has to somehow 'blame the fans' for the atrocious product on the field.

Too funny. A grown adult man should know better.

DBroncos4life
12-07-2010, 03:08 AM
Cutler was wrong denver fans are a 3.

Plenty of room for you at the "black hole" or where ever Mc****Bag lands.

The MVPlaya
12-07-2010, 03:11 AM
Poops can't bring himself to admit that the firing was the result of Josh McDaniels and his poor coaching, talent evaluation, and leadership- even he has to somehow 'blame the fans' for the atrocious product on the field.

Too funny. A grown adult man should know better.

The fans are ****ty. There is absolutely no home field advantage at all. Let's just be clear.

The city had it out for him day 1... he's a 1st time coach for **** sake. This will be some of the most valuable experience will receive on the Broncos watch.

Spagnulo went 1-15 last year. 1 and ****ing 15.

You can question his poor coaching and leadership (poor coaching you can back up with games, leadership... well you really have little basis for this)... but talent evaluation? I'd like to know how bad he evaluated any talent. He had a solid draft and have his top picks contributing, not a common feat on every NFL team.

The next coach will have an EXTREMELY young offense, younger than the one Shanny left Denver with... only the ones that were left behind by Josh aren't divas and one is an actual leader.

Blueflame
12-07-2010, 03:27 AM
The fans are ****ty. There is absolutely no home field advantage at all. Let's just be clear.

The city had it out for him day 1... he's a 1st time coach for **** sake. This will be some of the most valuable experience will receive on the Broncos watch.

Spagnulo went 1-15 last year. 1 and ****ing 15.

You can question his poor coaching and leadership (poor coaching you can back up with games, leadership... well you really have little basis for this)... but talent evaluation? I'd like to know how bad he evaluated any talent.He had a solid draft and have his top picks contributing, not a common feat on every NFL team.

The next coach will have an EXTREMELY young offense, younger than the one Shanny left Denver with... only the ones that were left behind by Josh aren't divas and one is an actual leader.

What about that undersized CB he gave up a first rounder for? You know... the one he gave up on and let go to Detroit... I'd say that just might be an example of bad talent evaluation.

Broncos_OTM
12-07-2010, 03:32 AM
What about that undersized CB he gave up a first rounder for? You know... the one he gave up on and let go to Detroit... I'd say that just might be an example of bad talent evaluation.

You cannot blame everything on MCD. I think the entire front office has to be taken to the woodshed. Why cause while MCD had the final say he didnt do all the talent evaluation.... remember such things as sscouts.

Im sorry but tthis is not all MCDs fault.

The MVPlaya
12-07-2010, 03:34 AM
What about that undersized CB he gave up a first rounder for? You know... the one he gave up on and let go to Detroit... I'd say that just might be an example of bad talent evaluation.

Let me clarify...

Obviously there are going to be talent evaluations that are off or a player whom he drafts/signs that just doesn't work out. It happens to every organization in the NFL. This should be an assumption when talking about talent evaluations in general, there will be **** ups, but what about the bigger picture?

Being Denver fans, I'm surprised you guys can't grasp this concept.

Now ---> For the MOST part, has Josh's talent evaluation led this team to 3-9 this year? I don't think so. Probably just coaching, game planning, bad luck, injuries. If there is 1 thing we can agree on, it's that Josh was a fine talent evaluator... especially for being a 1st time HC.

Is anyone here currently unhappy with any of our picks from 2010 draft? Is anybody unhappy with Moreno and Ayers?

Blueflame
12-07-2010, 03:40 AM
You cannot blame everything on MCD. I think the entire front office has to be taken to the woodshed. Why cause while MCD had the final say he didnt do all the talent evaluation.... remember such things as sscouts.

Im sorry but tthis is not all MCDs fault.

Whoever was responsible for that ill-advised trade should be gone.

Blueflame
12-07-2010, 03:42 AM
Let me clarify...

Obviously there are going to be talent evaluations that are off or a player whom he drafts/signs that just doesn't work out. It happens to every organization in the NFL. This should be an assumption when talking about talent evaluations in general, there will be **** ups, but what about the bigger picture?

Being Denver fans, I'm surprised you guys can't grasp this concept.

Now ---> For the MOST part, has Josh's talent evaluation led this team to 3-9 this year? I don't think so. Probably just coaching, game planning, bad luck, injuries. If there is 1 thing we can agree on, it's that Josh was a fine talent evaluator... especially for being a 1st time HC.

Is anyone here currently unhappy with any of our picks from 2010 draft? Is anybody unhappy with Moreno and Ayers?

You asked for an example of where he made a bad evaluation of ANY (keyword here) talent. I gave you the example you asked for.

Jury's still out (as far as I'm concerned) on both Ayers and Moreno. Both have missed too much playing time due to injury to be properly and fairly assessed. IMHO.

The MVPlaya
12-07-2010, 03:57 AM
You asked for an example of where he made a bad evaluation of ANY (keyword here) talent. I gave you the example you asked for.

That is why I clarified.


Jury's still out (as far as I'm concerned) on both Ayers and Moreno. Both have missed too much playing time due to injury to be properly and fairly assessed. IMHO.

Fine. But I think you'd be with the few if you don't think they'll be starters. Have you watched Moreno for the past month? Our running game has improved every week just like it did in Cleveland last year.

As for Ayers, it was pretty obvious how important he was to our defense once he was injured. We were even forced to try and go 4-3.

Blueflame
12-07-2010, 04:14 AM
That is why I clarified.



Fine. But I think you'd be with the few if you don't think they'll be starters. Have you watched Moreno for the past month? Our running game has improved every week just like it did in Cleveland last year.

As for Ayers, it was pretty obvious how important he was to our defense once he was injured. We were even forced to try and go 4-3.

The ability to get healthy/stay healthy is completely key to any RB's career longevity. Some RB's... like Emmitt Smith... are lucky enough to remain relatively healthy throughout a lengthy career. Others... like TD... are less fortunate and fall victim to a freak accident (which can happen on any given play). Back in 1998, no one would have said Jerome Bettis was more likely to make the HOF than TD.... but after TD's injury, he's a longshot to make it while a (in 1997-1998) far-less-talented Bettis is now commonly viewed as a shoo-in (maybe not first-ballot, but more likely than TD to make it).

Ayers too... hasn't played enough games to adequately assess his impact as a player. The loss of Dumervil was a huge handicap to the '10 Broncos.