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Arkie
12-01-2010, 01:36 PM
The US is going to bail out the EU despite our high taxes and unemployment?


US Ready to Back Bigger EU Stability Fund: Official
Published: Wednesday, 1 Dec 2010
Reuters

The United States would be ready to support the extension of the European Financial Stability Facility via an extra commitment of money from the International Monetary Fund, a U.S. official told Reuters on Wednesday.

"There are a lot of people talking about that. I think the European Commission has talked about that," said the U.S. official, commenting on enlarging the 750 billion euro ($980 billion) EU/IMF European stability fund. "It is up to the Europeans. We will certainly support using the IMF in these circumstances."

"There are obviously some severe market problems," said the official, speaking on condition of anonymity. "In May, it was Greece. This is Ireland and Portugal. If there is contagion that's a huge problem for the global economy."

The remarks foreshadow a visit to Europe this week by a U.S. Treasury envoy who is expected to visit Berlin, Madrid and Paris to hold talks on the ramifications of the debt crisis.

(Another news report, however, raised questions about the true extent of the US commitment. Read more here).

The developments have echoes of the pressure applied by Washington on European capitals last May to create the near $1 trillion EFSF safety net that was last week used to rescue Ireland after its banking crisis spiraled out of control.

The IMF, whose biggest single shareholder is the United States, has committed 250 billion euros to the EFSF.

While reluctant to dictate to Europe how it should address the unfolding debt crisis, the U.S. government is growing concerned about the global fallout of Europe's predicament.

U.S. Treasurys' prices fell and the euro strengthened against the dollar on Wednesday after the news that the United States would be prepared to support an enlarged EFSF.

Germany, whose leaders have expressed frustration at the market backlash against their plans to solve the euro zone's debt problems, does not want to make the stability fund larger.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/40454469

Garcia Bronco
12-01-2010, 01:39 PM
The word "again" is missing from your title.

Rohirrim
12-01-2010, 02:19 PM
Whatever is best for Wall Street.

Rigs11
12-01-2010, 02:40 PM
yeah but no money for you lazy middle class folks! :~ohyah!:

epicSocialism4tw
12-01-2010, 02:45 PM
We shouldnt spend another dollar over there.

Let them sort out their own mess.

mhgaffney
12-01-2010, 04:13 PM
The financial world is a big Ponzi scheme.

If one nation in Europe says "No!" we ain't doing a bail out -- the whole house of cards could come crashing down around the ears of the banksters.

It may yet happen in Ireland. If the present government falls -- and there are new elections. The Irish people may elect new leaders committed to reversing the bail out deal -- killing it.

Then it will get really interesting.

MHG

kappys
12-02-2010, 05:41 PM
The financial world is a big Ponzi scheme.

If one nation in Europe says "No!" we ain't doing a bail out -- the whole house of cards could come crashing down around the ears of the banksters.

It may yet happen in Ireland. If the present government falls -- and there are new elections. The Irish people may elect new leaders committed to reversing the bail out deal -- killing it.

Then it will get really interesting.

MHG

It would seem they won't have the chance - pretty clear that the current government is going to pass their bailout come hell or highwater before new elections.

orinjkrush
12-02-2010, 05:50 PM
just say no. reaganomics at its best.

mhgaffney
12-02-2010, 09:22 PM
The Irish case could produce surprises.

The reason? The bail out will involve raiding the Irish equivalent of our Social Security. The Irish people are very angry about this -- and rightly view it as a betrayal.

Which is why -- even if the current government agrees to the bail out -- they may not have the final word.

The outcome will determine if Ireland is to be a nation of paupers -- or freemen.

If Ireland ultimately rejects the bail out -- will the European banking system unravel?

MHG

JJJ
12-02-2010, 10:24 PM
just say no. reaganomics at its best.

Do explain.

orinjkrush
12-03-2010, 06:20 PM
"just say no" of course was Nancy's mantra. it was arguably effective with the anti drug message.

bank bailouts is like monetary drug dealing. we need banksters to kick their coke habit. (just say no.)

lets see how iceland makes out. they said no to banksters.

it may turn out that the "need" for bank bailouts is a greater sham than global warming.

gyldenlove
12-03-2010, 07:12 PM
Bank bailouts didn't help in Japan, they have been through 3 rounds of bailouts and the banks are not getting it. Let the **** fall and then pick up the pieces.

TailgateNut
12-03-2010, 09:19 PM
Bank bailouts didn't help in Japan, they have been through 3 rounds of bailouts and the banks are not getting it. Let the **** fall and then pick up the pieces.

No, let them fall and sweep up the remains and toss them in the trash heap.


Birds of a feather kinda thing, if you know what I mean.

Atwater 27
12-04-2010, 06:10 PM
Oh Noes! European Socialism is FAILING! Quick Barry, bail em out so this country's attempt at socialism isn't exposed as the scam it is!

JJJ
12-04-2010, 11:33 PM
"just say no" of course was Nancy's mantra. it was arguably effective with the anti drug message.

bank bailouts is like monetary drug dealing. we need banksters to kick their coke habit. (just say no.)

lets see how iceland makes out. they said no to banksters.

it may turn out that the "need" for bank bailouts is a greater sham than global warming.

I got the Nancy reference. My comment was referring to how you could say what is going on in Europe is somehow Reaganomics.

orinjkrush
12-05-2010, 05:59 PM
I got the Nancy reference. My comment was referring to how you could say what is going on in Europe is somehow Reaganomics.

yeah, i was just trying to make the inference that bailouts, or these species of corporate welfare, are really just bankers' addictions and that Nancy Reaganomics of saying no, might actually be helpful here.

i think Europe is trying several different approaches (Iceland vs Ireland vs Germany vs Greece). Maybe one will work. Please let one work, without my sacrificing my puny savings and earnings to the Fed's secret shananigans.

mhgaffney
12-05-2010, 08:57 PM
Oh Noes! European Socialism is FAILING! Quick Barry, bail em out so this country's attempt at socialism isn't exposed as the scam it is!

No. It has nothing to do with socialism.

The mistake the European banks made was to follow the lead of the Brits and Americans.

They created a bubble -- and it popped.

Atwater 27
12-12-2010, 05:11 PM
No. It has nothing to do with socialism.

The mistake the European banks made was to follow the lead of the Brits and Americans.

They created a bubble -- and it popped.

You keep on telling yourself that. What we are witnessing in Europe and here is the biggest expose' of the sham known as socialism in the history of socialism.