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Rock Chalk
11-30-2010, 05:27 PM
I don't start many threads here, and when I do they are generally to address the board in general, wishing happy thanksgivings and such and this one is no different. THis is a general plea to my fellow Bronco fans, please take the time to read it all.

Why are you all so mad? The Broncos are not very good, but you have no control over this, so why are you getting upset? Why are you people hating one another so vehemently over something that you could not possibly have any impact on?

Further, if you are so mad at this game, and this team, and this organization, why do you continue to watch? As a mad consumer, I refuse to give my business to companies who I deem to have done something that was against my wishes. It is the only way to hurt that company, so if you continue to watch a product you are not pleased with, that makes you, well, stupid. I don't mean to say that you are stupid people who continue to watch, but that you have made a stupid decision.

Also, if you are that emotional over a game, perhaps its time you step back and re-evaluate what is important in your life yes? There was a time when I came to the orange mane to talk about the Broncos with intelligent people. We would argue sure, but the level of hatred that is seen now was not there. Even during the Griese era which at the time I thought would be the most divisive thing in Bronco Country in my life time (silly me, that was tame to what was to follow). Now however, when I come here to the Orange Mane, a part of me dreads it. I keep hoping to find some of the magic that made this place great still lurking and, from time to time I do still find it, but it gets hidden by trolls. Not rival fan trolls, but our own Bronco kindred. Hating everything about the team - which is fine, though it makes me wonder what kind of person hates the team they root for but whatever - and hating other Bronco fans for disagreeing with them.

Seriously, I am pleading with you people, be rational, for one week. Have civil arguments and disagreements. Keep your cool. Talk football, analyze the problems AND the things that are working. Not everything on this team - or any team for that matter - is broken. There are some bright spots. I realize that many of you do not wish to see it, but for those that do, could you allow them to discuss it without being a nasty little twerp? And vice versa, for those that wish to discuss the merits of what is wrong, can those that only see a bright sunny future of this franchise please leave them to it? Perhaps, like in life, its best to avoid those that are different from you if you cannot get along, instead of trolling every thread and picking any fight you can.

I love this place, I have been a member here for 10 years and I have seen a great many changes take place. Good and bad. I have seen good posters come and go, and I have seen what used to be good posters turned into trolling troglodytes because they are incapable of accepting the fact that others have an opinion differing from their own. Before anyone decides "Hey **** you Alec/Rock Chalk/Adam, you are among the worst offenders" I conceed that, and allude to the fact that I too am part of that problem.

I dont mean for it to be all hunky dory and spring meadows in here, but the incessant trolling of both sides of any argument are becoming problematic and pushing this board to a place none of us want it to go. This USED to be the best place on the web for Broncos discussion. That time is now gone. Other sites have surpassed this place. I dont have the energy to invest into another community so Im stuck with this one and if it means I have to change my ways in the hopes of others changing theirs, then I will do that, because this is home for me and I dont want to live in a pig sty.

I know many of you will scoff at this, most probably won't even get to this part of the post. I hope you do, and I hope you stop and think about what you do here. This is our community and we need to self police it, clean it up. Our moderators are worthless, and that's no offense to them, they should not have to be baby sitters for us. We need to as a group, be a little more patient with each other, and a little less quick to insult one another...all of us. If you read this far, thank you, and please give it some thought.

lostknight
11-30-2010, 05:28 PM
This

baja
11-30-2010, 05:38 PM
Ya it's time for all of us to lighten us and I mean you ass _ hole. ;D

DomCasual
11-30-2010, 05:38 PM
Long post is long.

:giggle:

HooptyHoops
11-30-2010, 05:39 PM
Rock on Rock Chalk!

baja
11-30-2010, 05:40 PM
Seriously Adam nice thoughts I will pitch in and help too.

Rock Chalk
11-30-2010, 05:41 PM
Long post is long.

:giggle:

Like my schlong...oh wait, clean it up :)

strafen
11-30-2010, 05:43 PM
Thanks for the post man.
I totally understand it...

spdirty
11-30-2010, 05:43 PM
The divisiveness will stop when the team is headed in the right direction and the product on the field improves.

Most of us are in shock right now, as we have never seen the team in this state, and for those who have, its been 40 years.

vancejohnson82
11-30-2010, 05:45 PM
I agree with this completely....I think with a lot of us its frustration, and not neccessarily anger.

The same arguments creep into every thread and it quickly dissolves. The hatred for McD is obviously the catalyst and its never going to stop. Listen, we all agree that there are a TON of problems with this team, and I would love it if we can talk about each one of them in different threads without the head coaching situation being brought up every single time. Obviously, he could be the problem and I think a lot of us are saying that he's screwed up a few things to a lot of things. If I had it my way every time threads started to dissolve into McPoopyPants vs. McD Followers the thread would be shut down. That can't happen though because there won't be a single thread left.

I also find it interesting that you can't say something about someone's family but you can call people gay in every other line.

theAPAOps5
11-30-2010, 05:45 PM
Preach it Rock Chalk.

Requiem
11-30-2010, 05:47 PM
40 years? Hardly.

milehighJC
11-30-2010, 05:48 PM
I wont say much here... Ive been a member here for a while too. I used to come here to read a lot... I learned a few things, and laughed a lot. I posted a little.

For what its worth, I've come here a lot this season, but more often than not, I read a few posts into a thread, then just close my browser. Im just not interested in watching people throw insults at each other. I am interested in whats happening to and with the Broncos. There still is a lot of insightful content here, its just buried in the BS. So I look for it, sometimes find it, but mostly not.

I still watch the Broncos every week, and for half of the home games I scream my fool head of in section 510. (BTW, KC was as much fun as I've had in a while). The current state of the team is not good. It will eventually get better. Trust me, even in their current state, things are better with the Broncos than the team I grew up with (I grew up in central Ohio, and went to school in Cincinnati. Go figure).

I used to think I wanted to find the OM crowd at a tailgate. I make a pretty mean green chile, but if the tailgate even slightly resembles the discourse here, I think Ill just wait for better days, and just go find my seat.

Count mine as a vote to tone it down too... but each to their own.

jc

TheReverend
11-30-2010, 05:51 PM
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Rock Chalk
11-30-2010, 05:51 PM
The divisiveness will stop when the team is headed in the right direction and the product on the field improves.

Most of us are in shock right now, as we have never seen the team in this state, and for those who have, its been 40 years.

The year after Elway left the state of the Broncos was pretty bad man. The reason it doesnt seem like it was because we still had Shanahan which had yet to prove he couldn't do anything without a legend at QB and we just won a superbowl so euphoria overwhelmed the shock factor.

This season is a result of several mistakes by the coaches, players and a lot of bad luck. Parity keeps things in perspective though. In a single season we can turn this around. There is not much separating winning teams from losing ones. The Jets, for example, could and probably should have lost 4 of the games they won, but they had some good fortune and lucky breaks on their side this year. We could and probably should have won at least 2, maybe even 3 of the games we lost.

Im not saying everything is fine, it certainly isn't, but I also see that things are not nearly as bad as they look on the surface. Does anyone think Sanchez, Bradford, or Garrard have all day to throw on us if Dumervil is healthy? No, probably not. We win those games. With the exception of the Raider fiasco, we have been pretty competetitve in games this year. We gotta find a way to win is all.

Injuries, inexperience at the coaching ranks and a score of bad bounces have left us where we are. Mad at each other.

Kaylore
11-30-2010, 05:55 PM
Thanks for posting this. I said something similar in another thread. It's a game we watch on TV one day a week for five months and change. It's not worth getting so angry over.

Los Broncos
11-30-2010, 05:55 PM
Good thoughts, I appreciate the time it took to type it up.

Just have to take this team for what it is, nothing you can say or do will change it.

Just stick it out till things get fixed.

Popps
11-30-2010, 05:57 PM
The divisiveness will stop when the team is headed in the right direction

Problem is, there are multiple opinions on what the "right" direction is.

Yes, winning is the ultimate goal, but there are many ways to get there, and some people seem more interested in venting and attacking rather than being fair enough to weigh the negative with the positive.

This is a rough season. Those happen to sports teams.

Broncos fans need to suck it up and have a little faith in this great franchise.

WABronco
11-30-2010, 06:02 PM
/rolls eyes

Why can't we just all get along? Because, we're human. It's too easy to talk about sports on a fan board when things are going well, anyways.

Ratboy
11-30-2010, 06:02 PM
tldr

Taco John
11-30-2010, 06:03 PM
Mock is dead, and Alec is posting "voice of reason" style posts that contain no swear words.

I'm heading for the bunker before the scorpion locusts start swarming.

Rock Chalk
11-30-2010, 06:03 PM
/rolls eyes

Why can't we just all get along? Because, we're human. It's too easy to talk about sports on a fan board when things are going well, anyways.

Yeah Im not talking about getting along, Im not a dreamer. Im talking about toning it down. But whatever, if you can't respect that then you can't respect that.

orinjkrush
11-30-2010, 06:04 PM
good post you dumb ****ing ass kissing *** boy humper **** eating ****weed.

umm, did that bleep out?

Ratboy
11-30-2010, 06:04 PM
We're 3-8, who can get angry anymore?

I am at the point of laughter when the Broncos play.

frerottenextelway
11-30-2010, 06:09 PM
The OrangeMane mascot:

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rugbythug
11-30-2010, 06:10 PM
I cry when they play.

crush17
11-30-2010, 06:12 PM
Excellent post, Rock Chalk.

It sums up exactly how I've been feeling as well. I absolutely dread coming to the OMane after losses, and this season has seen a lot of them. I didn't read one thread or look at this website for the entire week after the SD loss because I knew what I'd see. I came to read after the STL loss this week because at least the Broncos made a game of it. I regret that I did because this place is horrendous right now.

If any of you want to see what civil discussion looks like, try reading the fanposts on www.milehighreport.com

Everyone is allowed to voice exactly how they feel about this team, analyze what's wrong and what's right, and everyone does it like adults.

This place has lost its way. There are too many extremes one way or another, and those people drive away the intelligent discussions and intelligent posters.

I hope people really take some time to think about this and try not to get so hyper involved in this thing that they have absolutely zero control over.

Bronco Yoda
11-30-2010, 06:16 PM
Alec has banner powers? How's he still pulling this off?

We must destroy him...

NUB
11-30-2010, 06:24 PM
I like watching the chaos.

epicSocialism4tw
11-30-2010, 06:29 PM
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!1!!!!
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Blueflame
11-30-2010, 06:40 PM
Can't disagree with most of your post... but why the gratuitous slap at the mods? ???

:moon:

Rock Chalk
11-30-2010, 06:46 PM
Can't disagree with most of your post... but why the gratuitous slap at the mods? ???

:moon:

It wasnt meant as one. You guys have no real power and let's face it Blue, you have lives outside of here, why bother babysitting? I certainly wouldn't.

Bronco Rob
11-30-2010, 06:48 PM
Why are you all so mad?

for but whatever - and hating other Bronco fans for disagreeing with them.

Seriously, I am pleading with you people, be rational,


McDaniels has Orton's... 11-21-2010 04:34 PM Rock Chalk Stop posting whole articles dip****.

Dude, seriously, stop posting the entire ****ing article. If you can't follow simple ****ing directions you should be banned.


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:thumbs:

Rock Chalk
11-30-2010, 06:51 PM
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:thumbs:

Before anyone decides "Hey **** you Alec/Rock Chalk/Adam, you are among the worst offenders" I conceed that, and allude to the fact that I too am part of that problem.

I pointed this out.

Dagmar
11-30-2010, 06:56 PM
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;)

Just kidding, great post bro.

frerottenextelway
11-30-2010, 07:00 PM
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Bronco Rob
11-30-2010, 07:01 PM
I pointed this out.



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:thumbs: G0 BR0NC0S!

broncswin
11-30-2010, 07:02 PM
Great Post Bro

DHallblows
11-30-2010, 07:41 PM
I'd like to begin by stating that I thoroughly approve of this thread and support it. I'm glad someone can put my feelings into a post like that :thumbs:

However, I really feel it necessary to post this due to the title:


CANNONBALL!!!
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Bronc62
11-30-2010, 07:45 PM
FYI a lot of once good message boards are being infiltrated by flaming juvenile morons who don't have the sports perspective that you do. I see it over at the Rockies #1 board, Purple Row. I bet you are over 50 (like me).

epicSocialism4tw
11-30-2010, 07:54 PM
I don't start many threads here, and when I do they are generally to address the board in general, wishing happy thanksgivings and such and this one is no different. THis is a general plea to my fellow Bronc...

Blibbidy blibbidy blah blah blaaaaaah

....you stop and think about what you do here. This is our community and we need to self police it, clean it up. Our moderators are worthless, and that's no offense to them, they should not have to be baby sitters for us. We need to as a group, be a little more patient with each other, and a little less quick to insult one another...all of us. If you read this far, thank you, and please give it some thought.

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Taco John
11-30-2010, 07:59 PM
Message boards have a tendency to get younger and younger as the years go by. Young guys talk too much, and listen too little.

I got a neg rep from someone because I didn't jump in here and take this "golden opportunity" to proselytize on Alec's theme. I'm not sure what the point of that would be. Alec made the point. The mods aren't meant to be baby sitters here. We're here to draw boundaries and penalize people when they cross the lines. If people want to bicker with eachother, I say hallelujah have at it. Everyone here carves their own experience based on who and what they pay attention to. If you want to sit here and argue with every last person who calls you a moron, you'll find a neverending line of people willing to take you up on it. If you want to find people to discuss football with, it's quite simple: you discuss football with them.

I don't get wrapped up in all the "this place isn't what it used to be" drama. This place is what it always has been. It's the people who have changed. That's the perogative of time, and I'm not losing any sleep wondering how to make everybody happy. I'm not wringing my hands wondering how I can make strafen and dagmar buddies. Nor did I wring my hands wondering how I could make Gonzolays and Slap pals back in the day.

Rohirrim
11-30-2010, 08:01 PM
Mock is dead, and Alec is posting "voice of reason" style posts that contain no swear words.

I'm heading for the bunker before the scorpion locusts start swarming.

No ****. I'm heading for the bunker.

Dagmar
11-30-2010, 08:03 PM
Must you bring me up?

Taco John
11-30-2010, 08:05 PM
Must you bring me up?

You guys make yourselves easy targets by being the two guys who complain the most to me about the other. Admittedly, you both have stopped complaining to me so much lately, but it's what came to mind.

Taco John
11-30-2010, 08:06 PM
Message boards have a tendency to get younger and younger as the years go by. Young guys talk too much, and listen too little.

I got a neg rep from someone because I didn't jump in here and take this "golden opportunity" to proselytize on Alec's theme. I'm not sure what the point of that would be. Alec made the point. The mods aren't meant to be baby sitters here. We're here to draw boundaries and penalize people when they cross the lines. If people want to bicker with eachother, I say hallelujah have at it. Everyone here carves their own experience based on who and what they pay attention to. If you want to sit here and argue with every last person who calls you a moron, you'll find a neverending line of people willing to take you up on it. If you want to find people to discuss football with, it's quite simple: you discuss football with them.

I don't get wrapped up in all the "this place isn't what it used to be" drama. This place is what it always has been. It's the people who have changed. That's the perogative of time, and I'm not losing any sleep wondering how to make everybody happy. I'm not wringing my hands wondering how I can make strafen and dagmar buddies. Nor did I wring my hands wondering how I could make Gonzolays and Slap pals back in the day.



LOL! I just got neg rep for this post: "Too long. Would have positive repped if you had just said 'Fire McDaniels."

:rofl:

Dagmar
11-30-2010, 08:08 PM
I stopped complaining when it was made clear that gay bashing was ok here. I also gave engaging you in a joking or even jovial manner, to which you've continued your way with me. I've apologised plenty TJ and shan't anymore. Sorry. Dammit.

Rock Chalk
11-30-2010, 08:11 PM
FYI a lot of once good message boards are being infiltrated by flaming juvenile morons who don't have the sports perspective that you do. I see it over at the Rockies #1 board, Purple Row. I bet you are over 50 (like me).

Damn, I sound 50? Crap man Im only 34!

The Joker
11-30-2010, 08:21 PM
Great post, sums up my feelings on things.

It'll never happen though, realistically. Maybe when the place quietens down a bit in the offseason things will pick up again in terms of good football discussion.

epicSocialism4tw
11-30-2010, 08:23 PM
Great post, sums up my feelings on things.

It'll never happen though, realistically. Maybe when the place quietens down a bit in the offseason things will pick up again in terms of good football discussion.

It would be alot better here if people just quit trying to tell other people what to think and which opinions to have.

The same thing happened during the Plummer years here.

If people would just talk about what they wanted to talk about instead of getting snagged by the trolls, they would enjoy their talk much better.

ColoradoDarin
11-30-2010, 08:26 PM
If the mods won't ban trolls, put them on ignore (that's what it's there for). Additionally put anyone who continually quotes and argues with those same trolls on iggy as well. Make the board a lot nicer to me anyways. And I cut through the garbage and don't have to waste my time.

WABronco
11-30-2010, 08:30 PM
FYI a lot of once good message boards are being infiltrated by flaming juvenile morons who don't have the sports perspective that you do. I see it over at the Rockies #1 board, Purple Row. I bet you are over 50 (like me).

...that's just what happens these days fellas. I remember when SB Nation opened up the football side of things and I checked out MHR and started posting over there, mainly because of the quality of posters. But then they got infiltrated by retards, and now even their authors are nothing but homers trying to pull silver linings out of a pile of dog ****. More traffic=**** going down.

To be honest, the only problem I see is the inability of some to segregate the real TROLLS from those who are just dissenters. Being pissed off and angry at losing and watching the coach shrug shoulders and fidget and videotaping opposing team's walkthroughs doesn't make one a troll. It boggles the mind watching the certain few around here who actually rattle off pages debating the REAL TROLLS. And then the fact that some here need to get a grip and realize that they are in fact typing on the internet. Don't get so mad, kids.

theAPAOps5
11-30-2010, 08:35 PM
Mock is dead, and Alec is posting "voice of reason" style posts that contain no swear words.

I'm heading for the bunker before the scorpion locusts start swarming.

My thoughts exactly, I just came back up to see what the end times looked like!

Taco John
11-30-2010, 08:40 PM
My thoughts exactly, I just came back up to see what the end times looked like!

Don't get me wrong. I think it's great. Alec struck on the theme I've been trying to get across for ten years. I wouldn't say the mods are worthless, and neither would others if they took a look at the ban list and the reasons for the bannings. But mods are not here to babysit and make people play nice nice. Ya'll some big boys.

theAPAOps5
11-30-2010, 08:42 PM
Oh yeah I agree I was more referring to Alec being nice, and the unfortunate passing of Mock and the amazing heartfelt thoughts left on his behalf. 13 pages no arguments.

/running back to shelter! :)

Its a nice change.

Mr. Elway
11-30-2010, 08:43 PM
The entire problem could be solved by banning like 5 people. There's no getting irrational, hostile people to be "reasonable."

Do it!!

Chris
11-30-2010, 08:46 PM
Agree. I will continue to make random absurd posts but I struggle to find the energy to share my football takes. I should try to make more of an effort. The more football takes the better. Drown out the trolls with reason.

baja
11-30-2010, 08:55 PM
I stopped complaining when it was made clear that gay bashing was ok here. I also gave engaging you in a joking or even jovial manner, to which you've continued your way with me. I've apologised plenty TJ and shan't anymore. Sorry. Dammit.

You got to be the biggest ass hat here. Mock had you pegged.

Dukes
11-30-2010, 09:07 PM
You know this site is bad when the only topics I read anymore are the OT ones and the Bye week had the best threads. People definitely need to lighten up. Good post Adam.

Broncoman13
11-30-2010, 09:07 PM
HI wont say much here... Ive been a member here for a while too. I used to come here to read a lot... I learned a few things, and laughed a lot. I posted a little.

For what its worth, I've come here a lot this season, but more often than not, I read a few posts into a thread, then just close my browser. Im just not interested in watching people throw insults at each other. I am interested in whats happening to and with the Broncos. There still is a lot of insightful content here, its just buried in the BS. So I look for it, sometimes find it, but mostly not.

I still watch the Broncos every week, and for half of the home games I scream my fool head of in section 510. (BTW, KC was as much fun as I've had in a while). The current state of the team is not good. It will eventually get better. Trust me, even in their current state, things are better with the Broncos than the team I grew up with (I grew up in central Ohio, and went to school in Cincinnati. Go figure).

I used to think I wanted to find the OM crowd at a tailgate. I make a pretty mean green chile, but if the tailgate even slightly resembles the discourse here, I think Ill just wait for better days, and just go find my seat.

Count mine as a vote to tone it down too... but each to their own.

jc

It just depends on how you find to hang out with. Guys like TailGateNut and Meck will cheer their asses off, put up a great spread before the game, cheer their asses off during the game and then come back and post on the OM what a frustrating time it can be at a Broncos game. I don't agree with everything they say, and I know that they don't agree with everything I say (I am pro Tewbow ;))... but you won't see people like us being disrespectful of each other. We've spent time together, ate great cajun food together, and watched many a game at =nvesco together. There is a trust between us and even if I Like tebow and TGN does not, we can post, disagree and let it be. He isn't gonna go chasibg me through a bunch of threads saying that my opinion suck. Nor would I do that to him. I think that trust was started by meeting up with guys at Broncos games, so if you have the opportunity to meet some fellow maners, you should take it!

As for the real issue... too many fans that cannot accept that other fans have a different opinion. I try to be as open as possible, but it really gets my goat when I go onto a thread and there are 10 different pictures or tiffs or giffs or whaever they're called, they are intended to poke fun at someone. But I don't say anything b/c I don't want that little crew stocking my posts!

Archer81
11-30-2010, 09:13 PM
None of this would have happened if the boob mojo thread was not sent to the butt.

(A sentence I never would have considered saying a few years ago...)


:Broncos:

baja
11-30-2010, 09:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by McDagmar
I stopped complaining when it was made clear that gay bashing was ok here. I also gave engaging you in a joking or even jovial manner, to which you've continued your way with me. I've apologised plenty TJ and shan't anymore. Sorry. Dammit.



You got to be the biggest ass hat here. Mock had you pegged.




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Hey Adam it's working I just got a nice rep from Homer Simpson who is probably really Dagmar, check it out;



Homer Simpson - What a weak ass loser you are. I would rather step in dog shiit than encounter you. I spit in your face and slap you when you whine about it. etc etc c u n t

milehighJC
11-30-2010, 09:27 PM
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It just depends on how you find to hang out with. Guys like TailGateNut and Meck will cheer their asses off, put up a great spread before the game, cheer their asses off during the game and then come back and post on the OM what a frustrating time it can be at a Broncos game. I don't agree with everything they say, and I know that they don't agree with everything I say (I am pro Tewbow ;))... but you won't see people like us being disrespectful of each other. We've spent time together, ate great cajun food together, and watched many a game at =nvesco together. There is a trust between us and even if I Like tebow and TGN does not, we can post, disagree and let it be. He isn't gonna go chasibg me through a bunch of threads saying that my opinion suck. Nor would I do that to him. I think that trust was started by meeting up with guys at Broncos games, so if you have the opportunity to meet some fellow maners, you should take it!

As for the real issue... too many fans that cannot accept that other fans have a different opinion. I try to be as open as possible, but it really gets my goat when I go onto a thread and there are 10 different pictures or tiffs or giffs or whaever they're called, they are intended to poke fun at someone. But I don't say anything b/c I don't want that little crew stocking my posts!

Good point. Im fine with disagreements... If I only talked to people who agree with me, I would never learn anything new, and life would be pretty boring. But its possible to disagree without being disagreeable. In fact, I think it can be a lot of fun, I love a good debate. What I dont enjoy is the name calling and personal attacks. I dont begrudge those who want to, and seem to enjoy it for sport, but I just choose not to spend my time reading it.

I actually feel pretty lucky this year, I did not have the Oakland game (I usually pick that one). I did have the Seahawks, Jets, and KC game, and sadly, that will be it for me this year.

Maybe next year Ill try to find the Maners before the game - bring some good eats and cold drinks and see how it goes. We ALL should be in a better mood at the beginning of next season...

jc

Homer Simpson
11-30-2010, 09:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by McDagmar
I stopped complaining when it was made clear that gay bashing was ok here. I also gave engaging you in a joking or even jovial manner, to which you've continued your way with me. I've apologised plenty TJ and shan't anymore. Sorry. Dammit.








__________________________________________________ ____

Hey Adam it's working I just got a nice rep from Homer Simpson who is probably really Dagmar, check it out;

Baja, I quoted the Private message, one of three you sent me, to show you that you calling other people ass hats seemed a bit disingenuous.

I did it via rep as to not put it in this thread.

baja
11-30-2010, 09:44 PM
Baja, I quoted the Private message, one of three you sent me, to show you that you calling other people ass hats seemed a bit disingenuous.

I did it via rep as to not put it in this thread.

Are trying to say I wrote that disgusting neg rep that you sent me?

I'll just put you and Dagmar (probably the same person) on ignore and let TJ figure it out if he wants to. All he has to do is read you and Dagmar's back to back rep comments from this very thread to sort it out. bye now.

Broncoman13
11-30-2010, 09:47 PM
No maybe about it, you gave to find TGN and introduce yourself! TGN is whats good about all of football. Diehard fan that puts out a lot for other fans so they may enjoy the game as much as he does. It's no wonder he gets so frustrated with the fans at Invesco. Not because he isn't capable of understanding someone's views bit b/c they are incapable of understanding his dedication to the orange n blue. Players and coaches be damned, he is gonna route for the Orange n Blue thru thick and thin.

The real issue a lot of people struggle to understand on the OM... There are actual people behind the words. It's easy to call BMan a douche bag but you have no idea what he is like in real life. The people that know me, disagree with my post all of the time...and I don't flame them for having a different opinion. Of course it is a little easier when you actually know the person behind the words. Nowdays, I just try to picture the person behind the words and realize that if they're looking for a fight Im not the guy that needs to engage. It has a lot to do with how you respond when you don't agree. Like you said, you don't have to be disagreeable, and you don't have to be jackass when you disagree with someone's perspective.

HAT
11-30-2010, 09:59 PM
You got to be the biggest ass hat here. Mock had you pegged.

Now, now....Don't go stealing dragster's pet name for me. :militia:

broncofan2438
11-30-2010, 10:00 PM
We're 3-8, who can get angry anymore?

I am at the point of laughter when the Broncos play.

This exactly.

Its just hard when we wait all offseason and now this. Makes for a hard year of football.

doonwise
11-30-2010, 10:05 PM
Dammit, 30,000 post rule!!
Well said Alec. This used to be a place where we could learn about football. Now I go to other places to learn and use this one to gauge the general emotional state of the fanbase.

broncswin
11-30-2010, 10:45 PM
losers for neg repping on TJ

colonelbeef
11-30-2010, 11:05 PM
I can appreciate the sentiment rock chalk, but unfortunately the current HC seems to be just that polarizing, both inside and outside of the organization. Therefore it follows that the discourse will be equally polarizing until he is relieved of his duties, or he magically puts together a competent football team- something he seems incapable of currently..

Taco John
11-30-2010, 11:07 PM
losers for neg repping on TJ


I think that was all mostly in good fun. I can take a joke. :)

Miss I.
11-30-2010, 11:17 PM
Excellent post. I agree with your take. While I understand the frustration level, there is NO excuse good enough to justify the extreme rudeness and name calling many posters have stooped to. If someone is being a jerk, report em, ignore em, but stop feeding them whatever you do. When someone gives you ****, don't throw it back, step over it and ignore them. Continue responding in an relatively intelligent manner or continue joking as some threads are intended to be irreverent. But as adults, as at least most of us claim to be, we can be better than this. We can be better than sinking to the level of school yard children.

At any rate, thank you Alec/RockChalk/Adam. Well said sir.

SoCalBronco
11-30-2010, 11:25 PM
I don't start many threads here, and when I do they are generally to address the board in general, wishing happy thanksgivings and such and this one is no different. THis is a general plea to my fellow Bronco fans, please take the time to read it all.

Why are you all so mad? The Broncos are not very good, but you have no control over this, so why are you getting upset? Why are you people hating one another so vehemently over something that you could not possibly have any impact on?

Further, if you are so mad at this game, and this team, and this organization, why do you continue to watch? As a mad consumer, I refuse to give my business to companies who I deem to have done something that was against my wishes. It is the only way to hurt that company, so if you continue to watch a product you are not pleased with, that makes you, well, stupid. I don't mean to say that you are stupid people who continue to watch, but that you have made a stupid decision.

Also, if you are that emotional over a game, perhaps its time you step back and re-evaluate what is important in your life yes? There was a time when I came to the orange mane to talk about the Broncos with intelligent people. We would argue sure, but the level of hatred that is seen now was not there. Even during the Griese era which at the time I thought would be the most divisive thing in Bronco Country in my life time (silly me, that was tame to what was to follow). Now however, when I come here to the Orange Mane, a part of me dreads it. I keep hoping to find some of the magic that made this place great still lurking and, from time to time I do still find it, but it gets hidden by trolls. Not rival fan trolls, but our own Bronco kindred. Hating everything about the team - which is fine, though it makes me wonder what kind of person hates the team they root for but whatever - and hating other Bronco fans for disagreeing with them.

Seriously, I am pleading with you people, be rational, for one week. Have civil arguments and disagreements. Keep your cool. Talk football, analyze the problems AND the things that are working. Not everything on this team - or any team for that matter - is broken. There are some bright spots. I realize that many of you do not wish to see it, but for those that do, could you allow them to discuss it without being a nasty little twerp? And vice versa, for those that wish to discuss the merits of what is wrong, can those that only see a bright sunny future of this franchise please leave them to it? Perhaps, like in life, its best to avoid those that are different from you if you cannot get along, instead of trolling every thread and picking any fight you can.

I love this place, I have been a member here for 10 years and I have seen a great many changes take place. Good and bad. I have seen good posters come and go, and I have seen what used to be good posters turned into trolling troglodytes because they are incapable of accepting the fact that others have an opinion differing from their own. Before anyone decides "Hey **** you Alec/Rock Chalk/Adam, you are among the worst offenders" I conceed that, and allude to the fact that I too am part of that problem.

I dont mean for it to be all hunky dory and spring meadows in here, but the incessant trolling of both sides of any argument are becoming problematic and pushing this board to a place none of us want it to go. This USED to be the best place on the web for Broncos discussion. That time is now gone. Other sites have surpassed this place. I dont have the energy to invest into another community so Im stuck with this one and if it means I have to change my ways in the hopes of others changing theirs, then I will do that, because this is home for me and I dont want to live in a pig sty.

I know many of you will scoff at this, most probably won't even get to this part of the post. I hope you do, and I hope you stop and think about what you do here. This is our community and we need to self police it, clean it up. Our moderators are worthless, and that's no offense to them, they should not have to be baby sitters for us. We need to as a group, be a little more patient with each other, and a little less quick to insult one another...all of us. If you read this far, thank you, and please give it some thought.

The emotion is an important element of all of this. Certainly, if people didn't feel so strongly about this team, we wouldn't have several posters with over 20k posts. There are many here (myself included) who devote abnormally high portions of their lives to this board. Naturally, they are going to get REALLY into it. Sometimes that reflects itself in a pleasant way in the sense that this board became known quite quickly as the gold standard of Broncos discussion. People knew there were a bunch of HARDCORE maniacs here who actually got into excrutiating detail about this team. There's alot of people that came here either as casual fans or newbies/team site folks and over time (arguably) became very, very knowledgeable about the Broncos or the NFL or both, because they became ingratiated into the culture of the site and the expectation that if you were going to regularly give takes you better be sure you got up to speed on facts and details and weren't just saying shallow crap.

On the other hand, the hardcore element of all this can manifest itself in the way that Alec is talking about...i.e. discourse becomes extremely uncivil. It is very hard to keep things cool and perfectly logical anytime you are talking about something that is very important to you and when you have a very strong opinion on the topic. Alot of us here have developed strong opinions and we obviously care a great deal since we're here all the time. Certainly, I can agree that posts that are nothing but hateful, personal rants are distasteful, but calling someone a dumbass or a moron as part of exposing what someone might think is hypocrisy or bias or whatever else is just part of this site. People put themselves out there and as they develop their biases sometimes take enjoyment out of seeing the other side of their argument show its failings in a clear way. Well...if you are going to do that (and I've done it)....when the tide turns, its going to get thrown back in your face and its going to be a bit more personal because that's the way it was the other way.

It's very difficult to really divorce the emotional aspect of it when its at least tangentially related to football issues. People are angry because they care. There used to be a time where I lived and died with every game. There were weeks when, no matter what else happened, I would be on a high after we won and there were weeks that I would be depressed for days on end if we lost no matter what good things were happening in my own life. Thankfully, it doesnt affect me that much anymore, either way. I still care a great deal, but I don't get the drug like high when we win and I am not literally in tears anymore when we lose. But I know the feeling and understand where it came from and why it was so important to me.

broncosteven
11-30-2010, 11:28 PM
I don't start many threads here, and when I do they are generally to address the board in general, wishing happy thanksgivings and such and this one is no different. THis is a general plea to my fellow Bronco fans, please take the time to read it all.

Why are you all so mad? The Broncos are not very good, but you have no control over this, so why are you getting upset? Why are you people hating one another so vehemently over something that you could not possibly have any impact on?

Further, if you are so mad at this game, and this team, and this organization, why do you continue to watch? As a mad consumer, I refuse to give my business to companies who I deem to have done something that was against my wishes. It is the only way to hurt that company, so if you continue to watch a product you are not pleased with, that makes you, well, stupid. I don't mean to say that you are stupid people who continue to watch, but that you have made a stupid decision.

Also, if you are that emotional over a game, perhaps its time you step back and re-evaluate what is important in your life yes? There was a time when I came to the orange mane to talk about the Broncos with intelligent people. We would argue sure, but the level of hatred that is seen now was not there. Even during the Griese era which at the time I thought would be the most divisive thing in Bronco Country in my life time (silly me, that was tame to what was to follow). Now however, when I come here to the Orange Mane, a part of me dreads it. I keep hoping to find some of the magic that made this place great still lurking and, from time to time I do still find it, but it gets hidden by trolls. Not rival fan trolls, but our own Bronco kindred. Hating everything about the team - which is fine, though it makes me wonder what kind of person hates the team they root for but whatever - and hating other Bronco fans for disagreeing with them.

Seriously, I am pleading with you people, be rational, for one week. Have civil arguments and disagreements. Keep your cool. Talk football, analyze the problems AND the things that are working. Not everything on this team - or any team for that matter - is broken. There are some bright spots. I realize that many of you do not wish to see it, but for those that do, could you allow them to discuss it without being a nasty little twerp? And vice versa, for those that wish to discuss the merits of what is wrong, can those that only see a bright sunny future of this franchise please leave them to it? Perhaps, like in life, its best to avoid those that are different from you if you cannot get along, instead of trolling every thread and picking any fight you can.

I love this place, I have been a member here for 10 years and I have seen a great many changes take place. Good and bad. I have seen good posters come and go, and I have seen what used to be good posters turned into trolling troglodytes because they are incapable of accepting the fact that others have an opinion differing from their own. Before anyone decides "Hey **** you Alec/Rock Chalk/Adam, you are among the worst offenders" I conceed that, and allude to the fact that I too am part of that problem.

I dont mean for it to be all hunky dory and spring meadows in here, but the incessant trolling of both sides of any argument are becoming problematic and pushing this board to a place none of us want it to go. This USED to be the best place on the web for Broncos discussion. That time is now gone. Other sites have surpassed this place. I dont have the energy to invest into another community so Im stuck with this one and if it means I have to change my ways in the hopes of others changing theirs, then I will do that, because this is home for me and I dont want to live in a pig sty.

I know many of you will scoff at this, most probably won't even get to this part of the post. I hope you do, and I hope you stop and think about what you do here. This is our community and we need to self police it, clean it up. Our moderators are worthless, and that's no offense to them, they should not have to be baby sitters for us. We need to as a group, be a little more patient with each other, and a little less quick to insult one another...all of us. If you read this far, thank you, and please give it some thought.

I was posting my opinion on why things were so bad with the organization before the Ram game and a couple of "Pro-mCd" posters jumped me and the thread degraded into them calling me names with lots of astericks in them.

I wrote back a clear, on topic, no name calling response and got rep from some 3rd party who saw the trend also. Anyway as the debate degraded all they could post were Internet Gif's like "Cool Starry Bra" among others that litter this site when posters can't find a solid retort to back up their points.

I have no problem calling the FO and Players silly names but I have decided to try to make this place better I am no longer calling OM Posters "stupid ****s" as a response to a debate in a thread.

I think poster to poster name calling is what is hurting this site the most. People need to take a step back from having to be right all the time and if your posting opinion and debating that opionion with someone else then rules of a good debate should apply and deteriorating into name calling, or worse, common re-cycled Internet pictures should be avoided.

Since then I have noticed that Popps and I have had some nice debates about issues related to the slide and what to do to fix it. I would almost count Popps as a friend now though I still think Mac's suck in general.

There are still the worst kind of trolls here, the trolls who troll their own fan base. They know who they are and they are on ignore until they prove they are no longer trolling the OM to fill a void in their lives and they are ready to debate what is wrong with Bronco football. These trolls are both "Pro - mCd" and "Anti-mCd" It is going to take a lot of proof that the "pro-mCd" troll has stopped trolling Bronco fans before I take him off ignore.

I think if we use the debate format and resist the temptation to call someone a ****ing douch bag, mother ****ing cock sucking a-hole in response to someone else's opinion this place might get better than the old days.

If this losing keeps up, the fan base is going to thin out which is good because us long timers should be able to setup a truce and allow each other to agree to disagree on topics and move on without all the lame internet gifs.

I am tired.

strafen
11-30-2010, 11:35 PM
I was posting my opinion on why things were so bad with the organization before the Ram game and a couple of "Pro-mCd" posters jumped me and the thread degraded into them calling me names with lots of astericks in them.

I wrote back a clear, on topic, no name calling response and got rep from some 3rd party who saw the trend also. Anyway as the debate degraded all they could post were Internet Gif's like "Cool Starry Bra" among others that litter this site when posters can't find a solid retort to back up their points.

I have no problem calling the FO and Players silly names but I have decided to try to make this place better I am no longer calling OM Posters "stupid ****s" as a response to a debate in a thread.

I think poster to poster name calling is what is hurting this site the most. People need to take a step back from having to be right all the time and if your posting opinion and debating that opionion with someone else then rules of a good debate should apply and deteriorating into name calling, or worse, common re-cycled Internet pictures should be avoided.

Since then I have noticed that Popps and I have had some nice debates about issues related to the slide and what to do to fix it. I would almost count Popps as a friend now though I still think Mac's suck in general.

There are still the worst kind of trolls here, the trolls who troll their own fan base. They know who they are and they are on ignore until they prove they are no longer trolling the OM to fill a void in their lives and they are ready to debate what is wrong with Bronco football. These trolls are both "Pro - mCd" and "Anti-mCd" It is going to take a lot of proof that the "pro-mCd" troll has stopped trolling Bronco fans before I take him off ignore.

I think if we use the debate format and resist the temptation to call someone a ****ing douch bag, mother ****ing cock sucking a-hole in response to someone else's opinion this place might get better than the old days.

If this losing keeps up, the fan base is going to thin out which is good because us long timers should be able to setup a truce and allow each other to agree to disagree on topics and move on without all the lame internet gifs.

I am tired.

Great post man.
You're certainly one of the few posters here whom I have great respect.
I've never had an issue with you, perhaps a minor disagreement at one point, if ever, but I do appreciate the class and good manners in which you handle yourself...

broncosteven
11-30-2010, 11:39 PM
It would be alot better here if people just quit trying to tell other people what to think and which opinions to have.

The same thing happened during the Plummer years here.

If people would just talk about what they wanted to talk about instead of getting snagged by the trolls, they would enjoy their talk much better.

It really is sad that there are Bronco fans who can't wait to setup a thread/poll, troll the thread then hook those with opposite opinions and mercilessly pound them for their Opinions and label those who still have the same opinon after the taunting "haters".

Some of us pointed out our fears for the club when mCd was hired and we were mocked and bashed then and still are despite a lot of our concerns coming true.

It should not be about right or wrong, this is the internets, if you make a mistake it is usually burried in a thread somewhere and if it is that bad you can delete it.

Have a conversation like you would at Tail-Gate and get to know the posters here before bashing them and lableing them "haters".

All we are saying is Give Peace a chance...

broncosteven
11-30-2010, 11:45 PM
Great post man.
You're certainly one of the few posters here whom I have great respect.
I've never had an issue with you, perhaps a minor disagreement at one point, if ever, but I do appreciate the class and good manners in which you handle yourself...

Disagreement is healty until the name calling starts.

I too may not agree with all your posts but I don't attack you.

I try to be light hearted and have fun here. If I post something I meant to be funny I usually rep one so they know what I am trying to do.

I agree with Alec, the name calling and gif stuff is passe.

We are old enough here to debate in a clear manner without throwing F this, F that, F you out all the time. I stopped saying F every other word when my kids were born, it got to the point where the word had no meaning, it was used in the same way people who have trouble speaking in public use the word "like". Like, ummmm, we are Like going to the ummmmm skate park to ummmmm like ummmm do this ****ing **** or like something...like you know.

epicSocialism4tw
11-30-2010, 11:47 PM
It really is sad that there are Bronco fans who can't wait to setup a thread/poll, troll the thread then hook those with opposite opinions and mercilessly pound them for their Opinions and label those who still have the same opinon after the taunting "haters".

Some of us pointed out our fears for the club when mCd was hired and we were mocked and bashed then and still are despite a lot of our concerns coming true.

It should not be about right or wrong, this is the internets, if you make a mistake it is usually burried in a thread somewhere and if it is that bad you can delete it.

Have a conversation like you would at Tail-Gate and get to know the posters here before bashing them and lableing them "haters".

All we are saying is Give Peace a chance...

Everybody's talkin bout bagism, shagism, dragism, madism, ragism, tagism, this-ism, that-ism, ism-ism-ism.

Killericon
12-01-2010, 01:03 AM
http://drunkenachura.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/internet-serious-business.jpg

TailgateNut
12-01-2010, 02:04 AM
It would be alot better here if people just quit trying to tell other people what to think and which opinions to have.

The same thing happened during the Plummer years here.

If people would just talk about what they wanted to talk about instead of getting snagged by the trolls, they would enjoy their talk much better.

Irony!

oubronco
12-01-2010, 06:09 AM
http://i580.photobucket.com/albums/ss243/harveymarks/633937296186711780-tldr1.jpg

How the heck are you supposed to read all that when your behind that butt :~ohyah!:

jhns
12-01-2010, 06:12 AM
Go **** yourself.

Sassy
12-01-2010, 06:19 AM
Another "inspiring" post by jhns.

Beantown Bronco
12-01-2010, 06:30 AM
Fire McDaniels. :)

SoDak Bronco
12-01-2010, 06:47 AM
I agree Alec, this place has gotten outta control. I was Neg Repped for jokingly saying I wished Kyle Orton would get a double ankle sprain, so we could see Tebow in real action Granted I was totally kidding, but no-one can even joke or be sarcastic anymore because everyone is all on edge. But just like in real life, when times get difficult you often see people's true colors. Some "fans" love to attack and go after people, I would love to see more football opinions and discussions without all the name calling and other BS.

SoDak Bronco
12-01-2010, 06:50 AM
How the heck are you supposed to read all that when your behind that butt :~ohyah!:

Tell her you are a really slow...slow..reader

bowtown
12-01-2010, 07:03 AM
I don't start many threads here, and when I do they are generally to address the board in general, wishing happy thanksgivings and such and this one is no different. THis is a general plea to my fellow Bronco fans, please take the time to read it all.

Why are you all so mad? The Broncos are not very good, but you have no control over this, so why are you getting upset? Why are you people hating one another so vehemently over something that you could not possibly have any impact on?

Further, if you are so mad at this game, and this team, and this organization, why do you continue to watch? As a mad consumer, I refuse to give my business to companies who I deem to have done something that was against my wishes. It is the only way to hurt that company, so if you continue to watch a product you are not pleased with, that makes you, well, stupid. I don't mean to say that you are stupid people who continue to watch, but that you have made a stupid decision.

Also, if you are that emotional over a game, perhaps its time you step back and re-evaluate what is important in your life yes? There was a time when I came to the orange mane to talk about the Broncos with intelligent people. We would argue sure, but the level of hatred that is seen now was not there. Even during the Griese era which at the time I thought would be the most divisive thing in Bronco Country in my life time (silly me, that was tame to what was to follow). Now however, when I come here to the Orange Mane, a part of me dreads it. I keep hoping to find some of the magic that made this place great still lurking and, from time to time I do still find it, but it gets hidden by trolls. Not rival fan trolls, but our own Bronco kindred. Hating everything about the team - which is fine, though it makes me wonder what kind of person hates the team they root for but whatever - and hating other Bronco fans for disagreeing with them.

Seriously, I am pleading with you people, be rational, for one week. Have civil arguments and disagreements. Keep your cool. Talk football, analyze the problems AND the things that are working. Not everything on this team - or any team for that matter - is broken. There are some bright spots. I realize that many of you do not wish to see it, but for those that do, could you allow them to discuss it without being a nasty little twerp? And vice versa, for those that wish to discuss the merits of what is wrong, can those that only see a bright sunny future of this franchise please leave them to it? Perhaps, like in life, its best to avoid those that are different from you if you cannot get along, instead of trolling every thread and picking any fight you can.

I love this place, I have been a member here for 10 years and I have seen a great many changes take place. Good and bad. I have seen good posters come and go, and I have seen what used to be good posters turned into trolling troglodytes because they are incapable of accepting the fact that others have an opinion differing from their own. Before anyone decides "Hey **** you Alec/Rock Chalk/Adam, you are among the worst offenders" I conceed that, and allude to the fact that I too am part of that problem.

I dont mean for it to be all hunky dory and spring meadows in here, but the incessant trolling of both sides of any argument are becoming problematic and pushing this board to a place none of us want it to go. This USED to be the best place on the web for Broncos discussion. That time is now gone. Other sites have surpassed this place. I dont have the energy to invest into another community so Im stuck with this one and if it means I have to change my ways in the hopes of others changing theirs, then I will do that, because this is home for me and I dont want to live in a pig sty.

I know many of you will scoff at this, most probably won't even get to this part of the post. I hope you do, and I hope you stop and think about what you do here. This is our community and we need to self police it, clean it up. Our moderators are worthless, and that's no offense to them, they should not have to be baby sitters for us. We need to as a group, be a little more patient with each other, and a little less quick to insult one another...all of us. If you read this far, thank you, and please give it some thought.

Apple makes ****ty products. ;)

TailgateNut
12-01-2010, 07:25 AM
I agree Alec, this place has gotten outta control. I was Neg Repped for jokingly saying I wished Kyle Orton would get a double ankle sprain, so we could see Tebow in real action Granted I was totally kidding, but no-one can even joke or be sarcastic anymore because everyone is all on edge. But just like in real life, when times get difficult you often see people's true colors. Some "fans" love to attack and go after people, I would love to see more football opinions and discussions without all the name calling and other BS.

Sorry that you feel it's ok to wish an injury on someone regardless of wich team they play for. It's uncalled for, and if it had been a sarcastic comment maybe you should consider using some sort of smilie to indicate that. Backpeddling is like monday morning quarterbacking.

Rabb
12-01-2010, 07:32 AM
good post

I am as guilty as a lot of the people I attack, so I don't help and I realize it

I may not like some of the opinions, but I will do my part to chill out

Broncos_OTM
12-01-2010, 07:35 AM
Ok i guesss ill get on board...choo chooo

SoDak Bronco
12-01-2010, 07:40 AM
Sorry that you feel it's ok to wish an injury on someone regardless of wich team they play for. It's uncalled for, and if it had been a sarcastic comment maybe you should consider using some sort of smilie to indicate that. Backpeddling is like monday morning quarterbacking.

I don't wish injuries on anyone, but I don't deny that I'd love to see Tebow get in the game. Sorry if you are butthurt about it, it was a joke.

Mile High Shack
12-01-2010, 07:46 AM
I don't get the personal attacks.

I use to take this **** seriously, but that was before I had 2 kids and other things that come up in life, where I realized there was more important stuff.

Broncos suck and it's depressing, but I have too much going on to worry about it that much, I just like to vent where I can vent. Since I stopped Twitter, this is a good sounding board as well

Now, in the political forum, that's a different story :)

Mountain Bronco
12-01-2010, 07:52 AM
I was posting my opinion on why things were so bad with the organization before the Ram game and a couple of "Pro-mCd" posters jumped me and the thread degraded into them calling me names with lots of astericks in them.

I wrote back a clear, on topic, no name calling response and got rep from some 3rd party who saw the trend also. Anyway as the debate degraded all they could post were Internet Gif's like "Cool Starry Bra" among others that litter this site when posters can't find a solid retort to back up their points.

I have no problem calling the FO and Players silly names but I have decided to try to make this place better I am no longer calling OM Posters "stupid ****s" as a response to a debate in a thread.

I think poster to poster name calling is what is hurting this site the most. People need to take a step back from having to be right all the time and if your posting opinion and debating that opionion with someone else then rules of a good debate should apply and deteriorating into name calling, or worse, common re-cycled Internet pictures should be avoided.

Since then I have noticed that Popps and I have had some nice debates about issues related to the slide and what to do to fix it. I would almost count Popps as a friend now though I still think Mac's suck in general.

There are still the worst kind of trolls here, the trolls who troll their own fan base. They know who they are and they are on ignore until they prove they are no longer trolling the OM to fill a void in their lives and they are ready to debate what is wrong with Bronco football. These trolls are both "Pro - mCd" and "Anti-mCd" It is going to take a lot of proof that the "pro-mCd" troll has stopped trolling Bronco fans before I take him off ignore.

I think if we use the debate format and resist the temptation to call someone a ****ing douch bag, mother ****ing cock sucking a-hole in response to someone else's opinion this place might get better than the old days.

If this losing keeps up, the fan base is going to thin out which is good because us long timers should be able to setup a truce and allow each other to agree to disagree on topics and move on without all the lame internet gifs.

I am tired.

Now this is truth. You can't come on here with a negative opinion of McD or a positive opinion of McD or Bowlen or anyone in the organization from the executives to the players and not get called an idiot or worse even if your opinion is reasoned. People, everything posted on here are opinions and you know what they say about opinions. Opinions are just that, disagree if you must, but do it in a civil manner and explain why you don't agree instead of just name calling.

As for the trolls like Bob, those guys are actually entertaining and I do come on here to waste time (its the internet for crying out loud there are a million more productive things I could do, but this is supposed to be fun), now the other types of trolls that claim to be fans, but have nothing but hatred are another story.

TailgateNut
12-01-2010, 08:02 AM
I don't wish injuries on anyone, but I don't deny that I'd love to see Tebow get in the game. Sorry if you are butthurt about it, it was a joke.

Yep. This would look like a joke to someone who has intimate knowledge of your mindset. To me and the rest of the world it looks like you would applaud and injury to our starting QB. Pretty ****ing low for a franchise fan.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=3023677&postcount=21

Rohirrim
12-01-2010, 08:09 AM
This too shall pass. ;D

ScottXray
12-01-2010, 08:10 AM
Great Post RC. +1 to all you said.

Unfortunately this is the interwebs, and it only takes one or two
to start it up again.

Rep!

Smiling Assassin27
12-01-2010, 08:25 AM
I don't start many threads here, and when I do they are generally to address the board in general, wishing happy thanksgivings and such and this one is no different. THis is a general plea to my fellow Bronco fans, please take the time to read it all.

Why are you all so mad? The Broncos are not very good, but you have no control over this, so why are you getting upset? Why are you people hating one another so vehemently over something that you could not possibly have any impact on?

Further, if you are so mad at this game, and this team, and this organization, why do you continue to watch? As a mad consumer, I refuse to give my business to companies who I deem to have done something that was against my wishes. It is the only way to hurt that company, so if you continue to watch a product you are not pleased with, that makes you, well, stupid. I don't mean to say that you are stupid people who continue to watch, but that you have made a stupid decision.

Also, if you are that emotional over a game, perhaps its time you step back and re-evaluate what is important in your life yes? There was a time when I came to the orange mane to talk about the Broncos with intelligent people. We would argue sure, but the level of hatred that is seen now was not there. Even during the Griese era which at the time I thought would be the most divisive thing in Bronco Country in my life time (silly me, that was tame to what was to follow). Now however, when I come here to the Orange Mane, a part of me dreads it. I keep hoping to find some of the magic that made this place great still lurking and, from time to time I do still find it, but it gets hidden by trolls. Not rival fan trolls, but our own Bronco kindred. Hating everything about the team - which is fine, though it makes me wonder what kind of person hates the team they root for but whatever - and hating other Bronco fans for disagreeing with them.

Seriously, I am pleading with you people, be rational, for one week. Have civil arguments and disagreements. Keep your cool. Talk football, analyze the problems AND the things that are working. Not everything on this team - or any team for that matter - is broken. There are some bright spots. I realize that many of you do not wish to see it, but for those that do, could you allow them to discuss it without being a nasty little twerp? And vice versa, for those that wish to discuss the merits of what is wrong, can those that only see a bright sunny future of this franchise please leave them to it? Perhaps, like in life, its best to avoid those that are different from you if you cannot get along, instead of trolling every thread and picking any fight you can.

I love this place, I have been a member here for 10 years and I have seen a great many changes take place. Good and bad. I have seen good posters come and go, and I have seen what used to be good posters turned into trolling troglodytes because they are incapable of accepting the fact that others have an opinion differing from their own. Before anyone decides "Hey **** you Alec/Rock Chalk/Adam, you are among the worst offenders" I conceed that, and allude to the fact that I too am part of that problem.

I dont mean for it to be all hunky dory and spring meadows in here, but the incessant trolling of both sides of any argument are becoming problematic and pushing this board to a place none of us want it to go. This USED to be the best place on the web for Broncos discussion. That time is now gone. Other sites have surpassed this place. I dont have the energy to invest into another community so Im stuck with this one and if it means I have to change my ways in the hopes of others changing theirs, then I will do that, because this is home for me and I dont want to live in a pig sty.

I know many of you will scoff at this, most probably won't even get to this part of the post. I hope you do, and I hope you stop and think about what you do here. This is our community and we need to self police it, clean it up. Our moderators are worthless, and that's no offense to them, they should not have to be baby sitters for us. We need to as a group, be a little more patient with each other, and a little less quick to insult one another...all of us. If you read this far, thank you, and please give it some thought.

Compared to the WRP Room, this place is cupcakes and hovercrafts. I see the point being made but find it problematic, not cuz it's a pipe dream (which it is), but because you speak of things like 'rational' but don't tell us what that means. Are we to assume that your standard should be THE standard for what is rational with regard to the Broncos and their Mayor of Munchkin-Land head coach? If so, why?

Futhermore, where do you get the idea that people can help feeling a certain way when disaster or paydirt occurs in a game? It's all part of the cognitive process, which as you know, is stunted in nearly all message board posters under 35. In short, don't tell us how to feel and how to assuage those feelings or someone else might tell you how to feel about flaming posters with nothing but contrarian drivel to offer. Taking some of your own advice here may be warranted.

There exists a wondrous button of which I'm sure you are familiar. It's called an IGNORE button. Use it. Use it liberally. Use it til TJ has to buy more bandwidth to accommodate the monstrous list of trolls you've chosen to ignore. There are certain things you cannot control. Incessant gobs of lazy, uninformed, and just plain unintelligent posts are one of those things. You can plead, you can suggest...hell, you can even bribe folks, but morons will be morons and that's the plain truth.

A sense of dread over a measly message board cannot be healthy. I feel for you, in this respect. But maybe that problem--and its solution--lie inside of you, not the rest of us troglodytes. There is nothing wrong with an appeal to maturity, coherence, respect, and even a dab of intellect, man. I stand with you in that desire, believe me. I also hope for the best and expect the worst. YOU have a choice to make, not the rest of us, chalk. Because as long as there's been message boards (yes, i've been here a long time as well), there's been flamethrowers and people hell-bent on making yours and everyone else's experience there a poor one. Perspective, restraint, and the ignore button are available if you want 'em. Make 'em your friends.

I hope you stay around, as your posts contribute positively to the OM vibe.

ETA: I have no issue with mods and disagree with that 'worthless' statement. Refs are at their best when they are largely invisible.

crawdad
12-01-2010, 08:26 AM
Good post Adam, I came over here following the demise of the RMN board. Slap, Tredici (13), bpc, Popps, bendog and others were at the RMN. I have never met these people except for bpc. I got along with them all, Slap and I played in the same fantasy baseball league for years. Don't have much to say very often. I don't get the hatin' on each other. I love the Broncos and I trust that Pat Bowlen will protect his investment wisely. I can't do anything about the score of the game. I will always be a Bronco fan and I have been thru some lean years with them. I am just so old I don't remember all of it!

I love TGN and Meck and Miles and Trish and Sassy and Hogan and Fanny and whatever the hell name Adam is going by these days and Ryan and Sarah and Bobby. We have all met and we certainly do not all agree on everything. But we are and always will be Bronco buddies.

Some of the posters here just don't get it! I don't want McDaniels fired. I want to see what happens with the draft and next season.

Crushaholic
12-01-2010, 08:31 AM
This place would be boring, if everyone agreed with each other. However, the name calling should cease. As others have said, it's only a game. It's real life that should have everyone mad as hell....

Mile High Shack
12-01-2010, 08:33 AM
This place would be boring, if everyone agreed with each other. However, the name calling should cease. As others have said, it's only a game. It's real life that should have everyone mad as hell....

this

we are all going to have different opinions, but personal attacks should be off limits

yerner
12-01-2010, 08:40 AM
Sorry that you feel it's ok to wish an injury on someone regardless of wich team they play for. It's uncalled for, and if it had been a sarcastic comment maybe you should consider using some sort of smilie to indicate that. Backpeddling is like monday morning quarterbacking.

Lighten Up, Francis.

Spider
12-01-2010, 08:45 AM
I know many of you will scoff at this, most probably won't even get to this part of the post. I hope you do, and I hope you stop and think about what you do here. This is our community and we need to self police it, clean it up. Our moderators are worthless, and that's no offense to them, they should not have to be baby sitters for us. We need to as a group, be a little more patient with each other, and a little less quick to insult one another...all of us. If you read this far, thank you, and please give it some thought.

good post , but for many football is a religion , nothing more important in life.... and when it is like that emotions run high , ur right we should refrain from insulting so quick , but with emotions this high , a loosing streak , bad things are about to happen , the mane has always been a rough place to hang ,and that works for alot of people , or they wouldnt be here .......just saying

Spider
12-01-2010, 08:48 AM
I agree Alec, this place has gotten outta control. I was Neg Repped for jokingly saying I wished Kyle Orton would get a double ankle sprain, so we could see Tebow in real action Granted I was totally kidding, but no-one can even joke or be sarcastic anymore because everyone is all on edge. But just like in real life, when times get difficult you often see people's true colors. Some "fans" love to attack and go after people, I would love to see more football opinions and discussions without all the name calling and other BS.

take it you wasnt here for the Griese debate ...........

Taco John
12-01-2010, 08:55 AM
Go **** yourself.

Now that there is uncalled for. Hit the bricks boy.

strafen
12-01-2010, 08:56 AM
I'm doing my best in chipping in for a good cause.
I'm cleaning my screen of all garbage and insults by eliminating the usual suspects
With that being said...

Please let's welcome tailgatenuts as my newest lifetime member of my ignore list...

This message is hidden because TailgateNut is on your ignore list (http://www.orangemane.com/BB/profile.php?do=ignorelist).

bowtown
12-01-2010, 08:57 AM
Any thread that gets jhns banned, is a success. I'm on the peace train.

Taco John
12-01-2010, 08:58 AM
Any thread that gets jhns banned, is a success. I'm on the peace train.

I'm a big fan of the philosophy of giving everybody enough rope to hang themselves.

Chris
12-01-2010, 08:59 AM
I'm doing my best in chipping in for a good cause.
I'm cleaning my screen of all garbage and insults by eliminating the usual suspects
With that being said...

Please let's welcome tailgatenuts as my newest lifetime member of my ignore list...

This message is hidden because TailgateNut is on your ignore list (http://www.orangemane.com/BB/profile.php?do=ignorelist).

I think we need to avoid making posts like this too if we can. People thrive off attention and putting them on ignore could be construed as a jab, if not a full on insult. I recommend people do it quietly.

SoDak Bronco
12-01-2010, 09:07 AM
take it you wasnt here for the Griese debate ...........

No I hadn't yet discovered the Mane...

cutthemdown
12-01-2010, 09:12 AM
Now that there is uncalled for. Hit the bricks boy.

He gets banned for that? Cmon no way?

cutthemdown
12-01-2010, 09:13 AM
Classic thread started by someone who has done his share of personal insults.

Rabb
12-01-2010, 09:15 AM
I think we need to avoid making posts like this too if we can. People thrive off attention and putting them on ignore could be construed as a jab, if not a full on insult. I recommend people do it quietly.

completely agree

rugbythug
12-01-2010, 09:15 AM
While we are talking about cleaning up the place why all the r rated avy's

Spider
12-01-2010, 09:16 AM
No I hadn't yet discovered the Mane...

:thumbs:.... it was alot worse then anything now .....

Spider
12-01-2010, 09:17 AM
Classic thread started by someone who has done his share of personal insults.

he acknowledged that genius ........ turning over a new leaf , more power to him ....People change ...

cutthemdown
12-01-2010, 09:18 AM
he acknowledged that genius ........ turning over a new leaf , more power to him ....People change ...

Meh I'm not buying it.

go_broncos
12-01-2010, 09:18 AM
RC..you keep insulting others and you are preaching us to remain calm..
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Here is one of your response ..
Quote:
<table border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr> <td class="alt2" style="border: 1px inset ;"> Originally Posted by go_broncos http://www.orangemane.com/BB/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?p=2959798#post2959798)
Monday night football(NE vs MIA) is still not counted..
could you pls include it..
</td> </tr> </tbody></table>
Shut the **** up.

I have a job, you know, I work for a living so if I dont get the god damn stats updated immediately deal with it you ****ing loser.

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I hope you first control yourself before telling others.
Otherwise, it will not have any value.

Spider
12-01-2010, 09:20 AM
Meh I'm not buying it.

LOL , never said it would last ;D

cutthemdown
12-01-2010, 09:21 AM
Classic!!!!!!!!!

Lev Vyvanse
12-01-2010, 09:21 AM
While we are talking about cleaning up the place why all the r rated avy's

Why don't you turn them off?

Rabb
12-01-2010, 09:22 AM
While we are talking about cleaning up the place why all the r rated avy's

I ended up blocking all images from the OM, since I am on a lot from work

cutthemdown
12-01-2010, 09:22 AM
I'll take a Spider I'm going to punch your throat thread over a " Can't we All get Along" one any day!!!!

Meanwhile Rock is still calling people losers I guess? Man this thread made my morning.

cutthemdown
12-01-2010, 09:23 AM
Why don't you turn them off?

Then he would miss my Romo in victory pose!!!!

cutthemdown
12-01-2010, 09:24 AM
I ended up blocking all images from the OM, since I am on a lot from work

So it's ok to waste time at work as long as there are no half nude women in the avatars?

This thread is full of good stuff!!

go_broncos
12-01-2010, 09:25 AM
I'll take a Spider I'm going to punch your throat thread over a " Can't we All get Along" one any day!!!!

Meanwhile Rock is still calling people losers I guess? Man this thread made my morning.

He told me few weeks back..But, I still see him insulting others..
Suddenly, he became saint and started preaching others.

cutthemdown
12-01-2010, 09:27 AM
He told me few weeks back..But, I still see him insulting others..
Suddenly, he became saint and started preaching others.

He's left me some good ones also. That is why I thought it was a great thread though!!

Rabb
12-01-2010, 09:30 AM
Great, take it up with TJ and stop crapping on the thread already

Mile High Shack
12-01-2010, 09:30 AM
He's left me some good ones also. That is why I thought it was a great thread though!!

you should have seen Alec about 6 or 7 years ago.....

Taco John
12-01-2010, 09:33 AM
He gets banned for that? Cmon no way?

Yeah. This is a kumbaya thread. It's one thing to come in and make a wise crack. But to completely take a dump on it, that just shows a blatant disregard for everybody involved. I'm ok with having divergent views on the Broncos and the direction of the team, and I'm happy to take heat for it. But there is a certain point when someone makes it clear that they are just here to create dischord, and that was the point for me.

Argue. Hold your position. Get angry with eachother. But when someone holds out an olive branch and your response is to spit in their face, what's the point of even being here?

cutthemdown
12-01-2010, 09:35 AM
you should have seen Alec about 6 or 7 years ago.....

I guess he wants to mellow lol.

Old Dude
12-01-2010, 09:35 AM
you should have seen Alec about 6 or 7 years ago.....

No kidding. Either he has discovered the miracle of modern meds, or he's matured beyond all imagining, or it was a trap to take out jhns, or all 3.

ant1999e
12-01-2010, 09:38 AM
He gets banned for that? Cmon no way?

I agree.

cutthemdown
12-01-2010, 09:38 AM
Yeah. This is a kumbaya thread. It's one thing to come in and make a wise crack. But to completely take a dump on it, that just shows a blatant disregard for everybody involved. I'm ok with having divergent views on the Broncos and the direction of the team, and I'm happy to take heat for it. But there is a certain point when someone makes it clear that they are just here to create dischord, and that was the point for me.

Argue. Hold your position. Get angry with eachother. But when someone holds out an olive branch and your response is to spit in their face, what's the point of even being here?

It sort of seemed like a joke to me but whatever. It just seems like other people say the same thing in other threads. So now it's what type of thread it is that determines if what you say gets you banned?

Why not just admit you may or may not get banned for anything a mod decides they don't like?

Miss I.
12-01-2010, 09:39 AM
Lighten Up, Francis.

eh. he wasn't the only one who didn't like the remark. I fully own that I did neg rep for that remark. Not that I wish to derail this thread because I believe it is a relevant thread and I fully agree with it. I do not however think my negative rep was in the same vein as the name calling. I chose a negative rep because I could make my opinion known without calling someone out in the thread which I saw as unneccesary. But again, to each his own. Opinions are like brains, everyone has one, but not all of them are good. ;D Just kidding, we all know what opinions are like. :flower:

Mile High Shack
12-01-2010, 09:41 AM
No kidding. Either he has discovered the miracle of modern meds, or he's matured beyond all imagining, or it was a trap to take out jhns, or all 3.

http://relentlesspoa.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/ackbar1.gif

knowing Alec, I'd go for that

cutthemdown
12-01-2010, 09:41 AM
I agree.

It's just....well I have had people say things pretty bad to me before. I didn't want them banned but I have been told to **** off about 100 thousand times and done the same myself. I guess I am just confused because that post seemed tame by the mane standards.

ant1999e
12-01-2010, 09:41 AM
Yeah. This is a kumbaya thread. It's one thing to come in and make a wise crack. But to completely take a dump on it, that just shows a blatant disregard for everybody involved. I'm ok with having divergent views on the Broncos and the direction of the team, and I'm happy to take heat for it. But there is a certain point when someone makes it clear that they are just here to create dischord, and that was the point for me.

Argue. Hold your position. Get angry with eachother. But when someone holds out an olive branch and your response is to spit in their face, what's the point of even being here?

I think you got caught up in the moment and made a decision off of emotion on this one.

vancejohnson82
12-01-2010, 09:43 AM
eh. he wasn't the only one who didn't like the remark. I fully own that I did neg rep for that remark. Not that I wish to derail this thread because I believe it is a relevant thread and I fully agree with it. I do not however think my negative rep was in the same vein as the name calling. I chose a negative rep because I could make my opinion known without calling someone out in the thread which I saw as unneccesary. But again, to each his own. Opinions are like brains, everyone has one, but not all of them are good. ;D Just kidding, we all know what opinions are like. :flower:

I feel like your avatar is too risque for this board....I have a 2 year old dog who logs on here sometimes and I don't think he should see things like that.

On a related note, I locked him in the bathroom when I watched Ghostbusters the other day. Dog abuse or good parenting?

Threads like the one mentioned above are why this board is great

cutthemdown
12-01-2010, 09:46 AM
I'll post what I want in any thread just like we have always done. Screw how this place is trying to make up new rules as we go along because they don't like how season is going.

Just be men and deal with it. Waaaaa we want this thread to be the feel good thread Taco!!!!! Ban everyone!

ant1999e
12-01-2010, 09:47 AM
I'll post what I want in any thread just like we have always done. Screw how this place is trying to make up new rules as we go along because they don't like how season is going.

Just be men and deal with it. Waaaaa we want this thread to be the feel good thread Taco!!!!! Ban everyone!

Better watch yourself.;)

colonelbeef
12-01-2010, 09:47 AM
Now that there is uncalled for. Hit the bricks boy.

he was obviously joking around.

Lev Vyvanse
12-01-2010, 09:49 AM
I'll post what I want in any thread just like we have always done. Screw how this place is trying to make up new rules as we go along because they don't like how season is going.

Just be men and deal with it. Waaaaa we want this thread to be the feel good thread Taco!!!!! Ban everyone!

Is this a response to someone? I think you jumped the gun.

Dukes
12-01-2010, 09:49 AM
he was obviously joking around.

Isn't that what smilies are for?

colonelbeef
12-01-2010, 09:49 AM
I'll post what I want in any thread just like we have always done. Screw how this place is trying to make up new rules as we go along because they don't like how season is going.

Just be men and deal with it. Waaaaa we want this thread to be the feel good thread Taco!!!!! Ban everyone!

No kidding.

The same people who were fan policing and attacking anyone who questioned McScandals, and who were sending me "go **** yourself" pms constantly- looking at you Meck77, McDagmar, Tailgatefan, and a few others, are the same people who now are crying to the mods because you have been proven to be completely wrong, and are too childish to handle it like adults

Taco John
12-01-2010, 09:49 AM
Why not just admit you may or may not get banned for anything a mod decides they don't like?


I have zero problems admitting that. I ask users to use their best judgement, and I ask mods to use their best judgement. Simple as that.

cutthemdown
12-01-2010, 09:51 AM
I thought about posting a similar one liner just for fun. I agree I think it was a joke Colonelbeef. It's a shame TACO felt one thread needed to be treated differently then any other thread other then for instance one about a persons sick family member etc etc where we don't ever see stuff like this.

Judge the board not on stuff like this but what happens when someone gets sick, or has bad luck in life etc etc. More then once I have stepped up on here and given money to people I don't even know. Once to a Chief fan who was sick!. I have seen many others do the same.

I don't remember ever seeing any of the regulars come crap on any thread that really matters. Never in the ones about family members being sick, or them being sick, or someone dying etc etc.

This banning is just wrong. It's bigger then this thread Rock just did and IMO should be reversed.

colonelbeef
12-01-2010, 09:51 AM
Isn't that what smilies are for?

I think the sarcasm was clear.

More to the point, however, so what if he was being serious? He has taken a lot of heat from a lot of people, all of whom were totally wrong about McDaniels and the state of the team by the way.

Jhns is a lot of things, but he also happens to have been right about McDaniels all along

Requiem
12-01-2010, 09:51 AM
Is there a list on the boards of banned members like on other forums, i.e., BF?

cutthemdown
12-01-2010, 09:53 AM
Is this a response to someone? I think you jumped the gun.

It's just how i feel. Someone gets banned because TACO doesn't like how they posted in this thread. This is a response to that and another person touting how they just gave a negative rep to the guy so as not to hijack the thread.

My post is that this thread isn't special and deserves no special treatment.

Hope this cleared up my vent a bit.

Miss I.
12-01-2010, 09:53 AM
I feel like your avatar is too risque for this board....I have a 2 year old dog who logs on here sometimes and I don't think he should see things like that.

On a related note, I locked him in the bathroom when I watched Ghostbusters the other day. Dog abuse or good parenting?

Threads like the one mentioned above are why this board is great

I was just trying to get into the holiday spirit, but yeah, I really should put something less likely to get a rise out of people. So I tell you what when the guys take down their half naked girls from their avatars I will replace mine with something else in keeping with the decorum of the Mane. ;D

Lev Vyvanse
12-01-2010, 09:54 AM
No kidding.

The same people who were fan policing and attacking anyone who questioned McScandals, and who were sending me "go **** yourself" pms constantly- looking at you Meck77, Tailgatefan, and a few others, are the same people who now are crying to the mods because you have been proven to be completely wrong, and are too childish to handle it like adults

It's funny I don't see anyone crying to get people banned. I think you guys just want it to be that way so you can complain.

Dutch
12-01-2010, 09:54 AM
I wont say much here... Ive been a member here for a while too. I used to come here to read a lot... I learned a few things, and laughed a lot. I posted a little.

For what its worth, I've come here a lot this season, but more often than not, I read a few posts into a thread, then just close my browser. Im just not interested in watching people throw insults at each other. I am interested in whats happening to and with the Broncos. There still is a lot of insightful content here, its just buried in the BS. So I look for it, sometimes find it, but mostly not.

I still watch the Broncos every week, and for half of the home games I scream my fool head of in section 510. (BTW, KC was as much fun as I've had in a while). The current state of the team is not good. It will eventually get better. Trust me, even in their current state, things are better with the Broncos than the team I grew up with (I grew up in central Ohio, and went to school in Cincinnati. Go figure).

I used to think I wanted to find the OM crowd at a tailgate. I make a pretty mean green chile, but if the tailgate even slightly resembles the discourse here, I think Ill just wait for better days, and just go find my seat.

Count mine as a vote to tone it down too... but each to their own.

jc

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vancejohnson82
12-01-2010, 09:55 AM
I was just trying to get into the holiday spirit, but yeah, I really should put something less likely to get a rise out of people. So I tell you what when the guys take down their half naked girls from their avatars I will replace mine with something else in keeping with the decorum of the Mane. ;D

Ok....that means I'll have to up up a picture of my dog naked with a Christmas hat on

cutthemdown
12-01-2010, 09:55 AM
Even if it wasn't a joke he shouldn't be banned. We don't get banned for telling people to **** off unless it's in a serious thread about someones family.

Isn't that the rule we all follow here? Even people who don't like this poster should be supporting him here.

I'm shocked frankly that you all would just bandwagon him off because you don't like him.

colonelbeef
12-01-2010, 09:56 AM
It's funny I don't see anyone crying to get people banned. I think you guys just want it to be that way so you can complain.

The threads are littered with people (McFanboys) who think that the trolls (people who dislike McDaniels and have been correct about him for some time) should be banned.

They are the same people who hide from posters by blocking them, a la Poops. Poops has been wrong every step of the way, and instead of taking it like a man head first he hides

Taco John
12-01-2010, 09:56 AM
I think you got caught up in the moment and made a decision off of emotion on this one.

I might have.

I get a lot of heat in my inbox about certain posters, and he's one of them. It's like the old saying goes, a nail that sticks out gets hammered down.

It's hard to read sarcasm on the internet. Likewise, it's hard to understand how others are going to interpret what you say. As I was reading the thread, I was greatly discouraged by his post given the tone of what everybody was saying in the thread. I don't need everybody to sing songs and hold hands, but that post came across to me as blatantly, and aggressively anti-social. In the context of the thread, added to the context of much of the anti-social posts he makes, it's not exactly a favorable picture.

cutthemdown
12-01-2010, 09:58 AM
It's funny I don't see anyone crying to get people banned. I think you guys just want it to be that way so you can complain.

Couple jokes about the guy getting banned, no one except a few of us saying its wrong etc etc.

Seriously Lev you are around here enough to say whether or not people get banned for saying **** off. Tell me honestly would you expect that to get a person banned in this type of thread?

colonelbeef
12-01-2010, 09:58 AM
I might have.

I get a lot of heat in my inbox about certain posters, and he's one of them. It's like the old saying goes, a nail that sticks out gets hammered down.

It's hard to read sarcasm on the internet. Likewise, it's hard to understand how others are going to interpret what you say. As I was reading the thread, I was greatly discouraged by his post given the tone of what everybody was saying in the thread. I don't need everybody to sing songs and hold hands, but that post came across to me as blatantly, and aggressively anti-social. In the context of the thread, added to the context of much of the anti-social posts he makes, it's not exactly a favorable picture.

posters like jhns keep this place interesting fwiw. tsiguy is the same in my opinion- and neither should be ignored or banned, both are amusing and get people riled up

Requiem
12-01-2010, 09:59 AM
Hence, "enough rope to hang themselves with."

He certainly did that on his own accord.

Dukes
12-01-2010, 10:01 AM
posters like jhns keep this place interesting fwiw. tsiguy is the same in my opinion- and neither should be ignored or banned, both are amusing and get people riled up

This place use to be about football. Now it's about getting people riled up. Sad.

Taco John
12-01-2010, 10:02 AM
I've gotten a few well reasoned petitions in my inbox in his favor. I'm taking them under advisement. I'm not convinced that I made the wrong move. But I'm certainly open to the idea that I'm not perfect.

cutthemdown
12-01-2010, 10:02 AM
People who send messages to TACO crying about posters should be the ones who lose the ability to message you TACO. Those people who want to silence, to regulate, to infringe on the Marketplace Of Ideas are the ones who we should worry about. They are the ones who can destroy the Mane.

Sorry for the rant but I think what people get banned for is the most important aspect of the boards rules. It's very important we know what those rules are or the board becomes some arbitrary place where some people get to speak there minds and others don't.

Like I said any of you need something, need help, I don't care who, I would step up if I could. I know a lot of others on the board would also. Maybe this guy I am sticking up for wouldn't, I don't know and don't care. I just want to defend my right to tell someone to **** off.

Lev Vyvanse
12-01-2010, 10:02 AM
Couple jokes about the guy getting banned, no one except a few of us saying its wrong etc etc.

Seriously Lev you are around here enough to say whether or not people get banned for saying **** off. Tell me honestly would you expect that to get a person banned in this type of thread?

No. I also believe it's his house and he can do whatever he wants.

cutthemdown
12-01-2010, 10:03 AM
Hence, "enough rope to hang themselves with."

He certainly did that on his own accord.

Not surprised you like it.

Miss I.
12-01-2010, 10:04 AM
Ok....that means I'll have to up up a picture of my dog naked with a Christmas hat on

what kind of dog do you have? ;D

cutthemdown
12-01-2010, 10:04 AM
No way Taco takes the approach it's his house and he can do what he wants. Taco never acts like a spoiled child whose dad owns the candy shop. I bet he thinks about it and lifts the ban.

I have faith TACO is thinking about it and will end this ban.

colonelbeef
12-01-2010, 10:04 AM
This place use to be about football. Now it's about getting people riled up. Sad.

Oh please with the sanctimonious bull****.

This place is about having fun first and foremost- the topic is football, but there are any number of venues for people to discuss football on the internet. If the individuals are boring and the messages mundane, nobody would bother to pay any attention.

It's the same reason the people from NPR don't host shows on the NFL network.

It can be about both. Don't be tediously black and white, thx.

~Crash~
12-01-2010, 10:04 AM
The OrangeMane mascot:

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this should be on the front page... l0olo

Lev Vyvanse
12-01-2010, 10:07 AM
No way Taco takes the approach it's his house and he can do what he wants. Taco never acts like a spoiled child whose dad owns the candy shop. I bet he thinks about it and lifts the ban.

I have faith TACO is thinking about it and will end this ban.

If thats what you think the mature thing to do in this thread would have been to send a PM. You are the one acting like a child.

Requiem
12-01-2010, 10:09 AM
Not surprised you like it.

It has nothing to do with me.

Rock Chalk's thread was clearly one where he was trying to bridge the gap between the frustrations on this board between fans of the same team.

If you look at the interactions on a daily basis of the poster in question, I find it extremely hard to believe that his post was "in jest" or a "joke."

Remarks like this from him are the norm, not atypical. It is pretty well-known that he isn't liked here by much of anyone at all and that one of his premium missions is just to get underneath the skin of others.

He might be defensible, if he actually talked football once in a while with some tact and intellect, but that is most certainly a rarity.

This wasn't just some one time mess up, this is what he has done for a long time.

baja
12-01-2010, 10:09 AM
I agree.

You guys crack me up. You beg TJ to do something about the recent few new members that spam the board with never ending hate mail and when one reaches TJ's very lenient threshold and he bans that person you call him out on that. Poor TJ can't win no matter what he does.

colonelbeef
12-01-2010, 10:10 AM
If thats what you think the mature thing to do in this thread would have been to send a PM. You are the one acting like a child.

No he isn't- he is standing up for your right to act like a child

cutthemdown is the Rosa Parks of the orange mane!

colonelbeef
12-01-2010, 10:10 AM
You guys crack me up. You beg TJ to do something about the recent few new members that spam the board with never ending hate mail and when one reaches TJ's very lenient threshold and he bans that person you call him out on that. Poor TJ can't win no matter what he does.

So you think that jhns should have been banned?

Shocker.

cutthemdown
12-01-2010, 10:12 AM
It has nothing to do with me.

Rock Chalk's thread was clearly one where he was trying to bridge the gap between the frustrations on this board between fans of the same team.

If you look at the interactions on a daily basis of the poster in question, I find it extremely hard to believe that his post was "in jest" or a "joke."

Remarks like this from him are the norm, not atypical. It is pretty well-known that he isn't liked here by much of anyone at all and that one of his premium missions is just to get underneath the skin of others.

He might be defensible, if he actually talked football once in a while with some tact and intellect, but that is most certainly a rarity.

This wasn't just some one time mess up, this is what he has done for a long time.

Even if he's not joking it shouldn't be bannable. LOL is that a word? In any event we only get banned for attacks on family or really bad threats of violence, or ****ting on a thread about a sick family member etc etc.

Since when do we get banned in a Rodney King type thread? The ban is because people don't like him and I think that is wrong.

Think about Req and get back to me. I know even though we don't care for each other you are smart enough to see what just happened here.

strafen
12-01-2010, 10:13 AM
People who send messages to TACO crying about posters should be the ones who lose the ability to message you TACO. Those people who want to silence, to regulate, to infringe on the Marketplace Of Ideas are the ones who we should worry about. They are the ones who can destroy the Mane.

Sorry for the rant but I think what people get banned for is the most important aspect of the boards rules. It's very important we know what those rules are or the board becomes some arbitrary place where some people get to speak there minds and others don't.

Like I said any of you need something, need help, I don't care who, I would step up if I could. I know a lot of others on the board would also. Maybe this guy I am sticking up for wouldn't, I don't know and don't care. I just want to defend my right to tell someone to **** off.People want to eliminate those whose opinions they disagree with.
They want this place to be like we are right now with our team at 3-8 and all they want to talk about is how great McDaniels is and how is not his fault.
Anybody who says otherwise is an idiot, is a moron for even thinking McDaniels should be fired for the mess he's created since day one.

Now, to see jhns banned and to see other posters create threads calling him out is a little bit unfair.
The guy gets attacked mercilessly day in day out for what he believes, and to tell you the truth, he's been spot on.
People hated the guy and people never took the time to read his post and understand what he's saying.
The simple fact that he's "anti-McDaniels" is reason enough for some of the homers here to tune him out and insult him.
He gets tired of the insults and personal attacks and finally tells someone who deserved it to **** off and now jhns gets banned.
Just brilliant.

I hope you're happy now and start looking for someone else to attack and insult, hoping this strategy will get them banned too...

I don't have time right now, but I'll be curious to see how many times has Alec, thatdenvermooseguy, tailgatenut or the likes have used the word **** off to insult someone here as recent as this week

colonelbeef
12-01-2010, 10:16 AM
People want to eliminate those whose opinions they disagree with.
They want this place to be like we are right now with our team at 3-8 and all they want to talk about is how great McDaniels is and how is not his fault.
Anybody who says otherwise is an idiot, is a moron for even thinking McDaniels should be fire for the mess he's created since day one.

Now, to see jhns banned and to see other posters create threads calling him out is a little bit unfair.
The guy gets attacked mercyless day in day out for what he believes and to tell you the truth, he's been spot on.
People hated the guy and never took the time to read his post and understand what he's saying.
The simple fact that he's "anti-McDaniels is reason enough for some of the homers here to tune him out and insult him.
He gets tired of the insults and personal attacks and finally tells someone who deserved it to **** off and now jhns gets banned.
Just brilliant.

I hope you're happy now and start looking for someone else to attack and insult, hoping this strategy will get them banned...

I don't have time right now, but I'll be curious to see how many times has Alec, thatdenvermooseguy, tailgatenut or the like have used the word **** off to insult someone here. I'm sure we could probaly find some from very recent

of course.

this is all about the McFanboys getting jhns and his opinions (which have been totally on the mark, grammar aside) off of the board.

Pathetic.

cutthemdown
12-01-2010, 10:16 AM
No Baja I always stick up against censorship on the Mane. I am being consistent and it's TACO and the board supporting this ban who is not.

The fact you mention people trying to get Taco to crack down on unpopular posters is very telling. The mane right now wants to ignore, ban, and forget any poster they don't like.

I support the ignore feature but not the banning. Really people could just ignore Jhns right?

baja
12-01-2010, 10:16 AM
I think TJ should ban every body for 1 week. We all deserve a time out the way we have been behaving lately. ;D

When Alec comes in with a calm down thread you know we have gone over the edge.

cutthemdown
12-01-2010, 10:18 AM
People want to eliminate those whose opinions they disagree with.
They want this place to be like we are right now with our team at 3-8 and all they want to talk about is how great McDaniels is and how is not his fault.
Anybody who says otherwise is an idiot, is a moron for even thinking McDaniels should be fire for the mess he's created since day one.

Now, to see jhns banned and to see other posters create threads calling him out is a little bit unfair.
The guy gets attacked mercyless day in day out for what he believes and to tell you the truth, he's been spot on.
People hated the guy and never took the time to read his post and understand what he's saying.
The simple fact that he's "anti-McDaniels is reason enough for some of the homers here to tune him out and insult him.
He gets tired of the insults and personal attacks and finally tells someone who deserved it to **** off and now jhns gets banned.
Just brilliant.

I hope you're happy now and start looking for someone else to attack and insult, hoping this strategy will get them banned...

I don't have time right now, but I'll be curious to see how many times has Alec, thatdenvermooseguy, tailgatenut or the like have used the word **** off to insult someone here. I'm sure we could probaly find some from very recent

Well I am a Mcdaniels supporter but I did say before year we would be really bad. Mostly just because I don't feel you can turn around a team in 2 years.

So I am a little different in that I am a Mcdaniels supporter from the start. I admit I am wavering but still I have to admit that I was liking him from the start.

I still though won't people to speak there minds with no fear of being banned.

cutthemdown
12-01-2010, 10:18 AM
I took a lot of heat from Kaylore for saying the Broncos would be bad this yr during preseason. Check the thread I bumped, it's all there.

vancejohnson82
12-01-2010, 10:18 AM
what kind of dog do you have? ;D

A Broncos fan...

i have no clue how to put pics in here

Requiem
12-01-2010, 10:20 AM
I have nothing against you, cut. We differ in opinion on things. You've never taken personal shots at me that I recall and have nothing to rag on you about other than maybe a few silly posts in WRP, which is expected, because we are all crazy there.

Secondly, I don't think that the ban happened because he simply isn't liked. It is redundant, but I will refer to the "enough rope to hang themselves with" comment that TJ has made, and also his discourse on getting PM's about a few members.

My assumption, though it might be wrong, as this could have been the breaker to a rather lengthy list of incidents regarding the poster in question. As TJ also said, it is quite hard to analyze linguistics on an internet message board. There are some helpful indicators, such as a "winky smiley" that may have prefaced it being a joke, however, you take a look at how he posts and I find it almost impossible to believe that it was sarcasm.

It is his habitual nature.

Should someone be banned on these boards for saying, "Go **** yourself!" -- Probably not, especially compared to some other things that have gotten to slide since the forum has erupted in chaos over the state of the franchise. However, as I said, this decision might have not been based on just this incident, but reports and considerations from past events.

I've been banned here once or twice, and I was man enough to take them.

Honestly, I don't have a problem with the ban that much given his track record and actions towards other people. I would be lying if I said I liked the guy, but I don't and whether or not he gets to post here is not of much consequence. He is not someone worth interacting with in the first place.

If JHNS wasn't on the side of the fence regarding football and the team that those against the ban are, they probably wouldn't care at all. If it was someone like Popps who got banned for saying that, they would doing cartwheels.

There has been no adequate defense for the posters behavior, just high fives and praise by those like-minded that he has been "spot on" about the Broncos all along.

And some poster (not you) said End of Silence to stop being sanctimonious?

Oh dear Lord, the IRONY.

vancejohnson82
12-01-2010, 10:21 AM
of course.

this is all about the McFanboys getting jhns and his opinions (which have been totally on the mark, grammar aside) off of the board.

Pathetic.

his opinions have been on the mark as much as most people...

it comes down to him wanting McDaniels gone right now and others not wanting that done...but he comes into every thread with that argument, which is fine but I hate to go into a thread about Orton and Lloyd and have to read a comment like "well, McPoopy, blah blah"

thats just my opinion

cutthemdown
12-01-2010, 10:21 AM
I think TJ should ban every body for 1 week. We all deserve a time out the way we have been behaving lately. ;D

When Alec comes in with a calm down thread you know we have gone over the edge.

Meh he probably just had some good sex the night before.............with the boy down the street. :rofl:

Miss I.
12-01-2010, 10:22 AM
A Broncos fan...

i have no clue how to put pics in here

Now that is a real Broncos fan. Thank you for posting him. Who wouldn't love that guy. :thumbs:

~Crash~
12-01-2010, 10:22 AM
You guys crack me up. You beg TJ to do something about the recent few new members that spam the board with never ending hate mail and when one reaches TJ's very lenient threshold and he bans that person you call him out on that. Poor TJ can't win no matter what he does.

Said the man with a Moc avatar......:~ohyah!:

baja
12-01-2010, 10:23 AM
No Baja I always stick up against censorship on the Mane. I am being consistent and it's TACO and the board supporting this ban who is not.

The fact you mention people trying to get Taco to crack down on unpopular posters is very telling. The mane right now wants to ignore, ban, and forget any poster they don't like.

I support the ignore feature but not the banning. Really people could just ignore Jhns right?

I didn't say unpopular I said people that from day one have come in in full attack mode and have turned a mostly enjoyable experience into an unpleasant one.

Many of the new people receiving all the negative attention are here because that have been banned for other boards for the same behavior. TJ is very lenient and that has been taken advantage off. I don't think other boards allow the level of vitriol that has gone on here the last few months.

Banning is always going to be a judgment call cut, no other way to do it.

vancejohnson82
12-01-2010, 10:25 AM
Now that is a real Broncos fan. Thank you for posting him. Who wouldn't love that guy. :thumbs:

the people that were using him as a bait dog for their fighting dogs....really sad, he's got scars all down his back and his chest...

ok, i'm throwing this thread off base...sorry!

cutthemdown
12-01-2010, 10:25 AM
his opinions have been on the mark as much as most people...

it comes down to him wanting McDaniels gone right now and others not wanting that done...but he comes into every thread with that argument, which is fine but I hate to go into a thread about Orton and Lloyd and have to read a comment like "well, McPoopy, blah blah"

thats just my opinion

But unless we defend the most annoying it's not a free and open forum anymore.

That is all I am defending. The posts about why people really think its ok to ban jhns prove they agree this isn't something 99.9% would be banned for. I'm probably getting close but I will happily take my ban to stand up for what I believe.

When I am done ranting this morning I will tell rock to **** off in every thread on the board, take my ban, and feel good about it.

hambone13
12-01-2010, 10:26 AM
No way Taco takes the approach it's his house and he can do what he wants. Taco never acts like a spoiled child whose dad owns the candy shop. I bet he thinks about it and lifts the ban.

I have faith TACO is thinking about it and will end this ban.

I agree wholeheartedly with this and all of your train of thought on this matter. Although Jhns and I agree on many topics, he's made an ass out of himself on several occasions imo and I've let him know it. It's rough to be disliked around here for not following the herd but he's always maintained a position of mutual disrespect with all that don't agree with him, respectfully. I don't think his post was outside that norm.

I thought the blatant simplicity was hysterically apparent in his post. It follows his tone of posting and wasn't insulting but funny as hell.

The hand holding, "I need a hug because I'm a homer and we suck" aspect of this thread rates sarcasm. IMO, there needs to be a, "I'm sorry. You Had a Point." thread that acknowledges that some of us have always been fans of the Broncos but didn't agree with the direction the organization was taking, even when we went into detail about why we felt that way. Yes, insults were exchanged but we held our ground for good and meaningful reasons. That doesn't make us haters. It's the homers that are the most angry and unreasonable and we all know who they are even if they might be gay and sensitive about it.

cutthemdown
12-01-2010, 10:26 AM
the people that were using him as a bait dog for their fighting dogs....really sad, he's got scars all down his back and his chest...

ok, i'm throwing this thread off base...sorry!

Dogs like that can be tough to raise. Good luck brother.

Smiling Assassin27
12-01-2010, 10:27 AM
the people that were using him as a bait dog for their fighting dogs....really sad, he's got scars all down his back and his chest...

ok, i'm throwing this thread off base...sorry!

whomever does something like that to a dog ought to be in jail for life.


sincerely,

kevin kolb

Miss I.
12-01-2010, 10:30 AM
the people that were using him as a bait dog for their fighting dogs....really sad, he's got scars all down his back and his chest...

ok, i'm throwing this thread off base...sorry!

not at all. he's clearly a Bronco fan and this is a discussion about Bronco fans. At any rate, I am sorry to hear people abused him. My grandparents had a German Shepherd when I was a kid whod been abused by previous owners (they found him in an alley as a puppy, got him taken care of by a vet and then had him for the rest of his life I love that dog, his name was Hobo). You could always tell because whenever my grams would come out and sweep the patio he would run and hide, he was afraid of the broom. When I think of people like that I get pretty angry. Thus my tirade on that Eagle who won't be named. And now I am taking this off topic. Sorry. At any rate your dog is gorgeous and clearly smart since he's a Bronco fan. ;D

vancejohnson82
12-01-2010, 10:31 AM
But unless we defend the most annoying it's not a free and open forum anymore.

That is all I am defending. The posts about why people really think its ok to ban jhns prove they agree this isn't something 99.9% would be banned for. I'm probably getting close but I will happily take my ban to stand up for what I believe.

When I am done ranting this morning I will tell rock to **** off in every thread on the board, take my ban, and feel good about it.

I agree with this...and for the most part we've gotten rid of some of the trashy posters who weren't here to talk football....i disagree with JHNS and Dragster almost all the time, but if they weren't here it would just be a smoozefest between us McDaniels supporters and I wouldnt be here as much

oh, and I've had that dog for almost a year now....he is a GREAT dog....and he gets along well with the other 3 pits I've saved too which surprised me...he's lwest on the totem pole but my dog's pecking order doesnt involve a rape stand or duct tape....or electrocution for that matter

cutthemdown
12-01-2010, 10:31 AM
I agree wholeheartedly with this and all of your train of thought on this matter. Although Jhns and I agree on many topics, he's made an ass out of himself on several occasions imo and I've let him know it. It's rough to be disliked around here for not following the herd but he's always maintained a position of mutual disrespect with all that don't agree with him, respectfully and I don't think that post was outside that norm.

I thought the blatant simplicity was hysterically apparent in his post. It follows his tone of posting and wasn't insulting but funny as hell.

The hand holding, "I need a hug because I'm a homer and we suck" aspect of this thread rates sarcasm. IMO, there needs to be a, "I'm sorry. You Had a Point." thread that acknowledges that some of us have always been fans of the Broncos but didn't agree with the direction the organization was taking, even when we went into detail about why we felt that way. Yes, insults were exchanged but we held our ground for good and meaningful reason. That doesn't make me a hater. It's the homers that are the most angry and unreasonable and we all know who they are even if they might be gay and sensitive about it.

I actually still think to say the direction is bad because we suck on defense is shortsighted. I think you could look at the roster pre season and know that there isn't a coach out there who would coach this mob up. They still don't have 3-4 inside linebackers. They tried to quick fix dline and it didnt work. Still though not many picks for front 7 yet. I short of expect that this yr.

I agree that changing QBS set him back a yr and that was probably a mistake, but I don't like Cutler that much so whatever.

People wanted a quick fix and the Broncos were more a 2-3 yr rebuilding on defense. When the Cutler fiasco happened that made it a 3-4 yr thing because we had to then work on offense a bit.

I still say give Mcdaniels another yr because you have to give someone 3 yrs IMO. Let him use the picks this yr, see if he cant get Dareus, and see what happens.

I do respect people right to call him Mcpoopie pants though. I love that.

Oh and **** off. I end every thread that way now :rofl:

always followed with a happy face so I don't get banned. :thanku::thanku:

cutthemdown
12-01-2010, 10:32 AM
whomever does something like that to a dog ought to be in jail for life.


sincerely,

kevin kolb

Oh man this is an Orangemane classic. I actually coughed up my bowl!!

**** Off!!

vancejohnson82
12-01-2010, 10:35 AM
whomever does something like that to a dog ought to be in jail for life.


sincerely,

kevin kolb

hahahahaha....perfect

baja
12-01-2010, 10:44 AM
So you think that jhns should have been banned?

Shocker.

If you just go by that one post probably not but he has a history here and I would imagine TJ has been flooded with complaints about him and TJ reached his threshold.

I bet this is the most lenient Bronco board on the net

He should have been banned a long time ago.IMO

Anyway it was TJ's call so live with it or start your own board that is a slug fest.

We have gotten so polarized here that if a guy is in your camp he can do no wrong.

I agree with Alec we have let this get out of hand to the point it's not fun to be here anymore. Alec is right in saying it's up to us to fix this.

colonelbeef
12-01-2010, 10:45 AM
I have nothing against you, cut. We differ in opinion on things. You've never taken personal shots at me that I recall and have nothing to rag on you about other than maybe a few silly posts in WRP, which is expected, because we are all crazy there.

Secondly, I don't think that the ban happened because he simply isn't liked. It is redundant, but I will refer to the "enough rope to hang themselves with" comment that TJ has made, and also his discourse on getting PM's about a few members.

My assumption, though it might be wrong, as this could have been the breaker to a rather lengthy list of incidents regarding the poster in question. As TJ also said, it is quite hard to analyze linguistics on an internet message board. There are some helpful indicators, such as a "winky smiley" that may have prefaced it being a joke, however, you take a look at how he posts and I find it almost impossible to believe that it was sarcasm.

It is his habitual nature.

Should someone be banned on these boards for saying, "Go **** yourself!" -- Probably not, especially compared to some other things that have gotten to slide since the forum has erupted in chaos over the state of the franchise. However, as I said, this decision might have not been based on just this incident, but reports and considerations from past events.

I've been banned here once or twice, and I was man enough to take them.

Honestly, I don't have a problem with the ban that much given his track record and actions towards other people. I would be lying if I said I liked the guy, but I don't and whether or not he gets to post here is not of much consequence. He is not someone worth interacting with in the first place.

If JHNS wasn't on the side of the fence regarding football and the team that those against the ban are, they probably wouldn't care at all. If it was someone like Popps who got banned for saying that, they would doing cartwheels.

There has been no adequate defense for the posters behavior, just high fives and praise by those like-minded that he has been "spot on" about the Broncos all along.

And some poster (not you) said End of Silence to stop being sanctimonious?

Oh dear Lord, the IRONY.

Oh cool, ad hominem. Love that.

1. I do not advocate banning for any reason. I don't even advocate ignoring unless the person is an out of control troll. this goes for Poops as well, although I happen to disagree with everything he says, mainly due to the fact that he is so consistently wrong on all fronts.

2. Based on this post, I think that it's safe to assume that you do not understand the meaning of either term

Taco John
12-01-2010, 10:47 AM
For the record, I think we'd be having a lot more fun here this season if the Broncos had about 3 more wins on their record at this point. I don't know how much fun you can have on a message board in a 3 win season. We've had plenty of fun this offseason, from MS Paint threads to the scrutinizing of the stuff on the field. But with only three wins to show for our season at this point, it's only natural that people would be on edge.

Smiling Assassin27
12-01-2010, 10:50 AM
For the record, I think we'd be having a lot more fun here this season if the Broncos had about 3 more wins on their record at this point. I don't know how much fun you can have on a message board in a 3 win season. We've had plenty of fun this offseason, from MS Paint threads to the scrutinizing of the stuff on the field. But with only three wins to show for our season at this point, it's only natural that people would be on edge.

...and the Boob Mojo thread. :thumbs:

baja
12-01-2010, 10:51 AM
Said the man with a Moc avatar......:~ohyah!:

Did you miss the "In memory of" part?

Miss I.
12-01-2010, 10:52 AM
...and the Boob Mojo thread. :thumbs:

hey are those the ones where Bob says we are going to lose and then we win? ;D

hambone13
12-01-2010, 10:53 AM
I actually still think to say the direction is bad because we suck on defense is shortsighted. I think you could look at the roster pre season and know that there isn't a coach out there who would coach this mob up. They still don't have 3-4 inside linebackers. They tried to quick fix dline and it didnt work. Still though not many picks for front 7 yet. I short of expect that this yr.

I agree that changing QBS set him back a yr and that was probably a mistake, but I don't like Cutler that much so whatever.

People wanted a quick fix and the Broncos were more a 2-3 yr rebuilding on defense. When the Cutler fiasco happened that made it a 3-4 yr thing because we had to then work on offense a bit.

I still say give Mcdaniels another yr because you have to give someone 3 yrs IMO. Let him use the picks this yr, see if he cant get Dareus, and see what happens.

I do respect people right to call him Mcpoopie pants though. I love that.

Oh and **** off. I end every thread that way now :rofl:

always followed with a happy face so I don't get banned. :thanku::thanku:

Way to go with the football talk! I'm sure you're earning points somewhere. I agree we have some talent on D (which McD has done a decent job of upgrading) that could be coached but we need someone in leadership to focus on the D line in the draft.

Perhaps more importantly, we need seasoned leadership that can focus on managing talented personalities and making them better despite their flawed personalities. McPoopie deserves another year to show he can focus on the important stuff, even if the players aren't on his "50 List" in the draft. Have the humility to press for a personnel guy, perhaps even publicly. Bowlen isn't going to do it.

cutthemdown
12-01-2010, 10:56 AM
I've never been an advocate of the ban unless it's directed at family. I went along with that one.

rugbythug
12-01-2010, 10:58 AM
Why don't you turn bthem off?

They are. My home computer wont keep the o mane cookie so I haave to login costantly. Still begs the question why do you need naked avy's. I know they have low self esteem from their posts but why the billboard.

cutthemdown
12-01-2010, 11:00 AM
Way to go with the football talk! I'm sure you're earning points somewhere. I agree we have some talent on D (which McD has done a decent job of upgrading) that could be coached but we need someone in leadership to focus on the D line in the draft.

Perhaps more importantly, we need seasoned leadership that can focus on managing talented personalities and making them better despite their flawed personalities. McPoopie deserves another year to show he can focus on the important stuff, even if the players aren't on his "50 List" in the draft. Have the humility to press for a personnel guy, perhaps even publicly. Bowlen isn't going to do it.

I think one problem is a young coach like Mcdaniels didn't have the coaching tree to draw on like many coaches. I'm hoping in the offseason Broncos manage to get some asst coaches that are better. I think Oline, ST, defense all need better coaching.

I really want Wade Phillips to coach the defense but I know a lot of fans here don't like him. I do. He's coached forever and will have good access to asst coaches for dline and dbacks etc etc. He's respected in the defensive community and can build a 3-4 out of non 3-4 players.

Draft Dareus and hire Phillips. Get doom back, sign a FA safety and I bet defense could improve enough to make people get excited. We should do whatever we have to do to get Marcel Dareus.

cutthemdown
12-01-2010, 11:01 AM
They are. My home computer wont keep the o mane cookie so I haave to login costantly. Still begs the question why do you need naked avy's. I know they have low self esteem from their posts but why the billboard.

You avy is a homo erotic painting of the President. :kiss:

HAT
12-01-2010, 11:01 AM
Jhns is one of the biggest douches on this site but it's painfully obvious that his 3 word post was nothing but sarcasm.

Are people really that dumb that they need a smilie or an /sarc on every single tongue-in-cheek post?

I didn't read Alec's entire OP but in addition to people mellowing out on each other, I hope to hell he called for a little skin-thickening as well.

People being such pansies is every bit the problem as people "attacking" others.

What a weak ban.

Beantown Bronco
12-01-2010, 11:02 AM
Well, this thread certainly confirmed one thing for me.

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cutthemdown
12-01-2010, 11:02 AM
Jhns is one of the biggest douches on this site but it's painfully obvious that his 3 word post was nothing but sarcasm.

Are people really that dumb that they need a smilie or an /sarc on every single tongue-in-cheek post?

I didn't read Alec's entire OP but in addition to people mellowing out on each other, I hope to hell he called for a little skin-thickening as well.

People being such pansies is every bit the problem as people "attacking" others.

What a weak ban.

**** off

rugbythug
12-01-2010, 11:08 AM
You avy is a homo erotic painting of the President. :kiss:

Its also hilarious

chawknz
12-01-2010, 11:08 AM
I don't start many threads here, and when I do they are generally to address the board in general, wishing happy thanksgivings and such and this one is no different. THis is a general plea to my fellow Bronco fans, please take the time to read it all.

Why are you all so mad? The Broncos are not very good, but you have no control over this, so why are you getting upset? Why are you people hating one another so vehemently over something that you could not possibly have any impact on?

Further, if you are so mad at this game, and this team, and this organization, why do you continue to watch? As a mad consumer, I refuse to give my business to companies who I deem to have done something that was against my wishes. It is the only way to hurt that company, so if you continue to watch a product you are not pleased with, that makes you, well, stupid. I don't mean to say that you are stupid people who continue to watch, but that you have made a stupid decision.

Also, if you are that emotional over a game, perhaps its time you step back and re-evaluate what is important in your life yes?



Strange that there's not much in your post that I agree with.

Yes, the Broncos are bad. For fans who dedicate so much time, passion, and yes, even money, it's very difficult not to get fired up about it. What's really sad though is when forum members start bashing other members, but that's a problem with moderation, not the team.

You ask: "Further, if you are so mad at this game, and this team, and this organization, why do you continue to watch?" - Well, I love football, I love the Broncos, and even though things are terrible, I still want my team to succeed and win, even if it takes a few more years. Any relationship will have their low periods and fights will occur, but that's no reason to give up on something you love.

You also say: "Also, if you are that emotional over a game, perhaps its time you step back and re-evaluate what is important in your life yes?" Seriously? People don't get emotional? You don't stand up and cheer when they score a touchdown? You don't get bummed out and/or get in a rotten mood the next day after an embarrassing loss? I find it hard to believe that you'd say no. If you don't then perhaps you just don't understand what it's like to be a passionate fan of something.

Now, the part that I fully agree with you on is the way board members handle other board members. It's almost impossible to read a 2+ page thread without seeing it disintegrate into a trollfest/bitchfest/hatefest. That's really the fault of the people who run these forums for letting things get out of hand like that. For a big community such as the Orangemane, it's sad to see a general hands off approach to the way threads are moderated.

It's almost to the point where I want to take my eyeballs elsewhere. I know the general response to that will be "Don't let the door hit ya.....", but it shouldn't have to be that way. This place needs mods and rules to prevent true conversation from boiling down into a trollfest because people don't know how to act. I only keep coming back because there are generally some very good posters here with insightful reads, but I rarely go past page 2 any more because it's never pretty.

baja
12-01-2010, 11:10 AM
**** off

I don't know but isn't TJ's job tough enough without this taunting?

SoDak Bronco
12-01-2010, 11:15 AM
not at all. he's clearly a Bronco fan and this is a discussion about Bronco fans. At any rate, I am sorry to hear people abused him. My grandparents had a German Shepherd when I was a kid whod been abused by previous owners (they found him in an alley as a puppy, got him taken care of by a vet and then had him for the rest of his life I love that dog, his name was Hobo). You could always tell because whenever my grams would come out and sweep the patio he would run and hide, he was afraid of the broom. When I think of people like that I get pretty angry. Thus my tirade on that Eagle who won't be named. And now I am taking this off topic. Sorry. At any rate your dog is gorgeous and clearly smart since he's a Bronco fan. ;D

You 2 need to get a room...;)

JK no neg rep please

HAT
12-01-2010, 11:18 AM
I don't know but isn't TJ's job tough enough without this taunting?

Taunting? lmao....Not.

It's called humor people. And besides, nobody knows what's hidden behind those asterisks. :thumbs:

Smiling Assassin27
12-01-2010, 11:19 AM
Draft Dareus and hire Phillips.

Depends. I'd put Fairley above Dareus on attitude alone.

Archer81
12-01-2010, 11:28 AM
The Broncos will figure it out. Nothing remains horrible or bad forever.

The crying about it though...that could end. I'd be fine with that.

:Broncos:

colonelbeef
12-01-2010, 11:47 AM
The Broncos will figure it out. Nothing remains horrible or bad forever.

The crying about it though...that could end. I'd be fine with that.

:Broncos:

You can't claim that the Broncos are headed in the right direction, that McDaniels is the savior for the franchise, that people posting to the contrary are incorrect- and then when this turns out to be incorrect, suddenly want the people who you were arguing with to shut it all down just because you don't want to hear it.

I am using 'you' as a generality here obviously, but you catch my drift.

If this team had turned out the exact opposite of what it currently is- say a super bowl contender instead of bottm 5 team in the NFL- people on here would be crowing day and night about how those who doubted McDaniels were wrong.

The fact that the team sucks is only magnified by the posters who were correct about it. The bottom line, and the underlying theme, is that the team is terrible. It all starts and ends there.

You really doubt that I wish none of this had taken place? That McDaniels hadn't instead worked it out with Cutler, made better personnel decisions across the board, conducted himself with greater foresight during the draft, and taken the tools given to him and built with them rather than stupidly tearing it all down and losing 16/21 like the under-prepared, arrogant ass that he so clearly is?

He didn't, he lost fans like me, the teams sucks as a result, and we were correct. To act as though the discourse is simply a result of certain fans enjoying this ****show is really disingenuous.

Rohirrim
12-01-2010, 11:56 AM
No kidding. Either he has discovered the miracle of modern meds, or he's matured beyond all imagining, or it was a trap to take out jhns, or all 3.

When I first met Alec on the OM, I assumed he was a survivalist living in a bunker with a ****load of canned food and assault rifles. Ha!

vancejohnson82
12-01-2010, 11:57 AM
You can't claim that the Broncos are headed in the right direction, that McDaniels is the savior for the franchise, that people posting to the contrary are incorrect- and then when this turns out to be incorrect, suddenly want the people who you were arguing with to shut it all down just because you don't want to hear it.

I am using 'you' as a generality here obviously, but you catch my drift.

If this team had turned out the exact opposite of what it currently is- say a super bowl contender instead of bottm 5 team in the NFL- people on here would be crowing day and night about how those who doubted McDaniels were wrong.

The fact that the team sucks is only magnified by the posters who were correct about it. The bottom line, and the underlying theme, is that the team is terrible. It all starts and ends there.

You really doubt that I wish none of this had taken place? That McDaniels hadn't instead worked it out with Cutler, made better personnel decisions across the board, conducted himself with greater foresight during the draft, and taken the tools given to him and built with them rather than stupidly tearing it all down and losing 16/21 like the under-prepared, arrogant ass that he so clearly is?

He didn't, he lost fans like me, the teams sucks as a result, and we were correct. To act as though the discourse is simply a result of certain fans enjoying this ****show is really disingenuous.

I'm sure he's underprepared....

oh well, this thread is dying a slow, painful death

colonelbeef
12-01-2010, 11:59 AM
I'm sure he's underprepared....

oh well, this thread is dying a slow, painful death

"I have a 100 person draft board"

-Josh McDaniels

Inkana7
12-01-2010, 12:00 PM
"I have a 100 person draft board"

-Josh McDaniels

That's not being under-prepared. That's knowing who you want.

Archer81
12-01-2010, 12:03 PM
You can't claim that the Broncos are headed in the right direction, that McDaniels is the savior for the franchise, that people posting to the contrary are incorrect- and then when this turns out to be incorrect, suddenly want the people who you were arguing with to shut it all down just because you don't want to hear it.

I am using 'you' as a generality here obviously, but you catch my drift.

If this team had turned out the exact opposite of what it currently is- say a super bowl contender instead of bottm 5 team in the NFL- people on here would be crowing day and night about how those who doubted McDaniels were wrong.

The fact that the team sucks is only magnified by the posters who were correct about it. The bottom line, and the underlying theme, is that the team is terrible. It all starts and ends there.

You really doubt that I wish none of this had taken place? That McDaniels hadn't instead worked it out with Cutler, made better personnel decisions across the board, conducted himself with greater foresight during the draft, and taken the tools given to him and built with them rather than stupidly tearing it all down and losing 16/21 like the under-prepared, arrogant ass that he so clearly is?

He didn't, he lost fans like me, the teams sucks as a result, and we were correct. To act as though the discourse is simply a result of certain fans enjoying this ****show is really disingenuous.


The team will suck when you blow it up. New systems, new players. I was guessing high with 9 or 10 wins. Clearly I overestimated where the team is. Losing my **** because of bad losses or nonsensical "spygate II" articles or crying about players that did not want to be here or were a headache to the franchise wont change the fact that the team is not what I thought it would be in year two.

**** happens. It wont be 8-8, 13-3, 12-4 and a superbowl win with every coach the team brings in.

:Broncos:

vancejohnson82
12-01-2010, 12:04 PM
That's not being under-prepared. That's knowing who you want.

I can see the argument map of where this is going...

Moreno -- bust ---- not enough time to tell ---- Hillis
Alphonso --- shouldnt have traded him --- he wasnt doing well here --- look in Detroit ---- he got smoked on Thanksgiving --- we've lost 16/21
we started 6-0 ----- he ran around like a little punk ---- he brought energy to the team ---- he's lost 16/21 and shipped out Cutler and Hillis...
Hillis can't block....our whole team can't block....you're a troll....**ck off

both banned

HAT
12-01-2010, 12:04 PM
You can't claim that the Broncos are headed in the right direction, that McDaniels is the savior for the franchise, that people posting to the contrary are incorrect- and then when this turns out to be incorrect, suddenly want the people who you were arguing with to shut it all down just because you don't want to hear it.

I am using 'you' as a generality here obviously, but you catch my drift.

If this team had turned out the exact opposite of what it currently is- say a super bowl contender instead of bottm 5 team in the NFL- people on here would be crowing day and night about how those who doubted McDaniels were wrong.

The fact that the team sucks is only magnified by the posters who were correct about it. The bottom line, and the underlying theme, is that the team is terrible. It all starts and ends there.

You really doubt that I wish none of this had taken place? That McDaniels hadn't instead worked it out with Cutler, made better personnel decisions across the board, conducted himself with greater foresight during the draft, and taken the tools given to him and built with them rather than stupidly tearing it all down and losing 16/21 like the under-prepared, arrogant ass that he so clearly is?

He didn't, he lost fans like me, the teams sucks as a result, and we were correct. To act as though the discourse is simply a result of certain fans enjoying this ****show is really disingenuous.

Thing is though 'beef....Some of us who don't want McD fired are not 'defending' McD the person. Just the idea that firing ANY HC inside of 3 years is a dangerous road to travel.

People can talk about 'not seeing progress' or 'going backwards' all they want but nobody knows that the Broncos aren't a playoff team next year. If they are not, fine. Blow it up and start over. But at least then the FO will have a better idea of the Tebow situation and know where to start from.

Inkana7
12-01-2010, 12:07 PM
Thing is though 'beef....Some of us who don't want McD fired are not 'defending' McD the person. Just the idea that firing ANY HC inside of 3 years is a dangerous road to travel.

People can talk about 'not seeing progress' or 'going backwards' all they want but nobody knows that the Broncos aren't a playoff team next year. If they are not, fine. Blow it up and start over. But at least then the FO will have a better idea of the Tebow situation and know where to start from.

Yup, this is pretty much it.

colonelbeef
12-01-2010, 12:07 PM
Thing is though 'beef....Some of us who don't want McD fired are not 'defending' McD the person. Just the idea that firing ANY HC inside of 3 years is a dangerous road to travel.

People can talk about 'not seeing progress' or 'going backwards' all they want but nobody knows that the Broncos aren't a playoff team next year. If they are not, fine. Blow it up and start over. But at least then the FO will have a better idea of the Tebow situation and know where to start from.

I have been saying 3 years for a while, so I will stick by that, although the outright stupidity displayed via the spygate 2 shenanigans really blew his chances for redemption in my eyes...

Still, I can't say I disagree w/ giving him 3 years, as painful as it will likely be for the franchise. Long term, it's good for the organization to show that they are willing to stick behind a coach even during a downturn as awful as this one has been imo

vancejohnson82
12-01-2010, 12:09 PM
I have been saying 3 years for a while, so I will stick by that, although the outright stupidity displayed via the spygate 2 shenanigans really blew his chances for redemption in my eyes...

Still, I can't say I disagree w/ giving him 3 years, as painful as it will likely be for the franchise. Long term, it's good for the organization to show that they are willing to stick behind a coach even during a downturn as awful as this one has been imo

i support this post....

Rock Chalk
12-01-2010, 12:09 PM
No kidding. Either he has discovered the miracle of modern meds, or he's matured beyond all imagining, or it was a trap to take out jhns, or all 3.

3 daughters.

As for jhns, he doesnt bother me. I put him on ignore so I dont know what he said or why he got banned. I have never intentionally tried to get anyone banned except Bob, but let's face it, he's Bob and no one really likes him.

Lev Vyvanse
12-01-2010, 12:12 PM
Still, I can't say I disagree w/ giving him 3 years, as painful as it will likely be for the franchise. Long term, it's good for the organization to show that they are willing to stick behind a coach even during a downturn as awful as this one has been imo

I agree with this 100%. My problem is what if there is a lockout and his third season is two years from now?

Rabb
12-01-2010, 12:14 PM
I agree with this 100%. My problem is what if there is a lockout and his third season is two years from now?

well we can't suck in a season we don't play right?

vancejohnson82
12-01-2010, 12:15 PM
maybe with that extra year he can get 200 people on his draft board

Spider
12-01-2010, 12:17 PM
The team will suck when you blow it up. New systems, new players. I was guessing high with 9 or 10 wins. Clearly I overestimated where the team is. Losing my **** because of bad losses or nonsensical "spygate II" articles or crying about players that did not want to be here or were a headache to the franchise wont change the fact that the team is not what I thought it would be in year two.

**** happens. It wont be 8-8, 13-3, 12-4 and a superbowl win with every coach the team brings in.

:Broncos: of course , but this is more then that ..... when a fake punt in the 1 st quarter causes your team to fall part , you got serious troubles in the coaching ranks ,case in point , the scripted 15 plays , works wonders , then when we get away from that and what ? limp dick city is what

colonelbeef
12-01-2010, 12:18 PM
I agree with this 100%. My problem is what if there is a lockout and his third season is two years from now?

Lets say he wins 5+ games this year and there is a lockout.... he gets 1 more year after the lockout I suppose. Trade Orton for picks or DL help, see what you have in Tebow in 2010.

If they lose out or scrap only 1 game, I think that coupled with a lockout will be the end of him, simply because it would be hard to get the fanbase excited after a year off, coming off of a 4-12 season....

Lev Vyvanse
12-01-2010, 12:18 PM
well we can't suck in a season we don't play right?

Another year of personnel decisions could hurt a lot.

Archer81
12-01-2010, 12:24 PM
of course , but this is more then that ..... when a fake punt in the 1 st quarter causes your team to fall part , you got serious troubles in the coaching ranks ,case in point , the scripted 15 plays , works wonders , then when we get away from that and what ? limp dick city is what


Team lacks leaders. Champ is an awesome player, but he wont freak out at the defense for giving up big plays. Thats not his personality. You would think it would be Dawkins, but he has been hurt so often this season. Mays could be one, in the mold of Al Wilson if the team keeps him in the middle. Orton is not a firey guy either. Knowshon is, but again he is banged up and only a 2nd year player. Despite the shrieking to the contrary, this team has alot of young guys on it. It has alot of new faces on it. Will that change if McDaniels gets a year 3? I think it will.

:Broncos:

Spider
12-01-2010, 12:27 PM
Team lacks leaders. Champ is an awesome player, but he wont freak out at the defense for giving up big plays. Thats not his personality. You would think it would be Dawkins, but he has been hurt so often this season. Mays could be one, in the mold of Al Wilson if the team keeps him in the middle. Orton is not a firey guy either. Knowshon is, but again he is banged up and only a 2nd year player. Despite the shrieking to the contrary, this team has alot of young guys on it. It has alot of new faces on it. Will that change if McDaniels gets a year 3? I think it will.

:Broncos:
meh dont buy it Orton is a leader ,Dawkins is to ..........try again

colonelbeef
12-01-2010, 12:28 PM
Team lacks leaders. Champ is an awesome player, but he wont freak out at the defense for giving up big plays. Thats not his personality. You would think it would be Dawkins, but he has been hurt so often this season. Mays could be one, in the mold of Al Wilson if the team keeps him in the middle. Orton is not a firey guy either. Knowshon is, but again he is banged up and only a 2nd year player. Despite the shrieking to the contrary, this team has alot of young guys on it. It has alot of new faces on it. Will that change if McDaniels gets a year 3? I think it will.

:Broncos:

Okay- so by your reasoning successful teams have good leaders, correct?

In Chicago, Jay Cutler is a leader on the team, a team that happens to be in first place in a much tougher division than the AFC West.

So what you are saying is that in order for this team to be more successful, McDaniels needs more players who are willing to take leadership roles, like Jay Cutler?

Leadership is way overrated in the NFL. Plenty of good teams have won with questionable characters running the show. It all comes down to good coaching mixing with physically talented players, period.

We have neither. George Patton couldn't do jack squat with this team.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
12-01-2010, 12:34 PM
Okay- so by your reasoning successful teams have good leaders, correct?

In Chicago, Jay Cutler is a leader on the team, a team that happens to be in first place in a much tougher division than the AFC West.

So what you are saying is that in order for this team to be more successful, McDaniels needs more players who are willing to take leadership roles, like Jay Cutler?

Leadership is way overrated in the NFL. Plenty of good teams have won with questionable characters running the show. It all comes down to good coaching mixing with physically talented players, period.

We have neither. George Patton couldn't do jack squat with this team.

Nice stretch.

colonelbeef
12-01-2010, 12:36 PM
Nice stretch.

chris kenney is the one making the stretch by blaming this teamfail on a 'lack of leadership'

leadership is probably 11th on the list of things that have gone wrong here

cutthemdown
12-01-2010, 12:37 PM
Depends. I'd put Fairley above Dareus on attitude alone.

I like Fairley as well. Just get one of them.

Archer81
12-01-2010, 12:43 PM
Okay- so by your reasoning successful teams have good leaders, correct?

In Chicago, Jay Cutler is a leader on the team, a team that happens to be in first place in a much tougher division than the AFC West.
So what you are saying is that in order for this team to be more successful, McDaniels needs more players who are willing to take leadership roles, like Jay Cutler?

Leadership is way overrated in the NFL. Plenty of good teams have won with questionable characters running the show. It all comes down to good coaching mixing with physically talented players, period.

We have neither. George Patton couldn't do jack squat with this team.

Right...

Im sure the offense in chicago is so efficient and tightly run because of the leadership of jay cutler...

Leadership is not overrated. Its a necessary component. If you dont have it, you struggle. You can blame the coach for everything and anything, but he doesnt play at the end of the day.

Recent superbowl winners- NO, Indi, Pitt, NE, NYG had coaches on the field. That is what leadership is.

:Broncos:

Malcontent
12-01-2010, 12:50 PM
3 daughters.

As for jhns, he doesnt bother me. I put him on ignore so I dont know what he said or why he got banned. I have never intentionally tried to get anyone banned except Bob, but let's face it, he's Bob and no one really likes him.

Wuzzup Alec!..Donkeyshow here....Great f*cking thread...Peace out!

TheElusiveKyleOrton
12-01-2010, 12:57 PM
chris kenney is the one making the stretch by blaming this teamfail on a 'lack of leadership'

leadership is probably 11th on the list of things that have gone wrong here

But it IS on the list, no?

Your stretch was claiming leadership from Jay Cutler.

Rohirrim
12-01-2010, 01:01 PM
But it IS on the list, no?

Your stretch was claiming leadership from Jay Cutler.

No doubt. All I remember from Jay was him throwing a pick and then sitting on the bench by himself, moping.

cutthemdown
12-01-2010, 01:03 PM
Well Bears give up 15 points a game people. What would our record be if we have up 15 points a game?

Exactly. Fix the defense and lets not worry about Cutler so much. He will soon face Jets, NE, GB I think. So I am looking forward to watching those games. I can't lie I love to watch him mope and hate to see him win. Hell thats all I need to fall in love with a football game.

See we still have some stuff to watch!!!

Heres to the draft!!!! may it bring a DE a DT and an ILB.

cutthemdown
12-01-2010, 01:05 PM
If Mcdaniels does get to go another yr he would be wise to try and trade a pick the next yr for more this yr. Anything to get players that could get him a win, save his job.

I would try and get Fairly or Dareus for sure.

Hogan11
12-01-2010, 01:05 PM
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It just depends on how you find to hang out with. Guys like TailGateNut and Meck will cheer their asses off, put up a great spread before the game, cheer their asses off during the game and then come back and post on the OM what a frustrating time it can be at a Broncos game. I don't agree with everything they say, and I know that they don't agree with everything I say (I am pro Tewbow ;))... but you won't see people like us being disrespectful of each other. We've spent time together, ate great cajun food together, and watched many a game at =nvesco together. There is a trust between us and even if I Like tebow and TGN does not, we can post, disagree and let it be. He isn't gonna go chasibg me through a bunch of threads saying that my opinion suck. Nor would I do that to him. I think that trust was started by meeting up with guys at Broncos games, so if you have the opportunity to meet some fellow maners, you should take it!

Have you ever noticed that the people who cause the most issues on the board are also the ones who never go to any of the tailgates?

Just an observation is all, I now return you to your regularly scheduled programming.