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lostknight
11-29-2010, 01:07 PM
Fox Sport's Glazer is making a number of new assertions yesterday - that Scarnecchia was actually caught by the NFL while video-taping. If that's the case, putting that together with what the NFL has reported, it actually looks like the NFL might have been running a sting targeted at McDaniels. If they knew about the video taping prior to McDaniels knowing about it, but McDaniels still turned it down, all of a sudden it makes perfect sense why the NFL is so convinced that McDaniels did the right thing, even though they only have Josh's word on that. It also explains why the NFL might not want this story to have legs.

Edit: Want to make sure people realize that the second meeting I am talking about occurred on Friday. McDaniels did not threaten anyone with firing prior to the investigation - at least, not for this -
The second set of things reported is that Josh apparently took the coaching staff in front of a come to Jesus meeting with Pat Bowlen - and apparently lit into them after Oakland. Josh informed his staff on Friday, and someone pretty immediately told Kreiger and Lego, and thus the story leaked. Apparently during the meeting Josh actually threatened to fire anyone who leaked it - saying that Jobs were on the line.

lostknight
11-29-2010, 01:08 PM
Video is here:
http://msn.foxsports.com/video/shows/nfl-on-fox?vid=da427a28-7510-460c-b717-87849c3ef6dd

DBroncos4life
11-29-2010, 01:11 PM
From the first day with the Cutler issue I knew our FO was a mess and couldn't keep things from being leaked.

PRBronco
11-29-2010, 01:12 PM
Re: first paragraph: Holy ****.

Re: second paragraph: That's how it works, when you fail at your job, your boss yells at you. Someone's butt got hurt. The team has much bigger problems. Like getting new safeties.

bendog
11-29-2010, 01:15 PM
But IF McDaniels told the staff to hide a rules violation from the League, doesn't the league have to do more than just fine a hundred K. If one employee took the tape on his own, and if McDaniels individually failed to report it and fire the employee, I can see the lightness of the penalty. I'm not sure I buy the "sting" angle, but it does fit with the lightness of the penalty.

But if the Broncos actually tried to cover it up by threatening to fire people, then I don't see how League can let them off that easily.

crush17
11-29-2010, 01:18 PM
They weren't covering up anything, they fired the guy and then told the rest of the coaches to keep their mouths shut because the NFL was already handling the situation and there was a chance that nothing would ever get out about it.

Kaylore
11-29-2010, 01:18 PM
Re: first paragraph: Holy ****.

Re: second paragraph: That's how it works, when you fail at your job, your boss yells at you. Someone's butt got hurt. The team has much bigger problems. Like getting new safeties.

This.

2KBack
11-29-2010, 01:20 PM
But IF McDaniels told the staff to hide a rules violation from the League, doesn't the league have to do more than just fine a hundred K. If one employee took the tape on his own, and if McDaniels individually failed to report it and fire the employee, I can see the lightness of the penalty. I'm not sure I buy the "sting" angle, but it does fit with the lightness of the penalty.

But if the Broncos actually tried to cover it up by threatening to fire people, then I don't see how League can let them off that easily.

I would venture to guess in this situation the threat wasn't to keep someone from leaking to the NFL, but rather to the press.

lostknight
11-29-2010, 01:20 PM
But IF McDaniels told the staff to hide a rules violation from the League, doesn't the league have to do more than just fine a hundred K. If one employee took the tape on his own, and if McDaniels individually failed to report it and fire the employee, I can see the lightness of the penalty. I'm not sure I buy the "sting" angle, but it does fit with the lightness of the penalty.

But if the Broncos actually tried to cover it up by threatening to fire people, then I don't see how League can let them off that easily.

I clarified it above, but it sounds like Josh threatened to fire people for leaking news of the fines and the video-recording. Why? Take a look at the tempest Saturday morning for why. The news came out before the organization was ready, and the NFL did a hasty last minute press conference to defuse the situation before it escalated ala spygate. Of course, it immediately leaked like a sieve.

Mr.Meanie
11-29-2010, 01:21 PM
Fox Sport's Glazer is making a number of new assertions yesterday - that Scarnecchia was actually caught by the NFL while video-taping. If that's the case, putting that together with what the NFL has reported, it actually looks like the NFL might have been running a sting targeted at McDaniels. If they knew about the video taping prior to McDaniels knowing about it, but McDaniels still turned it down, all of a sudden it makes perfect sense why the NFL is so convinced that McDaniels did the right thing, even though they only have Josh's word on that. It also explains why the NFL might not want this story to have legs.

Holy crap, that would be crazy.

Dr. Broncenstein
11-29-2010, 01:22 PM
At least it can't get any worse, right?

TonyR
11-29-2010, 01:24 PM
Fox Sport's Glazer is making a number of new assertions yesterday - that Scarnecchia was actually caught by the NFL while video-taping. If that's the case, putting that together with what the NFL has reported, it actually looks like the NFL might have been running a sting targeted at McDaniels.

If it was a "sting operation" Scarnecchia would be a plant, right? Doing what the NFL asked to see if McD would go along? And if this is the case, why would there be any fines? Want to make sure I understand what you're saying since i can't view the video at work...

PRBronco
11-29-2010, 01:27 PM
At least it can't get any worse, right?

Lol, this has gotten into "at least I don't have AIDS!" territory. ^5

lostknight
11-29-2010, 01:28 PM
If it was a "sting operation" Scarnecchia would be a plant, right? Doing what the NFL asked to see if McD would go along? Want to make sure I understand what you're saying since i can't view the video at work...

Knowingly or unknowingly, yes that would be the case.

lostknight
11-29-2010, 01:30 PM
If it was a "sting operation" Scarnecchia would be a plant, right? Doing what the NFL asked to see if McD would go along? And if this is the case, why would there be any fines? Want to make sure I understand what you're saying since i can't view the video at work...

Because Josh still didn't report it until he was forced too - a clear violation of the ethics rules the NFL has. That ethic rule is there because it makes it too easy to coverup otherwise, but if the NFL already knew that Josh didn't watch the tape, they can slap him on the hand for the rule, and not assume the worst case - which is consistent with the punishment metted out.

bendog
11-29-2010, 01:30 PM
yeah, ok. It couldn't have been a sting since a guy lost his job. But yeah I can see the punishment is appropriate if all McD did was fail to immediately report it, and then threaten to fire for a press leak. But still, his staff is turning on him, and he threw them under the bus in front of Bowlen after Oakland. Not good.

lostknight
11-29-2010, 01:31 PM
yeah, ok. It couldn't have been a sting since a guy lost his job. But yeah I can see the punishment is appropriate if all McD did was fail to immediately report it, and then threaten to fire for a press leak. But still, his staff is turning on him, and he threw them under the bus in front of Bowlen after Oakland. Not good.

Success has a thousand fathers, failure is a miserable orphan. There are a lot of people who don't want to be associated with McDaniels right now.

bendog
11-29-2010, 01:33 PM
yeah, but speaking from experience, I will work hard for a guy who has my back, but I don't do anything beyond the minimum for a guy who blames me for a system wide failure. No one should expect top talent coaches to want anything to do with this team, unless they are pretty insulated from having to deal with the guy.

TonyR
11-29-2010, 01:36 PM
Success has a thousand fathers, failure is a miserable orphan. There are a lot of people who don't want to be associated with McDaniels right now.

Completely agree, but at the same time if this new angle is true people that accused McD of lying and being a cheater should backtrack on those accusations and admit that they jumped to conclusions.

Mr.Meanie
11-29-2010, 01:40 PM
Completely agree, but at the same time if this new angle is true people that accused McD of lying and being a cheater should backtrack on those accusations and admit that they jumped to conclusions.

While we're playing this game... I should win the lottery, and Chiefs fans should not sleep with their sisters.

lostknight
11-29-2010, 01:40 PM
Completely agree, but at the same time if this new angle is true people that accused McD of lying and being a cheater should backtrack on those accusations and admit that they jumped to conclusions.

Honestly, the idea that Josh would do this is not consistent with who we know he is - a hard-headed person who is convinced that he knows far more then anyone else around him - and that he doesn't need to cheat, because he is already smarter then everyone else.

That is consistent with both decisions - not to watch the video tape, and also not to report it despite NFL regulations.

It doesn't change the fact that he put the franchise at risk.

frerottenextelway
11-29-2010, 01:44 PM
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Mile High Shack
11-29-2010, 01:46 PM
Jay Glazer needs to stick to doing his MMA stuff, that video I just watched made me want to punch him in the face.

I'm not sticking up for McD, but it sounds like all innuendo and conjecture

Mr.Meanie
11-29-2010, 01:46 PM
Honestly, the idea that Josh would do this is not consistent with who we know he is - a hard-headed person who is convinced that he knows far more then anyone else around him - and that he doesn't need to cheat, because he is already smarter then everyone else.

That is consistent with both decisions - not to watch the video tape, and also not to report it despite NFL regulations.

It doesn't change the fact that he put the franchise at risk.

That's because your preconcieved viewpoints influence your interpretation of the facts.

Fact#1 - it is said by everyone involved in the situation he did not watch the tape.
Fact#2 - he did not report the violation promptly

If you don't like him, you are going to think he didn't watch it because he's hardheaded and doesn't feel like he needs any edge, he is his own edge. And that he is a complete unethical fraud because he didn't report the violation immediately.

If you like him you may think he did the honorable thing by not watching the tape, and then not ratting out his friend the minute he left the room, believing this was an abberation and forgive/forget.

Or if you're bat-**** stupid, you think there is a huge conspiracy and everyone involved is lying to protect him even though everyone hates him.

Preconcieved notions filter all the facts and form our conclusions accordingly.

Beantown Bronco
11-29-2010, 01:54 PM
yeah, ok. It couldn't have been a sting since a guy lost his job.

Sure it can. If it really was a matter of them catching Scarnechia in the act, they could've threatened fine + lifetime ban if he didn't cooperate with the sting or simply a temp ban with no fine if he did. Something like that.

SouthStndJunkie
11-29-2010, 01:54 PM
At least it can't get any worse, right?

It could be worse for Josh:

"Nice to see you HungJoshMcD34, why don't you have a seat over there?"

oubronco
11-29-2010, 01:59 PM
This just isn't going to go away is it

bendog
11-29-2010, 02:23 PM
Nope it won't. And the real reason is that McD really po'd his assts dressing them down in a public humiliation in front of Bowlen that somehow was intended to appease the owner and make it appear McD had the ship headed in the right direction.

The assts won't get offers elsewhere in the offseason if there's a lockout. But Dove Valley is a toxic place now. The real story is that there are guys with sharp knives behind McD's back, and he put them there.

fontaine
11-29-2010, 02:58 PM
Nope it won't. And the real reason is that McD really po'd his assts dressing them down in a public humiliation in front of Bowlen that somehow was intended to appease the owner and make it appear McD had the ship headed in the right direction.

The assts won't get offers elsewhere in the offseason if there's a lockout. But Dove Valley is a toxic place now. The real story is that there are guys with sharp knives behind McD's back, and he put them there.

This is crazy. I could vaguely, somewhat understand McDaniels not getting along with Shanahan holdovers like Dennison/Turner but THIS is his hand picked staff and if he's douchebagging them in front of the owner then I can't see how senior, respected assistants around the league would want to come to Denver and get a job here with a rookie head coach throwing tantrums to save his job.

I'm already not looking forward to the offseason.

Broncos_OTM
11-29-2010, 03:04 PM
Whats worse, veteran NFL FA's who'd want to come to this mess

frerottenextelway
11-29-2010, 03:12 PM
Is Shanahan's lie detector still in Dove Valley?

bendog
11-29-2010, 03:12 PM
This is crazy. I could vaguely, somewhat understand McDaniels not getting along with Shanahan holdovers like Dennison/Turner but THIS is his hand picked staff and if he's douchebagging them in front of the owner then I can't see how senior, respected assistants around the league would want to come to Denver and get a job here with a rookie head coach throwing tantrums to save his job.

I'm already not looking forward to the offseason.

Exactly. He hired them so normally they'd have loyalty to him, but not if he really ripped them in front of the owner. So, he's made enemies on his own staff, and he can't get new guys who can get offers from teams without HC's ripping them in front of owners. I don't see how he can get past this to move forward in a positive way. And I think that's really too bad for the Broncos. It's not in the organizations interest to have staff turnover like this, but I can't see a way Bowlen can keep him now.

theAPAOps5
11-29-2010, 03:25 PM
This.

x2

TheElusiveKyleOrton
11-29-2010, 03:36 PM
Nope it won't. And the real reason is that McD really po'd his assts dressing them down in a public humiliation in front of Bowlen that somehow was intended to appease the owner and make it appear McD had the ship headed in the right direction.

The assts won't get offers elsewhere in the offseason if there's a lockout. But Dove Valley is a toxic place now. The real story is that there are guys with sharp knives behind McD's back, and he put them there.

You must work inside the building to have such a deep knowledge of what's going on, eh? Or do you have your own anonymous sources?

By the way: yelling at a guy for not getting a job done in front of the boss behind closed doors is not "public" humiliation. And further, they should have known it was coming.

bendog
11-29-2010, 03:38 PM
You must work inside the building to have such a deep knowledge of what's going on, eh? Or do you have your own anonymous sources?

By the way: yelling at a guy for not getting a job done in front of the boss behind closed doors is not "public" humiliation. And further, they should have known it was coming.

And you are ... blind and fooling yourself because you are ... stupid and lack working as a professional in a well run organization.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
11-29-2010, 03:44 PM
And you are ... blind and fooling yourself because you are ... stupid and lack working as a professional in a well run organization.

And you are... claiming to know things you don't actually know. Both about me and about the franchise we both root for.

But I'M stupid. Got it. LOL

Garcia Bronco
11-29-2010, 04:02 PM
Jay Glazer needs to stick to doing his MMA stuff, that video I just watched made me want to punch him in the face.

I'm not sticking up for McD, but it sounds like all innuendo and conjecture

It really is.

Gort
11-29-2010, 04:12 PM
so this was leaked to the Denver Post, the hometown paper, who then rushed to break the story before either McD or Bowlen or the NFL were ready to deal with it? ...knowing full well how much harm it could do to the team and franchise right now?? well then i say F U to the Denver Post. what a bunch of assholes. if i worked at Dove Valley, i'd revoke all of their press credentials and cut off all access to the team. what a bunch of wankers. the bankruptcy of the Denver Post can't come soon enough as far as i am concerned.

Dr. Broncenstein
11-29-2010, 04:13 PM
Censorship is the answer.

bendog
11-29-2010, 04:19 PM
THE DPO should never tell us what goes on in dove valley if it's negative towards the broncos

Mr. Elway
11-29-2010, 04:20 PM
Jay Glazer is what Josina Anderson aspires to be.

Popps
11-29-2010, 05:28 PM
Jay Glazer is what Josina Anderson aspires to be.

Ughk! That brought some horrible imagery to mind.

tsiguy96
11-29-2010, 05:33 PM
THE DPO should never tell us what goes on in dove valley if it's negative towards the broncos

thats what they did in the 60s and 70s.

Archer81
11-29-2010, 05:36 PM
Jay Glazer...I watched that little rant live. As far as I know he is the only one to say the NFL caught the dude filming San Fran. I am sure the NFL release would have alluded to it. So I call shenanigans right there.

Also...the bit about ripping the coaching staff after the Oak game had nothing to do with the topic on hand. Hit piece by some prick who's head reflects the sun and can be seen from space.

:Broncos:

TonyR
11-29-2010, 05:48 PM
...McD really po'd his assts dressing them down in a public humiliation in front of Bowlen that somehow was intended to appease the owner and make it appear McD had the ship headed in the right direction.


Aren't you assuming too much here? Maybe just a little? First, we don't know for sure if it even happened. Even assuming it did, which perhaps is a somewhat safe assumption, we don't know how it went down. In other words, McD may not have excluded himself from the blame. In other words, he may have said "we" need to do a better job and not "you" need to do a better job. You don't have to like McD but you also don't always have to bend over backwards to assume the worst about him.

eddie mac
11-29-2010, 06:01 PM
I must've missed the memo with the list of talented coaches on this team.

For the life of me I thought the likes of Dennison, Heimerdinger (hope you pull through man) and Nolan were long gone.

Last time I checked we were littered with no-named puppies of McD, and 2 coaches dumped by the Chefs and Chargers.

eddie mac
11-29-2010, 06:06 PM
Whats worse, veteran NFL FA's who'd want to come to this mess

It's the NFL ffs. High priced FA's have been joining **** teams for years for the money.

It's very rare now to find a good player choose a team over another when money is not involved unless it comes down to uprooting your family for a few $$ more.

jayman_37
11-29-2010, 06:26 PM
Re: first paragraph: Holy ****.

Re: second paragraph: That's how it works, when you fail at your job, your boss yells at you. Someone's butt got hurt. The team has much bigger problems. Like getting new safeties.

Yeah, but I don't think that you can do it in front of the owner. That seems like an a-hole move.

epicSocialism4tw
11-29-2010, 07:04 PM
Ughk! That brought some horrible imagery to mind.

http://furiousfanboys.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/ugly-klint.jpg

TonyR
11-30-2010, 09:49 AM
Is Glazer sticking with this story? No updates?