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Spider
11-29-2010, 06:34 AM
.......... Oh well

Dr. Broncenstein
11-29-2010, 06:36 AM
The thread title is gold.

Goobzilla
11-29-2010, 06:40 AM
I don't blame him for the loss, but when we got the ball back I felt we weren't going to pull it out.

wolf754life
11-29-2010, 07:05 AM
his stats are amazing!

jhns
11-29-2010, 07:15 AM
Garbage Time Stats Orton isn't the reason this team is losing. He is just part of the reason this team is losing...

lostknight
11-29-2010, 07:22 AM
And lets start out a thread with name-calling.After all, anyone who disagrees with me must be a dumbass.

jmz313
11-29-2010, 07:34 AM
It's Not his fault, the whole team sucks.

bronclvr
11-29-2010, 07:42 AM
I like Orton as a person, and I think he is a pretty good Quarterback, but-I've never had the feeling that he could bring us back from a double digit deficit-he's good, but I'm not sure I think he's even in the running for a GOAT bid, and I've never heard him in the same discussion as a Brady or a Manning.

TailgateNut
11-29-2010, 09:22 AM
I like Orton as a person, and I think he is a pretty good Quarterback, but-I've never had the feeling that he could bring us back from a double digit deficit-he's good, but I'm not sure I think he's even in the running for a GOAT bid, and I've never heard him in the same discussion as a Brady or a Manning.

The same Manning who threw 4 PICKS in his comeback attempt? That one?

....and re your feeling. Orton was on his way to erasing that double digit deficit....

jhns
11-29-2010, 09:28 AM
Orton was on his way to erasing that double digit deficit....

And then the game got close and he pulled an Orton... King Garbage Time strikes again!

bronco militia
11-29-2010, 09:29 AM
Orton is so awesome the Broncos traded for Brady Quinn and drafted Tim Tebow

Beantown Bronco
11-29-2010, 09:36 AM
Orton is so awesome the Broncos traded for Brady Quinn and drafted Tim Tebow

What an odd post. C'mon Militia, you're better than this.

Quinn was drafted to replace Simms as our #2. He was never a real threat to take over the #1 spot. And Tebow? He was obviously drafted as the QBOTF, but that was based off of 2009 Orton and obviously before Orton and McD's system really started to click. I'm willing to bet that if McD had the chance to draft Tebow this year instead of last, he wouldn't do it.

ant1999e
11-29-2010, 09:37 AM
And lets start out a thread with name-calling.After all, anyone who disagrees with me must be a dumbass.

Lostknight, changing the Mane one thread at a time.:flower::peace:

go_broncos
11-29-2010, 09:43 AM
if we just see stats and not watch game..then you will think Orton is not the issue.
Orton is the best QB when the game is out of reach..
He sucks every time when there is pressure.
Hopefully, he gets traded once Mcd is fired.

TailgateNut
11-29-2010, 09:44 AM
Orton is so awesome the Broncos traded for Brady Quinn and drafted Tim Tebow


Maybe they should have gone into the season with Simms as backup? Considering your knowledge of football and the internal workings/decisions of the Bronco organization, I should just believe your take that the ONLY reason they drafted Tebow and got that piece of useless flesh named Quinn was because Orton sucked.ROFL!

Beantown Bronco
11-29-2010, 09:46 AM
if we just see stats and not watch game..then you will think Orton is not the issue.
Orton is the best QB when the game is out of reach..
He sucks every time when there is pressure.
Hopefully, he gets traded once Mcd is fired.

Yup, there was no pressure on him in the 4th quarter yesterday for those two long TD drives.

Yup, there was no pressure on him when he made that perfect 2 pt conversion throw to Gaffney, who promptly dropped it....which nobody mentions, changed the entire complexion of the next two drives.

Yup, there was no pressure on him in that last drive when Graham couldn't secure that nice pass that would've extended the drive and got us close to scoring range.

Yup, there was no pressure on him constantly all game long, as usual, as the OLine somehow let the St Louis DLine beat double teams.

bronco militia
11-29-2010, 09:47 AM
What an odd post. C'mon Militia, you're better than this.

Quinn was drafted to replace Simms as our #2. He was never a real threat to take over the #1 spot. And Tebow? He was obviously drafted as the QBOTF, but that was based off of 2009 Orton and obviously before Orton and McD's system really started to click. I'm willing to bet that if McD had the chance to draft Tebow this year instead of last, he wouldn't do it.

odd post? I've been consistant with my opinion on Orton since last year.

Orton would be a fine back up on most teams.

Beantown Bronco
11-29-2010, 09:54 AM
odd post? I've been consistant with my opinion on Orton since last year.


I understand that your opinion has been consistent. Normally you just provide better support for your arguments.

TailgateNut
11-29-2010, 09:55 AM
odd post? I've been consistant with my opinion on Orton since last year.Orton would be a fine back up on most teams.

So, you admit that ignorance can't be cured.

bronco militia
11-29-2010, 10:04 AM
Maybe they should have gone into the season with Simms as backup? Considering your knowledge of football and the internal workings/decisions of the Bronco organization, I should just believe your take that the ONLY reason they drafted Tebow and got that piece of useless flesh named Quinn was because Orton sucked.ROFL!

I don't know how the internal working go at Dove Valley and never claimed so. The broncos traded and drafted a QB in the offseason, therefore I'll go out on limb and say they were not happy with the play of their QBs in 2009.

Goobzilla
11-29-2010, 10:05 AM
The same Manning who threw 4 PICKS in his comeback attempt? That one?

....and re your feeling. Orton was on his way to erasing that double digit deficit....

Yeah that Manning sure does suck :rolleyes:

TailgateNut
11-29-2010, 10:07 AM
I don't know how the internal working go at Dove Valley and never claimed so. The broncos traded and drafted a QB in the offseason, therefore I'll go out on limb and say they were not happy with the play of their QBs in 2009.

....and who was the backup prior to the trade and draft??

nuff said!

bronco militia
11-29-2010, 10:07 AM
So, you admit that ignorance can't be cured.

If you enjoy watching Kyle Orton then so be it. Some of us have see enough

bronco militia
11-29-2010, 10:10 AM
....and who was the backup prior to the trade and draft??

nuff said!

they gave Kyle a ONE year extension on his contract after he became the clear #1 in training camp.

The broncos could shut me up by offering him a multi year deal following this season or next. But I don't see that happening

TailgateNut
11-29-2010, 10:10 AM
If you enjoy watching Kyle Orton then so be it. Some of us have see enough


is that why you have a "raging Teboner"?Hilarious!

epicSocialism4tw
11-29-2010, 10:12 AM
odd post? I've been consistant with my opinion on Orton since last year.

Orton would be a fine back up on most teams.

He's a locked-in Orton supporter.

His opinion is no better or worse than yours.

Beantown Bronco
11-29-2010, 10:13 AM
I don't know how the internal working go at Dove Valley and never claimed so. The broncos traded and drafted a QB in the offseason, therefore I'll go out on limb and say they were not happy with the play of their QBs in 2009.

I'm sure they weren't satisfied with Lloyd's production in 2009 either, but that's certainly no reflection on where he is today, now is it?

Beantown Bronco
11-29-2010, 10:14 AM
they gave Kyle a ONE year extension on his contract after he became the clear #1 in training camp.

The broncos could shut me up by offering him a multi year deal following this season or next. But I don't see that happening

That's one more year than Manning has.

The lockout has really caused a lot of problems in this area. Do you really believe that guys like Manning would still be without a contract today if there was no chance of a lockout next year?

bronco militia
11-29-2010, 10:15 AM
He's a locked-in Orton supporter.

His opinion is no better or worse than yours.

of course...I don't have a problem with his opinion, Just wondering why he has a problem with the fans calling for Tebow. It's not like the change would knock the team out of the playoff hunt

epicSocialism4tw
11-29-2010, 10:18 AM
of course...I don't have a problem with his opinion, Just wondering why he has a problem with the fans calling for Tebow. It's not like the change would knock the team out of the playoff hunt

I'm at the point to where, though I like Orton, I can see that he's topped out. His ceiling just isnt high enough to be the player that he needs to be in McD's offense. Tebow has a rep for being a great motivator, and was known in college to make timely plays that control the flow of the game. Kyle's biggest problem is that he cannot do that...he cannot convert the third down to continue the drive when the Broncos are up 7-0.

Beantown Bronco
11-29-2010, 10:25 AM
I'm at the point to where, though I like Orton, I can see that he's topped out. His ceiling just isnt high enough to be the player that he needs to be in McD's offense. Tebow has a rep for being a great motivator, and was known in college to make timely plays that control the flow of the game. Kyle's biggest problem is that he cannot do that...he cannot convert the third down to continue the drive when the Broncos are up 7-0.

If the running game (and play-calling) would put him in more manageable situations, he'd be fine, as we saw against Seattle and KC. The only reason he has a poor 3rd down percentage overall this year is because of the ridiculously long distances they have to go. Look at yesterday as Exhibit A: two 3rd and 8s, the rest were 3rd and 10+. No QB in the NFL today or any time in history is going to look good having to convert those downs and distances. Not one.

epicSocialism4tw
11-29-2010, 10:27 AM
If the running game (and play-calling) would put him in more manageable situations, he'd be fine, as we saw against Seattle and KC. The only reason he has a poor 3rd down percentage overall this year is because of the ridiculously long distances they have to go. Look at yesterday as Exhibit A: two 3rd and 8s, the rest were 3rd and 10+. No QB in the NFL today or any time in history is going to look good having to convert those downs and distances. Not one.

Thats where a QB really earns his paycheck.

3rd and long.

Is it fair that he's put in those situations? No. Is it his job to make something out of them enough times to keep his offense on the field to maintain some posession? Yes.

jmz313
11-29-2010, 10:29 AM
That's one more year than Manning has.

The lockout has really caused a lot of problems in this area. Do you really believe that guys like Manning would still be without a contract today if there was no chance of a lockout next year?

Just an FYI, Manning is the one who requested that his contract talks take place after the season. He didn't want the distraction. What a glorious robot.

Sassy
11-29-2010, 10:34 AM
The same Manning who threw 4 PICKS in his comeback attempt? That one?

....and re your feeling. Orton was on his way to erasing that double digit deficit....

Hmmm someone had to get the ball to Royal and Decker :approve:

Beantown Bronco
11-29-2010, 10:35 AM
Thats where a QB really earns his paycheck.

3rd and long.

Is it fair that he's put in those situations? No. Is it his job to make something out of them enough times to keep his offense on the field to maintain some posession? Yes.

3rd down is certainly the money down....but not 3rd and long necessarily. The QB can only take so much heat for those around him not doing their jobs at that point. If we're constantly going three and out because of his mistakes, then fine, by all means move on. But he has little trouble maintaining possessions by converting on 1st, 2nd and even a clutch 4th and 8 on the final TD drive yesterday. It's not like every drive was a 3 and out. We just convert a ton of 2nd downs it seems when everything is clicking and never get into the 3rd down issue.

Beantown Bronco
11-29-2010, 10:36 AM
Just an FYI, Manning is the one who requested that his contract talks take place after the season. He didn't want the distraction. What a glorious robot.

I know that, but it wasn't October 24th (just looked it up)...... It wasn't like he shut down talks back in June. Do you really think they even get anywhere near that point in a normal year? No way.

Jason in LA
11-29-2010, 10:38 AM
I've never been an Orton fan, but he certainly is not the problem. Going by the stats he's having a career year. But while he isn't the problem, those stats aren't translating to wins.

When you throw 20 TDs to only 6 INTs and a lot of yards, you're not the problem. But what was he and the offense producing when the Rams went on a 33-3 run yesterday. How about putting up some points so the opposition won't outscore you by 30 points. Then you won't need some huge comeback at the end of the game, and all of those passing numbers would have mattered for something.

It appears the Orton doesn't make timely plays. He puts up huge numbers when it doesn't matter so much, but when they are right there in the game he and the offense stalls.

But there are much bigger problems on this team than Orton, and that's probably the most positive thing I've ever said about the guy.

bendog
11-29-2010, 10:38 AM
Teams orton would start for even if there were no injuries

Mia, Buff, Cle, KC (maybe not but I think so), Car, SF

jmo, but McD is a good OC

Sassy
11-29-2010, 10:38 AM
The same Manning who threw 4 PICKS in his comeback attempt? That one?

....and re your feeling. Orton was on his way to erasing that double digit deficit....

Even though I wanted the Chargers to lose...gotta love that the Colts got DEFEATED BY THE CHARGERS BY ALMOST AS BAD OF A SCORE AS WE DID BUT IN THEIR OWN HOUSE! LOL!

bronco militia
11-29-2010, 10:44 AM
Even though I wanted the Chargers to lose...gotta love that the Colts got DEFEATED BY THE CHARGERS BY ALMOST AS BAD OF A SCORE AS WE DID BUT IN THEIR OWN HOUSE! LOL!

it would have been better if the roof had collapsed during the game

epicSocialism4tw
11-29-2010, 10:47 AM
I've never been an Orton fan, but he certainly is not the problem. Going by the stats he's having a career year. But while he isn't the problem, those stats aren't translating to wins.

When you throw 20 TDs to only 6 INTs and a lot of yards, you're not the problem. But what was he and the offense producing when the Rams went on a 33-3 run yesterday. How about putting up some points so the opposition won't outscore you by 30 points. Then you won't need some huge comeback at the end of the game, and all of those passing numbers would have mattered for something.

It appears the Orton doesn't make timely plays. He puts up huge numbers when it doesn't matter so much, but when they are right there in the game he and the offense stalls.

But there are much bigger problems on this team than Orton, and that's probably the most positive thing I've ever said about the guy.


Thats the key.

It wouldnt matter if we had a dominant defense and/or running game, but we have neither. Both in fact are terrible.

So, we are supposed to be this offensive juggernaut, but we cant march down the field when we need to...only when the game is out of reach.

Beantown Bronco
11-29-2010, 10:47 AM
I've never been an Orton fan, but he certainly is not the problem. Going by the stats he's having a career year. But while he isn't the problem, those stats aren't translating to wins.

When you throw 20 TDs to only 6 INTs and a lot of yards, you're not the problem. But what was he and the offense producing when the Rams went on a 33-3 run yesterday. How about putting up some points so the opposition won't outscore you by 30 points. Then you won't need some huge comeback at the end of the game, and all of those passing numbers would have mattered for something.


1 field goal
2 three and outs
two fumbles outside his control
A decent 43 yd drive that resulted in 0 pts

Aside from the 2 three and outs (where the play calling was questionable at best), which are aggravating but which every team is going to have, there wasn't a whole lot more he could've done with the opportunities he was given.

Beantown Bronco
11-29-2010, 10:49 AM
It wouldnt matter if we had a dominant defense and/or running game,

You can't really believe that. Has Orton ever lost a game where his defense and running game showed up, much less dominated?

bendog
11-29-2010, 10:51 AM
You can't really believe that. Has Orton ever lost a game where his defense and running game showed up, much less dominated?

I'm not aware of either event happening at least in the second half of last season or this?

Rigs11
11-29-2010, 10:57 AM
Orton is so awesome the Broncos traded for Brady Quinn and drafted Tim Tebow

yeah and orton beat both of them out in camp.

epicSocialism4tw
11-29-2010, 11:01 AM
You can't really believe that. Has Orton ever lost a game where his defense and running game showed up, much less dominated?

I think you misunderstood...I was saying that it would be okay that Orton doesnt make timely plays if we had a ball control offense or a defense who can get the other team off the field.

oubronco
11-29-2010, 11:02 AM
That's one more year than Manning has.

The lockout has really caused a lot of problems in this area. Do you really believe that guys like Manning would still be without a contract today if there was no chance of a lockout next year?

The Colts brass and Manning have said they will do the contract after the season

Beantown Bronco
11-29-2010, 11:05 AM
The Colts brass and Manning have said they will do the contract after the season

1. My point is the same. Do the Colts let him play out the last year of his contract if there is NOT a risk of a lockout?

2. They can't do a contract after the league year ends if there is a lockout.

RaiderH8r
11-29-2010, 11:07 AM
The uncertainty of the CBA certainly has to play a role in the decisions of Bowlen and the FO, and that sucks.

I'm not blaming Orton, hell, I think he's been one helluva story for us this year. But the future is now and letting Orton play out the season is probably the best move to build his value. After the season Orton needs to be shipped for picks and/or players not named Brady Quinn. Preferably picks, we need'em. Orton's value is solid right now, even adjusting for statistical inflation, he has shown he's a capable QB and can certainly manage a team that has a complimentary running game.

Tebow needs to get in the game. Again, maybe not now since Orton needs to get that value up, but soon. I could be convinced Tebow needs to get in now but I'm not in that big of a hurry except to see what the kid can do. If Tebow isn't the answer better to find out sooner rather than later and move on. Long story short, we're in a world of hurt right now and we are going to be stuck eating a ****burger our only option will be whether or not we want it with pickles.

oubronco
11-29-2010, 11:09 AM
I don't think it's an issue with Manning as he is basically the OC on the field and the coach gives him free reign on calling plays

As for Orton I think McD tried to outsmart himself thinking Tebow would come in and take the job from Orton and thats the reason for the 1 yr contract but I don't think they'll let Orton go

Rohirrim
11-29-2010, 11:14 AM
I don't think it's an issue with Manning as he is basically the OC on the field and the coach gives him free reign on calling plays

As for Orton I think McD tried to outsmart himself thinking Tebow would come in and take the job from Orton and thats the reason for the 1 yr contract but I don't think they'll let Orton go

They might not have that luxury. Given the **** going on with this franchise, Orton might choose to find a new home at the end of next year.

epicSocialism4tw
11-29-2010, 11:15 AM
They might not have that luxury. Given the **** going on with this franchise, Orton might choose to find a new home next year.

He's under contract. He cant really choose much.

Rohirrim
11-29-2010, 11:16 AM
He's under contract. He cant really choose much.

I meant the end of 2011.

RaiderH8r
11-29-2010, 11:16 AM
He's under contract. He cant really choose much.

He's going to holdout...in a lockout year. That's how bad things have gotten in Denver.

epicSocialism4tw
11-29-2010, 11:17 AM
He's going to holdout...in a lockout year. That's how bad things have gotten in Denver.

Ha!

Rohirrim
11-29-2010, 11:18 AM
He's going to holdout...in a lockout year. That's how bad things have gotten in Denver.

Ouch.

RaiderH8r
11-29-2010, 11:22 AM
I'm embracing the gallows humor. It's all I've got left.

epicSocialism4tw
11-29-2010, 11:24 AM
I'm embracing the gallows humor. It's all I've got left.

It keeps getting delivered to us in reality, so who's to say that it doesnt continue?

bendog
11-29-2010, 11:26 AM
He's going to holdout...in a lockout year. That's how bad things have gotten in Denver.

lol

but I think the deal was that Bowlen gave him the extension with 5.5 mil being paid even if the owners lock them out to keep Orton under Bronco control throught the 2011 season, and avoid any hard feelings like Plummer had with drafting Cutler as the near term replacement for both 2010 and the possibility that the labor situation might be resolved to have a season in 2011. Then, if Tebow starts games in 2011, at least Orton is getting paid well, and he can make a deal with anyother team in 2012 without the team having to give Den compensation.

bronco militia
11-29-2010, 11:40 AM
He's going to holdout...in a lockout year. That's how bad things have gotten in Denver.

Ha!

Mile High Shack
11-29-2010, 11:48 AM
eh, he's not the problem, but he's not the solution either

LonghornBronco
11-29-2010, 11:59 AM
Obviously it's all Greise's fault. lol

Rock Chalk
11-29-2010, 12:08 PM
I've never been an Orton fan, but he certainly is not the problem. Going by the stats he's having a career year. But while he isn't the problem, those stats aren't translating to wins.

When you throw 20 TDs to only 6 INTs and a lot of yards, you're not the problem. But what was he and the offense producing when the Rams went on a 33-3 run yesterday. How about putting up some points so the opposition won't outscore you by 30 points. Then you won't need some huge comeback at the end of the game, and all of those passing numbers would have mattered for something.

It appears the Orton doesn't make timely plays. He puts up huge numbers when it doesn't matter so much, but when they are right there in the game he and the offense stalls.

But there are much bigger problems on this team than Orton, and that's probably the most positive thing I've ever said about the guy.

How about our defense not letting teams go on a 33-3 run.

This offense CANT struggle at all during games or we lose. That's not fair to that side of the ball. Very few offenses NOT facing Denver's defense will score every possession and are going to struggle on some drives in every game.

BlaK-Argentina
11-29-2010, 12:45 PM
eh, he's not the problem, but he's not the solution either

If you, or anyone else thinks A GODDAMN QB IS THE SOLUTION you are out of your mind. No need to **** around with something that works (the passing game) fix the damn defense. Even the running game has come around a bit, focus on the mother****ing defense for once and stop focusing so much on the QB for God's sake.

Mile High Shack
11-29-2010, 12:49 PM
If you, or anyone else thinks A GODDAMN QB IS THE SOLUTION you are out of your mind. No need to **** around with something that works (the passing game) fix the damn defense. Even the running game has come around a bit, focus on the mother****ing defense for once and stop focusing so much on the QB for God's sake.

you are confusing me for someone who is blaming Orton, what I mean is, he isn't someone I see leading our team to a superbowl.

Do I think he can lead the team to a playoff win? Sure, with all the right pieces around.

You are correct in your assessment in the defense needing to be fixed first, that is our biggest detriment, not the QB position.

Once we fix the defense, we can focus on improving the most important position on the field...the QB position.

HAT
11-29-2010, 01:13 PM
Thats where a QB really earns his paycheck.

3rd and long.

Is it fair that he's put in those situations? No. Is it his job to make something out of them enough times to keep his offense on the field to maintain some posession? Yes.

2010 3rd and 6+ yards...

Brady: 71.8 QBR, 53.4 %, 6.7 Y/A, 2TD, 2 INT
Manning: 60.0 QBR, 56.7%, 7.3 Y/A, 1TD, 4 INT,
Cutler: 57.8 QBR, 55.8%, 6.8 Y/A, 2TD, 4 INT
Orton: 75.3 QBR, 57.9%, 6.3 Y/A, 1TD, 1 INT

epicSocialism4tw
11-29-2010, 01:15 PM
2010 3rd and 6+ yards...

Brady: 71.8 QBR, 53.4 %, 6.7 Y/A, 2TD, 2 INT
Manning: 60.0 QBR, 56.7%, 7.3 Y/A, 1TD, 4 INT,
Cutler: 57.8 QBR, 55.8%, 6.8 Y/A, 2TD, 4 INT
Orton: 75.3 QBR, 57.9%, 6.3 Y/A, 1TD, 1 INT

Interesting... do you have a link?

HAT
11-29-2010, 01:17 PM
Interesting... do you have a link?

Sports.yahoo.com

epicSocialism4tw
11-29-2010, 01:18 PM
Sports.yahoo.com

Do you have splits between broncos wins and losses?

HAT
11-29-2010, 01:27 PM
No. And I'm not comparing Orton to Manning or Brady either. Just pointing out the raw numbers and letting people interpret them however they want.

To me, it's interesting that Orton's numbers are basically the same as those 2 HOF'ers in that particular metric, yet the 3rd down % TEAM stats vary so much.

NE 45.2%
INDY 44.8%
DEN 34.3%

jhns
11-29-2010, 01:34 PM
To me, it's interesting that Orton's numbers are basically the same as those 2 HOF'ers in that particular metric, yet the 3rd down % TEAM stats vary so much.

NE 45.2%
INDY 44.8%
DEN 34.3%

So what you are saying is he just really sucks at 3rd and short?

jutang
11-29-2010, 01:39 PM
Aside from the 2 three and outs (where the play calling was questionable at best), which are aggravating but which every team is going to have, there wasn't a whole lot more he could've done with the opportunities he was given.


Problem was that they went away from Moreno and relied on Orton and the passing game. Orton's getting too much blame, but your unwavering support for him is Hilarious!

bronco militia
11-29-2010, 01:44 PM
after the colts game:

"He's being productive, but I tend to think about the quarterback relative to wins and losses, third down and red zone," McDaniels said. "Yesterday, we weren't very good on third down, we weren't very good in the red zone and we lost the game

rbackfactory80
11-29-2010, 01:47 PM
Problem was that they went away from Moreno and relied on Orton and the passing game. Orton's getting too much blame, but your unwavering support for him is Hilarious!

Orton will play well enough to break your heart. He is just one of many areas that need to be fixed. He is a serviceable QB who can steer the ship if he has a good supporting cast and a great O-line to keep defenders off him.

Mile High Shack
11-29-2010, 01:48 PM
2010 3rd and 6+ yards...

Brady: 71.8 QBR, 53.4 %, 6.7 Y/A, 2TD, 2 INT
Manning: 60.0 QBR, 56.7%, 7.3 Y/A, 1TD, 4 INT,
Cutler: 57.8 QBR, 55.8%, 6.8 Y/A, 2TD, 4 INT
Orton: 75.3 QBR, 57.9%, 6.3 Y/A, 1TD, 1 INT

so what are Orton's stats on 3rd down overall and in the red zone?

Beantown Bronco
11-29-2010, 02:00 PM
so what are Orton's stats on 3rd down overall and in the red zone?

Considering almost all of the Broncos third downs lately are 6+ yds, it shouldn't be terribly different. :)

And they are literally perfect in the redzone over the last 3 games or so. Either 8-8 or 9-9 based on the graphic they showed during Sunday's game.

HAT
11-29-2010, 02:00 PM
so what are Orton's stats on 3rd down overall and in the red zone?

Dunno.....That wasn't the metric provided. Please see McSkillet's point that I quoted in #66.

I was merely pointing out that it's a myth to say Orton "Sucks" on 3rd and long....Without saying that Brady and Manning do too (This year at least).

Mile High Shack
11-29-2010, 02:19 PM
Considering almost all of the Broncos third downs lately are 6+ yds, it shouldn't be terribly different. :)

And they are literally perfect in the redzone over the last 3 games or so. Either 8-8 or 9-9 based on the graphic they showed during Sunday's game.

yeah, I didn't know, which is why I asked, I'm pretty lazy at heart, I'd rather someone else look up those stats :)