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long beach bronco
11-28-2010, 08:49 PM
I can't wait until this season is over. This is the worst I've felt ever as a broncos fan. This team is just plain bad all the way around, I hate Sundays now, we have lost to so many bad teams its laughable. This team needs a new coaching staff, Andrew Luck and a ferocious Defensive line, that's all I want.

go_broncos
11-28-2010, 08:51 PM
That's true..I hope we draft Luck.

Archer81
11-28-2010, 08:58 PM
That's true..I hope we draft Luck.


Yeah...

Because we already drafted a QB in round one...lets get another. Do you seriously think before you post this ****?

****tard.

:Broncos:

TailgateNut
11-28-2010, 08:59 PM
Yeah...

Because we already drafted a QB in round one...lets get another. Do you seriously think before you post this ****?

****tard.

:Broncos:

We already have two costly benchwarmers on the team. let's get anotherHilarious!

TDmvp
11-28-2010, 09:01 PM
Yeah...

Because we already drafted a QB in round one...lets get another. Do you seriously think before you post this ****?

****tard.

:Broncos:



It's all part of Josh's master plan to suck real bad , Draft luck and run a 3 headed quarterback backfield with Orton ,Tebow and Luck and run the triple qb option and rule the world !!??

broncosteven
11-28-2010, 09:02 PM
Does this mean we won't be going 11-5 if we win out and win the division this year?

Archer81
11-28-2010, 09:02 PM
We already have two costly benchwarmers on the team. let's get anotherHilarious!


I understand the Tebow pick. His upside is too great...but if we draft Luck I will explode in such an epic meltdown that people will visit the spot of my meltdown in 50 years to take pictures of the outlines of people around me on the pavement.

Hiro-****ing-shima.

If we ignore the front 7...BOOM.

:Broncos:

loborugger
11-28-2010, 09:04 PM
I can't wait until this season is over. This is the worst I've felt ever as a broncos fan. This team is just plain bad all the way around, I hate Sundays now, we have lost to so many bad teams its laughable. This team needs a new coaching staff, Andrew Luck and a ferocious Defensive line, that's all I want.

Why? Because in 5 games when the season is over, our team will suddenly be better? Because those making our draft in the spring will suddenly be better? Because the team that will take the field next field will suddenly be a 13 & 3 team instead of a 3 & 13 team? There is no quick and easy fix for this team in the near future. Get used to this.

broncosteven
11-28-2010, 09:05 PM
Why? Because in 5 games when the season is over, our team will suddenly be better? Because those making our draft in the spring will suddenly be better? Because the team that will take the field next field will suddenly be a 13 & 3 team instead of a 3 & 13 team? There is no quick and easy fix for this team in the near future. Get used to this.

Apparently you can't just sign over the hill FA's to fill the DL, it looks like drafting DL is the best way to go. I am guessing mCd thought he could just drop 50 on teams every week.

lostknight
11-28-2010, 09:06 PM
Those who fail to learn from the past are destined to repeat it. On a night where Jay Cutler ripped apart what was one of the best teams in the NFC, we should remember that McDaniels just had to fix the fscking defense. If he had done that, instead of falling in love with his own quarterback, and his own offensive line scheme, how much better would this team have been?

College stats:
166 versus 164 QB rating.
9600 yards in college versus 5,600

Personally, I would take the 166 rating and 9600 yards. That, for people scoring at home is Tebow versus Luck. In a era that the NFL is increasingly moving towords spread offenses (which Tebow ran), it may be Luck that has more of a transition issue to the NFL.

Nevermind that I am not sure Luck comes out. Would you really want to get drafted in a lockout year?

extralife
11-28-2010, 09:09 PM
If we draft a god damn QB I'm going to kill someone

HILife
11-28-2010, 09:11 PM
I am so looking forward to the draft. The slot will be amazing. We might be picking before the #1 spot.

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
11-28-2010, 09:14 PM
This nightmare will not end til the day that McDumbass is fired as head coach of the Broncos!!!

HILife
11-28-2010, 09:18 PM
It's all part of Josh's master plan to suck real bad , Draft luck and run a 3 headed quarterback backfield with Orton ,Tebow and Luck and run the triple qb option and rule the world !!??

Breaking News!
http://chzupnextinsports.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/funny-sports-pictures-breaking-news-evil-plans-for-world-domination-are-coming.jpg

Someone should make a breaking news thread about Josh's plans.

zdoor
11-28-2010, 09:22 PM
If we don't go front 7 we deserve to suck...

HILife
11-28-2010, 09:25 PM
This nightmare will not end til the day that McDumbass is fired as head coach of the Broncos!!!

What? Speak up.

HILife
11-28-2010, 09:26 PM
I understand the Tebow pick. His upside is too great...but if we draft Luck I will explode in such an epic meltdown that people will visit the spot of my meltdown in 50 years to take pictures of the outlines of people around me on the pavement.

Hiro-****ing-shima.

If we ignore the front 7...BOOM.

:Broncos:


boom
http://www.actionandsolutions.com/Explosion2.jpg

strafen
11-28-2010, 09:26 PM
Does this mean we won't be going 11-5 if we win out and win the division this year?We can still win out and finish at .500 (8-8) and take the division!!!
McDaniels would then get a 6-year contract extension

Jesterhole
11-29-2010, 05:04 AM
I'm only really interested in how Tebow will pan out at this point. Orton has been playing well, but he stats are probably more an indication of our pathetic running game, our need to catch up all the time, and Josh's lack of ability in all areas except the passing attack. When you need him to come through, like at the end of 3-4 games this year, he folds, doesn't inspire his team to win...whatever. He's just mediocre.

Tebow, on the other hand, could actually will a team around him to win, at least in college. I sure hope McFail gives Tebow some real live action, a few series at least, in these next meaningless games in order to evaluate him.

Dr. Broncenstein
11-29-2010, 05:28 AM
I think Bronco fans need to buckle up and get ready for at least 4 more years in the cellar. Longer if the current regime remains intact.

SoDak Bronco
11-29-2010, 05:42 AM
I personally wouldnt mind to see Orton get a double ankle sprain so we can see Tebow in action.

TonyR
11-29-2010, 06:21 AM
On a night where Jay Cutler ripped apart what was one of the best teams in the NFC...

Good win for the Bears and Cutler played really well but I do want to point out that the Eagles didn't have their top 2 CB's and Cutler only completed 14 passes for 247 yards. "Ripped apart" is a little hyperbolic.

strafen
11-29-2010, 06:26 AM
Good win for the Bears and Cutler played really well but I do want to point out that the Eagles didn't have their top 2 CB's and Cutler only completed 14 passes for 247 yards. "Ripped apart" is a little hyperbolic.You sir, are a true McDaniels nut hugger! :wave:

TonyR
11-29-2010, 06:36 AM
You sir, are a true McDaniels nut hugger! :wave:

First of all, my post has nothing to do with McDaniels.
Second of all, if Bowlen fires McD today I won't shed a single tear.

What did I say that you disagree with?

Broncos4tw
11-29-2010, 06:37 AM
Good win for the Bears and Cutler played really well but I do want to point out that the Eagles didn't have their top 2 CB's and Cutler only completed 14 passes for 247 yards. "Ripped apart" is a little hyperbolic.

Perhaps, but.. the Bears are first in their division. We are last in ours.

If Josh could have worked with Jay and fixed our D first, perhaps we wouldn't be in this mess.

TonyR
11-29-2010, 06:50 AM
Perhaps, but.. the Bears are first in their division. We are last in ours.

If Josh could have worked with Jay and fixed our D first, perhaps we wouldn't be in this mess.

Yup, the Bears are a good team. We're not.

Would we be better off with Cutler? Maybe. Blame Pat Bowlen for that.

Beantown Bronco
11-29-2010, 06:56 AM
I personally wouldnt mind to see Orton get a double ankle sprain so we can see Tebow in action.

Please delete this and I'll come back to delete my response. Not cool.

TailgateNut
11-29-2010, 09:30 AM
I'm only really interested in how Tebow will pan out at this point. Orton has been playing well, but he stats are probably more an indication of our pathetic running game, our need to catch up all the time, and Josh's lack of ability in all areas except the passing attack. When you need him to come through, like at the end of 3-4 games this year, he folds, doesn't inspire his team to win...whatever. He's just mediocre.

Tebow, on the other hand, could actually will a team around him to win, at least in college. I sure hope McFail gives Tebow some real live action, a few series at least, in these next meaningless games in order to evaluate him.

Will he ride in on a Golden Chariot?

TailgateNut
11-29-2010, 09:31 AM
I personally wouldnt mind to see Orton get a double ankle sprain so we can see Tebow in action.

I can't stand the Tebow pick and Tebow ball hugging, but not even I will stoop that low.

You are a sad excuse for a fan and a human being!

HILife
11-29-2010, 09:33 AM
Will he ride in on a Golden Chariot?


And golden horses, duh.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2526/3888875415_9db36012a7.jpg

Rohirrim
11-29-2010, 09:34 AM
I can't stand the Tebow pick and Tebow ball hugging, but not even I will stoop that low.

You are a sad excuse for a fan and a human being!

but but but... Bradley Van Tebow will save us all!!

Hogan11
11-29-2010, 09:42 AM
I have to continuously remind myself that many Broncos fans seemingly weren't around prior to the 97 super bowl season.........

Rabb
11-29-2010, 09:45 AM
At the game I told my brother, we are now only above Buffalo, Detroit and Carolina IMO in terms of bottom feeders.

And I would argue that Buffalo and Detroit are much better teams overall with a hell of a lot more upside and heart.

I hate this year so damn much.

TailgateNut
11-29-2010, 09:52 AM
I have to continuously remind myself that many Broncos fans seemingly weren't around prior to the 97 super bowl season.........

and some of the most outspoken ones were still sucking on their mommy's teets. But they've read stories and are able to google.Hilarious!

24champ
11-29-2010, 09:55 AM
That's true..I hope we draft Luck.


http://threadbombing.com/data/media/54/facepalmm.gif

zdoor
11-29-2010, 09:55 AM
I have to continuously remind myself that many Broncos fans seemingly weren't around prior to the 97 super bowl season.........

Most of the newbs will be gone after this season

HAT
11-29-2010, 09:56 AM
To each their own, but I'm pissed there is only 5 games left. We only get 16 of them and I will be looking forward to each and every one of them.

Dagmar
11-29-2010, 09:57 AM
First of all, my post has nothing to do with McDaniels.
Second of all, if Bowlen fires McD today I won't shed a single tear.

What did I say that you disagree with?

He is an evil bigotted scumbag, don't concern yourself with him for Tebow's sake!

bendog
11-29-2010, 09:58 AM
Too each their own, but I'm pissed there is only 5 games left. We only get 16 of them and I will looking forward to each and every one of them.

Well, they give you good drugs for colonsocopies and you don't remember whatever happened so ....

TailgateNut
11-29-2010, 10:00 AM
Most of the newbs will be gone after this season

Just like the Whine and Cheesers disapeared by halftime yesterday. Good ridance to both!

epicSocialism4tw
11-29-2010, 10:09 AM
Okay...all of you hype meisters and californians out there who dont seem to realize that the Broncos drafted a QB in the first round last season...

We will not draft Andrew Luck.

Thank goodness.

Its just a shame that Suh isnt available this season.

zdoor
11-29-2010, 10:12 AM
Well, they give you good drugs for colonsocopies and you don't remember whatever happened so ....

Hilarious!

zdoor
11-29-2010, 10:14 AM
Okay...all of you hype meisters and californians out there who dont seem to realize that the Broncos drafted a QB in the first round last season...

We will not draft Andrew Luck.

Thank goodness.

Its just a shame that Suh isnt available this season.

For the love of god, please draft front 7...

Broncoman13
11-29-2010, 10:15 AM
Just like the Whine and Cheesers disapeared by halftime yesterday. Good ridance to both!

Damn, half of the fans that go to the games are whine and cheesers (more whine than cheese of course)? We are pathetic as a fan base... or is it our owner that has put our fan base in this situation by pricing the die-hards out of Invesco?

Broncoman13
11-29-2010, 10:19 AM
Okay...all of you hype meisters and californians out there who dont seem to realize that the Broncos drafted a QB in the first round last season...

We will not draft Andrew Luck.

Thank goodness.

Its just a shame that Suh isnt available this season.

That all depends on whether McD is back or not. You bring in a new HC and everything and anything is once again in play. A new HC may well decide that Tebow is not the answer... but then you're stuck with him for three or four more years, so what to do with the Tebow?

I personally think that Tebow could win over just about anybody. Not saying he'll be a great QB in the league, but I think teams have won with worse. I just feel frustrated that he's being developed by a guy that knows little about the position, or the NFL for that matter. McD could certainly develop him, but how much time can he spend with Tebow when he's trying to fix all the other issues with this team? McCoy's time is spent with Orton... Tebow really isn't being developed right now. Playing him isn't going to make things any better, but it will give some life to a "whine and cheese" fan base.

epicSocialism4tw
11-29-2010, 10:21 AM
For the love of god, please draft front 7...

Amen.

Its about time that they addressed the DL for real.

epicSocialism4tw
11-29-2010, 10:22 AM
That all depends on whether McD is back or not. You bring in a new HC and everything and anything is once again in play. A new HC may well decide that Tebow is not the answer... but then you're stuck with him for three or four more years, so what to do with the Tebow?

I personally think that Tebow could win over just about anybody. Not saying he'll be a great QB in the league, but I think teams have won with worse. I just feel frustrated that he's being developed by a guy that knows little about the position, or the NFL for that matter. McD could certainly develop him, but how much time can he spend with Tebow when he's trying to fix all the other issues with this team? McCoy's time is spent with Orton... Tebow really isn't being developed right now. Playing him isn't going to make things any better, but it will give some life to a "whine and cheese" fan base.

If another coach comes in and turns the roster over again like McD did, expect alot of blowback from the fanbase.

Tebow has already been drafted. Those assets are placed in him. Bailing out of those assets would be yet another massive waste of resources.

RaiderH8r
11-29-2010, 10:24 AM
Damn, half of the fans that go to the games are whine and cheesers (more whine than cheese of course)? We are pathetic as a fan base... or is it our owner that has put our fan base in this situation by pricing the die-hards out of Invesco?

Apparently not that die hard otherwise they'd buy the ticket.

epicSocialism4tw
11-29-2010, 10:26 AM
Apparently not that die hard otherwise they'd buy the ticket.

Not at the current price.

RaiderH8r
11-29-2010, 10:28 AM
Not at the current price.

At what point does the die hard die then? Certainly if the die hard dies it becomes debatable whether or not they were actually that die hard to begin with.

epicSocialism4tw
11-29-2010, 10:29 AM
At what point does the die hard die then? Certainly if the die hard dies it becomes debatable whether or not they were actually that die hard to begin with.

A die-hard fan stops being an attendee when ticket prices reach into non-discretionary income...clothes for the kids, etc.

cutthemdown
11-29-2010, 10:30 AM
I think Bronco fans need to buckle up and get ready for at least 4 more years in the cellar. Longer if the current regime remains intact.

4 yrs a bit pessimistic. We need to find some studs though and fast for sure.

I think if you put one really good player at each unit you can do well. By that I mean 1 dominant linebacker, one dominant dback, 1 dominant dlineman.....then with other 8 spots you can sometimes get a way with just decent starters like DJ/Haggan/Mcbath etc etc are.

If we got Doom back i think he could be the stud, Ayers could be one of the decent starters, and now we need to look for 2 big inside linebackers if we want to keep running a 3-4. Doom already dominant though so that unit has potential to be good.

The dline is a mess. Not one player on it is tough to block and that is a problem. Broncos need to draft some big DT and DE to give the back end a chance. They have to control the LOS better but I don't think it would take 4 yrs. It could take next yr and into the following one though for sure.

oubronco
11-29-2010, 10:30 AM
Damn, half of the fans that go to the games are whine and cheesers (more whine than cheese of course)? We are pathetic as a fan base... or is it our owner that has put our fan base in this situation by pricing the die-hards out of Invesco?

Yes it cost way too much for fans who live out of state to go see a game

Crushaholic
11-29-2010, 10:36 AM
Are people seriously this ignorant of where our problems lie on this football team?

WE DON'T NEED TO DRAFT ANOTHER QUARTERBACK.

That is all...

epicSocialism4tw
11-29-2010, 10:44 AM
Are people seriously this ignorant of where our problems lie on this football team?

WE DON'T NEED TO DRAFT ANOTHER QUARTERBACK.

That is all...

No doubt.

I'd rather they keep Orton and develop Tebow for another year than to draft another QB.

TailgateNut
11-29-2010, 12:55 PM
At what point does the die hard die then? Certainly if the die hard dies it becomes debatable whether or not they were actually that die hard to begin with.

Gotta love people comment on prices and why people aren't buying anymore.

Do you go to games?

I do and have for a long ****ing time. I used to own 9season tix which increased in price on avg every second season and sometimes every year.

I've cut down to 5 and most likely will cut down to 3 next season (if there is one).

This year I've spent about $4500.00 for tix, $300.00 for parking and that doeesn't even include any of the merchandise, drinks and food before and during the game and maintenance, insurance, gas and other RV related costs (my guestimate for that is about $2-3K more).

Roughly $600-800 a ****ing game when doing the rough math. That easily eliminates lots of fans!

TheChamp24
11-29-2010, 01:00 PM
During the telecast yesterday, the announcers said it best by saying we got rid of talent, but instead of spending picks on fixing the defense, we spent them on replacing those talented players we shipped away.

Broncoman13
11-29-2010, 01:05 PM
During the telecast yesterday, the announcers said it best by saying we got rid of talent, but instead of spending picks on fixing the defense, we spent them on replacing those talented players we shipped away.

This is exactly what I've been screaming. In fact, you could argue that we've spent picks on lesser talent than the ones we sent packing... all the while never addressing the true deficiency of this team, the defense and more specifically the Defensive Line!

The cupboards aren't bare, but what's in there is the same old tired can of soup that everyone has past on for the past several months!

bendog
11-29-2010, 01:06 PM
During the telecast yesterday, the announcers said it best by saying we got rid of talent, but instead of spending picks on fixing the defense, we spent them on replacing those talented players we shipped away.

Stop it. Josh is building a team here. lol

yerner
11-29-2010, 01:10 PM
Are people seriously this ignorant of where our problems lie on this football team?

WE DON'T NEED TO DRAFT ANOTHER QUARTERBACK.

That is all...

Disagree. Until you have a great one you can always keep looking. Luck is a franchise changing talent.

footstepsfrom#27
11-29-2010, 01:12 PM
I have to continuously remind myself that many Broncos fans seemingly weren't around prior to the 97 super bowl season.........
Yep...this is nothing if you waited 27 years for a title.

2KBack
11-29-2010, 01:23 PM
Disagree. Until you have a great one you can always keep looking. Luck is a franchise changing talent.

Yeah that's cool, Denver can draft QB's the way Matt Millen drafts WR's

TailgateNut
11-29-2010, 01:57 PM
Disagree. Until you have a great one you can always keep looking. Luck is a franchise changing talent.

I thought Tebow was Gods gift to Football, now it's Luck. LOL

bendog
11-29-2010, 01:58 PM
I thought Tebow was Gods gift to Football, now it's Luck. LOL

yeah, well this season has an aspect of a guy nailed to a cross slowly dying.

yerner
11-29-2010, 02:07 PM
I thought Tebow was Gods gift to Football, now it's Luck. LOL

Not for me man. I've never thought Tebow was good. I've hated the pick since it occured. All I'm saying is Andrew Luck is the best qb prospect to enter the draft since Peyton Manning. If you have a chance to draft Peyton Manning does it matter that you have another qb on the roster or that your defense is god awful? I would say no. But it's just my opinion.

Pony Boy
11-29-2010, 02:09 PM
I say we take our first round pick and throw in Quinn and trade for Hillis :strong:

TailgateNut
11-29-2010, 02:11 PM
yeah, well this season has an aspect of a guy nailed to a cross slowly dying.


Oh Geebus, you guys are killin me with the religious conotations. I hopeeeeeee we don't have to have a prayer session prior to each game in the future. Maybe we can all hold hands with the opposing teams' fans and sing "Kumbaya My lord". I'd ditch my tix mid season and tell everyone to kiss my ass.

Pony Boy
11-29-2010, 02:11 PM
All I'm saying is Andrew Luck is the best qb prospect to enter the draft since Peyton Manning. But it's just my opinion.

I think I might take Sam Bradford over Luck......

TailgateNut
11-29-2010, 02:13 PM
Not for me man. I've never thought Tebow was good. I've hated the pick since it occured. All I'm saying is Andrew Luck is the best qb prospect to enter the draft since Peyton Manning. If you have a chance to draft Peyton Manning does it matter that you have another qb on the roster or that your defense is god awful? I would say no. But it's just my opinion.


My comment has to be taken in stride. I can't stand the self absorbed Jesus freak and hated the fact that we traded away picks to get him in the first round. His silly ass would havee still been available in the second or possibly third round.

WolfpackGuy
11-29-2010, 02:16 PM
The team should definitely be in position to draft Luck.

TailgateNut
11-29-2010, 02:18 PM
The team should definitely be in position to draft Luck.


Maybe we should trade away all of our picks to get the 1st pick in the 1st round to get another QB. ROFL!

The he and Tebow can't switch off holding the clipboard or carrying the water bottles for a few million each a season. ROFL!

edog24
11-29-2010, 02:19 PM
I consider myself a die-hard fan, been that way for 20+ years. At this point though, I wouldn't go to a game for free, I find it way more enjoyable to sit at home and hang with the family, get some stuff done, and be able to turn the game off once they lose and enjoy spending that money on things that I find enjoyable.

I just don't find it enjoyable to watch this team play, it's too gimmicky and full of circus moves to hide any real football being played.

WolfpackGuy
11-29-2010, 02:19 PM
Maybe we should trade away all of our picks to get the 1st pick in the 1st round to get another QB. ROFL!

The he and Tebow can't switch off holding the clipboard or carrying the water bottles for a few million each a season. ROFL!

I was hoping for a blocking TE or midget corner in the top 3.

Or maybe a running back who can't avoid or outrun a lawn gnome.

Rohirrim
11-29-2010, 02:21 PM
I'm also extremely high on Luck, but I don't think he'll come out this year. Why come out into a possible lock out situation when he can stay at Stanford and maybe have a shot at a title? Of course, this may change if Harbaugh leaves.

jsco70
11-29-2010, 02:24 PM
This nightmare will not end til the day that McDumbass is fired as head coach of the Broncos!!!

Nice use of fonts. ^5

oubronco
11-29-2010, 02:29 PM
Disagree. Until you have a great one you can always keep looking. Luck is a franchise changing talent.

So was Ryan Leaf....................................Supposedly

oubronco
11-29-2010, 02:30 PM
Oh Geebus, you guys are killin me with the religious conotations. I hopeeeeeee we don't have to have a prayer session prior to each game in the future. Maybe we can all hold hands with the opposing teams' fans and sing "Kumbaya My lord". I'd ditch my tix mid season and tell everyone to kiss my ass.

Hilarious!

oubronco
11-29-2010, 02:33 PM
I'm also extremely high on Luck, but I don't think he'll come out this year. Why come out into a possible lock out situation when he can stay at Stanford and maybe have a shot at a title? Of course, this may change if Harbaugh leaves.

Yep most underclassmen aren't going to come out to a potential lockout and not get paid for a year

NUB
11-29-2010, 02:57 PM
If we don't play Tebow and get some evaluation on him I'd be down with drafting Luck if he landed in our laps. I would prefer an elite defensive lineman, really, but Luck looks like the real deal and it'd be hard to be upset if we got him. McDaniels should just play Tebow and see if he has the chops at this point. Or we can keep fluffing Orton as a solid QB because he plays well when it matters least.

Requiem
11-29-2010, 03:23 PM
If McDaniels goes, so be it.

I'm just worried about these factors:

(A) Development of Tebow and his role on the team

(B) Potential change in schemes offensively and defensively

(C) How the aforesaid impacts our draft preparation and what we have scouted thus far

I was never a fan of selecting Tebow, but that we invested in him. I don't want to doubt him, and I want to see him get a chance to prepare for the future. If we replace McDaniels, I hope it is with someone who is willing to give him a chance. We have so many other needs right now, drafting another QB would almost seem ludicrous.

If Josh is canned, where do we go for coaches? I think offensively, we will have the players to play ball anyways, regardless of scheme. I am not a huge fan of his offense, and would like to run the ball more, but things seem to be "decent" so far. We just need to improve on third downs, get another lineman and another running back. Everywhere else I think is pretty set.

Our defense just sucks and if Champ leaves that is going to hurt even worse. I doubt Dawkins extension is picked up. There goes two leaders in the secondary that need to be replaced. We already have a poor talent infusion overall for the 3-4 and if we went back to the 4-3 I feel it would even be worse. Where do we go from here?

Plus, the draft. Not that canning McDaniels changes anything significantly, but if we've been focusing on targets and players for what he would like to see done and get rid of him, we might see some pretty poor results again if we have to hastily redo our boards, etc.

If he stays, fine. If he goes, fine. I just don't see how getting rid of him is going to help us out with instant success.

bendog
11-29-2010, 03:34 PM
It's not about instant success. And if he goes, the new guy will have to purge the staff because there's at least one Judas there (Hey, I'm going for christian allusions today). It will be new schemes and frankly the defensive players aren't with whatever the scheme is supposed to be now.

Best case is we need a running back who can tote it 15 times a game for 4.5 and probably one offensive lineman and at least 7 defensive starters. In short, we wasted two entire drafts while getting weaker on offense and defense.

Requiem
11-29-2010, 03:37 PM
We already have our running back regardless of who changes coaches. Moreno is 23 years old and has improved the past three weeks. We just need someone to spell with him, because Maroney and Ball obviously aren't the answers.

And no, we didn't waste two drafts. Offensively we have built a good corps of players, we have some decent guys on defense from the drafts, but we need defensive line like we have for 7 years now.

bendog
11-29-2010, 03:41 PM
Moreno is not a 1500 back. Never was, never will be. He's a guy like Green-Ellis who will give you 200 credible totes at best. A team needs two or three like that unless they have an AP or McFadden.

yerner
11-29-2010, 03:41 PM
So was Ryan Leaf....................................Supposedly

Obviously you haven't seen him play. And there were huge character concerns and physical questions about Leaf. His mobility for one. There are none for Luck. None.

yerner
11-29-2010, 03:45 PM
I'm also extremely high on Luck, but I don't think he'll come out this year. Why come out into a possible lock out situation when he can stay at Stanford and maybe have a shot at a title? Of course, this may change if Harbaugh leaves.

It's a fair point. Maybe Harbaugh could get the Broncos gig and bring Luck with him.

Requiem
11-29-2010, 03:45 PM
Moreno is not a 1500 back. Never was, never will be. He's a guy like Green-Ellis who will give you 200 credible totes at best. A team needs two or three like that unless they have an AP or McFadden.

Not many running backs in the league put up 1,500 yards rushing on a consistent basis. If you put Moreno in a run oriented offense he is going to give you 1,000 on the ground and then some in the receiving game.

As an all-purpose guy, he can do what is required in the NFL to be a starter and excel. He is valuable enough to give the ball to over 20 times a game, and can produce while doing so. We need somebody to run with him, not replace him.

bendog
11-29-2010, 03:49 PM
I didn't say replace him. I said you need another guy who can give you the same production, roughly, to go with him. The Pats or Saints are teams with decent running attacks use the committee.

But again, McD spent a 11 overall and didn't solve the position that was a problem really since 2005 and the oline isn't set and we need at least 7 new defensive starters. This is like a soviet style five year plan.

Requiem
11-29-2010, 03:50 PM
Ah, so we are pretty much on the same wave length. Get him a running mate.

epicSocialism4tw
11-29-2010, 04:07 PM
I think I might take Sam Bradford over Luck......

Yeah...um...I think that Bradford may have the clear edge right now. Ha!

Broncos_OTM
11-29-2010, 04:26 PM
I dont think there will be a lockout even if the owners and players cant find middle ground... and who ever thinks we have a shot at luck is retarded unless we have the #1 pick overall not a chance carolina or bufali pass on hin

broncosteven
11-29-2010, 04:59 PM
Moreno is not a 1500 back. Never was, never will be. He's a guy like Green-Ellis who will give you 200 credible totes at best. A team needs two or three like that unless they have an AP or McFadden.

I think a healthy KM should be capable of 1-1.2k on the ground and a couple hundred in the air. I think he is more like Tatum Bell than TD but he is good for a couple 15 yard gains per game. He needs to start popping some 50, 60, 70 yarders to get up above 1200 yards per year and I think his career long is only like 30 or something.

I wonder if mCd doesn't stay with the run game longer because he fears that his 15th overall pick in the draft can't handle a full work load or if it is because he would rather Chuck it deep to Lloyd for stats?

RaiderH8r
11-29-2010, 05:00 PM
Yep most underclassmen aren't going to come out to a potential lockout and not get paid for a year

Unless that underclassman plays for USC in which case his rookie contract is most likely a pay cut anyway.

SJ Bronco
11-29-2010, 05:25 PM
I'm not advocating drafting Luck, but I've watched every game he's played. Comparing Ryan Leaf to Luck is insane. Luck is a ready to start day 1 no miss superstar. He's Peyton Manning Mentally, He's physically gifted, and he's so mobile it's retarded. He aslo throws so accurately on the move that John Elway said he was Jealous. If you think he can't run the spread, you're kidding yourself, he has had a few 100 yard rushing games. He runs 4 different offenses at once in Harbaughs mind **** offense because he can. He's about as cool as the other side of the pillow in pressure, and never seems to make the same mistake twice. Seriously, The kid is freaking amazing and is single handedly making one of the most mediocre teams talent wise look like the best team in the nation. A CAN'T miss player and whomever drafts him will be a contender for as long as he's healthy, and he NEVER misses games.

SJ Bronco
11-29-2010, 05:26 PM
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Then there is this

SJ Bronco
11-29-2010, 05:28 PM
And this...

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go_broncos
11-29-2010, 05:36 PM
Trade Tebow to Jaguars and draft Luck..

Archer81
11-29-2010, 05:37 PM
Trade Tebow to Jaguars and draft Luck..


Somewhere a village is mourning your loss.


:Broncos:

SJ Bronco
11-29-2010, 05:38 PM
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Watch this throw and mobility, and he does this ALL the time! This is as a RS Frosh last year. He's even better now!

(don't forget to keep watching for "all right now" and my train whistle) Hehehehehehehehe

Natedog24
11-29-2010, 05:46 PM
I'm a huge Luck fanboy as well and I'll be shocked if he is anything less then a pro bowl QB some day. That said, there are much bigger holes elsewhere on Denver's roster. I'm not sure drafting yet another young QB is the right move (although Luck would easily be ahead of Tebow on the depth chart IMO, Luck is a once in a generation type talent).

WolfpackGuy
11-29-2010, 06:29 PM
Starting from scratch isn't such a bad option at this point.

Bring in this Luck kid.

At least they won't have to spend a couple seasons on teaching him how to throw.

SJ Bronco
11-29-2010, 06:33 PM
I'm a huge Luck fanboy as well and I'll be shocked if he is anything less then a pro bowl QB some day. That said, there are much bigger holes elsewhere on Denver's roster. I'm not sure drafting yet another young QB is the right move (although Luck would easily be ahead of Tebow on the depth chart IMO, Luck is a once in a generation type talent).

Yeah, I agree, as much as I'd love my Luck broncos jersey, I have no problem with them drafting bigger holes. Too bad. I said before the draft last year that we'd be better served drafting defense and waiting till Luck came out, but we got Tebow and we're stuck with him for at least a few years. Give him time to become a good QB. I don't think Tebow will ever work out, but we gotta stick with him for now. Like someone said earlier, I think this last draft will have us in a hole for many years to come.

SJ Bronco
11-29-2010, 06:34 PM
Starting from scratch isn't such a bad option at this point.

Bring in this Luck kid.

At least they won't have to spend a couple seasons on teaching him how to throw.

My last comment not withstanding. I agree with this too. I'd love to see us just detonate this thing and start with a sure thing at QB and some lineman to protect him and build from there on the 3 year plan.

mhgaffney
11-29-2010, 06:50 PM
I seem to remember that, once upon a time, we had another Stanford QB who could scramble to daylight and throw back across the field with accuracy.

What was his name?

epicSocialism4tw
11-29-2010, 06:50 PM
My last comment not withstanding. I agree with this too. I'd love to see us just detonate this thing and start with a sure thing at QB and some lineman to protect him and build from there on the 3 year plan.

There isnt such a thing. Even Bradford had question marks.

loborugger
11-29-2010, 07:45 PM
I seem to remember that, once upon a time, we had another Stanford QB who could scramble to daylight and throw back across the field with accuracy.

What was his name?

I seem to remember at one point we had a RB from Georgia who had the speed of a scat back along with the size of power back and he could rack up 2000 yards a season.

See how that works?

go_broncos
11-29-2010, 07:58 PM
Nightmare..Didn't you hear..??..Our owner says that we can reach playoff's.

Tombstone RJ
11-29-2010, 08:09 PM
I can't wait until this season is over. This is the worst I've felt ever as a broncos fan. This team is just plain bad all the way around, I hate Sundays now, we have lost to so many bad teams its laughable. This team needs a new coaching staff, Andrew Luck and a ferocious Defensive line, that's all I want.

And you've been a fan since 1997, right?

SJ Bronco
11-29-2010, 08:29 PM
There isnt such a thing. Even Bradford had question marks.

I have to agree out of principle, but this kid seems to be about as close as you can get.

ScottXray
11-29-2010, 08:36 PM
I understand the Tebow pick. His upside is too great...but if we draft Luck I will explode in such an epic meltdown that people will visit the spot of my meltdown in 50 years to take pictures of the outlines of people around me on the pavement.

Hiro-****ing-shima.

If we ignore the front 7...BOOM.

:Broncos:

We won't be drafting Luck, because we WON"T have the #1 pick.....probably.

Top 5...maybe. Get that premier NT

HAT
11-29-2010, 08:48 PM
I have to agree out of principle, but this kid seems to be about as close as you can get.

I'm with you with that assessment but to be fair, that's what most of this board was saying about Locker last year.

Dagmar
11-29-2010, 08:56 PM
We won't be drafting Luck, because we WON"T have the #1 pick.....probably.

Top 5...maybe. Get that premier NT

Exactly, if McD took a QB this board would implode in a way the universe would be in danger. Defence and maybe an O-lineman.