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bronco0608
11-28-2010, 06:28 PM
Let's face it, Tim Tebow is our QB, for better or worse. With McDaniels ability to give QBs amazing stats (Brady's record year, Matt Cassell, Kyle Orton having another career year) why wait two years for Tebow?

With Orton putting up gaudy stats, we might as well get something for him now, instead of not re-signing him in a year and letting him walk. Get something of value for him.

My thinking is this:

The Titans are in a desperate need for a QB and if Jeff Fisher stays, he certainly doesn't want to groom another young QB. He is in Shanny's position from a couple of years back.

How about the Titan's 2nd and 3rd round pick in the 2011 draft for Orton?

Besides being team specific, I do believe Orton's value is a 2nd round pick at least. 3300 yards 20 tds, 6 ints 64% passing completion.

Popps
11-28-2010, 06:30 PM
Let's face it, Tim Tebow is our QB, for better or worse. .

Hilarious!

Stopped reading there.

eddie mac
11-28-2010, 06:32 PM
If the Titans read these boards they wouldn't offer Finnegan's boxing gloves for Orton.

frerottenextelway
11-28-2010, 06:32 PM
I'd put Ortons trade value around a 5th or 6th rounder. He's not young, nobody views him with franchise potential and he comes with a big salary attached.

Dr. Broncenstein
11-28-2010, 06:33 PM
The Vikings, Titans, Dolphins, 49ers, Bills, and Cowboys... just to name a few teams I think would be interested in making a deal.

lostknight
11-28-2010, 06:34 PM
Good quarterbacks are always in demand. But we always have the change to slap a franchise tag on him in 2011, and try a trade then. Given how wrong McDaniels often is - on the optimistic side - about players and readiness, if he says Tebow isn't ready - then I am sure as hell that Tebow ain't ready.

lostknight
11-28-2010, 06:35 PM
Vikings, Titans, Dolphins, 49ers, Bills, and Cowboys

I think you have to pull the Dolphins, Bills and Cowboys off that list. The Bills can probably get Luck if they wanted - although Fitzgerald is doing well. The Boys have their boy wonder. The Dolphins might be interested, but they treat draft picks as gold, IIRC.

Dagmar
11-28-2010, 06:38 PM
I'd put Ortons trade value around a 5th or 6th rounder. He's not young, nobody views him with franchise potential and he comes with a big salary attached.

That's ****ing retarded right there.

Denver724
11-28-2010, 06:38 PM
I'd put Ortons trade value around a 5th or 6th rounder. He's not young, nobody views him with franchise potential and he comes with a big salary attached.

But we signed him to a $9 million extension. Any QB worth $9 million/year must be able to fetch at least a 2nd rounder. Right?

Dr. Broncenstein
11-28-2010, 06:39 PM
Vikings, Titans, Dolphins, 49ers, Bills, and Cowboys

I think you have to pull the Dolphins, Bills and Cowboys off that list. The Bills can probably get Luck if they wanted - although Fitzgerald is doing well. The Boys have their boy wonder. The Dolphins might be interested, but they treat draft picks as gold, IIRC.

The Cowboys are going to be blown up after this year. The Bills will certainly take a first round quarterback, but they could trade out of #1 for an avalanche of picks and obtain a quality vet in Orton plus Locker / Mallet. The Dolphins are going nowhere with Henne and Pennington is too fragile.

bronco0608
11-28-2010, 06:39 PM
I'd put Ortons trade value around a 5th or 6th rounder. He's not young, nobody views him with franchise potential and he comes with a big salary attached.

Thats crazy. You think that a 28 year old QB coming off a season with 4200 yards 25 tds and 10 ints has a 5th round draft value?

Wow

WolfpackGuy
11-28-2010, 06:40 PM
Not as much as we think or we would like unless "The Coach's" brother gets a head coaching gig somewhere.

In that case, multiple first rounders!

Realistically, a mid to late 3rd would be in order.

SonOfLe-loLang
11-28-2010, 06:41 PM
I'd put Ortons trade value around a 5th or 6th rounder. He's not young, nobody views him with franchise potential and he comes with a big salary attached.

You may not love him, but you are vastly undervaluing him. If you have a good running game and defense, he's a great QB to have. In Denver, he has to score touchdowns on every drive. And he's like 28...hardly old.

frerottenextelway
11-28-2010, 06:42 PM
Thats crazy. You think that a 28 year old QB coming off a season with 4200 yards 25 tds and 10 ints has a 5th round draft value?

Wow

Yep. Trade value is one of those things that most fans seem to really get wrong.

bronco0608
11-28-2010, 06:42 PM
Matt Cassell and his half season warranted a 2nd round pick. Matt Schaub warranted a 2nd round pick.

You don't think Mike Singletary (if he isn't fired, and a admitted big time fan of Ortons) wouldn't give his 2nd round pick for Orton?

Orton can easily net a 2nd.

Dr. Broncenstein
11-28-2010, 06:44 PM
Orton is a solid quarterback who can significantly upgrade a team with a supporting cast. There are several teams that will pay a handsome reward for his services. I'm thinking the Vikings would be the perfect team.

SonOfLe-loLang
11-28-2010, 06:44 PM
Yep. Trade value is one of those things that most fans seem to really get wrong.

And you are getting this one really wrong. Orton is really a victim of reputation he earned in his rookie year when he was forced into the starting line up WAY before he was ready. If you look at his last year as Chicagos QB, and his two seasons with Denver, he's been very efficient. Kyle Orton isnt perfect, he's not the kind of QB that will put you on his shoulders and win every game for you, but he's not the reason we are 3-8.

Denver724
11-28-2010, 06:47 PM
Orton is a solid quarterback who can significantly upgrade a team with a supporting cast. There are several teams that will pay a handsome reward for his services. I'm thinking the Vikings would be the perfect team.

Unfortunately, McD would trade him and Orton would probably go win a Super Bowl with his new team.

frerottenextelway
11-28-2010, 06:47 PM
And you are getting this one really wrong. Orton is really a victim of reputation he earned in his rookie year when he was forced into the starting line up WAY before he was ready. If you look at his last year as Chicagos QB, and his two seasons with Denver, he's been very efficient. Kyle Orton isnt perfect, he's not the kind of QB that will put you on his shoulders and win every game for you, but he's not the reason we are 3-8.

You're looking at it from the sellers perspective, trade value is determined by the buyers perspective.

SonOfLe-loLang
11-28-2010, 06:51 PM
You're looking at it from the sellers perspective, trade value is determined by the buyers perspective.

You think there are no teams looking for a starting QB in this league? We dont HAVE to trade Orton, you know. The board is just assuming it'll happen. Regardless, "5th or 6th" is just way too low.

bronco0608
11-28-2010, 06:51 PM
You're looking at it from the sellers perspective, trade value is determined by the buyers perspective.

Then Orton is worth a first to Mike Singletary and Jeff Fisher.

Just look at their situations. A 2nd round pick for an accomplished signal caller in this league is peanuts.

Merlin
11-28-2010, 06:53 PM
I would be surprised if they get better than a third for him. He is 5-16 in his last 21 games, and has performed pathetically when they game depended on him. He is nothing more than an avg QB whose stats are nothing more than a reflection of the offense that favors QB stats. Even when Cutler was throwing interceptions at an alarming rate, had no running game, no defense, and lousy special teams (last year in Denver and first yr in Chicago) he managed to win 8 and 7 games. Orton can be good, but he would need far too much help to accomplish it, and teams are aware of this.

frerottenextelway
11-28-2010, 06:55 PM
You think there are no teams looking for a starting QB in this league? We dont HAVE to trade Orton, you know. The board is just assuming it'll happen. Regardless, "5th or 6th" is just way too low.

That's why you don't see a lot of QBs getting traded in this league. I don't see Orton getting traded.

elsid13
11-28-2010, 06:56 PM
At best you are looking at late 3rd/early 4th. You have a guy coming out of system that made Cassel look extremely good and only has 1 one deal after this season. Most GM would rather take the risk on rookie QB then trade high draft choices for a vet that might be gone after his contract is up.

bronco0608
11-28-2010, 07:09 PM
At best you are looking at late 3rd/early 4th. You have a guy coming out of system that made Cassel look extremely good and only has 1 one deal after this season. Most GM would rather take the risk on rookie QB then trade high draft choices for a vet that might be gone after his contract is up.

Not really. It all depends on the situation. A coach with influence over the front office (like a Jack Del Rio or Jeff Fisher) would not push for a rookie QB over a proven vet like Orton.

They would be fired if they went rookie at QB, and they know it. You can only have so many mediocre seasons in the NFL before you get the ax.

A rookie coach takes a flier on a rookie qb because they know they have years to build around him. Ala a Jeff Schrawtz , Spagnolo, and Raheem Morris.

Orton's value is a high 2nd to some teams, and low fourth to others. Just depends on the situation.

bronco0608
11-28-2010, 07:12 PM
Look at John Fox, he went rookie at QB, and he is basically done in Carolina after a very successful run there.

Rookie QBs, more often than not, get veteran coaches fired. They know the drill.

frerottenextelway
11-28-2010, 07:13 PM
Campbell's trade to Oakland is the closest example I can think of for a fair comparison. He went for a 2012 4th.

frerottenextelway
11-28-2010, 07:16 PM
Look at John Fox, he went rookie at QB, and he is basically done in Carolina after a very successful run there.

Rookie QBs, more often than not, get veteran coaches fired. They know the drill.

He couldn't even get a 7th rounder for DelHomme.

bronco0608
11-28-2010, 07:17 PM
Campbell's trade to Oakland is the closest example I can think of for a fair comparison. He went for a 2012 4th.

And this was AFTER they acquired Donovan McNabb, lowering Campbell's value even lower. Plus, Campbell had terrible stats in DC. And they STILL got a 4th for him.

bronco0608
11-28-2010, 07:18 PM
He couldn't even get a 7th rounder for DelHomme.

Have you seen Delhomme's stats and age? Can't believe you even brought that up. Delhomme's stats, age, and salary were/are horrible.

frerottenextelway
11-28-2010, 07:19 PM
And this was AFTER they acquired Donovan McNabb, lowering Campbell's value even lower. Plus, Campbell had terrible stats in DC. And they STILL got a 4th for him.

Campbell had good stats his last 2 years in DC. The 2012 4th is about equal to a 2011 5th in how trades work.

bronco0608
11-28-2010, 07:22 PM
Campbell had good stats his last 2 years in DC. The 2012 4th is about equal to a 2011 5th in how trades work.

Campbell didn't have good stats. Orton has good stats. Orton will have over thrown him by some 2,000 yards and almost 20 more tds with less ints and a higher completion percentage than Campbell if you compare his last two seasons in denver with Campbells last two season in DC.

Campbell, toe to toe with Orton, is clearly the inferior QB and no one in the NFL doubts that. Thats what he was acquired for what he was acquired for.

Garcia Bronco
11-28-2010, 07:23 PM
There isn't an off-season for him to get traded in.

bronco0608
11-28-2010, 07:24 PM
There isn't an off-season for him to get traded in.

The 2011 draft is happening, so trades leading up to the draft are happening too, right?

frerottenextelway
11-28-2010, 07:30 PM
Campbell didn't have good stats. Orton has good stats. Orton will have over thrown him by some 2,000 yards and almost 20 more tds with less ints and a higher completion percentage than Campbell if you compare his last two seasons in denver with Campbells last two season in DC.

Campbell, toe to toe with Orton, is clearly the inferior QB and no one in the NFL doubts that. Thats what he was acquired for what he was acquired for.

More pass attempts in a pass friendly O make up most of that. I'm not saying it to be a d_ck, you're just setting yourself up to be disappointed.

Boltjolt
11-28-2010, 07:31 PM
But we signed him to a $9 million extension. Orton worth $9 million/year must be able to fetch at least a 2nd rounder. Right?

That might get you no takers is what that will do.

Boltjolt
11-28-2010, 07:34 PM
The Cowboys are going to be blown up after this year. The Bills will certainly take a first round quarterback, but they could trade out of #1 for an avalanche of picks and obtain a quality vet in Orton plus Locker / Mallet. The Dolphins are going nowhere with Henne and Pennington is too fragile.

Your dreaming if you think Jerry Jones is going to get rid of Romo for Orton ROFL!

For 9 mil a year, teams might just wait for him to be released and sign him cheaper. But, it only takes 1 team to think they just need a QB, but i only see Tennesee as the only one there IF they dont keep Vince Young.

There is always Al.......Campbell and Gradkowski suck.

frerottenextelway
11-28-2010, 07:36 PM
Your dreaming if you think Jerry Jones is going to get rid of Romo for Orton ROFL!

For 9 mil a year, teams might just wait for him to be released and sign him cheaper.

He's not getting released which is why he'll be a Bronco next year.

Boltjolt
11-28-2010, 07:38 PM
He's not getting released which is why he'll be a Bronco next year.

I agree with you. However, there is always the chance if they go with Tebow it can happen. Probably unlikely though.

Dr. Broncenstein
11-28-2010, 07:41 PM
Your dreaming if you think Jerry Jones is going to get rid of Romo for Orton ROFL!

For 9 mil a year, teams might just wait for him to be released and sign him cheaper. But, it only takes 1 team to think they just need a QB, but i only see Tennesee as the only one there IF they dont keep Vince Young.

There is always Al.......Campbell and Gradkowski suck.

Last time I checked that owner / GM made the team Romo-friendly, and it collapsed like a flan in a cupboard. Kitna is done. So you probably have an owner with a giant hard-on for Ryan Mallet and a need for an established vet.

Maximus
11-28-2010, 07:42 PM
Let's face it, Tim Tebow is our QB, for better or worse. With McDaniels ability to give QBs amazing stats (Brady's record year, Matt Cassell, Kyle Orton having another career year) why wait two years for Tebow?

With Orton putting up gaudy stats, we might as well get something for him now, instead of not re-signing him in a year and letting him walk. Get something of value for him.

My thinking is this:

The Titans are in a desperate need for a QB and if Jeff Fisher stays, he certainly doesn't want to groom another young QB. He is in Shanny's position from a couple of years back.

How about the Titan's 2nd and 3rd round pick in the 2011 draft for Orton?

Besides being team specific, I do believe Orton's value is a 2nd round pick at least. 3300 yards 20 tds, 6 ints 64% passing completion.

No matter what happens with the Raiders, I can always count on pure comedy bordering on stupidity from a jackass fan!

Boltjolt
11-28-2010, 07:44 PM
Last time I checked that owner / GM made the team Romo-friendly, and it collapsed like a flan in a cupboard. Kitna is done. So you probably have an owner with a giant hard-on for Ryan Mallet and a need for an established vet.

Like i said, keep dreaming! The Cowboys are not going to get Orton to replace Romo Ha!

Dr. Broncenstein
11-28-2010, 07:46 PM
Like i said, keep dreaming! The Cowboys are not going to get Orton to replace Romo Ha!

Couldn't care less if they do. I hope Orton stays here. Just speculating his possible trade value, as the title of the thread suggests.

frerottenextelway
11-28-2010, 07:47 PM
For comparison sake, what do people think Romo's trade value is?