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Miss I.
11-28-2010, 12:55 PM
I was looking for an article on McDaniels being fired just out of curiosity and there is definitely a lot of speculation out there and even a Blog dedicated to this cause (http://www.firejoshmcdanielsnow.com/) At any rate my search took me to an article on Bleacher Report (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/528063-broncos-spygate-pat-bowlen-must-fire-josh-mcdaniels-immediately-or-lose-fans) on firing Josh, but then I clicked on the article about Overrated QBs (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/524778-the-50-most-overrated-qbs-in-nfl-history)

At any rate I found this list quite disturbing. Largely because at #26 is John Elway, but there are others I disagree with, some I agree with and figured I would throw it out for discussion. I don't know if this has been posted before. I did a search but didn't see any obvious suspects. If it is a repeat please Mods feel free to merge, delete, whatever.

Anyway, link is above, but in short here is the list of top 50 overrated QBs according to Bleacher reports, presumably the closer to #1 on the list they are the more overrated they are considered.

50. Eli Manning
49. Chad Pennington
48. Trent Dilfer
47. Jake Plummer
46. Jason Campbell
45. Kordell Stewart
44. Mark Sanchez
43. Jay Cutler
42. Ron Jaworski
41. Brian Sipe

Miss I.
11-28-2010, 12:56 PM
40 -30
40. Bernie Kosar
39. Jeff Hostetler
38. Jim Everett
37. Ken O'Brien
36. Ken Anderson
35. Dan Pastorini
34. Daunte Culpepper
33. Jake Delhomme
32. Carson Palmer
31. Tony Romo
30. Phil Simms

Miss I.
11-28-2010, 12:58 PM
29 - 20
29. Kerry Collins
28. Jim Kelly
27. Terry Bradshaw
26. John Elway
25. Troy Aikman
24. Boomer Esiason
23. Vinny Testaverde
22. Doug Flutie
21. Steve McNair
20. Drew Bledsoe

Miss I.
11-28-2010, 12:59 PM
And the rest

19. Milt Plum
18. Archie Manning
17. Roman Gabriel
16. George Blanda
15. Daryle Lamonica
14. John Hadl
13. Norm Snead
12. Bob Griese
11. Brett Favre
10. Len Dawson
9. Johnny Unitas
8. Fran Tarkenton
7. Bart Starr
6. Randall Cunningham
5. Otto Graham
4. Bobby Layne
3. Dan Fouts
2. Warren Moon
1. Joe Namath

Dagmar
11-28-2010, 12:59 PM
Who RATES Jake Delhomme!?!?!

tsiguy96
11-28-2010, 01:00 PM
when did peyton manning, 1-1 in super bowls and a very average playoff QB, become so amazing?

brett favre is in the same boat, one of the worst QBs as far as being able to trust him to NOT lose a game for you. the brett favre chuck and duck is one of the worst things to ever see the NFL, and it unfortunately made him famous.

vancejohnson82
11-28-2010, 01:00 PM
i agree with #1 without a doubt....

but how does a guy like Elway end up on there?

Pony Boy
11-28-2010, 01:01 PM
What....... where is Craig Penrose..

Clockwork Orange
11-28-2010, 01:01 PM
Another bang up job by the always informative bleacher report. ::)

vancejohnson82
11-28-2010, 01:06 PM
i was pretty overrated in high school

rbackfactory80
11-28-2010, 01:09 PM
Jake Plummer. He was so overrated. Actually he took more criticism and abuse than anyone.

Mark Sanchez played in the league for about 15 minutes.

Hostetler takes a ton of abuse but he was a good player, with the Giants at least.

Jim Kelley at 28, what does that even mean?

What a list, I think a better argument could be made for Montana being on the list than Elway.

Gort
11-28-2010, 01:09 PM
Joe Montana not on the list?

WTF??

a very, very overrated QB. he won because of the gimmicky system the 49ers ran at a time when other teams relied on smashmouth traditional running football. because of weak conference foes, the 49ers had an easy road to the playoffs year in and year out, before they had play tougher teams like the Eagles, Redskins, Giants, Bears, etc. which were built to beat each other, not some gimmicky WCO that they hardly faced during the regular season.

how hard is it to throw a 3 yard inside slant pass anyway?

Miss I.
11-28-2010, 01:12 PM
well, here's what he says his basis for rating is:
Large determinants in my rankings were QB rating, completion percentage and interception percentage, measured by the percentage of passes that were picked off during a quarterback's career.
Super Bowl winners, for the most part, were ranked better, despite the statistics and circumstances that placed them on this list.
Quarterbacks who had a high amount of Pro Bowl selections or were inducted into the Hall of Fame were scrutinized more closely, as the overwhelming recognition they garnered demanded overwhelming numbers and performance.

Even given this, the list is mental, nor is it entirely clear how the ranking works. If I read this correctly, he's saying the closer to 50 the person is the more overrated he thinks they are, but not a great list. I was more curious to know what others were missing and how others would think this should go and why? I think using statistics solely is kind of weak myself. Also, if you read his Elway justification, it's pretty weak.

GoBroncos84
11-28-2010, 01:13 PM
Joe Montana, to me, is the most overrated QB ever. Not saying he wasn't good, because he was. But he was a system QB who benefited greatly from the team he played on. Right place at the right time. Had he played for Denver during those early years for Elway he would have been killed and no one would know who he is. John did more with less than any player in NFL history, and when he finally got the team around him and the right system he was in his mid 30's and won 2 Super Bowls.

Miss I.
11-28-2010, 01:14 PM
BTW, here's his write up on Elway:

It wasn't until his 11th season that John Elway had anything close to a star-worthy season. He had a 79.9 career QB rating.
Yes, he won two Super Bowls, but he also lost three, don't forget that. And the system he was in could be compared to that of the New England Patriots or Pittsburgh Steelers today—a winning formula.
I still consider him one of the great quarterbacks of all time, but the hype that surrounds him is of legendary proportions, and he simply does not live up to it for me.

Gort
11-28-2010, 01:16 PM
BTW, here's his write up on Elway:

It wasn't until his 11th season that John Elway had anything close to a star-worthy season. He had a 79.9 career QB rating.
Yes, he won two Super Bowls, but he also lost three, don't forget that. And the system he was in could be compared to that of the New England Patriots or Pittsburgh Steelers today—a winning formula.
I still consider him one of the great quarterbacks of all time, but the hype that surrounds him is of legendary proportions, and he simply does not live up to it for me.

it's just not true. does the writer think that Shanny was coach/OC for all of Elway's career? maybe he's too young to remember a fellow named Reeves.

Miss I.
11-28-2010, 01:17 PM
it's just not true. does the writer think that Shanny was coach/OC for all of Elway's career? maybe he's too young to remember a fellow named Reeves.

The writer is a bit too stats happy for me, plus as you say, I think that highlighted point is asinine. If it applied to any QB, it would be Montana.

briane
11-28-2010, 01:20 PM
but how does a guy like Elway end up on there?

because this article came from Bleacher Report. The dumbest sports website ever created...

TDmvp
11-28-2010, 01:26 PM
This thread should be moved to the butt just for the point ...

Goobzilla
11-28-2010, 01:31 PM
I had to go to Wikipedia just to figure out who Milt Plum is/was.

KipCorrington25
11-28-2010, 01:33 PM
Milt Plum at 19 is a travesty!!!

Oh and fire McCheater.

colonelbeef
11-28-2010, 02:28 PM
It's Bleacher Report people- any tard with a laptop can throw up an "article" there

Popps
11-28-2010, 02:29 PM
Was Plummer ever "rated," either?

Broncos fans love him.. no one else gave him much respect.

RhymesayersDU
11-28-2010, 02:38 PM
Who RATES Jake Delhomme!?!?!

EXACTLY.

I mean, Kordell Stewart is on this list. Are people really looking back and saying "Man, that Kordell Stewart was one of the greats!" Same for so many on that list.

gunns
11-28-2010, 02:53 PM
Jake Plummer. He was so overrated. Actually he took more criticism and abuse than anyone.

Mark Sanchez played in the league for about 15 minutes.

Hostetler takes a ton of abuse but he was a good player, with the Giants at least.

Jim Kelley at 28, what does that even mean?

What a list, I think a better argument could be made for Montana being on the list than Elway.

Absolutely. Elway may have lost 3 SB's but he got there and with what? I loved Favre, Aikman, Bradshaw and Namath being on there. Appropriate.

McDman
11-28-2010, 03:03 PM
Miss. I, you're a smart lady, don't read bleacher report. There is nothing intelligent that is written on that site. If anyone with a remote amonut of football knowledge saw the teams Elway brought to the super bowle they'd know he was anything but overrated.

Miss I.
11-28-2010, 03:18 PM
Miss. I, you're a smart lady, don't read bleacher report. There is nothing intelligent that is written on that site. If anyone with a remote amonut of football knowledge saw the teams Elway brought to the super bowle they'd know he was anything but overrated.

Thank you for the compliment. As for the Bleacher report, yes, the list is definitely questionable, but I mostly posted it as a focal point for discussion. Who should be on the list, who should be higher, who's missing? Any list that shows Elway as overrated is clearly in error, but I do agree on some others. I do think Joe Namath has to be one of the most overrated QBs of all time. And I think Jake Plummer was interesting because I don't think he was overrated for his career, but I do think he was overrated coming out of college as are a lot of QBs that come out of college, but that's a different list all together.

McDman
11-28-2010, 03:44 PM
Thank you for the compliment. As for the Bleacher report, yes, the list is definitely questionable, but I mostly posted it as a focal point for discussion. Who should be on the list, who should be higher, who's missing? Any list that shows Elway as overrated is clearly in error, but I do agree on some others. I do think Joe Namath has to be one of the most overrated QBs of all time. And I think Jake Plummer was interesting because I don't think he was overrated for his career, but I do think he was overrated coming out of college as are a lot of QBs that come out of college, but that's a different list all together.

Btw, please change your sig. It makes me very uncomforta. Hahahaha.

Miss I.
11-28-2010, 11:47 PM
Btw, please change your sig. It makes me very uncomforta. Hahahaha.

Ah come on now, the boys get to put up their bimbo pics. ;D

And I just noticed your avatar, for the record, my view on Jake might be slightly tainted by the fact that he went to ASU while I was at the UA. My wildcat blood does not allow me to like him (though he did help win us a lot of games so I appreciate that).

broncocalijohn
11-29-2010, 12:13 AM
People, people, people. It is Bleacher report. The author's next article will say how the most underrated QBs will have Tebow as #1.

Jason in LA
11-29-2010, 01:51 AM
There are a lot of great QBs on that list, which takes away from the list to me.

Bronco Rob
11-29-2010, 05:12 AM
Joe Montana not on the list?

WTF??

a very, very overrated QB. he won because of the gimmicky system the 49ers ran at a time when other teams relied on smashmouth traditional running football. because of weak conference foes, the 49ers had an easy road to the playoffs year in and year out, before they had play tougher teams like the Eagles, Redskins, Giants, Bears, etc. which were built to beat each other, not some gimmicky WCO that they hardly faced during the regular season.

how hard is it to throw a 3 yard inside slant pass anyway?


Joe Montana, to me, is the most overrated QB ever. Not saying he wasn't good, because he was. But he was a system QB who benefited greatly from the team he played on. Right place at the right time. Had he played for Denver during those early years for Elway he would have been killed and no one would know who he is. John did more with less than any player in NFL history, and when he finally got the team around him and the right system he was in his mid 30's and won 2 Super Bowls.




:strong:

The Moops
11-29-2010, 05:32 AM
Some of these are good, like Archie Manning who no one would even talk about if it wasn't for his sons.

But to list Otto Graham who led his team to 10 straight championship games . . . that's ridiculous

McDman
11-29-2010, 09:19 AM
Ah come on now, the boys get to put up their bimbo pics. ;D

And I just noticed your avatar, for the record, my view on Jake might be slightly tainted by the fact that he went to ASU while I was at the UA. My wildcat blood does not allow me to like him (though he did help win us a lot of games so I appreciate that).

You say bimbo, I say very respectable woman. I can understand the disdain for Plummer, hell, it's hard for me to like Tebow, I went to UT, but I've gotten past it. He was our last QB to do soemthing with this team.

Miss I.
11-29-2010, 09:36 AM
You say bimbo, I say very respectable woman. I can understand the disdain for Plummer, hell, it's hard for me to like Tebow, I went to UT, but I've gotten past it. He was our last QB to do soemthing with this team.

Jake was okay, he was just an arrogant jackass when he lived in AZ. I do have his jersey from the Broncos actually. Kind of dug his Grizzly Adams look for a bit. Not as much into the pornstache tho.

Respectable woman? okay, you say tomato, I say Heinz 57. :egbgb:

McDman
11-29-2010, 10:10 AM
Jake was okay, he was just an arrogant jackass when he lived in AZ. I do have his jersey from the Broncos actually. Kind of dug his Grizzly Adams look for a bit. Not as much into the pornstache tho.

Respectable woman? okay, you say tomato, I say Heinz 57. :egbgb:

Btw, the SEC is far superior to the Pac-10!

Miss I.
11-29-2010, 10:15 AM
Btw, the SEC is far superior to the Pac-10!

probably. I only ever watched the men's basketball team because I loved Lute and the guys. the first year they got to the final four with Sean Elliott and that group there was even a video ala the Superbowl Shuffle. It was so dorky, but I loved those guys.

Our football team I never cared much for. The year they got on SI as "Desert Swarm" they were intolerable on campus. The only bright spot I suppose was Tedy Bruschi, who graduated in the same class as me. I hear he did okay. ;D

Pontius Pirate
11-29-2010, 11:31 AM
I think history will be kinder to Plummer than most of the guys on this list. I mean, the Plummer era for the Broncos is second only to the Elway era.

JJJ
11-29-2010, 01:38 PM
Some of these are good, like Archie Manning who no one would even talk about if it wasn't for his sons.

But to list Otto Graham who led his team to 10 straight championship games . . . that's ridiculous

1000% agree. There has never been a streak like that and there never will be again. He won 7 of those championship games.

How on God's earth can Otto Graham be overrated? He completely dominated his era and it wasn't even close.

That writer is a loon.

jmz313
11-29-2010, 02:00 PM
His underrated QB list probably reads....

#1. Bob Griese. 14-0 miami dolphins SB champs.
#2. Brian Griese. Son of #1.

edit, whoops, miss the bob sucked too.

loborugger
11-29-2010, 03:30 PM
1000% agree. There has never been a streak like that and there never will be again. He won 7 of those championship games.

How on God's earth can Otto Graham be overrated? He completely dominated his era and it wasn't even close.

That writer is a loon.

Or, he is just a kid who has no concept of what Graham accomplished in an era before ESPN.