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footstepsfrom#27
11-27-2010, 11:29 PM
Seems like an appropriate question at the moment for some reason...

Florida lost again today...big...wonder if Urban Meyer feels slightly less enamored with his position at UF now than he did a couple years ago in the midst of his run with Tebow? The story from the link below was posted on here a few weeks back but went largely unoticed...some interesting things about the way Meyer's offense has influenced the Pats, and now Denver's as well...so maybe it should be given renewed consideration? Tebow is here...so is much of the offense Meyer used him with at UF. Makes me wonder...

http://www.footballtimes.org/Article.asp?ID=217

I wanted Meyer here in Denver as my first coaching choice before we got McDaniels. Now that Tebow is here and McDaniels future seems uncertain...and given that so much of his offense is already here since McD installed it, what do you think the chances are Bowlen would look to Meyer if he dumps McD?

If McD bombs give me Urban Meyer, who I believe may be the next great coach in the NFL if he chooses to make the jump.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?p=2533515&highlight=meyer#post2533515

Question is...would he be interested now?

I think Meyer could be an exceptional NFL head coach. People were lukewarm to the idea prior to the McD hiring. With Tebow here now...would you want Meyer if McD leaves? Meyers & Tebow...in the pros?

Thoughts?

Doggcow
11-27-2010, 11:31 PM
Hell no.

Get me the Chin.

Taco John
11-27-2010, 11:36 PM
I hope the rumors that Bowlen doesn't care for Cowher are true. I would hate to see him as the Broncos head coach.

footstepsfrom#27
11-27-2010, 11:39 PM
I'd take Chuckie over the Chin.

BigPlayShay
11-27-2010, 11:46 PM
I'm just gonna throw a name out there for the hell of it, Jim Fassel.

gunns
11-27-2010, 11:50 PM
I think the focus here has been too much on the offense for the past 11 years. Time to go defensive and don't tell me that an offensive coach also has to focus on the defense. It hasn't happened yet. At one time I would have loved to have Meyer. Now I want a defensive minded coach who recognizes just how important the defense is.

Clockwork Orange
11-28-2010, 12:07 AM
Now I want a defensive minded coach who recognizes just how important the defense is.

Amen. That's what I wanted when Shanahan was fired. I will continue to covet this very type of coach until we actually get one.

Garcia Bronco
11-28-2010, 12:12 AM
The defense isn't as important anymore except upfront.

yerner
11-28-2010, 12:13 AM
No. A real gm.

SouthStndJunkie
11-28-2010, 12:24 AM
I would love to see Jim Harbaugh coach my Wolverines, but if he wants an NFL gig, he would be my choice for the Broncos.

gunns
11-28-2010, 12:36 AM
The defense isn't as important anymore except upfront.

It's more important than it has been for decades. Look at the top teams and look at the winners of the SB over the last decade. It's probably the most important part of a team.

I would say the offense isn't as important anymore except the OL. They can often make any QB or RB look good.

Taco John
11-28-2010, 12:58 AM
It's more important than it has been for decades. Look at the top teams and look at the winners of the SB over the last decade. It's probably the most important part of a team.

I would the offense isn't as important anymore except the OL. They can often make any QB or RB look good.


I don't mean to minimize the important of defense. As far as I'm concerned, the NFL has done that itself through the constant and methodical neutering of defense over the last decade, and the continuing effort to take defense out of the game for "safety."

But if the question is looking at the winners of the SB over the last decade, here is the most common thread that I see:


2010: Drew Brees
2009: Ben Roethlisberger
2008: Eli Manning
2007: Peyton Manning
2006: Ben Roethlisberger
2005: Tom Brady
2004: Tom Brady
2003: Brad Johnson
2002: Tom Brady
2001: Trent Dilfer
2000: Kurt Warner

Cito Pelon
11-28-2010, 01:09 AM
I don't mean to minimize the important of defense. As far as I'm concerned, the NFL has done that itself through the constant and methodical neutering of defense over the last decade, and the continuing effort to take defense out of the game for "safety."

But if the question is looking at the winners of the SB over the last decade, here is the most common thread that I see:


2010: Drew Brees
2009: Ben Roethlisberger
2008: Eli Manning
2007: Peyton Manning
2006: Ben Roethlisberger
2005: Tom Brady
2004: Tom Brady
2003: Brad Johnson
2002: Tom Brady
2001: Trent Dilfer
2000: Kurt Warner

Orton could pull an Eli Manning a la 2008 if he had a good 3-phase team around him.

footstepsfrom#27
11-28-2010, 01:25 AM
I think the focus here has been too much on the offense for the past 11 years. Time to go defensive and don't tell me that an offensive coach also has to focus on the defense. It hasn't happened yet. At one time I would have loved to have Meyer. Now I want a defensive minded coach who recognizes just how important the defense is.
If you read the link I posted above, he ranked his priority for a winning game plan with the defense getting the #1 spot...but more to the point, we need to think about the step backwards if you bring in an entirely new kind of coach, staff, etc...you're starting all over again and scrapping top talent, etc. etc...all the stuff we hated about what just happened. So if somehow it were possible to move McD but retain most of the system he's installed without having to change much, that would be a bonus. Nobody on the current staff can coach this team but Meyer would have the credibility to continue this offense because he basically created it in the first place. Read this from the link I posted above:

After the New England Patriots 2004 season, coach Bill Belicheck and offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels went to Gainesville, Florida to meet with Urban Meyer, scout some of his offensive players and discuss the spread option with him. Over the next few years, they would form a great bond and change the New England Patriots offensive attack from an old, smashmouth, Earhardt-Perkins offense left over from the Charlie Weiss and Bill Parcells era, to a new spread attack. The rest is history!

The 2007 New England Patriots went on to break every offensive NFL record with this new spread attack. They grew tired of stumbling into super bowls and barely winning them by three points. They wanted the offense to be explosive and be able to dictate to the defense. If you watch their offense, they use multiple formations to run the same plays, similar to Meyer's spread. The exception is that the NFL quarterback can't run. At least, not yet.

It will be interesting to see how coach Josh McDaniels implements his offense in Denver. With all the new offensive weapons (great wide receivers, great tight ends, great full back and running back), the best pass-blocking offensive line in all of football, and Kyle Orton at the helm (played in Purdue's spread offense), Josh will have every opportunity to continue the spread offense he began in New England.

Of course, in the NFL, the quarterback doesn't usually run, so you are always playing 10 versus 11. But this may change with the new "wildcat" that the Miami Dolphins have adopted. They also went on to draft Pat White, who ran the West Virginia spread offense with coach Rich Rodriguez. It will be interesting to see what they decide to do with their new talents.

We have added a number of Spread Offense plays and have even uploaded Urban Meyer's playbook to our playbook section. Take a look and enjoy using this simple spread attack.

Here's something else to consider; any new coach would surely have a distinct advantage if he were already familiar with, and commited to being on board with Tebow as the QB if he is able to play in the system designed for him by McDaniels. At the very least he's commited to the idea that he's a legitiate candidate and the QBOTF guy that you don't junk till he gets his fair shot. Obviously Meyer fits the bill there as well, and nobody but Meyer would probably please Tebow if he were presented the choice of McDaniels or Coach X to named later. I could see Tebow doing all the right things to make it under anyone else as well but it would surely be faster with this guy at the helm.

Second, the defense came last under Shanny and it seems under Josh but I don't know why we have to think an offensive minded guy like this wouldn't still hire a solid NFL DC like Jimmy Johnson did when he came in. Meyer's no fool and he'd bring with him an instant swagger that comes with accomplishing some rare things at a very high level. I think he'd have no trouble attacting a solid NFL DC and assistants.

epicSocialism4tw
11-28-2010, 02:00 AM
Orton could pull an Eli Manning a la 2008 if he had a good 3-phase team around him.

Trent Dilfer did the same thing.

This team's future is with Tebow.

BroncoMatt
11-28-2010, 02:09 AM
Here's a crazy idea, Marty. His teams always compete and play with intensity. He has never been able to get over the hump but he was usually on the hump.

Vladimir
11-28-2010, 02:20 AM
Here's a crazy idea, Marty. His teams always compete and play with intensity. He has never been able to get over the hump but he was usually on the hump.

I would go crazy if the Broncos started playing "Martyball"

Crushaholic
11-28-2010, 05:41 AM
We're already going through one coach learning to win, as the head guy, in the NFL. We don't need to start over with another...

elsid13
11-28-2010, 05:45 AM
Myers is college coach and isn't going to be professional coach any time soon. We need a NFL coordinator that experience and failed being a head coach the first time and gone back and proved himself on successful team.

theAPAOps5
11-28-2010, 06:39 AM
I hope the rumors that Bowlen doesn't care for Cowher are true. I would hate to see him as the Broncos head coach.

YES thank you something I 100% agree with you on.

Gort
11-28-2010, 06:47 AM
Amen. That's what I wanted when Shanahan was fired. I will continue to covet this very type of coach until we actually get one.

as much as i hate to say this, can you imagine if we'd gone after rex ryan instead of McD? look what he's done in just 2 years with that sh*tty Jets franchise. i don't like the guy, but he took the Jets to the AFCC game in year 1 and has them at 9-2 in year 2.

maybe we should all pitch in and get McD a copy of Ryan's book about football strategy when its published next spring.

lostknight
11-28-2010, 06:54 AM
As long as Urban had some very well qualified coaches with him, I would grab him in a heartbeat.

Liquid Courage
11-28-2010, 06:59 AM
Urban nearly killed himself with stress in the relatively sedate college ranks. The NFL would literally kill him. For my money I would rather have Stoops, a solid teacher who is smart enough to do what McD has not - surround himself with people smarter than he is.

That said, I think a new GM is a must. The constant dumpster diving of the Pats shows that McD is still too attached to his roots and that those above him are incapable of telling him no.

Pony Boy
11-28-2010, 07:19 AM
Urban nearly killed himself with stress in the relatively sedate college ranks. The NFL would literally kill him. For my money I would rather have Stoops, a solid teacher who is smart enough to do what McD has not - surround himself with people smarter than he is.

That said, I think a new GM is a must. The constant dumpster diving of the Pats shows that McD is still too attached to his roots and that those above him are incapable of telling him no.

This ture......Urban Myers has bad health issues and his family wants him to get out of coaching.

Sports Illustrated chronicled Meyer's coaching career and reported that he suffered from persistent headaches caused by an arachnoid cyst that becomes inflamed by stress, rage and excitement.
Meyer told the magazine that since the diagnosis in the early 2000s he has tried to stay composed during games.


http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4772952

go_broncos
11-28-2010, 07:27 AM
I hope we get jim harbaugh and Locker.

Pony Boy
11-28-2010, 07:39 AM
Bring in Gus Malzahn as OC

LonghornBronco
11-28-2010, 07:50 AM
What about Mike Nolen. Just a thought

maher_tyler
11-28-2010, 08:11 AM
I hope we can bring in someone that can talk the talk and walk the walk..all i've heard from McD is talk and no action...i've sat back long enough and i've seen nothing that impresses me...and now with the team getting busted for video taping the 9ers walk through..i wouldn't be sad to see him go to say the least!!

bowtown
11-28-2010, 08:23 AM
McD will be our coach for at least one more year. Everyone needs to settle down.

Pony Boy
11-28-2010, 08:31 AM
McD will be our coach for at least one more year. Everyone needs to settle down.

I think spygate 2 will be the straw......... total embarrassment to the Bronco’s organization

Liquid Courage
11-28-2010, 08:37 AM
McD will be our coach for at least one more year. Everyone needs to settle down.

Indeed. Everyone settle down and rest in the comfort of knowing we have one more season of excuses, unrealized talent, feigned passion, perplexed defensive schemes and finesse football that will net more losses than wins. I'm more excited than ever for future!

Drek
11-28-2010, 08:38 AM
as much as i hate to say this, can you imagine if we'd gone after rex ryan instead of McD? look what he's done in just 2 years with that sh*tty Jets franchise. i don't like the guy, but he took the Jets to the AFCC game in year 1 and has them at 9-2 in year 2.

maybe we should all pitch in and get McD a copy of Ryan's book about football strategy when its published next spring.

Rex Ryan is far from the only key piece to the Jets' recent success.

Mike Tannenbaum, former Belichick assistant, managed that transition and used it to construct a very good offensive staff with Brian Schottenheimer and Calahan at the core. He assembled almost that entire roster prior to Ryan being hired. All Ryan has done is help take their D to the next level (from good to great) and provided a level of swagger and bravado they had been lacking. All their best players were already in place, their OL was already in place, etc.. Mangini had the Jets going on a pretty impressive run early in his tenure there too.

Dr. Broncenstein
11-28-2010, 08:46 AM
Why in the world would you consider a guy who has proven to be successful at one time in the NFL, when you can hire the next hot coordinator or college coach? I mean, if one thing has been shown to work -- it's that hiring the next "it" guy with no previous NFL head-coaching experience always works. Just look at the last 20 years of superbowl winning coaches for examples.

Paladin
11-28-2010, 08:47 AM
Speculation is useless. McD is not going anywhere.

Dr. Broncenstein
11-28-2010, 08:48 AM
Speculation is useless. McD is not going anywhere.

Keep f--king that chicken.

Archer81
11-28-2010, 08:49 AM
What about Mike Nolen. Just a thought


Do you mean Mike Nolan?

:Broncos:

bowtown
11-28-2010, 08:54 AM
:sunshine:Indeed. Everyone settle down and rest in the comfort of knowing we have one more season of excuses, unrealized talent, feigned passion, perplexed defensive schemes and finesse football that will net more losses than wins. I'm more excited than ever for future!

No reason for you to watch the games then. See you in 2012, or 2013 if there's a lockout.

An Open Letter to Everyone in This Thread:

Dear Kneejerks,

If people really think that McD is going to be fired after only 2 years with a lockout looming and Bowlen still on the hook to pay Shanahan 3 mil for another year, you are going to be severely disappointed. All this coach speculation is for nothing. This spygay thing is a nothing blip on the radar; it's not even close to as harmful to McDaniel's job security as the Raiders blowout. Like him or not, McD is going to be here for at least another season of football, so if you don't like him and have no faith in his ability as a coach, you should just find another hobby for a couple years. I am concerned for you all and your health. I'd hate to see you all go on blood pressure meds or get the bettus due to something YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO POWER OVER. You should really take a little break.

Best,

Bowtown

Tombstone RJ
11-28-2010, 09:00 AM
Seems like an appropriate question at the moment for some reason...

Florida lost again today...big...wonder if Urban Meyer feels slightly less enamored with his position at UF now than he did a couple years ago in the midst of his run with Tebow? The story from the link below was posted on here a few weeks back but went largely unoticed...some interesting things about the way Meyer's offense has influenced the Pats, and now Denver's as well...so maybe it should be given renewed consideration? Tebow is here...so is much of the offense Meyer used him with at UF. Makes me wonder...

http://www.footballtimes.org/Article.asp?ID=217

I wanted Meyer here in Denver as my first coaching choice before we got McDaniels. Now that Tebow is here and McDaniels future seems uncertain...and given that so much of his offense is already here since McD installed it, what do you think the chances are Bowlen would look to Meyer if he dumps McD?



http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?p=2533515&highlight=meyer#post2533515

Question is...would he be interested now?

I think Meyer could be an exceptional NFL head coach. People were lukewarm to the idea prior to the McD hiring. With Tebow here now...would you want Meyer if McD leaves? Meyers & Tebow...in the pros?

Thoughts?


Hilarious!LOL


No way Meyer walks away from Florida for a more stressful job in the NFL. He'd keel over of a heart attack the first year in the NFL.

elsid13
11-28-2010, 09:00 AM
:sunshine:

No reason for you to watch the games then. See you in 2012, or 2013 if there's a lockout.

An Open Letter to Everyone in This Thread:

Dear Kneejerks,

If people really think that McD is going to be fired after only 2 years with a lockout looming and Bowlen still on the hook to pay Shanahan 3 mil for another year, you are going to be severely disappointed. All this coach speculation is for nothing. This spygay thing is a nothing blip on the radar; it's not even close to as harmful to McDaniel's job security as the Raiders blowout. Like him or not, McD is going to be here for at least another season of football, so if you don't like him and have no faith in his ability as a coach, you should just find another hobby for a couple years. I am concerned for you all and your health. I'd hate to see you all go on blood pressure meds or get the bettus due to something YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO POWER OVER. You should really take a little break.

Best,

Bowtown

Just a note, most of the current coaching contract give the flexibility of the owners not to pay coaches if there is lockout. It one of the grips the coaches have with the owners right now and very under reported story.

This is NFLPA site http://www.nflplayers.com/Articles/CBA-News/The-NFLs-Lockout-Checklist/

Impose lockout clauses in coaches’ and executives’ contracts that give clubs the right to reduce compensation in the event of a lockout. Make sure to include language that will reduce, terminate, or suspend the contract on 20 days’ notice, reduce salary by 50 percent if a lockout continues for more than 90 days, terminate the employee without pay on 60 days’ notice, and extend the contract another year at the same terms as 2011 if at least eight NFL games are canceled due to a lockout.

Dr. Broncenstein
11-28-2010, 09:02 AM
:sunshine:

No reason for you to watch the games then. See you in 2012, or 2013 if there's a lockout.

An Open Letter to Everyone in This Thread:

Dear Kneejerks,

If people really think that McD is going to be fired after only 2 years with a lockout looming and Bowlen still on the hook to pay Shanahan 3 mil for another year, you are going to be severely disappointed. All this coach speculation is for nothing. This spygay thing is a nothing blip on the radar; it's not even close to as harmful to McDaniel's job security as the Raiders blowout. Like him or not, McD is going to be here for at least another season of football, so if you don't like him and have no faith in his ability as a coach, you should just find another hobby for a couple years. I am concerned for you all and your health. I'd hate to see you all go on blood pressure meds or get the bettus due to something YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO POWER OVER. You should really take a little break.

Best,

Bowtown

I don't like McD and have no faith in him. But it's just a game. A game I like to enjoy and occasionally use as an excuse to drink beer and sit on my ass. So if I have the beetus or hypertension, it's probably because I drink beer and sit on my ass on sunday watching this pathetic team... not because I have an emotional problem stemming from the hapless head coach. But I do appreciate your concern, and honestly will stop watching if I feel it is causing me emotional distress. Also, I will probably continue to post my dislike for the manchurian manchild until he is either gone, or he miraculously turns this organization around. :sunshine:

Liquid Courage
11-28-2010, 09:05 AM
:sunshine:

No reason for you to watch the games then.

Wow. You're correct again! My lack of blind faith stemming from multiple blow out losses to division rivals has clouded my vision and left me blind to the inevitable turnaround that is so evident to those who "believe". Thanks for helping me see the light .... I would like to now retract my previous statement and declare any questioning of THE PLAN 2.0 as null and void.

elsid13
11-28-2010, 09:06 AM
Posted this in the wrong thread

According to a Lester Munson report (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/commentary/news/story?page=munson/100722)on ESPN.com, a study by the NFL Coaches Association revealed that the Bears have a clause in the contracts of assistant coaches under contract for 2011 and beyond that will reduce their salary by 25 percent on the day a lockout begins. The club will have the option to "dismiss" coaches after a 60-day notice.

It's not an uncommon situation. Munson cites contracts for various NFL teams. The New York Jets will reduce salaries by 25 percent the day a lockout begins and after 90 days the reduction will become 50 percent or coaches will be fired. The Minnesota Vikings will keep assistants at full pay for 90 days, followed by a 75 percent pay cut for 90 days and then dismissal. Other teams, such Arizona, Denver and Tampa Bay have provisions for salary reductions at various points but will not can coaches.


http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com...ssistants.html (http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/07/nfl-lockout-could-be-costly-to-bears-assistants.html)
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/commentary/news/story?page=munson/100722

Denver Broncos (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=den): A 50 percent salary reduction on the day the lockout begins.

bowtown
11-28-2010, 09:07 AM
I don't like McD and have no faith in him. But it's just a game. A game I like to enjoy and occasionally use as an excuse to drink beer and sit on my ass. So if I have the beetus or hypertension, it's probably because I drink beer and sit on my ass on sunday watching this pathetic team... not because I have an emotional problem stemming from the hapless head coach. But I do appreciate your concern, and honestly will stop watching if I feel it is causing me emotional distress. Also, I will probably continue to post my dislike for the manchurian manchild until he is either gone, or he miraculously turns this organization around. :sunshine:

I'm not talking to you. You are a doctor. You can worry about your own health. ;)

Plus I like reading your posts.

Tombstone RJ
11-28-2010, 09:08 AM
:sunshine:

No reason for you to watch the games then. See you in 2012, or 2013 if there's a lockout.

An Open Letter to Everyone in This Thread:

Dear Kneejerks,

If people really think that McD is going to be fired after only 2 years with a lockout looming and Bowlen still on the hook to pay Shanahan 3 mil for another year, you are going to be severely disappointed. All this coach speculation is for nothing. This spygay thing is a nothing blip on the radar; it's not even close to as harmful to McDaniel's job security as the Raiders blowout. Like him or not, McD is going to be here for at least another season of football, so if you don't like him and have no faith in his ability as a coach, you should just find another hobby for a couple years. I am concerned for you all and your health. I'd hate to see you all go on blood pressure meds or get the bettus due to something YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO POWER OVER. You should really take a little break.

Best,

Bowtown

So nice it needs to be posted twice. TJ should just hand over the OMane to someone else for the next 18 months or so.

Dr. Broncenstein
11-28-2010, 09:09 AM
With the millions upon millions of dollars Bowlen paid for dogshiat draftees and free-agent busts, does anyone honestly think a few million dollars on McD's contract will be the reason he stays?

Tombstone RJ
11-28-2010, 09:09 AM
I don't like McD and have no faith in him. But it's just a game. A game I like to enjoy and occasionally use as an excuse to drink beer and sit on my ass. So if I have the beetus or hypertension, it's probably because I drink beer and sit on my ass on sunday watching this pathetic team... not because I have an emotional problem stemming from the hapless head coach. But I do appreciate your concern, and honestly will stop watching if I feel it is causing me emotional distress. Also, I will probably continue to post my dislike for the manchurian manchild until he is either gone, or he miraculously turns this organization around. :sunshine:

focus on the Razorbacks!

bowtown
11-28-2010, 09:10 AM
Posted this in the wrong thread

According to a Lester Munson report (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/commentary/news/story?page=munson/100722)on ESPN.com, a study by the NFL Coaches Association revealed that the Bears have a clause in the contracts of assistant coaches under contract for 2011 and beyond that will reduce their salary by 25 percent on the day a lockout begins. The club will have the option to "dismiss" coaches after a 60-day notice.

It's not an uncommon situation. Munson cites contracts for various NFL teams. The New York Jets will reduce salaries by 25 percent the day a lockout begins and after 90 days the reduction will become 50 percent or coaches will be fired. The Minnesota Vikings will keep assistants at full pay for 90 days, followed by a 75 percent pay cut for 90 days and then dismissal. Other teams, such Arizona, Denver and Tampa Bay have provisions for salary reductions at various points but will not can coaches.


http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com...ssistants.html (http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/07/nfl-lockout-could-be-costly-to-bears-assistants.html)
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/commentary/news/story?page=munson/100722

Denver Broncos (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=den): A 50 percent salary reduction on the day the lockout begins.

Thanks for this. This is a very interesting development. I wonder if the 50% reduction holds true if termination occurs.

Dr. Broncenstein
11-28-2010, 09:12 AM
focus on the Razorbacks!

Just think: they would be undefeated if they had TCU's schedule. But I'm pretty stoked about the probable Sugar Bowl bid.

elsid13
11-28-2010, 09:13 AM
Thanks for this. This is a very interesting development. I wonder if the 50% reduction holds true if termination occurs.

The termination most likely will have to happen after the lockout occurs. A smart lawyer might take Bowlen to court but I doubt there is anything he/she could due to get McDaniels his full contract value.

bowtown
11-28-2010, 09:14 AM
With the millions upon millions of dollars Bowlen paid for dogshiat draftees and free-agent busts, does anyone honestly think a few million dollars on McD's contract will be the reason he stays?

I don't think it will be the only reason, but I think it would certainly play a big part. Add a few million dollars to the 3.5 owed to Shanahan, plus the money owed to his staff that could all potentially be fired by the incoming regime, plus the new salaries for all new incoming staff (which could be huge if they bring in a Cowher or Gruden), suddenly that couple million dollars turns into a pretty good size chunk of change to be spending on just coaching.

Tombstone RJ
11-28-2010, 09:15 AM
Shanny really screwed poor old Pat with his contract.

Dudeskey
11-28-2010, 09:18 AM
I think spygate 2 will be the straw......... total embarrassment to the Bronco’s organization

I think, bowtown is right. I don't think Bowlen wants to be on the hook for salaries on 2 coaches that are no longer in the organization. Remember, we are still paying Shanahan til '12.

Broncos_OTM
11-28-2010, 09:22 AM
As long as Urban had some very well qualified coaches with him, I would grab him in a heartbeat.

Florida has been gifted some great talent. Yet they are unable to groom any of that talent for the NFL. Just look at some of the guys that have come out of Florida. I want NFL cordinators. hopefully they can arrange a marriage with a good Defensive Cordiantor much like we did with nolan

montrose
11-28-2010, 09:29 AM
I hope the rumors that Bowlen doesn't care for Cowher are true. I would hate to see him as the Broncos head coach.

I'm curious as to why (not that I champion Cowher being here either). He has a much better record as a HC then Kubiak or Nolan - two guys you've said you would like as HC.

TonyR
11-28-2010, 09:48 AM
I don't think it will be the only reason, but I think it would certainly play a big part.

Agree, and it's also just common business sense. Why pay another coach headed into a lockout? If you're going to fire McD you do it after the lockout or after the 2011 season, whichever comes first.

Liquid Courage
11-28-2010, 09:53 AM
Agree, and it's also just common business sense. Why pay another coach headed into a lockout? If you're going to fire McD you do it after the lockout or after the 2011 season, whichever comes first.

It will make common business sense until we reach the point in which the 'damage inflicted' exceeds the cost of the contract . . . I think we are all simply divided upon where on the spectrum of 'damage inflicted' we view our favorite team.

TonyR
11-28-2010, 09:57 AM
It will make common business sense until we reach the point in which the 'damage inflicted' exceeds the cost of the contract . . . I think we are all simply divided upon where on the spectrum of 'damage inflicted' we view our favorite team.

Well, this team isn't going anywhere this year. Qnd if there's a lockout next season it won't be going anywhere next year, either. So why pay 3 coaches (Shanahan, McDaniels, and New Coach X) to go nowhere next year? The only way it would make sense is if you have a current member of the staff be an interim head coach in which case there would be no incremental salary to pay out.

Liquid Courage
11-28-2010, 10:07 AM
Well, this team isn't going anywhere this year. Qnd if there's a lockout next season it won't be going anywhere next year, either. So why pay 3 coaches (Shanahan, McDaniels, and New Coach X) to go nowhere next year? The only way it would make sense is if you have a current member of the staff be an interim head coach in which case there would be no incremental salary to pay out.

Yep. It would literally take a serious act of failure on the part of this administration to warrant the change. That I agree with. But the way things are going I wouldn't be surprised to see more come out of the video taping incident and/or for another series of embarrasements to arise out of nowhere.

Sorry if I'm seeming down or overly negative, I'm just watching trends and trying to step back from my wishes and wants to see what is really there - which, on the surface, seems to be a LOT more bad than good.

gunns
11-28-2010, 10:24 AM
I don't mean to minimize the important of defense. As far as I'm concerned, the NFL has done that itself through the constant and methodical neutering of defense over the last decade, and the continuing effort to take defense out of the game for "safety."

But if the question is looking at the winners of the SB over the last decade, here is the most common thread that I see:


2010: Drew Brees
2009: Ben Roethlisberger
2008: Eli Manning
2007: Peyton Manning
2006: Ben Roethlisberger
2005: Tom Brady
2004: Tom Brady
2003: Brad Johnson
2002: Tom Brady
2001: Trent Dilfer
2000: Kurt Warner

You made my point right there. Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Eli. I would also say without a hint of doubt that 2002, that NE defense won that SB, same with Ben in 2006 and I don't believe there is any doubt that the Giants D won that SB against Tom Brady. I would even say that the Saints D pulled that one out for them. And can you say the Rams D didn't save that one?

oubronco
11-28-2010, 10:29 AM
Seems like an appropriate question at the moment for some reason...

Florida lost again today...big...wonder if Urban Meyer feels slightly less enamored with his position at UF now than he did a couple years ago in the midst of his run with Tebow? The story from the link below was posted on here a few weeks back but went largely unoticed...some interesting things about the way Meyer's offense has influenced the Pats, and now Denver's as well...so maybe it should be given renewed consideration? Tebow is here...so is much of the offense Meyer used him with at UF. Makes me wonder...

http://www.footballtimes.org/Article.asp?ID=217

I wanted Meyer here in Denver as my first coaching choice before we got McDaniels. Now that Tebow is here and McDaniels future seems uncertain...and given that so much of his offense is already here since McD installed it, what do you think the chances are Bowlen would look to Meyer if he dumps McD?



http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?p=2533515&highlight=meyer#post2533515

Question is...would he be interested now?

I think Meyer could be an exceptional NFL head coach. People were lukewarm to the idea prior to the McD hiring. With Tebow here now...would you want Meyer if McD leaves? Meyers & Tebow...in the pros?

Thoughts?

I think it's pretty obvious that the college offense doesn't work as we've been watching it all season

footstepsfrom#27
11-28-2010, 10:50 AM
I wonder if anyone on this thread read the links to McDaniel's offense and how Belilcheat got much of what they are now doing from Urban Meyer, since nobody responded to the question of continuity related to Tebow and the offense under whoever comes after McD if in fact he is let go. Those are not insignificant issues since going a different direction is almost certain to mean more delay in getting this team moving. Whoever coaches next year will have to answer the question of how they see Tebow in the plans...at some point he asks himself that question if they don't. Is there going to be a commitment to continuity or will they reverse course yet again? At the end of the day if the decision is to continue the present course, the options are McDaniels and...who? Meyer is the only one that comes to mind who might be interested in this and he would certainly keep Tebow interested in being here. Everyone saying he needs experience...so did they all at one point but this guy created the offense we're using or much of it anyway.

footstepsfrom#27
11-28-2010, 10:51 AM
I think it's pretty obvious that the college offense doesn't work as we've been watching it all season
Be honest...did you actually read the story?

oubronco
11-28-2010, 10:55 AM
Be honest...did you actually read the story?

No I didn't but the college spread offense doesn't work in the NFL and we are getting a nice view of it from McD

Pony Boy
11-28-2010, 11:05 AM
I wonder if anyone on this thread read the links to McDaniel's offense and how Belilcheat got much of what they are now doing from Urban Meyer, since nobody responded to the question of continuity related to Tebow and the offense under whoever comes after McD if in fact he is let go. Those are not insignificant issues since going a different direction is almost certain to mean more delay in getting this team moving. Whoever coaches next year will have to answer the question of how they see Tebow in the plans...at some point he asks himself that question if they don't. Is there going to be a commitment to continuity or will they reverse course yet again? At the end of the day if the decision is to continue the present course, the options are McDaniels and...who? Meyer is the only one that comes to mind who might be interested in this and he would certainly keep Tebow interested in being here. Everyone saying he needs experience...so did they all at one point but this guy created the offense we're using or much of it anyway.

What about the health issues? If he resigned from college football a year ago due to stress and other hidden heath problems, why would he want to step up to a higher level?

footstepsfrom#27
11-28-2010, 11:16 AM
What about the health issues? If he resigned from college football a year ago due to stress and other hidden heath problems, why would he want to step up to a higher level?
The lure of the big show for starters, then the opportunity to work with Tebow again with whom he's had so much success. I don't have any idea if he'd do it, probablyl not...it's just a question that has to be posed in light of the possibility we have a new coach soon, and whether we would continue in the same direction of not. Every time there's a philosophical change, the team starts all over again. If ever Bowlen wanted an out from McD, he's certainly got a built in excuse now doesn't he?

Pony Boy
11-28-2010, 11:30 AM
The lure of the big show for starters, then the opportunity to work with Tebow again with whom he's had so much success. I don't have any idea if he'd do it, probablyl not...it's just a question that has to be posed in light of the possibility we have a new coach soon, and whether we would continue in the same direction of not. Every time there's a philosophical change, the team starts all over again. If ever Bowlen wanted an out from McD, he's certainly got a built in excuse now doesn't he?

I've lost all confidence with Mcdaniels and that doesn't make be a bad fan or a troll. I really want to see what Tebow can do, I would hate to see him go some where else and have a Hillis type year. Urban might be the guy but I think he has hidden health problems. Gruden might be the best match for Tebow.

ScottXray
11-28-2010, 11:41 AM
I would love to see Jim Harbaugh coach my Wolverines, but if he wants an NFL gig, he would be my choice for the Broncos.

+1.. Don't know if he'd want it tho. has a good gig right now.

tesnyde
11-28-2010, 11:44 AM
Jeff Fisher maybe ready for a change. The Titans said VC will be back next year and Fisher had to work with him. Not an uncoditional statement of support for HC. Id take Fisher.

Liquid Courage
11-28-2010, 01:52 PM
Harbaugh or Fisher would be awesome! Though I'd love for McD to figure this stuff out and for us to turnthings around.

uplink
11-28-2010, 10:02 PM
They contacted Bob Stoops after Shanny was fired last time, maybe again.

Its looking very unlikely McD will be here for the 2011 season. Not sure if he makes it to next weeks game IMO. The taping stuff is serious.

lostknight
11-28-2010, 10:10 PM
Florida has been gifted some great talent. Yet they are unable to groom any of that talent for the NFL. Just look at some of the guys that have come out of Florida. I want NFL cordinators. hopefully they can arrange a marriage with a good Defensive Cordiantor much like we did with nolan

Percy Harvin?

No coach worth his marbles is going to be willing to serve under josh. There are just too many questions. Success has a hundred fathers, but failure is a orphaned bastard. Being on Josh's team might make you part of that bastard relationship.

lostknight
11-28-2010, 10:12 PM
They contacted Bob Stoops after Shanny was fired last time, maybe again.

Its looking very unlikely McD will be here for the 2011 season. Not sure if he makes it to next weeks game IMO. The taping stuff is serious.

If the Broncos were going to part ways with McDaniels, they would have done it "for cause" this week. He's here till next year. Don't count on Wink going anywhere either.

Liquid Courage
12-06-2010, 04:21 PM
:sunshine:

No reason for you to watch the games then. See you in 2012, or 2013 if there's a lockout.

An Open Letter to Everyone in This Thread:

Dear Kneejerks,

If people really think that McD is going to be fired after only 2 years with a lockout looming and Bowlen still on the hook to pay Shanahan 3 mil for another year, you are going to be severely disappointed. All this coach speculation is for nothing. This spygay thing is a nothing blip on the radar; it's not even close to as harmful to McDaniel's job security as the Raiders blowout. Like him or not, McD is going to be here for at least another season of football, so if you don't like him and have no faith in his ability as a coach, you should just find another hobby for a couple years. I am concerned for you all and your health. I'd hate to see you all go on blood pressure meds or get the bettus due to something YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO POWER OVER. You should really take a little break.

Best,

Bowtown

:yayaya:

uplink
12-06-2010, 05:27 PM
They contacted Bob Stoops after Shanny was fired last time, maybe again.

Its looking very unlikely McD will be here for the 2011 season. Not sure if he makes it to next weeks game IMO. The taping stuff is serious.

told you Bowlen was ready to pull the trigger. The honesty stuff is a big deal to him.

Boogerboots
12-06-2010, 06:29 PM
Pass the urb mon!