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baja
11-15-2010, 07:21 PM
Oh WoW!!!!

Popps
11-15-2010, 07:23 PM
Looks like one of our playoff games.

Only, no Plummer to blame tonight.

jmz313
11-15-2010, 07:24 PM
Nice to see deangleo hall back to normal. Nice arm tackle.

baja
11-15-2010, 07:25 PM
PHILADELPHIA EAGLES
Passing CP/AT YDS TD INT
M. Vick 8/8 181 2 0
Rushing CAR YDS TD LG
J. Harrison 2 50 1 50T
M. Vick 3 26 1 13
J. Maclin 1 11 0 11
D. Jackson 1 5 0 5
T. Lindley 1 4 0 4
L. McCoy 1 3 0 3
Receiving REC YDS TD LG
L. McCoy 4 52 1 27
J. Avant 2 26 0 15
D. Jackson 1 88 1 88T
J. Harrison 1 15 0 15
Fumbles FUM LOST REC YDS
- - - -
Kicking FG LG XP PTS
D. Akers 0/0 0 4/4 4
Punting NO AVG I20 LG
- - - -
Kickoff Returns NO AVG TD LG
J. Calvin 1 9 0 9
Punt Returns NO AVG TD LG
J. Calvin 3 8 0 14
Defense T-A SCK INT FF
M. Patterson 1-2 0 0 0
S. Bradley 0-3 0 0 0
T. Cole 0-3 0 0 0
D. Patterson 2-0 0 0 0
Q. Mikell 1-1 0 0 0
K. Coleman 0-0 0 1 0




WASHINGTON REDSKINS
Passing CP/AT YDS TD INT
D. McNabb 2/6 6 0 1
Rushing CAR YDS TD LG
K. Williams 6 17 0 4
Receiving REC YDS TD LG
S. Moss 1 5 0 5
A. Armstrong 1 1 0 1
Fumbles FUM LOST REC YDS
- - - -
Kicking FG LG XP PTS
- - - -
Punting NO AVG I20 LG
H. Smith 3 41 0 56
Kickoff Returns NO AVG TD LG
B. Banks 3 25 0 30
Punt Returns NO AVG TD LG
- - - -
Defense T-A SCK INT FF
D. Hall 3-0 0 0 0
L. Fletcher 1-2 0 0 0
K. Moore 1-1 0 0 0
L. Landry 1-1 0 0 0
C. Rogers 1-1 0 0 0
P. Buchanon 1-0 0 0 0
A. Haynesworth 1-0 0 0 0
R. McIntosh 1-0 0 0 0
A. Carter 1-0 0 0 0
B. Orakpo 0-1 0 0 0

baja
11-15-2010, 07:27 PM
Shanny getting embarrassed BADLY

Popps
11-15-2010, 07:28 PM
Honestly, rewind a few years back... and people would literally be blaming this game on the QB, giving Shanny's defense a free pass.

baja
11-15-2010, 07:29 PM
Highest first quarter road team lead in the history of the NFL. 28 to 0

Redskins O yards = 20

Eagles O yards = 260 approx.

baja
11-15-2010, 07:31 PM
.......................PHI WAS

First Downs........13 0

Total Yards ........328 23

Passing Yards.....229 6

Rushing Yards.....99 17

Penalties (Yds)....1(5) 2(20)

Turnovers ........0 1

Punts (AVG).......0(0) 3(41)

Time of Pos........9:13 5:56

Homer Simpson
11-15-2010, 07:31 PM
Is this different to the other MNF thread?

baja
11-15-2010, 07:36 PM
I made the MNF thread the last three weeks os I just went ahead and made this one, I didn't even see the other one. ;D

baja
11-15-2010, 07:38 PM
Now I see why I didn't see it. It is one of tsiguy's ****ty to the extreme thread titles.

extralife
11-15-2010, 07:44 PM
Is this different to the other MNF thread?

this one is for popps and baja to bash shanahan for ten pages

Popps
11-15-2010, 08:07 PM
this one is for popps and baja to bash shanahan for ten pages

Nah. I wish Shanny the best. Was defending him long before you were on this forum.

But, he's got real problems.

Popps
11-15-2010, 08:07 PM
Plus, Baja and Shanny go scuba-diving every summer.

baja
11-15-2010, 08:15 PM
Plus, Baja and Shanny go scuba-diving every summer.

We even hold hands when it's a deep dive.

bronco0608
11-15-2010, 08:28 PM
Shanny is tearing the team apart!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

bronco0608
11-15-2010, 08:28 PM
The redskins have quit on Shanny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!omg!#$!@$!#@

BroncoSojia
11-15-2010, 08:31 PM
Highest first quarter road team lead in the history of the NFL. 28 to 0

Redskins O yards = 20

Eagles O yards = 260 approx.

That's 4 more points than what we gave up to the Raiders in the 1st

montrose
11-15-2010, 08:31 PM
The redskins have quit on Shanny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!omg!#$!@$!#@

lol

baja
11-15-2010, 08:35 PM
This is a disgrace. Fire him immediately ............

baja
11-15-2010, 08:38 PM
That's 4 more points than what we gave up to the Raiders in the 1st

Yep can happen to any team doesn't mean that team is that bad. Shanahan's Redskins are not as bad as this game and Josh's Broncos are not as bad as the Raider game showed. This is the point.

bronco0608
11-15-2010, 08:56 PM
We should have kept shanny!!!!!!!!!!!!

I told you so!!!!!!!!!!!

Drunken fool owner!!!!!!!!!

Why oh god why did we get rid of shanny!!!

Stupid drunk!!!!

If we only had shanny!!!!!

Man-Goblin
11-15-2010, 09:02 PM
I definitely do not enjoy Shanahan having to go through this. People forget how bad this Redskins team was when he took them over, and everyone thought the lame McNabb trade would cure a lot of their ills. Funny thing is, they are a better team than they were when he took over. But their long term prospects looked a lot better yesterday before they committed franchise suicide by committing to a QB that will be too old when/if this team is ready to contend.

I would say I could never understand why he didn't try to find a young QB to groom. But he has always thrived by taking QBs that couldn't quite win a championship and taking them to the top. He went with what he knew and was successful with.

But McNabb ain't no Steve Young, and he sure as hell isn't John Elway.

But the defense? Yeesh. I don't know if he is just the worst judge of defensive coordinators ever or if he micro manages his defenses when he really shouldn't at this point of his career. I'm leading toward the latter.

OABB
11-15-2010, 09:12 PM
"miss me yet?".




Nope.

baja
11-15-2010, 09:15 PM
"miss me yet?".




Nope.

LOL Knife in the heart...

Jesterhole
11-15-2010, 09:22 PM
Awesome, another anti-Shanahan thread...

bronco0608
11-15-2010, 09:24 PM
Awesome, another anti-Shanahan thread...

And you bring exactly what to the table?

vancejohnson82
11-15-2010, 09:25 PM
Awesome, another anti-Shanahan thread...

keep on thinking about how you can turn this into an anti-McD thread, chump

baja
11-15-2010, 09:28 PM
Awesome, another anti-Shanahan thread...

This is a thread about the MNF game that happens to be a massacre and it happens to by on a team that Shanahan coaches.

Any other team and any other coach and you wouldn't think twice about it.

HAT
11-15-2010, 09:31 PM
Awesome, another anti-Shanahan thread...

Not really.....It's more like an anti-Shanahan in the 2000's thread.

I don't think there's a poster here who didn't like Shanny 11 years ago. That guy was the bomb back in the day.....Don't you agree Jester?

Popps
11-15-2010, 09:40 PM
I'll always love Shanny.

Can't say I miss him these days, though.

Dedhed
11-15-2010, 09:47 PM
I can't believe the let down of the Eagles defense in the 2nd half. Absolute embarrass.

baja
11-15-2010, 09:48 PM
i can't believe the let down of the eagles defense in the 2nd half. Absolute embarrass.

lol

baja
11-15-2010, 09:51 PM
I remember a popular line during the Oakland game was, "This would never happen with a Shanahan coached team."

TheProfessor
11-15-2010, 09:52 PM
It wouldn't against oakland.

No one hated Oakland like Shanny.

footstepsfrom#27
11-15-2010, 09:59 PM
Where are all the people who insisted Michael Vick wasn't an NFL QB? Scumbag or not, the transforamation this guy's made on the field is astounding given what I think we expected...tonight he accounts for 6 TD's. If he keeps this up and Philly goes somewhere in the playoffs he's on track for NFL MVP. Pretty amazing what he's doing right now.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
11-15-2010, 09:59 PM
This could go down as a historically bad day in franchise history. The McNabb deal already has major backfire potential, and the columnists in DC are going to shred Shanahan tomorrow.

Dedhed
11-15-2010, 10:03 PM
It wouldn't against oakland.

No one hated Oakland like Shanny.Keep grasping brother.

TheProfessor
11-15-2010, 10:08 PM
Keep grasping brother.

The man is 21-7 against Oakland, I fail to see how that is grasping.

Homer Simpson
11-15-2010, 10:11 PM
4 of 37 on 3rd down in their last 3 games http://forum.football365.com/images/smiley_icons/icon_lol.gif http://forum.football365.com/images/smiley_icons/icon_uhoh.gif

Dedhed
11-15-2010, 10:13 PM
The man is 21-7 against Oakland
So what?

baja
11-15-2010, 10:22 PM
Where are all the people who insisted Michael Vick wasn't an NFL QB? Scumbag or not, the transforamation this guy's made on the field is astounding given what I think we expected...tonight he accounts for 6 TD's. If he keeps this up and Philly goes somewhere in the playoffs he's on track for NFL MVP. Pretty amazing what he's doing right now.

Nothing short of amazing.


I think it was Rev. that pointed out what a PC nightmare this is brewing into.

Man-Goblin
11-15-2010, 10:39 PM
It wouldn't against oakland.

No one hated Oakland like Shanny.

Just a minute there professor.

I am not going to bash Shanahan. But I will reference you to his last game against Oakland. At home. I know it was a long time ago and all, but I thought I'd help you out before you start saying more silly stuff.

Karenin
11-16-2010, 04:17 AM
Unsurprisingly, those clowns SoCaliBroncos and TacosJon are nowhere to be found.

ColoradoDarin
11-16-2010, 06:41 AM
I bet the Redskins fans will be asking themselves if Shanahan has the proper hatred for a division rival....

chex
11-16-2010, 06:43 AM
I bet the Redskins fans will be asking themselves if Shanahan has the proper hatred for a division rival....

He has to know what it is to BE a Redskin.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
11-16-2010, 06:51 AM
He has to know what it is to BE a Redskin.

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/264844/gibbs2.jpg

yaaaaaaaaay.

Jesterhole
11-16-2010, 07:05 AM
Not really.....It's more like an anti-Shanahan in the 2000's thread.

I don't think there's a poster here who didn't like Shanny 11 years ago. That guy was the bomb back in the day.....Don't you agree Jester?

I think Shanahan is one of the best game day coaches in the NFL. I think he was a mixed bag as a GM, with a really good start and a really lousy finish here in Denver.

But I don't feel like I need to defend Shanahan on a Bronco board, sort of like how I shouldn't have to defend Rod Smith or Alex Gibbs. There should just be enough respect around that it doesn't happen. Or you'd think there would be.

Oh well, these same people who rip Mike love to try and chase off people who hate McDaniels. It's a fun game.

baja
11-16-2010, 07:28 AM
I bet the Redskins fans will be asking themselves if Shanahan has the proper hatred for a division rival....


Now that's pretty damn funny. ;D

I am amazed at the stuff the Josh haters come up with.

"He only game plans hard for the AFCE"


How do they come up with this stuff?

ShutDownPoster
11-16-2010, 07:29 AM
Nothing short of amazing.


I think it was Rev. that pointed out what a PC nightmare this is brewing into.

I don't know about a PC nightmare, but rather a true redemption story.

BTW : I nominate my new avatar for best of year :strong:

Beantown Bronco
11-16-2010, 07:34 AM
I remember a popular line during the Oakland game was, "This would never happen with a Shanahan coached team."

It wouldn't against oakland.

No one hated Oakland like Shanny.

Oh really, Professor? Who was the Broncos coach during the 2002 season when Gannon had that ridiculous 34-38-350+ yds, 3 TDs and 0 INTs performance and absolutely blew us out in Denver?

baja
11-16-2010, 07:35 AM
I don't know about a PC nightmare, but rather a true redemption story.

A lot of people are going to have a hard time getting past what Vick did to man's best friend.

My take, although I abhor the acts, is he served out his punishment and our laws say he gets a clean slate.

jsco70
11-16-2010, 07:35 AM
Where are all the people who insisted Michael Vick wasn't an NFL QB? Scumbag or not, the transforamation this guy's made on the field is astounding given what I think we expected...tonight he accounts for 6 TD's. If he keeps this up and Philly goes somewhere in the playoffs he's on track for NFL MVP. Pretty amazing what he's doing right now.

I agree. This game was more about Vick than anything else. If he's going to start hitting receivers downfield from the pocket, along with his running ability, the Eagles could be unstoppable.

Beantown Bronco
11-16-2010, 07:36 AM
We even hold hands when it's a deep dive.

That wasn't his hand baja....

ShutDownPoster
11-16-2010, 07:36 AM
A lot of people are going to have a hard time getting past what Vick did to man's best friend.

My take, although I abhor the acts, is he served out his punishment and our laws say he gets a clean slate.

Word

baja
11-16-2010, 07:37 AM
That wasn't his hand baja....

You suppose Shanny wears a ring on his dick?

Beantown Bronco
11-16-2010, 07:39 AM
Where are all the people who insisted Michael Vick wasn't an NFL QB? Scumbag or not, the transforamation this guy's made on the field is astounding given what I think we expected...tonight he accounts for 6 TD's. If he keeps this up and Philly goes somewhere in the playoffs he's on track for NFL MVP. Pretty amazing what he's doing right now.

I'll admit I was part of that crew. And I was right at the time. In his first go around in the NFL, he was not a good QB. He was a great athlete that could outrun everyone and occasionally make a ridiculous pass. But he was very inconsistent and wasn't a truly top QB.

Like you say in your second sentence above, he transformed. He is no longer the same player. He has let his game develop and obviously put in a lot of work. Work he didn't do in Atlanta. And now it seems to be paying off, big time.

baja
11-16-2010, 07:44 AM
I'll admit I was part of that crew. And I was right at the time. In his first go around in the NFL, he was not a good QB. He was a great athlete that could outrun everyone and occasionally make a ridiculous pass. But he was very inconsistent and wasn't a truly top QB.

Like you say in your second sentence above, he transformed. He is no longer the same player. He has let his game develop and obviously put in a lot of work. Work he didn't do in Atlanta. And now it seems to be paying off, big time.

The way he looked last night he is going to give teams the same defensive nightmares that Elway did. You would think that after Shanny watched Elway all those years he would have come with something to slow down Vick's running given he had 15 days to ponder it.

TonyR
11-16-2010, 07:46 AM
I'll admit I was part of that crew.

Yup, me to. Good post. Anyone who watched him pre-prison would agree. He wasn't a very good QB. He's really matured and Reid and Mornhinweg have done wonders with him. Also helps that he may have one of the best groups of skill position players in the league around him.

TheChamp24
11-16-2010, 07:49 AM
Vick's finally becoming the quarterback all the experts thought he'd become when he came out of college.

ShutDownPoster
11-16-2010, 07:52 AM
Vick's finally becoming the quarterback all the experts thought he'd become when he came out of college.

And who was the one who gave him the chance? Dan Reeves of all folks!

colonelbeef
11-16-2010, 09:11 AM
Looks like one of our playoff games.

Only, no Plummer to blame tonight.

Playoff games, something we will not be seeing for a 2nd year under McDaniels

colonelbeef
11-16-2010, 09:12 AM
The way he looked last night he is going to give teams the same defensive nightmares that Elway did. You would think that after Shanny watched Elway all those years he would have come with something to slow down Vick's running given he had 15 days to ponder it.

The redskins have lethargic, lazy personnel up and down the roster. It's going to take a few years to clean up that disaster.

edog24
11-16-2010, 09:13 AM
The redskins have lethargic, lazy personnel up and down the roster. It's going to take a few years to clean up that disaster.


And they just gave one of them a 5yr extension!

TheElusiveKyleOrton
11-16-2010, 09:30 AM
The redskins have lethargic, lazy personnel up and down the roster. It's going to take a few years to clean up that disaster.

LOL

Interesting that you'll give this consideration to Shanahan in DC but not to McDaniels in Denver with the mess Shanahan created.

baja
11-16-2010, 11:57 AM
The redskins have lethargic, lazy personnel up and down the roster. It's going to take a few years to clean up that disaster.

Unfortunate for you that you don't recognize Josh has the same problem with the roster he inherited, you would be a lot happier if you did understand this.

ScottXray
11-16-2010, 12:12 PM
The redskins have lethargic, lazy personnel up and down the roster. It's going to take a few years to clean up that disaster.

So you say it takes even a Coach like shanny to clean up a lazy lethargic roster...sort of like the one we had here.

Not saying that we are ahead of schedule but..... pot..meet kettle.

Mountain Bronco
11-16-2010, 12:18 PM
Where is Jhns to tell us Shanny is building a winner and Josh is tearing **** down. We have the Shanny bashers, the Josh apologists, now all we need to complete the group are the josh bashers and Shanny apologists.

Also, for Baja, the law doesn't give ex-cons a clean slate. They have a ton of restrictions that the rest of the citizenry does not have and if they get busted again, punishment is racheted up. Rember that serving your time for a felony of that nature is forever.

broncocalijohn
11-16-2010, 12:47 PM
Playoff games, something we will not be seeing for a 2nd year under McDaniels

or the previous 3 years under shanny.

chex
11-16-2010, 12:50 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=easterbrook/101116_tuesday_morning_quarterback&sportCat=nfl

Mike Shanahan seemed to know what he was doing as the head coach of the Denver Broncos. Since arriving in Washington and entering Chainsaw Dan's negative energy field, Shanahan's performance has plummeted. Not only has the new head coach mishandled McNabb; Shanahan arrived to find a very solid 4-3, conservative-scheme Washington defense that finished 10th in 2009 and fourth the year before that. Shanahan promptly threw out everything that was working and installed a blitz-wacky 3-4. The Redskins are now last in the NFL in defense. The defense looked like water last night, allowing Philadelphia 45 points in the first half.



And Shanahan's game management! Trailing 42-14 in the second quarter, he had Washington punt on fourth-and-1. Punting on fourth-and-1 when down by four touchdowns! Scoring to pull within 45-21, he had Washington kick away, rather than onside. By the early third quarter, the overpaid and lethargic Albert Haynesworth, another Snyder blunder, was simply lying on the field watching Michael Vick run, making no attempt to pursue him. Haynesworth had quit on the game, which is the only thing he's really good at. But why not? Shanahan quit on the game in the second quarter.

Beantown Bronco
11-16-2010, 12:52 PM
ouch

Popps
11-16-2010, 12:54 PM
I've always felt Shanahan needed someone to run his defense that he respected or feared. Someone he couldn't push around... because the guy just doesn't have the eye for it that he used to.

That's why to me, he jumped the shark when he promoted Slowick.

jhns
11-16-2010, 01:03 PM
LOL @ people trying to hate on a Bronco great again.

Shanahan just took over a top 5 pick team from last season. That team has outplayed this one. Shanahan never once gave up 59 points while here. McDaniels gave it up to the Raiders in out house. McDaniels has had 2 years with an 8-8 team.

I would say Shanahan is still showing how it's done. It is funny that people here are hating on his moves and team performances as they suck McDaniels balls. Shanahan is making McDaniels look like a joke (ok, not really, McDaniels did that to himself).

jhns
11-16-2010, 01:05 PM
I've always felt Shanahan needed someone to run his defense that he respected or feared. Someone he couldn't push around... because the guy just doesn't have the eye for it that he used to.


Yup, he would do himself a favor hiring a guy like Nolan and letting him run the defense.

Then again, so could the current Broncos front office... Oops.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
11-16-2010, 01:09 PM
Yeah! Why is ESPN such a SHanahan Bronco Legend hater! Jeez, you guys!!

baja
11-16-2010, 01:11 PM
LOL @ people trying to hate on a Bronco great again.

Shanahan just took over a top 5 pick team from last season. That team has outplayed this one. Shanahan never once gave up 59 points while here. McDaniels gave it up to the Raiders in out house. McDaniels has had 2 years with an 8-8 team.

I would say Shanahan is still showing how it's done. It is funny that people here are hating on his moves and team performances as they suck McDaniels balls. Shanahan is making McDaniels look like a joke (ok, not really, McDaniels did that to himself).

Defense; from 10 Th. to last in 9 short weeks.

Shanny blew up a good defense to instill a 3 / 4 the very thing you are crucifying Josh for on the O side.

jhns
11-16-2010, 01:15 PM
Yeah! Why is ESPN such a SHanahan Bronco Legend hater! Jeez, you guys!!

The better question is why would you treat Bronco greats the same way that random ESPN writters do? You are a ****ty fan.

baja
11-16-2010, 01:17 PM
Interesting no one is calling for Shanny's head the way they are for Josh's head when the teams are shockingly similar

broncocalijohn
11-16-2010, 01:18 PM
Defense; from 10 Th. to last in 9 short weeks.

Shanny blew up a good defense to instill a 3 / 4 the very thing you are crucifying Josh for on the O side.

With no success at 4/3, he thought it was time to go with a 3/4 even though there was proof the 4/3 was working. He has become confused and if he wasnt changing players a ton on the D side (which was their strength), why change the scheme. He wants to show everyone he can be a good D coach as well......well that failed again.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
11-16-2010, 01:20 PM
The better question is why would you treat Bronco greats the same way that random ESPN writters do? You are a ****ty fan.

The best question is "what did Moose do to "treat" anybody like anybody else?" Oh, right. Nothing at all.

Your simple mind just needs everyone to be piled into easy-to-remember files.

How am I "treating" Mike Shanahan? By critiquing his performance, I'm somehow insulting him? Is that what you're insinuating?

For someone who rips on others' ability to read, you sure don't pay much attention to what's in front of you.

You have a ****ty diaper.

jhns
11-16-2010, 01:21 PM
Defense; from 10 Th. to last in 9 short weeks.

Shanny blew up a good defense to instill a 3 / 4 the very thing you are crucifying Josh for on the O side.

Wrong. Shanahans team has improved. McDaniels team hasn't. Your entire argument is way off because of these two facts.

I would LOVE for you to show a single post where I crucified Josh for a scheme change though.

jhns
11-16-2010, 01:24 PM
The best question is "what did Moose do to "treat" anybody like anybody else?" Oh, right. Nothing at all.

Your simple mind just needs everyone to be piled into easy-to-remember files.

How am I "treating" Mike Shanahan? By critiquing his performance, I'm somehow insulting him? Is that what you're insinuating?

For someone who rips on others' ability to read, you sure don't pay much attention to what's in front of you.

You have a ****ty diaper.

You are critical of a Bronco great in areas that you do nothing but defend McDaniels. They do the exact same thing and one is allowed to be questioned as the other isn't. The one being questioned is a Bronco great. The one that isn't allowed to be questioned has not done a thing for this franchise. Of course you don't see anything wrong with that. You are a bad fan.

What makes it really funny is Shanahan is doing a much better job than McDaniels.

jhns
11-16-2010, 01:27 PM
Interesting no one is calling for Shanny's head the way they are for Josh's head when the teams are shockingly similar

Umm, Shanahans team is better than this one so far. Shanahans team had a top 5 pick last season and he just got there. Josh has had two years to rebuild an 8-8 team and his team is still worse than Shanahans team.

Yeah, exactly the same...

TonyR
11-16-2010, 01:28 PM
Shanahan just took over a top 5 pick team from last season.

Meh. They're healthier this year, used that top 5 pick wisely, brought in a veteran QB upgrade, and are playing a last place schedule. And now it appears they're falling apart. Let's not crown this rebuild just yet.

broncocalijohn
11-16-2010, 01:30 PM
Well, we know who has Shanny's back after an complete embarrass loss. You would make a great Spokeshole for politicians. SPIN, SPIN, SPIN!

baja
11-16-2010, 01:32 PM
Umm, Shanahans team is better than this one so far. Shanahans team had a top 5 pick last season and he just got there. Josh has had two years to rebuild an 8-8 team and his team is still worse than Shanahans team.

Yeah, exactly the same...

You reduce everything to wins and loses. It's not that simple.

If you don't see improvement in all phases of the Broncos game I don't know what to tell ya. Look at our first half schedule and the slew of injuries starting in pre season. That matters. Washington had a top five pick but Josh let go 32 players that never played another down in the NFL

TheElusiveKyleOrton
11-16-2010, 01:34 PM
You are critical of a Bronco great in areas that you do nothing but defend McDaniels. They do the exact same thing and one is allowed to be questioned as the other isn't. The one being questioned is a Bronco great. The one that isn't allowed to be questioned has not done a thing for this franchise. Of course you don't see anything wrong with that. You are a bad fan.

What makes it really funny is Shanahan is doing a much better job than McDaniels.

Prove. Something.

Because you're too ****ing retarded to notice, I'll have to point out to you that I do criticize McDaniels as well.

Because you're too stupid to figure it out, the problem I have with dip**** morons like yourself is the constant, repeated bellyaching whining b****ing moaning ****fest that you put on every single time you're in this forum. We get it. You make your point. And then you continue to make it. Over. And over. And over. And over. And over. It gets really old.

Also, I find this VERY amusing: "They do the exact same thing and one is allowed to be questioned as the other isn't." Isn't this whole post just you doing what you're crying about?

My god, you really are ****ing stupid. Like, really really really really REALLY ****ing stupid. "I'm criticizing McDaniels for x and y! When Shanahan does x and y, you're not allowed to criticize him for that! You guys criticize one and not the other! You guys are a bunch of meanheads and stupid faces and you're a bad fan! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!" Strong take, jizz. Strong take.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
11-16-2010, 01:35 PM
Well, we know who has Shanny's back after an complete embarrass loss. You would make a great Spokeshole for politicians. SPIN, SPIN, SPIN!

Absolute embarrass?

2KBack
11-16-2010, 01:37 PM
Shanahan just took over a top 5 pick team from last season. That team has outplayed this one. Shanahan never once gave up 59 points while here. McDaniels gave it up to the Raiders in out house. McDaniels has had 2 years with an 8-8 team.


Shanahan did give up over 40 points 10 times in the last 10 years though, and gave up 52 points to SD in 2008...you know, in that game to determine who goes to the playoffs.

Lets not forget losing 41-3 and 44-7 in a 5 game span, the latter to the Detroit Lions.

Let us not pretend that the last decade was all roses with Shanny. No coach is great forever. I also won't pretend that McD is the man yet either. That has nothing to do with Shanahans ability to destroy his own defenses though.

jhns
11-16-2010, 01:37 PM
You reduce everything to wins and loses. It's not that simple.

If you don't see improvement in all phases of the Broncos game I don't know what to tell ya. Look at our first half schedule and the slew of injuries starting in pre season. That matters. Washington had a top five pick but Josh let go 32 players that never played another down in the NFL

LOL

Wow. We are improved in all phases? I'll just take the easy way out and ask if you have seen the run game?

You are really going to start on that stat again? Why don't you name us these players. You use it enough. Let's see you prove that you know what you're talking about. Yes, I will back up any stat that I use if you ask.

jhns
11-16-2010, 01:42 PM
Prove. Something.

Because you're too ****ing retarded to notice, I'll have to point out to you that I do criticize McDaniels as well.

Because you're too stupid to figure it out, the problem I have with dip**** morons like yourself is the constant, repeated bellyaching whining b****ing moaning ****fest that you put on every single time you're in this forum. We get it. You make your point. And then you continue to make it. Over. And over. And over. And over. And over. It gets really old.

Also, I find this VERY amusing: "They do the exact same thing and one is allowed to be questioned as the other isn't." Isn't this whole post just you doing what you're crying about?

My god, you really are ****ing stupid. Like, really really really really REALLY ****ing stupid. "I'm criticizing McDaniels for x and y! When Shanahan does x and y, you're not allowed to criticize him for that! You guys criticize one and not the other! You guys are a bunch of meanheads and stupid faces and you're a bad fan! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!" Strong take, jizz. Strong take.

LOL

I told you that you were too dumb to get it. I refrain from critisizing a Broncos great that is actually improving the team that he is rebuilding. You go all emo whenever anyone critisizes McDaniels, who isn't a Broncos great and isn't improving his team.

Yeah, exactly the same thing Moose!

While we are at it, Orton sure is the best QB to ever play. He doesn't have a flaw. That Elway guy sure sucked though!

jhns
11-16-2010, 01:45 PM
Let us not pretend that the last decade was all roses with Shanny. No coach is great forever.

Blasphemy! You take that back or we can't be friends anymore.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
11-16-2010, 01:45 PM
I'm very curious to know the answer to this question.

Jhns: When was the last time you were happy about something happening for the Broncos? When did you come to the forum and post that you were happy with something -- anything -- that the Broncos were doing?

Maybe it's just that I prefer to look on the bright side, or maybe it's that I'd rather be happy about something than angry. But almost every week, there's something positive to take away from the game, whether a win or a loss (with the Raiders game being the exception). It was the same way when Shanahan was here, and it'll be the same way in 2047 when Pervis McElroy is the head coach.

But you... I honestly can't remember you being happy or even mildly enjoying anything that this team has done since you first started beating us over the head with your constant unhappiness.

Must be miserable. Sitting at home after that win against the Chiefs, trying to think of something negative you can shout about on the message board. Rubbing your hands together, thinking "Shanahan will win big tomorrow, and everyone on the Mane will hear me talk about how much better Shanahan is doing, and they'll know I'm right, and I'll get to call people a moron and use the Hilarious! emoticon... God, I just can't wait..."

Sounds... awful.

baja
11-16-2010, 01:47 PM
LOL

Wow. We are improved in all phases? I'll just take the easy way out and ask if you have seen the run game?

You are really going to start on that stat again? Why don't you name us these players. You use it enough. Let's see you prove that you know what you're talking about. Yes, I will back up any stat that I use if you ask.

I like to go by what I see on the field. I see a team that over all is improving. If you want to play the stat game you'll have to go argue with rev. I will continue to believe my eyes.

2KBack
11-16-2010, 01:53 PM
Improving is an interesting word to use for the Redskins. The wins are obviously improved, or odds are they will be. That said The Redskins have had a top 10 defense for 3 straight years. It only took 9 games for Shanny to put them 32nd.

As for McD, since it keeps going back to him. The wins don't look good right now...but just about every aspect of the teams has actually improved since 2008. Ranked slightly higher in Defense (though still not pretty), scoring more points (14th, vs. 16th), a point diff of -46 versus -78. It will be interesting to watch which technique is more fruitful, the Shanahan smoke and mirrors to mediocrity, or the McD slow build to respectability.

HILife
11-16-2010, 01:53 PM
This could go down as a historically bad day in franchise history. The McNabb deal already has major backfire potential, and the columnists in DC are going to shred Shanahan tomorrow.

I was listening to Lavar Arrington Show with Chad Dukes and Chad Dukes ripped into Shanny and the Redskins at the top of his lungs from the time the show started, till I got tired of listening to him yell and stopped listening. That was about 20min.

jhns
11-16-2010, 01:59 PM
I'm very curious to know the answer to this question.

Jhns: When was the last time you were happy about something happening for the Broncos? When did you come to the forum and post that you were happy with something -- anything -- that the Broncos were doing?

Maybe it's just that I prefer to look on the bright side, or maybe it's that I'd rather be happy about something than angry. But almost every week, there's something positive to take away from the game, whether a win or a loss (with the Raiders game being the exception). It was the same way when Shanahan was here, and it'll be the same way in 2047 when Pervis McElroy is the head coach.

But you... I honestly can't remember you being happy or even mildly enjoying anything that this team has done since you first started beating us over the head with your constant unhappiness.

Must be miserable. Sitting at home after that win against the Chiefs, trying to think of something negative you can shout about on the message board. Rubbing your hands together, thinking "Shanahan will win big tomorrow, and everyone on the Mane will hear me talk about how much better Shanahan is doing, and they'll know I'm right, and I'll get to call people a moron and use the Hilarious! emoticon... God, I just can't wait..."

Sounds... awful.

I was the biggest homer in the world and happy about everything right up until McDaniels started making offseason moves last year. I even supported firing Shanahan and bringing in McDaniels. I will be an over the top homer again when McDaniels is gone or figures out what he is doing.

Anyways, I was very happy with the Chiefs game. I'm not sure where you get that I wasn't. It was a single game though. No, it didn't change my opinions on everything. If they keep playing like that, it will change my opinions. As of now, I just can't act like I love the fact that we have a front office that seems completely lost. Why are you so worried about me enjoying myself anyways?

jhns
11-16-2010, 02:03 PM
I like to go by what I see on the field. I see a team that over all is improving. If you want to play the stat game you'll have to go argue with rev. I will continue to believe my eyes.

You are the one that brought up the stat that you can't back. Now you don't want to play the stat game? Go figure.

As for you seeing that we are better everywhere.... Wtf? Can you give me your eye doctors number?

jhns
11-16-2010, 02:07 PM
Improving is an interesting word to use for the Redskins. The wins are obviously improved, or odds are they will be. That said The Redskins have had a top 10 defense for 3 straight years. It only took 9 games for Shanny to put them 32nd.
going back to him. The wins don't look good right now.

Ummm, isn't it about wins? That is the only stat that matters. As for this defense, Nolan had us in the top 10 last season. We added more players and are now horrible again. McDaniels can't even recognize when he does something right.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
11-16-2010, 02:13 PM
It was just a question.

So if you enjoyed the Chiefs win, why are you here immediately just ripping everything else? I mean, can't you take a break from the anger? Shouldn't you take an anger vacation?

Maybe when we win, you discuss positives that you saw instead of negatives from six months ago? Maybe?

Maybe you discuss football instead of getting into pissing matches every single day? Maybe?

Maybe you'd be a happier person? Maybe?

Just something to think about. I hate to see anyone so miserable as you seem to be. Nothing is right, everything is wrong. And even when something goes right, it's only one thing that went right and everything else is still wrong, so what do you talk about? The everything else.

Seems sorta backwards.

2KBack
11-16-2010, 02:22 PM
Ummm, isn't it about wins? That is the only stat that matters. As for this defense, Nolan had us in the top 10 last season. We added more players and are now horrible again. McDaniels can't even recognize when he does something right.

It is sort of about wins, in surface level analysis. Or it is about building championships. Yes yes, wins are involved with that. Shanahan can scheme his way to 7-10 wins in pretty much any given year depending on the opposition he faces. I suppose that's fine for a while, if you never want to ever see your team improve beyond solid if unspectacular. Personally I'd like to build a team that is memorable. In my opinion (my own, be it right or wrong), Shanahan doesn't build, he tools. Tooling means you never have to suck, but it's also highly unlikely you'll ever be great.

jhns
11-16-2010, 02:23 PM
It was just a question.

So if you enjoyed the Chiefs win, why are you here immediately just ripping everything else? I mean, can't you take a break from the anger? Shouldn't you take an anger vacation?

Maybe when we win, you discuss positives that you saw instead of negatives from six months ago? Maybe?

Maybe you discuss football instead of getting into pissing matches every single day? Maybe?

Maybe you'd be a happier person? Maybe?

Just something to think about. I hate to see anyone so miserable as you seem to be. Nothing is right, everything is wrong. And even when something goes right, it's only one thing that went right and everything else is still wrong, so what do you talk about? The everything else.

Seems sorta backwards.

Why do you see it as anger? I am probably the happiest person any of you know. My posting is great evidence of such. I would say the people that need sunshine blown up their ass 24/7 are the ones that have issues. I can dislike a coach on my favorite sports team, constantly point out his failures, and still be happy as I go about my day. Sure, I get angry when we lose or as I hear about a dumb move. I wouldn't call myself a fan if I didn't. That doesn't send me into some deep depression though. I see some people posting here and it almost seems like they would be cutting themselves if they ever had to question a Broncos decision.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
11-16-2010, 02:31 PM
Why do you see it as anger? I am probably the happiest person any of you know. My posting is great evidence of such. I would say the people that need sunshine blown up their ass 24/7 are the ones that have issues. I can dislike a coach on my favorite sports team, constantly point out his failures, and still be happy as I go about my day. Sure, I get angry when we lose or as I hear about a dumb move. I wouldn't call myself a fan if I didn't. That doesn't send me into some deep depression though. I see some people posting here and it almost seems like they would be cutting themselves if they ever had to question a Broncos decision.

First, there's no way you're the happiest person I know. You spend all your time sarcastically deriding those who do not share your doom and gloom opinion of the team you allegedly root for.

I guess if being a troll is what makes you happy, keep doing it. Just thought you might want to take a break from being one of the forums least-liked individuals, or maybe you'd like to discuss some of the good things that have taken place since Josh McDaniels took over. There have been good things; why not enjoy them instead of focusing, constantly, on the negative?

Nobody's saying this team doesn't have faults. I don't think there's a single person on this forum who would make that argument. But the faults are not the only thing we have in this organization right now. We have solid players, surprising pickups from the off season, a quarterback who will probably own every team passing record at the end of the year, a receiver who came out of absolutely nowhere to become an All-Pro, a youthful offensive line who looks to be gelling... but you want to bellyache about Hillis, or Marshall, or Cutler, or Shanahan.

I just don't get someone who wastes so much energy dismissing everything positive in order to focus, constantly, on the negative.

baja
11-16-2010, 02:32 PM
You are the one that brought up the stat that you can't back. Now you don't want to play the stat game? Go figure.

As for you seeing that we are better everywhere.... Wtf? Can you give me your eye doctors number?

At the end of the day all we offer here on this issue is our marginally informed opinion. You think our team is being destroyed and I believe our team is headed for great things. I have you reasons and you have mine. Really not much more to say about this particular subject.

jhns
11-16-2010, 02:32 PM
It is sort of about wins, in surface level analysis. Or it is about building championships. Yes yes, wins are involved with that. Shanahan can scheme his way to 7-10 wins in pretty much any given year depending on the opposition he faces. I suppose that's fine for a while, if you never want to ever see your team improve beyond solid if unspectacular. Personally I'd like to build a team that is memorable. In my opinion (my own, be it right or wrong), Shanahan doesn't build, he tools. Tooling means you never have to suck, but it's also highly unlikely you'll ever be great.

Shanahan built this team into one of the greatest of all time at one point. He just needs the right talent evaluators to help him. He was building pretty well with the Goodmans. Pretty much every draft pick they used became a starter. He needs to get them back if he hasn't already (I have no clue where they are).

As for McDaniels... What makes you say he builds as Shanahan doesn't? Is it the fact that his way is one that no successful organization has ever used? Is it just that he talks a good game? It sure isn't coming from the results.

Popps
11-16-2010, 02:33 PM
First, there's no way you're the happiest person I know. You spend all your time sarcastically deriding those who do not share your doom and gloom opinion of the team you allegedly root for.

C'mon, dude... happy people ALWAYS spend day and night trashing the home team on their own message board. I mean, that screams "happy-life."

Popps
11-16-2010, 02:33 PM
Beyond that, why don't you jackasses have jizz on ignore?

Get it together.

jhns
11-16-2010, 02:40 PM
Beyond that, why don't you jackasses have jizz on ignore?

Get it together.

Because not everyone is as soft as you.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
11-16-2010, 02:47 PM
Beyond that, why don't you jackasses have jizz on ignore?

Get it together.

I did for a long time. I have to admit that I'm fascinated by his unhappiness. I don't know why someone would willfully make themselves as unhappy as he does by working themselves into a lather over a pro football team. And not only that, but he claims we're all idiots, so beneath his high-minded thinking, and yet he comes back here, day after day, to read things that don't agree with his line of thinking and then rip the people posting those things.

One wonders about the sanity of such a person. Dislike the coach so much that it blinds you to the good things happening in the organization? Sick of hearing people be positive about a team they root for? Upset that your favorite players no longer play for your team?

But you continue to come back, day in and day out. Continue to toss around insults like candy on halloween. Making yourself miserable every single day, and for what?

So I'm fascinated with his sanity, or lack thereof.

jhns
11-16-2010, 02:48 PM
First, there's no way you're the happiest person I know. You spend all your time sarcastically deriding those who do not share your doom and gloom opinion of the team you allegedly root for.

I guess if being a troll is what makes you happy, keep doing it. Just thought you might want to take a break from being one of the forums least-liked individuals, or maybe you'd like to discuss some of the good things that have taken place since Josh McDaniels took over. There have been good things; why not enjoy them instead of focusing, constantly, on the negative?

Nobody's saying this team doesn't have faults. I don't think there's a single person on this forum who would make that argument. But the faults are not the only thing we have in this organization right now. We have solid players, surprising pickups from the off season, a quarterback who will probably own every team passing record at the end of the year, a receiver who came out of absolutely nowhere to become an All-Pro, a youthful offensive line who looks to be gelling... but you want to bellyache about Hillis, or Marshall, or Cutler, or Shanahan.

I just don't get someone who wastes so much energy dismissing everything positive in order to focus, constantly, on the negative.

You don't need to get it. I post positive stuff a lot, it just isn't argued so you ignore it. That isn't my fault. I am not even close to being one of the people that bashes every move. Again, you girls just focus on negative posts.

Anyways, my posting in this thread wasn't to bash McDaniels. It was to laugh at some of the posters that get upset when people question McDaniels, sitting here constantly questioning a Broncos great. It is just funny to me. It is like seeing people say that Orton is the best ever as they throw Elway under the bus. It just doesn't make sense.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
11-16-2010, 02:56 PM
You don't need to get it. I post positive stuff a lot, it just isn't argued so you ignore it. That isn't my fault. I am not even close to being one of the people that bashes every move. Again, you girls just focus on negative posts.

Anyways, my posting in this thread wasn't to bash McDaniels. It was to laugh at some of the posters that get upset when people question McDaniels, sitting here constantly questioning a Broncos great. It is just funny to me. It is like seeing people say that Orton is the best ever as they throw Elway under the bus. It just doesn't make sense.

So you're a troll. Nothing more, nothing less.

The problem is that nobody notices when you post something positive. Right?

Of course, that could be because it's 100-1 in the negative direction, and it could be that when you do post something positive, everyone is so shocked they don't respond. I suppose that's possible.

But everything you do is so defensive. Even in this post, you call anyone who disagrees with you "girls," which, in addition to being insulting to several women I know who watch and know football, is just a silly, childish insult.

Why not try having a conversation instead of jumping right to "you're an idiot! You don't know what you're talking about!"? Don't you get tired of that?

I guess a troll wouldn't get tired of that. A troll would feed off of it, sending innocuous threads towards 20+ pages of bitching and moaning.

I guess I have my answers. Thanks for playing along.

Dedhed
11-16-2010, 03:02 PM
I'm Dumb.

Mountain Bronco
11-16-2010, 03:02 PM
Shanny was carried by great players and had "some" success without them.

Arguably the greatest QB ever and a RB with arguably 3-4 of the greatest years ever, great recieving core, great tight end, great O line and a decent D (not great, but had some players).

To say he is a legend is stretching it a bit. He was a great coach, but a legend? Come on. I do give him respect for what he did, but he isn't doing anything nor has he in the last 5 years and isn't this a show me league?

ColoradoDarin
11-16-2010, 03:03 PM
Beyond that, why don't you jackasses have jizz on ignore?

Get it together.

This!

I'm seriously going to consider putting some people on iggy who quote/argue with jhiz.

Mountain Bronco
11-16-2010, 03:09 PM
Shanahan built this team into one of the greatest of all time at one point. He just needs the right talent evaluators to help him. He was building pretty well with the Goodmans. Pretty much every draft pick they used became a starter. He needs to get them back if he hasn't already (I have no clue where they are).

As for McDaniels... What makes you say he builds as Shanahan doesn't? Is it the fact that his way is one that no successful organization has ever used? Is it just that he talks a good game? It sure isn't coming from the results.

Really? Maurice Clarret? George Foster (ya he started and sucked so did others) Moss, Crowder, Lelie, Dorsett Davis, Leseur, Pierce?

Don't know if those were all Goodman influenced or if they were around for all of those, but Shanny was pretty bad with the draft overall.

jhns
11-16-2010, 03:11 PM
So you're a troll. Nothing more, nothing less.

The problem is that nobody notices when you post something positive. Right?

Of course, that could be because it's 100-1 in the negative direction, and it could be that when you do post something positive, everyone is so shocked they don't respond. I suppose that's possible.

But everything you do is so defensive. Even in this post, you call anyone who disagrees with you "girls," which, in addition to being insulting to several women I know who watch and know football, is just a silly, childish insult.

Why not try having a conversation instead of jumping right to "you're an idiot! You don't know what you're talking about!"? Don't you get tired of that?

I guess a troll wouldn't get tired of that. A troll would feed off of it, sending innocuous threads towards 20+ pages of b****ing and moaning.

I guess I have my answers. Thanks for playing along.

LOL

Silly troll. You cry because I call you names as you constantly post some of the most childish insults I have ever seen. In fact, you are one of the few I insult because of this. It is pretty funny that you are now whining about it. It brings a smile to my face.

I can't help it if your a woman. Why not be proud of this fact? Why insult all other females by acting like it is a bad thing?

baja
11-16-2010, 03:12 PM
jhns you are lucky this isn't a dating forum. ;D

TheElusiveKyleOrton
11-16-2010, 03:13 PM
That's... exactly what I expected. Thanks for not disappointing.

jhns
11-16-2010, 03:48 PM
jhns you are lucky this isn't a dating forum. ;D

Haha, don't act like you don't want to be with me.

And duh moose. I wonder why you expected that response...

broncocalijohn
11-16-2010, 03:56 PM
Absolute embarrass?

Funny, i went back to change it to that and forgot! Now it just looks like Im Rev and cant spell or use correct grammar. I am embarrass.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
11-16-2010, 04:17 PM
Funny, i went back to change it to that and forgot! Now it just looks like Im Rev and cant spell or use correct grammar. I am embarrass.

Absolute.

DarkHorse30
11-16-2010, 05:02 PM
I think Shanahan is one of the best game day coaches in the NFL. I think he was a mixed bag as a GM, with a really good start and a really lousy finish here in Denver.

But I don't feel like I need to defend Shanahan on a Bronco board, sort of like how I shouldn't have to defend Rod Smith or Alex Gibbs. There should just be enough respect around that it doesn't happen. Or you'd think there would be.

Oh well, these same people who rip Mike love to try and chase off people who hate McDaniels. It's a fun game.

I agree....up until he got older and I think bored with it. After Kubiak left, Mike appeared to be getting ready to hand the OC over to his son (which I think was in the plan all along).

I remember thinking that once Shanahan discovered the naked bootleg around 2000 or so, he just gameplanned around that play. It was funny to me to see Vick naked bootleg the 'skins right out of the contest in about 10 minutes.

Does that mean I HATE Shanahan? No. I just don't think he is as great as you think he is right now. Whoopty do. It's not even "dislike"....it's more like, "uninterested, until your comments draw me in to a debate"