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That One Guy
11-15-2010, 01:49 PM
Is this a sign that congress is taking note? Is it possible we wont have a "throw the bums out" party every two years if Congress starts listening to the people? It seems like they're caving to, at least, the sentiment of the Tea Party if not the actual movement itself.

WASHINGTON – Cementing a significant challenge to the ways of Congress, the top Republican in the Senate on Monday fell into line behind demands by House leaders and tea party activists for a moratorium on pork-barrel projects known as "earmarks."

Earmarking is the longtime Washington practice in which lawmakers insert money for home-state projects like road and bridge work into spending bills. Critics say that peppering most spending bills with hundreds or even thousands of such projects creates a go-along-get-along mindset that ensures that Washington spending goes unchecked.

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, who has long defended the practice, said he's now heeding the message that voters sent in midterm elections that swept Democrats from power in the House. He said he can't accuse Democrats of failing to ignore the wishes of the American people and then be guilty of the same thing.

McConnell's move heads off a battle with conservative Republican senators who had signaled that they would force a vote Tuesday on banning the practice. That vote is now a formality.

"Nearly every day that the Senate's been in session for the past two years, I have come down to this spot and said that Democrats are ignoring the wishes of the American people," McConnell said in a surprise announcement from the Senate floor. "When it comes to earmarks, I won't be guilty of the same thing."

House GOP leaders had already endorsed a ban on earmarking, and McConnell's move signaled a recognition that earmarks were on their way out.

McConnell, a 26-year veteran of the Senate and longtime member of the Appropriations Committee, had argued in the past that banning earmarks would shift too much power to President Barack Obama and wouldn't save taxpayers any money.

"I know the good that has come from the projects I have helped support throughout my state. I don't apologize for them," he said. "But there is simply no doubt that the abuse of this practice has caused Americans to view it as a symbol of the waste and the out-of-control spending that every Republican in Washington is determined to fight."

Obama endorsed an earmark ban in his Saturday radio and Internet address, saying that "in these challenging days, we can't afford" them.

Just hours before McConnell spoke, Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C., promoted the ban in remarks to tea party activists at a Capitol rally.

"Tomorrow, the Republicans in the Senate are going to start answering that question: Have we learned our lesson? Are we going to go a different way?" DeMint said. "If the Senate Republicans fail to pass a ban on earmarks tomorrow, obviously they have not gotten the message."

McConnell's move also forestalls a possible fight with the House, where Speaker-to-be John Boehner, R-Ohio, poised to become the most powerful Republican in Washington, had put people on notice that there won't be any earmarks in spending bills.

"House and Senate Republican leaders are listening to the American people and are united in support of an earmark ban. "This is a strong first step — though only a first step — towards making the tough choices required to get our country back on track."

McConnell's move came as a relief to colleagues caught in the middle of a behind-the-scenes battle between Senate traditionalists and tea party favorites like DeMint and Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., who have joined with Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., in a longtime battle — and thus far a losing one — against the bipartisan practice of earmarking.

Sen. Bob Corker, R-Tenn., who voluntarily gave up earmarking last year, praised the move.

"That's great," Corker said. "Sounds like the issue is behind us."

All but a few of the 13-member GOP freshman class made campaign pledges that they wouldn't seek earmarks. But some of them were reluctant to get caught in the middle between DeMint and McConnell on whether they would support DeMint's proposal for a ban on earmarks in the session of Congress that starts in January.

It also was not lost on incumbents that among the new members of the class is Mike Lee, a Utah Republican who defeated Sen. Robert Bennett in state party caucuses earlier this year that were dominated by tea party activists.

Coburn made waves Monday in an interview with the conservative Weekly Standard in which he endorsed future primary challenges of Republicans who partake in earmarking.

McConnell said most earmarks have merit, such as a project he sponsored to clean up the Bluegrass Army Depot, "which houses some of the deadliest materials and chemical weapons on earth." His success in sending money home to Kentucky played a role in his 2008 re-election bid.

But earmarks have become larger-than-life symbols of wasteful Washington spending, such as the $200 million-plus "Bridge to Nowhere" in Alaska, a project that was later canceled.

Earmarks also are blamed for a "pay to play" culture in which lobbyists and business executives seeking earmarks lubricate the system with campaign contributions.



http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101115/ap_on_go_co/us_mcconnell_earmarks

snowspot66
11-15-2010, 02:22 PM
My issue with this is that they'll parade around like proud peacocks about no more earmarks when in the end it's what, a fraction of 1% of government expenditures?

This is going to be in the news for weeks and it's borderline irrelevant in the scope of it all.

Rohirrim
11-15-2010, 02:40 PM
Good PR. Of course, the GOP has always been good with the PR.

BroncoLifer
11-15-2010, 02:47 PM
My issue with this is that they'll parade around like proud peacocks about no more earmarks when in the end it's what, a fraction of 1% of government expenditures?

This is going to be in the news for weeks and it's borderline irrelevant in the scope of it all.

True enough but Rome wasn't built in a day.

That One Guy
11-15-2010, 02:53 PM
My issue with this is that they'll parade around like proud peacocks about no more earmarks when in the end it's what, a fraction of 1% of government expenditures?

This is going to be in the news for weeks and it's borderline irrelevant in the scope of it all.

Very good point. I think it's often forgotten how little difference the earmarks make.

I did see some headline earlier about cutting back defense spending but no clue what the thing was about. Maybe that's next.

ghwk
11-15-2010, 04:22 PM
"I was for it before I was against it"

Just political "whoreplay" by McConnell who knew he'd get b**tch slapped if he didn't play good soldier and go along with it.

elsid13
11-15-2010, 04:46 PM
Very good point. I think it's often forgotten how little difference the earmarks make.

I did see some headline earlier about cutting back defense spending but no clue what the thing was about. Maybe that's next.

Get ready the cuts are coming and some big ticket items are going to go the way of the Paladin.

elsid13
11-15-2010, 04:48 PM
True enough but Rome wasn't built in a day.

And Congressial request for mark-ups are already starting to come into executive branch for questions to see if there any support. Nothing changing and sometimes earmarks are good ideas.

That One Guy
11-15-2010, 05:16 PM
And Congressial request for mark-ups are already starting to come into executive branch for questions to see if there any support. Nothing changing and sometimes earmarks are good ideas.

I'm a retard pretending to know what I'm talking about.

What's the mark-ups reference mean?

And earmarks seem to generally equate to everyone scratching each other's backs for the sake of maintaining the status quo and getting reelected. The check on whether money should be given to a congressman's constituency shouldn't be "did he vote in favor of mine?"

Maybe if we had a true limit to the spending but with a monopoly money budget, the money can very easily be used to buy votes on pet projects that the federal government shouldn't really be involved in.

elsid13
11-15-2010, 06:15 PM
I'm a retard pretending to know what I'm talking about.

What's the mark-ups reference mean?

And earmarks seem to generally equate to everyone scratching each other's backs for the sake of maintaining the status quo and getting reelected. The check on whether money should be given to a congressman's constituency shouldn't be "did he vote in favor of mine?"

Maybe if we had a true limit to the spending but with a monopoly money budget, the money can very easily be used to buy votes on pet projects that the federal government shouldn't really be involved in.

Mark-up is the official name for "earmark". They mark-up the appropriation bills in committee. And there are good projects and bad ones. A lot of time some real innovate things come out of earmark projects that would never get funded if you just allowed the bureaucrats to do their stuff. Things like UAVS, blood clotting medicine all came out of earmarks. It's not as much scratching of each other backs as it made out to be.

cutthemdown
11-15-2010, 06:37 PM
My issue with this is that they'll parade around like proud peacocks about no more earmarks when in the end it's what, a fraction of 1% of government expenditures?

This is going to be in the news for weeks and it's borderline irrelevant in the scope of it all.

I felt same way until I heard they spend the majority of there time lobbying around DC to get the earmarks. They shouldn't be spending that much time for 1% of budget.

snowspot66
11-15-2010, 08:20 PM
I felt same way until I heard they spend the majority of there time lobbying around DC to get the earmarks. They shouldn't be spending that much time for 1% of budget.

Congress spends it's time doing it or people waste congress's time lobbying for it?

JJJ
11-15-2010, 08:56 PM
The earmarks themselves are pretty small chump change and in fact the money is already appropriated so instead of a congressmen a bureaucrat will determine where the money goes. So really no money saved that way.

Where you can save big money with eliminating earmarks is by making it less likely a big wasteful spending bill is passed.

Without earmarks some big spending bills that may not otherwise get passed do get passed because the earmarks pull over the deciding votes. Someone normally inclined not to vote for a bill may be pulled over the finish line with an irresistable earmark that is dwarfed by the overall size of the spending in the bill.

It is these pet projects injected into the bill that distort voting process that can cost massive money. Perhaps the earmarks got the stimulus bill over the line not the logic of the stimulus bill itself. There were 9000 of them in that bill. In that particular case probably not as the vote was not a very close one but no doubt in other bills it can have a massive effect.

Big important bills should be voted on their own merits, not on the small bribes attached to them. This is why banning earmarks makes good sense.

cutthemdown
11-15-2010, 11:07 PM
Congress spends it's time doing it or people waste congress's time lobbying for it?

No the congressman themselves spend a lot of time on it. First the lobbyist take up there time in meetings, pushing the projects. Then Congressman spends time trying to see what he wants to do in his district. He picks the projects he wants to earmark and then sets out to get them voted on.

The congressman then spend time manuevering there earmarks onto bills. Then they spend time jockeying with all the other criminals on whose earmarks get funded.

It will be a big thing to do away with them. Sure its only 1 % but the time invested by people who should be doing our work is a joke.

TailgateNut
11-16-2010, 01:06 AM
True enough but Rome wasn't built in a day.

You're right, ......and it took Dubya 8 years to put us in the crapper.

elsid13
11-16-2010, 01:18 AM
I felt same way until I heard they spend the majority of there time lobbying around DC to get the earmarks. They shouldn't be spending that much time for 1% of budget.

Most of the lobbying isn't for earmarks, it for either insert of language into bills to "protect" companies or for tax breaks.

TailgateNut
11-16-2010, 08:31 AM
Most of the lobbying isn't for earmarks, it for either insert of language into bills to "protect" companies or for tax breaks.


regardless of what it's for, it's private entities paying to skew the laws for their interests. It's BS and anyone found to accept favors for favors should face criminal charges with mandetory jail time.