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montrose
11-13-2010, 11:49 AM
Statement from the Broncos on D.J. Williams

"The Denver Broncos are extremely disappointed in D.J. Williams' careless and irresponsible actions on Friday morning. This type of behavior is taken very seriously by the organization.

"The Broncos have levied the heaviest fines possible to him for conduct detrimental to the club under the terms of the Collective Bargaining Agreement due to the disruption and resulting impact on the team. He will not start in Sunday’s game against the Chiefs and has been stripped of his captaincy for the season.

"Any further possible discipline stemming from this incident will be determined by the league's policies and the legal system."

http://www.denverbroncos.com/news-and-blogs/article-1/Statement-from-the-Broncos-on-DJ-Williams/c319b360-b96c-47ad-9ecc-6c72c8724374

Man-Goblin
11-13-2010, 11:59 AM
I'm cool with this. Eventually, he's going to be suspended by the league. This plus losing 3-4 game checks is a pretty stiff penalty. Not to mention I read he's got mandatory 10 day jail sentence coming to him.

Boobs McGee
11-13-2010, 12:20 PM
This is really going to hurt Sunday, but it had to be done.

cutthemdown
11-13-2010, 12:21 PM
The drinking could be an explanation for his up and down play. Hard to tackle hungover.

Goobzilla
11-13-2010, 12:23 PM
What does "not start" mean? 1 play? A quarter?

epicSocialism4tw
11-13-2010, 12:28 PM
Worst Broncos Season Ever.

TheReverend
11-13-2010, 12:30 PM
What does "not start" mean? 1 play? A quarter?

Yeah, seems kinda weak to me honestly.

Having him miss the first series or something and then throwing him in sure doesn't reflect the "character" team we're supposedly trying to build, imo.

16slayer24
11-13-2010, 12:41 PM
does elway drinking vodka dailey make hime a drubk?? he still played well

Goobzilla
11-13-2010, 12:44 PM
does elway drinking vodka dailey make hime a drubk?? he still played well

Mantle would have played the outfield with a whiskey sour in his hand and an unfiltered Lucky Strike.

Broncos4tw
11-13-2010, 12:49 PM
While I agree his actions were boneheaded, particularly when he is supposed to be a leader on the team, there is also a lot of hypocrisy from fans all over the place. You see it every time a player gets a DUI. "Omg.. how thoughtless and dangerous and he could have KILLED someone omg!!"

Yet many of these people drive home intoxicated from a bar, stadium or a friends house after every Bronco game.

But morals aside, very stupid thing to do, and much better to get any punishment out of the way now, prior to next season. I hope the team puts any League actions on the fast track, to get them implemented this season.

Popps
11-13-2010, 12:50 PM
Yeah, seems kinda weak to me honestly.

Having him miss the first series or something and then throwing him in sure doesn't reflect the "character" team we're supposedly trying to build, imo.

Yea, I figured we'd get to it being McDaniels fault... I'm just surprised it took 5 posts.

cutthemdown
11-13-2010, 12:51 PM
Broncos almost have to play him. Unless they want the KC TE to get 7-8 recpetions for 100 yrds etc etc.

Sounds like they will sit him a quarter, wait for NFL to suspend him.

Popps
11-13-2010, 12:51 PM
Wonder why McD didn't just drop a lie detector test on him?

This could all have been sorted out.

cutthemdown
11-13-2010, 12:54 PM
If DJ played consistenly, didn't get in trouble driving drunk, I wouldn't care he partied. It looks like though that isn't the case. It's reasonable to assume he is out late a lot, drinks a lot, and that it has hurt his play on the field.

The fact he plays inconsistent sort of makes that even more believable.

Coming out of HS he was one of the best athletes Calif had to offer. Who knows how good he could have been had he been more dedicated.

Goobzilla
11-13-2010, 12:58 PM
While I agree his actions were boneheaded, particularly when he is supposed to be a leader on the team, there is also a lot of hypocrisy from fans all over the place. You see it every time a player gets a DUI. "Omg.. how thoughtless and dangerous and he could have KILLED someone omg!!"

Yet many of these people drive home intoxicated from a bar, stadium or a friends house after every Bronco game.

But morals aside, very stupid thing to do, and much better to get any punishment out of the way now, prior to next season. I hope the team puts any League actions on the fast track, to get them implemented this season.

NFL star or not, people who drive drunk are stupid and put everyone at risk. Feel better?

Goobzilla
11-13-2010, 01:01 PM
Some guys never learn, you'd think after 5 DUI's, killing 3 teenagers, and losing your NFL career you'd stop drinking & driving. Guess not....

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/106833418.html

TACOMA, Wash. - A former University of Washington and NFL star whose football career died after he crashed his car while drunk and killed three teenagers in 1988 has now been arrested on his sixth DUI, court records show.

Reggie Rogers was taken into custody Friday and booked into Pierce County Jail on suspicion of driving under the influence and driving with a suspended license, records say.

The arrest comes only a year and a half after Rogers was sentenced to two years in prison for his fifth DUI in June 2009.

The arrests cap years of trouble that have followed the ex-UW Husky lineman since 1988, the year after he was drafted by the Detroit Lions.

It was that year that his car struck another vehicle and killed three teenagers in Detroit. He was later found to have a blood alcohol content of 0.15, almost double the legal limit of 0.08.

In 1990, he was convicted of vehicular homicide and sentenced to 16 months in prison. By the end of the 1992 season, Rogers was out of football entirely.

He later moved back to Washington state, where one DUI arrested followed another.

His fifth arrest came in November 2008, when he hit another driver on Interstate 5 on the day before Thanksgiving then fled the scene.

Witnesses said he was weaving all over the freeway before the crash.

Rogers was sentenced to two years in prison and 240 days home monitoring for that DUI in June 2009, but evidently was released early.

Officials have not yet said where exactly Rogers' latest arrest took place. The incident took place Wednesday and e was booked into jail on Friday. Rogers has not posted bail.

Rogers' first DUI arrest came while he was a football player for the UW in the 1980s.

Zoobie
11-13-2010, 01:20 PM
Some guys never learn, you'd think after 5 DUI's, killing 3 teenagers, and losing your NFL career you'd stop drinking & driving. Guess not....

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/106833418.html

TACOMA, Wash. - A former University of Washington and NFL star whose football career died after he crashed his car while drunk and killed three teenagers in 1988 has now been arrested on his sixth DUI, court records show.

Reggie Rogers was taken into custody Friday and booked into Pierce County Jail on suspicion of driving under the influence and driving with a suspended license, records say.

The arrest comes only a year and a half after Rogers was sentenced to two years in prison for his fifth DUI in June 2009.

The arrests cap years of trouble that have followed the ex-UW Husky lineman since 1988, the year after he was drafted by the Detroit Lions.

It was that year that his car struck another vehicle and killed three teenagers in Detroit. He was later found to have a blood alcohol content of 0.15, almost double the legal limit of 0.08.

In 1990, he was convicted of vehicular homicide and sentenced to 16 months in prison. By the end of the 1992 season, Rogers was out of football entirely.

He later moved back to Washington state, where one DUI arrested followed another.

His fifth arrest came in November 2008, when he hit another driver on Interstate 5 on the day before Thanksgiving then fled the scene.

Witnesses said he was weaving all over the freeway before the crash.

Rogers was sentenced to two years in prison and 240 days home monitoring for that DUI in June 2009, but evidently was released early.

Officials have not yet said where exactly Rogers' latest arrest took place. The incident took place Wednesday and e was booked into jail on Friday. Rogers has not posted bail.

Rogers' first DUI arrest came while he was a football player for the UW in the 1980s.

How on earth do you only get 16 months for killing 3 people?

Bob's your Information Minister
11-13-2010, 01:23 PM
Kyle Orton approves.

http://mob483.photobucket.com/albums/rr194/lorincej/KyleOrton.gif?t=1255379916

bowtown
11-13-2010, 01:26 PM
Yeah, seems kinda weak to me honestly.

Having him miss the first series or something and then throwing him in sure doesn't reflect the "character" team we're supposedly trying to build, imo.

Essentially the same punishment Braylon Edwards got a few weeks back. They kept him out for the first quarter. I don't think the team can suspend him without pay in this situation, they can only levy fines. Not sure then what good it does to have him sit the entire game while still making money and ****ing the rest of the team over. This way, with the fine, he is essentially playing for free and has his captainship stripped.

Bob's your Information Minister
11-13-2010, 01:28 PM
Yeah, seems kinda weak to me honestly.

Having him miss the first series or something and then throwing him in sure doesn't reflect the "character" team we're supposedly trying to build, imo.

Drunkards can play for McDaniels, but not Brandon Marshall!

SoCalBronco
11-13-2010, 01:42 PM
If DJ played consistenly, didn't get in trouble driving drunk, I wouldn't care he partied. It looks like though that isn't the case. It's reasonable to assume he is out late a lot, drinks a lot, and that it has hurt his play on the field.

The fact he plays inconsistent sort of makes that even more believable.

Coming out of HS he was one of the best athletes Calif had to offer. Who knows how good he could have been had he been more dedicated.

You're such an idiot, sometimes. He's very dedicated. It sucks that he has an alcohol issue, but that has nothing to do with dedication. Your comments in the other thread about how he "hasn't been a winner since HS" are also stupid and ignorant. He lost like 4 games in college and won arguably 2 national titles. He's been a very hard worker every place he's been, just ask McDaniels. That's not the issue here. Nor is consistency. He's having a Pro Bowl season. He's had 2.5 straight Pro Bowl caliber seasons. I know some people, such as yourself were waiting in the grass for something like this so that you could have fun with it, but your comments are pathetic. He has an alcohol problem and he does make stupid decisions when he doesn't take a free ride home and puts things in jeopardy, but that has nothing to do with being dedicated or hard working as a football player. If he wasn't dedicated, he wouldn't consistently come in on his off day and wouldnt be getting praised by Josh all the time. I would prefer he not party alot and not drink too much, as that generally leads to bad things, but to suggest that he doesn't care about football or isnt dedicated on the field or in the facility because he has an alcohol problem is just dumb.

He definitely deserves to be punished in some manner for being reckless and creating unnecessary distractions and problems for the team at inoppurtune times, but your comments in the other thread are way over the top (I can't root for him.....he's a criminal....he sucks etc.).

TheReverend
11-13-2010, 01:50 PM
Yea, I figured we'd get to it being McDaniels fault... I'm just surprised it took 5 posts.

Yeah that's exactly what I said.

Congrats, you can now add "oversensitive" to your the rest of your retarded flaws.

TheReverend
11-13-2010, 01:54 PM
Essentially the same punishment Braylon Edwards got a few weeks back. They kept him out for the first quarter. I don't think the team can suspend him without pay in this situation, they can only levy fines. Not sure then what good it does to have him sit the entire game while still making money and ****ing the rest of the team over. This way, with the fine, he is essentially playing for free and has his captainship stripped.

Marshall was essentially benched for what the staff perceived as poor character (malingering), so I don't see why they wouldn't send the same message here.

McDaniels wants the Broncos to portray a certain image. DJ Williams' actions were clearly in a direct opposition of that image. Fining for conduct detrimental is all well and good, but I think he should be benched for 1-2 games.

And that's great for Braylon, but if we're going to try to be a character team, I'd rather we not follow precedents set by the team that traded for Santonio Holmes.

Boss Man
11-13-2010, 01:55 PM
If DJ played consistenly, didn't get in trouble driving drunk, I wouldn't care he partied. It looks like though that isn't the case. It's reasonable to assume he is out late a lot, drinks a lot, and that it has hurt his play on the field.

The fact he plays inconsistent sort of makes that even more believable.

Coming out of HS he was one of the best athletes Calif had to offer. Who knows how good he could have been had he been more dedicated.

because you follow him around on a day to day basis monitoring what he does...and you know hes not very dedicated....*** outta here

vanbrugh
11-13-2010, 01:58 PM
Common sense here - well done the organisation!

You know what? i kind of hope that with the drinking issue now out in the open, he now gets the help he needs. Yes it will hurt the Broncos but come on we are talking about peoples lives here.

yerner
11-13-2010, 02:01 PM
Did they ever say what his BAC was?

Bob's your Information Minister
11-13-2010, 02:03 PM
Did they ever say what his BAC was?

Bet it was higher than Slowshon's YPC.

UberBroncoMan
11-13-2010, 02:19 PM
Based on DJ's tweet it seems like he has an alcohol problem...sooooo yeah...

yerner
11-13-2010, 02:21 PM
Bet it was higher than Slowshon's YPC.

Hey O! Rimshot !

bpc
11-13-2010, 02:32 PM
Latest bout of stupidity for the 2010 Denver Broncos. Anybody surprised? DJ has had numerous issues with alcohol related incidents. The cherry on top is that he's busted a few hours before he's supposed to be at the facility for who knows what, film, practice, meetings... f'n stupid idiot, asshole. Talk about lack of responsibility. When you have like this leading your program, that's why you end up 2-6 or whatever the hell our pathetic record is.

I don't think i've ever seen a more selfish, ignorant team than this version of the Denver Broncos from the Owner on down to the players. I mean, we are plagued by stupidity.

Screw you DJ. I hope you get busted for 4-8 games. You could have killed somebody and you need to be taught a lesson. I hope the league does too.

cutthemdown
11-13-2010, 02:33 PM
because you follow him around on a day to day basis monitoring what he does...and you know hes not very dedicated....*** outta here

I know he's not very consistent, never reached potnetial, and gets busted for DUI a lot. He's admitted he likes to party etc etc. It's not unreasonable to question his dedication to being the best linebacker he could be.

So I guess you will never make an opinion based on anyone unless you follow them around?

Taco John
11-13-2010, 02:44 PM
I've been a fan and supporter of DJ ever since he got here, but I think it's weak that he's going to be playing tomorrow after getting busted for a DUI. Not starting isn't enough. He should be inactive, in street clothes, showing an example to the team of what it costs to drive drunk on the streets of Denver.

vanbrugh
11-13-2010, 03:02 PM
I would imagine there are some contractual issues due to the lack of CBA that affect what the broncos have decided. I

go_broncos
11-13-2010, 03:05 PM
Mcd talked lot about discipline..He even benched Marshall and Scheffler last year.
DJ should not play this game.

spdirty
11-13-2010, 03:22 PM
I would imagine there are some contractual issues due to the lack of CBA that affect what the broncos have decided. I

The CBA does not prevent a team from putting a player on the inactive list.

Boobs McGee
11-13-2010, 03:26 PM
I've been a fan and supporter of DJ ever since he got here, but I think it's weak that he's going to be playing tomorrow after getting busted for a DUI. Not starting isn't enough. He should be inactive, in street clothes, showing an example to the team of what it costs to drive drunk on the streets of Denver.

This is actually his 2nd DUI btw...I would HOPE McD would do exactly what you wrote in your post.

The MVPlaya
11-13-2010, 03:26 PM
Marshall was essentially benched for what the staff perceived as poor character (malingering), so I don't see why they wouldn't send the same message here.

McDaniels wants the Broncos to portray a certain image. DJ Williams' actions were clearly in a direct opposition of that image. Fining for conduct detrimental is all well and good, but I think he should be benched for 1-2 games.

And that's great for Braylon, but if we're going to try to be a character team, I'd rather we not follow precedents set by the team that traded for Santonio Holmes.

Marshall wasn't going to play anyways. He didn't want to play because of his "injury."

Nice try to compare the two situations and put this under McDaniels though.

ColoradoDarin
11-13-2010, 03:30 PM
Marshall was essentially benched for what the staff perceived as poor character (malingering), so I don't see why they wouldn't send the same message here.

McDaniels wants the Broncos to portray a certain image. DJ Williams' actions were clearly in a direct opposition of that image. Fining for conduct detrimental is all well and good, but I think he should be benched for 1-2 games.

And that's great for Braylon, but if we're going to try to be a character team, I'd rather we not follow precedents set by the team that traded for Santonio Holmes.

Personally I would sit DJ for the whole game, at the very least. Marshall's character issues were both off and on the field, while I've never heard a bad thing said about DJ's on the field effort, either in practice or games (and prior to this year, I was no DJ fan. He had turned my opinion around).

Taco John
11-13-2010, 03:40 PM
Nice try to compare the two situations and put this under McDaniels though.



It's absolutely under McDaniels. A player on his roster got busted drinking and driving for the second time, and that player will be suited up and playing on Sunday. That sends a bad message to everyone. And while it doesn't exactly condone what DJ did, it sure doesn't speak too loudly against it.

I think this situation sucks, and it sure puts the team in a bad spot, but I'd rather see DJ on the sidelines thinking about how he could be contributing and what he's doing with his life than on the field believing that he doesn't need to make too many adjustments because he's too valuable to punish.

Dudeskey
11-13-2010, 03:49 PM
Dumb decision, but I'm glad the cops picked him up before he pulled a John Mobley...™

Popps
11-13-2010, 03:51 PM
It's absolutely under McDaniels. A player on his roster got busted drinking and driving for the second time, and that player will be suited up and playing on Sunday. That sends a bad message to everyone. And while it doesn't exactly condone what DJ did, it sure doesn't speak too loudly against it.

I think this situation sucks, and it sure puts the team in a bad spot, but I'd rather see DJ on the sidelines thinking about how he could be contributing and what he's doing with his life than on the field believing that he doesn't need to make too many adjustments because he's too valuable to punish.

While I'd like to see him punished further, too... do we have any examples of teams punishing guys worse than this for a DUI expense?

I mean, this seems par for course for a guy with one prior offense.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
11-13-2010, 04:07 PM
Worst Broncos Season Ever.

No. Perspective. Whatsoever.

Absolutely. Not. Surprising.

Al Wilson
11-13-2010, 04:08 PM
Bet it was higher than Slowshon's YPC.
lmaooo **** u bob

cutthemdown
11-13-2010, 04:20 PM
Maybe DJ will finally be sober for a game this week.

Garcia Bronco
11-13-2010, 04:47 PM
His drunk ass should be in jail.

Dedhed
11-13-2010, 05:07 PM
Coming out of HS he was one of the best athletes Calif had to offer. Who knows how good he could have been had he been more dedicated.
Being jerked around by Shanahan's defensive impotence has more to do with DJs underwhelming career. He was a beast as a rookie.

If Shanny had a defensive clue he would have built around DJ as a will. Instead he, in his infinite genius, brought back the amazing Ian Gold and relegated DJ to a mediocre career playing out of position.

vanbrugh
11-13-2010, 06:18 PM
This ball club just cant catch a break.....

I wonder how many people that are sure to be critical of how the broncos have dealt with this would have the same view if this was a 6-2 team?

Popps
11-13-2010, 06:31 PM
When you have like this leading your program, that's why you end up 2-6 or whatever the hell our pathetic record is.

Yea, Shanahan left some real dopes behind.

Luckily, we've gotten rid of a few of them already.

The house-cleaning process takes time, though.

I'm fine with struggling for a while if it means getting "star" players like this off of our team.

Popps
11-13-2010, 06:32 PM
This ball club just cant catch a break.....

I wonder how many people that are sure to be critical of how the broncos have dealt with this would have the same view if this was a 6-2 team?

Would have been the same response.

You've just got a faction around here that needs the team to fail. When the team WAS playing well last season, most of those people went into hiding.
When they return to playing well, those people will go into hiding again.

It's just the way of the Mane.

ScottXray
11-13-2010, 06:33 PM
This is really going to hurt Sunday, but it had to be done.

So he doesn't START...it doesn't say he won't PLAY.

My thought is he gets the fines, doesn't start and is not captain....in name.

If he truly is a leader then he will go out and show something this week after the first series is done.

Popps
11-13-2010, 06:34 PM
I'm still waiting on a clear-cut example of an NFL team that has acted in a more harsh fashion with a team captain after a 2nd DUI offense like this.

Not condoning it at all. They could cut DJ right now and I wouldn't bat an eye.

I'm just saying... show me the example of the NFL team that handled this differently, because I can provide dozens of examples of teams that have handled it the same or with less severity.

The MVPlaya
11-13-2010, 06:57 PM
It's absolutely under McDaniels. A player on his roster got busted drinking and driving for the second time, and that player will be suited up and playing on Sunday. That sends a bad message to everyone. And while it doesn't exactly condone what DJ did, it sure doesn't speak too loudly against it.

I think this situation sucks, and it sure puts the team in a bad spot, but I'd rather see DJ on the sidelines thinking about how he could be contributing and what he's doing with his life than on the field believing that he doesn't need to make too many adjustments because he's too valuable to punish.

Do you know how it works? Will DJ get paid by the team if he doesn't play? When was the last time a player got suspended for a DUI by his own team? What if the NFL eventually suspends him? You should answer these questions before jumping the gun.

We're 2-6 right now, and it is a division game... what is really the dollar value of playing him vs sitting him? Considering it is probably the most important game of the season thus far... and Woodyard is "questionable" too. You should take this into consideration too.

You're right, the situation sucks, but there are much more variables that come into the equation, other than setting a bad example which seems to be the general reason for the extra harsh punishments around here. There is a dollar value to everything that is done... I dont' know if the team can suspend his pay, and if they can't it'd be absolutely retarded NOT to play him. Broncos will just allow the NFL to do what they do... they'll hand out the necessary punishments since this puts a bad image on the NFL too...

The MVPlaya
11-13-2010, 07:00 PM
Looking at it in a positive light... this will probably give a HUGE motivation to DJ on Sunday. I hope he puts on a great performance.

He'll get his, but the most important thing now is the Chiefs.

missingnumber7
11-13-2010, 07:13 PM
Well instead of being a gloomy gus about DJ...how about being a positive guy and saying LETS GO JOE.

baja
11-13-2010, 07:23 PM
Josh's "Team first" philosophy takes time to transition into. He is teaching this to all the players, the ones he acquired and the ones he inherited. I am sure he weighs many considerations in coming to a punishment that best serves the team. I have no problem with what they came up with.

Jetmeck
11-13-2010, 09:46 PM
I hope he kicks ass tomorrow. He will pay the fine and likely be suspended by the NFL which is more than satisfactory to me.

Quoydogs
11-13-2010, 09:54 PM
I'm sorry but I think Suspending him is wrong. Fine him or what ever but take one of the only decent defensive players we have right now. It's not only hurting him, but it is also hurting a team that can't afford it right now.


I know i will get flamed but if Manning, Brady, Ray Ray were to get one they would be in there playing the same week.

You only get 16 games to prove who you are and so far we have not done that well.

It was a DUI Horrible and wrong it may be but he did not even hurt anyone. I know I know he could have but he didn't. He has not even been proven guilty yet.

I sorry BAD MOVE !

bpc
11-13-2010, 10:01 PM
Looking at it in a positive light... this will probably give a HUGE motivation to DJ on Sunday. I hope he puts on a great performance.

He'll get his, but the most important thing now is the Chiefs.

If he's not boozed up 2 hrs before kickoff....

Honestly, that has got to be the biggest loser trait of them all. You don't take earning your living serious enough to be ****ing drunk, two hours before you show up for work?

TONS of respect lost for talented Mr. DJ Williams on this one. I don't know if he shall live it down. Sadly, this is what, the 2nd time he's done this? Definitely not a trait I admire in a player.

bpc
11-13-2010, 10:03 PM
Josh's "lose first" philosophy takes time to transition into. He is teaching this to all the players, the ones he acquired and the ones he inherited. I am sure he weighs many considerations in coming to a punishment that best serves the team. I have no problem with what they came up with.

Fixed it. Leave Josh out of it. DJ is an idiot player. Josh is an idiot coach who has lost control of this team, hence 2-6.

Taco John
11-13-2010, 10:03 PM
Do you know how it works?

I don't care how other teams do it. The last thing I want to see is a guy making plays on Sunday who just got arrested this past week for DUI. I think it sends a bad message to everyone who receives that message. How other teams handle this is irrelevant to me.

Taco John
11-13-2010, 10:06 PM
I'm fine with struggling for a while if it means getting "star" players like this off of our team.

DJ isn't going anywhere any time soon...

Popps
11-13-2010, 10:07 PM
DJ isn't going anywhere any time soon...

No, I don't suspect he will be.

But, I wouldn't be sweating it if he was.

baja
11-13-2010, 10:09 PM
DJ isn't going anywhere any time soon...

I wouldn't be surprised to see him traded next season if there is a season.

Popps
11-13-2010, 10:13 PM
I don't care how other teams do it. The last thing I want to see is a guy making plays on Sunday who just got arrested this past week for DUI. I think it sends a bad message to everyone who receives that message. How other teams handle this is irrelevant to me.

Yea, well... Leonard Little killed a woman and suited up the following Sunday.

I agree with you... he shouldn't play... but it's not realistic to expect that we'll handle this much differently than dozens of other teams facing the same issue.
They'll slap his wrist until more details come out, and they'll let the league's punishment take its course.

You and I can dislike it all we want... but it's a league thing, not a Broncos thing. There are established patterns of dealing with this stuff that I assume involves the league office, the NFLPA, etc.

Taco John
11-13-2010, 10:13 PM
I wouldn't be surprised to see him traded next season if there is a season.

Hmm... I suppose with no CBA, that's actually a real possibility.

Popps
11-13-2010, 10:15 PM
Hmm... I suppose with no CBA, that's actually a real possibility.

Who's going to want that salary for a slightly above average player on suspension and in danger of missing an entire season?

I guess we did dump Marshall on someone, so anything is possible.

footstepsfrom#27
11-13-2010, 10:18 PM
I'm still waiting on a clear-cut example of an NFL team that has acted in a more harsh fashion with a team captain after a 2nd DUI offense like this.

Not condoning it at all. They could cut DJ right now and I wouldn't bat an eye.

I'm just saying... show me the example of the NFL team that handled this differently, because I can provide dozens of examples of teams that have handled it the same or with less severity.
Would you please?

eddie mac
11-13-2010, 10:20 PM
Some people may forget that McDaniels is playing for his career for the rest of this season and maybe just maybe his decision is partially based on that

He probably knows full well that if he sits DJ for the entire game or more the Broncos are farse worse off with a defense that has been misfiring all season.

2-6 teams maybe have to slacken a little on their principles for a change and do whatever they can to help get that W.

I for one second dont condone what DJ did and he'll pay for it both via the Broncos and the NFL but now is not the time and place to worry about a public image for "off the field" when "on the field" performances make you look like a bunch of dicks anyway.

baja
11-13-2010, 10:27 PM
Some people may forget that McDaniels is playing for his career for the rest of this season and maybe just maybe his decision is partially based on that

He probably knows full well that if he sits DJ for the entire game or more the Broncos are farse worse off with a defense that has been misfiring all season.

2-6 teams maybe have to slacken a little on their principles for a change and do whatever they can to help get that W.

I for one second dont condone what DJ did and he'll pay for it both via the Broncos and the NFL but now is not the time and place to worry about a public image for "off the field" when "on the field" performances make you look like a bunch of ***** anyway.

Why do some of you want to cut off your nose to spite your face?

DJ will get his soon enough but the team should not have for his stupidity.

Taco John
11-13-2010, 10:30 PM
Some people may forget that McDaniels is playing for his career for the rest of this season and maybe just maybe his decision is partially based on that

He probably knows full well that if he sits DJ for the entire game or more the Broncos are farse worse off with a defense that has been misfiring all season.

2-6 teams maybe have to slacken a little on their principles for a change and do whatever they can to help get that W.

I for one second dont condone what DJ did and he'll pay for it both via the Broncos and the NFL but now is not the time and place to worry about a public image for "off the field" when "on the field" performances make you look like a bunch of ***** anyway.


Josh is really caught in a bad situation here, that's for sure.

He's a man with young children. This has to make him as sick as it does me. It doesn't take having children to appreciate life, but it sure puts a fine focus on what someone who gets drunk and gets behind the wheel put at risk.

I can understand a single DUI. Everyone is entitled to a wake up call. But that second DUI isn't just a mistake. It's a repeat occurance after having been through the ordeal once already. It shows a complete disregard for yourself and others.

Popps
11-13-2010, 10:39 PM
Would you please?

There are two in this thread, alone. Include DJ's first, and that's 3.

You serious?

Ronnie Brown from this season... fairly sure he wasn't suspended for any games.

Joey Porter this year.

Maualuga from this year, no game-suspension from team.


Again, we could just make this much easier by YOU giving me the example of the NFL team that showed considerably more force with their discipline than we did with DJ.

I've asked several times, and no one can answer.

Conversely, I can show you a guy who literally killed a woman and suited up the next Sunday.

Popps
11-13-2010, 10:41 PM
And by the way... if Woodyard is healthy, I think he'd probably play fine tomorrow.

The last time DJ Williams left the line-up, there wasn't a big drop-off in production from the group.

I'm not saying he's not talented, but he's not like losing a healthy Doomervil or Champ Bailey.

baja
11-13-2010, 10:42 PM
There are two in this thread, alone. Include DJ's first, and that's 3.

You serious?

Ronnie Brown from this season... fairly sure he wasn't suspended for any games.

Joey Porter this year.

Maualuga from this year, no game-suspension from team.


Again, we could just make this much easier by YOU giving me the example of the NFL team that showed considerably more force with their discipline than we did with DJ.

I've asked several times, and no one can answer.

Conversely, I can show you a guy who literally killed a woman and suited up the next Sunday.

Don't forget marshall under Shanny.

HAT
11-13-2010, 10:43 PM
I don't care how other teams do it. The last thing I want to see is a guy making plays on Sunday who just got arrested this past week for DUI. I think it sends a bad message to everyone who receives that message. How other teams handle this is irrelevant to me.

So all the dudes sitting in a drunk tank right now should not be allowed to go to work on Monday? Please.

It doesn't matter if you are a janitor, a VP of a Fortune 500 company or a professional athlete....The courts will take care of due process. If your union, board of directors, or league wants to take additional action after due process has been served, fine, but as long as you're not driving a truck or flying a plane for a living....There is no reason not to work in the interim.

Get to work son....And **** the chiefs!

mkporter
11-13-2010, 10:51 PM
Seems like a pretty reasonable punishment to me. While it is pretty likely he is guilty, he has only been arrested on suspicion of DUI at this point. From his employer's perspective, he made them look bad by being arrested, and he wasn't able to participate in practice for a day. For that, he is taking the maximum fine and being stripped of his captaincy (which has to sting pretty bad). Not starting the game seems silly to me, either suspend him or play him, but don't go half way. I wouldn't have objected if they decided to sit him for a game, but I'm not outraged that they didn't. If it turns out that he is guilty, he'll sit without pay for 4 games, and probably serve some jail time.

SoCalBronco
11-13-2010, 11:10 PM
I wouldn't be surprised to see him traded next season if there is a season.

I'd be shocked if they were that stupid...even with their record of stupidity. He's not going anywhere and he shouldn't go anywhere. He's one of the Broncos best and most consistent players. He's not a bad seed either, he just has a real and serious alcohol problem . Unfortunately, unlike others, he doesnt display the judgment to call a cab or make alternative arrangements to ensure he doesn't get behind the wheel. That IS dumb, no question and penalties were needed to disincentivize going out and drinking without arranging for proper transportation. Getting rid of a Pro Bowl player that IS a good and loyal and hardworking kid who simply has a disease that he needs to treat for is beyond stupid and I don't think Josh is that dumb. Josh knows his value and knows that he is a good person. He's not Dale Carter or some thug. He's a good influence on young players in the facility, he works with them and is a team first guy ordinarily (just ask Josh). If they really are dumb enough to get rattled by some self righteous fans and move this kid after this incident and the probable 2 game NFL suspension (based on the Allen precedent), I will NEVER ever forgive that or respect Bowlen again (especially since it would be highly hypocritical for Bowlen in particular to be on a high horse about this issue). He's been punished and will be punished further (and definitely deserves what's coming to him in terms of the suspension and the fines that have been levied, that was definitely fair. He's a very good player and 99% of the time a very good Bronco. He shouldn't be run out of town because he got a 2nd DUI.

I swear to God the 15 inch dick with AIDS thing will be like a walk in the park if the team decided to move this kid because of the 2nd DUI and the 2 game suspension. There's nothing in the english language that can fully capture how irate I would be if that happened. He's not a thug and he's not a bad person. He has a disease and cannot kick the habit without help. What he needs is treatment and transportation monitoring from the team.

baja
11-13-2010, 11:16 PM
I'd be shocked if they were that stupid...even with their record of stupidity. He's not going anywhere and he shouldn't go anywhere. He's one of the Broncos best and most consistent players. He's not a bad seed either, he just has a real and serious alcohol problem . Unfortunately, unlike others, he doesnt display the judgment to call a cab or make alternative arrangements to ensure he doesn't get behind the wheel. That IS dumb, no question and penalties were needed to disincentivize going out and drinking without arranging for proper transportation. Getting rid of a Pro Bowl player that IS a good and loyal and hardworking kid who simply has a disease that he needs to treat for is beyond stupid and I don't think Josh is that dumb. Josh knows his value and knows that he is a good person. He's not Dale Carter or some thug. He's a good influence on young players in the facility, he works with them and is a team first guy ordinarily (just ask Josh). If they really are dumb enough to get rattled by some self righteous fans and move this kid after this incident and the probable 2 game NFL suspension (based on the Allen precedent), I will NEVER ever forgive that or respect Bowlen again (especially since it would be highly hypocritical for Bowlen in particular to be on a high horse about this issue). He's been punished and will be punished further (and definitely deserves what's coming to him in terms of the suspension and the fines that have been levied, that was definitely fair. He's a very good player and 99% of the time a very good Bronco. He shouldn't be run out of town because he got a 2nd DUI.

I swear to God the 15 inch dick with AIDS thing will be like a walk in the park if the team decided to move this kid because of the 2nd DUI and the 2 game suspension. There's nothing in the english language that can fully capture how irate I would be if that happened. He's not a thug and he's not a bad person. He has a disease and cannot kick the habit without help. What he needs is treatment and transportation monitoring from the team.

It will all depend on DJ. If he shows remorse and honestly seeks help for his problem than he deserves a chance. If he blames everyone except himself than he is unlikely to change and we should move on. Sober and willing to get the help to stay that way he's an asset but if he remains in denial we must move on.

cutthemdown
11-13-2010, 11:19 PM
I'd be shocked if they were that stupid...even with their record of stupidity. He's not going anywhere and he shouldn't go anywhere. He's one of the Broncos best and most consistent players. He's not a bad seed either, he just has a real and serious alcohol problem . Unfortunately, unlike others, he doesnt display the judgment to call a cab or make alternative arrangements to ensure he doesn't get behind the wheel. That IS dumb, no question and penalties were needed to disincentivize going out and drinking without arranging for proper transportation. Getting rid of a Pro Bowl player that IS a good and loyal and hardworking kid who simply has a disease that he needs to treat for is beyond stupid and I don't think Josh is that dumb. Josh knows his value and knows that he is a good person. He's not Dale Carter or some thug. He's a good influence on young players in the facility, he works with them and is a team first guy ordinarily (just ask Josh). If they really are dumb enough to get rattled by some self righteous fans and move this kid after this incident and the probable 2 game NFL suspension (based on the Allen precedent), I will NEVER ever forgive that or respect Bowlen again (especially since it would be highly hypocritical for Bowlen in particular to be on a high horse about this issue). He's been punished and will be punished further (and definitely deserves what's coming to him in terms of the suspension and the fines that have been levied, that was definitely fair. He's a very good player and 99% of the time a very good Bronco. He shouldn't be run out of town because he got a 2nd DUI.

I swear to God the 15 inch dick with AIDS thing will be like a walk in the park if the team decided to move this kid because of the 2nd DUI and the 2 game suspension. There's nothing in the english language that can fully capture how irate I would be if that happened. He's not a thug and he's not a bad person. He has a disease and cannot kick the habit without help. What he needs is treatment and transportation monitoring from the team.

DJ really doesn't fit a 3-4 that well. Also what year did DJ make the pro bowl....I'd like to see what his numbers were that yr. I guess i forgot that he was a pro bowler.

If Broncos let DJ go it should be because he doesn't fit the defense or isn't a good player. I doubt anyone would give much in a trade anyways. Not like teams will line up for a 30 yr old, semi avg, non physical linebacker. I do think he would get tons of action as a FA with all the 4-3 teams looking for a weakside backer who can run and cover.

Also if Broncos did add a mauler at the other inside backer spot, and got some beef at DE and DT then maybe DJ could run around in a 3-4. But this yr I see him getting washed out of a lot of plays because hes not stout enough.

strafen
11-13-2010, 11:23 PM
It will all depend on DJ. If he shows remorse and honestly seeks help for his problem than he deserves a chance. If he blames everyone except himself than he is unlikely to change and we should move on. Sober and willing to get the help to stay that way he's an asset but if he remains in denial we must move on.I don't see how he could possibly blame anybody but himself. That's something that will not even come close to ponder over...
He will plea his case differently. He's going to take responsibility in front of a judge and the NFL.
He will likely get (ordered) into some kind of supervised rehab...

baja
11-13-2010, 11:25 PM
I don't see how he could possibly blame anybody but himself. That's something that will not even come close to ponder about...
He will plea his case differently. He's going to take responsibility in front of a judge and the NFL.
He will likely get (ordered) into some kind of supervised rehab...

You don't know much about the disease of alcoholism do you?

It's a disease of denial

strafen
11-13-2010, 11:33 PM
You don't know much about the disease of alcoholism do you?It's a disease of denial I don't drink, but I do see your point and I understand that. I'm pretty sure in his mind, he thinks he doesn't have a problem, or that it's not a big deal.

What I'm saying though, in front of a judge he will be playing a different tune.

Taco John
11-13-2010, 11:38 PM
So all the dudes sitting in a drunk tank right now should not be allowed to go to work on Monday? Please.



Completely different paradigm.

baja
11-13-2010, 11:42 PM
I don't drink, but I do see your point and I understand that. I'm pretty sure in his mind, he thinks he doesn't have a problem, or that it's not a big deal.

<b>What I'm saying though, in front of a judge he will be playing a different tune.

Of course that is the MO of an alcoholic in denial.

HAT
11-13-2010, 11:52 PM
Completely different paradigm.

How so? And why not quote my entire original post if you truly think that?

Airline pilot, UPS driver, tanker pilot, Railroad Engineer.....Fine, suspend immediately until the facts become more clear.

But there's no reason whatsoever a dopey football player shouldn't be allowed to run around and tackle people a few days after making bail for a DUI. No more than a janitor should be suspended from mopping the floors on Monday morning after a Friday night bender/DUI arrest.

strafen
11-14-2010, 12:02 AM
How so? And why not quote my entire original post if you truly think that?

Airline pilot, UPS driver, tanker pilot, Railroad Engineer.....Fine, suspend immediately until the facts become more clear.

But there's no reason whatsoever a dopey football player shouldn't be allowed to run around and tackle people a few days after making bail for a DUI. No more than a janitor should be suspended from mopping the floors on Monday morning after a Friday night bender/DUI arrest.Those are regular folks, dude.
When you're a public figure and represent an organiztion like the NFL the world will be watching and the stakes are higher.

There will be a lot to be said if DJ plays Sunday.

At this point, I believe he will not play. That he will not "start" is just smoke screens...

HAT
11-14-2010, 12:23 AM
Those are regular folks, dude.
When you're a public figure and represent an organiztion like the NFL the world will be watching and the stakes are higher.




Go back and read my original post (#74)...I'm not saying at all that the NFL shouldn't take further action after due process.

Just as a CEO of a major corporation or a Congressman would (and should) face further measures from his shareholders or constituents. That doesn't mean the CEO shouldn't be at work on Monday morning if the company is fending off a hostile take-over or the Congressman should miss a key vote.

If his immediate employer (The Denver Broncos, not the NFL) wants to suspend him before due process, that's their prerogative I guess, but they shouldn't be required to (or even expected to, IMO).

It's a major blunder for the organization (Bowlen, McD, whoever) if DJ doesn't play in this game.

SlipperyPete
11-14-2010, 02:09 AM
I'm still waiting on a clear-cut example of an NFL team that has acted in a more harsh fashion with a team captain after a 2nd DUI offense like this.

Not condoning it at all. They could cut DJ right now and I wouldn't bat an eye.

I'm just saying... show me the example of the NFL team that handled this differently, because I can provide dozens of examples of teams that have handled it the same or with less severity.

How many of those other teams have operated like McDaniels has, benching two productive players (Marshall, Scheffler) for an entire game last season for offenses infinitely less serious than a DUI arrest? Then he shipped both players out of town over the offseason. Then he capped off Operation: Character by using a first round pick to draft the NFL's first admitted virgin.

If those are the rules he wants to play by, eyebrows are going to be raised and questions are going to be asked if a player gets arrested on Friday (particularly on a 2nd offense) and still plays on Sunday.

It has nothing to do with other teams and what they've done. It has everything to do with McDaniels and what he's done.

Cito Pelon
11-14-2010, 02:38 AM
Stripping DJ of the captaincy has to hurt. That's a gutshot, that may have been the hardest blow the team can deal him.

The MVPlaya
11-14-2010, 02:41 AM
I don't care how other teams do it. The last thing I want to see is a guy making plays on Sunday who just got arrested this past week for DUI. I think it sends a bad message to everyone who receives that message. How other teams handle this is irrelevant to me.

Stop being ignorant. I'm not only asking you what other teams have done, I'm asking you if you even understand the process of it to begin with along with the other variables.

No one gives a **** what you want to be honest.

Great way of responding to my post with with no real ground other than your emotions talking instead of your brain.

The MVPlaya
11-14-2010, 02:45 AM
I don't drink

That's because your balls haven't dropped yet.

Or is there even a pair to drop?

You don't need to drink to know about alcohol and the effects... p***Y.

The MVPlaya
11-14-2010, 02:55 AM
How many of those other teams have operated like McDaniels has, benching two productive players (Marshall, Scheffler) for an entire game last season for offenses infinitely less serious than a DUI arrest? Then he shipped both players out of town over the offseason. Then he capped off Operation: Character by using a first round pick to draft the NFL's first admitted virgin.

If those are the rules he wants to play by, eyebrows are going to be raised and questions are going to be asked if a player gets arrested on Friday (particularly on a 2nd offense) and still plays on Sunday.

It has nothing to do with other teams and what they've done. It has everything to do with McDaniels and what he's done.

1st off, and again, he didn't bench Marshall. You got idiots running around saying he benched him. Marshall wasn't going to PLAY PERIOD. McDaniels wanted to make it a point that Marshall was not injured, and that he was getting benched. AGAIN, HE WASN'T GOING TO PLAY.

Scheffler said he couldn't wait til the season was over. He pretty much said he's done and he quit.

Don't forget, before these decisions, McDaniels speaks with the Team Captains before making them and takes their input. There a lot of clues at the time that would make you think the captains wanted Scheffler benched.

Get the ****ing story right 1st.

Now onto your moronic assessment.

You're saying that McDaniels is an idiot for doing what no other teams have done/do (ship out Scheffler, Marshall etc) yet you're saying he's raising eyebrows for not doing what no other teams have done, which is not playing DJ after a DUI. Really?

And what does Tebow being virgin have to do with any of this? You think he was drafted for being a virgin over being a hard worker and winner?

GTFOH with your garbage. Typical Denver fan who knows nothing.

The MVPlaya
11-14-2010, 02:59 AM
Oh, and Patriots traded Randy Moss... but I guess McDaniels is a demon for trading Marshall since he was entering his prime... even though they were both in contract seasons.

Taco John
11-14-2010, 04:20 AM
Stop being ignorant. I'm not only asking you what other teams have done, I'm asking you if you even understand the process of it to begin with along with the other variables.

No one gives a **** what you want to be honest.

Great way of responding to my post with with no real ground other than your emotions talking instead of your brain.



Whatever dude. I know what to expect from you: you're going to toe the party line.

My emotions and my brain are speaking together. This is what it means to be a fan. I'm not a blind homer who just accepts whatever the team decides and rationalizes it and calls that thinking. I have principles and standards of my own, and I use them to make judgements instead of having my judgements dictated to me based on what the team decides.

Yes, I have been watching football for my entire life. I know the process, and I don't care. The process has loooong been deficient, and people who accept a deficient process just because it's the process are deficient themselves. I do not and WILL NOT take it lightly when lives are put at risk. It makes me sick, and I find it unacceptable to see that player on the field of glory after such an event. This might be an emotional outlook. I don't care. DJ sure didn't care when he pulled onto the road drunk.

Yes, I understand that the league is going to ban him. But I would like to see the team itself make a stand and send a message. They're not going to. Fine. I'll still root for them to beat the Chiefs. But I don't have to like the fact that we're going to be playing a guy who should be in street clothes considering the direction his life has taken, and the lives he could have taken. There is absolutely no excuse for an NFL football player to get a DUI. None whatsoever.

The MVPlaya
11-14-2010, 04:36 AM
Whatever dude. I know what to expect from you: you're going to toe the party line.

My emotions and my brain are speaking together. This is what it means to be a fan. I'm not a blind homer who just accepts whatever the team decides and rationalizes it and calls that thinking. I have principles and standards of my own, and I use them to make judgements instead of having my judgements dictated to me based on what the team decides.

Yes, I have been watching football for my entire life. I know the process, and I don't care. The process has loooong been deficient, and people who accept a deficient process just because it's the process are deficient themselves. I do not and WILL NOT take it lightly when lives are put at risk. It makes me sick, and I find it unacceptable to see that player on the field of glory after such an event. This might be an emotional outlook. I don't care. DJ sure didn't care when he pulled onto the road drunk.

Yes, I understand that the league is going to ban him. But I would like to see the team itself make a stand and send a message. They're not going to. Fine. I'll still root for them to beat the Chiefs. But I don't have to like the fact that we're going to be playing a guy who should be in street clothes considering the direction his life has taken, and the lives he could have taken. There is absolutely no excuse for an NFL football player to get a DUI. None whatsoever.

I take all the variables into account. I understand the seriousness of what he did, and I understand how serious some people take it over others.

However, when you sit here and disregard all logic, and impose your "principles and standards" above all like the damn bible, that is called being ignorant.

The MVPlaya
11-14-2010, 04:43 AM
They have fined him the max they could. His base salary this year is 8.6 million (according to yahoo)... that does not include escalators. That's about 538k per game.

So you're going to pay a player over half a millon to sit on the sidelines (assuming the team cannot suspend his pay) and sit him to prove a point because your feelings on it? Considering, he'll probably get suspended anyways, do you really think it is worth it to suspend him in out MOST important game this season? This game and every singe one next, has our fate on the line. We're not 6-2.

And as McDaniels said in the interview, there are other people involved in handling this.. not just his.

baja
11-14-2010, 06:27 AM
Whatever dude. I know what to expect from you: you're going to toe the party line.

My emotions and my brain are speaking together. This is what it means to be a fan. I'm not a blind homer who just accepts whatever the team decides and rationalizes it and calls that thinking. I have principles and standards of my own, and I use them to make judgements instead of having my judgements dictated to me based on what the team decides.

Yes, I have been watching football for my entire life. I know the process, and I don't care. The process has loooong been deficient, and people who accept a deficient process just because it's the process are deficient themselves. I do not and WILL NOT take it lightly when lives are put at risk. It makes me sick, and I find it unacceptable to see that player on the field of glory after such an event. This might be an emotional outlook. I don't care. DJ sure didn't care when he pulled onto the road drunk.

Yes, I understand that the league is going to ban him. But I would like to see the team itself make a stand and send a message. They're not going to. Fine. I'll still root for them to beat the Chiefs. But I don't have to like the fact that we're going to be playing a guy who should be in street clothes considering the direction his life has taken, and the lives he could have taken. There is absolutely no excuse for an NFL football player to get a DUI. None whatsoever.

TJ after reading you posts all these years I have come to the conclusion that you, like Shanny are a "dog house" guy and once a guy gets in your dog house it is very hard to get out. You got Josh deep in that dog house and from now on he will be damned if he does and damed if he doesn't. I have a feeling if Josh benched him for the game you would argue that Josh was making the team pay for DJ's mistake and they should find another way to punish him.

I would like your honest answer to a a two part question. What do you think Shanahan would have done in in this situation and how would you have reacted to his decision if he played him? Be honest.

bowtown
11-14-2010, 07:35 AM
Go back and read my original post (#74)...I'm not saying at all that the NFL shouldn't take further action after due process.

Just as a CEO of a major corporation or a Congressman would (and should) face further measures from his shareholders or constituents. That doesn't mean the CEO shouldn't be at work on Monday morning if the company is fending off a hostile take-over or the Congressman should miss a key vote.

If his immediate employer (The Denver Broncos, not the NFL) wants to suspend him before due process, that's their prerogative I guess, but they shouldn't be required to (or even expected to, IMO).

It's a major blunder for the organization (Bowlen, McD, whoever) if DJ doesn't play in this game.

I agree with this for the most part, but I think DJ should be benched for the game. Not for drinking and driving, but for being out drunk just hours before he was supposed to be at practice. That's going to effect the way he comes in and does his job. If he cares so little for it, then he shouldn't be allowed to do it this week. That's the same judgement handed down to Marshall and Scheffler, who were both benched for lack of on-the-field effort.

Had he been arrested on his way home at 10 that night, I would be okay with just the fine and the captainship strip.

CEH
11-14-2010, 07:52 AM
Precendent has been set for this type of action plain and simple

Three occasions now have been caterorized as "for conduct detrimental to the club ". Two have sat, one will play

So someone explain to me how the words "I wish the season would end" equates to a one game suspesnion but a repeat offense for DUI for a team capatain no less garners sitting for a series or two

Tells me that winning or possibly playing for your HC job supercedes character at this point in the season


DJ looks to have a drinking problem so I hope he seeks help soon but from a football perpective nobody can convince me that Tony Sheffler's offense is far greater than what DJ did.

strafen
11-14-2010, 07:54 AM
Stop being ignorant. I'm not only asking you what other teams have done, I'm asking you if you even understand the process of it to begin with along with the other variables.

No one gives a **** what you want to be honest.

Great way of responding to my post with with no real ground other than your emotions talking instead of your brain.Ouch!

bowtown
11-14-2010, 08:00 AM
Precendent has been set for this type of action plain and simple

Three occasions now have been caterorized as "for conduct detrimental to the club ". Two have sat, one will play

So someone explain to me how the words "I wish the season would end" equates to a one game suspesnion but a repeat offense for DUI for a team capatain no less garners sitting for a series or two

Tells me that winning or possibly playing for your HC job supercedes character at this point in the season


DJ looks to have a drinking problem so I hope he seeks help soon but from a football perpective nobody can convince me that Tony Sheffler's offense is far greater than what DJ did.

Well to be fair, Scheffler was part of a benching that was requested by the vets, who felt "some people" weren't giving their all in practice or games and that there needed to be more accountability.

CEH
11-14-2010, 08:05 AM
Well to be fair, Scheffler was part of a benching that was requested by the vets, who felt "some people" weren't giving their all in practice or games and that there needed to be more accountability.

Exactly. Accountablity.

We can argue till the cows come home what accountablity is in terms of the Denver Broncos


Out at 2:30 am , driving drunk is all about accountability to self , community and your profession.

I really believe DJ has a problem which supercedes work but accountablity is accountablity.

Mediator12
11-14-2010, 08:32 AM
I realize people here want to have their ego's stroked over this, its the way of the Omane.

1. The CBA does not allow a team to suspend a player in their substance abuse program for a substance abuse violation. DJ entered that program in 2005 with his first DUI. DUI is a substance abuse violation under the CBA and MUST be handled under that program before a team can cut, release, or punish that player for an offense. So, first realize the ACTUAL situation before commenting without the facts.

2. DJ was punished for missing practice, not for DUI as per above.

3. Let this play out before being judge, jury, and executioner. DJ is like so many NFL players who get isolated and make poor decisions. They do not live where you live, and you have no idea what is behind this. You never know a man until you know his story.

4. I am not the biggest DJ supporter like Socal. However, I also am not going to condemn him for this. Yes, its reckless and stupid. He could have killed someone very easily. Yet, that is NOT what he set out to do. He set out to do something else completely and lost control.

The thing that bothers me is he knows what DUI is as he has done it before. I worry he lacks maturity and decision making skills like many NFL players. Some people realize this with the wakeup calls they get, others fight it like Marshall did. I will wait to see what DJ does in the aftermath of this.

baja
11-14-2010, 08:37 AM
I realize people here want to have their ego's stroked over this, its the way of the Omane.

1. The CBA does not allow a team to suspend a player in their substance abuse program for a substance abuse violation. DJ entered that program in 2005 with his first DUI. DUI is a substance abuse violation under the CBA and MUST be handled under that program before a team can cut, release, or punish that player for an offense. So, first realize the ACTUAL situation before commenting without the facts.

2. DJ was punished for missing practice, not for DUI as per above.

3. Let this play out before being judge, jury, and executioner. DJ is like so many NFL players who get isolated and make poor decisions. They do not live where you live, and you have no idea what is behind this. You never know a man until you know his story.

4. I am not the biggest DJ supporter like Socal. However, I also am not going to condemn him for this. Yes, its reckless and stupid. He could have killed someone very easily. Yet, that is NOT what he set out to do. He set out to do something else completely and lost control.

<b>The thing that bothers me is he knows what DUI is as he has done it before. I worry he lacks maturity and decision making skills like many NFL players. Some people realize this with the wakeup calls they get, others fight it like Marshall did. I will wait to see what DJ does in the aftermath of this.

There is the possibility that he is an alcoholic and if so reason & logic go out the window under the influence of this decision robbing disease.

CEH
11-14-2010, 08:41 AM
I realize people here want to have their ego's stroked over this, its the way of the Omane.

1. The CBA does not allow a team to suspend a player in their substance abuse program for a substance abuse violation. DJ entered that program in 2005 with his first DUI. DUI is a substance abuse violation under the CBA and MUST be handled under that program before a team can cut, release, or punish that player for an offense. So, first realize the ACTUAL situation before commenting without the facts.

2. DJ was punished for missing practice, not for DUI as per above.

3. Let this play out before being judge, jury, and executioner. DJ is like so many NFL players who get isolated and make poor decisions. They do not live where you live, and you have no idea what is behind this. You never know a man until you know his story.

4. I am not the biggest DJ supporter like Socal. However, I also am not going to condemn him for this. Yes, its reckless and stupid. He could have killed someone very easily. Yet, that is NOT what he set out to do. He set out to do something else completely and lost control.

The thing that bothers me is he knows what DUI is as he has done it before. I worry he lacks maturity and decision making skills like many NFL players. Some people realize this with the wakeup calls they get, others fight it like Marshall did. I will wait to see what DJ does in the aftermath of this.

Before you jump on me for my view, Dude I live around his neigborhood , my 8 and 6 year olds play in his neighborhood so yes it does effect me a little more if I know a Hummer is driving around with a drunk at the wheel.

HAT
11-14-2010, 08:42 AM
So someone explain to me how the words "I wish the season would end" equates to a one game suspesnion but a repeat offense for DUI for a team capatain no less garners sitting for a series or two



One is a 'crime' against & punishable by, the Denver Broncos.

One is a crime against & punishable by, society & the state of Colorado.
(With further punishment TBD by DJ's ultimate employer, the NFL)

The Broncos have no more reason to suspend DJ today than the state of Colorado had to arrest Scheffler.

Simple, no?

HAT
11-14-2010, 08:46 AM
Here's a hypothetical for those advocating a suspension.....

What if he was arrested stone cold sober for reckless driving...Say 135 MPH in a Porsche.

He still gets arrested, he still "could've killed someone", he still will have his day in court......1 game suspension or no?

yerner
11-14-2010, 08:49 AM
Before you jump on me for my view, Dude I live around his neigborhood , my 8 and 6 year olds play in his neighborhood so yes it does effect me a little more if I know a Hummer is driving around with a drunk at the wheel.

Why are your kids out in the street at 3 am?

baja
11-14-2010, 08:52 AM
Here's a hypothetical for those advocating a suspension.....

What if he was arrested stone cold sober for reckless driving...Say 135 MPH in a Porsche.

He still gets arrested, he still "could've killed someone", he still will have his day in court......1 game suspension or no?

Med has a good point in saying DJ was punished (not starting) for missing practice.

On the DUI and stripping DJ of his captain title the devil is in the details which we are not privy to.

bowtown
11-14-2010, 08:53 AM
Here's a hypothetical for those advocating a suspension.....

What if he was arrested stone cold sober for reckless driving...Say 135 MPH in a Porsche.

He still gets arrested, he still "could've killed someone", he still will have his day in court......1 game suspension or no?

Only if he was going 135 MPH because he was late to practice.

Jetmeck
11-14-2010, 08:54 AM
Go back and read my original post (#74)...I'm not saying at all that the NFL shouldn't take further action after due process.

Just as a CEO of a major corporation or a Congressman would (and should) face further measures from his shareholders or constituents. That doesn't mean the CEO shouldn't be at work on Monday morning if the company is fending off a hostile take-over or the Congressman should miss a key vote.

If his immediate employer (The Denver Broncos, not the NFL) wants to suspend him before due process, that's their prerogative I guess, but they shouldn't be required to (or even expected to, IMO).

It's a major blunder for the organization (Bowlen, McD, whoever) if DJ doesn't play in this game.

Holy cow, somebody here does have an ounce of common sense !!!!

HAT
11-14-2010, 08:59 AM
Holy cow, somebody here does have an ounce of common sense !!!!

So common sense to you dictates that anyone who spent Friday night in the tank on suspicion of DUI should not be allowed to work come Monday morning?

Interesting.

Jetmeck
11-14-2010, 09:01 AM
So common sense to you dictates that anyone who spent Friday night in the tank on suspicion of DUI should not be allowed to work come Monday morning?

Interesting.

I said what I meant. Realize a lot of sarcasm here, but I am one who says DJ plays and should not be cut or suspended at this point.
Don't know where you got the opposite impression from ?

HAT
11-14-2010, 09:16 AM
Oops...Sorry bro. I read that as "does NOT have an ounce of common sense"

DaFace
11-14-2010, 09:18 AM
Not that you guys will necessarily care, but as a Chiefs fan, my ideal situation would be for DJ to sit out the first play and then play the rest of the game. I think you are rolling the dice with regard to losing the locker room (even more?) by letting him play today, and in that sense, I think the long-term prospects for the Broncos drop just a little bit more if DJ plays.

Essentially, he's been fined (no more than you get fined for a helmet to helmet hit), stripped of a title that is really just a formality (some teams don't even have set captains), and he'll miss a little bit of a game. Wow. How harsh.

If that's all the punishment you get compared to the other BS McDaniels has benched guys for, the other players HAVE to be doing a little head scratching about what the rules are around there.

Also, I'll mention that I think the fact that it's a second offense changes things dramatically.

Yeah, yeah. Bash the opinion because I'm a Chiefs fan if you wish.

HAT
11-14-2010, 09:30 AM
Not that you guys will necessarily care, but as a Chiefs fan, my ideal situation would be for DJ to sit out the first play and then play the rest of the game. I think you are rolling the dice with regard to losing the locker room (even more?) by letting him play today, and in that sense, I think the long-term prospects for the Broncos drop just a little bit more if DJ plays.

Essentially, he's been fined (no more than you get fined for a helmet to helmet hit), stripped of a title that is really just a formality (some teams don't even have set captains), and he'll miss a little bit of a game. Wow. How harsh.

If that's all the punishment you get compared to the other BS McDaniels has benched guys for, the other players HAVE to be doing a little head scratching about what the rules are around there.

Also, I'll mention that I think the fact that it's a second offense changes things dramatically.

Yeah, yeah. Bash the opinion because I'm a Chiefs fan if you wish.

No, I'll bash the opinion because it's short sighted.

If he's proven guilty of DUI, he will likely serve jail time, get fined a bunch more, have to go to classes, lose his license, have his insurance go through the roof....Just like anyone else.

And then he will likely serve a 4 game suspension.

Popps
11-14-2010, 09:39 AM
How many of those other teams have operated like McDaniels has, benching two productive players (Marshall, Scheffler) for an entire game last season for offenses infinitely less serious than a DUI arrest? Then he shipped both players out of town over the offseason. Then he capped off Operation: Character by using a first round pick to draft the NFL's first admitted virgin.

If those are the rules he wants to play by, eyebrows are going to be raised and questions are going to be asked if a player gets arrested on Friday (particularly on a 2nd offense) and still plays on Sunday.

It has nothing to do with other teams and what they've done. It has everything to do with McDaniels and what he's done.


Like I said... the tinfoil hat crowd was eventually going to make this McDaniels' fault.

At least you people are predictable.


The Broncos are going to follow a very established pattern for dealing with this behavior, because it's a LEGAL issue and will involve authorities, the league office and the NFLPA.

This has nothing to do with Marshall being benched because he was a douche-bag, or us trading a ****ty QB for a bounty of draft picks.

Get real.

DaFace
11-14-2010, 09:39 AM
No, I'll bash the opinion because it's short sighted.

If he's proven guilty of DUI, he will likely serve jail time, get fined a bunch more, have to go to classes, lose his license, have his insurance go through the roof....Just like anyone else.

And then he will likely serve a 4 game suspension.

There are plenty of examples where conviction isn't a requirement for a suspension. Big Ben ring a bell? Hell, Larry Johnson was benched by the Chiefs last year just for using gay slurs in public. The Chiefs were in a similar situation as the Broncos - (supposed) key player making the team look bad in public while the team was severely struggling. The team had to make the choice between benching one of its best players or losing credibility. I guess the Chiefs were shortsighted though. After all, that decision has sure bit them in the ass.

As I've said, I'm on your side. I HOPE he plays today. I guess we'll see who's right about what the decision does to the team. :)

Rausch 2.0
11-14-2010, 09:45 AM
I'm cool with this.

Ditto...

Natedogg
11-14-2010, 10:04 AM
Why are your kids out in the street at 3 am?

http://www.boingboing.net/2010/11/12/stumping.jpg

cutthemdown
11-14-2010, 10:19 AM
So common sense to you dictates that anyone who spent Friday night in the tank on suspicion of DUI should not be allowed to work come Monday morning?

Interesting.

Only in high profile professions where PR is important. What's so hard to understand about the differences between a pro athlete getting paid millions to represent a team and some guy who buses tables or works in an office.

That guy can work after getting busted and the firm or biz doesn't face a PR nightmare. A high profile guy like DJ has kids looking up to him and is a totally different situation.

Some of the analogies people make about this situation are very funny.

HAT
11-14-2010, 10:35 AM
Only in high profile professions where PR is important. What's so hard to understand about the differences between a pro athlete getting paid millions to represent a team and some guy who buses tables or works in an office.

That guy can work after getting busted and the firm or biz doesn't face a PR nightmare. A high profile guy like DJ has kids looking up to him and is a totally different situation.

Some of the analogies people make about this situation are very funny.

See post #86.

CEO/Congressman gets back to work. Are you arguing that a dopey football player is a higher profile profession where PR is more important than running the country or a gazillion dollar multinational corporation?

Interesting.

Ray Finkle
11-17-2010, 08:27 AM
Before you jump on me for my view, Dude I live around his neigborhood , my 8 and 6 year olds play in his neighborhood so yes it does effect me a little more if I know a Hummer is driving around with a drunk at the wheel.

does he give out good halloween candy?

Smiling Assassin27
11-17-2010, 08:40 AM
does he give out good halloween candy?


kid size, parent approved:

http://thumbs3.ebaystatic.com/pict/260692002018_2.jpg

mkporter
11-17-2010, 10:39 AM
1. The CBA does not allow a team to suspend a player in their substance abuse program for a substance abuse violation. DJ entered that program in 2005 with his first DUI. DUI is a substance abuse violation under the CBA and MUST be handled under that program before a team can cut, release, or punish that player for an offense. So, first realize the ACTUAL situation before commenting without the facts.

2. DJ was punished for missing practice, not for DUI as per above.



Excellent and very relevant points.