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Rulon Velvet Jones
11-10-2010, 03:54 PM
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2011/insider/news/story?id=5783980


Buffalo Bills

Record: 0-8
Andrew Luck*, QB, Stanford

Luck is the complete package. He would quickly provide Buffalo with the most efficient quarterback play it has seen since the Jim Kelly era.
Carolina Panthers

Record: 1-7
Marcell Dareus*, DT, Alabama

The Panthers once-vaunted defensive front seven is a mess. The good news is that Dareus is one of several defensive linemen worthy of top-20 consideration in this year's draft.

Dallas Cowboys

Record: 1-7
Da'Quan Bowers*, DE, Clemson

Marcus Spears might not be long for Dallas but the Cowboys need to figure out their defensive scheme before locking in their personnel. However, Bowers is a stud and can fit in any defensive scheme. He leads the FBS in sacks and is blessed with a rare combination of size and athleticism.

San Francisco 49ers

Record: 2-6
Patrick Peterson*, CB, LSU

Peterson is the closest thing you will find to a shutdown cover corner in college football. He's also shown remarkable return skills in 2010 in his first year on the job.

Denver Broncos

Record: 2-6
Prince Amukamara, CB, Nebraska

Denver needs a stud defensive lineman more than it needs a cornerback but Amukamara is more talented than any available prospect who would fit the team's three-man front. Champ Bailey's days with the Broncos could be numbered so bringing in a young talent like Amukamara would make sense.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
11-10-2010, 03:57 PM
Christ. Can we change the name of the team to the Denver CBs? We'll have 90 on the ****ing roster.

Bronco Boy
11-10-2010, 04:00 PM
Dareus is a beast. Prince is pretty good though, I've been more impressed with him than Peterson.

rbackfactory80
11-10-2010, 04:01 PM
I know its been said for the last decade but you can't ignore the front seven for one more year. This year we need someone for the line in the first and if we draft Amukamara we better be able to find a big fatty to man the front of this defense through free agency or trade.

Popps
11-10-2010, 04:09 PM
Lot of DL in that top 10. That's a good thing. Hoping we'll get nice value on a DT wherever we pick.

strafen
11-10-2010, 04:12 PM
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2011/insider/news/story?id=5783980


Buffalo Bills

Record: 0-8
Andrew Luck*, QB, Stanford

Luck is the complete package. He would quickly provide Buffalo with the most efficient quarterback play it has seen since the Jim Kelly era.
Carolina Panthers

Record: 1-7
Marcell Dareus*, DT, Alabama

The Panthers once-vaunted defensive front seven is a mess. The good news is that Dareus is one of several defensive linemen worthy of top-20 consideration in this year's draft.

Dallas Cowboys

Record: 1-7
Da'Quan Bowers*, DE, Clemson

Marcus Spears might not be long for Dallas but the Cowboys need to figure out their defensive scheme before locking in their personnel. However, Bowers is a stud and can fit in any defensive scheme. He leads the FBS in sacks and is blessed with a rare combination of size and athleticism.

San Francisco 49ers

Record: 2-6
Patrick Peterson*, CB, LSU

Peterson is the closest thing you will find to a shutdown cover corner in college football. He's also shown remarkable return skills in 2010 in his first year on the job.

Denver Broncos

Record: 2-6
Prince Amukamara, CB, Nebraska

Denver needs a stud defensive lineman more than it needs a cornerback but Amukamara is more talented than any available prospect who would fit the team's three-man front. Champ Bailey's days with the Broncos could be numbered so bringing in a young talent like Amukamara would make sense.
That right there, is all you need to know to rest assured we won't be drafting this guy...

NFLBRONCO
11-10-2010, 04:14 PM
WTF no WR or RB

Hercules Rockefeller
11-10-2010, 04:19 PM
Saw this posted elsewhere, the draft order isn't even right. Should go Det-Den-Cin, not Den-Cin-Det as he has it.

Broncos_OTM
11-10-2010, 04:21 PM
D line dline dline. Mcd if you do not draft heavy front seven this spring i am gonna come to dove valkey and kick your ass. Ok i am kidding about the as kicking. But i will be the biggest troll the orangemane has ever seen. Arrrrrr me mateys you lads may be screwed

Dr. Broncenstein
11-10-2010, 04:30 PM
We'll be taking a quarterback for the lulz.

enjolras
11-10-2010, 04:39 PM
Isn't Ryan Mallet expected to come out this year? I would expect either San Francisco or the Panthers would be pretty interested in him.

WolfpackGuy
11-10-2010, 04:51 PM
I'll be shocked/disappointed if they don't pick someone about 2 rounds higher than they should go.

That is if they're not out on the bread line at the end of the year.

spdirty
11-10-2010, 04:57 PM
My head will explode if we go anything other than dline.

elsid13
11-10-2010, 04:58 PM
Isn't Ryan Mallet expected to come out this year? I would expect either San Francisco or the Panthers would be pretty interested in him.

He a redshirt JR so it still up in the air. I expect if there is no CBA he stay in

cabronco
11-10-2010, 05:10 PM
If the Broncos continue to suck , and a premier d-line mauler is not there to draft, move back in the draft then get a couple stud d-line guys. Pleez make it happen !!

epicSocialism4tw
11-10-2010, 05:39 PM
My head will explode if we go anything other than dline.

NT, DE, MLB, SS, TE.

Those are the positions we need to fill with talent.

I'm going to go ahead and make the prediction here: McD will select a TE with a first round pick. If he has to trade back to do so, he will.

strafen
11-10-2010, 05:48 PM
NT, DE, MLB, SS, TE.

Those are the positions we need to fill with talent.

I'm going to go ahead and make the prediction here: McD will select a TE with a first round pick. If he has to trade back to do so, he will.Those, with the exception of a TE, were the same needs we've had when McDaniels took over. Two draft, later we still need a NT, DE, MLB, SS and now a TE which we've gone thru 3 at least trying to find a replacement for Scheffler...

bap454
11-10-2010, 05:57 PM
can anyone post the full list ...dont have a perscription. Would like to see a list of players to watch.

Beantown Bronco
11-10-2010, 06:17 PM
My head will explode if we go anything other than dline.

Hopefully after a trade down. Any 3-4 DLinemen picked in the top 5 or so picks better be the next Haloti Ngata or there's no justification for it IMO. And I don't see any Ngata's in this draft.

WABronco
11-10-2010, 06:26 PM
Look at it this way...WE NEED HELP, PERIOD.

yerner
11-10-2010, 06:27 PM
Andrew Luck or bust. He is going to set a team up for the next 15 years.

Dedhed
11-10-2010, 06:38 PM
D line dline dline. Mcd if you do not draft heavy front seven this spring i am gonna come to dove valkey and kick your ass. Ok i am kidding about the as kicking. But i will be the biggest troll the orangemane has ever seen. Arrrrrr me mateys you lads may be screwed

Drafting DL early is highly overrated. Look at the Steelers front if you want proof.

Finger Roll
11-10-2010, 06:44 PM
Corner will be a big need soon and Prince is probably the best player left on the board. Champ and Goodman are getting old and may not be coming back.

strafen
11-10-2010, 06:46 PM
Drafting DL early is highly overrated. Look at the Steelers front if you want proof.

I wouldn't say overrated.
You may see one or two DL in the top ten. They're usually pretty good prospects when they're ranked that high.
If we manage to get a high pick, we could land a blue chip...

WolfpackGuy
11-10-2010, 06:49 PM
I wouldn't say overrated.
You may see one or two DL in the top ten. They're usually pretty good prospects when they're ranked that high.
If we manage to get a high pick, we could land a blue chip...

Or land a 4th round pick and a half eaten sandwich in a trade

strafen
11-10-2010, 06:53 PM
Or land a 4th round pick and a half eaten sandwich in a tradeSo far we've dealt in the first round. The 2009 draft dealings were atrocious.
We're still behind the 8-Ball all around.
The 2010 draft also didn't net much help on the defensive front, as more wheeling and dealings in the 1st round took place...

Dedhed
11-10-2010, 07:00 PM
I wouldn't say overrated.
You may see one or two DL in the top ten. They're usually pretty good prospects when they're ranked that high.
If we manage to get a high pick, we could land a blue chip...

Possible, but I would much rather look for a top tier MLB prospect if we're in the top 10. Far more likely to avoid an utter bust.

Top tier college DL are usually fat. Never trust that a fat man won't get lazy when you give him enough money to buy a lifetime membership in the steak of the month club.

Dedhed
11-10-2010, 07:06 PM
Or land a 4th round pick and a half eaten sandwich in a trade

Yeah, because I would hate to apply McDaniels trade strategy and be the Patriots heading into this draft.

strafen
11-10-2010, 07:07 PM
Possible, but I would much rather look for a top tier MLB prospect if we're in the top 10. Far more likely to avoid an utter bust.

Top tier college DL are usually fat. Never trust that a fat man won't get lazy when you give him enough money to buy a lifetime membership in the steak of the month club.

Yeah, either a DL or a LB would do, but we need to get something...

Pony Boy
11-10-2010, 07:09 PM
Trade down and stock pile will be the plan

epicSocialism4tw
11-10-2010, 07:14 PM
Trade down and stock pile will be the plan

Tebow has several siblings, doesnt he?

We do have a high first rounder and there's the possiblity that the Jaguars or Bills will want their own Tebow. McD could slide in there when they least expect it.

WABronco
11-10-2010, 07:21 PM
Drafting DL early is highly overrated. Look at the Steelers front if you want proof.

They've had the same crew for 10 years, basically. Not really proof of anything, other than good players make for good results.

gyldenlove
11-10-2010, 07:33 PM
Tebow has several siblings, doesnt he?

We do have a high first rounder and there's the possiblity that the Jaguars or Bills will want their own Tebow. McD could slide in there when they least expect it.

Apparently he has been sexually harassing some dude in a gas station in Florida, I don't think we can keep Tebow - or something.

Requiem
11-10-2010, 07:34 PM
Other than a few positions on the team, we could use an upgrade anywhere. I want defensive line, but he is a fantastic player. Hopefully Miami blows a gasket and that second rounder for Marshall gets even better. It would be dope to have three picks in the top 40.

Dedhed
11-10-2010, 07:36 PM
They've had the same crew for 10 years, basically. Not really proof of anything, other than good players make for good results.

They've had a top DL for more than a decade, and the only starting DL they've taken in the first round over the last 20 years is Casey Hampton, in 2001.

Dedhed
11-10-2010, 07:37 PM
I want defensive line, but he is a fantastic player.
What?

Requiem
11-10-2010, 07:38 PM
Prince, he is a fantastic player.

Pony Boy
11-10-2010, 07:45 PM
A 2011 Mock Draft with no mention of Cam Newton in the top 5 makes me go hummmmm...........

Kid A
11-10-2010, 07:51 PM
Prince, he is a fantastic player.

Yes he is. Blackmon from Oklahoma St got the better of him a few times (we'll probably get to see a rematch of that ridiculous shootout in the Big XII title game), but otherwise he's been thrown at about 2 times all season. Have a hard time seeing us investing a top 5 pick on CB, though.

Requiem
11-10-2010, 07:52 PM
Feel the same way.

I really hope we just take the best DL available. This draft is filled with them. I don't know if we'll be able to move down, but maybe Josh can get crafty with Billy Boy and trade back and acquire some of the epic pick arsenal they have.

Praying that we do not **** this up.

WABronco
11-10-2010, 08:03 PM
They've had a top DL for more than a decade, and the only starting DL they've taken in the first round over the last 20 years is Casey Hampton, in 2001.

Ziggy Hood.

At any rate, I don't think we're in a position to be relying on developing project players. We need good players, first off--not 4th round starters thrown into the fire because our veteran holdovers are garbage.

TheProfessor
11-10-2010, 08:43 PM
Does anyone really trust this group with a top 5 pick, let alone 3 picks in the first 2 rounds?

Over the last 2 years we've watched them draft 10 players in the first 3 rounds, and as much as I keep hoping for the best- this is the worst team I have seen in a very long time.

2009-2010 picks rounds 1-3
Knowshon Moreno- been injured but shows flashes
Robert Ayers- injured but looks like a player
Alphonso Smith- traded
Darcel McBath-perpetually injured
Richard Quinn-crap
Demaryius Thomas- rookie/injured/shows flashes
Tim Tebow- maybe 2011 or 2012...maybe
Zane Beadles- So far eh, but he has been moved all over
J.D. Walton- Having a brutal rookie year
Eric Decker- mostly special teams

I don't know about everyone else but that list combined with this years results doesn't instill much in the way of confidence. We will see what he does the rest of the year, but unless there is significant improvement, I think it is time for someone else to make these picks.

Bronco Boy
11-10-2010, 09:22 PM
Does anyone really trust this group with a top 5 pick, let alone 3 picks in the first 2 rounds?

Over the last 2 years we've watched them draft 10 players in the first 3 rounds, and as much as I keep hoping for the best- this is the worst team I have seen in a very long time.

2009-2010 picks rounds 1-3
Knowshon Moreno- been injured but shows flashes
Robert Ayers- injured but looks like a player
Alphonso Smith- traded
Darcel McBath-perpetually injured
Richard Quinn-crap
Demaryius Thomas- rookie/injured/shows flashes
Tim Tebow- maybe 2011 or 2012...maybe
Zane Beadles- So far eh, but he has been moved all over
J.D. Walton- Having a brutal rookie year
Eric Decker- mostly special teams

I don't know about everyone else but that list combined with this years results doesn't instill much in the way of confidence. We will see what he does the rest of the year, but unless there is significant improvement, I think it is time for someone else to make these picks.


Because less than 2 seasons is plenty of time to judge draft classes.

epicSocialism4tw
11-10-2010, 09:27 PM
Because less than 2 seasons is plenty of time to judge draft classes.

When the team sucks this bad, expect people to judge harshly. Thats just the way it is.

Dedhed
11-10-2010, 09:27 PM
Ziggy Hood.

I said starters.

Dedhed
11-10-2010, 09:28 PM
Prince, he is a fantastic player.

Gotcha, and agree.

Rulon Velvet Jones
11-11-2010, 07:16 AM
Here's the full:


Buffalo Bills

Record: 0-8
Andrew Luck*, QB, Stanford

Luck is the complete package. He would quickly provide Buffalo with the most efficient quarterback play it has seen since the Jim Kelly era.
Carolina Panthers

Record: 1-7
Marcell Dareus*, DT, Alabama

The Panthers once-vaunted defensive front seven is a mess. The good news is that Dareus is one of several defensive linemen worthy of top-20 consideration in this year's draft.
Dallas Cowboys

Record: 1-7
Da'Quan Bowers*, DE, Clemson

Marcus Spears might not be long for Dallas but the Cowboys need to figure out their defensive scheme before locking in their personnel. However, Bowers is a stud and can fit in any defensive scheme. He leads the FBS in sacks and is blessed with a rare combination of size and athleticism.
San Francisco 49ers

Record: 2-6
Patrick Peterson*, CB, LSU

Peterson is the closest thing you will find to a shutdown cover corner in college football. He's also shown remarkable return skills in 2010 in his first year on the job.
Denver Broncos

Record: 2-6
Prince Amukamara, CB, Nebraska

Denver needs a stud defensive lineman more than it needs a cornerback but Amukamara is more talented than any available prospect who would fit the team's three-man front. Champ Bailey's days with the Broncos could be numbered so bringing in a young talent like Amukamara would make sense.
Cincinnati Bengals

Record: 2-6
Robert Quinn*, DE, North Carolina

Quinn is a naturally gifted pass-rusher with an enormously high ceiling but he will enter the NFL having not played football in more than a year. The Bengals have never shied away from risk, though, so why start now?
Detroit Lions

Record: 2-6
Adrian Clayborn, DE, Iowa

This might be a bit high for Clayborn, but the top two cornerbacks (Peterson and Amukamara) are off the board and it's never a bad idea to stockpile young talent along the defensive front.
Minnesota Vikings

Record: 3-5
Jake Locker, QB, Washington

Tough call here. Locker's stock is clearly dropping but it will ascend again between now and April. A quarterback with his natural tools, work ethic and competitiveness rarely lasts beyond the top 20 picks. If it's not the Vikings who pull the trigger, the Cardinals and Jaguars are the next two quarterback-needy teams in line.
Arizona Cardinals

Record: 3-5
Nate Solder, OT, Colorado

The Cardinals could be gun shy about spending first-round money on a quarterback so soon after the Matt Leinart debacle. If Luck and Locker are off the board, it would be a no-brainer to look in a different direction. Solder is the most complete talent in a pedestrian group of 2011 offensive line prospects.
Cleveland Browns

Record: 3-5
A.J. Green*, WR, Georgia

The Browns have needs along the defensive front but at this spot they cannot pass up on the most complete wide receiver prospect to enter the NFL draft since Calvin Johnson (Lions).

San Diego Chargers

Record: 4-5
Akeem Ayers*, OLB, UCLA

Ayers is a great fit as an outside linebacker in the Chargers' 3-4 scheme. He's not quite a young Shawne Merriman but he's a talented pass-rusher nonetheless.
Jacksonville Jaguars

Record: 4-4
Ryan Mallett*, QB, Arkansas

Taking Mallett here would be too rich for my blood, but the Jaguars are in dire need of an upgrade at quarterback and Mallett's riffle arm will be pretty tempting.
St. Louis Rams

Record: 4-4
Stephen Paea, D, Oregon State

There is not another receiver worth drafting in the top 25 picks, so the Rams can use this pick to continue rebuilding the defense. Paea's nonstop motor, quickness and power would fit nicely along one of the league's most improved defensive fronts.
Seattle Seahawks

Record: 4-4
Anthony Castonzo, OT, Boston College

There's no Eric Berry- or Earl Thomas-like safety prospect in the 2011 class, so the Seahawks might need to settle for one of the top offensive linemen. Castonzo is a good athlete for a player with his long frame and he continues to add bulk and strength.
Washington Redskins

Record: 4-4
Janoris Jenkins*, CB, Florida

There's no wide receiver or quarterback worth drafting at this spot. Running back is another need area, but do not expect a Mike Shanahan-coached squad to use a first-round pick on one. Jenkins is the most underrated defensive back in the 2011 draft and his smooth cover skills and ball-hawking ability would be welcome additions to the Redskins' secondary.
Houston Texans

Record: 4-4
Allen Bailey, DE, Miami

It's entirely too early to press the panic button on 2010 first-round CB Kareem Jackson, but the Texans still wouldn't mind seeing Jenkins fall this far. With him off the board, why not take the best available talent on the board? Bailey's versatility and interior pass-rushing skills could help Houston's underachieving defensive line finally turn the corner.
Miami Dolphins

Record: 4-4
Mark Ingram*, RB, Alabama

It's never easy pulling the trigger on a running back in Round 1, but given Ronnie Brown's struggles and Ricky Williams' age -- and the fact that both hit free agency after this season -- the Dolphins would have to consider Ingram in this scenario.
New England Patriots (via 5-4 Oakland)

Record: 6-2
Ryan Kerrigan, DE, Purdue

Kerrigan is probably higher on our board than on most others, but very few players with his toughness, pass-rushing savvy, nonstop motor and passion for the game fail to contribute in the NFL. Something tells us coach Bill Belichick would find a place for him to fit.
Chicago Bears

Record: 5-3
Gabe Carimi, OT, Wisconsin

Julio Jones might be the popular pick here, but it's too early to draft a second-tier wide receiver prospect. The Bears would be better served to draft a right tackle who can help keep QB Jay Cutler upright.
Kansas City Chiefs

Record: 5-3
Jeremy Beal, OLB, Oklahoma

The Chiefs need a legitimate edge rusher and Beal has the type of size and versatility that they look for in an outside linebacker.
Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Record:5-3
Von Miller, OLB, Texas A&M

Miller has a freakish combination of size, speed and athletic ability. Strongside linebacker in a 4-3 defense could be the right fit for him. Regardless, Miller can get after the quarterback and the Bucs are in the market for that exact skill.
Tennessee Titans

Record: 5-3
Aaron Williams*, CB, Texas

Williams is one of many talented underclass cornerbacks who could be jockeying for position in the bottom half of the first round. His instincts in coverage and his experience playing both inside and outside will only help his cause.
Philadelphia Eagles

Record: 5-3
Derek Sherrod, OT, Mississippi State

Sherrod is a big and strong right tackle prospect who could also move inside to guard in the NFL. His feet and consistency in pass pro are still works in progress.
Indianapolis Colts

Record: 5-3
Nick Fairley*, DT, Auburn

No player in the country has improved his stock more this season than Fairley. He is a bit light in the lower body but that doesn't bother the Colts, who are far more focused on his explosive first step and relentlessness as a pass-rusher.
Green Bay Packers**

Record: 6-3
Cameron Heyward, DE, Ohio State

Some teams view Heyward as a good fit at the five-technique in a three-man front. Others think he's best suited to play a three-technique for a Tampa 2 style defense. He has the natural ability to warrant Round 1 consideration but it will be interesting to see which team likes him enough in their scheme to pull the trigger.
New Orleans Saints**

Record: 6-3
Drake Nevis, DT, LSU

Nevis struggles to get off of blocks, which ultimately could prevent him from being a first-round pick. However, few defensive tackles in the country have his first-step quickness and ability to disrupt plays in the opposing backfield.
New York Giants

Record: 6-2
Demarcus Love, OT, Arkansas

The Giants are looking for the toughest, most NFL-ready offensive lineman available at their spot and Love fits the description.
New England Patrtiots

Record: 6-2
Cameron Jordan, DE, California

Jordan is a perfect fit as a five-technique in a three-man front and has experience playing that role. He's not as quick as former college teammate Tyson Alualu, but Jordan is a good athlete for his size and he can anchor versus the run.
New York Jets

Record: 6-2
Julio Jones*, WR, Alabama

Receiver is not a top priority at the moment, but Braylon Edwards, Santonio Holmes and Brad Smith are all free agents after this season. Providing QB Mark Sanchez with a young weapon like Jones would be a difficult decision to dispute.
Baltimore Ravens

Record: 6-2
Rahim Moore*, S, UCLA

If Moore elects to leave school early, he could be the top safety off the board. While he's not an elite talent like Berry or Thomas, Moore does have excellent range and ball skills in deep-zone coverage. The time has come for the Ravens to plan for life after Ed Reed.
Atlanta Falcons

Record: 6-2
Brandon Burton, CB, Utah

Burton is an under-the-radar cover corner who is rumored to be eyeing the 2011 NFL draft. Burton will be competing with the likes of Williams, Virginia's Ras-I Dowling, Miami's Brandon Harris and Texas' Curtis Brown for a few spots near the bottom of the first round.
Pittsburgh Steelers

Record: 6-2
Mike Pouncey, G, Florida

The Pouncey twins won a national title together at Florida, so who says they can't win a Super Bowl together in Pittsburgh? Mike has a similar skill set to that of his brother Maurkice, a 2010 first-rounder who is currently the starting center for the Steelers.

*Indicates draft-eligible underclassmen
**Indicates picks that would be decided by coin flip

Jesterhole
11-11-2010, 07:22 AM
Drafting another corner would really make me sick, despite the Bailey situation. If we don't go heavy OL/DL in the draft and start rebuilding this team the right way, I'm going to write a strongly worded letter to the FO.

But we'll probably go TE in the first, then pick up two wideouts, a DB and a long snapper to round out the first day.

ND Bronco Fan
11-11-2010, 07:38 AM
Hypothetical of course but.............Obviously the 2011 draft order is set off the records from this season but..........

What happens if there is a lockout and no season in 2011........how does the draft order get set for 2012?

rugbythug
11-11-2010, 07:40 AM
This team has few 28-30 year olds that is the real problem. Really old really young and then medicore

oubronco
11-11-2010, 08:21 AM
If McD takes another corner in the first round and ignores the D-line


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Beantown Bronco
11-11-2010, 09:10 AM
I wouldn't be opposed to another repeat of last year, where we traded back and forth a few times and managed to get two first rounders. If they could manage to do that and snag two guys like Paea and Heyward, that could go a long way toward bolstering the DLine.

jhns
11-11-2010, 09:16 AM
I have a question about the draft that I haven't been able to find the answer to. If there is a lockout, does the draft order stay the same for the next two drafts? If not, how do they determine the draft order after the lockout?

Hercules Rockefeller
11-11-2010, 09:26 AM
I have a question about the draft that I haven't been able to find the answer to. If there is a lockout, does the draft order stay the same for the next two drafts? If not, how do they determine the draft order after the lockout?

I haven't seen anything out there about what they'll do if they lose the entire season. I'm assuming that's a bridge they'll cross when they come to it, and something they don't really want to think about because of what it implies.

elsid13
11-11-2010, 09:27 AM
I have a question about the draft that I haven't been able to find the answer to. If there is a lockout, does the draft order stay the same for the next two drafts? If not, how do they determine the draft order after the lockout?


It hasn't been decide yet. I would not be surprise if they use weighted system to randomly assign slots in draft after the lockout.

Rohirrim
11-11-2010, 09:30 AM
Luck is the best QB to come out of college since Payton Manning. The Broncos should do whatever it takes to get him.

jhns
11-11-2010, 09:36 AM
I haven't seen anything out there about what they'll do if they lose the entire season. I'm assuming that's a bridge they'll cross when they come to it, and something they don't really want to think about because of what it implies.

It hasn't been decide yet. I would not be surprise if they use weighted system to randomly assign slots in draft after the lockout.

That makes sense. No wonder I couldn't find it. It will be interesting to see what they decide. There will probably be a lot of pissed off teams no matter how they do it. Really I just hope we don't get to find out.

elsid13
11-11-2010, 09:38 AM
Luck is the best QB to come out of college since Payton Manning. The Broncos should do whatever it takes to get him.

I agree Luck is darn fine QB, but I doubt we see the Broncos aggressively go get him. We stuck with Tebow for better or worse now.

Rohirrim
11-11-2010, 09:41 AM
I agree Luck is darn fine QB, but I doubt we see the Broncos aggressively go get him. We stuck with Tebow for better or worse now.

And that will set this franchise back another five years.

Cool Breeze
11-11-2010, 11:09 AM
can anyone post the full list ...dont have a perscription. Would like to see a list of players to watch.

Your need of a perscription will come after they've made their picks...
On a side note, I am so envious of teams with stout d-lines and I'm tired of us not having one - please make it happen coach! :pray:

Bigdawg26
11-11-2010, 11:16 AM
Geezz a mock draft already? Just watch how much this "mock draft" is going to change in 6 months!!

Cool Breeze
11-11-2010, 11:19 AM
I wouldn't be opposed to another repeat of last year, where we traded back and forth a few times and managed to get two first rounders. If they could manage to do that and snag two guys like Paea and Heyward, that could go a long way toward bolstering the DLine.

Hell to the yes!

yerner
11-11-2010, 11:34 AM
Luck is the best QB to come out of college since Payton Manning. The Broncos should do whatever it takes to get him.

Yep.

NFLBRONCO
11-11-2010, 12:47 PM
DL or QB are my top choices with #1 pick. Since QB is unlikely DL is the way I'd like to go. I do see CB as high priority though and would not shock me if Josh drafted one with top pick.

Is their any LB in this draft worth a top 10 pick this year?

Br0nc0Buster
11-11-2010, 01:02 PM
Prince is a good player, I would be fine with that pick

unlike the majority of people on here I think your top pick should be best player available

now there a quite a bit of talented linemen to choose from, but just drafting a DL for the sake of drafting one is not the best investment for a first rounder

NFLBRONCO
11-11-2010, 01:11 PM
Prince is a good player, I would be fine with that pick

unlike the majority of people on here I think your top pick should be best player available

now there a quite a bit of talented linemen to choose from, but just drafting a DL for the sake of drafting one is not the best investment for a first rounder

If you were drafting for Denver who would your top 3 players you'd want?

I agree BPA in top 10 period. I just hope BPA is DE :)

Br0nc0Buster
11-11-2010, 01:42 PM
If you were drafting for Denver who would your top 3 players you'd want?

I agree BPA in top 10 period. I just hope BPA is DE :)

well not that I am any sort of draft expert, but Dareous would be my top choice if we end up in the top 10

after that though I like Peterson from LSU and Prince from Nebraska

but I would prefer us to trade down
I think we could get a 3rd rounder and still get a very good player at a better position of need like a Clayborn, Fairley, or a Heyward in the early and mid teens

I was mainly just contending the idea that we HAVE to draft a DL if someone like Prince or Peterson is still on the board

gtown
11-11-2010, 02:16 PM
well not that I am any sort of draft expert, but Dareous would be my top choice if we end up in the top 10

after that though I like Peterson from LSU and Prince from Nebraska

but I would prefer us to trade down
I think we could get a 3rd rounder and still get a very good player at a better position of need like a Clayborn, Fairley, or a Heyward in the early and mid teens

I was mainly just contending the idea that we HAVE to draft a DL if someone like Prince or Peterson is still on the board

As long as we are in line for a generational talent I am good. If football is gone next year, we better trade down to take advantage of the enlarged talent pool. If not, I would hope we would draft DL heavy in this draft. Dareus is a beast who is already versatile enough to play multiple fronts.

KipCorrington25
11-11-2010, 08:54 PM
We'll trade back, got to keep the pay roll down you know.

MrPeepers
11-11-2010, 09:22 PM
were drafting tebows pastor

ton80
11-12-2010, 12:57 AM
I don't want anyone named ****in' Prince on this team unless he's a d-line man that rapes QB's. But a DB... No Way, No ****in' way.

KevinJames
11-12-2010, 04:38 AM
While Prince is a heck of a player I think I would rather us draft Patrick Peterson I think he could be a once in a decade CB and if were going to draft a CB we can't go wrong there. Could you imagine Peterson and Cox tandem for the future :yayaya:

elsid13
11-12-2010, 05:22 AM
While Prince is a heck of a player I think I would rather us draft Patrick Peterson I think he could be a once in a decade CB and if were going to draft a CB we can't go wrong there. Could you imagine Peterson and Cox tandem for the future :yayaya:

It will be exciting sight watching them chase down running backs that blown through the front seven.

TheReverend
11-12-2010, 05:40 AM
Christ. Can we change the name of the team to the Denver CBs? We'll have 90 on the ****ing roster.

And this would make 3 that can play.

WolfpackGuy
11-12-2010, 06:08 AM
You don't build defenses back to front.

Didn't we learn anything from Shanahan?

TheChamp24
11-12-2010, 06:44 AM
Are people seriously saying we should bypass two of the best CB prospects in years? I wouldn't be happy about not addressing the DL, but Prince or Peterson > any DL prospect for next year.
However, maybe the best bet would be to trade back and get Heyward because I don't think he'll go early, pick up an extra 2nd round pick, and if someone falls to the end of round 1 we could package 2 2nd rounders to get back in the 1st and take someone.

Also, I highly doubt a lot of underclassmen leave early with the uncertainty of playing next year. I highly doubt Luck leaves if there is no agreement by January.

rmsanger
11-12-2010, 06:49 AM
I could care less about our draft and almost even care less about watching the rest of our season... Just demoralized!

Gray clowds on our horizon until we stop the blood letting of the talent pool for system guys.

Br0nc0Buster
11-12-2010, 08:06 AM
You don't build defenses back to front.

Didn't we learn anything from Shanahan?

Shanahan couldnt build a defense from any direction

Some of us realize the big picture, that an elite player over the course of his career will provide more benefits to this team than a player drafted to fill a hole in the depth chart

NFLBRONCO
11-12-2010, 08:52 AM
Shanahan couldnt build a defense from any direction

Some of us realize the big picture, that an elite player over the course of his career will provide more benefits to this team than a player drafted to fill a hole in the depth chart

Agree 100% on drafting elite player first. If Champ moves on you can bet CB moves high on draft board. Imo CB might be the position that has best talent at our pick. The top DE might be gone.

Denver724
11-12-2010, 09:31 AM
I wanted to post this to a new thread, but I have not been able to post new threads in months. Nobody can help resolve so here it is.


A 2010 draft progress report
<hr noshade="noshade" size="1" width="100%"> By Mel Kiper
ESPN Insider

<table align="right" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td rowspan="2" width="5">
</td><td width="576">http://proxy.espn.go.com/photo/2010/1109/nfl_u_mccourty-mcclain_bipanel_576.jpg</td></tr><tr><td width="576">Devin McCourty and Rolando McClain have stepped in and immediately contributed this season.</td></tr></tbody></table> How has the draft affected the current season? Mel Kiper takes a look.
Let's get this out of the way right now: These aren't grades, mandates, final conclusions or a line in the sand. We're halfway through NFL season, so let's call it a progress report. I was asked to pick out a handful of teams that have been successful in finding early value by implementing their draft picks from April into their personnel mix. I was also asked to pick out a handful of teams that simply haven't found much value yet.
From the top of the draft (St. Louis and Detroit) to teams that picked later and did a lot of their best work in the middle rounds -- such as Oakland or New England -- there are good stories. But a quick caveat: It goes without saying that teams who drafted earlier had an edge because they got a higher-rated player in many cases and simply had more holes to fill. Sam Bradford (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13197) is starting, but consider the alternatives. (He didn't beat out Tom Brady (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=2330) ...). Secondly, because you haven't gotten much from the draft early doesn't mean you didn't have a good draft. An example is Pittsburgh, which did well grabbing the fantastic Maurkice Pouncey (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13250) and added depth elsewhere, but if your roster was already deep it's hard to see early dividends.
Hot starts

New England Patriots (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/ne/new-england-patriots)
The Pats deserve special props because they've implemented guys early, and they've done it while winning football games. That's not easy. But look at this draft. They hit needs and got value everywhere. Devin McCourty (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13236) is starting, TE tandem Rob Gronkowski (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13229) and Aaron Hernandez (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13230) haven't just helped Tom Brady they've helped shift the entire offensive philosophy it seems -- just ask Randy Moss (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=1433). On defense, the picks of Jermaine Cunningham (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13269) and Brandon Spikes (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13298) are solid, as both have contributed positively. Even Zoltan Mesko (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13421) in Round 5 has proven to be a solid pick, and considering what the Patriots have done to set themselves up for the next draft, it's a pretty remarkable stretch.
Kansas City Chiefs (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/kc/kansas-city-chiefs)
The Chiefs figured to do well, given a high slot and so many holes, but even past the solid early dividends from the Eric Berry (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13252), Dexter McCluster (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13207) and Javier Arenas (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13259) picks, getting Tony Moeaki (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13289) at No. 93 overall looks like a steal. He already has 30 catches and should be a cornerstone in that offense.
Oakland Raiders (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/oak/oakland-raiders)
I just wrote about them last week (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insider/columns/story?columnist=kiper_jr_mel&id=5767428), but they deserve another mention after the Jacoby Ford (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13363) coming-out party on Sunday. Ford was a classic Al Davis pick, as the guy who ran the fastest forty in Indy and has clearly developed receiving skills that frankly didn't get him high marks at the combine. Really, the top of the draft is where the Raiders have seen dividends. Rolando McClain (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13255), Lamarr Houston (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13277) and Jared Veldheer (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13302) are already playing key roles on a surging team.
Cleveland Browns (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/cle/cleveland-browns)
The improvement and quick development of Colt McCoy (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13199) adds a lot to this mix, but credit the Browns for staying committed to a CB pick early, even after Joe Haden's stock had taken some hits. I thought the Browns reached on T.J. Ward (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13304), but I've said more than once he's proving me wrong. Good conviction and results with those first two picks, and they played the board perfectly on McCoy, who many (myself included) thought they might take at No. 38 overall.
Detroit Lions (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/det/detroit-lions)
Yes, we thought the Lions would do well, given their holes, but Ndamukong Suh (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13234) has surpassed all expectations thus far and is producing at a much higher rate than Gerald McCoy (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13240), who some folks had rated higher. Remember, as well, that Detroit traded up for Jahvid Best (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13205), who's been a key for that offense even as he plays hurt. Quietly, the Lions may have shown solid vision with the pick of Amari Spievey (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13297), a guy who played CB all through college but was immediately shifted to safety, where he now starts.
Others
We knew Bradford would get the nod, but Rodger Saffold (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13294) quietly has turned into a steal for St. Louis ... Tampa's work in getting Arrelious Benn (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13218) and Mike Williams (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13489) well down the board looks inspired now ... Jacksonville didn't win any value discussions, but Tyson Alualu (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13233) can play ... Philly added a bunch of depth and an immediate starter in Nate Allen (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13257). Riley Cooper (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13225) also looks like a 5th-round steal.
Slow starts

Minnesota Vikings (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/min/minnesota-vikings)
One thing Vikes fans will hate to be reminded of is that the team could have taken Best as the ideal third-down back replacing Chester Taylor (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=3784) but traded down with division rival Detroit, took Chris Cook (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13268) (who's been stalled by injuries) then took Toby Gerhart (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13211) after trading up. Gerhart is a nice player but is a total work-in-progress in terms of the pass-catching role they need him to fill. He could pan out, but again this is about early dividends and the Vikes aren't seeing much.
<table align="right" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td rowspan="2" width="5">
</td><td width="300">http://proxy.espn.go.com/photo/2010/1109/in_u_cjspillts_300.jpg</td></tr><tr><td width="300">C.J. Spiller is a talent, but the Bills had other needs to fill in this past draft.</td></tr></tbody></table> Buffalo Bills (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/buf/buffalo-bills)
I love C.J. Spiller (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13203) as a talent, but I wonder if the Bills do as much as they did when they drafted him with the No. 9 pick, when they had other significant needs. Spiller has fewer than half the carries of Fred Jackson (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=10195), and this is after they traded away Marshawn Lynch (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=10456). After that, there hasn't been much early production. The team is 0-8 and never addressed the offensive line. (Ed Wang (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13480), a 5th round pick, is out injured.)
Atlanta Falcons (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/atl/atlanta-falcons)
Atlanta is here mostly because it has a decent roster and got some key guys back after injuries took a toll in 2009, but I gave the Falcons a C+ after the draft, and they haven't really seen a ton of production. I think Corey Peters (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13292) and Sean Weatherspoon (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13243) should continue to develop and could be solid starters in this league, but it's not a high upside group.
Baltimore Ravens (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/bal/baltimore-ravens)
A draft I loved in terms of value hasn't helped much early. Sergio Kindle is hurt, and elsewhere the players higher on the depth chart are simply too talented to let the current crop make a dent.
Denver Broncos (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/den/denver-broncos)
Denver shouldn't be here because of the work it did after Round 1. It got guys it could use in Syd'Quan Thompson (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13472) and Perrish Cox (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13344); solid value in Zane Beadles (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13261) and J.D. Walton (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13303); but you have to wonder if it over-valued its level of talent. Demaryius Thomas (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13216) is coming on, but the Broncos used two valuable first round picks on guys that won't do much in terms of helping them win this year, and that's what this list is about.
Seattle Seahawks (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/sea/seattle-seahawks)
I still like the Seahawks' draft, but if it's about immediate dividends only Earl Thomas (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13251) has lived up to draft-day hype. Russell Okung (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13242) has been saddled with injuries, and Golden Tate's down-the-field skills are limited in an offense in which decent QB play has been sparse behind a leaky O-line.
Others Arizona is getting flashes from early picks, but it'll be interesting to see if Max Hall (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13576) (an UFA) becomes their most important pickup ... I get the feeling this is a bit of a red-shirt year for Jason Pierre-Paul (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13256) ... Given his skill-set, I'm surprised Jerry Hughes (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13245) hasn't been more a part of the Indy rotation.