Genital Area Pat-Downs

[Pony Boy]

I have logged tons of air-miles over the years and have flown out of most major airports but this was a first time experience for me ............. I was flying out of Newark late Monday night and I have metal implants in both legs and metal in the chest area so I'm accustomed to lighting up the screening gate. I don't mind having the full body scans, it's easier for me and well if someone gets a chuckle out of the size of my dick then so be it. But.... Monday night was the first time I was pulled over to the side and told I would receive a full body pat-down and I could do it here or in a private place. Wow... that was the first time I've ever had "big dick and the twins" rubbed in public and what made matters worse it was a guy bigger than me and I weigh 275. I saw this article and can see why this would be a problem for women. I'm ok with it but not all passengers received this pat-down, so I didn't feel any safer on the plane. Not a high risk flight, Newark to Tulsa but oh well............

Flight attendants union upset over new pat-down procedures


PHOENIX - A flight attendants union with 2,000 members is upset over what it calls "invasive pat-downs" recently implemented by the TSA.

"We're getting calls daily about peoples' experiences, our members are concerned," said Deborah Volpe, Vice President of the Association of Flight Attendants Local 66.

Volpe confirmed that the union is offering advice to its flight attendants, who mostly work for Tempe-based USAirways, involving the security moves.

According to a union email obtained by ABC15, it tells flight attendants if they opt out of using the body scanner through security and are required to undergo a pat-down to ask the pat-down be conducted in a private area with a witness.

"We don't want them in uniform going through this enhanced screening where their private areas are being touched in public," said Volpe. "They actually make contact with the genital area."

Some passengers have told ABC15 they've already encountered flight delays due to crew members having problems with TSA employees.

"It (delay) was over three hours when they finally found a crew member to take her place," said Les Johnson who says his Charlotte bound flight was delayed. "She (flight attendant) felt that she was groped and supposedly filed a claim."

According to Volpe, complaints from flight attendants are expected to continue to increase and said some flight attendants are planning to file lawsuits.

"They've already contacted the ACLU," said Volpe when referring to some members of the union. "We don't know if somebody may have had an experience with a sexual assault and its (pat-down) going to drudge up some bad memories."

Volpe made it clear the union is not against security.

"Security is the most important aspect, our offices were used as murder weapons," said Volpe. "Keep in mind we undergo extensive background checks and we fly quite often."

Volpe said she has been a flight attendant for nearly 25 years and she and other union leaders are pushing for a "crew pass" system that would allow flight attendants and pilots to essentially by-pass security.

"We don't want to delay anyone, we just feel this pat-down is a little much."

http://www.abc15.com/dpp/lifestyle/travel/flight-attendants-union-upset-over-new-pat-down-procedures

[Spider]

Obama tryin to cop a cheap thrill hey

[That One Guy]

I have logged tons of air-miles over the years and have flown out of most major airports but this was a first time experience for me ............. I was flying out of Newark late Monday night and I have metal implants in both legs and metal in the chest area so I'm accustomed to lighting up the screening gate. I don't mind having the full body scans, it's easier for me and well if someone gets a chuckle out of the size of my dick then so be it. But.... Monday night was the first time I was pulled over to the side and told I would receive a full body pat-down and I could do it here or in a private place. Wow... that was the first time I've ever had "big dick and the twins" rubbed in public and what made matters worse it was a guy bigger than me and I weigh 275. I saw this article and can see why this would be a problem for women. I'm ok with it but not all passengers received this pat-down, so I didn't feel any safer on the plane. Not a high risk flight, Newark to Tulsa but oh well............

Flight attendants union upset over new pat-down procedures


PHOENIX - A flight attendants union with 2,000 members is upset over what it calls "invasive pat-downs" recently implemented by the TSA.

"We're getting calls daily about peoples' experiences, our members are concerned," said Deborah Volpe, Vice President of the Association of Flight Attendants Local 66.

Volpe confirmed that the union is offering advice to its flight attendants, who mostly work for Tempe-based USAirways, involving the security moves.

According to a union email obtained by ABC15, it tells flight attendants if they opt out of using the body scanner through security and are required to undergo a pat-down to ask the pat-down be conducted in a private area with a witness.

"We don't want them in uniform going through this enhanced screening where their private areas are being touched in public," said Volpe. "They actually make contact with the genital area."

Some passengers have told ABC15 they've already encountered flight delays due to crew members having problems with TSA employees.

"It (delay) was over three hours when they finally found a crew member to take her place," said Les Johnson who says his Charlotte bound flight was delayed. "She (flight attendant) felt that she was groped and supposedly filed a claim."

According to Volpe, complaints from flight attendants are expected to continue to increase and said some flight attendants are planning to file lawsuits.

"They've already contacted the ACLU," said Volpe when referring to some members of the union. "We don't know if somebody may have had an experience with a sexual assault and its (pat-down) going to drudge up some bad memories."

Volpe made it clear the union is not against security.

"Security is the most important aspect, our offices were used as murder weapons," said Volpe. "Keep in mind we undergo extensive background checks and we fly quite often."

Volpe said she has been a flight attendant for nearly 25 years and she and other union leaders are pushing for a "crew pass" system that would allow flight attendants and pilots to essentially by-pass security.

"We don't want to delay anyone, we just feel this pat-down is a little much."

http://www.abc15.com/dpp/lifestyle/travel/flight-attendants-union-upset-over-new-pat-down-procedures

If they deserve a free pass, why can't I and my top-secret security clearance get a free pass? Surely I've been vetted more than they have.

[Pony Boy]

Obama tryin to cop a cheap thrill hey

I don't think they have a clue how to stop these scumbags from getting on airplanes.... Like I said, I like the full-body scanners because they work and everyone gets sent through. Rubbing men and women in the crotch area isn't the answer. Come on Spider you've probably ran across a few women that could hide a pretty good size explosive inside the hooch......:~ohyah!:

[Pony Boy]

Well you can add Newark to this list with Boston and Las Vegas......Ha!

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[Garcia Bronco]

I think these are over the line. I think they'll get challenged in court and they'll be stopped.

[Smiling Assassin27]

Look for the full length tape on Larry Flynt's site soon:

http://www.dvorak.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/tsa_breast_groping1-300x238.jpg

[Garcia Bronco]

The TSA is going to have to statistically prove this makes us safer and they can't.

[Smiling Assassin27]

The TSA is going to have to statistically prove this makes us safer and they can't.

yeah, but it makes us feel hornier if we get the right TSA gal...it's a QUALITATIVE benefit, man. :~ohyah!:

[orinjkrush]

The TSA is going to have to statistically prove this makes us safer and they can't.

i wish that were true, but i dont know. can we show that for Afghanistan?

[Pony Boy]

I can get my ball sack squeezed but its racial profiling to search a turban......go figure

Livid American Sikhs liken plans to search turbans at airports to ‘racial profiling’

New York, Nov 7: Sikh groups in the United States are protesting against transportation officials’ plan to search turbans at airport screening stations in the country.

The groups are calling on their constituents to lobby Congress and the Transportation Security Administration to overturn what they said was an “unjust policy.”

According to the New York Times, officials from the Sikh Coalition, United Sikhs and the Sikh American Legal Defense and Education Fund have met with representatives of the Department of Homeland Security and the T.S.A.

“All of us jointly feel there are definitely some elements of racial profiling here,” the newspaper quoted Jasjit Singh, Associate Director of the Legal Defense Fund, a civil rights group in Washington, as saying.

http://www.indiatalkies.com/2010/11/livid-american-sikhs-liken-plans-search-turbans-airports-racial-profiling.html

[snowspot66]

I don't even like the full body screening. I don't think it makes us safer and I seriously question the safety of the devices.

[Garcia Bronco]

Your statistical chance of getting killed by a terror attack is almost zero.

[elsid13]

If they deserve a free pass, why can't I and my top-secret security clearance get a free pass? Surely I've been vetted more than they have.

It the same reason when you are flying on orders and DTS has booked you on separate one way tickets you get that special attention at security. Beside don't really want the TSP to have access to your information in JPAS?

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Your statistical chance of getting killed by a terror attack is almost zero.Uh, that depends on when and where you are, of course, like living in Greenland or Iraq. And I doubt if your words mean anything with the thousands of Americans who have been killed by terrorists.

[That One Guy]

It the same reason when you are flying on orders and DTS has booked you on separate one way tickets you get that special attention at security. Beside don't really want the TSP to have access to your information in JPAS?

;D I can fly with a JPAS printout if it'll get me through quicker!

I wasn't actually being serious, just saying there's a lot more people I'd put unwaivering trust in before I'd do so with a flight attendant.

If they did such a thing, how hard would it be to plant someone in the flight attendant career path and come revisit them in a few years when the time is right? If it's necessary for one, it's necessary for all - no exceptions.

[baja]

I have logged tons of air-miles over the years and have flown out of most major airports but this was a first time experience for me ............. I was flying out of Newark late Monday night and I have metal implants in both legs and metal in the chest area so I'm accustomed to lighting up the screening gate. I don't mind having the full body scans, it's easier for me and well if someone gets a chuckle out of the size of my dick then so be it. But.... Monday night was the first time I was pulled over to the side and told I would receive a full body pat-down and I could do it here or in a private place. Wow... that was the first time I've ever had "big dick and the twins" rubbed in public and what made matters worse it was a guy bigger than me and I weigh 275. I saw this article and can see why this would be a problem for women. I'm ok with it but not all passengers received this pat-down, so I didn't feel any safer on the plane. Not a high risk flight, Newark to Tulsa but oh well............

Flight attendants union upset over new pat-down procedures


PHOENIX - A flight attendants union with 2,000 members is upset over what it calls "invasive pat-downs" recently implemented by the TSA.

"We're getting calls daily about peoples' experiences, our members are concerned," said Deborah Volpe, Vice President of the Association of Flight Attendants Local 66.

Volpe confirmed that the union is offering advice to its flight attendants, who mostly work for Tempe-based USAirways, involving the security moves.

According to a union email obtained by ABC15, it tells flight attendants if they opt out of using the body scanner through security and are required to undergo a pat-down to ask the pat-down be conducted in a private area with a witness.

"We don't want them in uniform going through this enhanced screening where their private areas are being touched in public," said Volpe. "They actually make contact with the genital area."

Some passengers have told ABC15 they've already encountered flight delays due to crew members having problems with TSA employees.

"It (delay) was over three hours when they finally found a crew member to take her place," said Les Johnson who says his Charlotte bound flight was delayed. "She (flight attendant) felt that she was groped and supposedly filed a claim."

According to Volpe, complaints from flight attendants are expected to continue to increase and said some flight attendants are planning to file lawsuits.

"They've already contacted the ACLU," said Volpe when referring to some members of the union. "We don't know if somebody may have had an experience with a sexual assault and its (pat-down) going to drudge up some bad memories."

Volpe made it clear the union is not against security.

"Security is the most important aspect, our offices were used as murder weapons," said Volpe. "Keep in mind we undergo extensive background checks and we fly quite often."

Volpe said she has been a flight attendant for nearly 25 years and she and other union leaders are pushing for a "crew pass" system that would allow flight attendants and pilots to essentially by-pass security.

"We don't want to delay anyone, we just feel this pat-down is a little much."

http://www.abc15.com/dpp/lifestyle/travel/flight-attendants-union-upset-over-new-pat-down-procedures

Fortunately for me I'm going to live out my days in the peace and quiet of the mountains in south Baja.

[gyldenlove]

The TSA is going to have to statistically prove this makes us safer and they can't.

The TSA don't give a ****, it is just another agency that has been given a blank check in the name of fear and now they are busy milking it for everything it is worth. If every agency employee in the US who spends their days doing things that contribute nothing to the general or even directly works against the public good was put to actual good work, you guys might be able to start paying China back.

[gyldenlove]

Your statistical chance of getting killed by a terror attack is almost zero.

I wonder how far down the list of causes of mortality terror ranks in the States, I am guessing it ranks well below diarrhea, the common cold, hot weather, cold weather, amateur electrical work, smoking in bed and sexual fetishes.

[baja]

I wonder how far down the list of causes of mortality terror ranks in the States, I am guessing it ranks well below diarrhea, the common cold, hot weather, cold weather, amateur electrical work, smoking in bed and sexual fetishes.

Not fair. Everything ranks below sexual fetishes.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I can get my ball sack squeezed but its racial profiling to search a turban......go figure

Livid American Sikhs liken plans to search turbans at airports to ‘racial profiling’

New York, Nov 7: Sikh groups in the United States are protesting against transportation officials’ plan to search turbans at airport screening stations in the country.

The groups are calling on their constituents to lobby Congress and the Transportation Security Administration to overturn what they said was an “unjust policy.”

According to the New York Times, officials from the Sikh Coalition, United Sikhs and the Sikh American Legal Defense and Education Fund have met with representatives of the Department of Homeland Security and the T.S.A.

“All of us jointly feel there are definitely some elements of racial profiling here,” the newspaper quoted Jasjit Singh, Associate Director of the Legal Defense Fund, a civil rights group in Washington, as saying.

http://www.indiatalkies.com/2010/11/livid-american-sikhs-liken-plans-search-turbans-airports-racial-profiling.html

Having a turban searched is more invasive and offensive than having your testicles cupped? ROFL!

[Requiem]

They never reached up my butt to pull out my anal beads when I flew to Georgia.

[Rohirrim]

I asked my wife for a genital area pat down, but she just told me to take out the trash.

[baja]

I asked my wife for a genital area pat down, but she just told me to take out the trash.

Maybe she meant take out the junk, you might of messed up big time.

[Rohirrim]

Maybe she meant take out the junk, you might of messed up big time.

Damn! :wiggle:

[mhgaffney]

Boiling Frog Syndrome...

You guys don't get it. This has nothing to do with stopping terrorism. (BTW, the Europeans agree with me on this.) It's about preparing you in baby steps to accept a police state. It's a gradual thing. Step by step by step. Next thing you know -- you wake up and it's too late.

Check out what Sibel Edmonds has to say on this. She was a Turkish translator for the FBI -- which is how she learned about high level corruption in the US government. Edmonds is currently under a gag order. But this didn't stop her from weighing in on the body search/scan issue.

Here's a tit bit:

"Where are you macho and good ole cowboy mentality testosterone walking bags when your wives and daughters are being fondled, squeezed, and intimately probed? Shouldn’t you be roaring like lions and throwing punches like John Wayne when it comes to those who violate your ‘women’? Don’t you feel your manliness under attack when they make you stand in front of them, with your legs apart, arms up to each side, while their hands wrap around measuring your buttocks?"

http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2010/11/09/the-not-so-gradual-degradation-of-a-nation/

[That One Guy]

Just curious, would it be harrassment to moan during the pat down?

I'd definitely ensure to get it done in the open. See how into the pat down that guard gets.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Just curious, would it be harrassment to moan during the pat down?

I'd definitely ensure to get it done in the open. See how into the pat down that guard gets.

Ha!

The first thing I thought of was putting both hands behind my head and doing one of those pelvic thrust "freak" style dance moves. ;D

Or potentially yelling "This dude just grabbed my GENITALS!!" at full voice.

[Taco John]

The great thing about the TSA is that another Tea Partier is born every minute. The TSA is churning them out like The Fed prints hundred dollar bills. People get angry and remember that our government isn't supposed to operate this way. Suddenly they're open to ideas that they might not have been open to previously.

Let freedom ring...

[Dr. Broncenstein]

You could do away with all airport security, and the most dangerous part about flying would still be the driving to/fro the airport.

[El Guapo]

Yet the when a plane blows up over a highly populated area everyone will be screaming, "why didn't the gov't do something to stop it!??!"

Look, these guys have resorted to sticking dynamite to their balls and to other private parts (see: ladies). How else are we to defend it if the individual decides not to go through the new scanner? As a frequent flyer I'm all for it. These flight attendants/pilots and passengers need to get over themselves. Terrorist organizations could just infiltrate their ranks like the mexican drug cartels have infiltrated our Customs and Border Protection.

[baja]

Yet the when a plane blows up over a highly populated area everyone will be screaming, "why didn't the gov't do something to stop it!??!"

Look, these guys have resorted to sticking dynamite to their balls and to other private parts (see: ladies). How else are we to defend it if the individual decides not to go through the new scanner? As a frequent flyer I'm all for it. These flight attendants/pilots and passengers need to get over themselves. Terrorist organizations could just infiltrate their ranks like the mexican drug cartels have infiltrated our Customs and Border Protection.

and their plan is working to perfection. Ultimate step let's put everyone in camps protected by barbed wire to protect us from ___________________ (fill in the blank)

Hey wait a darn minute that wire cantilevers to the inside that is to keep us in the compound those darn government engineers installed it backwards. (or did they?)

[Spider]

I don't think they have a clue how to stop these scumbags from getting on airplanes.... Like I said, I like the full-body scanners because they work and everyone gets sent through. Rubbing men and women in the crotch area isn't the answer. Come on Spider you've probably ran across a few women that could hide a pretty good size explosive inside the hooch......:~ohyah!:

that explains alot :wiggle:

[That One Guy]

Yet the when a plane blows up over a highly populated area everyone will be screaming, "why didn't the gov't do something to stop it!??!"
Look, these guys have resorted to sticking dynamite to their balls and to other private parts (see: ladies). How else are we to defend it if the individual decides not to go through the new scanner? As a frequent flyer I'm all for it. These flight attendants/pilots and passengers need to get over themselves. Terrorist organizations could just infiltrate their ranks like the mexican drug cartels have infiltrated our Customs and Border Protection.

Yep, everyone who screamed about how much more the government could've done to prevent 9/11... Welcome to the prevention. There are surely threats coming in every single day that they have to browse through so the only way to alleviate themselves from responsibility is to regularly take the most safe and restrictive posture possible.

[Garcia Bronco]

Uh, that depends on when and where you are, of course, like living in Greenland or Iraq. And I doubt if your words mean anything with the thousands of Americans who have been killed by terrorists.

Your statistical chance being killed in a politcally motivated or terrorist attack is almost zero. In fact you have a better chance of being killed in a car accident, being gunned down in a robbery, bike accident, dying from lung cancer, suffering from alcoholism, and so on. It's a tiny fraction compared to the things that actually consume lives.

[mhgaffney]

For once -- Garcia gets it right.

Since 9/11 we've spent trillions on the war against terrorism. Yet, how many terrorists have actually been indicted, convicted and put behind bars here in the US?

Maybe one -- if that.

[DenverBrit]

that explains alot :wiggle:

Yeah, all that 'banging.' ;D

[Rohirrim]

I wouldn't mind it so much if they'd just offer drinks and lower the lights.

[MplsBronco]

We joke but this crap is an absolute outrage and we should all be mad as hell at this. Talk about un-american!

And all for this boogey-man, bogus, terrorism BS. Makes me sick and embarrassed to be an American.

[Rohirrim]

Let a couple of plane loads of Americans just sit down in the airport and refuse to board and we'll see how long it lasts.

Civil disobedience is also a right, folks.

[Pony Boy]

I imagine some day in the future all passengers will be escorted to a private area and be required to change into TSA approved flight suits and all personal items will be x-rayed and stored in another section of the airplane. I could even see luggage going on a separate fight.

[MplsBronco]

Let a couple of plane loads of Americans just sit down in the airport and refuse to board and we'll see how long it lasts.

Civil disobedience is also a right, folks.

It'll nver happen. This country is full of sheep who think this is justifiable.

[TonyR]

I have found the submissiveness and docility of the American people in the face of the state's pointless molestation incredibly discouraging. I think this is one of those subjects that demands we step back, take a deep breath, and consider with a clear mind just how phenomenally idiotic the government's policy of increasingly invasive degradation really is. Law-abiding travellers, who pose approximately zero risk of terrorism, and offer no ground for reasonable suspicion of wrongdoing, must run this gauntlet of abasement because airplanes were once made the instrument of mass death. The odds of being a victim of terrorism on a flight are approximately 1 in 10,408,947—rather less than the 1 in 500,000 odds of getting killed by lightning.

But nope. Who cares? Doesn't matter! Instead the government ramps up their time-consuming campaign of harassment. Is the idea that if we are not made to feel ashamed, we will not be made to feel safe? I can't figure it out. The TSA is like my dog. Once he spied a rabbit by a tree in our yard as we came in the back gate. Now, whenever we come through that gate, he freezes and stares bullets at the spot by the birch where a bunny once sat. To a first approximation, there is never a rabbit there, and any special effort devoted to detecting one there is wasted. I have tried to explain this to Winston. But the poor dog, a genius of premature inductive inference, just won't believe me. I find this a little annoying, but he's a dog, it only takes a second, and he doesn't fondle my upper thigh.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2010/11/airport_insecurity

[TonyR]

Your statistical chance being killed in a politcally motivated or terrorist attack is almost zero.

Ah, but remember the good old days when the party you support used this issue to get W re-elected in '04? Remember, the Dems were "soft on terror" but W was a rugged American cowboy? Now I guess y'all don't need this issue any more since you've turned to the "big government librul/socialist" scare tactic. Well played. I wonder what it'll be next time around?

[barryr]

Ah, but remember the good old days when the party you support used this issue to get W re-elected in '04? Remember, the Dems were "soft on terror" but W was a rugged American cowboy? Now I guess y'all don't need this issue any more since you've turned to the "big government librul/socialist" scare tactic. Well played. I wonder what it'll be next time around?

Meanwhile the democrats have used the "republicans are wanting to starve your kids and make seniors live on the streets" scare tactics for years.

[TailgateNut]

Meanwhile the democrats have used the "republicans are wanting to starve your kids and make seniors live on the streets" scare tactics for years.


That isn't a scare tactic. That's reality.

As long as you don't have an abortion, all is ok, then once you pop out, you're on your own.

[Rohirrim]

I have found the submissiveness and docility of the American people in the face of the state's pointless molestation incredibly discouraging. I think this is one of those subjects that demands we step back, take a deep breath, and consider with a clear mind just how phenomenally idiotic the government's policy of increasingly invasive degradation really is. Law-abiding travellers, who pose approximately zero risk of terrorism, and offer no ground for reasonable suspicion of wrongdoing, must run this gauntlet of abasement because airplanes were once made the instrument of mass death. The odds of being a victim of terrorism on a flight are approximately 1 in 10,408,947—rather less than the 1 in 500,000 odds of getting killed by lightning.

But nope. Who cares? Doesn't matter! Instead the government ramps up their time-consuming campaign of harassment. Is the idea that if we are not made to feel ashamed, we will not be made to feel safe? I can't figure it out. The TSA is like my dog. Once he spied a rabbit by a tree in our yard as we came in the back gate. Now, whenever we come through that gate, he freezes and stares bullets at the spot by the birch where a bunny once sat. To a first approximation, there is never a rabbit there, and any special effort devoted to detecting one there is wasted. I have tried to explain this to Winston. But the poor dog, a genius of premature inductive inference, just won't believe me. I find this a little annoying, but he's a dog, it only takes a second, and he doesn't fondle my upper thigh.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2010/11/airport_insecurity

He's right. It's very discouraging. I would hope the American people would just stand up and say, "That's far enough!" But no. All they do is baaaaaa. Maybe it's because so much of our population is on Prozac?

[TailgateNut]

He's right. It's very discouraging. I would hope the American people would just stand up and say, "That's far enough!" But no. All they do is baaaaaa. Maybe it's because so much of our population is on Prozac?


I remember flying into Frankfurt, Germany decades before the terrorist "scares", and when we arrived they decided to pick me for a strip search. Lotsa fun! Just because I was the only GI on the charter who hadn't shaved in 30 days.:wiggle:

[barryr]

I remember flying into Frankfurt, Germany decades before the terrorist "scares", and when we arrived they decided to pick me for a strip search. Lotsa fun! Just because I was the only GI on the charter who hadn't shaved in 30 days.:wiggle:

Nah, they probably thought you were a woman in disguise, so just wanted to be sure LOL

[TailgateNut]

Nah, they probably thought you were a woman in disguise, so just wanted to be sure LOL


Does Mcskillet charge you rent for living in his basement in Bum****, Texass?

[epicSocialism4tw]

This week in Irony:

Council on Islamic American Relations Tells Muslim Women to Refuse Pat Downs
http://www.cair.com/ArticleDetails.aspx?ArticleID=26681&&name=n&&currPage=1

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

The great thing about the TSA is that another Tea Partier is born every minute. The TSA is churning them out like The Fed prints hundred dollar bills. People get angry and remember that our government isn't supposed to operate this way. Suddenly they're open to ideas that they might not have been open to previously.

Let freedom ring...

But the Tea Partiers are the same people who defended Bush's police state, the Patriot Act, illegal wire tapping, etc., tooth and nail.

[Garcia Bronco]

Ah, but remember the good old days when the party you support used this issue to get W re-elected in '04? Remember, the Dems were "soft on terror" but W was a rugged American cowboy? Now I guess y'all don't need this issue any more since you've turned to the "big government librul/socialist" scare tactic. Well played. I wonder what it'll be next time around?

That wasn't the only reason to vote for George Bush. The biggerst reason was that John Kerry was/is a moron. Just like voting for McCain with Sarah dumb**** was no choice at all.

[Garcia Bronco]

And I doubt if your words mean anything with the thousands of Americans who have been killed by terrorists.

Compared to the millions more nationally and the billions more globally a few thousand doesn't even matter.

[Obushma]

But the Tea Partiers are the same people who defended Bush's police state, the Patriot Act, illegal wire tapping, etc., tooth and nail.

:clown:, you are a dumb ****.

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[epicSocialism4tw]

:clown:, you are a dumb ****.

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LABF and his ilk do not have minds of their own.

They will never unplug from the partisan lefty echo chamber to think for themselves.

[Obushma]

LABF and his ilk do not have minds of their own.

They will never unplug from the partisan lefty echo chamber to think for themselves.

It just goes to show what a dumb ass he is. He's been bought and paid for by the elitist D.

[epicSocialism4tw]

It just goes to show what a dumb ass he is. He's been bought and paid for by the elitist D.

Heck, I wonder how many sites he posts that leftist propaganda at?

I wouldnt doubt it at all that he was a paid employee for one of those internet-focused media arms of the DNC.

He uses the same few far left sites for all of his material, and he acts like he hasnt really read much of anybody here.

[Obushma]

Heck, I wonder how many sites he posts that leftist propaganda at?

I wouldnt doubt it at all that he was a paid employee for one of those internet-focused media arms of the DNC.

He uses the same few far left sites for all of his material, and he acts like he hasnt really read much of anybody here.

****, you think he's the only one one this site.

[epicSocialism4tw]

New policy: TSA now putting their hands down peoples' pants:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/tsa-now-putting-hands-down-fliers-pants.html

[gyldenlove]

I was at Metro Detroit airport this weekend, they use mandatory backscatter scanners or full pat-down for all travellers including pregnant women and infants. I kid you not, on the sign they have posted it says:

This scanner is completely safe for pregnant women and infants because it emits 10 000 times less radio waves than a cell phone.

Unless the company who build those scanners are complete tools it should emit no appreciable radiowaves at all. The machine uses soft x-rays which are different from radiowaves, it also emits a lot more x-rays than a cell phone which emits no x-rays at all. Radiowaves have never been linked to health risks, unlike x-rays which are known as a major health risk. Those scanners have not been through FDA approcal needed for medical imaging devices and no large scale studies have ever been undertaken to investigate the health risk on the general public let alone high risk groups such as infants, pregnant women or women with BRCA, CDH, PTEN or TP53 mutations.

A scanner like that would not be allowed in a hospital where it would be operated by radiologists and serviced daily by trained medical physicists, yet it is perfectly fine in the hands of TSA gorillas in an airport.

[El Minion]

Full Story Here (http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/11/tsa-investigating-passenger/?utm_source=co2hog)

“If you touch my junk,” he told the agent, “I’ll have you arrested.”

The agent called his supervisor, who told Tyner that if he wasn’t comfortable with the enhanced pat-down “we can escort you back out and you don’t have to fly today.”

Tyner told the agent, “I don’t understand how a sexual assault can be made a condition of my flying.”

When the agent replied that a pat-down was not considered a sexual assault, Tyner said, “It would be if you were not the government.”

The TSA supervisor told him, “By buying your ticket you gave up a lot of rights.”


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Privacy groups such as the Electronic Privacy Information Center are seeking a court order to halt the use of invasive scanners, saying the scanners are illegal and violate passenger privacy.

They also say the government has done little to ensure that images taken by the devices are not saved. The TSA has asserted that security scanners cannot store pictures, but security personnel at a courthouse in Florida were found to not only have saved about 35,000 images but shared some of them among colleagues in order to humiliate one of their co-workers. On Tuesday, Gizmodo released 100 of the images (http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/11/giz-scans/), which the technology site had obtained through a Freedom of Information Act request.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Full Story Here (http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/11/tsa-investigating-passenger/?utm_source=co2hog)

“If you touch my junk,” he told the agent, “I’ll have you arrested.”

The agent called his supervisor, who told Tyner that if he wasn’t comfortable with the enhanced pat-down “we can escort you back out and you don’t have to fly today.”

Tyner told the agent, “I don’t understand how a sexual assault can be made a condition of my flying.”

When the agent replied that a pat-down was not considered a sexual assault, Tyner said, “It would be if you were not the government.”

The TSA supervisor told him, “By buying your ticket you gave up a lot of rights.”


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Privacy groups such as the Electronic Privacy Information Center are seeking a court order to halt the use of invasive scanners, saying the scanners are illegal and violate passenger privacy.

They also say the government has done little to ensure that images taken by the devices are not saved. The TSA has asserted that security scanners cannot store pictures, but security personnel at a courthouse in Florida were found to not only have saved about 35,000 images but shared some of them among colleagues in order to humiliate one of their co-workers. On Tuesday, Gizmodo released 100 of the images (http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/11/giz-scans/), which the technology site had obtained through a Freedom of Information Act request.

We need a lawsuit. ASAP.

[Garcia Bronco]

Just stop flying. That's it. Stay home for Thanksgiving and Christmas. Save some money. Spend it local.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

:clown:, you are a dumb ****.



You and your fellow nincompoops on the far-right are a bunch of dumb motherf_ckers if you're actually going to deny that the teabagger loons are the same clowns who supported Bush's every move toward a police state.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

http://www.schneier.com/blog/archive..._security.html (http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/11/beyond_security.html)

Beyond Security Theater

New Internationalist (http://www.newint.org/) (n. 427, November 2009, pp. 10–13). It's nothing I haven't said before, but I'm pleased with how this essay (http://www.schneier.com/essay-292.html) came together.]

Terrorism is rare, far rarer than many people think. It's rare because very few people want to commit acts of terrorism, and executing a terrorist plot is much harder than television makes it appear. The best defenses against terrorism are largely invisible: investigation, intelligence, and emergency response. But even these are less effective at keeping us safe than our social and political policies, both at home and abroad. However, our elected leaders don't think this way: they are far more likely to implement security theater against movie-plot threats.

A movie-plot threat is an overly specific attack scenario. Whether it's terrorists with crop dusters, terrorists contaminating the milk supply, or terrorists attacking the Olympics, specific stories affect our emotions more intensely than mere data does. Stories are what we fear. It's not just hypothetical stories: terrorists flying planes into buildings, terrorists with bombs in their shoes or in their water bottles, and terrorists with guns and bombs waging a co-ordinated attack against a city are even scarier movie-plot threats because they actually happened.

Security theater refers to security measures that make people feel more secure without doing anything to actually improve their security. An example: the photo ID checks that have sprung up in office buildings.

No-one has ever explained why verifying that someone has a photo ID provides any actual security, but it looks like security to have a uniformed guard-for-hire looking at ID cards. Airport-security examples include the National Guard troops stationed at US airports in the months after 9/11 -- their guns had no bullets. The US colour-coded system of threat levels, the pervasive harassment of photographers, and the metal detectors that are increasingly common in hotels and office buildings since the Mumbai terrorist attacks, are additional examples.

To be sure, reasonable arguments can be made that some terrorist targets are more attractive than others: aeroplanes because a small bomb can result in the death of everyone aboard, monuments because of their national significance, national events because of television coverage, and transportation because of the numbers of people who commute daily. But there are literally millions of potential targets in any large country (there are five million commercial buildings alone in the US), and hundreds of potential terrorist tactics; it's impossible to defend every place against everything, and it's impossible to predict which tactic and target terrorists will try next.

Feeling and Reality

Security is both a feeling and a reality. The propensity for security theater comes from the interplay between the public and its leaders. When people are scared, they need something done that will make them feel safe, even if it doesn't truly make them safer. Politicians naturally want to do something in response to crisis, even if that something doesn't make any sense.

Often, this "something" is directly related to the details of a recent event: we confiscate liquids, screen shoes, and ban box cutters on airplanes. But it's not the target and tactics of the last attack that are important, but the next attack. These measures are only effective if we happen to guess what the next terrorists are planning. If we spend billions defending our rail systems, and the terrorists bomb a shopping mall instead, we've wasted our money. If we concentrate airport security on screening shoes and confiscating liquids, and the terrorists hide explosives in their brassieres and use solids, we've wasted our money. Terrorists don't care what they blow up and it shouldn't be our goal merely to force the terrorists to make a minor change in their tactics or targets.

Our penchant for movie plots blinds us to the broader threats. And security theater consumes resources that could better be spent elsewhere.

Any terrorist attack is a series of events: something like planning, recruiting, funding, practising, executing, aftermath. Our most effective defenses are at the beginning and end of that process -- intelligence, investigation, and emergency response -- and least effective when they require us to guess the plot correctly. By intelligence and investigation, I don't mean the broad data-mining or eavesdropping systems that have been proposed and in some cases implemented -- those are also movie-plot stories without much basis in actual effectiveness -- but instead the traditional "follow the evidence" type of investigation that has worked for decades.

Unfortunately for politicians, the security measures that work are largely invisible. Such measures include enhancing the intelligence-gathering abilities of the secret services, hiring cultural experts and Arabic translators, building bridges with Islamic communities both nationally and internationally, funding police capabilities -- both investigative arms to prevent terrorist attacks, and emergency communications systems for after attacks occur -- and arresting terrorist plotters without media fanfare. They do not include expansive new police or spying laws. Our police don't need any new laws to deal with terrorism; rather, they need apolitical funding. These security measures don't make good television, and they don't help, come re-election time. But they work, addressing the reality of security instead of the feeling.

The arrest of the "liquid bombers" in London is an example: they were caught through old-fashioned intelligence and police work. Their choice of target (airplanes) and tactic (liquid explosives) didn't matter; they would have been arrested regardless.

But even as we do all of this we cannot neglect the feeling of security, because it's how we collectively overcome the psychological damage that terrorism causes. It's not security theater we need, it's direct appeals to our feelings. The best way to help people feel secure is by acting secure around them. Instead of reacting to terrorism with fear, we -- and our leaders -- need to react with indomitability.

Refuse to Be Terrorized

By not overreacting, by not responding to movie-plot threats, and by not becoming defensive, we demonstrate the resilience of our society, in our laws, our culture, our freedoms. There is a difference between indomitability and arrogant "bring 'em on" rhetoric. There's a difference between accepting the inherent risk that comes with a free and open society, and hyping the threats.

We should treat terrorists like common criminals and give them all the benefits of true and open justice -- not merely because it demonstrates our indomitability, but because it makes us all safer. Once a society starts circumventing its own laws, the risks to its future stability are much greater than terrorism.

Supporting real security even though it's invisible, and demonstrating indomitability even though fear is more politically expedient, requires real courage. Demagoguery is easy. What we need is leaders willing both to do what's right and to speak the truth.

Despite fearful rhetoric to the contrary, terrorism is not a transcendent threat. A terrorist attack cannot possibly destroy a country's way of life; it's only our reaction to that attack that can do that kind of damage. The more we undermine our own laws, the more we convert our buildings into fortresses, the more we reduce the freedoms and liberties at the foundation of our societies, the more we're doing the terrorists' job for them.

We saw some of this in the Londoners' reaction to the 2005 transport bombings. Among the political and media hype and fearmongering, there was a thread of firm resolve. People didn't fall victim to fear. They rode the trains and buses the next day and continued their lives. Terrorism's goal isn't murder; terrorism attacks the mind, using victims as a prop. By refusing to be terrorized, we deny the terrorists their primary weapon: our own fear.

Today, we can project indomitability by rolling back all the fear-based post-9/11 security measures. Our leaders have lost credibility; getting it back requires a decrease in hyperbole. Ditch the invasive mass surveillance systems and new police state-like powers. Return airport security to pre-9/11 levels. Remove swagger from our foreign policies. Show the world that our legal system is up to the challenge of terrorism. Stop telling people to report all suspicious activity; it does little but make us suspicious of each other, increasing both fear and helplessness.
Terrorism has always been rare, and for all we've heard about 9/11 changing the world, it's still rare. Even 9/11 failed to kill as many people as automobiles do in the US every single month. But there's a pervasive myth that terrorism is easy. It's easy to imagine terrorist plots, both large-scale "poison the food supply" and small-scale "10 guys with guns and cars." Movies and television bolster this myth, so many people are surprised that there have been so few attacks in Western cities since 9/11. Certainly intelligence and investigation successes have made it harder, but mostly it's because terrorist attacks are actually hard. It's hard to find willing recruits, to co-ordinate plans, and to execute those plans -- and it's easy to make mistakes.

Counterterrorism is also hard, especially when we're psychologically prone to muck it up. Since 9/11, we've embarked on strategies of defending specific targets against specific tactics, overreacting to every terrorist video, stoking fear, demonizing ethnic groups, and treating the terrorists as if they were legitimate military opponents who could actually destroy a country or a way of life -- all of this plays into the hands of terrorists. We'd do much better by leveraging the inherent strengths of our modern democracies and the natural advantages we have over the terrorists: our adaptability and survivability, our international network of laws and law enforcement, and the freedoms and liberties that make our society so enviable. The way we live is open enough to make terrorists rare; we are observant enough to prevent most of the terrorist plots that exist, and indomitable enough to survive the even fewer terrorist plots that actually succeed. We don't need to pretend otherwise.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Heck, I wonder how many sites he posts that leftist propaganda at?


This from the same laughing stock who starts a dozen new threads per day with bold-faced lies about Obama's trip to India, etc?

That's rich. :giggle:

[Obushma]

You and your fellow nincompoops on the far-right are a bunch of dumb motherf_ckers if you're actually going to deny that the teabagger loons are the same clowns who supported Bush's every move toward a police state.


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Ahhhhhh ****, all over you're face kid.

[Dudeskey]

http://yorick.infinitejest.org:81/1/img/card-civil_libertarians.jpg

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Ahhhhhh ****, all over you're(sic) face kid.

You're both delusional and retarded if you don't realize that the tea party is just the nutty, fringe-right wing of the republican party.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

http://yorick.infinitejest.org:81/1/img/card-civil_libertarians.jpg

McShillet and most of the other right-wing c_ckroaches on this board who now support the tea party are the same people who defended Bush's every move, i.e., the Patriot Act, warrantless wiretaps, etc.

[epicSocialism4tw]

McShillet and most of the other right-wing c_ckroaches on this board who now support the tea party are the same people who defended Bush's every move, i.e., the Patriot Act, warrantless wiretaps, etc.

Get outta here.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Get outta here.

Nice denial. :thumbs:

[epicSocialism4tw]

Nice denial.

Only a loser like you, so bitter from getting beaten down to a pulp in the last election cycle, would come into a place where people are talking about coming together for the common good to get rid of these intrusive practices and start to make it political.

Losers like you have been trying to divide us for far too long.

Take your progressive party partisan propaganda and shove it, punk.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Only a loser like you, so bitter from getting beaten down to a pulp in the last election cycle, would come into a place where people are talking about coming together for the common good to get rid of these intrusive practices and start to make it political.

There you go lying about your track record again.

Where was your "coming together for the common good to get rid of these intrusive practices" during the Bush years?

That's right - you were busy defending every single one of those "intrusive practices" like the hypocritical, forked tongued POS you are.



Take your progressive party partisan propaganda and shove it, punk.

Take your regressive, willfully ignorant, fake news peddling, disingenuous, hypocritical spam and f_ck yourself with it, jackoff.

[epicSocialism4tw]

There you go lying about your track record again.

Where was your "coming together for the common good to get rid of these intrusive practices" during the Bush years?

That's right - you were busy defending every single one of those "intrusive practices" like the hypocritical, forked tongued POS you are.



Take your regressive, willfully ignorant, fake news peddling, disingenuous, hypocritical spam and f_ck yourself with it, jackoff.

You arent having any effect here, gooseneck.

You better watch out because if your masters at the DNC check this site out and see how regularly you get put down like a dying animal, you'll only be collecting a paycheck from your other union gig. When someone's desperate enough to hire a Trevor Rabin wannabe that is.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

You arent having any effect here, gooseneck.

You better watch out because if your masters at the DNC check this site out and see how regularly you get put down like a dying animal, you'll only be collecting a paycheck from your other union gig. When someone's desperate enough to hire a Trevor Rabin wannabe that is.

Just what I expected from you, douche nugget:

No denial whatsoever re: anything I just said about your track record here.

And I confess I'm not too familiar with Trevor Rabin's work, but it's probably a safe bet that he's done considerably better business than an amateur hack like you.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Just what I expected from you, douche nugget:

No denial whatsoever re: anything I just said about your track record here.

And I confess I'm not too familiar with Trevor Rabin's work, but it's probably a safe bet that he's done considerably better business than an amateur hack like you.

If you consider yourself a session player and you dont know about Rabin's work, then you probably arent getting too much work yourself.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

If you consider yourself a session player and you dont know about Rabin's work, then you probably arent getting too much work yourself.

:giggle:

Gotta love that "logic."

[epicSocialism4tw]

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[Bronco_Beerslug]

I imagine some day in the future all passengers will be escorted to a private area and be required to change into TSA approved flight suits and all personal items will be x-rayed and stored in another section of the airplane. I could even see luggage going on a separate fight. I highly doubt it. All airline security will be privatized in this country in the coming years IMO. Before we reach that point we will find another mode of travel or more than likely already have killed ourselves and the planet.

[Obushma]

Freedom Watch 11-18 Part 1

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Who would have known, George Soros sold 11,000 shares of the company who produces the scanners two days ago.

[DenverBrit]

Freedom Watch 11-18 Part 1

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Who would have known, George Soros sold 11,000 shares of the company who produces the scanners two days ago.

So what, he's no dummy, those shares are about to tank.

Soros has been selling off US equities since Aug, selling 11,000 body scanner shares is nothing.

But go ahead and join in another idiot Beck conspiracy.

Gone are Soros's investments in Petrobras, Brazil's oil giant, with investments in bellwether stocks such as Wal-Mart, JP Morgan Chase and Pfizer drastically reduced, cut by 99pc, 97pc and 95pc respectively.

Of those equities that do remain, the fund's holding in a gold exchange traded fund constitutes his largest investment, some 13pc of the equity portfolio, worth $638m.

Although neither Mr Soros of his fund typically do not explain their quarterly investment decisions, it is likely some of the money has been shifted into government bonds, as well as investing in commodities and other safe havens.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Airports consider congressman's call to ditch TSA (AP) (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylc=X3oDMTJhajJ2bWxoBF9TAzM5ODMwMTAzOARnc3RhdGUDM QRwb3MDNgRzZWMDbndfdG9wc3RvcmllcwRzbGsDdGl0bGUEdGF yA25ld3MueWFob28uY29t/SIG=14d8e2nba/**http%3A//us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/rss/topstories/*http%3A//news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101119/ap_on_go_ot/us_airport_security_private_screeners)

[DenverBrit]

TSA is a bloated and officious gov dept that needs to be reigned in.

TSA employees are not only intrusive beyond reason, but rude and arrogant.

TSA claim the 'scans' are not saved, but they are and for what purpose?

The current procedures are probably overkill simply because they don't want to 'profile.'
Obama needs to step in here and show some leadership....the complaints about the scanners are not partisan.......they come from everyone!

[gyldenlove]

TSA is a bloated and officious gov dept that needs to be reigned in.

TSA employees are not only intrusive beyond reason, but rude and arrogant.

TSA claim the 'scans' are not saved, but they are and for what purpose?

The current procedures are probably overkill simply because they don't want to 'profile.'
Obama needs to step in here and show some leadership....the complaints about the scanners are not partisan.......they come from everyone!

Last weekend I went through Detroit Metro and Denver International. In Detroit it is mandatory scans or full pat downs for everyone including infants, pregnant women and pensioners. In Denver the full scan or pat down is only on selected travelers (I assume people who fail the metal detector or are lumpy).

Right now the TSA is completely out of control, the employees are clearly not qualified to be in control of airport safety (I guess that is what you get with minimum wage) and the agency as a whole is completely out of touch with the real world.

I understand the traditional metal detector and taking off the belt and such so you can go through without it beeping, taking off shoes is a bit ridiculous and the porn scan and full pat down is beyond inane. Here is what I don't get, the TSA were notified about the underwear bomber and did nothing, so now they are using their own incompetence as reason for genital area pat downs? Wouldn't the obvious answer be to put an actual law enforcement agency in charge, get rid of the incompetence and then there is no need for these scanners or the mass groping.

[Rohirrim]

If you consider yourself a session player and you dont know about Rabin's work, then you probably arent getting too much work yourself.

You've got to be one of the most ****ed up people I've ever seen.

You chastise others for ad hominem attacks, and then you take the personal assaults to a whole other, gutter level, even seeking out posters' personal info so you can smear them.

[Rohirrim]

Last weekend I went through Detroit Metro and Denver International. In Detroit it is mandatory scans or full pat downs for everyone including infants, pregnant women and pensioners. In Denver the full scan or pat down is only on selected travelers (I assume people who fail the metal detector or are lumpy).

Right now the TSA is completely out of control, the employees are clearly not qualified to be in control of airport safety (I guess that is what you get with minimum wage) and the agency as a whole is completely out of touch with the real world.

I understand the traditional metal detector and taking off the belt and such so you can go through without it beeping, taking off shoes is a bit ridiculous and the porn scan and full pat down is beyond inane. Here is what I don't get, the TSA were notified about the underwear bomber and did nothing, so now they are using their own incompetence as reason for genital area pat downs? Wouldn't the obvious answer be to put an actual law enforcement agency in charge, get rid of the incompetence and then there is no need for these scanners or the mass groping.

What you have basically is McDonald's employees feeling up your wife's genitals.

Where the hell did the revolutionary spirit of this country go? We should be telling the government to go **** itself over this ****. Instead, we line up like cows being led to the milking barn.

[TailgateNut]

TSA is a bloated and officious gov dept that needs to be reigned in.

TSA employees are not only intrusive beyond reason, but rude and arrogant.

TSA claim the 'scans' are not saved, but they are and for what purpose?

The current procedures are probably overkill simply because they don't want to 'profile.'
Obama needs to step in here and show some leadership....the complaints about the scanners are not partisan.......they come from everyone!


I don't know why the make such a big deal out of frisking passengers when millions of #s go into the cargo hold on passenger planes and air freight lines.

I remember flying out of Reagen Intl. a few years back and I wanted to check two big boxes of Seafood I picked up on the coast. The called me back and told me I had to open the sealed boxes for an inspection. So I was directed to an area with inspectors with nice blue latex gloves. I told them one contained a bushel of live clams and the other a bushel of Blue Crab. They argued with me, telling me that I could bring them aboard, upon which I replied that I had done so numerous times before. The inspector scurried to the "back" only to return and tell me it would be ok if they could check the boxes.
So I opened the box of clams and they sreached in and shuffled them around and told me ok. Then I opened up the box of Blue crabs. Anyone who as ever transported Blue crab knows that these little fuggers go into some sort of weird dream state when placed on and under wet newspaper. So this guy reaches in, as he had done with the clams (because the crabs seemed dead). BIG surprise!!:spit: So then I am face with these two giant goons arguing as to which one would check the box.:spit: They decided the crabs would be fine.

Moral of the story: I could have smuggled a pound of Cocaine or a pound of explosives onto that flight if I wanted too. No one would have been the wiser.


Another time I flew back from Aruba and went through Aruban Customs and American Homeland Security with the wrong airline ticket. No one, not even myself was aware until I tried to take my seat on the plane and someone was allready in my seat. Turns out that I had shown everyone my tix from Miami to Denver not the Boarding pass from Oranjestadt to Miami.

Yep, we're sll safe, as long as we take off our shoes and "bend over".:spit::wiggle:

[Rohirrim]

Mmmmm. Box of live clams. Steamed. Lemon butter. Damn!

[TailgateNut]

Mmmmm. Box of live clams. Steamed. Lemon butter. Damn!

No doubt. All these "Fraidy Cats" are gonna **** up an age old tradition of bringing home fresh seafood feasts from coastal areas we visit.

The Clams on that particular visit came from Mobjack Bay in Va.. A bay which was a favorite fishing spot for me when I lived at the mouth of the York River for 13 years and the clams had just been harvested that morning out of the Chesapeake Bay.

I make Killer Crab Cakes......and fried Oysters....YUM!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

You've got to be one of the most ****ed up people I've ever seen.

You chastise others for ad hominem attacks, and then you take the personal assaults to a whole other, gutter level, even seeking out posters' personal info so you can smear them.

Indeed.

You also have to appreciate the "logic" he uses in his little smear:

I'm not a fan of one of his favorite players (a fact to which I tried to allude in a polite way.)

Therefore, I must not be getting paid. Ha!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

http://www.bartcop.com/dems-tsa-spineless.jpg

[JJJ]

What you have basically is McDonald's employees feeling up your wife's genitals.

Where the hell did the revolutionary spirit of this country go? We should be telling the government to go **** itself over this ****. Instead, we line up like cows being led to the milking barn.

That spirit died when people starting lining up for their welfare checks and food stamps.

[TailgateNut]

That spirit died when people starting lining up for their welfare checks and food stamps.


....but is due for a return when the serfs pick up their axes and pitchforks to kill the ueberwealthy and their bought and paid for representatives.

You might not like what you wish for.


That's why I've always treated my employees with respect and shared the rewards reaped due to their hard work.

[JJJ]

....but is due for a return when the serfs pick up their axes and pitchforks to kill the ueberwealthy and their bought and paid for representatives.

You might not like what you wish for.


That's why I've always treated my employees with respect and shared the rewards reaped due to their hard work.

You treat them with respect because you fear them?

I treat mine with respect and bonuses because they have earned it.

[TailgateNut]

You treat them with respect because you fear them?

I treat mine with respect and bonuses because they have earned it.


Where do you get this from, you ****ing flaming idiot. Someone needs to kick you in your puss.

[baja]

Where do you get this from, you ****ing flaming idiot. Someone needs to kick you in your puss.

JJJ is the new American - it's either something in the water or Chemtrails.

[JJJ]

Where do you get this from, you ****ing flaming idiot. Someone needs to kick you in your puss.

From your post.

[That One Guy]

Very good point about the lawsuit. They tried the same thing (in my opinion they're comparable) when they were subjecting female cadets at the Air Force academy to sexual assaults so as to train them in sexual assault resistance. Lawsuits finally set in and the AFA was found liable.

There's some rights you can't be forced to surrender.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Indeed.

You also have to appreciate the "logic" he uses in his little smear:

I'm not a fan of one of his favorite players (a fact to which I tried to allude in a polite way.)

Therefore, I must not be getting paid. Ha!

No, I save those for you. I could care less what Rohirrim does with his time.

You, however, are a shill for the DNC and you have made that very clear here over time. Its very likely that you receive paychecks from some sort of progressive PAC. Either that or welfare, I cant decide which is more likely.

As a politician coming into these forums, you are fair game.

[epicSocialism4tw]

TSA is a bloated and officious gov dept that needs to be reigned in.

TSA employees are not only intrusive beyond reason, but rude and arrogant.

TSA claim the 'scans' are not saved, but they are and for what purpose?

The current procedures are probably overkill simply because they don't want to 'profile.'
Obama needs to step in here and show some leadership....the complaints about the scanners are not partisan.......they come from everyone!

Amen.

When the government literally has people putting their hands down innocent citizens' pants, its time to take another look at how to deal with the problem because the "everyones guilty until proven innocent" method is one of the worst things to happen in this country in a long time.

Whats next...internment camps for everybody so that nobody's heritage is insulted?

[Pony Boy]

$11,000 fine, arrest possible for some who refuse airport scans and pat downs

The Transportation Security Administration (TSA) is warning that any would-be commercial airline passenger who enters an airport checkpoint and then refuses to undergo the method of inspection designated by TSA will not be allowed to fly and also will not be permitted to simply leave the airport.

That person will have to remain on the premises to be questioned by the TSA and possibly by local law enforcement. Anyone refusing faces fines up to $11,000 and possible arrest.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/business/sfl-airport-scans-pat-downs-refual-20101121,0,5604032.story

[epicSocialism4tw]

You treat them with respect because you fear them?

I treat mine with respect and bonuses because they have earned it.

A very short post that says an awful lot.

Very nice.

[baja]

You treat them with respect because you fear them?

I treat mine with respect and bonuses because they have earned it.

Dude my guess is the only 'employee' you are in charge of is the monkey dancing to your organ grinder music at your place of business on the corner of Colfax & Main.

[Pony Boy]

Dude my guess is the only 'employee' you are in charge of is the monkey dancing to your organ grinder music at your place of business on the corner of Colfax & Main.

That's Racist :afro:

[baja]

That's Racist :afro:

No, this would be racist;

http://brianakira.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/president-rahm-organ-grinder-obama-monkey.jpg?w=450&h=600

[TailgateNut]

A very short post that says an awful lot.

Very nice.


WTF do you know. You have "created" no jobs to date. The only one you'll ever create is the one for your "undertaker".

[epicSocialism4tw]

WTF do you know. You have "created" no jobs to date. The only one you'll ever create is the one for your "undertaker".

Ha!

You have no idea who I am or what I have done.

And yes, I have created jobs. I started doing it when I was 16.

[cutthemdown]

If you don't like it don't fly.

[That One Guy]

If you don't like it don't fly.

That's not a practical solution quite often anymore.

For example, I was telling my wife about it this morning. She's military. She can't just say no when they tell her to fly somewhere. What would be her simple solution to this?

[Pony Boy]

If you don't like it don't fly.

It's completely ridiculous to scan and pat down the pilots, the flight attendants yes but the pilots no.

[DenverBrit]

It's completely ridiculous to scan and pat down the pilots, the flight attendants yes but the pilots no.

Pilots get OK to skip stepped-up airport screening

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2010/11/19/national/w105438S75.DTL#ixzz15rONq5WC

[baja]

I think people should show for their flight with a load of shiit in their pants and let them fuc.kers squeeze that.

[baja]

If you don't like it don't fly.

Soon as some towel head sticks a stick of diamante up his ass and blows himself and a plane load of people to hell are you going to be on board for a cavity search every time you fly?

[That One Guy]

Soon as some towel head sticks a stick of diamante up his ass and blows himself and a plane load of people to hell are you going to be on board for a cavity search every time you fly?

Haha, well said.

I wasn't necessarily opposed to the Patriot act as it wasn't something that could just be exploited for fun or to be a pain. You'd also never know anything was happening.

Here, the violation feeling can be very real. It's also subjective so all someone needs to do is decide you're suspicious to be a pain.

I don't know if my opinion wasn't well thought out or if it was even reasonable to expect we'd come to this but if this is a byproduct of the "anything goes" attitude after the Patriot Act, I definitely change my opinion on it.

[Pony Boy]

Soon as some towel head sticks a stick of diamante up his ass and blows himself and a plane load of people to hell are you going to be on board for a cavity search every time you fly?

This is why racial profiling is just fine with me ..........

[Drek]

This is why racial profiling is just fine with me ..........
Better yet, lets stop wasting everyone's time and start valuing personal freedom over security.

You can completely do away with TSA as far as I'm concerned. If I happen to be on a plane where some psycho blows us all up then so be it, I died a free man in a free land. Hell of a lot better than the progressive loss of privacy and civil liberties we're seeing in this nation today.

And all because after 9-11 a bunch of people felt scared. ****ing pussies.

[snowspot66]

Honest question here and maybe it's been asked before but I lose track of threads pretty quick.

Why are we spending millions on extra personnel and potentially dangerous machines when we could just put dozens of trained dogs at every check point for a fraction of the cost?

The Russians in particular seem to be developing some pretty good results using dogs. By domesticating and cross breeding jackals (if I remember the species correctly, saw it on Discovery or something like that) they've come up with a breed of dog that can smell a grain of explosive residue in a plastic bag so small it's not visible to the naked eye. And it's quite small and cute so there's no issue with it there.

They can smell cancer and predict seizures. God only knows what else they can do. All this other crap we do just seems useless.

[baja]

Better yet, lets stop wasting everyone's time and start valuing personal freedom over security.

You can completely do away with TSA as far as I'm concerned. If I happen to be on a plane where some psycho blows us all up then so be it, I died a free man in a free land. Hell of a lot better than the progressive loss of privacy and civil liberties we're seeing in this nation today.

And all because after 9-11 a bunch of people felt scared. ****ing pussies.

I would also guess now that people understand a plane could be used as a weapon to smash into a target there is no way in hell four guys with box cutters would be able to pul off another 9/11.

I'm sure people thought that 9/11 was just another hijack and it would be OK eventually, had they known they were destined to become dust along with the World Trade Center and it's 3000 other victims they would have rushed the pricks and it would have been over in two minutes.

[elsid13]

Honest question here and maybe it's been asked before but I lose track of threads pretty quick.

Why are we spending millions on extra personnel and potentially dangerous machines when we could just put dozens of trained dogs at every check point for a fraction of the cost?

The Russians in particular seem to be developing some pretty good results using dogs. By domesticating and cross breeding jackals (if I remember the species correctly, saw it on Discovery or something like that) they've come up with a breed of dog that can smell a grain of explosive residue in a plastic bag so small it's not visible to the naked eye. And it's quite small and cute so there's no issue with it there.

They can smell cancer and predict seizures. God only knows what else they can do. All this other crap we do just seems useless.

Because we have to many engineers trying to solve problems like this and they always go with "cool" technical solution when a change in operations/process or low cost alternative is available.

[That One Guy]

Honest question here and maybe it's been asked before but I lose track of threads pretty quick.

Why are we spending millions on extra personnel and potentially dangerous machines when we could just put dozens of trained dogs at every check point for a fraction of the cost?

The Russians in particular seem to be developing some pretty good results using dogs. By domesticating and cross breeding jackals (if I remember the species correctly, saw it on Discovery or something like that) they've come up with a breed of dog that can smell a grain of explosive residue in a plastic bag so small it's not visible to the naked eye. And it's quite small and cute so there's no issue with it there.

They can smell cancer and predict seizures. God only knows what else they can do. All this other crap we do just seems useless.

I can't vouch for any validity but I've always been told you can ruin a sniffing dog for days by having red pepper around. How hard would it be to conceal explosives with pepper?

Just what I've heard. And it would surely be suspicious when the dog starts flipping out. Doesn't mean you couldn't have people going through nonstop for a day or two with pepper to ruin their screen then sneak in behind them though.

[TonyR]

Linked below is a great article on Israeli airport security. Not really feasible in this country for various reasons but still much to learn from them.

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/744199---israelification-high-security-little-bother

[DenverBrit]

The Gov could save us all a lot of time and money by adopting something along the lines of a Clear Pass. http://www.clearme.com/

Too expensive for casual travelers and only just getting back up and running, but by making it a serious option at all airports the cost would come way down and shorten the lines.

There has to be a better way to handle security than the 'scanner/groping' option or cavity searches will be next.

[DenverBrit]

These stories will, unfortunately, become commonplace until some common sense takes over.

TSA pat-down leaves traveler covered in urine
'I was absolutely humiliated,' said bladder cancer survivor

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40291856/ns/travel-news#

TSA forces cancer survivor to show prosthetic breast
Some fliers with medical conditions call new airport security procedures 'humiliating'
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40278427/ns/travel-news?ns=travel-news

[That One Guy]

These stories will, unfortunately, become commonplace until some common sense takes over.

TSA pat-down leaves traveler covered in urine
'I was absolutely humiliated,' said bladder cancer survivor

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40291856/ns/travel-news#

TSA forces cancer survivor to show prosthetic breast
Some fliers with medical conditions call new airport security procedures 'humiliating'
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40278427/ns/travel-news?ns=travel-news

I hate to say it but we need the extreme to happen so people realize the issues.

Kinda like the frog in the water scenario. They keep taking it slow and people will keep saying, "If you don't like it, don't fly".

If they go absurd with it quickly, it'll catch headlines and that reactive congress we've just put together will be forced to respond.

[DenverBrit]

I hate to say it but we need the extreme to happen so people realize the issues.

Kinda like the frog in the water scenario. They keep taking it slow and people will keep saying, "If you don't like it, don't fly".

If they go absurd with it quickly, it'll catch headlines and that reactive congress we've just put together will be forced to respond.

I think you're exactly right. The more extreme and absurd TSA appears, the quicker we will see some action.

TSA is putting unqualified, min wage people in a position of power, and it shows in their often abusive and officious behavior.

Customs and immigration personnel have proper training and it shows when compared to TSA.

TSA is supposed to keep us safe, not humiliate us.

[baja]

These stories will, unfortunately, become commonplace until some common sense takes over.

TSA pat-down leaves traveler covered in urine
'I was absolutely humiliated,' said bladder cancer survivor

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40291856/ns/travel-news#

TSA forces cancer survivor to show prosthetic breast
Some fliers with medical conditions call new airport security procedures 'humiliating'
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40278427/ns/travel-news?ns=travel-news

I'm nervous they are going to doubt my 16 inch penis and ask to see it.

[DenverBrit]

I'm nervous they are going to doubt my 16 inch penis and ask to see it.

Internet 16 inches?? ;D

[baja]

Internet 16 inches?? ;D

OK that does it I'm gonna post a picture of Marvin.

[Pony Boy]

I'm nervous they are going to doubt my 16 inch penis and ask to see it.


Baja at the Beach......ROFL!

27552

[epicSocialism4tw]

These stories will, unfortunately, become commonplace until some common sense takes over.

TSA pat-down leaves traveler covered in urine
'I was absolutely humiliated,' said bladder cancer survivor

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40291856/ns/travel-news#

TSA forces cancer survivor to show prosthetic breast
Some fliers with medical conditions call new airport security procedures 'humiliating'
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40278427/ns/travel-news?ns=travel-news

What have we turned into?

I never thought I'd see the day when Orwellian America hit full stride. We are there now.

Wake up, folks.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I think people should show for their flight with a load of shiit in their pants and let them fuc.kers squeeze that.

You win this thread.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I know people who are TSA agents at our local airport, which happens to be one of the biggest in the world.

I'll just say that it doesnt take much to get that job. It doesnt even require a high school diploma.

Those are the people who touch your junk.

[gyldenlove]

I know people who are TSA agents at our local airport, which happens to be one of the biggest in the world.

I'll just say that it doesnt take much to get that job. It doesnt even require a high school diploma.

Those are the people who touch your junk.

It is a little odd, when I go over the bridge to Detroit, I have to go through customs every time, those people are professionals and even though they are not all from the deep end of the gene pool, at least you can tell they have basic knowledge of what is going on.

When you get to Detroit Metro airport and have to deal with the TSA, you get the feeling you could cause some serious mayhem if you had a big enough bunch of bananas. In Denver I had to go through security, I took a bin and put my small laptop in it, and in the other side of the bin I put my passport, boarding pass and watch, but the TSA agent told me to get another bin because the laptop can't be in the same bin as the watch, passport and boarding card despite there being several inches between them.

[baja]

I love that I have to toss my water and then I get to buy another after I get through security for 4 dollars but you better drink it before you board the plane because they take the new one (that you paid a premium for) after it had cleared security away from you. Where's the threat in that?

Early on in this insanity the took my finger nail clippers away (I wondered out loud how I might hijack a plane with finger nail clippers and almost got put in a padded room for it) but I gave it up and moved on to my gate. I stopped in a little gift shop near my gate to buy a paper and guess what I saw for sale? That's right fingernail clippers.

[epicSocialism4tw]

It is a little odd, when I go over the bridge to Detroit, I have to go through customs every time, those people are professionals and even though they are not all from the deep end of the gene pool, at least you can tell they have basic knowledge of what is going on.

When you get to Detroit Metro airport and have to deal with the TSA, you get the feeling you could cause some serious mayhem if you had a big enough bunch of bananas. In Denver I had to go through security, I took a bin and put my small laptop in it, and in the other side of the bin I put my passport, boarding pass and watch, but the TSA agent told me to get another bin because the laptop can't be in the same bin as the watch, passport and boarding card despite there being several inches between them.

The crappy thing about that whole deal is that they will be exposed to radiation from those machines and they generally arent educated enough to fully understand the risks.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I never thought I'd see the day when Orwellian America hit full stride. We are there now.


Ha ha ha! Ha!


You "never thought you'd see the day?"

During the Bush years, whenever anyone suggested we were headed in that direction, your response was to yell "traitor!" and post one of your cute little tin foil hat pics.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Ha ha ha! Ha!


You "never thought you'd see the day?"

During the Bush years, whenever anyone suggested we were headed in that direction, your response was to yell "traitor!" and post one of your cute little tin foil hat pics.

Oh yeah?

Got some proof?

Of course not.

[That One Guy]

I've always been a fan of profiling so I think I always said the probing of the few for the benefit of the many would suffice for me. I'm not a fan of probing everyone though. I probably wouldn't be a fan if I were part of the few either.

And I think there's an extra element to these things happening since we know about them that hits our dignity more. We know and everyone else knows we're getting touched and groped and that hurts our dignity more than if someone investigates us under the Patriot Act.

Also, at least under the Patriot Act, there had to be some semblance of a reason to investigate a person. I think there'd have been outcry against the Patriot Act if it had stipulated something like all phone calls are to be recorded for later reviewing.

If the groping was just for those that absolutely couldn't make it through a metal detector without setting it off, I think everyone would look at it differently.

[Pony Boy]

If the groping was just for those that absolutely couldn't make it through a metal detector without setting it off, I think everyone would look at it differently.

In my case I'm a Sky miles elite flyer and some of the major airports have a fast-track security line that bypasses the full body scan and runs me through a metal detector and a quick pat-down. But like I said that was my first time with the full genital area pat-down. Next time I will take the full body scan, I have no problem with getting through that one.

I think I would rather have a TSA woman security screener feel my junk than a man, if given a choice. It's the same procedure that a person arrested would go through before being put in a jail cell, so there is a complete loss of dignity involved. I don't think it would be any better to have a dog sniff my crotch........

[cutthemdown]

It's a lot better then having your plane blow up.

[Pony Boy]

It's a lot better then having your plane blow up.

I don't have a problem with it but cut out the BS and start profiling passengers before they get on the plane. The fast track line I was in was also for fight attendants and pilots. WTF are they looking in a pilots briefcase for, spend the time and money somewhere else. If a pilot wants to take down an airplane all he needs are his two bare hands. I want that guy with a towel wrapped around his head body cavity searched if he's flying in the USA....

[baja]

How about we start flying naked. We could call it "Bare Air"

[baja]

Or Junk & Booty Travel.

[TonyR]

The last president of the United States brags openly about ordering people to be tortured, and the current one asserts the authority to kill American citizens he believes to be terrorists overseas.

But most of these measures are either invisible enough to put out of mind or occur outside of what most Americans can imagine happening to them. As long as it's just Muslims being tortured and foreigners being detained indefinitely, the price we pay to feel secure seems all too abstract. The TSA's new passenger-screening measures just happen to fall on the political and economic elites who can make their complaints heard. It's not happening to those scary Arabs anymore. It's happening to "us."

http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=why_we_are_angry_at_the_tsa

[Rohirrim]

Al Queda won. Hands down. This country has completely unraveled since 9/11.

[baja]

Al Queda won. Hands down. This country has completely unraveled since 9/11.

Assuming they did the deed.

The single best act to rally hope and numbers to terrorist groups around the world is to not pursue and capture ben Laden. Why did we do that?

[TonyR]

Al Queda won. Hands down. This country has completely unraveled since 9/11.

Yup, Bin Laden is the neocon puppetmaster. Made us scared, got us to start two wars, got us to shed blood on Muslim lands, and made us spend $trillions on the wars and homeland security. If it were the movie Se7en, we'd be the Brad Pitt character and he'd be the Kevin Spacey character. Remember who got what they wanted in the end via manipulation?

[Abqbronco]

I know people who are TSA agents at our local airport, which happens to be one of the biggest in the world.

I'll just say that it doesnt take much to get that job. It doesnt even require a high school diploma.

Those are the people who touch your junk.

I was looking for part time work a couple of years ago and applied with TSA. They have you take a couple of tests. One is writing and the other is looking at scanner pictures to identify possible weapons. It was very easy. I got a call a couple of days later congratulating me on my high scores. I knew right then that I would never work for them. Those tests are a joke and some of the guys were taking the test for the third time. They all said that the writing portion really got to them.

[DenverBrit]

I was looking for part time work a couple of years ago and applied with TSA. They have you take a couple of tests. One is writing and the other is looking at scanner pictures to identify possible weapons. It was very easy. I got a call a couple of days later congratulating me on my high scores. I knew right then that I would never work for them. Those tests are a joke and some of the guys were taking the test for the third time. They all said that the writing portion really got to them.

LOL Thanks, I feel much safer now. ;D

[epicSocialism4tw]

I was looking for part time work a couple of years ago and applied with TSA. They have you take a couple of tests. One is writing and the other is looking at scanner pictures to identify possible weapons. It was very easy. I got a call a couple of days later congratulating me on my high scores. I knew right then that I would never work for them. Those tests are a joke and some of the guys were taking the test for the third time. They all said that the writing portion really got to them.

The most questionable guy I know who works for the TSA is an African refugee immigrant. He had been here for 2 years at the time, in which he revealed himself to be literally a sexual predator. He had purchased his wife back in the home country for goats when she was 14. She had a couple of his children. He was physically and mentally abusive to her. He still tried to pick up young girls here. One day she disappeared and ran off to California. She was able to leave him here in the US, while she wasnt able to leave him back home.

He barely spoke english, was emotionally uneven, and had a terrible track record. He wasnt a charmer or anything like that, he was rather socially forceful.

I have no idea why they hired him.

[TailgateNut]

The most questionable guy I know who works for the TSA is an African refugee immigrant. He had been here for 2 years at the time, in which he revealed himself to be literally a sexual predator. He had purchased his wife back in the home country for goats when she was 14. She had a couple of his children. He was physically and mentally abusive to her. He still tried to pick up young girls here. One day she disappeared and ran off to California. She was able to leave him here in the US, while she wasnt able to leave him back home.

He barely spoke english, was emotionally uneven, and had a terrible track record. He wasnt a charmer or anything like that, he was rather socially forceful.

I have no idea why they hired him.


LOLYou're sorta like Noah was with animals. You KNOW at least one of each type of person in the US. You sure do socialize in all circlesHilarious!

[Requiem]

You can't know someone if you are culturally ignorant. His post about that guy pretty much sums that up to a T.

[epicSocialism4tw]

LOLYou're sorta like Noah was with animals. You KNOW at least one of each type of person in the US. You sure do socialize in all circlesHilarious!

I work with refugees. I know people from just about everywhere in the world. I went to college at an international school where I competed with, worked with, and befriended people from all over the world. I also served the illegal immigrant population here in Texas for about 10 yeras.

I didnt learn much language other than some barely functional Texas Spanglish though. Ha!

[That One Guy]

Al Queda won. Hands down. This country has completely unraveled since 9/11.

I was just thinking about that the other day. I remembered hearing "If you... then the terrorists win" and thought "If you physically search every single passenger flying in a plane then the terrorists win".

[Requiem]

I just watched Team America: World Police last night.


http://www.celluloid-dreams.de/content/images/kritiken-filmbilder/team-america-world-police/team-america-world-police-1.jpg

[Requiem]

I didnt learn much language other than some barely functional Texas Spanglish though. Ha!

That is too bad. You would have thought someone as culturally sound as you would give it the go and try to learn other languages. You know, languages are probably one of the best ways in being able to understand, appreciate and analyze people from different walks of life. Fail.

[baja]

The most questionable guy I know who works for the TSA is an African refugee immigrant. He had been here for 2 years at the time, in which he revealed himself to be literally a sexual predator. He had purchased his wife back in the home country for goats when she was 14. She had a couple of his children. He was physically and mentally abusive to her. He still tried to pick up young girls here. One day she disappeared and ran off to California. She was able to leave him here in the US, while she wasnt able to leave him back home.

He barely spoke english, was emotionally uneven, and had a terrible track record. He wasnt a charmer or anything like that, he was rather socially forceful.

I have no idea why they hired him.

Maybe it was your character reference. ;D

[cutthemdown]

Just go through the scanners. Big deal. If you don't like it tough. IMO anyone refusing the scanners should be told to ride a bus then.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Just go through the scanners. Big deal. If you don't like it tough. IMO anyone refusing the scanners should be told to ride a bus then.

Yeah, because its no big deal to lend TSA an unreasonable amount of trust to handle the pictures of your nude body professionally. 3500 of those things have already leaked out.

If you are a teacher, a preacher, a pastor, a doctor, a politician, or a celebrity, those pictures can be detrimental to your profession if they get to the wrong people. This is the internet age. Your nude pictures can end up online.

There's no reason to trust TSA to protect your best interests.

[Rohirrim]

I wonder what hits you get if you Google "genital pat down?" Ha!

[epicSocialism4tw]

As you travel this holiday season, be sure to eat things that create methane gas in your bowels. You know, the type of deeply nasty methane gas that almost burns the nostrils.

While Mr. TSA caresses your genitals from behind, give him a nice warm face greeting to make him feel comfortable.

[snowspot66]

Good news everybody!

http://www.denverpost.com/watercooler/ci_16675324

A guy just came up with a powdered metal lining for clothes that blocks the x-rays from those fancy new and expensive machines. Oh and it doesn't set off metal detectors either.

I guess they'll just have to upgrade those pat downs to full on sexual assault and rape while the engineers come up with more expensive machines of dubious safety.

[DenverBrit]

As you travel this holiday season, be sure to eat things that create methane gas in your bowels. You know, the type of deeply nasty methane gas that almost burns the nostrils.

While Mr. TSA caresses your genitals from behind, give him a nice warm face greeting to make him feel comfortable.

Sounds like a WMD! You're asking for a cavity search. Ha!

[epicSocialism4tw]

Sounds like a WMD! You're asking for a cavity search.

If he questions your motives, just tell him that his sweet caress made you feel so relaxed that you couldnt control your external anal sphincter.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Another technique...

As the TSA screener tries to go about his duties molesting you in as many ways allowed by the law, try to bump the guy's face in between your butt cheeks in as many ways you can manage. Pretend that you are confused about which way you should move, where you should stand, etc. Bend over and strategically introduce his nose to your taint multiple times. Stammer around and mutter while you're landing the butt-face moves one after the next to make your "confusion" more believable.

Keep points and compete with your fellow travelers.

10 points for a bullseye
7 points for any butt-face contact
3 points for forcing the screener to dodge.

[That One Guy]

This just continues to get worse. From Failblog:

http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/1e9ad8bd-1fc3-4add-a5aa-7da5bf91a787.jpg

:~ohyah!:

[epicSocialism4tw]

This just continues to get worse. From Failblog:

http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/1e9ad8bd-1fc3-4add-a5aa-7da5bf91a787.jpg

:~ohyah!:

...and we couldnt see that one coming from a mile away.

Expect our government's Baghdad Bob to come and assure us again that everything's okay.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Oh yeah?

Got some proof?

Of course not.

Are you kidding me?

Are you really denying that you dismissed anyone who pointed out the Orwellian direction America was headed (a direction which you now acknowledge) as a conspiracy loon when Bush was in office?

Amazing how you can deny something so many people here have witnessed on so many occasions.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

http://www.bartcop.com/susp-terror2.gif

[TonyR]

Another technique...

I know you're kidding to some degree, and we're in agreement that this whole TSA thing is a mess, but these people are just doing their jobs. Should a Christian really be advocating making people's jobs more difficult? Put yourself in their position.

[Pony Boy]

I know you're kidding to some degree, and we're in agreement that this whole TSA thing is a mess, but these people are just doing their jobs. Should a Christian really be advocating making people's jobs more difficult? Put yourself in their position.

It's all just a bunch of talk.......you can bet your ass passengers trying to get home for Thankgiving are keeing thier mouth shut and going through the drill.........

[That One Guy]

I know you're kidding to some degree, and we're in agreement that this whole TSA thing is a mess, but these people are just doing their jobs. Should a Christian really be advocating making people's jobs more difficult? Put yourself in their position.

While I understand what you're saying, I think complaints from both sides will make things change faster.

I read an article the other day where the union reps for the TSA workers were saying they had quite a few reports of their workers being shoved, hit, yelled at, etc.

If everyone peacefully goes along with it, we're just gonna accept it in our daily lives and the heat will continue to be turned up gradually until we're boiled. I don't ever advocate breaking laws but I do advocate making a scene when a decision has been made arbitrarily and there's no real recourse.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I know you're kidding to some degree, and we're in agreement that this whole TSA thing is a mess, but these people are just doing their jobs. Should a Christian really be advocating making people's jobs more difficult? Put yourself in their position.

You have a misguided underdstanding of Christianity. I fault the school system for the general ignorance of people in America as to what Christianity is.

The disciples risked their lives daily for years and years to be Christians. It was literally illegal to be a Christian. They met in tombs. They communicated in secret code.

Christians are not asked by God to be doormats and to be walked upon. We are called to pray for our enemies and to be peacemakers, but when it comes time to fight, Jesus tells us that no man could do a greater thing than to lay down his life for his friends.

Its like what happens here on this forum. All the godless people here believe that they can walk all over Christians and Christians are required by their faith not to fight back. Thats a bunch of garbage. Bullies deserve to be beaten back.

[epicSocialism4tw]

While I understand what you're saying, I think complaints from both sides will make things change faster.

I read an article the other day where the union reps for the TSA workers were saying they had quite a few reports of their workers being shoved, hit, yelled at, etc.

If everyone peacefully goes along with it, we're just gonna accept it in our daily lives and the heat will continue to be turned up gradually until we're boiled. I don't ever advocate breaking laws but I do advocate making a scene when a decision has been made arbitrarily and there's no real recourse.

Its our job to fight injustice.

What honor do we have if we allow injustice to be forced upon our fellow citizens?

[TonyR]

We are called to pray for our enemies and to be peacemakers, but when it comes time to fight, Jesus tells us that no man could do a greater thing than to lay down his life for his friends.

Yes but here is where a person needs to show the restraint and perspective that you clearly don't have. The low wage TSA people are not the enemy. They don't deserve to get sh*t on by people like you. You're yelling at the waitress because your steak is overcooked. Genius, she didn't cook it!

[epicSocialism4tw]

Yes but here is where a person needs to show the restraint and perspective that you clearly don't have. The low wage TSA people are not the enemy. They don't deserve to get sh*t on by people like you. You're yelling at the waitress because your steak is overcooked. Genius, she didn't cook it!

Its always funny to hear pseudochristian morality preached to Christians by non-Christians.

Stick to what you know.

...and you have no sense of humor, which we already knew.

[TailgateNut]

You have a misguided underdstanding of Christianity. I fault the school system for the general ignorance of people in America as to what Christianity is.

The disciples risked their lives daily for years and years to be Christians. It was literally illegal to be a Christian. They met in tombs. They communicated in secret code.

Christians are not asked by God to be doormats and to be walked upon. We are called to pray for our enemies and to be peacemakers, but when it comes time to fight, Jesus tells us that no man could do a greater thing than to lay down his life for his friends.

Its like what happens here on this forum. All the godless people here believe that they can walk all over Christians and Christians are required by their faith not to fight back. Thats a bunch of garbage. Bullies deserve to be beaten back.



Hilarious!

[Requiem]

We ain't Godless, we just ain't stupid.

[cutthemdown]

Yeah, because its no big deal to lend TSA an unreasonable amount of trust to handle the pictures of your nude body professionally. 3500 of those things have already leaked out.

If you are a teacher, a preacher, a pastor, a doctor, a politician, or a celebrity, those pictures can be detrimental to your profession if they get to the wrong people. This is the internet age. Your nude pictures can end up online.

There's no reason to trust TSA to protect your best interests.

Meh I saw those images they aren't much. If they get leaked then you investigate and punish. We can police the data IMO and it is a small price to pay for a device that shows a ton of things a reg xray won't.

I don't think the public would really have a backlash on a priest, or a doctor, or anyone for that matter whose image was released. Maybe some embarassment but that also a small price to pay for safer planes.

I also though don't have a problem with having one line for people who look Arab, and then another line for all of us. But in a PC world we can't do that so we have to do it this way.

[cutthemdown]

I'm far more concerned about ruling like the police can put gps on your car without a warrant. Things like cameras up everywhere and courts that seem to think we have no privacy anywhere.

Make examples of the people who abuse the images. First ones you catch you fire them, prosecute them, fine them big time and make it non profitable.

Pass a law saying that any publication that uses a TSA image from a scanner will be fined etc etc. Plenty of ways to make that problem go away.

[Bronco Yoda]

and yet employees such as baggage handlers do not get screened at all at most airports still. Anyone else see a problem here?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

You have a misguided underdstanding of Christianity.

Hilarious!

Ironic statement of the year!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Had I witnessed the following, I don't think I would have been able to restrain myself from pushing that TSA dipsh*t's face through a wall...

Of all the indignities inflicted upon the flying public since 9/11, the radiation/molestation combo strikes me as relatively minor. I'm still scarred by the sight of the young Iraq War vet in front of me at Kansas City airport security. Both of his legs had been lost in an IED blast in the Middle East. Instead of respect or a free pass at the metal detector, TSA goons repeatedly grilled and humiliated him about the titanium in his body.

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/ted-rall/32721/rape-my-brain-but-dont-touch-my-junk-why-tsa-molesters-are-striking-a-nerve

[TonyR]

Santorum and Krauthammer blame a politically correct mentality that prevents profiling. But the Christmas bomber was Nigerian; the shoebomber, a Brit with a Jamaican father. Should we just give the "freedom fondle" to anyone vaguely swarthy? I have a different explanation for how we got here. For nearly a decade, Krauthammer, Santorum and too many others on the Right have relentlessly hyped and politicized the terrorist threat. But when every bungled attack -- no matter how inept -- gets the screeching siren treatment on Drudge, what do you expect that political dynamic to produce? Sober, sensible policy? Conservatives could stand to think more clearly about ideas and consequences, cause and effect.

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=12588

[gyldenlove]

and yet employees such as baggage handlers do not get screened at all at most airports still. Anyone else see a problem here?

TSA employees are barely screened, as of right now I think it would be easier to either buy off or simply get someone hired by the TSA than to sneak something through without getting noticed, although as Adam Savage proved, it is not that hard to sneak stuff through.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Santorum and Krauthammer blame a politically correct mentality that prevents profiling. But the Christmas bomber was Nigerian; the shoebomber, a Brit with a Jamaican father. Should we just give the "freedom fondle" to anyone vaguely swarthy? I have a different explanation for how we got here. For nearly a decade, Krauthammer, Santorum and too many others on the Right have relentlessly hyped and politicized the terrorist threat. But when every bungled attack -- no matter how inept -- gets the screeching siren treatment on Drudge, what do you expect that political dynamic to produce? Sober, sensible policy? Conservatives could stand to think more clearly about ideas and consequences, cause and effect.

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=12588

This is an out-of-touch, and just plain stupid commentary. It assumes that profiling only factors in country of origin, while the Israeli form of profiling that has been based on behavior and psychological profiles.

Its typical lefty moron gobbledeygook to suggest that immediately turning off the brain because you are afraid to step on the toes of a few people...while offending everyone in ways that we could not have imagined before and still not getting anything done. Not to mention the mindless acceptance of inefficiency and the destruction of civil liberties in ways we never thought would happen here in America.

[Meck77]

Meh...They can grab my nut sack as long as they grab a would be terrorists as well. Americans are just too damn fussy IMO. Hell leaving Canada earlier this year they basically strip searched me and interrogated the hell out of me. Almost didn't let me in their POS country for no good reason.

[mhgaffney]

Its our job to fight injustice.

What honor do we have if we allow injustice to be forced upon our fellow citizens?

Yes, and how do we do that, McSkillet?

By affirming the God-given rights of Capitalists to squeeze the poor and even the middle class -- to the last penny

even while they destroy the planetary ecosystem?

But this is no problem because, as we all know -- Jesus was a Capitalist!

In short -- McSkillet is from another planet and would not know Jesus if he kissed him on the cheek.

MHG

[TonyR]

Its typical lefty moron gobbledeygook...

LOL So now Cato is "lefty"? Actually, in your loony world, anyone who talks sense is "lefty".

[ghwk]

You have a misguided underdstanding of Christianity. I fault the school system for the general ignorance of people in America as to what Christianity is.

The disciples risked their lives daily for years and years to be Christians. It was literally illegal to be a Christian. They met in tombs. They communicated in secret code.

Christians are not asked by God to be doormats and to be walked upon. We are called to pray for our enemies and to be peacemakers, but when it comes time to fight, Jesus tells us that no man could do a greater thing than to lay down his life for his friends.

Its like what happens here on this forum. All the godless people here believe
that they can walk all over Christians and Christians are required by their faith not to fight back. Thats a bunch of garbage. Bullies deserve to be beaten back.

As this is why you scare the s&&t out of me. You substitute Muslim for Christianity in your argument and you sound just like Bin Laden providing the calm rational for flying planes into the towers.

I know you don't think so but you are a Christain Bin Laden. Your lack of awareness of this fact also is particularly disturbing.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

LOL So now Cato is "lefty"? Actually, in your loony world, anyone who talks sense is "lefty".

That's what McNutter does with all inconvenient facts and uncomfortable realities.

He files them away in this little cubbyhole he calls "lefty propaganda."

[epicSocialism4tw]

As this is why you scare the s&&t out of me. You substitute Muslim for Christianity in your argument and you sound just like Bin Laden providing the calm rational for flying planes into the towers.

I know you don't think so but you are a Christain Bin Laden. Your lack of awareness of this fact also is particularly disturbing.

Wow. Ha!

Talk about hyperbole. LOL

I didnt realize that I use my millions of inheritance money to fund insurgent organizations who trail on monkey bars and kill themselves to blow other people up.

Your silly little equivalency is so ridiculous that its hard to know where to start picking it apart. Hilarious!

[epicSocialism4tw]

LOL So now Cato is "lefty"? Actually, in your loony world, anyone who talks sense is "lefty".

"Progressive" is a better term.

To them "progress" is picking your civil liberties off one by one. They are making their progress.

[NUB]

I'm surprised there are people who support this. The "if you weren't the government this would be sexual assault" argument is, in my opinion, fairly strong when paired against, "we're looking for weapons inside your vagina/anus", held up by the pedestrian public. It's a total scam. That anyone could feel safer because the TSA -- a flimsy security net with an awful track record -- feels up anyone they wish is terribly misplaced confidence. America is basically going to lose its collective **** if we get hit again.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

"Progressive" is a better term.

To them "progress" is picking your civil liberties off one by one. They are making their progress.

ROFL!

Says the water carrier for the guy who brought you the Patriot Act, warrantless wiretaps, etc.

[TonyR]

"Progressive" is a better term.

To them "progress" is picking your civil liberties off one by one. They are making their progress.

D*psh*t, the Cato Institute is a libertarian organization.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

D*psh*t, the Cato Institute is a libertarian organization.

ROFL!

Wow.

Just wow.

[elsid13]

D*psh*t, the Cato Institute is a libertarian organization.

I understand the Heritage Foundation is also flying rainbow flags now.

[TonyR]

There are many instances of the partisan dynamic working in one direction here. That is, conservatives and Republicans who had no problem with strong-arm security measures back in the Bush 43 days but are upset now. Charles Krauthammer is the classic example: forthrightly defending torture as, in limited circumstances, a necessary tool against terrorism, yet now outraged about "touching my junk" as a symbol of the intrusive state.

But are there any cases of movement the other way? Illustrations of liberals or Democrats who denounced "security theater" and TSA/DHS excesses in the Republican era, but defend them now? If such people exist, I'm not aware of them -- and having beaten the "security theater" drum for many long years now, I've been on the lookout.

The anti-security theater alliance has always included right-wing and left-wing libertarians (both exist), ACLU-style liberals, limited-government-style conservatives, and however you would choose to classify the likes of Bruce Schneier or Jeffrey Goldberg (or me). I know of Republicans who, seemingly for partisan reasons like those Douthat lays out, have joined the anti-security theater chorus. For instance, former Sen. Rick Santorum. I don't know of a single Democrat or liberal who has peeled off and moved the opposite way just because Obama is in charge.

A harder case is Guantanamo, use of drones, and related martial-state issues. Yes, it's true that some liberals who were vociferous in denouncing such practices under Bush have piped down. But not all (cf Glenn Greenwald etc). And I don't know of any cases of Democrats who complained about these abuses before and now positively defend them as good parts of Obama's policy -- as opposed to inherited disasters he has not gone far enough to undo and eliminate.

So: it's nice and fair-sounding to say that the party-first principle applies to all sides in today's political debate. Like it would be nice and fair-sounding to say that Democrats and Republicans alike in Congress are contributing to obstructionism and party-bloc voting. Or that Fox News and NPR have equal-and-offsetting political agendas in covering the news. But it looks to me as if we're mostly talking about the way one side operates. Recognizing that is part of facing the reality of today's politics.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2010/11/in-which-i-become-a-conservative/67146/

[epicSocialism4tw]

There are many instances of the partisan dynamic working in one direction here. That is, conservatives and Republicans who had no problem with strong-arm security measures back in the Bush 43 days but are upset now. Charles Krauthammer is the classic example: forthrightly defending torture as, in limited circumstances, a necessary tool against terrorism, yet now outraged about "touching my junk" as a symbol of the intrusive state.

But are there any cases of movement the other way? Illustrations of liberals or Democrats who denounced "security theater" and TSA/DHS excesses in the Republican era, but defend them now? If such people exist, I'm not aware of them -- and having beaten the "security theater" drum for many long years now, I've been on the lookout.

The anti-security theater alliance has always included right-wing and left-wing libertarians (both exist), ACLU-style liberals, limited-government-style conservatives, and however you would choose to classify the likes of Bruce Schneier or Jeffrey Goldberg (or me). I know of Republicans who, seemingly for partisan reasons like those Douthat lays out, have joined the anti-security theater chorus. For instance, former Sen. Rick Santorum. I don't know of a single Democrat or liberal who has peeled off and moved the opposite way just because Obama is in charge.

A harder case is Guantanamo, use of drones, and related martial-state issues. Yes, it's true that some liberals who were vociferous in denouncing such practices under Bush have piped down. But not all (cf Glenn Greenwald etc). And I don't know of any cases of Democrats who complained about these abuses before and now positively defend them as good parts of Obama's policy -- as opposed to inherited disasters he has not gone far enough to undo and eliminate.

So: it's nice and fair-sounding to say that the party-first principle applies to all sides in today's political debate. Like it would be nice and fair-sounding to say that Democrats and Republicans alike in Congress are contributing to obstructionism and party-bloc voting. Or that Fox News and NPR have equal-and-offsetting political agendas in covering the news. But it looks to me as if we're mostly talking about the way one side operates. Recognizing that is part of facing the reality of today's politics.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2010/11/in-which-i-become-a-conservative/67146/

Ah yes.

Trying to politicize a universally disturbing situation.

Dude you are pathetic.

[TonyR]

Ah yes.

Trying to politicize a universally disturbing situation.

Dude you are pathetic.

LOL!!! Says the village idiot who first said Cato was "lefty", then backslid to "progressive", and then folded when it was pointed out that Cato, one of the most well known and influential think tanks in the world, is libertarian. What a dope.

And you don't like what I posted above both because it's 100% on the mark and because it hits a little too close to home for you.

[epicSocialism4tw]

LOL!!! Says the village idiot who first said Cato was "lefty", then backslid to "progressive", and then folded when it was pointed out that Cato, one of the most well known and influential think tanks in the world, is libertarian. What a dope.

And you don't like what I posted above both because it's 100% on the mark and because it hits a little too close to home for you.

Its fun watching your pathetic party squirm. Its just unfortunate that theyre taking the country down with them.

The Obama admin has screwed up royally with wikileaks.

Hillary Clinton burned bridges with the UN.

Major left-wing financiers have been easily toppled by Glenn Beck.

...the lefty world is going down in flames.

Smile.

I know I am smiling. ;D

[TonyR]

The Obama admin has screwed up royally with wikileaks.

Your whole post is a joke, hard to pick out the most ridiculous statement. The one above might most demand explanation.

And how about that lefty===>progressive Cato Institute? Heard of it yet? Have you googled or wikied it yet? Or busy stewing in your ignorance?

[epicSocialism4tw]

Your whole post is a joke, hard to pick out the most ridiculous statement. The one above might most demand explanation.

And how about that lefty===>progressive Cato Institute? Heard of it yet? Have you googled or wikied it yet? Or busy stewing in your ignorance?

The Obama admin had plenty of time to develop their own cyberwarfare to combat the release of those documents.

Instead, they did nothing.

Pathetic.

Now we have one of the most embarrassing political mistakes ever to happen to any country in the history of the world.

Thanks Obama.

Obama is not a leader of men. He is incapable of making the hard decisions.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

LOL!!! Says the village idiot who first said Cato was "lefty", then backslid to "progressive", and then folded when it was pointed out that Cato, one of the most well known and influential think tanks in the world, is libertarian. What a dope.


:yep: :giggle:

Still chuckling over the fact that McSpammer didn't know what Cato was.

No matter how many times McMoron puts his foot in his mouth, he's always back here broadcasting his ignorance the next day.

Some people are just incapable of experiencing a healthy sense of shame or embarrassment when their actions call for it, I guess.

[epicSocialism4tw]

:yep: :giggle:

Still chuckling over the fact that McSpammer didn't know what Cato was.

No matter how many times McMoron puts his foot in his mouth, he's always back here broadcasting his ignorance the next day.

Some people are just incapable of experiencing a healthy sense of shame or embarrassment when their actions call for it, I guess.
MOMMY!!!11!!!!! McSkillet wont let me be a divisive, lying putz!!!!! WAAAAAAAHHH!!!!!!11!11!!!
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_NAhq-qSijVw/SpP82SFk6BI/AAAAAAAAAQc/4ZFIo0haggI/s320/crying-child.jpg

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I know I should be embarrassed about the fact that I'm on a political discussion forum and I don't know what The Cato Institute is, but hey - this is the Internet.

Fixed. :thumbs: