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Jesterhole
11-08-2010, 06:14 AM
I remember a time when the Broncos head coach was considered the best in the business, and the smartest guy in the room. Seems like a long time ago...


From Peter King:

And then there's the Hillis deal. The Browns dealt backup quarterback Brady Quinn to Denver for Hillis in the spring, and if that's not a big-enough piece of highway robbery, consider this: Denver has to give Cleveland a sixth-round pick in the 2011 draft, and I'm told the Browns will also get a conditional pick in the 2012 draft -- a sixth-rounder or better, depending on Quinn's playing time. I mean, should Cleveland be giving Denver draft choices the way this thing is working out? Hillis is 11th in the NFL in rushing with 644 yards, and he's averaging a gaudy 4.8 yards per rush. Who'd have thought that could ever happen?

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/peter_king/11/07/mmqb-nfl-week-9/index.html#ixzz14hDCKjeS



From Don Banks:

Every time I watch Peyton Hillis run the ball, like he did for 184 tough yards and two touchdowns on Sunday, I wonder what in the world was it about his game that Denver head coach Josh McDaniels didn't like? I've heard that McDaniels questioned Hillis's toughness last year in Denver. But he looks tough enough to me. And even tougher to bring down. His rushing total on Sunday was a career high.

Meanwhile, Denver's so-called running game? Mostly tough luck this season. Cleveland gouged New England for 230 yards rushing, and had 404 yards of total offense against the shellshocked Patriots defenders.



Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/don_banks/11/07/week9.snaps/index.html#ixzz14hDi7KFI

jmz313
11-08-2010, 06:19 AM
It's The Patriot Way.

Dr. Broncenstein
11-08-2010, 06:20 AM
Gee... It's amazing how nobody saw this coming according to King. Welcome to last spring.

Jesterhole
11-08-2010, 06:25 AM
Wow, two picks AND Hillis for the right to let Quinn suck it up on our bench. Drafted Richard Quinn and he's been a total waste. Traded a first for Smith, then traded him away before letting him develop. Drafted Moreno at 12. Traded slots in thr 4th for Moroney, who has been a total fail boat.

We sure did make a huge improvement over Shanahan. Everyone who loves McDaniels and wanted that HoF coach gone sure were right about everything.

Bronco Rob
11-08-2010, 06:31 AM
Gee... It's amazing how nobody saw this coming according to King. Welcome to last spring.



:rofl:


:thumbsup:

Mogulseeker
11-08-2010, 06:41 AM
Number five on Shanny's depth chart...

Jesterhole
11-08-2010, 06:46 AM
At least he was on Shanahan deapth chart...

lostknight
11-08-2010, 06:48 AM
Number five on Shanny's depth chart...

Sorry, number one for many many weeks. Number one fullback week 1, bumped down because of Larsen (who also rocks as a traditional FB).Carried this team on his back, and our season ended when he went down.

Who knew that Hillis would be a stud? Just about anyone who watched the Atlanta, Jets, KC and Miami games, and didn't decide that Josh McDaniels's reality distortion field was more valid then what we saw occur on the field.

jhns
11-08-2010, 06:57 AM
Number five on Shanny's depth chart...

Then he got his chance, showed that he could run, and got kicked off of McDaniels depth chart AFTER showing what he could do....

Oh and he was also a rookie that started at FB early in the year but who cares about reality?

BroncosSR
11-08-2010, 06:59 AM
McD has shown he's an good game coach...just horrible with personnel.

strafen
11-08-2010, 07:00 AM
Mcdaniels is a moron.
He's too stupid to be a HC in the NFL.
He's got some growing up to do before he can use his head to make sound decisions...

tsiguy96
11-08-2010, 07:10 AM
easily my least favorite mcd trade and has been for awhile. hillis was underutilized last year, all mcd had to do was watch game day tape from 08 to see what kind of runner he is.

Gutless Drunk
11-08-2010, 07:21 AM
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/14258648/week-9-judgements-browns-should-find-out-if-theyve-found-a-q

"I'm not sure who should feel worse about New England's loss -- Bill Belichick or Denver's Josh McDaniels. It was Belichick's defense that Peyton Hillis shredded for 228 yards and two touchdowns -- including a career-high 184 yards rushing. But Hillis isn't in Cleveland's lineup without McDaniels' help. It was the Denver head coach who earlier this year had the brilliant idea to trade Hillis and draft picks for quarterback Brady Quinn. Quinn is the Broncos' third-string quarterback, and he doesn't play. Hillis is a one-man wrecking ball who's one of the most reliable and effective backs in the business. This trade was so bad I had to check to see if McDaniels was related to former Red Sox owner Harry Frazee. "

Jesterhole
11-08-2010, 07:45 AM
I love how McFail didn't think Hillis was tough enough, then throws away a pick to acquire a tip-toeing hesi-tron like Maroney.

But see, Hillis had proved himself in the OLD system, the one with the Shanahan stink on it...the one we got rid of in favor of McDouche's new and improved (though currently dead last) running game.

Jesterhole
11-08-2010, 07:48 AM
Josh McDaniels' Coaching
The Denver Broncos decided to part ways with the only coach to have won Super Bowl for the franchise. Mike Shanahan won two Super Bowls with John Elway at the helm, but also led them back to the AFC Championship with Jake Plummer playing Quarterback. In Shanahan's last years in Denver, it became apparent that he couldn't get a defense together. He had one of the top offenses and it would have made perfect sense to bring in Mike Nolan as the new Defensive coordinator and switch to the 3-4 defense, like they did under McDaniels. They could have given Nolan complete say over the defense like they did under McDaniels. When Nolan took over the defense that was ranked at the bottom, in his first year he turned them into a top 10 defense.
So, everything worked out fine, right? How could it not, you have the top 5 offense that Shanahan left over and now a top 10 defense...Super Bowl bound! Well, here's the problem. When Josh McDaniels took over the offense he decided to get rid of Jay Cutler, get rid of the zone running scheme that had been so productive for years, and personally set out to destroy one of Shanahan's best drafts. In 2006, Mike Shanahan drafted Jay Cutler, Brandon Marshall, Tony Scheffler, and Elvis Dumervil. Dumervil is the only remaining Bronco, and reports were that McDaniels was shopping him this off season. Jay Cutler is struggling in the new Bears system, but he was headed to an all-pro career in Denver. Brandon Marshall is the second best receiver in the league and Scheffler has already earned a new contract since being traded to Detroit. The lone guy McDaniels kept is out for the year with injury.
McDaniels traded away a first round pick in 2010 to be able to draft Alphonso Smith, a cornerback out of Wake Forest with a second round pick in 2009. He ended up trading Smith to Detroit for a backup tight end. Smith has played solid in Detroit and it appears that McDaniels had given up on Smith to soon. Oh, I almost forgot that McDaniels traded running back Peyton Hillis to Cleveland for quarterback Brady Quinn. McDaniels then went out and spent a million draft picks to draft Tim Tebow. Brady Quinn is now 3rd on the depth chart in Denver and has no long term future with the team. Peyton Hillis looks like one of the top rushers in the league and can't be stopped. Did I forget to mention that Denver has struggled running the ball this year, to the point where they actually gave up more draft picks to get Laurence "Freaking" Maroney. But, that's how Josh McDaniels operates. If Bill Belichek needs to cut a player, he'll just call up his flunky, McDaniels and get a draft pick in return, instead of cutting him for nothing.
Back to Mike Nolan; Reports came out that McDaniels had creative differences with Nolan and they parted ways. The truth is that, Nolan did such an outstanding job turning around the defense in one year and McDaniels did such an outstanding job of turning the offense around in one year (in a negative way), that he felt pressured that he would be replaced by Nolan in the long run as head coach. So, if you can't beat them, fire them!
Pat Bowlen doesn't get a pass in all of this. He decided to hire McDaniels. If he was going to fire Shanahan, he should have brought in a coach that could keep pushing with that top offense but could also have turned around that pathetic defense. I was expecting to see a top defensive coordinator like Rex Ryan get the job, or perhaps Leslie Frazier or Jim Schwartz. To the surprise of many, he decided to hire a Offensive Coordinator to take over. Brilliant! Combat your weakness by weakening your strength. Genius!
It's hard to say if Bowlen will fire McDaniels at the end of this year or not but they are in last place in one of the worst conferences in the NFL and they just got humiliated at home by their most hated rival 59-14. McDaniels offense has no rushing attack, mostly due to destroying an offensive line that gave up the least amount of sacks the year before McDaniels took over and changing the blocking scheme. His passing game that he loves to brag about puts up tons of stats but doesn't deliver wins. Unless you have Peyton Manning, in the NFL, games by running the ball and playing good defense. Neither one does this team do well. FIRE MCDANIELS! Call and beg Bill Cowher to clean up your mess, Pat Bowlen. Jay Cutler's Bears have a better record, Brandon Marshall's Dolphins have a better record, and Mike Shanahan's Redskins all have a better record than your 2-5 Broncos. I would even venture to say that Peyton Hillis has led the Browns to the same record as you, in a much tougher division.

Broncos_OTM
11-08-2010, 07:48 AM
atleast we get to chuckle somewhat over seeing hilllis trample over MCDs daddy

strafen
11-08-2010, 07:55 AM
atleast we get to chuckle somewhat over seeing hilllis trample over MCDs daddyThe nicest part of all of this is, Mcdaniels probably watched that game.
He was probably watching his master and try to learn a thing or two about coaching in the NFL.

He can't deny he didn't see Hillis playing yesterday.
I predict kid McDaniels will try to run Moreno to death against the chiefs this Sunday to try to make a point.
Book it. He will try... :rofl:

Jetmeck
11-08-2010, 07:57 AM
McDummy is a walking cluster**** at play calling, talent evaluation, coach evaluation and last but not least inter personal relationships. !

colonelbeef
11-08-2010, 08:38 AM
Josh McDaniels' Coaching
The Denver Broncos decided to part ways with the only coach to have won Super Bowl for the franchise. Mike Shanahan won two Super Bowls with John Elway at the helm, but also led them back to the AFC Championship with Jake Plummer playing Quarterback. In Shanahan's last years in Denver, it became apparent that he couldn't get a defense together. He had one of the top offenses and it would have made perfect sense to bring in Mike Nolan as the new Defensive coordinator and switch to the 3-4 defense, like they did under McDaniels. They could have given Nolan complete say over the defense like they did under McDaniels. When Nolan took over the defense that was ranked at the bottom, in his first year he turned them into a top 10 defense.

So, everything worked out fine, right? How could it not, you have the top 5 offense that Shanahan left over and now a top 10 defense...Super Bowl bound! Well, here's the problem. When Josh McDaniels took over the offense he decided to get rid of Jay Cutler, get rid of the zone running scheme that had been so productive for years, and personally set out to destroy one of Shanahan's best drafts. In 2006, Mike Shanahan drafted Jay Cutler, Brandon Marshall, Tony Scheffler, and Elvis Dumervil. Dumervil is the only remaining Bronco, and reports were that McDaniels was shopping him this off season. Jay Cutler is struggling in the new Bears system, but he was headed to an all-pro career in Denver. Brandon Marshall is the second best receiver in the league and Scheffler has already earned a new contract since being traded to Detroit. The lone guy McDaniels kept is out for the year with injury.

McDaniels traded away a first round pick in 2010 to be able to draft Alphonso Smith, a cornerback out of Wake Forest with a second round pick in 2009. He ended up trading Smith to Detroit for a backup tight end. Smith has played solid in Detroit and it appears that McDaniels had given up on Smith to soon. Oh, I almost forgot that McDaniels traded running back Peyton Hillis to Cleveland for quarterback Brady Quinn. McDaniels then went out and spent a million draft picks to draft Tim Tebow. Brady Quinn is now 3rd on the depth chart in Denver and has no long term future with the team. Peyton Hillis looks like one of the top rushers in the league and can't be stopped. Did I forget to mention that Denver has struggled running the ball this year, to the point where they actually gave up more draft picks to get Laurence "Freaking" Maroney. But, that's how Josh McDaniels operates. If Bill Belichek needs to cut a player, he'll just call up his flunky, McDaniels and get a draft pick in return, instead of cutting him for nothing.

Back to Mike Nolan; Reports came out that McDaniels had creative differences with Nolan and they parted ways. The truth is that, Nolan did such an outstanding job turning around the defense in one year and McDaniels did such an outstanding job of turning the offense around in one year (in a negative way), that he felt pressured that he would be replaced by Nolan in the long run as head coach. So, if you can't beat them, fire them!
Pat Bowlen doesn't get a pass in all of this. He decided to hire McDaniels. If he was going to fire Shanahan, he should have brought in a coach that could keep pushing with that top offense but could also have turned around that pathetic defense. I was expecting to see a top defensive coordinator like Rex Ryan get the job, or perhaps Leslie Frazier or Jim Schwartz. To the surprise of many, he decided to hire a Offensive Coordinator to take over. Brilliant! Combat your weakness by weakening your strength. Genius!

It's hard to say if Bowlen will fire McDaniels at the end of this year or not but they are in last place in one of the worst conferences in the NFL and they just got humiliated at home by their most hated rival 59-14. McDaniels offense has no rushing attack, mostly due to destroying an offensive line that gave up the least amount of sacks the year before McDaniels took over and changing the blocking scheme. His passing game that he loves to brag about puts up tons of stats but doesn't deliver wins. Unless you have Peyton Manning, in the NFL, games by running the ball and playing good defense. Neither one does this team do well. FIRE MCDANIELS! Call and beg Bill Cowher to clean up your mess, Pat Bowlen. Jay Cutler's Bears have a better record, Brandon Marshall's Dolphins have a better record, and Mike Shanahan's Redskins all have a better record than your 2-5 Broncos. I would even venture to say that Peyton Hillis has led the Browns to the same record as you, in a much tougher division.


game, set, match.

He gets a 3rd year but the way things currently look, he is done after that.

I don't agree on Cowher, I'd much rather have Gruden, but either would obviously be a massive improvement.

ouch.

go_broncos
11-08-2010, 08:49 AM
McDummy is a walking cluster**** at play calling, talent evaluation, coach evaluation and last but not least inter personal relationships. !

basically..he is **** at everything..

Rashomon
11-08-2010, 09:00 AM
This seems like a good thread to put Bill Simmon's take on Denver:

31. Denver
After starting out 6-0 last season, Josh McDaniels lost 14 of his next 18 games. Things didn't turn for Eric Taylor in Dillon that fast. Either way, we'll remember the 2010 Broncos for trading Peyton Hillis straight up for Brady Quinn (one of the worst random trades of the decade), then dealing a fourth-round pick for Laurence Maroney, which made history for matching the league's worst offensive line at creating holes with the league's worst running back at finding holes. For four glorious weeks (36 carries, 74 yards), it was like watching a 3-year-old put on a football helmet and repeatedly run into a concrete wall. Even better, every Patriots fan knew how it was going to play out. Is there anything more fun than your team sticking another team with a lemon? I say no.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmonsnfl2010/101105&sportCat=nfl

go_broncos
11-08-2010, 09:05 AM
This seems like a good thread to put Bill Simmon's take on Denver:

31. Denver
After starting out 6-0 last season, Josh McDaniels lost 14 of his next 18 games. Things didn't turn for Eric Taylor in Dillon that fast. Either way, we'll remember the 2010 Broncos for trading Peyton Hillis straight up for Brady Quinn (one of the worst random trades of the decade), then dealing a fourth-round pick for Laurence Maroney, which made history for matching the league's worst offensive line at creating holes with the league's worst running back at finding holes. For four glorious weeks (36 carries, 74 yards), it was like watching a 3-year-old put on a football helmet and repeatedly run into a concrete wall. Even better, every Patriots fan knew how it was going to play out. Is there anything more fun than your team sticking another team with a lemon? I say no.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmonsnfl2010/101105&sportCat=nfl

So Sad to read..

RunSilentRunDeep
11-08-2010, 09:15 AM
I remember a time when the Broncos head coach was considered the best in the business, and the smartest guy in the room. Seems like a long time ago...


It was a long time ago... back in the 90s when they won two Super Bowls. Then Shanahan started signing guys like Dale Carter and a string of washed up turds. And it continues to this day as evidenced by him giving $21 million to Haynesworth and giving up a second- and third-round pick for an aging QB he just benched for Rex Grossman (explain that genius).

This is NOT a defense of McDaniels. But Shanahan is one of the worst personnel people in the business. Great coach, awful GM. Let him go. It's over.

epicSocialism4tw
11-08-2010, 09:17 AM
The whole McD thing has been a beating thus far. Hopefully the dude turns it around, but at this point its not looking too good.

In 1989, we got embarrassed pretty badly and that really sucked. I'm the only Broncos fan in my family and I didnt hear the end of that until about 1999.

The McD era on the other hand is so pathetic thus far that it just garners pity. Ha!

This is by far the worst state I have ever seen the Broncos in since I became a fan in 1984.

Archer81
11-08-2010, 09:20 AM
So Sad to read..


It would be if you actually liked the team in the first place.


:Broncos:

bendog
11-08-2010, 09:20 AM
It was a long time ago... back in the 90s when they won two Super Bowls. Then Shanahan started signing guys like Dale Carter and a string of washed up turds. And it continues to this day as evidenced by him giving $21 million to Haynesworth and giving up a second- and third-round pick for an aging QB he just benched for Rex Grossman (explain that genius).

This is NOT a defense of McDaniels. But Shanahan is one of the worst personnel people in the business. Great coach, awful GM. Let him go. It's over.

yeah, but saying it wasn't long ago that Den had a topflight coaching system, and honestly you cannot find a lot of fault in shanny's last 2-3 drafts, isn't saying Shanny was doing a great job overall. The defense was not going to win championships even if Shanny had rebuilt the oline. I wasn't pissed Bowlen fired the guy. Surprised since he'd been given extensions and THEN fired. But Bowlens driven down the payroll to 6th lowest and hired a guy who was not ready to be an nfl coach and whose personnel moves are as much or more a joke than shanny's. With shanahan you know its going to be "what did you do for me one minute ago." With mcdaniels there's no rhyme or reason beyond incompetence.

RaiderH8r
11-08-2010, 09:22 AM
So Sad to read..

I had to click through to see who he had ranked lower than us. Clearly our power ranking was boosted as a result of the bye week because if we had trotted out our usual bag of **** brand of football Simmons would have bumped us down. I've had us ranked about 40th for awhile, behind several squads' second teamers. Not entirely due to a lack of talent but a lack of testicular fortitude.

I've seen second grade girls who show more toughness and more fight going at it over a Barbie than this bunch of limp dick pantywastes who have been taking the field and calling themselves Broncos.

jmz313
11-08-2010, 09:24 AM
Yahoo having their fun with it too.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=cr-winnersandlosers110710

Homer Simpson
11-08-2010, 09:26 AM
If I was a Browns fan I would come here every day just for the hilarity.

epicSocialism4tw
11-08-2010, 09:27 AM
If I was a Browns fan I would come here every day just for the hilarity.

Honestly, for whatever few Browns fans survived the 80's and the move to Baltimore, its probably still too hard to come and talk trash to fans of the team once led by the feared and loathed John Elway.

bendog
11-08-2010, 09:28 AM
yeah, and what really sucks is the broncos once owned both the browns and patriots.

TheProfessor
11-08-2010, 09:30 AM
Barring a miracle turn around, we need to do something drastic... but what?
-sadly 6-10 could almost qualify as a miracle turn ariound.

Do you get rid of both McD and Xanders and start over?

Maybe they think the kid can coach, but he needs a stronger GM to take some things off of his plate.

Looking at how PB has always done things, our coach has always had full control. Right now he doesn't look cut out for the job. To be honest I'm not sure I want to trust him with another 3 picks in the 1st 2 rounds, one of wich will be a top 5 pick.

Like I started to say before, barring a miracle turn around it's time to give (insert coaches name here) a call.

Jesterhole
11-08-2010, 09:32 AM
Barring a miracle turn around, we need to do something drastic... but what?

Do you get rid of both McD and Xanders and start over?



Well, that is going to be the eventual outcome, barring some incredible turn around by the franchise. Better to do it now than continue with a failing cause. I'm honestly sick of the thought of this front office with a top 5 pick. They'll probably go long snapper.

epicSocialism4tw
11-08-2010, 09:33 AM
Barring a miracle turn around, we need to do something drastic... but what?
-sadly 6-10 could almost qualify as a miracle turn ariound.

Do you get rid of both McD and Xanders and start over?

Maybe they think the kid can coach, but he needs a stronger GM to take some things off of his plate.

Looking at how PB has always done things, our coach has always had full control. Right now he doesn't look cut out for the job. To be honest I'm not sure I want to trust him with another 3 picks in the 1st 2 rounds, one of wich will be a top 5 pick.

Like I started to say before, barring a miracle turn around it's time to give (insert coaches name here) a call.

Yeah, I think you fire Xanders and bring in a powerhouse GM to run the franchise. Limit McD's responsibility as much as possible and then go from there.

TheProfessor
11-08-2010, 09:35 AM
Well, that is going to be the eventual outcome, barring some incredible turn around by the franchise. Better to do it now than continue with a failing cause. I'm honestly sick of the thought of this front office with a top 5 pick. They'll probably go long snapper.

I don't know why, but I keep feeling bad for Tebow. I just don't see any new coach coming in here and hitching their wagon to him.

epicSocialism4tw
11-08-2010, 09:37 AM
I don't know why, but I keep feeling bad for Tebow. I just don't see any new coach coming in here and hitching their wagon to him.

I think we see Tebow before the end of the season.

Orton looked like he has given up last week. Much like Plummer in 2007.

Homer Simpson
11-08-2010, 09:42 AM
I think we see Tebow before the end of the season.

Orton looked like he has given up last week. Much like Plummer in 2007.

I'm not sure he's given up, but I think when you are 2 & 6 you are out of the playoffs. It's not about dropping Orton, it's about the next 8 games being almost an extended per-season. You picked a QB in the 1st round. Put him in and see what he can do. Look at Bradford, Stafford and McCoy and he can't be as bad as Clausen :rofl:

Bronco Yoda
11-08-2010, 09:42 AM
Please tell me McD is learning his lessons. Someone just lie to me. Tell me he's learning something from this.

TheProfessor
11-08-2010, 09:43 AM
I think we see Tebow before the end of the season.

Orton looked like he has given up last week. Much like Plummer in 2007.

I don't think he is ready... More importantly, I don't think the staff thinks he is anywhere near ready.

I'd bet if orton was injured for any period of time the staff would go to BQ.

Trust me, I want to see what the kid can do but I want him to have one more off season before he gets thrown into the fire.

epicSocialism4tw
11-08-2010, 09:45 AM
Please tell me McD is learning his lessons. Someone just lie to me. Tell me he's learning something from this.

Okay, I'll lie to you.

You're good enough, you're smart enough, and dog-gone it...people like you. ;D

bendog
11-08-2010, 09:47 AM
Okay, I'll lie to you.

You're good enough, you're smart enough, and dog-gone it...people like you. ;D

Being a bronco fan is like being drunk in a bar and picking up the girl nobody wants.

Bronco Yoda
11-08-2010, 09:54 AM
:thumbs:Okay, I'll lie to you.

You're good enough, you're smart enough, and dog-gone it...people like you. ;D

Bronco Yoda
11-08-2010, 09:55 AM
I had a Lions fan laugh at me the other day. This **** is getting out of hand.

worm
11-08-2010, 09:56 AM
I can only imagine the powerpoint that Josh will create at the end of the year to wow Pat and Joe.

Bet it has animations, sounds and everything.

WolfpackGuy
11-08-2010, 09:59 AM
I had a Lions fan laugh at me the other day. This **** is getting out of hand.

Hilarious!

epicSocialism4tw
11-08-2010, 09:59 AM
I had a Lions fan laugh at me the other day. This **** is getting out of hand.

Yeah. That's pretty bad.

Its starting to settle in with me just where we are in terms of franchises.

6th lowest payroll, bottom 5 team. No real star players except for Dumervil, Clady, and Bailey.

Is Bowlen looking to sell this franchise?

Beantown Bronco
11-08-2010, 10:00 AM
I think we see Tebow before the end of the season.

Orton looked like he has given up last week. Much like Plummer in 2007.

Yup, he really looked like he gave up when he drove us down the field for that TD with less than 3 minutes to go in the game. He was 6-7 for 80 yds on that drive and did it in 1:30. That's all. People want to forget that, though, and only focus on the negative.

SonOfLe-loLang
11-08-2010, 10:01 AM
Yes, it was a mistake. Yes, hundreds saw it coming. My god, how much longer are we gonna talk about this and how many different ways.

Jesterhole
11-08-2010, 10:02 AM
At this point Tebow on the sidelines isn't going to do any good. I'd rather him start playing now, and get some of the kinks out while there is no pressure to win. We know this season is in the toilet, might as well get some good out of it and evaluate him while we can.

Taco John
11-08-2010, 10:04 AM
Number five on Shanny's depth chart...

...until he climbed his way up to number one.

UberBroncoMan
11-08-2010, 10:07 AM
Hence why I thought it was BS when people bitch about our line. Hills would have MORE production that what we have simply because he's able to get a few extra and break tackles.

W/E McD wanted "smart" players.

epicSocialism4tw
11-08-2010, 10:10 AM
Yes, it was a mistake. Yes, hundreds saw it coming. My god, how much longer are we gonna talk about this and how many different ways.

Sorry, but thats what happens when mistakes take down a proud franchise. Thats what people talk about. They sure are talking about the greatness on display, or the hope in the future because everything looks pretty grim right now.

Can it change? Sure. And the discussion will change then too.

There's an easy solution though if the discussion of the horrible team we have right now makes you upset. You can choose what you want to talk about. You have no control over what other people talk about.

Most people watch football because its fun. It becomes less fun when the team is terrible. Thats why the Lions barely had any fans a couple years ago and why their attendance is up now.

Spider
11-08-2010, 10:11 AM
well if I believe what the Hillis haters have told me , Hillis used a seeing eye dog , and the Browns have the Best O line in all the land

SonOfLe-loLang
11-08-2010, 10:12 AM
Sorry, but thats what happens when mistakes take down a proud franchise. Thats what people talk about. They sure are talking about the greatness on display, or the hope in the future because everything looks pretty grim right now.

Can it change? Sure. And the discussion will change then too.

There's an easy solution though if the discussion of the horrible team we have right now makes you upset. You can choose what you want to talk about. You have no control over what other people talk about.

Most people watch football because its fun. It becomes less fun when the team is terrible. Thats why the Lions barely had any fans a couple years ago and why their attendance is up now.

Except people keep bringing up the same hackneyed points as if they are something new. Its annoying

Taco John
11-08-2010, 10:13 AM
well if I believe what the Hillis haters have told me , Hillis used a seeing eye dog , and the Browns have the Best O line in all the land

LOL! I've actually silently enjoyed all of the "Browns have the Best O line in history" talk.

Quoydogs
11-08-2010, 10:15 AM
I don't think he is ready... More importantly, I don't think the staff thinks he is anywhere near ready.

I'd bet if orton was injured for any period of time the staff would go to BQ.

Trust me, I want to see what the kid can do but I want him to have one more off season before he gets thrown into the fire.
I will agree with this except for one thing. If what I read was true and we have to give a conditional pick for Quinn and that is based on how much time he plays. I say just keep him on the bench.

epicSocialism4tw
11-08-2010, 10:28 AM
Except people keep bringing up the same hackneyed points as if they are something new. Its annoying

Dont be upset at people for seeing this coming down the road.

If nothing else, you should learn from them and move on.

montrose
11-08-2010, 10:39 AM
I remember a time when the Broncos head coach was considered the best in the business, and the smartest guy in the room. Seems like a long time ago...

It was, 1998.

bendog
11-08-2010, 10:41 AM
yeah it sucked going 110-69 after elway retired. this is sooooo much better.

Broncomutt
11-08-2010, 10:43 AM
yeah, and what really sucks is the broncos once owned both the browns and patriots.

At least we still own the Chargers. Don't we?

Quoydogs
11-08-2010, 10:46 AM
At least we still own the Chargers. Don't we?

**** we don't even own that Raiders anymore.

Rabb
11-08-2010, 10:49 AM
love the OM, 3 Hillis threads in the top 10...just awesome

bendog
11-08-2010, 10:57 AM
This week will be very telling. McD has shown no ability to motivate the team v. it's traditional rivals, which really shows his arrogance as much as he questionable personnel moves. A young coach may make mistakes, but a young coach who doesn't bother to pay attention to a team's chemistry is not excusable. Swept at home last year and blown out by SD, and not even peep. They weren't ready to play the faide at home tow weeks ago, and then lost to third string qb on a team with a joke coach in London that even wasn't carried as the national feed. If they come out flat on sunday, Bowlen's hand may be forced by a fan rebellion.

bendog
11-08-2010, 10:57 AM
love the OM, 3 Hillis threads in the top 10...just awesome

Be more awesome if he ran for 160 for denver.

yerner
11-08-2010, 11:05 AM
I'm surprised how many national sports writers are commenting on this trade actually. Not real good press for the Mcdaniels regime on a week the team didn't even play.

misturanderson
11-08-2010, 11:09 AM
yeah, and what really sucks is the broncos once owned both the browns and patriots.

Last I check McD beat both of those teams as head coach of the Broncos.

Rabb
11-08-2010, 11:10 AM
Be more awesome if he ran for 160 for denver.

hey listen, I don't disagree

but when is it time to move on?

bendog
11-08-2010, 11:16 AM
hey listen, I don't disagree

but when is it time to move on?

Well, I could chat about the new orleans game, but who'd be interested in that. No bronco connection there. Hillis had a career day and the broncos had the bye, so people are going to post.

I like coming up with nicknames for the guy myself.

the caucasian cerberus;D

bendog
11-08-2010, 11:18 AM
Last I check McD beat both of those teams as head coach of the Broncos.

great. those were our playoff games. this week is our superbowl

Quoydogs
11-08-2010, 11:24 AM
I'm surprised how many national sports writers are commenting on this trade actually. Not real good press for the Mcdaniels regime on a week the team didn't even play.

I think it's because they are starting to Finally realize what kind of players McD traded away and what we gave people in the trades.

We fans know what we had. We watch and analyze every play, they have to keep track of all the players so I think they are just at the What the hell was he thinking stage were as we all went threw this at the first of the season.

go_broncos
11-08-2010, 11:27 AM
I'm surprised how many national sports writers are commenting on this trade actually. Not real good press for the Mcdaniels regime on a week the team didn't even play.

I thought for one week..they won't talk about us..
Hillis made sure how dumb our coach is by trading him.

strafen
11-08-2010, 11:59 AM
Last I check McD beat both of those teams as head coach of the Broncos.
Oh, kid McDaniels.
You love him don't you?
We're 2-6 moron!

RaiderH8r
11-08-2010, 12:02 PM
love the OM, 3 Hillis threads in the top 10...just awesome

He's closest McKid has come to establishing a ground game this year.

SonOfLe-loLang
11-08-2010, 12:05 PM
Dont be upset at people for seeing this coming down the road.

If nothing else, you should learn from them and move on.

You have a memory like a goldfish apparently.

Traveler
11-08-2010, 12:05 PM
If given the chance to clear the air, I wonder if Hillis would actually open up about what really happened between him and McDaniels?

WolfpackGuy
11-08-2010, 12:09 PM
If given the chance to clear the air, I wonder if Hillis would actually open up about what really happened between him and McDaniels?

He's too dumb.

To some on this board, he can barely speak!

Traveler
11-08-2010, 12:11 PM
He's too dumb.

To some on this board, he can barely speak!

HILLIS SMASH! Channeling his inner Hulk.

Bronco Yoda
11-08-2010, 12:14 PM
This week will be very telling. McD has shown no ability to motivate the team v. it's traditional rivals, which really shows his arrogance as much as he questionable personnel moves. A young coach may make mistakes, but a young coach who doesn't bother to pay attention to a team's chemistry is not excusable. Swept at home last year and blown out by SD, and not even peep. They weren't ready to play the faide at home tow weeks ago, and then lost to third string qb on a team with a joke coach in London that even wasn't carried as the national feed. If they come out flat on sunday, Bowlen's hand may be forced by a fan rebellion.

I agree 100%

ColoradoDarin
11-08-2010, 12:16 PM
He's closest McKid has come to establishing a ground game this year.

Now that's funny.

Archer81
11-08-2010, 12:24 PM
He's too dumb.

To some on this board, he can barely speak!


You have to wonder. How is it a rookie in Moreno with the same experience as Hillis coming into McDaniel's first camp installing a new offense beat him out for the majority of carries?

Dumb? Probably not. Not quick to pick the new offense up? Probably.

But by all means keep being a drama queen.

:Broncos:

orangemonkey
11-08-2010, 12:41 PM
You have to wonder. How is it a rookie in Moreno with the same experience as Hillis coming into McDaniel's first camp installing a new offense beat him out for the majority of carries?

Dumb? Probably not. Not quick to pick the new offense up? Probably.

But by all means keep being a drama queen.

:Broncos:

No need to wonder. I'll give you a hint. Was it:

A. McD was highly leveraged with Moreno as his 12th overall pick
B. Hillis had the quintessential Shanny stamp on him (something McD was clearly trying to eradicate from the Broncos offense).
C. McD wanted his guy
D. All of the above

Hint #2: Answer is D

TheReverend
11-08-2010, 12:57 PM
I think Josh McDaniels is too stupid for Josh McDaniels' offense.

Archer81
11-08-2010, 01:02 PM
No need to wonder. I'll give you a hint. Was it:

A. McD was highly leveraged with Moreno as his 12th overall pick
B. Hillis had the quintessential Shanny stamp on him (something McD was clearly trying to eradicate from the Broncos offense).
C. McD wanted his guy
D. All of the above

Hint #2: Answer is D


Hillis was Shanahan's guy? Is that why he was a backup FB under Mike? I dont buy the highly leveraged theory either. As has been chronicalled on this board, we traded a 1st rounder for A. Smith and cut him a year later. That demonstrates that McDaniels is not afraid of losing a highly drafted player or sitting him if that is what is needed. Every coach wants his guy. But what about Clady, Harris, DJ or Champ? These were Shanny approved players. They are still on the roster.

:Broncos:

RaiderH8r
11-08-2010, 01:09 PM
I think Josh McDaniels is too stupid for Josh McDaniels' offense.

It's a complex system requiring a slide rule tucked neatly away under the playsheet in the wristband and a well rounded knowledge of calcu-triga-geo-algebramathology that is a system of numbers and letters devised by McKid during his youth in Canton, OH but the only problem is that he taught it to his imaginary friends just before he cut them for insubordination and now nobody can remember how the system works. One thing McKid knows for certain though is that zone blocking is a horse**** gimmick scheme and will never see the light of day on a McKid club.

Jesterhole
11-08-2010, 01:10 PM
Hillis was Shanahan's guy? Is that why he was a backup FB under Mike? I dont buy the highly leveraged theory either. As has been chronicalled on this board, we traded a 1st rounder for A. Smith and cut him a year later. That demonstrates that McDaniels is not afraid of losing a highly drafted player or sitting him if that is what is needed. Every coach wants his guy. But what about Clady, Harris, DJ or Champ? These were Shanny approved players. They are still on the roster.

:Broncos:

Why in the hell are you defending this? Trading Hillis was wrong. People are starting to call it the worst trade of the decade. Professional sports writers, not just us.

Your man love for McFail is funny.

Archer81
11-08-2010, 01:13 PM
Why in the hell are you defending this? Trading Hillis was wrong. People are starting to call it the worst trade of the decade. Professional sports writers, not just us.

Your man love for McFail is funny.


Why do you keep insisting I am defending it? Pointing out holes in the myriad theories floating around about why (insert player name here) is gone hardly means I am defending the coach.

Or is independent thinking frowned on when it goes against groupthink?

:Broncos:

RaiderH8r
11-08-2010, 01:13 PM
Why in the hell are you defending this? Trading Hillis was wrong. People are starting to call it the worst trade of the decade. Professional sports writers, not just us.

Your man love for McFail is funny.

The system is too complex for Hillis. Plus Hillis kept sniffing butts and scooching has ass across the carpet. McKid figured he had worms and sending that problem to Cleveland just made sense because, in Cleveland, everybody scooches their butt across the carpet. That's how they get their world class staph infection on.

Beantown Bronco
11-08-2010, 01:13 PM
Why in the hell are you defending this? Trading Hillis was wrong. People are starting to call it the worst trade of the decade. Professional sports writers, not just us.

Your man love for McFail is funny.

Apparently, they missed the Cutler trade.....and the Roy Williams trade....the Deion Branch trade (the first time)....and the Randy Moss trade....should I go on?

RaiderH8r
11-08-2010, 01:16 PM
Why do you keep insisting I am defending it? Pointing out holes in the myriad theories floating around about why (insert player name here) is gone hardly means I am defending the coach.

Or is independent thinking frowned on when it goes against groupthink?

:Broncos:

I'm with you. I'm pretty sure McKid would have been justified just giving Hillis the "Ol' Yeller" treatment out back of the facility. It's a blessing we got a world class clipboard holder and jock strap enthusiast like Brady Quinn in return.

Jesterhole
11-08-2010, 01:19 PM
Apparently, they missed the Cutler trade.....and the Roy Williams trade....the Deion Branch trade (the first time)....and the Randy Moss trade....should I go on?

Feel free. Because the Hillis trade is just going to keep getting worse every week that he produces for the Browns, because Brady Quinn will never, ever do anything for this franchise. Not when we owe the Browns a pick next year, and not when we owe them another pick the year after.

Archer81
11-08-2010, 01:19 PM
I'm with you. I'm pretty sure McKid would have been justified just giving Hillis the "Ol' Yeller" treatment out back of the facility. It's a blessing we got a world class clipboard holder and jock strap enthusiast like Brady Quinn in return.


Well someone needed to replace Denver's "tanned individuals" quotient.


Small things matter.


:Broncos:

Archer81
11-08-2010, 01:20 PM
Feel free. Because the Hillis trade is just going to keep getting worse every week that he produces for the Browns, because Brady Quinn will never, ever do anything for this franchise. Not when we owe the Browns a pick next year, and not when we owe them another pick the year after.


So...what about the previous few games where Hillis did not have great production?


:Broncos:

go_broncos
11-08-2010, 01:21 PM
So...what about the previous few games where Hillis did not have great production?


:Broncos:

you should be ashamed of yourself..keep supporting Mcd..
He completely ruined our team..

Beantown Bronco
11-08-2010, 01:22 PM
Feel free. Because the Hillis trade is just going to keep getting worse every week that he produces for the Browns, because Brady Quinn will never, ever do anything for this franchise. Not when we owe the Browns a pick next year, and not when we owe them another pick the year after.

By definition, only one of your bolded statements can be true, not both.

Archer81
11-08-2010, 01:23 PM
you should be ashamed of yourself..keep supporting Mcd..
He completely ruined our team..


I am sure if you keep repeating yourself maybe one day it will be true.

BTW, did I tell you how much of a bag of elf nut you are today? If not, just did.


:Broncos:

strafen
11-08-2010, 02:03 PM
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/14258648/week-9-judgements-browns-should-find-out-if-theyve-found-a-q

"I'm not sure who should feel worse about New England's loss -- Bill Belichick or Denver's Josh McDaniels. It was Belichick's defense that Peyton Hillis shredded for 228 yards and two touchdowns -- including a career-high 184 yards rushing. But Hillis isn't in Cleveland's lineup without McDaniels' help. It was the Denver head coach who earlier this year had the brilliant idea to trade Hillis and draft picks for quarterback Brady Quinn. Quinn is the Broncos' third-string quarterback, and he doesn't play. Hillis is a one-man wrecking ball who's one of the most reliable and effective backs in the business. This trade was so bad I had to check to see if McDaniels was related to former Red Sox owner Harry Frazee. "This.
Lock it. /end thread

kamakazi_kal
11-08-2010, 02:10 PM
I would love to see some people argue that any back on our current team is better then hillis.

Bronco Yoda
11-08-2010, 02:20 PM
I think Josh McDaniels is too stupid for Josh McDaniels' offense.

Hilarious! You've written his epatath in full.

strafen
11-08-2010, 02:21 PM
I would love to see some people argue that any back on our current team is better then hillis.I'm pretty sure popps is already working on it...

DarkHorse30
11-08-2010, 02:58 PM
I liked Hillis and forced myself to justify McDaniels trade. I've been doing this for about a year.

I think this is all a big Karma payback (Cleveland and Patriots). I also am beginning to think that McDaniels is the spawn of Belichek.

zdoor
11-08-2010, 04:03 PM
You have to wonder. How is it a rookie in Moreno with the same experience as Hillis coming into McDaniel's first camp installing a new offense beat him out for the majority of carries?

Dumb? Probably not. Not quick to pick the new offense up? Probably.

But by all means keep being a drama queen.

:Broncos:

Maybe just maybe our coach doesn't know talent?

zdoor
11-08-2010, 04:09 PM
Why do you keep insisting I am defending it? Pointing out holes in the myriad theories floating around about why (insert player name here) is gone hardly means I am defending the coach.

Or is independent thinking frowned on when it goes against groupthink?

:Broncos:

All your speculation is based on a camp battle that none of us saw or can evaluate. It is equally if not more possible that our coach can't evaluate RB talent worth a ****. Anyone watching Maroney run for the length of time he did and is still willing to swap a 4th to a 6th for him has got some deficiencies in how he looks at RB talent.... Hillis is a beast and we let him walk giving up pics to send him out the door for a 3rd string QB with ****ty career stats and wins. Couldn't have been the coach, must have been Hillis.

And Shanny, who is really irrelevent to the argument, moved him up due to injury, which is how many players get starting jobs. It's all speculation that he would have moved into the backup slot again had he remained coach. I think, and my opinion is, that he showed enough in 2008 to remain a starter. Many here thought the same. Obviously McD did not. HE WAS INCREDIBLY AND IRREFUTABLY WRONG...

elsid13
11-08-2010, 04:14 PM
Remember that Turner and Shanahan are looking of certain type of back to run in their ZBS scheme. A back that press the hole, and has feet to cut back. That is not Hillis strength. When Hillis did come in, Denver altered the blocking scheme to incorporate more traps and pulls which allowed Hillis to get move down hill fast. We still ran zone plays but there were more off tackle plays then cut backs.

Funny thing is that style that McDaniels wants to run is that traps, off tackles and pulls that Hillis is suited for.

broncocalijohn
11-08-2010, 04:15 PM
Gee... It's amazing how nobody saw this coming according to King. Welcome to last spring.

I guess he doesnt read broncos fan boards.

No need to wonder. I'll give you a hint. Was it:

A. McD was highly leveraged with Moreno as his 12th overall pick
B. Hillis had the quintessential Shanny stamp on him (something McD was clearly trying to eradicate from the Broncos offense).
C. McD wanted his guy
D. All of the above

Hint #2: Answer is D

Thank God! I thought it was a trick question but "guessed" answer D. I feel relived knowing it was all or at least one of those. Whatever it was, McD probably didnt bother to see film of him or thought there is no way a white boy is going to succeed at RB.......RACIST!

elsid13
11-08-2010, 04:17 PM
I guess he doesnt read broncos fan boards.

He's to busy drinking lattes and kissing Belicheat's ass

colonelbeef
11-08-2010, 05:27 PM
You have to wonder. How is it a rookie in Moreno with the same experience as Hillis coming into McDaniel's first camp installing a new offense beat him out for the majority of carries?

Dumb? Probably not. Not quick to pick the new offense up? Probably.

But by all means keep being a drama queen.

:Broncos:

Maybe McDaniels doesn't have an understanding of or appreciation for actual talent?

Do any of these thoughts ever occur to you, or is it just pom poms 24/7 in your mind?

spdirty
11-08-2010, 06:24 PM
hey listen, I don't disagree

but when is it time to move on?

When Hillis stops shredding defenses and our running game looks better than absolute ****.

gunns
11-08-2010, 06:42 PM
And then there's the Hillis deal. The Browns dealt backup quarterback Brady Quinn to Denver for Hillis in the spring, and if that's not a big-enough piece of highway robbery, consider this: Denver has to give Cleveland a sixth-round pick in the 2011 draft, and I'm told the Browns will also get a conditional pick in the 2012 draft -- a sixth-rounder or better, depending on Quinn's playing time. I mean, should Cleveland be giving Denver draft choices the way this thing is working out? Hillis is 11th in the NFL in rushing with 644 yards, and he's averaging a gaudy 4.8 yards per rush. Who'd have thought that could ever happen?


You have got to be kidding, I'm in total shock. And I thought the Maroney for a 4th was bad. Well it is, now this? Unbelievable

gunns
11-08-2010, 06:46 PM
You have to wonder. How is it a rookie in Moreno with the same experience as Hillis coming into McDaniel's first camp installing a new offense beat him out for the majority of carries?

Dumb? Probably not. Not quick to pick the new offense up? Probably.

But by all means keep being a drama queen.

:Broncos:

Seems to me that there is a dumbass who doesn't know **** about the job he was hired to do. Does not know talent. I gave McD all the props when hired, make his own team, that's the way it should be done. But I'm beginning to realize he doesn't know talent. See Hillis, see Maroney. Those are just the RB's. Scares me to death to think about Tebow now.

Jesterhole
11-08-2010, 07:10 PM
Seems to me that there is a dumbass who doesn't know **** about the job he was hired to do. Does not know talent. I gave McD all the props when hired, make his own team, that's the way it should be done. But I'm beginning to realize he doesn't know talent. See Hillis, see Maroney. Those are just the RB's. Scares me to death to think about Tebow now.

Given everything else, I'm actually still excited about Tebow. I'd rather see him play sooner than later. If we lose a couple more, it'll be hard to justify not getting him some real reps.

gunns
11-08-2010, 07:17 PM
I guess he doesnt read broncos fan boards.



Thank God! I thought it was a trick question but "guessed" answer D. I feel relived knowing it was all or at least one of those. Whatever it was, McD probably didnt bother to see film of him or thought there is no way a white boy is going to succeed at RB.......RACIST!

But he thought Maroney would. :confuzzle

HAT
11-08-2010, 07:20 PM
Given everything else, I'm actually still excited about Tebow. I'd rather see him play sooner than later. If we lose a couple more, it'll be hard to justify not getting him some real reps.

Having Brady Quinn is part of the reason McD could afford to take a chance on Tebow.

~Crash~
11-08-2010, 07:52 PM
Yeah. That's pretty bad.

Its starting to settle in with me just where we are in terms of franchises.

6th lowest payroll, bottom 5 team. No real star players except for Dumervil, Clady, and Bailey.

Is Bowlen looking to sell this franchise?

I would give some thought of getting rid of Mc to your signature Ha!

~Crash~
11-08-2010, 08:02 PM
hey listen, I don't disagree

but when is it time to move on?

well if you do not know the answer ..wellROFL!Ha!Hilarious!




try fire dip **** or start making bacon!!

WolfpackGuy
11-08-2010, 08:37 PM
Having Brady Quinn is part of the reason McD could afford to take a chance on Tebow.

Ha!

wandlc
11-08-2010, 09:32 PM
It was a long time ago... back in the 90s when they won two Super Bowls. Then Shanahan started signing guys like Dale Carter and a string of washed up turds. And it continues to this day as evidenced by him giving $21 million to Haynesworth and giving up a second- and third-round pick for an aging QB he just benched for Rex Grossman (explain that genius).

This is NOT a defense of McDaniels. But Shanahan is one of the worst personnel people in the business. Great coach, awful GM. Let him go. It's over.

He is not the GM in Washington.

BroncoBuff
11-10-2010, 12:06 PM
"... and I'm told the Browns will also get a conditional pick in the 2012 draft -- a sixth-rounder or better, depending on Quinn's playing time."

Better not happen.

Pony Boy
11-10-2010, 12:17 PM
All you need to read in the article.........

"and if that's not a big-enough piece of highway robbery, consider this: Denver has to give Cleveland a sixth-round pick in the 2011 draft"

misturanderson
11-10-2010, 01:29 PM
But he thought Maroney would. :confuzzle

No he was forced to make a move for Maroney when every competent back on the team got hurt in training camp and the first few weeks of the season. It's not like he waited until Hillis was the only healthy back on our roster then traded him for Maroney.

It is absolutely amazing to me how everyone on this board can completely overlook the amount of "talent deficiency" that is the result of injuries this year.

WolfpackGuy
11-10-2010, 02:03 PM
All you need to read in the article.........

"and if that's not a big-enough piece of highway robbery, consider this: Denver has to give Cleveland a sixth-round pick in the 2011 draft"

Should be a pretty decent one the way the season's going.