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Bronco Rob
11-08-2010, 04:45 AM
Broncos have five games left against their top rivals


Call it the last crumb on the table for the win-starved Broncos.

They exit their bye week this morning, still 2-6 but residing in an AFC West race in which most of the games left within the division are still to be played.

Or as wide receiver Brandon Lloyd said, "We could hit that reset button."

The Broncos are in the division cellar, but lead the way with five division games remaining, beginning Sunday when kansas city comes to Denver. The Chargers and chefs each have four division games remaining and the Raiders have three.

And with the chefs' loss in Oakland on Sunday, hope still springs eternal in all of the division's outposts, even a last-gasp wisp in Denver.

"We understand . . . we still have an opportunity to win the division," Broncos linebacker Mario Haggan said, just before adding he understood if nobody outside the Broncos' locker room believed in those words.

The chefs (5-3), having not finished a season with a winning record since 2006 . They are playing a last place schedule and sport an infusion of youth courtesy their last two drafts and have a win over the Chargers in their pocket already this season, having defeated San Diego in the season opener.

The chefs still have both meetings with Denver remaining to go with a trip to San Diego (Dec. 12). They also don't have a team that currently has a winning record remaining on their schedule.

The Raiders' flirtation with new-found optimism continued with Sunday's overtime win, and at 5-4 the Raiders are in their best position in years to play meaningful games down the stretch. After their bye this week, however, they face a daunting stretch that includes the Steelers, Dolphins, Jaguars and Colts, in addition to division games with the chefs and Chargers.

When all is said and done, history, at least the previous four seasons' worth, says the Chargers will be worth watching as things unfold over the next eight weeks.

San Diego has made a habit of a slow start that becomes a sprint to the finish.

The Chargers won their last 10 games in 2006, won their last six in 2007, won their last four in 2008 and won their last 11 games last season, overtaking everybody in front of them to win division titles in each of those years.

San Diego won its second consecutive game Sunday, at Houston, to improve to 4-5 heading into its bye week. The Chargers' next game will be Monday, Nov. 22, against the Broncos in San Diego.

"This game isn't about relief," Chargers coach Norv Turner told the media following Sunday's win. "I'm excited we're playing better, that we won a game on the road,"

If not for dismal special- teams play they've allowed three return touchdowns this season to go with two blocked punts as well as a deflected punt that went just 1 yard the Chargers might have been closer to the front in the division.

They have sported the league's No. 1 offense and No. 1 defense in recent weeks, and quarterback Philip Rivers is the league leader in both passing yards and passing touchdowns, no matter who seems to line up at receiver.

Sunday, Rivers threw for 295 yards to go with four touchdowns despite tight end Antonio Gates and wide receiver Malcom Floyd missing the game with injuries.

"Philip, the best thing about him is the way he competes," Turner said following Sunday's win. " . . . And he makes a lot of guys look like real good players."



http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_16552228

Jesterhole
11-08-2010, 05:19 AM
The best we can really hope for at this point is a high pick, an easy schedule next year, and a new coach. Sucks to admit, but this team shows no signs of being able to win one tough game, let alone run the table.

lostknight
11-08-2010, 05:43 AM
Chiefs had the easiest schedule thus far, and have the easiest remaining schedule. Their record is probably more a reflection of the fact that Scott Pioli knew someone at NFL scheduling, probably in a biblical way, given how much easier their schedule is then anyone elses.

Denver has the next "easiest" schedule, but that schedule is looking harder and harder given we have the entire AFC west in front of us, and a few humiliating defeats behind us.

San Diego's schedule is about the same as ours, now that they played the hardest remaining game on their schedule - the Texans.

Oakland's remaining schedule is brutal. If they win the AFC West, they deserve it.

tsiguy96
11-08-2010, 06:08 AM
Chiefs had the easiest schedule thus far, and have the easiest remaining schedule. Their record is probably more a reflection of the fact that Scott Pioli knew someone at NFL scheduling, probably in a biblical way, given how much easier their schedule is then anyone elses.

Denver has the next "easiest" schedule, but that schedule is looking harder and harder given we have the entire AFC west in front of us, and a few humiliating defeats behind us.

San Diego's schedule is about the same as ours, now that they played the hardest remaining game on their schedule - the Texans.

Oakland's remaining schedule is brutal. If they win the AFC West, they deserve it.

chiefs have lost several of their last few games, they are done for the season. look for SD to come back and win the division again.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
11-08-2010, 06:59 AM
Firing McDaniels after this season would be a massive mistake. Give the guy a shot to coach his full roster and see what shakes out.

I don't think the team will be willing to pay two head coaches again.

Pick Six
11-08-2010, 10:09 AM
We CAN make up some ground in the AFC West, but that involves actually PLAYING BETTER and MAKING BETTER COACHING DECISIONS. I hope the team used this bye week to get some issues corrected on the field AND with the coaching staff...

TheProfessor
11-08-2010, 10:20 AM
Firing McDaniels after this season would be a massive mistake. Give the guy a shot to coach his full roster and see what shakes out.

I don't think the team will be willing to pay two head coaches again.

I have this terrible feeling that is the only reason he will be coaching here next year.

bendog
11-08-2010, 10:22 AM
I have this terrible feeling that is the only reason he will be coaching here next year.

IF they lose to the chefs at home, I think the only way the fans aren't going to get ugly is if a significant chunk of next year is lost to a lockout.

TheProfessor
11-08-2010, 10:24 AM
IF they lose to the chefs at home, I think the only way the fans aren't going to get ugly is if a significant chunk of next year is lost to a lockout.

I think that is what Bowlen is betting on.

Homer Simpson
11-08-2010, 10:28 AM
The best we can really hope for at this point is a high pick, an easy schedule next year, and a new coach. Sucks to admit, but this team shows no signs of being able to win one tough game, let alone run the table.

That's just plain wrong. The over reaction here is incredible. We played the Colts tough, we lost to the Jets on a fluke/bad luck, we destroyed the Seahawks. We had two absolutely horrible weeks then the bye, during which a few players that were jettisoned played well.

Bronco Yoda
11-08-2010, 10:42 AM
Too bad we're not playing the AFC East instead. McD might actualy get the team ready to go.

I do not want to start over with a new head coach!

However....

...I've said it before, and I'll say it again. If McD losses again to the Raiders, I want him fired before he hits the showers!!!!!! I'd make it known that he needs not even ride back with the team. Hand over your keys as you pass the Black Hole.

Furthermore. He better at least split the KFC games or he's done after this season.

The Bolts are still stronger than us and have had our number. But McD still needs to show he can be COMPETITIVE in these two games or he's done after this season.

He best damn well better learn to get our team up for the divisional games or he can hit the road for all I care. I don't expect miracles, but I do expect some fire in the grill from McD when it comes to our own back yard BBQ's.

Kaylore
11-08-2010, 10:53 AM
It's like I said, when we lost Dumervil we went from good to average. Losing Ayers we went from average to suck. The rest is just salt in the wound. We're a team that will be extremely lucky to win more than 2 games the rest of the year. And I'm totally convinced the Bills could beat us.

bendog
11-08-2010, 10:55 AM
3 of the front 7 are legit nfl starters, and two are hurt, but the defense sucked before they were hurt.

cutthemdown
11-08-2010, 10:58 AM
Great we get to look forward to losing a bunch more. All 3 west teams loads better then Denver. KC, SD probably blow us out also.

cutthemdown
11-08-2010, 10:59 AM
It's like I said, when we lost Dumervil we went from good to average. Losing Ayers we went from average to suck. The rest is just salt in the wound. We're a team that will be extremely lucky to win more than 2 games the rest of the year. And I'm totally convinced the Bills could beat us.

Finally on board with my preseason assessment of the team. Back then you said I knew nothing about football.

cutthemdown
11-08-2010, 11:02 AM
You people are crazy if you think are only problems are doom and ayers being gone. Doom was huge, Ayers is decent, but the defense had these same problems last yr with doom. He only made the defense funner to watch but not much more effective.

One of the huge problems are the safety spots. They have been really crappy. Dawkins is slowing way down and after him there isn't one NFL roster worthy player. Well maybe bkups for ST but no bonafide starters.

The corners are over-rated outside of Bailey.

And the linebacking stinks. DJ not cut out for a 3-4, all the rest of them are junk.

cutthemdown
11-08-2010, 11:03 AM
It's like I said, when we lost Dumervil we went from good to average. Losing Ayers we went from average to suck. The rest is just salt in the wound. We're a team that will be extremely lucky to win more than 2 games the rest of the year. And I'm totally convinced the Bills could beat us.

Did i not say in preseason Broncos will probably only win 4-5 games. Then I said maybe they get to 8-8 if some rookies really step up on the oline. Nothing about this yr is surprising except maybe Ortons yardage totals.

Merlin
11-08-2010, 11:05 AM
That's just plain wrong. The over reaction here is incredible. We played the Colts tough, we lost to the Jets on a fluke/bad luck, we destroyed the Seahawks. We had two absolutely horrible weeks then the bye, during which a few players that were jettisoned played well.
Yes, don't let their 4-14 record in the past 18 games or 2-6 this season dissuade you. To paraphrase Parcells, they are no better than their record, and it has been clearly trending in one direction...to suggest otherwise is nothing more than Homerism ;D

go_broncos
11-08-2010, 11:05 AM
You people are crazy if you think are only problems are doom and ayers being gone. Doom was huge, Ayers is decent, but the defense had these same problems last yr with doom. He only made the defense funner to watch but not much more effective.

One of the huge problems are the safety spots. They have been really crappy. Dawkins is slowing way down and after him there isn't one NFL roster worthy player. Well maybe bkups for ST but no bonafide starters.

The corners are over-rated outside of Bailey.

And the linebacking stinks. DJ not cut out for a 3-4, all the rest of them are junk.

Injury excuse is given by Mcd lovers.
Doom played last season and was not effective during later part of the season.
Every team has injury excuses..We lost to a 3rd String QB(Troy Smith).

Merlin
11-08-2010, 11:09 AM
One can make a very reasonable argument that Denver will likely win only two more games the rest of the season. Every team left on the plate has been improving, including the Bills. Despite the recent losses by KC, they have looked far better than Denver, and it would not be surprising if they swept Denver.

Beantown Bronco
11-08-2010, 11:10 AM
One can make a very reasonable argument that Denver will likely win only two more games the rest of the season. Every team left on the plate has been improving, including the Bills. Despite the recent losses by KC, they have looked far better than Denver, and it would not be surprising if they swept Denver.

We don't play the Bills.

bendog
11-08-2010, 11:25 AM
We don't play the Bills.

Just destroy every little hope there is, why don't you.

Beantown Bronco
11-08-2010, 11:28 AM
Just destroy every little hope there is, why don't you.

To be honest, there are plenty of teams I'd want to play over them right now.

Merlin
11-08-2010, 11:28 AM
We don't play the Bills.
Thanks, a couple of thoughts got commingled. Every team on our plate has been improving, and the same can be said of the win-less Bill for the past couple of games.

Merlin
11-08-2010, 11:30 AM
To be honest, there are plenty of teams I'd want to play over them right now.
They could easily have gotten a couple of quality wins in the past couple of weeks...sometimes it's a bitch to crawl out of one's losing ways.

TheChamp24
11-08-2010, 11:33 AM
It's like I said, when we lost Dumervil we went from good to average. Losing Ayers we went from average to suck. The rest is just salt in the wound. We're a team that will be extremely lucky to win more than 2 games the rest of the year. And I'm totally convinced the Bills could beat us.

Personally I'd argue we never reached that "good" category. Probably at best we were average.
Now it looks like we were below average before the injuries and with them, we are crap.

Bronco Yoda
11-08-2010, 12:38 PM
on the bright side.... we didn't stink it up Sunday :)

JJJ
11-08-2010, 12:47 PM
1000% positive you will beat the Chiefs this week. Its my lock of the week.

Raiders win at most 3 more games.

Chiefs post a 9-7 record and it will be up to SD to try and match that. Think they end up at 8-8 along with the Raiders. Chiefs one and done in playoffs.

Kaylore
11-08-2010, 01:04 PM
1000% positive you will beat the Chiefs this week.
False.

TheChamp24
11-08-2010, 02:41 PM
Chargers I believe will finish 10-6 and in the playoffs, Chiefs will finish at best 9-7, Raiders 8-8, and Broncos 5-11.

cutthemdown
11-08-2010, 04:01 PM
Injury excuse is given by Mcd lovers.
Doom played last season and was not effective during later part of the season.
Every team has injury excuses..We lost to a 3rd String QB(Troy Smith).

I actually like Mcd. I think some of the things blowing up in his face are sort of freaky. Hillis is one. Really though Marshall still not scoring enough TDs for 10 mil a yr. Lloyd looks as good as him. That sort of washes it because he gets 2 picks for him.

On the oline we were already in bad shape inside. The Clady injury not Mcd fault. His rookie oline picks not being good, or playing them too soon, probably is. The dline really not his fault it sucked already then best player got injured.

I'm not a MCD hater I just looked at the roster in pre season and was like man only 3-4 Broncos would even start on the Raiders.....that isn't good.

Thats how I asses teams. I look at Broncos and go spot by spot with the afc west competition. When you start having whole dlines, and whole linebacker corps better then what we have you sort of know its going to be a long yr.

I think we should stick with Mcd. Get Wade Phillips to coach defense and try and fix this thing.

Unless that is we can get Gruden and Phillips. That would be a coup IMO.

cutthemdown
11-08-2010, 04:01 PM
I know people bag on wade but he knows how to put together a good 3-4 defense. If anything Garrett and Jones moves on the roster as much to blame as Phillips.

colonelbeef
11-08-2010, 04:32 PM
What, are Miami and the Jets on the schedule 5 more times this year?

orinjkrush
11-08-2010, 06:32 PM
i like McD. with seasoning, he will be a good MAJOR. at present he is a CAPTAIN. there is no way he is ready to be either a LT COL or a COL or a GEN (which he is currently employed as).

give him 10 years. he will be GOOD.

Paniero
11-08-2010, 06:51 PM
chiefs have lost several of their last few games, they are done for the season. look for SD to come back and win the division again.

This is blatant homerism, and for that I must laugh.

I'm a KC fan, and don't log on here just to talk trash. That being said, KC has been competitive in the late fourth quarter of all 3 losses, all of which have come on the road.

To say KC is done for the season is an ignorant statement. Unlike last year at this time when I congratulated the start of the Denver season, this year I send my condolences while still hoping for a good game between KC and Denver.

Bronco Rob
11-09-2010, 04:16 AM
This is blatant homerism, and for that I must laugh.

I'm a KC fan, and don't log on here just to talk trash. That being said, KC has been competitive in the late fourth quarter of all 3 losses, all of which have come on the road.

To say KC is done for the season is an ignorant statement. Unlike last year at this time when I congratulated the start of the Denver season, this year I send my condolences while still hoping for a good game between KC and Denver.


If your starting QB is Matt Ca$$el you are done for the season...

CEH
11-09-2010, 06:43 AM
This is blatant homerism, and for that I must laugh.

I'm a KC fan, and don't log on here just to talk trash. That being said, KC has been competitive in the late fourth quarter of all 3 losses, all of which have come on the road.

To say KC is done for the season is an ignorant statement. Unlike last year at this time when I congratulated the start of the Denver season, this year I send my condolences while still hoping for a good game between KC and Denver.

If someone can get Dwanye Bowe to catch a standard NFL pass KC would have one for sure maybe 2 more wins. The guy is so not clutch