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tsiguy96
11-07-2010, 05:36 AM
considering CBA is done, make this guy the highest paid G in the league and get some stability on the left side. clady/mankins/someone/kuper/harris(beadles) seems pretty damn good to me if they are all healthy

Jesterhole
11-07-2010, 06:18 AM
I really wish we hadn't let Wiegmann go. With all the b****ing about Hillis around here, this was a bigger mistake and has cost us more pain.

I like making O-line a priority, but paying top dollar for a guard seems absurd.

tsiguy96
11-07-2010, 06:20 AM
I really wish we hadn't let Wiegmann go. With all the b****ing about Hillis around here, this was a bigger mistake and has cost us more pain.

I like making O-line a priority, but paying top dollar for a guard seems absurd.

you know what is absurd? not fixing positions that need to be addressed.

Broncoman13
11-07-2010, 06:39 AM
considering CBA is done, make this guy the highest paid G in the league and get some stability on the left side. clady/mankins/someone/kuper/harris(beadles) seems pretty damn good to me if they are all healthy

Yeah, I can see Mankins wanting to come and play for McD... NOT!

You should probably get used to the idea that McD isn't going to be here next year. We have a lot of talent along the OL as it is. Our resources (however limited they may be at this point) should be spent on defense. Truly, we need an overhaul on defense. Entire DL, Two LBs, Two Safeties and One CB. Yup, we have three guys that I can see retaining going forward on defense. Ayers, Doom, and Champ... and Champ may already be done in Denver. This is Mike Shanahan/Bates 2008 all over again. What looked like a step forward was actually a side step and you could argue that we took a step backward.

When you have 10+ holes to fill you don't have the luxury of paying an OG top money.

tsiguy96
11-07-2010, 06:40 AM
Yeah, I can see Mankins wanting to come and play for McD... NOT!

You should probably get used to the idea that McD isn't going to be here next year. We have a lot of talent along the OL as it is. Our resources (however limited they may be at this point) should be spent on defense. Truly, we need an overhaul on defense. Entire DL, Two LBs, Two Safeties and One CB. Yup, we have three guys that I can see retaining going forward on defense. Ayers, Doom, and Champ... and Champ may already be done in Denver. This is Mike Shanahan/Bates 2008 all over again. What looked like a step forward was actually a side step and you could argue that we took a step backward.

When you have 10+ holes to fill you don't have the luxury of paying an OG top money.

yea, reports by adam schefter should be ignored for your own input.

Broncoman13
11-07-2010, 06:42 AM
you know what is absurd? not fixing positions that need to be addressed.

Sure would be nice to throw top money to a player of Mankins' caliber, but you just can't do that when you have to fill so many holes.

TE, OG, ILB, DL, Safety, 1 CB, not to mention a full staff of defensive and ST coaches.

I did forget to include DJ Williams earlier. He misses a few plays here and there, but he is far from the problem on defense. He should be included in the must keep players on defense... all 4 of them!

Broncoman13
11-07-2010, 06:47 AM
yea, reports by adam schefter should be ignored for your own input.

Adam Schefter's connection was Mike Shanahan. He isn't as well connected as he once was in Denver.

You can believe this much, after the Oakland debacle there was at the bare minimum a discussion regarding Josh's immediate future as the HC. After the Niners game there was more discussion. McD has sold his players (and the Broncos FO) on the bulk of the 2nd half being vs the division. His future hangs on the outcome of those games. Personally, I don't think we'll get bombed like we did a couple weeks ago... but I don't think we'll win more than two division games this year.

tsiguy96
11-07-2010, 06:49 AM
Adam Schefter's connection was Mike Shanahan. He isn't as well connected as he once was in Denver.

You can believe this much, after the Oakland debacle there was at the bare minimum a discussion regarding Josh's immediate future as the HC. After the Niners game there was more discussion. McD has sold his players (and the Broncos FO) on the bulk of the 2nd half being vs the division. His future hangs on the outcome of those games. Personally, I don't think we'll get bombed like we did a couple weeks ago... but I don't think we'll win more than two division games this year.

of course there was discussion regarding his future aka the end of the season, but at the end of the day it wont happen. mcd has shown flashes of being a great coach, no one can dispute this, even if it was a long time ago, its there. if bowlen thinks he can become a great coach for along time, he will wait out this period and give him another opportunity next year, guaranteed.

Broncoman13
11-07-2010, 07:33 AM
of course there was discussion regarding his future aka the end of the season, but at the end of the day it wont happen. mcd has shown flashes of being a great coach, no one can dispute this, even if it was a long time ago, its there. if bowlen thinks he can become a great coach for along time, he will wait out this period and give him another opportunity next year, guaranteed.

IF, If, if = Guarantee?

tsiguy96
11-07-2010, 07:56 AM
IF, If, if = Guarantee?

no, any of the above = guarantee

only way bowlen does not give mcd another shot is if he feels mcd has zero shot at taking this team the whole way, or will not be a good coach in this league.

go_broncos
11-07-2010, 07:58 AM
of course there was discussion regarding his future aka the end of the season, but at the end of the day it wont happen. mcd has shown flashes of being a great coach, no one can dispute this, even if it was a long time ago, its there. if bowlen thinks he can become a great coach for along time, he will wait out this period and give him another opportunity next year, guaranteed.

on what basis are you saying Mcd will become a great coach?
He doesn't adjust his scheme based on the player's he have.
He has shown flashes???
What flashes are you talking about?

tsiguy96
11-07-2010, 08:01 AM
on what basis are you saying Mcd will become a great coach?
He doesn't adjust his scheme based on the player's he have.
He has shown flashes???
What flashes are you talking about?

you are so dense its incredible. in case you dont remember, once upon a time, early in mcds head coaching career, he was undefeated for a significant stretch of time. of course you will credit that to everyone except him, but it doesnt change the fact that he was head coach and had significant contributions to the roster, gameplanning and game management of all those games. but of course its you, so none of that essentially happened.

GoBroncos84
11-07-2010, 09:45 AM
If it's at all possible, i'd put Haloti Ngata as the top free agent we should pursue. Mankins would be 2nd. David Harris 3rd.

RaiderH8r
11-07-2010, 10:48 AM
Assuming McKid is here next season and a CBA is done (i.e. there is a season) I fully support the pursuit of Logan Mankins. Gimme.

Going off the walls in this thread over whether or not the kid is here next year is absurd, there are roughly 1.4 million other threads discussing that topic. Like I said, accepting the premise that the kid is here and there is a season then yes, Mankins would be a fine catch.

Popps
11-07-2010, 10:52 AM
Yea, I'm all in favor of making a marquee acquisition for the OL... DL or both.

Killericon
11-07-2010, 11:22 AM
Yea, I'm all in favor of making a marquee acquisition for the OL... DL or both.

I hear Jarvis Green is available.

/cuts like a knife

elsid13
11-07-2010, 11:28 AM
If it's at all possible, i'd put Haloti Ngata as the top free agent we should pursue. Mankins would be 2nd. David Harris 3rd.

Ngata is going no where and most likely Mankins and Harris will also stay put.

gyldenlove
11-07-2010, 11:39 AM
of course there was discussion regarding his future aka the end of the season, but at the end of the day it wont happen. mcd has shown flashes of being a great coach, no one can dispute this, even if it was a long time ago, its there. if bowlen thinks he can become a great coach for along time, he will wait out this period and give him another opportunity next year, guaranteed.

That is like saying the internet has shown flashes of being a great tool to integrate research and improve progress for all mankind. It may have been true once, but the vast majority of what goes on is a ****storm of porn, poor language and general idiocy.

You don't keep a coach around because he has done a few great things, if that was the case Shanahan would still be here, nobody can deny he brought us 2 Lombardi trophies.

If Mcdaniels can't produce improvement over the last 8 games of the season, it would be difficult to see any justification for keeping him around, the more he has molded the team the worse it has gotten. I doubt that Bowlen will want to pay 3 head coaches though, so he will probably stay for one last shot at turning this around, but there is not much on the field to justify it right now.

oubronco
11-07-2010, 11:40 AM
Yea, I'm all in favor of making a marquee acquisition for the OL... DL or both.

Exactly

lostknight
11-07-2010, 12:57 PM
No more patriots. Period. We've been nothing but ****ed by ex-patriots.

DBroncos4life
11-07-2010, 01:16 PM
No more patriots. Period. We've been nothing but ****ed by ex-patriots.

but but they know the system. Of course the pats system involves winning games and such.

Clockwork Orange
11-07-2010, 01:25 PM
you know what is absurd? not fixing positions that need to be addressed.

You mean like the front seven on defense? You know, the biggest problem on this team going back to before McDaniels was hired? The one that McDaniels has invested very little in because implementing his precious system was apparently much more important?

You're right. That is downright ****ing absurd.

colonelbeef
11-07-2010, 01:44 PM
Dumb.

Mankins was exposed by the Giants DL in the superbowl, time after time he was absolutely destroyed by Tuck and Strahan.

He is a decent OG, but not someone you break the bank over.

tsiguy96
11-07-2010, 01:48 PM
You mean like the front seven on defense? You know, the biggest problem on this team going back to before McDaniels was hired? The one that McDaniels has invested very little in because implementing his precious system was apparently much more important?

You're right. That is downright ****ing absurd.

when did i ever say ignore the DL? you just said this goes back to pre-mcdaniels, which is true, but then single out mcd for not fixing it. they need to,they need to spend first 3 picks on DL, LB and another DL. G spot is something we can fill in FA with mankins, hence the point of this thread.

Clockwork Orange
11-07-2010, 01:53 PM
when did i ever say ignore the DL? you just said this goes back to pre-mcdaniels, which is true, but then single out mcd for not fixing it. they need to,they need to spend first 3 picks on DL, LB and another DL. G spot is something we can fill in FA with mankins, hence the point of this thread.

He's been in charge for two offseasons now and has had a boatload of draft picks at his disposal, yet has shown little inclination to invest in the front seven. In fact, let's take a closer look at that:

19 draft picks in 2 years.
8 picks in the first 2 rounds of those drafts.
2 picks total invested in the front 7. A 1st in 2009 and a 7th in 2010.

Instead of dumping these resources into fixing this problem that existed when he took the job, he gives us the corpse of Jamal Williams, a marginal player like Justin Bannan and pays Louis Green $3 million to never play a meaningul snap for the team. So yeah, you're god damn right I'm gonna blame him for not fixing it.

WolfpackGuy
11-07-2010, 01:57 PM
The scheme and coaching are garbage.

Mankins wouldn't make a heck of a lot of difference anyways unless you want someone to be a nut puncher.

Clockwork Orange
11-07-2010, 02:00 PM
The scheme and coaching are garbage.

Mankins wouldn't make a heck of a lot of difference anyways unless you want someone to be a nut puncher.

It's also getting pretty tiresome to see all of these resources being poured into the offense while the defense is getting leftovers. This despite the fact that the defense (specifically the front seven) was the major problem on this team when this regime took over.

Popps
11-07-2010, 02:02 PM
It's also getting pretty tiresome to see all of these resources being poured into the offense while the defense is getting leftovers. This despite the fact that the defense (specifically the front seven) was the major problem on this team when this regime took over.

Yea, we need to make a Seymour-like move on the DL, for sure. But, I also think a "name" for the OL would be almost as helpful.

BroncoMan4ever
11-07-2010, 08:29 PM
I really wish we hadn't let Wiegmann go. With all the b****ing about Hillis around here, this was a bigger mistake and has cost us more pain.

I like making O-line a priority, but paying top dollar for a guard seems absurd.

the Weigman/Hamilton swinging gate makes the OL we have this year look like we are trotting out 5 All-Pro linemen

BroncoMan4ever
11-07-2010, 08:34 PM
It's also getting pretty tiresome to see all of these resources being poured into the offense while the defense is getting leftovers. This despite the fact that the defense (specifically the front seven) was the major problem on this team when this regime took over.

i understand what you are saying how we have invested heavily on offense in McD 2 drafts, but at the time of the drafts and when the team was on the clock, were there really any sure fire DL or front 7 guys available?

Sure we can look and say Orakpo would have been a wiser choice or Cushing or Matthews for that matter, but who can truly say that Ayers would not have looked even better than he did before injury had he had Doom lined up opposite of him?

Aside from the possible Ayers mistake that could have gotten us 3 elite pass rushers i don't recall seeing any front 7 help that we should have gone after during our picks.

what point does it serve to draft a player who really isn't an upgrade over who is already on the roster? drafting positions of need based on need as opposed to quality of player is how we ended up with guys like Moss and Crowder.

✡✡ JOSHUA ✡✡
11-07-2010, 08:53 PM
Mankins learned the hard way in New England that you don't back stab Jewish people or you get ****ed 100 times over!

Popps
11-07-2010, 09:01 PM
Mankins learned the hard way in New England that you don't back stab Jewish people or you get ****ed 100 times over!

:rofl:

Dude, how long can you keep this routine up.

ZONA
11-08-2010, 01:59 AM
Adam Schefter's connection was Mike Shanahan. He isn't as well connected as he once was in Denver.

You can believe this much, after the Oakland debacle there was at the bare minimum a discussion regarding Josh's immediate future as the HC. After the Niners game there was more discussion. McD has sold his players (and the Broncos FO) on the bulk of the 2nd half being vs the division. His future hangs on the outcome of those games. Personally, I don't think we'll get bombed like we did a couple weeks ago... but I don't think we'll win more than two division games this year.

The players made mistakes in that 49'er game that cost us a win. Keep throwing Josh under the bus for that loss. It's what people do that don't like him. Why don't you throw some players under the bus for that loss. It was after all mostly their fault. I thought the coaches called a damn good game. Threw in a flea flicker and all. Josh doesn't coach them to jump offsides, or throw INT's or fumble the ball. One of these days, you McD haters are going to have to face the facts that this is not all coaching mistakes. How about recognizing the insane amount of injuries, and bad play on the field for once.

RaiderH8r
11-08-2010, 06:19 AM
The players made mistakes in that 49'er game that cost us a win. Keep throwing Josh under the bus for that loss. It's what people do that don't like him. Why don't you throw some players under the bus for that loss. It was after all mostly their fault. I thought the coaches called a damn good game. Threw in a flea flicker and all. Josh doesn't coach them to jump offsides, or throw INT's or fumble the ball. One of these days, you McD haters are going to have to face the facts that this is not all coaching mistakes. How about recognizing the insane amount of injuries, and bad play on the field for once.

Lack of discipline, mental lapses, mistakes in calls (line calls, audibles, etc) and judgment, all of those things go to preparation and discipline which fall directly and entirely under the purview of the head coach.

Broncos_OTM
11-08-2010, 06:51 AM
Denver needs to draft efficiently not pay someone huge money to come here. Its a pretty stupid idea to tie that kind of money up on a interior of the line. with kupers salary and logan mankins we could have a pretty esxpensive DUO. Im sorry but the idea is retarded.

Broncos_OTM
11-08-2010, 06:54 AM
Mankins learned the hard way in New England that you don't back stab Jewish people or you get ****ed 100 times over!

Insightful. Does every post you make pertain to being a jew? Do you floss your jewness like this everywhere.

bendog
11-08-2010, 07:07 AM
The players made mistakes in that 49'er game that cost us a win. Keep throwing Josh under the bus for that loss. It's what people do that don't like him. Why don't you throw some players under the bus for that loss. It was after all mostly their fault. I thought the coaches called a damn good game. Threw in a flea flicker and all. Josh doesn't coach them to jump offsides, or throw INT's or fumble the ball. One of these days, you McD haters are going to have to face the facts that this is not all coaching mistakes. How about recognizing the insane amount of injuries, and bad play on the field for once.

But didn't Josh throw something like 30 guys off of shanny's last squad who couldn't play in this league? Didn't he have two EXTRA first rd picks after dumping culter? Didn't he trade hillis and picks for quinn? Didnt' he choke on A. Smith. This is JOSH"S team, and it sucks.

And Bowlen is paying the jack mankins wants.

Beantown Bronco
11-08-2010, 07:20 AM
No more patriots. Period. We've been nothing but ****ed by ex-patriots.

Jabar Gaffney has been solid and at times great, for short money. There's no way you can bad mouth that acquisition.

Beantown Bronco
11-08-2010, 07:22 AM
Yeah, I can see Mankins wanting to come and play for McD... NOT!

You should probably get used to the idea that McD isn't going to be here next year.

Read this again.

How can you say that Mankins won't come here because of McD and then say McD isn't even going to be here next year? It's one or the other (or neither, actually), but not both. It's literally impossible for both those statements to be true.

zdoor
11-08-2010, 07:35 AM
But didn't Josh throw something like 30 guys off of shanny's last squad who couldn't play in this league? Didn't he have two EXTRA first rd picks after dumping culter? Didn't he trade hillis and picks for quinn? Didnt' he choke on A. Smith. This is JOSH"S team, and it sucks.

And Bowlen is paying the jack mankins wants.

QFT. Mcdaniels game management is horrible for the most part. Hell, someone should tattoo 11 on the back of his hand so he can remember how many guys are on the field. And if you want to put it on the players, that still points to McDaniels. He's gotten rid of most of the talent we had and hand picked HIS guy's with a boatload of extra picks.. The results are pretty much there for anyone to see.