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Bob's your Information Minister
11-05-2010, 06:23 PM
I'm on an opinion-finding mission, and I figured I'd take a stab at the people who know the Broncos best.

Specifically, what do you remember about your feelings in 2005 prior to entering the playoffs with Plummer?

Did you feel confident he was going to take you somewhere after he shocked the world by throwing only 7 INT all year and winning 13 games? Or that eventually he would revert to his previous form?

Did you feel the Broncos were hiding him with the gameplan all year? Denver was near the top of the league in rushing and defense and the passing game was somewhat scaled back.

After the divisional win over the Patriots, did your opinion of Plummer change? Or did the fact he did almost nothing in that game to actually win it (Denver's scores, and particularly their touchdowns came almost entirely off short fields, Plummer did throw a 40-yard bomb that drew a pass interference penalty) mean anything?

How did you feel after he blew that game against Pittsburgh?

Just trying to get a feel for how you felt about Plummer at the crossroads of his Broncos career.

bowtown
11-05-2010, 06:25 PM
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Taco John
11-05-2010, 06:32 PM
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iforgotmypassword
11-05-2010, 06:40 PM
I loved him. we were the SB favs going into the conferece title game. Such a leader, people say we couldnt have won a SB with him. F that, look at some of the SB qb's.

iforgotmypassword
11-05-2010, 06:40 PM
2 first round picks the next year too.... he had no weapons on offense

Taco John
11-05-2010, 06:41 PM
All he's trying to do is start a Plummer argument on our forum. God help us if people fall for it.

Bob's your Information Minister
11-05-2010, 06:43 PM
All he's trying to do is start a Plummer argument on our forum. God help us if people fall for it.

Nah, this is legit. If you hadn't noticed, we have our own Jake Plummer this year. Your opinions on this subject have meaning towards our present plight.

Besides, you guys have a bye week. You should take some time to remember the best Broncos season in the last 10 years. The Season of the Snake.

Archer81
11-05-2010, 06:46 PM
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http://tinyurl.com/37c3uq4


:Broncos:

Taco John
11-05-2010, 06:48 PM
Nah, this is legit. If you hadn't noticed, we have our own Jake Plummer this year. Your opinions on this subject have meaning towards our present plight.

Besides, you guys have a bye week. You should take some time to remember the best Broncos season in the last 10 years. The Season of the Snake.

It has nothing to do with your plight. Jake Plummer was moving into his third season as a Bronco with two playoff experiences at his back moving into the 2005 post season. There's no comparison to be made between the two.

Crushisback
11-05-2010, 07:00 PM
**** off Bob. Pay your mom her rent and leave her keys on the counter she has to work tommorow.

Bob's your Information Minister
11-05-2010, 07:04 PM
It has nothing to do with your plight. Jake Plummer was moving into his third season as a Bronco with two playoff experiences at his back moving into the 2005 post season. There's no comparison to be made between the two.

Admittedly, Cassel is a poor man's Plummer.

Blueflame
11-05-2010, 07:07 PM
Ribeye steaks make a wonderful dinner....

Rigs11
11-05-2010, 07:08 PM
Plummer was a badass. All we needed were a couple pieces and we would have won the sb. Shanny dismantled that team, he lost me after that.

oubronco
11-05-2010, 07:13 PM
Ribeye steaks make a wonderful dinner....

Damn skippy

broncswin
11-05-2010, 07:30 PM
I liked plummer...good guy

broncswin
11-05-2010, 07:30 PM
I loved the guy in my avtar...greatest ever!!

McDman
11-05-2010, 07:37 PM
Yeah, Plummer was pretty good. People hated on the guy, but there wasn't a better QB while rolling out.

ColoradoDarin
11-05-2010, 08:03 PM
This message is hidden because Bob's your Information Minister is on your ignore list (http://www.orangemane.com/BB/profile.php?do=ignorelist).

I had ribs at Sonny's tonight for dinner with the family and a few friends. Me and my buddy split a pitcher of beer (ugh Bud, but that's about all they had). Love having a preggo wife for DD though!

Jason in LA
11-05-2010, 08:49 PM
'04 Plummer pissed me off. '05 Plummer, I liked a lot... until the AFC Championship Game, where he played like the '04 Plummer (I'm not saying it was all his fault, the defense sucked ass that day too.)

FantomForce
11-05-2010, 09:26 PM
I thought after the AFC championship that he coulda taken us to the Super Bowl, but wasn't to keen on his chances in the big game

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11-05-2010, 09:42 PM
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11-05-2010, 10:19 PM
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GoBroncos84
11-05-2010, 10:26 PM
After playing in the AFC Championship game, I was not expecting us to draft Cutler or any other quarterback as high as we did. But there was no question that Jake played himself out of the job. He was beyond horrendous while Jay was on the bench looking over his shoulder. A case could be made that had the draft pick not been made, maybe Jake is more confident and secure and plays better. But by the time we finally started Cutler in his rookie year I had felt like it was a few weeks too late. We weren't going to keep winning with Jake playing like that. We were very lucky to have what wins we did have at that point of the season. We won despite his play, not because of it.

Prior to that season, I definitely felt Jake could take us to the Super Bowl and possibly win it if we had a good enough team around him. There was also a good possibility he would throw the game away. But I liked the guy.

epicSocialism4tw
11-05-2010, 10:31 PM
'04 Plummer pissed me off. '05 Plummer, I liked a lot... until the AFC Championship Game, where he played like the '04 Plummer (I'm not saying it was all his fault, the defense sucked ass that day too.)

Dominique Foxworth got abused play after play after play after play after play after play after play after play all day long.

They literally threw to his side of the field whenever they wanted to. He was so bad you had to think he was on the take.

Not having a pass rush combined with Foxworth's inability to remotely come close to shutting down any given play to his side of the field ended up killing us quickly.

That was the last playoff team we had though, and Plummer was a big reason why.

The MVPlaya
11-05-2010, 10:35 PM
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Los Broncos
11-05-2010, 10:45 PM
Ribeye steaks make a wonderful dinner....

I had the McRibb tonight.

Wes Mantooth
11-05-2010, 10:48 PM
I had the McRibb tonight.

Man I want fourth meal, but am too lazy to get it!

HAT
11-05-2010, 10:49 PM
Ribeye steaks make a wonderful dinner....

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/87/Ribeye-MCB-MaggieO.jpg

Los Broncos
11-05-2010, 10:50 PM
Man I want fourth meal, but am too lazy to get it!

I should start a service where I go and get food for people who are to lazy.

extralife
11-05-2010, 11:18 PM
Did you feel the Broncos were hiding him with the gameplan all year?

This.

You don't get super bowl qbs on the free agent market, so I wasn't exactly ready for Plummer to come in and lead us to the promised land. Griese lost his balls and we were caught with our pants down, so we had to do something. Shanahan proved himself a Hall of Fame coach in '05, because that teams had no business winning 13 games. Plummer was incapable of throwing the ball from the pocket. He couldn't read a defense. All his passes over fifteen yards sailed.

That said, after Pittsburgh beat the Colts I thought we were about to win the super bowl.

gunns
11-05-2010, 11:24 PM
I should start a service where I go and get food for people who are to lazy.

Or that have the munchies. You'd make a fortune.

I love a big baked potato with my ribeye, with good slathers of butter and sour cream and a tossed salad with blue cheese dressing. MMmmmm, nothing says fattening and good like butter and sour cream.

Los Broncos
11-05-2010, 11:55 PM
Or that have the munchies. You'd make a fortune.

I love a big baked potato with my ribeye, with good slathers of butter and sour cream and a tossed salad with blue cheese dressing. MMmmmm, nothing says fattening and good like butter and sour cream.

Nice, let me know if you need me to make a run.

Blart
11-05-2010, 11:59 PM
I was confident. Great QB, great scrambler and improviser, he could make a lot happen with very little.

He did not blow the stealer game, a ****ty running game and our defense giving up 34 points did.

crazyhorse
11-06-2010, 12:58 AM
It has nothing to do with your plight. Jake Plummer was moving into his third season as a Bronco with two playoff experiences at his back moving into the 2005 post season. There's no comparison to be made between the two.

This is all he does now. Cassell bashing. Problem is, no one is really argueing with him. Just telling him to find a new mission. He says he's "building a case". So here he is. Building his case using Plummer, I guess. Like you though, I dont see the resemblence.

He's just being the dip**** he always is. Dumb and numb to reality. Nobody gives a damn. But he gets some positive rep from a few posters and that drives bob.

Unfortunately, he's not getting the responses he's looking for to "build his case". What a dumbass. The hits just keep on coming with this guy.

Taco John
11-06-2010, 01:04 AM
If Bob wants to build a case against Plummer, all he has to do is count the staggering number of turnovers the guy committed in Game 1 of every season of his career, Prime Time night games, and Playoff games. They're pretty damn sobering numbers.

TDmvp
11-06-2010, 01:45 AM
Full discloser ... Liked Jake , thought you could win a title with Jake on the right team and I also didn't mind taking Jay while we had Jake if Mike though Jay was the future with Jake not being a young guy.


There was a lot more reasons we lost to the Steelers then just Jake ...

Pitt. faced 3rd and like + 10 in that game like 12 times and was like 10 of 12 ...

So lets put Plummer lost us that game to bed thank you.

And also WHEN you know you have Jake Plummer , who I liked but has limitations , YOU do not do things like we did at the end of the first half in that game and hand the other team points. We seemed desperate and I figure it was because they was scoring on us every time they touched the ball.


But if you sit through that game and just came away with JAKE PLUMMER SUCKS !!!

you are a little jaded by Jake hate i think because after that game Jake was one of the things way down on the list of things I was pi$$3d about ...

And #1 on that list was our D giving up 10 or so 3rd in longs... We would get a sack , a false start and get them into 3rd and long and they would hit something for 20 over and over...

Taco John
11-06-2010, 02:54 AM
I didn't come away from that game thinking Jake Plummer sucks. It was the combination of all his big games that I came away with that impression.

Jake put a gun to the head of our defense with two turnovers in the first half and then pulled the trigger with two turnovers in the second half. They didn't do anything in the first half to help themselves out, that's for sure. But in the second half they pulled it together, and Jake still sent them out there to defend the short field.

We had an opportunity to get that game under control in the second half, but Jake didn't have it in him to hold onto the ball and drive the team for a score. You can't commit 4 turnovers and expect your defense to stop another playoff team from scoring. That team was good enough to win a Superbowl if Jake had it in him to keep the ship steady. Our defense would have been just fine with a touchdown or two underneath their feet.

HorseHead
11-06-2010, 05:34 AM
weird first 10 minutes of that Steeler game...

if we get the sack, and if Champ picks that pass off that bounced, history might have been a little different...

tebowisdabomb
11-06-2010, 08:06 AM
Plummer was the best QB since the Illegally paid Elway to wear a Donks uniform

Spider
11-06-2010, 08:11 AM
I'm on an opinion-finding mission, and I figured I'd take a stab at the people who know the Broncos best.

Specifically, what do you remember about your feelings in 2005 prior to entering the playoffs with Plummer?

Did you feel confident he was going to take you somewhere after he shocked the world by throwing only 7 INT all year and winning 13 games? Or that eventually he would revert to his previous form?

Did you feel the Broncos were hiding him with the gameplan all year? Denver was near the top of the league in rushing and defense and the passing game was somewhat scaled back.

After the divisional win over the Patriots, did your opinion of Plummer change? Or did the fact he did almost nothing in that game to actually win it (Denver's scores, and particularly their touchdowns came almost entirely off short fields, Plummer did throw a 40-yard bomb that drew a pass interference penalty) mean anything?

How did you feel after he blew that game against Pittsburgh?

Just trying to get a feel for how you felt about Plummer at the crossroads of his Broncos career.

how did you feel when your man trick slid off the satin sheets cause of to much hot oil on his body ?

Jason in LA
11-06-2010, 09:29 AM
Dominique Foxworth got abused play after play after play after play after play after play after play after play all day long.

They literally threw to his side of the field whenever they wanted to. He was so bad you had to think he was on the take.

Not having a pass rush combined with Foxworth's inability to remotely come close to shutting down any given play to his side of the field ended up killing us quickly.

That was the last playoff team we had though, and Plummer was a big reason why.

Like I clearly pointed out, it wasn't all Plummer's fault because the defense clearly sucked ass that day. But Plummer sucked ass too that day. If he leads them to some early points then they are in that game. But when the Steelers put some early points on the board the Broncos offensively could not answer. Actually, they didn't answer all game. The offense played as poorly as the defense that day. It was an all around team effort to suck ass that badly that day.

Jason in LA
11-06-2010, 09:30 AM
I had the McRibb tonight.

I've had three this week. Those things are awesome!

broncswin
11-06-2010, 10:08 AM
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. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ./ It’s a trap! \
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ,,,—~~~~~~~~—, . . . .\ ._________/
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . ,-‘ : : : :::: :::: :: : : : : :Ί ‘-, . . \/. . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . .,-‘ :: : : :::: :::: :::: :::: : : :: : ‘-, . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . ,-‘ :: ::: :: : : :: :::: :::: :: : : : : :O ‘-, . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . .,-‘ : :: :: :: :: :: : : : : : , : : :Ί :::: :::: ::’; . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . .,-‘ / / : :: :: :: :: : : :::: :::-, ;; ;; ;; ;; ;; ;; ;\ . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . /,-‘,’ :: : : : : : : : : :: :: :: : ‘-, ;; ;; ;; ;; ;; ;;| . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . /,’,-‘ :: :: :: :: :: :: :: : ::,-~~,’-, ;; ;; ;; ;; | . . . . . . .
. . . . . / :,’ :/ :: :: :: : : :: :: _,-‘/ : ,-‘;’-‘’’’’~-, ;; ;; ;;,’ . . . . . . . .
. . . ,-‘ / : : : : : : ,-‘’’ : : :,—‘’ :|| /,-‘-‘—‘’’,’’’ \ ;; ;,-‘ . . . . . . . .
. . . \ :/,, : : : _,-‘ —,, : : \ :\ ||/ /,-‘-‘x### ::\ \ ;;/ . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . \/ /—-‘’’’ : \ #\ : :\ : : \ :\ \| | : (O##Ί : :/ /-‘’ . . . . . . . . . . .
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Not a trap...just answer the question and move on...what the hell is wrong with us not talking football anymore...screw the queefs and faid and chuggers fans...just talk broncos football.

Popps
11-06-2010, 10:08 AM
We had an opportunity to get that game under control in the second half.

Hilarious!

****ing 24 to 3 at the half, and it's our OFFENSE'S fault we didn't "get the game under control."

How about our defense shows up that game instead of laying down for yet another first half playoff record of some sort.

Then again, its the same thing our defenses did against Manning. Anyone remember THAT first-half playoff record of points allowed? Or was it yards allowed? Or both?


"Get the game under control."

LOL

That's ****ing awesome. I love revisionist history.

rbackfactory80
11-06-2010, 10:14 AM
Hilarious!

****ing 24 to 3 at the half, and it's our OFFENSE'S fault we didn't "get the game under control."

How about our defense shows up that game instead of laying down for yet another first half playoff record of some sort.

Then again, its the same thing our defenses did against Manning. Anyone remember THAT first-half playoff record of points allowed? Or was it yards allowed? Or both?


"Get the game under control."

LOL

That's ****ing awesome. I love revisionist history.

When I read that post I almost died. He said "Jake put a gun to the defenses head". Wow. Plain and simple he has such a hatred for Plummer he can't objectively critique his tenure in Denver.

Popps
11-06-2010, 10:22 AM
When I read that post I almost died. He said "Jake put a gun to the defenses head". Wow. Plain and simple he has such a hatred for Plummer he can't objectively critique his tenure in Denver.

That's correct, sir.

loborugger
11-06-2010, 10:34 AM
Not a trap...just answer the question and move on...what the hell is wrong with us not talking football anymore...screw the queefs and faid and chuggers fans...just talk broncos football.

Well, do it in threads started by Broncos fans. Not bait threads started by doughboy to get us going at each other. Looks like Bob has succeeded in this thread.

loborugger
11-06-2010, 10:36 AM
how did you feel when your man trick slid off the satin sheets cause of to much hot oil on his body ?

Basement floors tend to be hard and cold, no doubt.

Archer81
11-06-2010, 11:05 AM
Plummer was the best QB since the Illegally paid Elway to wear a Donks uniform


How is something illegal when no rule existed against it?


Shut the **** up.


:Broncos:

Taco John
11-06-2010, 11:11 AM
Hilarious!

****ing 24 to 3 at the half, and it's our OFFENSE'S fault we didn't "get the game under control."

How about our defense shows up that game instead of laying down for yet another first half playoff record of some sort.


We had opportunities to score in the first half of football. You understand enough about the game to know that turning the ball over and giving the opposing offense the short field is not the same thing as scoring a touchdown.

At the bare minimum, we should have left the first half of football with a single touchdown.

broncosteven
11-06-2010, 11:25 AM
Hilarious!

****ing 24 to 3 at the half, and it's our OFFENSE'S fault we didn't "get the game under control."

How about our defense shows up that game instead of laying down for yet another first half playoff record of some sort.

Then again, its the same thing our defenses did against Manning. Anyone remember THAT first-half playoff record of points allowed? Or was it yards allowed? Or both?


"Get the game under control."

LOL

That's ****ing awesome. I love revisionist history.

This is the 3rd time this week I have agreed with Popps.

I remember getting in an argument with Med the next day that the D sucked and were the reason that we lost vs Pitt.

That said Plummer was not the long term answer. He had one playoff win in 3 years, the Indy games are epic in their scope of failure.

People forget that the last time there were boo's heard in MH, before the Oakland game this year, was the 2005 week2 game vs SD. They were directed at Plummer.

If Champ doesn't get that pic 6 to start the 2nd half that season is a lot different.

I think it came down to the D playing above their potential all year (I think Champ had a career year) and Jake still being able to roll out of the pocket just enough for a play to keep a drive going and the run game being good enough to win a lot of games. But when Pitt rolled into town they took away the boot and Plummers career was over.

Taco John
11-06-2010, 11:35 AM
I remember getting in an argument with Med the next day that the D sucked and were the reason that we lost vs Pitt.


Med was right.

It blows my mind that anyone could see a 4 turnover performance, and then say something like "the defense was the reason that we lost," in a way like it's even out of the question to bring up Plummer's awful performance. Plummer didn't turnover those 4 balls because of our defense. He turned them over because he was asked to be something more than "No Mistake Jake."

I could understand if the take was, "defense was terrible, but/and Jake turned the ball four times on them." But people that defend Plummer's performance do it so completely irrationally, hanging the defense out to dry just as bad or worse than Jake did.

That defense got hung out to dry in that game.

Popps
11-06-2010, 12:15 PM
Med was right.

It blows my mind ....

That's why you're not a coach.

If you assume the way to win playoff games is to come in.... lay down on defense to the tun of playoff records and expect a QB to mop up some kind of ****-mess, you just have no idea what you're looking at.

No QB on earth could have saved us that day. Our defense had no intention of stopping anyone. The only reason that game wasn't worse was Pittsburgh settled in, ran the ball and knew they didn't have to do much after our 1st half defensive collapse.

Of course, the Indy games were basically over by the 2nd quarter due to our defensive ineptitude.

Anyway, it's a shame we had to lose our great coach because he couldn't make the proper improvements. Even worse, he pinned hopes on a QB who was a total joke.

Popps
11-06-2010, 12:18 PM
imum, we should have left the first half of football with a single touchdown.

Again, no mention of the 24 points Pittsburgh gashed us for... only the mystical, magical, fantasy QB that should have come riding in on a white horse...


Meanwhile, Denver got into a SB 7 years earlier by winning game 14-10.

Sometimes defenses actually have to show up and play in big games. This isn't PlayStation.

Jason in LA
11-06-2010, 12:29 PM
We had opportunities to score in the first half of football. You understand enough about the game to know that turning the ball over and giving the opposing offense the short field is not the same thing as scoring a touchdown.

At the bare minimum, we should have left the first half of football with a single touchdown.

I agree. The offense should have produced something in that half.

I've never put all the blame on Plummer for that loss because the defense got killed that day. No question about that. They gave up 24 points in the first half. Anyway you look at it that's just bad. But on the flip side Plummer and the offense only scored 3 points in that half. Sorry, but that's just as bad as the defense giving up 24. Lets say the defense gives up one less TD, and the offense scores a TD, hey, it's a 17-10 ball game at halftime. They'd be in the game.

So I'd say that putting the blame on one side of the ball is silly. They sucked on both sides of the ball.

Taco John
11-06-2010, 12:30 PM
Say what you want about me not being the coach - but the coach we did have apparently agreed with my take, and was validated for it the following season when Jake quit on his teammates and we got to watch the defense carry him around for half a season. History proves me right. Jake quit. He let the defense carry him for a season. And then he finally had to be replaced to the point where even his staunches defenders on this forum finally threw up their hands and said it had to be done. Don't even pretend like you weren't one of them.

Taco John
11-06-2010, 12:34 PM
So I'd say that putting the blame on one side of the ball is silly. They sucked on both sides of the ball.

I agree with this. But my only caveat is that I don't think our defense would have given up 24 points in a single half if Jake didn't turn the ball over twice. I think they'd more likely have given up 17 (the number you indicated). It's still a poor result, but not insurmountable.

Here's the equation:

1 less turnover would have equalled 1 less TD.

Taco John
11-06-2010, 12:38 PM
Again, no mention of the 24 points Pittsburgh gashed us for... only the mystical, magical, fantasy QB that should have come riding in on a white horse...


Meanwhile, Denver got into a SB 7 years earlier by winning game 14-10.

Sometimes defenses actually have to show up and play in big games. This isn't PlayStation.

1 less turnover would have equalled 1 less TD. No one was asking Jake to come in on a white horse. Just to control the ball and not hang the rest of the team out to dry. Maybe score a single touchdown, if that's not asking too much of him.

Perry1977
11-06-2010, 12:48 PM
http://www.gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs/1012867_o.gif

I am trying to figure this out.

Taco John
11-06-2010, 12:53 PM
I am trying to figure this out.

Rick Flair is not to be figured out, but just enjoyed for everything that it's worth! :thumbs:

extralife
11-06-2010, 01:29 PM
I can't believe people are trying to argue that Plummer wasn't awful in that game. It was one of the worst QB performances I've ever seen, and singlehandedly led to us drafting Cutler.

Jason in LA
11-06-2010, 03:20 PM
I can't believe people are trying to argue that Plummer wasn't awful in that game. It was one of the worst QB performances I've ever seen, and singlehandedly led to us drafting Cutler.

You know, if Plummer had played very well but the team still lost because the D played bad that day, Shanny may not have drafted Cutler.

broncosteven
11-06-2010, 08:00 PM
Med was right.

It blows my mind that anyone could see a 4 turnover performance, and then say something like "the defense was the reason that we lost," in a way like it's even out of the question to bring up Plummer's awful performance. Plummer didn't turnover those 4 balls because of our defense. He turned them over because he was asked to be something more than "No Mistake Jake."

I could understand if the take was, "defense was terrible, but/and Jake turned the ball four times on them." But people that defend Plummer's performance do it so completely irrationally, hanging the defense out to dry just as bad or worse than Jake did.

That defense got hung out to dry in that game.

I would like to say that in no way am I sticking up for Jake but the D just crumbled after the 1st turnover which was a Plummer sack. Pitt converted too many 3rd down plays to extend drives and the D couldn't stop them.

In the 2nd half Jake was making a game of it and the D had held only giving up a FG when Plummer threw the INT that killed them.

There were a couple games that year where Plummer had the same type of performace but the D was able to get a timely TO or stop and they won inspite of Jake but the D didn't have it that day to win with a QB who gave away the ball that many times.

dbroncos31
11-07-2010, 12:23 AM
First off Jake's last TO was on 4th and 10 with 5:02 remaining. How that's blamed on him I don't understand. At that point we were basically ****ed and he was just trying to make a play.

The first TO was on a blitz in which two guys got to him untouched because our OLine couldn't block the OLBs. I'm not gonna blame the QB for fumbling when two guys drill him untouched.

The 3rd TO was a pick down 17 that led to nothing. The Steelers went 3 and out and we got a TD on the next drive. That pick cost us exactly 1 minute and 50 seconds.

So basically he made one bad throw (to Alexander with 1:55 left in the first half) and somehow he lost us the game? I mean if you want to believe that then cool. Me, I'm gonna blame the D which gave up 3rd and 3, 7, 8, 10, 9, 8, 6, 3, and 4 on important drives. You cannot allow 9 third down conversions and expect to win. You cannot. That's the reason we didn't win Super Bowl XL, not Jake Plummer

Popps
11-07-2010, 12:30 AM
First off Jake's last TO was on 4th and 10 with 5:02 remaining. How that's blamed on him I don't understand. At that point we were basically ****ed and he was just trying to make a play.

The first TO was on a blitz in which two guys got to him untouched because our OLine couldn't block the OLBs. I'm not gonna blame the QB for fumbling when two guys drill him untouched.

The 3rd TO was a pick down 17 that led to nothing. The Steelers went 3 and out and we got a TD on the next drive. That pick cost us exactly 1 minute and 50 seconds.

So basically he made one bad throw (to Alexander with 1:55 left in the first half) and somehow he lost us the game? I mean if you want to believe that then cool. Me, I'm gonna blame the D which gave up 3rd and 3, 7, 8, 10, 9, 8, 6, 3, and 4 on important drives. You cannot allow 9 third down conversions and expect to win. You cannot. That's the reason we didn't win Super Bowl XL, not Jake Plummer




Those pesky facts, again.

epicSocialism4tw
11-07-2010, 12:54 AM
First off Jake's last TO was on 4th and 10 with 5:02 remaining. How that's blamed on him I don't understand. At that point we were basically ****ed and he was just trying to make a play.

The first TO was on a blitz in which two guys got to him untouched because our OLine couldn't block the OLBs. I'm not gonna blame the QB for fumbling when two guys drill him untouched.

The 3rd TO was a pick down 17 that led to nothing. The Steelers went 3 and out and we got a TD on the next drive. That pick cost us exactly 1 minute and 50 seconds.

So basically he made one bad throw (to Alexander with 1:55 left in the first half) and somehow he lost us the game? I mean if you want to believe that then cool. Me, I'm gonna blame the D which gave up 3rd and 3, 7, 8, 10, 9, 8, 6, 3, and 4 on important drives. You cannot allow 9 third down conversions and expect to win. You cannot. That's the reason we didn't win Super Bowl XL, not Jake Plummer

:strong:

This take pretty much kicks the collective butts of all other takes on this thread.

Close it down.

This thread is done. ;D

Bob's your Information Minister
11-07-2010, 01:02 AM
The 3rd TO was a pick down 17 that led to nothing. The Steelers went 3 and out and we got a TD on the next drive. That pick cost us exactly 1 minute and 50 seconds.I'm not really arguing for or against Plummer.

But is there a reason you couldn't have scored, forced the Steelers into a 3 and out, and then scored again?

You know, instead of throwing a pick, forcing the Steelers into a 3 and out, and then scoring again?


The first TO was on a blitz in which two guys got to him untouched because our OLine couldn't block the OLBs. I'm not gonna blame the QB for fumbling when two guys drill him untouched.Really? So a turnover should be automatically excused because the quarterback was placed in a bad situation? Gee. I guess you don't expect much from your quarterback if that's the case.

Isn't that sort of like saying "damn, he had a wide open guy, but he had to throw off his back foot....I'm not gonna blame him for missing that throw."

Just playing Plummer's advocate. Or not.

Killericon
11-07-2010, 01:06 AM
I always enjoy reliving that game.

dbroncos31
11-07-2010, 01:37 AM
I'm not really arguing for or against Plummer.

But is there a reason you couldn't have scored, forced the Steelers into a 3 and out, and then scored again?

You know, instead of throwing a pick, forcing the Steelers into a 3 and out, and then scoring again?


Really? So a turnover should be automatically excused because the quarterback was placed in a bad situation? Gee. I guess you don't expect much from your quarterback if that's the case.

Isn't that sort of like saying "damn, he had a wide open guy, but he had to throw off his back foot....I'm not gonna blame him for missing that throw."

Just playing Plummer's advocate. Or not.
I hear what you're saying, but when a QB gets sandwiched between 2 OLBs, I'm gonna put maybe 10% of the blame on the guy getting drilled and 90% on the guys who were responsible for blocking.

And the Int, yeah obviously it would have been amazing to get a TD, 3 and out, and then a TD. But the fact is it cost us almost nothing; we got the ball back less than 2 min later and he led us to a TD.

Jason in LA
11-07-2010, 09:36 AM
First off Jake's last TO was on 4th and 10 with 5:02 remaining. How that's blamed on him I don't understand. At that point we were basically ****ed and he was just trying to make a play.

The first TO was on a blitz in which two guys got to him untouched because our OLine couldn't block the OLBs. I'm not gonna blame the QB for fumbling when two guys drill him untouched.

The 3rd TO was a pick down 17 that led to nothing. The Steelers went 3 and out and we got a TD on the next drive. That pick cost us exactly 1 minute and 50 seconds.

So basically he made one bad throw (to Alexander with 1:55 left in the first half) and somehow he lost us the game? I mean if you want to believe that then cool. Me, I'm gonna blame the D which gave up 3rd and 3, 7, 8, 10, 9, 8, 6, 3, and 4 on important drives. You cannot allow 9 third down conversions and expect to win. You cannot. That's the reason we didn't win Super Bowl XL, not Jake Plummer

3 first half points. Nope, that loss had nothing to do with the offense.

If somebody presents an argument that they lost because both sides of the ball sucked, I'm in total agreement. But to point the finger at one side of the ball is silly. The defense was horrible that day, and so was the offense, including Plummer.

Popps
11-07-2010, 10:12 AM
3 first half points. Nope, that loss had nothing to do with the offense.

If somebody presents an argument that they lost because both sides of the ball sucked, I'm in total agreement. But to point the finger at one side of the ball is silly. The defense was horrible that day, and so was the offense, including Plummer.

Playoff games often start out as a grind. It's not uncommon to see a 7-3 score going into halftime of a playoff game. 3 points is indeed pretty bad... but what if the game was 7-3 at the half, or even 10-3?

See, when you drop down 24-3, you have no chance against a team like Pittsburgh. They had just beaten the best offense in the NFL. Suddenly, people expected Jake Plummer to do something that Manning couldn't?

You were going to have to beat Pittsburgh by showing up defensively.... keeping the game close and trying to make some big plays down the stretch.

Our D came out, laid down on EVERY drive in the first half... and that was that.

Again, we went to a SB by winning a game 14-10. The Rams high flying offense was held to just 11 points, and yet that was good enough to earn them a trip to a SB when they beat the Bucs in the NFCCG.


Sometimes defenses have to show up and play, folks. When they don't... and they lay down against a team like Pittsburgh, a tone is set, and you're in deep trouble no matter who is at QB.

WolfpackGuy
11-07-2010, 10:32 AM
The defense should've backed off from the blitzing that day even though they lived and died by it all year.

It was ugly to watch Cedric Wilson eating Foxworth for lunch after each blitz pickup.