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bronco0608
11-01-2010, 04:29 PM
While McDaniels may not be the answer, the old man ain't it either.

Shanny is getting a bit senile if you ask me.

The question to be asked is: Has any coach in NFL HISTORY removed their starting QB for the final two minute drive -- with the game within reach -- to bring in an ice cold QB with a seriously checkered past?

Donovan wasn't hurt. Donovan wasn't the suck.

But Shanahan felt something, something stupid. Take McNabb out, and bring in the Grossman. Yes, the Grossman. With his history, only good things can happen.

And. it. ended. exactly. the. way. everyone. thought. it. would.

Redskins turnover.

randomtask
11-01-2010, 04:32 PM
this is only a test.
http://www.eecs.berkeley.edu/~loarie/test.colors.gif

DomCasual
11-01-2010, 04:38 PM
It was definitely odd. Today, he is saying that McNabb is not in good enough shape to run a two-minute drill without timeouts - which begs the question, why did he start the game?

Still, I love me some Shanny. He makes mistakes; but I hold a soft place in my heart for the little bastard.

WABronco
11-01-2010, 04:40 PM
Calling McNabb a fatass: long overdue.

extralife
11-01-2010, 04:40 PM
I got called a two minute specialist once. It wasn't a compliment.

yerner
11-01-2010, 04:44 PM
Mcnabb hasn't played well all year other than the occasional big play. I think he might have wanted to light a fire under him.

bronco0608
11-01-2010, 04:44 PM
It was definitely odd. Today, he is saying that McNabb is not in good enough shape to run a two-minute drill without timeouts - which begs the question, why did he start the game?

Still, I love me some Shanny. He makes mistakes; but I hold a soft place in my heart for the little bastard.

I don't buy that McNabb wasn't in good enough shape for one reason: did you see that 35-40 yard run McNabb had during the game? A guy that is injured, out-of-shape, whatever, doesn't make that play in a NFL game - especially a QB.

And here is the other question: If McNabb was that out of shape, what wait till the last fricking two minutes to put in the grossman? Doesn't make a lick of sense. Grossman ain't pulling that out.

TonyR
11-01-2010, 04:48 PM
It's not the benching of McNabb that's the strangest part, it's that Shanahan thought that awful Rex Grossman could do a better job. I mean, when your starting QB gets replaced at a crucial part of a game because you think Rex Grossman can do a better job you've clearly got problems. They're doubled over with laughter in Philadelphia today.

Hamrob
11-01-2010, 04:58 PM
Bad move on Shanny's part.

Watching the Skins this year, I wonder how much he's trying to let his son do and how much he's controlling himself.

Could be that Kyle doesn't have alot of love for DNAB. I mean out of anyone...who would want to go with Grossman? Grossman was Kyle's boy in Houston....Kyle's the guy who would want to play Grossman...not Mike...IMO.

Make's me think...Shanny is taking the heat for a decision that he allowed his son to make.

rbackfactory80
11-01-2010, 04:59 PM
I got called a two minute specialist once. It wasn't a compliment.

What was his name?

Popps
11-01-2010, 04:59 PM
I got called a two minute specialist once. It wasn't a compliment.

:rofl:

HAT
11-01-2010, 05:01 PM
I got called a two minute specialist once. It wasn't a compliment.

:egbgb:

Popps
11-01-2010, 05:02 PM
Yea, I'm sorry... but Shanny stepped in it on Sunday. Not the first or last time he'll make a controversial move, though.

Coaches are egomaniacs, folks. That's why they're where they are.

When it works, they're called "geniuses." When it doesn't, they're called.... well... egomaniacs.


Pretty dumb move by Shanny, though... in a lot of ways. I will say, McNabb continues to handle these situations very well.

extralife
11-01-2010, 05:04 PM
What was his name?

Gross, man

rbackfactory80
11-01-2010, 05:10 PM
Gross, man

Well-played.:thumbs:

colonelbeef
11-01-2010, 06:16 PM
He didn't say he was the 'specialist', only that he was much more familiar with the 2-minute terminology as he played for Kyle Shanahan with the same calls and reads in Houston last year.

Probably a shot across the bow to light a fire under McNabb's ass, but either way, you are clearly incapable of understanding the facts and instead choose to make things up that suit your agenda, so yeah man, Grossman is the 2 minute specialist for the Redskins

colonelbeef
11-01-2010, 06:17 PM
Yea, I'm sorry... but Shanny stepped in it on Sunday. Not the first or last time he'll make a controversial move, though.

Coaches are egomaniacs, folks. That's why they're where they are.

When it works, they're called "geniuses." When it doesn't, they're called.... well... egomaniacs.


Pretty dumb move by Shanny, though... in a lot of ways. I will say, McNabb continues to handle these situations very well.

lol yeah, because Poops knows how to handle QBs better than Mike Shanahan

colonelbeef
11-01-2010, 06:17 PM
Mcnabb hasn't played well all year other than the occasional big play. I think he might have wanted to light a fire under him.

bingo.

Archer81
11-01-2010, 06:20 PM
Thread title deliciously ironic.


:Broncos:

Jay3
11-01-2010, 06:21 PM
I don't think McNabb is very good. But I'm pretty sure Grossman is also full of fail.

So I'll leave that one to Shanny. Good luck, Shanny!

tsiguy96
11-01-2010, 06:21 PM
Donovan McNabb-QB- Redskins Nov. 1 - 8:06 pm et


According to ESPN's Chris Mortensen, the Redskins' disappointment with Donovan McNabb is "the worst kept secret in the league" and Mike Shanahan has not been happy with the way McNabb practices.
Mort also reports that Shanahan thought about benching the star quarterback after the team's Week 4 win. McNabb is a team captain and seemingly has support in the locker room. Shanahan is clearly sending McNabb a message heading into the bye week, though it's hard to imagine him getting benched permanently. That being said, you can't rule anything out.

colonelbeef
11-01-2010, 06:23 PM
Donovan McNabb-QB- Redskins Nov. 1 - 8:06 pm et


According to ESPN's Chris Mortensen, the Redskins' disappointment with Donovan McNabb is "the worst kept secret in the league" and Mike Shanahan has not been happy with the way McNabb practices.
Mort also reports that Shanahan thought about benching the star quarterback after the team's Week 4 win. McNabb is a team captain and seemingly has support in the locker room. Shanahan is clearly sending McNabb a message heading into the bye week, though it's hard to imagine him getting benched permanently. That being said, you can't rule anything out.

you can see it in the way he plays lately, always smiling, looks like he is jacking around a bit too much and is unfocused.

gunns
11-01-2010, 06:24 PM
It's not the benching of McNabb that's the strangest part, it's that Shanahan thought that awful Rex Grossman could do a better job. I mean, when your starting QB gets replaced at a crucial part of a game because you think Rex Grossman can do a better job you've clearly got problems. They're doubled over with laughter in Philadelphia today.

No kidding, it's like us benching Orton with 2 minutes and putting in Brady Quinn.

Dudeskey
11-01-2010, 06:27 PM
No kidding, it's like us benching Orton with 2 minutes and putting in Brady Quinn.

Knowing damn well Orton can run a 2min drill pretty well, that would probably make most of us sick!

tsiguy96
11-01-2010, 06:27 PM
you can see it in the way he plays lately, always smiling, looks like he is jacking around a bit too much and is unfocused.

youre awesome.

go_broncos
11-01-2010, 06:30 PM
Bowlen did right thing firing Shanny..No one in right mind will start Rex Grossman over McNabb.

go_broncos
11-01-2010, 06:30 PM
Knowing damn well Orton can run a 2min drill pretty well, that would probably make most of us sick!

:rofl:

Garcia Bronco
11-01-2010, 06:31 PM
Calling McNabb a fatass: long overdue.

This. He couldn't even get up the energy...and maybe its justified....to drive down the field and beat the pats in the Super Bowl. He was dogging it in the fourth quarter. It would be awesome if Synder fired Shanahan. then he can come home and we make Josh the OC. Ahhh..I can dream.

Popps
11-01-2010, 06:54 PM
Good lord, now the MNF crew is saying that Shanahan released more statements saying that not only was McNabb not familiar with the language, that his conditioning wasn't up to par to run the 2 minute drill.


LOL

Good lord.

WABronco
11-01-2010, 06:58 PM
How many times has he barfed on the field? Two or three times, that we know of? He's a lard ball, and while I'm sure that's not the real reason he was pulled, it's entirely accurate.

Popps
11-01-2010, 07:18 PM
How many times has he barfed on the field? Two or three times, that we know of? He's a lard ball, and while I'm sure that's not the real reason he was pulled, it's entirely accurate.

Did he barf again?

:rofl:


Still... I mean, Shanahan didn't figure this out until 2 minutes left in a crucial situation? C'mon.

He should have just left it at... "he's not smart enough."

LOL

TonyR
11-01-2010, 07:29 PM
...the Redskins' disappointment with Donovan McNabb is "the worst kept secret in the league" and Mike Shanahan has not been happy with the way McNabb practices.
Mort also reports that Shanahan thought about benching the star quarterback after the team's Week 4 win.

Shanahan probably should have considered this was a possibility when the Eagles were willing to trade McNabb within the division.

bronco0608
11-01-2010, 07:35 PM
Shanny is just covering up his tracks. First, it was his knowledge of the offense. Then it was the conditioning. Now its his practice habits.

Good grief, Shanny, just admit you made a mistake benching McNabb for the Grossman. Its not that hard.

Br0nc0Buster
11-01-2010, 07:56 PM
that trade for McNabb was retarded at the time
benching him is stupid as well though

Shanny made his bed, time to sleep in it
and while he's at it, perhaps we can ship Moss his way

ScottXray
11-01-2010, 08:10 PM
Not voting casue I don't like the choices.

Shanny has ALWAYS had a tendency to outcoach himself in some games.

Thsi was another one of those. Generally he is an exceelnt game day coach...Then there are these kind of decisions that make him look really stupid at times.

Man-Goblin
11-01-2010, 08:17 PM
Calling McNabb a fatass: long overdue.

Seriously. I was watching the game yesterday and I thought he was Byron Leftwich. Looks like the Eagles knew what they were doing.

That being said, I still agree with the trade. Who knew he was going to Jamarcus Russell on Mike.

edog24
11-01-2010, 08:27 PM
I was looking at a skins message board earlier and they are seething with Shanny's behavior. They are all saying we knew what we were getting rid of.

HAT
11-01-2010, 09:48 PM
Denver could've had Ed Reed...............I'm still seething.

TheReverend
11-01-2010, 09:49 PM
Thought that move was really stupid myself until ESPN flashed this stat: McNabb has a 40 QB rating in the two minute drill this year. Can't get much worse than giving the other guy a shot.

strafen
11-01-2010, 09:52 PM
It was definitely odd. Today, he is saying that McNabb is not in good enough shape to run a two-minute drill without timeouts - which begs the question, why did he start the game?

Still, I love me some Shanny. He makes mistakes; but I hold a soft place in my heart for the little bastard.

Don't you love to finish the season at least 8-8?
You've never thought 8-8 would be so good.
We took for granted how hard it was to maintain a team from falling into mediocrity year in year out...
We've had higher standards around here where Shanny was our HC...

4-11 could be our new 8-8

HAT
11-01-2010, 09:56 PM
Don't you love to finish the season at least 8-8?
You've never thought 8-8 would be so good.
We took for granted how hard it was to maintain a team from falling into mediocrity year in year out...
We've had higher standards around here where Shanny was our HC...

4-11 could be our new 8-8

Hey dragster.....Guess what?

http://images.pcworld.com/news/graphics/141867-opener-old-1990s_slide.jpg

SonOfLe-loLang
11-01-2010, 10:17 PM
bingo.

He sure picked an interesting time to attempt to light this fire...geez, how can you defend this?

strafen
11-01-2010, 10:17 PM
Hey dragster.....Guess what?

http://images.pcworld.com/news/graphics/141867-opener-old-1990s_slide.jpg

I'm sure you do, assHAT.
We will be missing those 8-8's for years to come. ROFL!

baja
11-02-2010, 12:49 AM
Shanny is just covering up his tracks. First, it was his knowledge of the offense. Then it was the conditioning. Now its his practice habits.

Good grief, Shanny, just admit you made a mistake benching McNabb for the Grossman. Its not that hard.

Shanny is the first to man up when he makes a mistake just ask rev.

baja
11-02-2010, 12:52 AM
Maybe Plummer will come out of retirement for a chance to play for Mike.

baja
11-02-2010, 01:20 AM
Portis, al wilson and atwater are standing by their phones too. Dale Carter is too old but he could be a locker room presence. Let's not forget I hop he loves the little man upstairs.

Taco John
11-02-2010, 01:47 AM
You have to be able to run the two minute drill in this league. If your main guy can't do that, what's your next best option?

I wonder what McDaniels would do if Orton had a 40 QB rating in the 2 minute drill? Probably run the shotgun 9 times in a row. Or maybe he'd put in Tebow and only run the football.

Who knows. and honestly, who cares. They're year one of a new system and still viably competing for their division title being only two games behind the leaders and having a perfect record against their division. We're in the middle of a 4 game losing streak that includes a historic loss to the Raiders and the 1-6 fortyniners who haven't won a single game on the road but managed to beat us on the other side of the globe.

baja
11-02-2010, 01:59 AM
You have to be able to run the two minute drill in this league. If your main guy can't do that, what's your next best option?

I wonder what McDaniels would do if Orton had a 40 QB rating in the 2 minute drill? Probably run the shotgun 9 times in a row. Or maybe he'd put in Tebow and only run the football.

Who knows. and honestly, who cares. They're year one of a new system and still viably competing for their division title being only two games behind the leaders and having a perfect record against their division. We're in the middle of a 4 game losing streak that includes a historic loss to the Raiders and the 1-6 fortyniners who haven't won a single game on the road but managed to beat us on the other side of the globe.

Looks like where Mike got suckered was when Philly sold him a bill of goods for a second round pick.

baja
11-02-2010, 02:01 AM
Shanny didn't even smell a rat when Philly was willing to trade within the division.

Chalk up another one for the "Mastermind"

baja
11-02-2010, 02:20 AM
New article coming out in the Washington Post tomorrow.

"Shanny schooled by a fat man."

Rausch 2.0
11-02-2010, 02:28 AM
He boffed it.

He's the HC, it's simple.

"At that point in the game I put the guy in there I thought gave us the best chance to win. Period."

Nope.

He fumbles around and makes more retarded excuses than a 13 year old with a playboy on his lap and a trash can full of tissues...

barryr
11-02-2010, 06:23 AM
It wasn't long ago most seemed to think Philly was the team that made the mistake in trading McNabb and doing so within division. But benching your starting QB with a few minutes left in a close game is incredibly dumb. Unless the QB had thrown multiple picks or hitting such a low percentage of his passes, which he wasn't, I could see it then, but then do it for Grossman? Like that wasn't putting Grossman in a tough spot where he really hasn't played much in a few years. Shanahan did some great things as coach with the Broncos, but I don't miss him at all.

ColoradoDarin
11-02-2010, 07:22 AM
This. He couldn't even get up the energy...and maybe its justified....to drive down the field and beat the pats in the Super Bowl. He was dogging it in the fourth quarter. It would be awesome if Synder fired Shanahan. then he can come home and we make Josh the OC. Ahhh..I can dream.

This. The Eagles weren't even hurrying up that much because of McNabb.

bronco militia
11-02-2010, 10:54 AM
http://www.newsnmax.com/blog/img/Rush_limbaugh.jpg

Beantown Bronco
11-02-2010, 10:54 AM
But benching your starting QB with a few minutes left in a close game is incredibly dumb. Unless the QB had thrown multiple picks or hitting such a low percentage of his passes, which he wasn't

What if your starting QB had a 40 QB rating in the two minute drill this year, which he did.

Smiling Assassin27
11-02-2010, 10:59 AM
It seems like Shanahan wants to be considered the Mastermind again so badly that he's willing to go uconventional (translated: brain dead) early and often to show he's 'innovative' or 'creative' or 'unpredictable' or something. Granted, the talent he has in DC (and the marginal group he amassed after the two SB wins) aren't great, and I think he thinks he has to pull rabbits out of his arse to win games when he really just needs to coach up his team better.

bendog
11-02-2010, 11:00 AM
http://www.newsnmax.com/blog/img/Rush_limbaugh.jpg

That's racist. (-:

Seriously, you could see Shanny floundering around for a qb and there not being one there. I still think Jason Campbell can be successful in a Neil O'Donnell sense.

2KBack
11-02-2010, 11:11 AM
What if your starting QB had a 40 QB rating in the two minute drill this year, which he did.

I have to feel that is an extremely low sample size right now. I would like to know what Grossman's rating in the 2 minute drill is for a damn career. Hell, his career passer rating is only 69.

baja
11-02-2010, 11:13 AM
http://www.newsnmax.com/blog/img/Rush_limbaugh.jpg

LOL Very good LOL

baja
11-02-2010, 11:17 AM
It seems like Shanahan wants to be considered the Mastermind again so badly that he's willing to go uconventional (translated: brain dead) early and often to show he's 'innovative' or 'creative' or 'unpredictable' or something. Granted, the talent he has in DC (and the marginal group he amassed after the two SB wins) aren't great, and I think he thinks he has to pull rabbits out of his arse to win games when he really just needs to coach up his team better.

I disagree. Shanny's mistake was trading for McNabb on reputation. He should'a smelled a rat when Philly was willing to do the deal in the division.

We all thought Shanny pulled a fast one though so we were fooled too but we aren't NFL head coaches either.

ColoradoDarin
11-02-2010, 11:54 AM
http://www.newsnmax.com/blog/img/Rush_limbaugh.jpg


:rofl: Good one

I always laugh about that, since both Steve Young and Michael Irvin agreed with Rush, they're both racists and should have been fired too!



RUSH: Well, that's what I'm saying. I think he got a lot of credit for the defensive side of the ball winning games for this team.

STEVE YOUNG: But I'll tell you what. I'll say it even more strongly, Tom. When they're winning, nobody makes more plays --

TOM JACKSON: Right.

STEVE YOUNG: -- with his arm than Donnvan McNabb. That guy is one of the best in the league at making plays, BUT making plays does not win championships. Running the offense does. So at some point --

TOM JACKSON: Gotta run the offense.

STEVE YOUNG: -- I think that Koy Detmer looks like a better option because he'll go in there, drop back, and throw the ball correctly.

CHRIS BERMAN: Isn't it odd that last year with the broken leg I know it was Arizona but the one time he was in the pocket he looked great. Right?

STEVE YOUNG: He had to run that offense.

TOM JACKSON: So Rush, once you make that investment though once you make that investment in him, that's a done deal.

RUSH: I'm saying it's a good investment. Don't misunderstand. I just don't think he's as good as everybody says he has been.

MICHAEL IRVIN: Rush has a point.

STEVE YOUNG: Well, he (McNabb) certainly hasn't matured.

MICHAEL IRVIN: Rush has a point.

Maybe Rush can buy partial ownership into the skins since the Rams thing didn't work out :pimp:

WABronco
11-03-2010, 08:24 AM
http://www.newsnmax.com/blog/img/Rush_limbaugh.jpg

Lol you know he's said **** about McNabb AND Grossman? He was all up on the "the media wants Rex Grossman to fail because he's a white QB" craziness during and after the Colts/Bears Super Bowl.

Oh, and http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/2010/11/a-cannon-fires-in-dc.html

jhns
11-03-2010, 08:30 AM
I will continue to say this in every Shanahan thread. He already has a top 5 pick team from last season playing better than this team. He has already improved that teams record by the half way point in the season. Do you really think this is the time to question him? Are you someone that supports and always makes excuses for McDaniels? Shanahan just showed what a joke McDaniels is. One coach has excuses and the other has results.

Tombstone RJ
11-03-2010, 08:43 AM
I got called a two minute specialist once. It wasn't a compliment.

!Booya!:rofl:

Dedhed
11-03-2010, 08:14 PM
What if your starting QB had a 40 QB rating in the two minute drill this year, which he did.

What if your other option was Rex Grossman, which it was.

Dedhed
11-03-2010, 08:21 PM
Thought that move was really stupid myself until ESPN flashed this stat: McNabb has a 40 QB rating in the two minute drill this year. Can't get much worse than giving the other guy a shot.If your other option is Rex Grossman, you sure as heck can.

Giving Grossman the ball in that situation is pretty much like deferring posession to the other team in the hopes that you get a defensive TD.

strafen
11-03-2010, 08:25 PM
Thought that move was really stupid myself until ESPN flashed this stat: McNabb has a 40 QB rating in the two minute drill this year. Can't get much worse than giving the other guy a shot.McNabb is to me overrated, or a more accurate word would be, underachiever.
The guy has a horrendous aim. He's so inaccurate is not funny.
He makes up for that with his scrambling abilities.
I've heard today he's still recovering from hammy injuries, and he's not at full speed...

Dedhed
11-03-2010, 08:32 PM
McNabb is to me overrated, or a more accurate word would be, underachiever.
The guy has a horrendous aim. He's so inaccurate is not funny.
He makes up for that with his scrambling abilities.
I've heard today he's still recovering from hammy injuries, and he's not at full speed...
And what, pray tell, would your assessment be of the splendor that is Rex Grossman?

strafen
11-03-2010, 08:34 PM
And what, pray tell, would your assessment be of the splendor that is Rex Grossman?I look at Grossman as an Orton type QB. They're both awful...

Dedhed
11-03-2010, 08:38 PM
I look at Grossman as an Orton type QB.

:rofl:

Dedhed
11-03-2010, 08:39 PM
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/14235607/mcnabb-benching-sheds-new-light-on-shanahan-legacy

strafen
11-03-2010, 08:51 PM
:rofl:laugh all you want, but tell me if things would've been any different right now with either Orton or Grossman as our QB?

I rest my case...

Dedhed
11-03-2010, 08:55 PM
laugh all you want, but tell me if things would've been any different right now with either Orton or Grossman as our QB?

I rest my case...You rest your case on what? Your speculation?

I'll rest my case on Grossman's performance this weekend.

PS-If you want to start a poll on who has a better case, be my guest.

strafen
11-03-2010, 09:01 PM
You rest your case on what? Your speculation?

I'll rest my case on Grossman's performance this weekend.

PS-If you want to start a poll on who has a better case, be my guest.

You don't get it, do you?

Would we be better off and perhaps with a better record than 2-6 with either Grossman or Orton as our QB?
The anwer is, it wouldn't make a difference...
What's Orton record in denver as a starter, again?
10-14?

Dedhed
11-03-2010, 09:05 PM
You don't get it, do you?

Would we be better off and perhaps with a better record than 2-6 with either Grossman or Orton as our QB?
The anwer is, it wouldn't make a difference...
What's Orton record in denver as a starter, again?
10-14?You do not understand what speculation is.

www.dictionary.com

strafen
11-03-2010, 09:11 PM
You do not understand what speculation is.

www.dictionary.comThere's nothing speculating about that, bud.
The word you should be looking up is "hypothetical"
That describes my Orton/Grossman argument better than "speculating"

Dedhed
11-03-2010, 09:14 PM
There's nothing speculating about that, bud.
The word you should be looking up is "hypothetical"
That describes my Orton/Grossman argument better than "speculating"

Ok. What, in your opinion, was hypothetical about Grossman's performance this weekend?