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Zoobie
11-01-2010, 03:36 PM
I saw this come up at the beginning of the game against the 49ers. We are last in the NFL in average starting field position...again. Year in and year out we are starting at the 20 yard line AT BEST, and it's pathetic. We don't force punters into bad kicks, we don't block kicks, our returners fumble it far too often(having Royal pull double-duty is about the only way to solve that and provide a spark to the return game), I mean come on. This is what bothers me above all, just about every time we get the ball we have a minimum of 80 yards to go for a score, it's unacceptable that we are so poor in such a huge portion of the game, field position.

Our average starting field position is the 27 yard line. To put that in perspective, the Jets, number one in this category, start at the 33.73(we'll just say 34) yard line. While the disparity is only 7 yards, I think most of us who watch the games have seen just how bad we are at this, even dating back to the Shanny era.

BigPlayShay
11-01-2010, 03:40 PM
I saw this come up at the beginning of the game against the 49ers. We are last in the NFL in average starting field position...again. Year in and year out we are starting at the 20 yard line AT BEST, and it's pathetic. We don't force punters into bad kicks, we don't block kicks, our returners fumble it far too often(having Royal pull double-duty is about the only way to solve that and provide a spark to the return game), I mean come on. This is what bothers me above all, just about every time we get the ball we have a minimum of 80 yards to go for a score, it's unacceptable that we are so poor in such a huge portion of the game, field position.

I wouldn't say it is just a special teams issue. It is a defensive issue as well. We hardly ever get teams to go 3 and out. I wonder what our opponents average plays per drive is.

Zoobie
11-01-2010, 03:45 PM
I wouldn't say it is just a special teams issue. It is a defensive issue as well. We hardly ever get teams to go 3 and out. I wonder what our opponents average plays per drive is.

We rank 18th at 29.45. I agree it's not all special teams, our defense is horrid on 3rd down. Having said that, I can't recall the last time our special teams did something special, aside from Eddie Royal's game against the Chargers. When was the last time we blocked a punt, FG, extra point, consistently put our opponent in horrible position?

BigPlayShay
11-01-2010, 03:54 PM
We rank 18th at 29.45. I agree it's not all special teams, our defense is horrid on 3rd down. Having said that, I can't recall the last time our special teams did something special, aside from Eddie Royal's game against the Chargers. When was the last time we blocked a punt, FG, extra point, consistently put our opponent in horrible position?

Well, looking at it that way, forcing more 3 and outs would give our punt returners better opportunities at returns. Rather than fielding the ball inside our 20, they could be catching it at the 30 - 40.

I believe it is referred to as "complimentary football" :wiggle:

Zoobie
11-01-2010, 03:56 PM
Well, looking at it that way, forcing more 3 and outs would give our punt returners better opportunities at returns. Rather than fielding the ball inside our 20, they could be catching it at the 30 - 40.

I believe it is referred to as "complimentary football" :wiggle:

I agree wholeheartedly, something has to be done. I'm not a big stats guy, but I think this is one that really hits home. We put ourselves in really bad position almost all the time, and don't do much to stop it on the other side of the ball either.

TheReverend
11-01-2010, 04:15 PM
Turnovers

Kaylore
11-01-2010, 04:19 PM
How about wins: 2

lostknight
11-01-2010, 04:45 PM
Remember that special teams also tends to reflect the talent of the depth behind the starters. Bad special teams often indicates a lack of depth.

(Well no **** Sherlock, most should say here).

Popps
11-01-2010, 05:04 PM
We rank 18th at 29.45. I agree it's not all special teams, our defense is horrid on 3rd down. Having said that, I can't recall the last time our special teams did something special, aside from Eddie Royal's game against the Chargers. When was the last time we blocked a punt, FG, extra point, consistently put our opponent in horrible position?

Yea, that made Moss' stupid clip that much more painful. He took away the first special teams excitement this year.

I was thinking about blocked kicks on Sunday, too. Seems like we never do, even through the last administration.

BigPlayShay
11-01-2010, 05:20 PM
Last blocked punt I can recall was in 2002 @ the Chiefs.

That One Guy
11-01-2010, 05:31 PM
Remember that special teams also tends to reflect the talent of the depth behind the starters. Bad special teams often indicates a lack of depth.

(Well no **** Sherlock, most should say here).

As well as the insistence that *good* players don't play ST. Dez Bryant is more important to Dallas' O than DT is to ours but it took until, what, the 5th game of the season before DT got back there returning punts? Unless they're #1-2 on your depth chart, everyone should be playing ST that can contribute.

And as for Royal providing a spark on ST... bahahaha...

I too am completely charged after watching yet ANOTHER fair catch by Royal. Makes me want to go out there and take the field myself, I'm so pumped. Since he played decent as a WR, he never did lay it out there as a returnman, it seems. Every now and then he has a good play but nothing near what his speed and quickness suggests he's capable of.

BroncosSR
11-01-2010, 06:06 PM
I'll never forget last year against the Redskins. Special teams was lining up for the punt and redskins motioned as to fake punt. McD calls timeout. Line up again and again the Redskins motion to fake punt and they are successful. At that point, I knew the Broncos were on the decline.

colonelbeef
11-01-2010, 06:19 PM
smarter, tougher football

-Josh "9 men on the field" McDaniels

vancejohnson82
11-01-2010, 06:26 PM
smarter, tougher football

-Josh "9 men on the field" McDaniels

i've been trying to understand how this is relevant in the thread

Dudeskey
11-01-2010, 06:33 PM
rushing attempts... we're near the back of the pack with those. Having said that, its hard to commit to an ineffective rushing attack.

Zoobie
11-01-2010, 07:53 PM
Yea, that made Moss' stupid clip that much more painful. He took away the first special teams excitement this year.

I was thinking about blocked kicks on Sunday, too. Seems like we never do, even through the last administration.

That's what i'm talking about, the niners have more in one season than we have in the past 5 years. It never looks like we even try to get creative and make a block.

Beantown Bronco
11-01-2010, 07:53 PM
Turnovers

This. When was the last time our defense forced a turnover deep in opponent's territory?

BigPlayShay
11-01-2010, 08:29 PM
This. When was the last time our defense forced a turnover deep in opponent's territory?

3 weeks ago.

enjolras
11-01-2010, 08:57 PM
Special teams (overall) was actually pretty good against Seattle. Had a couple of big plays.

_Oro_
11-01-2010, 09:57 PM
As well as the insistence that *good* players don't play ST. Dez Bryant is more important to Dallas' O than DT is to ours but it took until, what, the 5th game of the season before DT got back there returning punts? Unless they're #1-2 on your depth chart, everyone should be playing ST that can contribute.

And as for Royal providing a spark on ST... bahahaha...

I too am completely charged after watching yet ANOTHER fair catch by Royal. Makes me want to go out there and take the field myself, I'm so pumped. Since he played decent as a WR, he never did lay it out there as a returnman, it seems. Every now and then he has a good play but nothing near what his speed and quickness suggests he's capable of.

I'd rather DT not return kicks. I still cringe every time he is back there.

Zoobie
11-01-2010, 10:23 PM
As well as the insistence that *good* players don't play ST. Dez Bryant is more important to Dallas' O than DT is to ours but it took until, what, the 5th game of the season before DT got back there returning punts? Unless they're #1-2 on your depth chart, everyone should be playing ST that can contribute.

And as for Royal providing a spark on ST... bahahaha...

I too am completely charged after watching yet ANOTHER fair catch by Royal. Makes me want to go out there and take the field myself, I'm so pumped. Since he played decent as a WR, he never did lay it out there as a returnman, it seems. Every now and then he has a good play but nothing near what his speed and quickness suggests he's capable of.

If Jarvis doesn't make a mistake, that would be 3 return TDs in the past year and a half for Royal. How is that not a spark?

Rausch 2.0
11-01-2010, 11:58 PM
The NFL is so close right now that you have to be able to do the basics to win games.

Run the football, play good defense.

This is why you're seeing poor to average teams with solid records.

Jets, Dolphins, Rams, Chiefs, Raiders all with solid records.

It's not flashy but it wins. And if the QB situations for any of these teams ever solidifies they could be playoff dangerous...