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Chris
11-01-2010, 04:05 PM
The season is not over. I'm still going to enjoy watching every game. Having said that, I always want something to look forward to because I always believe in the long term health of the franchise.

Assuming we have a draft... who are your top DL prospects for 2011 and to what extent do you think a "Suh" or a "M. Williams" would turn our D into a top D?

Smiling Assassin27
11-01-2010, 04:29 PM
Given our past and current modus operandi: ( in order of projected return on investment)

1. Cortez Kennedy
2. Sam Adams
3. Lional Dalton
4. Gerard Warren
5. Whomever the Patriots decide to cut after the first week of training camp.

HAT
11-01-2010, 04:39 PM
Might not get too much traffic with a thread title that begins with "Not being fatalistic"

Many around here are unfamiliar with the concept. :thumbs:

Champagne Powder
11-01-2010, 04:42 PM
Alabama's Marcell Dareus would be a good fit. Versatile lineman who projects nicely as a 3-4 end.

Drek
11-01-2010, 04:44 PM
Adrian Clayborn, Iowa. He's exactly what we need. 6'3", 287, can create pressure and absolutely demands to be double teamed while at the same time he's fierce against the run. He'd make an excellent 3-4 DE with our 1st round pick. If we don't finish in the top 10 we should trade a second (or even both seconds) to move up after him.

If available in the later rounds I'd be a big fan of Kendrick Ellis out of Hampton as a NT prospect as well as Ian Williams, Notre Dame, as a NT/DE dual purpose type.

elsid13
11-01-2010, 04:51 PM
I am big fan of Bailey (DE) out of Miami. He just flashes when I see him play. I also like Phil Taylor (NT) out of Baylor late.

Broncos_OTM
11-01-2010, 05:19 PM
I am big fan of Bailey (DE) out of Miami. He just flashes when I see him play. I also like Phil Taylor (NT) out of Baylor late.

Huh bailey has been quiet doesnt look that great to me hes gonna run good though jarvis moss type player to me"

Broncos_OTM
11-01-2010, 05:22 PM
I am big fan of Bailey (DE) out of Miami. He just flashes when I see him play. I also like Phil Taylor (NT) out of Baylor late.

Huh bailey has been quiet doesnt look that great to me hes gonna run good though jarvis moss type player to me


Jj watt or nick farley. Are good prospects

Jerry Curl
11-01-2010, 05:25 PM
Adrian Clayborn, Iowa. He's exactly what we need. 6'3", 287, can create pressure and absolutely demands to be double teamed while at the same time he's fierce against the run. He'd make an excellent 3-4 DE with our 1st round pick. If we don't finish in the top 10 we should trade a second (or even both seconds) to move up after him.


This. Or one of the tar heels.

Rohirrim
11-01-2010, 05:31 PM
I like Cameron Heyward. He's having a tougher time of it this year because opponents are game-planning for him but his reaction is to go into the weight room and get stronger and faster. Top flight effort player. Top flight character.

Requiem
11-01-2010, 05:37 PM
Clayborn and Heyward would be great fits for us at end.

Dareus would also work as well, but I like the two aforementioned better.

Jordan out of Cal is right behind Clayborn and Heyward in my book, then would come Allen Bailey.

Someone mentioned Ian Williams out of Notre Dame, but he is now out for the season with a sprained MCL. If he comes back from that and tests out well through bowl games, all-star, and the combine he would be worth a look -- certainly not early now given the ambiguity regarding his health.

ro_50
11-01-2010, 05:43 PM
I'm a homer being a lifelong Auburn fan but Nick Fairley has been unblockable in several games, including the LSU game.

Fairley needs to improve his overall game with consistency, but the ceiling is high.

And the kid works hard, another example in the line of Auburn football players.

WolfpackGuy
11-01-2010, 06:06 PM
That DL train left the station in the previous two drafts.

I'd look elsewhere in April.

gyldenlove
11-01-2010, 07:08 PM
Dareus or Hayward for DE or Paea for NT.

s0phr0syne
11-01-2010, 07:48 PM
I have been high on Beal from OU for a couple of seasons now. He looks like great OLB material to me

Beantown Bronco
11-01-2010, 08:24 PM
That DL train left the station in the previous two drafts.


What? Aside from possibly Raji, who was drafted before our first pick in 2009, who from the last two drafts is making any kind of impact in a 3-4? There are a bunch of guys that are coming out in 2011 and project to the 3-4 with first and second round grades.

WolfpackGuy
11-01-2010, 08:31 PM
What? Aside from possibly Raji, who was drafted before our first pick in 2009, who from the last two drafts is making any kind of impact in a 3-4? There are a bunch of guys that are coming out in 2011 and project to the 3-4 with first and second round grades.

You're right.

The Broncos have been loaded up front.

So loaded in fact, they can draft for luxury at other spots.

Beantown Bronco
11-01-2010, 08:33 PM
You're right.

The Broncos have been loaded up front.

So loaded in fact, they can draft for luxury at other spots.

This is a different argument entirely. Where did I say anything about the Broncos?

TheChamp24
11-01-2010, 08:36 PM
What? Aside from possibly Raji, who was drafted before our first pick in 2009, who from the last two drafts is making any kind of impact in a 3-4? There are a bunch of guys that are coming out in 2011 and project to the 3-4 with first and second round grades.

Ron Brace in New England is playing well, we could've had him instead of Alphonso Smith.
This past draft, we could've landed Dan Williams, Jared Odrick, Brian Price, Terrence Cody.

We passed on these guys though.

Beantown Bronco
11-01-2010, 08:41 PM
Ron Brace in New England is playing well, we could've had him instead of Alphonso Smith.

I REALLY hope this is a joke. He has been a MAJOR disappointment so far. There are articles at least every other week in the local rags that read like Denver Post fluff pieces on Jarvis Moss and how he's "working hard to make an impact." It's comical.

400HZ
11-01-2010, 08:52 PM
Brandon Deaderick was on every single mock draft that I made or read last year for 3-4 defense teams. He got drafted in the 7th round and is an impact starter for New England this year. If everyone knows that he's a good player, how the **** does he fall to the 7th round? Because professional talent evaluator's are all stupid.

gyldenlove
11-01-2010, 08:54 PM
What? Aside from possibly Raji, who was drafted before our first pick in 2009, who from the last two drafts is making any kind of impact in a 3-4? There are a bunch of guys that are coming out in 2011 and project to the 3-4 with first and second round grades.

Some would say Ngata and Castillo.

~Crash~
11-01-2010, 08:55 PM
I REALLY hope this is a joke. He has been a MAJOR disappointment so far. There are articles at least every other week in the local rags that read like Denver Post fluff pieces on Jarvis Moss and how he's "working hard to make an impact." It's comical.

So your answer is to nothing at the NT area ...nice...:thumbs:

spdirty
11-01-2010, 08:57 PM
You can go on and on about dline prospects, but we are taking Scotty McKnight with our first.

Beantown Bronco
11-01-2010, 09:00 PM
Brandon Deaderick was on every single mock draft that I made or read last year for 3-4 defense teams. He got drafted in the 7th round and is an impact starter for New England this year. If everyone knows that he's a good player, how the **** does he fall to the 7th round? Because professional talent evaluator's are all stupid.

He's making the most of his time out there, but it's a little early to call him an "impact starter" (he's only started three games). Funny that he was actually a Ty Warren injury away from being cut in the preseason.

Beantown Bronco
11-01-2010, 09:02 PM
Some would say Ngata and Castillo.

The argument was last two drafts.....

Requiem
11-01-2010, 09:03 PM
Ron Brace in New England is playing well, we could've had him instead of Alphonso Smith.
This past draft, we could've landed Dan Williams, Jared Odrick, Brian Price, Terrence Cody.

We passed on these guys though.

Odrick was overrated and last I heard, broke something (I think leg) and is out for the year.

Brian Price is a 4-3 UT. Hence the team who drafted him. He was not a 3-4 player. He has put up a whopping three tackles this year.

Dan Williams has been a healthy scratch, and underwhelming all season long for the Cardinals, accumulating half of his tackles in his last game against the Buccaneers.

Terrence Cody, one tackle and active for four games.

Hindsight is 20/20. All of these guys have either been hurt or aren't ready to play.

This draft is far superior in top end talent, even back-end to the past few drafts for personnel in the 3-4.

And no, Brace hasn't been special at all.

If the team finally drafts DL, it will be worth the wait. I'd take any of the top three defensive players at DT/DE in this draft than last years or the year prior, and that isn't counting Suh or McCoy, because we didn't have a chance at them, and they are better suited in a 4-3 anyways.

epicSocialism4tw
11-01-2010, 09:10 PM
I have been high on Beal from OU for a couple of seasons now. He looks like great OLB material to me

I like Beal as well, but next season we'll have Ayers and Dumervil on the outsides, and thats not a bad pair at all.

We need a run-stuffing, gap-crowding NT.

Bannan is a nice DE, and is fine at that position. We need a young guy to rotate with Williams. We could also use another DE.

I guess McBath is the heir apparent to Dawkins. There are some nice DB's down the pike. This draft we need an NT, a MLB, and some more depth on the O-line.

WABronco
11-01-2010, 09:11 PM
Give me interior players and a badass safety.

Requiem
11-01-2010, 09:12 PM
Give me interior players and a badass safety.

Don't you sleep on Kyle McCarthy, he could be the next John Lynch! :thanku:

:rofl:

mattob14
11-01-2010, 09:29 PM
Clayborn and Heyward would be great fits for us at end.

Dareus would also work as well, but I like the two aforementioned better.

Jordan out of Cal is right behind Clayborn and Heyward in my book, then would come Allen Bailey.

Someone mentioned Ian Williams out of Notre Dame, but he is now out for the season with a sprained MCL. If he comes back from that and tests out well through bowl games, all-star, and the combine he would be worth a look -- certainly not early now given the ambiguity regarding his health.

Yep, add Fairley to the list and this class is loaded with potential impact 3-4 DE's. I think we'll have the luxury of being patient, possibly even trading down, and grabbing BPA. There's no real incentive to lock-in on one player and reach when you've got half a dozen guys with first round talent.

TheChamp24
11-02-2010, 07:13 AM
Odrick was overrated and last I heard, broke something (I think leg) and is out for the year.

Brian Price is a 4-3 UT. Hence the team who drafted him. He was not a 3-4 player. He has put up a whopping three tackles this year.

Dan Williams has been a healthy scratch, and underwhelming all season long for the Cardinals, accumulating half of his tackles in his last game against the Buccaneers.

Terrence Cody, one tackle and active for four games.

Hindsight is 20/20. All of these guys have either been hurt or aren't ready to play.

This draft is far superior in top end talent, even back-end to the past few drafts for personnel in the 3-4.

And no, Brace hasn't been special at all.

If the team finally drafts DL, it will be worth the wait. I'd take any of the top three defensive players at DT/DE in this draft than last years or the year prior, and that isn't counting Suh or McCoy, because we didn't have a chance at them, and they are better suited in a 4-3 anyways.

The thing with DL is most take some time before they truly flourish, at least the guys we need. I would've preferred a prospect on the DL rather than Tebow. For instance, Cody would've been a solid pick in the 2nd round IMO to backup the NT this year and groom to be the starter.

400HZ
11-02-2010, 08:39 AM
He's making the most of his time out there, but it's a little early to call him an "impact starter" (he's only started three games). Funny that he was actually a Ty Warren injury away from being cut in the preseason.

Starting four games and recording sacks in back-to-back weeks is more than any of his fellow class of 2010 DL draftees have managed so far, Suh excluded. It goes to show how clueless professional talent evaluators tend to be.

Rabb
11-02-2010, 09:32 AM
I am an Iowa homer, but I would just love to see us grab Clayborn

The guy is just a physical monster that doesn't quit

PRBronco
11-02-2010, 09:53 AM
Give me interior players and a badass safety.

Seriously, our need at safety is worse than I thought. Every week I'm noticing more problems with Hill. If there was a big batch of good safeties this year I'd say we should think about that in the first because they're more likely to contribute early in their career than a D lineman (I'm looking at it from McD's standpoint of one more year to prove himself). But it doesn't look like a great year for safeties (afaik, I'm still in on season mode though so I'm not too up to date on prospects), and I'd be lying if I said I wasn't man crushing on Clayborne and Heyward.

gyldenlove
11-02-2010, 10:12 AM
The argument was last two drafts.....

By that logic you should never draft defensive linemen, quarterbacks and you should be very careful with drafting offensive linemen and pass rushers. But I bet not a lot of teams have success with that strategy.

Chris
11-02-2010, 10:20 AM
How has Hill regressed from last year? He played well last year.

snowspot66
11-02-2010, 01:39 PM
By that logic you should never draft defensive linemen, quarterbacks and you should be very careful with drafting offensive linemen and pass rushers. But I bet not a lot of teams have success with that strategy.

Wrong. The logic was that none of them have been of much or any use to the teams that drafted them and therefore up to this point we were correct in not taking them. If we had people would just be bitching about them being busts. We do need to draft defensive linemen. But we need to draft good ones. We already have enough warm bodies.

DawnBTVS
11-02-2010, 03:42 PM
One sleeper I like is Christian Ballard out of Iowa. He's a DE converted from DT (originally was a DE converted to DT) and is listed around 6'4"-6'5" 300 pounds.

His 40 time also seems to range from 4.85 to 4.95.

Dos Rios
11-02-2010, 05:14 PM
The thing with DL is most take some time before they truly flourish, at least the guys we need. I would've preferred a prospect on the DL rather than Tebow. For instance, Cody would've been a solid pick in the 2nd round IMO to backup the NT this year and groom to be the starter.

Dan Williams was the pick at 26. I really thought he was the target when they traded back into the first round. Agreed I'd rather have him on his redshirt year right now than Tebow.

I know. Ed Reed.

Rohirrim
11-02-2010, 05:17 PM
I am an Iowa homer, but I would just love to see us grab Clayborn

The guy is just a physical monster that doesn't quit

I went and watched some film on Clayborn. You're right. He gets after it.

WolfpackGuy
11-02-2010, 05:23 PM
Dan Williams was the pick at 26. I really thought he was the target when they traded back into the first round. Agreed I'd rather have him on his redshirt year right now than Tebow.

I know. Ed Reed.

The Cards couldn't get up to the podium fast enough once Teboz was announced.

broncogary
11-02-2010, 09:26 PM
I REALLY hope this is a joke. He has been a MAJOR disappointment so far. There are articles at least every other week in the local rags that read like Denver Post fluff pieces on Jarvis Moss and how he's "working hard to make an impact." It's comical.

I call BS. No one is as bad as Moss.

Mat'hir Uth Gan
11-02-2010, 09:54 PM
Odrick was overrated and last I heard, broke something (I think leg) and is out for the year.

Brian Price is a 4-3 UT. Hence the team who drafted him. He was not a 3-4 player. He has put up a whopping three tackles this year.

Dan Williams has been a healthy scratch, and underwhelming all season long for the Cardinals, accumulating half of his tackles in his last game against the Buccaneers.

Terrence Cody, one tackle and active for four games.

Hindsight is 20/20. All of these guys have either been hurt or aren't ready to play.

This draft is far superior in top end talent, even back-end to the past few drafts for personnel in the 3-4.

And no, Brace hasn't been special at all.

If the team finally drafts DL, it will be worth the wait. I'd take any of the top three defensive players at DT/DE in this draft than last years or the year prior, and that isn't counting Suh or McCoy, because we didn't have a chance at them, and they are better suited in a 4-3 anyways.


Odrick is not overrated. We found out, after the draft of course, that he had a cracked bone in his leg, which he eventually broke. Some teams removed him for this reason, and it's the only reason he fell as far as he did. It's going to heal up now, he'll be fine. Miami was blown away with him throughout training camp, and they expect him to be the next big thing. He was starting out of the gate on a team stacked with talent. Odrick is legit. So is Pouncey.

That being said, I agree with your point that this draft is stacked, worth the wait, and much better than all recent drafts for 34 D-line talent.

I disagree on Clayborn. He's not a 34 DE. He's a Power End in a 43. He's had a bad year so far with all the extra attention, he rarely beats a double team. He's not a good fit for a 34 team. Maybe a one gap team, but not a two gap for sure. Heyward is a great fit for a two gap team, but not a one gap. He has no pass rush ability, but he's an immovable object and can collapse his side of the line. I still like him, I think I liked Odrick more. The only 34 DE prospects I like more than Odrick in this draft are Nick Fairley, Marcell Dareus, and J.J. Watt. And personally, I like Watt the best of them all, he reminds me of Mario Williams.

Mat'hir Uth Gan
11-02-2010, 09:57 PM
I like Beal as well, but next season we'll have Ayers and Dumervil on the outsides, and thats not a bad pair at all.

We need a run-stuffing, gap-crowding NT.

Bannan is a nice DE, and is fine at that position. We need a young guy to rotate with Williams. We could also use another DE.

I guess McBath is the heir apparent to Dawkins. There are some nice DB's down the pike. This draft we need an NT, a MLB, and some more depth on the O-line.

Bannan is one of the worst 34 DEs in the NFL so far this season. He's not fine at that position. The position he needs to be playing is Nose Tackle. This draft is crap at NT, Free Agency looks like it won't have anything either. Move Bannan to NT to compete with Williams, whom also has been terrible, and draft a DE in the 1st Round.

I do agree we need ILB depth, I like Mason Foster in the 2nd or 3rd Round area, and O-line depth. Very deep OG draft at least.

Mat'hir Uth Gan
11-02-2010, 10:12 PM
Seriously, our need at safety is worse than I thought. Every week I'm noticing more problems with Hill. If there was a big batch of good safeties this year I'd say we should think about that in the first because they're more likely to contribute early in their career than a D lineman (I'm looking at it from McD's standpoint of one more year to prove himself). But it doesn't look like a great year for safeties (afaik, I'm still in on season mode though so I'm not too up to date on prospects), and I'd be lying if I said I wasn't man crushing on Clayborne and Heyward.

Huh? Renaldo Hill is actually having a fantastic year for us. Yeah, the facemask penalty against the Jets was backbreaking, but he's performed extremely well overall. ProFootballFocus has him graded out as the 8th best Safety in the NFL this season.

Here are his cumulative season pass defense totals prior to the SF game:

Renaldo Hill - 5 for 10, 50% Completion Rate, 39 Yds, 7.8 YPR, 1 TD, 0 INT, 1 PD


That's really good. We don't need a Safety, especially if we resign Bailey. He can take over down the road for Hill.

Mat'hir Uth Gan
11-02-2010, 10:13 PM
One sleeper I like is Christian Ballard out of Iowa. He's a DE converted from DT (originally was a DE converted to DT) and is listed around 6'4"-6'5" 300 pounds.

His 40 time also seems to range from 4.85 to 4.95.


Yeah, Ballard is a good option in Round 2 if we miss out on a DE in Round 1. He still plays LDE quite a bit, I'd say roughly 85% of the time, but they move him inside as well. I like him much more for a 34 defense than Clayborn.

Los Broncos
11-02-2010, 10:15 PM
It would be nice to make a run at Wilfork but I doubt that happens.