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epicSocialism4tw
11-02-2010, 06:14 PM
Blunt (R) wins Missou senate

epicSocialism4tw
11-02-2010, 06:15 PM
In the greatest senate race of all time, Jim Demint (R) slaughtered the great Alvin Greene to win SC senate.

WolfpackGuy
11-02-2010, 06:17 PM
Coons (D) beat O'Donnell for Delaware Senator

Ugh

Florida_Bronco
11-02-2010, 06:21 PM
Coons (D) beat O'Donnell for Delaware Senator

Ugh

There's a real shocker. ROFL!

WolfpackGuy
11-02-2010, 06:23 PM
There's a real shocker. ROFL!

We're pretty much ****** with either one.

LOL

epicSocialism4tw
11-02-2010, 06:24 PM
Burr (R) wins NC senate

epicSocialism4tw
11-02-2010, 06:31 PM
Boozman (R) wins AR senate

TDmvp
11-02-2010, 06:37 PM
Alan Grayson is getting it handed to him ... SO dislike that guy.

Garcia Bronco
11-02-2010, 06:47 PM
Republicans have a net gain of 2 and 8 in the Senate and House..respectively at this time.

epicSocialism4tw
11-02-2010, 06:48 PM
Alan Grayson is getting it handed to him ... SO dislike that guy.

Dude's a piece of trash.

baja
11-02-2010, 06:49 PM
Reps lost W. V.

epicSocialism4tw
11-02-2010, 06:49 PM
Republicans have a net gain of 2 and 8 in the Senate and House..respectively at this time.

With a de facto 3 in the senate because of Manchin, who ran for senate on an anti-Obamacare/cap & tax platform.

gunns
11-02-2010, 06:59 PM
Blumenthal (D) wins Conn

Requiem
11-02-2010, 07:01 PM
Manchin is not a de-facto Republican you troglodyte.

Garcia Bronco
11-02-2010, 07:02 PM
Net 3 and 11; senate and house

gunns
11-02-2010, 07:02 PM
Coons (D) beat O'Donnell for Delaware Senator

Ugh

It's amazing, as a woman you know that women would do a kick ass job in politics and some have but then you get women like O'Donnell and Pelosi that are a total embarrassment to the gender.

Garcia Bronco
11-02-2010, 07:09 PM
It's amazing, as a woman you know that women would do a kick ass job in politics and some have but then you get women like O'Donnell and Pelosi that are a total embarrassment to the gender.

I don't think those women speak for all women. I don't feel like they represent anyone but themselves. And Pelosi is ruthless. She has to be. You don't get to that spot anymore without being so.

Requiem
11-02-2010, 07:09 PM
O'Donnell is an embarrassment to humanity.

http://www.makli.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/christine-o-donnell.jpg

END MASTURBATION AND EMPHASIZE IN WITCHCRAFT.



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epicSocialism4tw
11-02-2010, 07:13 PM
Fox News saying that Repubs will have a net gain of 60 seats, and have control of the House of Reps.

Florida_Bronco
11-02-2010, 07:19 PM
Charlie Crist losing is pretty sad. He's exactly the kind of moderate, rational politicians we need in office.

WolfpackGuy
11-02-2010, 07:22 PM
It's amazing, as a woman you know that women would do a kick ass job in politics and some have but then you get women like O'Donnell and Pelosi that are a total embarrassment to the gender.

It was pretty much the lesser of two evils.

I didn't vote Coons because he LOVES taxes.

Bobo Biden (Joe's son) not running threw the state Dems into a tizzy, but they still got their way.

epicSocialism4tw
11-02-2010, 07:23 PM
Charlie Crist losing is pretty sad. He's exactly the kind of moderate, rational politicians we need in office.

He got his butt kicked by a guy who's a potential presidential candidate.

gunns
11-02-2010, 07:28 PM
I don't think those women speak for all women. I don't feel like they represent anyone but themselves. And Pelosi is ruthless. She has to be. You don't get to that spot anymore without being so.

It's not the ruthlessness. I actually admire that. I think she misses the mark, or opportunity when it arises as do a lot of Democrats and she sticks her foot in her mouth at inopportune times. And might I add Palin to my list. SOB, that woman is an absolute loon.

Florida_Bronco
11-02-2010, 07:29 PM
He got his butt kicked by a guy who's a potential presidential candidate.

Thanks for the heads up. I figured my local news channels might have been incorrectly reporting Crist's loss.

Hogan11
11-02-2010, 07:33 PM
Cuomo won the NY Gov by a landslide....not that that is really a great thing mind you, but it's way better than crazy Carl Paladino winning it, that's for sure

Florida_Bronco
11-02-2010, 07:35 PM
Cuomo won the NY Gov by a landslide....not that that is really a great thing mind you, but it's way better than crazy Carl Paladino winning it, that's for sure

It's one less teabagger to muck things up. 8')

epicSocialism4tw
11-02-2010, 07:36 PM
Thanks for the heads up. I figured my local news channels might have been incorrectly reporting Crist's loss.

That slimy career politician is just your type.

ZachKC
11-02-2010, 07:37 PM
Is Rand anything like my hero his dad?

Yes but he is a horrible speaker. Just terrible.

Hogan11
11-02-2010, 07:38 PM
It's one less teabagger to muck things up. 8')

He can thank NYC for his victory. I couldn't vote for either of them and voted Green for the first time in my entire life.

At least I'll be able to sleep at night, for what that's worth.

epicSocialism4tw
11-02-2010, 07:41 PM
Yes but he is a horrible speaker. Just terrible.

He's awkward for sure. From Ron to Rand to his kids, they all look like bookworm nerds.

His message is very good though.

Its like the opposite of Obama...Obama is a great teleprompter reader, but delivers an empty message.

ZachKC
11-02-2010, 07:46 PM
He's awkward for sure. From Ron to Rand to his kids, they all look like bookworm nerds.

His message is very good though.

Its like the opposite of Obama...Obama is a great teleprompter reader, but delivers an empty message.

Ya know, through all of Obama's faults that whole only reads from teleprompter stuff is just so silly.

Anyone who parrots that simply doesn't care what goes in one ear and out the other.

HILife
11-02-2010, 07:47 PM
Fox News saying that Repubs will have a net gain of 60 seats, and have control of the House of Reps.

Ugh, so are you going to handout the entire news or just pass out what's in your right hand?

epicSocialism4tw
11-02-2010, 07:49 PM
Ugh, so are you going to handout the entire news or just pass out what's in your right hand?

You want me to provide you with news?

epicSocialism4tw
11-02-2010, 07:51 PM
Ya know, through all of Obama's faults that whole only reads from teleprompter stuff is just so silly.

Anyone who parrots that simply doesn't care what goes in one ear and out the other.

Um...what? Ha!

I hope you're kidding, because he's an absolute train wreck away from the teleprompter.

If you havent noticed because of the sparkly hope and shimmering change that hypnotized you into a zombie, thats your fault.

HILife
11-02-2010, 07:54 PM
You want me to provide you with news?

You already gave out half of it. Might as well pass out what's in your left too. Not all the winners are wearing red shirts.

Florida_Bronco
11-02-2010, 07:56 PM
That slimy career politician is just your type.

You're right. I'm very proud of my moderate stances.

epicSocialism4tw
11-02-2010, 07:56 PM
You already gave out half of it. Might as well pass out what's in your left too. Not all the winners are wearing red shirts.

Post it then.

I'm not going to. Feel free.

ZachKC
11-02-2010, 07:56 PM
Um...what? Ha!

I hope you're kidding, because he's an absolute train wreck away from the teleprompter.

If you havent noticed because of the sparkly hope and shimmering change that hypnotized you into a zombie, thats your fault.

Where was the teleprompter when he went right into the Republican cacaus and laid waste to all those talking points. Literally walked in the Lion's Den and came out unscathed.

This doesn't have to do with his policies. Bash those all you want. But not liking a president should give people free reign to say silly things. It makes you look as stupid as the people who think Bush is actually an idiot.

HILife
11-02-2010, 07:57 PM
Um...what? Ha!

I hope you're kidding, because he's an absolute train wreck away from the teleprompter.

If you havent noticed because of the sparkly hope and shimmering change that hypnotized you into a zombie, thats your fault.

I'm going to half agree on this. I noticed his free style isn't as good as singles.

The other half.............

epicSocialism4tw
11-02-2010, 07:57 PM
You're right. I'm very proud of my moderate stances.

If by "moderate", you mean "extreme wacked out pinko", then yes.

HILife
11-02-2010, 07:58 PM
Post it then.

I'm not going to. Feel free.

I ain't posting up ****. I'm just trying to help you out. Don't want people thinking your an ass or anything

epicSocialism4tw
11-02-2010, 08:00 PM
Where was the teleprompter when he went right into the Republican cacaus and laid waste to all those talking points. Literally walked in the Lion's Den and came out unscathed.

This doesn't have to do with his policies. Bash those all you want. But not liking a president should give people free reign to say silly things. It makes you look as stupid as the people who think Bush is actually an idiot.

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Garcia Bronco
11-02-2010, 08:01 PM
Net gain of 3 and 17; senate and house.

epicSocialism4tw
11-02-2010, 08:01 PM
I ain't posting up ****. I'm just trying to help you out. Don't want people thinking your an ass or anything

Personally, I'm just watching to see how many seats the repubs win.

Help us all out and post the others. ;D

Or not. :)

ZachKC
11-02-2010, 08:03 PM
Wow. A few examples of a President slipping up here and there. Well there you go.

lol @ bumper sticker educated politicos

Garcia Bronco
11-02-2010, 08:04 PM
Lol. John Runyan is winning. Yeah...it's who you think it is.

Garcia Bronco
11-02-2010, 08:05 PM
Bye, bye Pelosi.

ZachKC
11-02-2010, 08:06 PM
Here is part 1 of 7 of Obama sitting there taking unscripted questions from a room full of Republican leaders and doing quite well for himself.

But truth like that doesn't make good e-mail forwards where McSkillet type retards like to get their info. Teleprompters durrrrr

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Florida_Bronco
11-02-2010, 08:06 PM
Wow. A few examples of a President slipping up here and there. Well there you go.

lol @ bumper sticker educated politicos


That's Dramallama in a nutshell.

epicSocialism4tw
11-02-2010, 08:06 PM
Wow. A few examples of a President slipping up here and there. Well there you go.

lol @ bumper sticker educated politicos

No, I said he couldnt speak without a teleprompter.

Maybe you should remove your head from your lower intestine and you might be able to hear better.

snowspot66
11-02-2010, 08:07 PM
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So? Are you trying to call into question his intelligence? What's your point?

epicSocialism4tw
11-02-2010, 08:08 PM
Here is part 1 of 7 of Obama sitting there taking unscripted questions from a room full of Republican leaders and doing quite well for himself.

But truth like that doesn't make good e-mail forwards where McSkillet type retards like to get their info. Teleprompters durrrrr


Aw. Sad Obama heart boy. So sad.

WolfpackGuy
11-02-2010, 08:08 PM
Lol. John Runyan is winning. Yeah...it's who you think it is.

I saw that too.

He's one BIG mf'er.

epicSocialism4tw
11-02-2010, 08:08 PM
So? Are you trying to call into question his intelligence? What's your point?

That he struggles without the teleprompter. I didnt claim anything more or anything less.

Zach is the one who said he and Bush are intelligent. I didnt say anything one way or the other.

HILife
11-02-2010, 08:09 PM
Personally, I'm just watching to see how many seats the repubs win.

Help us all out and post the others. ;D

Or not. :)

I kind of think we are screwed either way. If one side has all the power, things get done, but it's not always the best things. If power is distributed, then nothing gets done, but nothing stupid gets passed either. Damned if you do and damned if you don't.

gunns
11-02-2010, 08:10 PM
Mike Lee (R) projected winner of Senate seat in Utah. I'm shocked.

Now let's see where he cuts that 40% in the national budget. Part of the "new" comical revolution.

ZachKC
11-02-2010, 08:10 PM
Aw. Sad Obama heart boy. So sad.

I am a moderate. I am embracing the gridlock. Neither of these parties do well with power majorities. The Democrats have good intentions but don't execute well at all. The Republicans haven't sniffed fiscal conservatism in ages.

You wouldn't know anything about pragmatic that though. Let Beck and Rush do your thinking for you.

epicSocialism4tw
11-02-2010, 08:11 PM
I kind of think we are screwed either way. If one side has all the power, things get done, but it's not always the best things. If power is distributed, then nothing gets done, but nothing stupid gets passed either. Damned if you do and damned if you don't.

Hopefully this will be like the husband putting the kilbosh on the credit spending of the trophy wife.

These are politicians though, so who knows.

Garcia Bronco
11-02-2010, 08:11 PM
Mike Lee (R) projected winner of Senate seat in Utah. I'm shocked.

Now let's see where he cuts that 40% in the national budget. Part of the "new" comical revolution.

You saw me list out the big three items to cut.

ZachKC
11-02-2010, 08:12 PM
You have to feel good for any Bronco fan Republicans. They get to actually taste victory...if only for one night.

epicSocialism4tw
11-02-2010, 08:12 PM
I am a moderate. I am embracing the gridlock. Neither of these parties do well with power majorities. The Democrats have good intentions but don't execute well at all. The Republicans haven't sniffed fiscal conservatism in ages.

You wouldn't know anything about pragmatic that though. Let Beck and Rush do your thinking for you.

For you MSNBC/Jon Stewart slurping zombies, "moderate" means that you're farther left on the continuum than Karl Marx.

gunns
11-02-2010, 08:15 PM
I am a moderate. I am embracing the gridlock. Neither of these parties do well with power majorities. The Democrats have good intentions but don't execute well at all. The Republicans haven't sniffed fiscal conservatism in ages.

You wouldn't know anything about pragmatic that though. Let Beck and Rush do your thinking for you.

:thumbsup: Excellent description.

Florida_Bronco
11-02-2010, 08:15 PM
I am a moderate. I am embracing the gridlock. Neither of these parties do well with power majorities. The Democrats have good intentions but don't execute well at all. The Republicans haven't sniffed fiscal conservatism in ages.

You wouldn't know anything about pragmatic that though. Let Beck and Rush do your thinking for you.

Even his fellow Republicans think he's bat**** crazy. ROFL!

HILife
11-02-2010, 08:15 PM
Hopefully this will be like the husband putting the kilbosh on the credit spending of the trophy wife.

These are politicians though, so who knows.

ooowwww I like that metaphor. I thought I was pushing out some decent ones, but that's not bad.

EDIT: I gave out to many ooooowww. It's more like ooww

ZachKC
11-02-2010, 08:16 PM
For you MSNBC/Jon Stewart slurping zombies, "moderate" means that you're farther left on the continuum than Karl Marx.

Says the guy who just got his Rush talking point shot to hell. Hey man...no worries...this is a great country. We have room for guys like you who are educated by bumper stickers and e-mail forwards. Just don't get too loud when the adults are trying to discuss politics.

OBF1
11-02-2010, 08:17 PM
Bye, bye Pelosi.

Eff pelosi

epicSocialism4tw
11-02-2010, 08:19 PM
Says the guy who just got his Rush talking point shot to hell. Hey man...no worries...this is a great country. We have room for guys like you who are educated by bumper stickers and e-mail forwards. Just don't get too loud when the adults are trying to discuss politics.

Adults?

From the depth of your discussion, you come off as the average 19-year old college dropout fresh from an "enlightening" comedy show/political gathering/rock concert aimed at 19-year old college dropouts. You're just educated enough to miss the fact that wisdom is out of reach.

Donnie, you're out of your element.

enjolras
11-02-2010, 08:20 PM
Eff pelosi

I agree.. and I tend to be a bit more on the left. She's truly god awful.

enjolras
11-02-2010, 08:20 PM
A.P. just called the Colorado Governors race for Hickenlooper.

enjolras
11-02-2010, 08:22 PM
Historically, we've done best (in terms of GDP growth) with a Conservative Congress and a Liberal president. So we're back to that.

ZachKC
11-02-2010, 08:24 PM
Adults?

From the depth of your discussion, you come off as the average 19-year old college dropout fresh from an "enlightening" comedy show/political gathering/rock concert aimed at 19-year old college dropouts. You're just educated enough to miss the fact that wisdom is out of reach.

Donnie, you're out of your element.

Late 20's - successful small business owner.

I have been around the block a few times. Contribute to the system and can see a shallow talking point regurgitator from a thousand miles. You don't have to believe me though...but the other people laughing at you in this thread see you are much better suited for the shallow end.

Garcia Bronco
11-02-2010, 08:26 PM
You have to feel good for any Bronco fan Republicans. They get to actually taste victory...if only for one night.

This season. How many has it been for you? Shall we revive the thread about advertisements since the Chiefs last won the Super Bowl :p

Garcia Bronco
11-02-2010, 08:31 PM
I wonder what the markets will do tomorrow.

Kid A
11-02-2010, 08:31 PM
Late 20's - successful small business owner.

I have been around the block a few times. Contribute to the system and can see a shallow talking point regurgitator from a thousand miles. You don't have to believe me though...but the other people laughing at you in this thread see you are much better suited in the shallow end.

You don't understand: if you aren't voting Tea Party down the line, you're a far left Marxist. If you watch a channel other than Fox and occasionally enjoy the Daily Show, you're a college drop out. If you don't agree with the previous two sentences, you "just don't get it."

I'm running out of patronizing, vapid statements here, but you get the picture.

ZachKC
11-02-2010, 08:32 PM
I wonder what the markets will do tomorrow.

The gridlock will create a bit more certainty. I imagine it will be positive.

Garcia Bronco
11-02-2010, 08:34 PM
Incumbents are getting thrown left and right.


Yeah... You can quote it. :)

ZachKC
11-02-2010, 08:36 PM
The problem the Tea Party has is they are beholden to two masters. They have two distinct groups under one umbrella that don't really play nice. On one hand you have small government campaign for liberty Ron Paul types. They actually care about fiscal conservatism. On the other hand you have Palin type retards who think the most important issues right now are abortion and gun rights. They pay lip service to smaller government but it is just that.

Those differences cause a lot of message headaches for the tea party.

Garcia Bronco
11-02-2010, 08:36 PM
Bye bye Feingold.

spdirty
11-02-2010, 08:38 PM
You have to feel good for any Bronco fan Republicans. They get to actually taste victory...if only for one night.

Yeah, but it looks like colorado is full of stupid tonight. :(

enjolras
11-02-2010, 08:51 PM
Yeah, but it looks like colorado is full of stupid tonight. :(

In what way?

epicSocialism4tw
11-02-2010, 08:53 PM
The problem the Tea Party has is they are beholden to two masters. They have two distinct groups under one umbrella that don't really play nice. On one hand you have small government campaign for liberty Ron Paul types. They actually care about fiscal conservatism. On the other hand you have Palin type retards who think the most important issues right now are abortion and gun rights. They pay lip service to smaller government but it is just that.Those differences cause a lot of message headaches for the tea party.

The boldened above is a good example of ignorance, or being unaware of current issues and events. Sounds like a page right out of Keith Olbermann's garbage spiel.

Palin pretty much sticks to endorsing conservative women

Rohirrim
11-02-2010, 08:53 PM
So, our home grown beer baron is the new governor.

ZachKC
11-02-2010, 08:57 PM
The boldened above is a good example of ignorance, or being unaware of current issues and events. Sounds like a page right out of Keith Olbermann's garbage spiel.

Palin pretty much sticks to endorsing conservative women

It isn't.

I have been to tea party events here and seen them with my own eyes. This is a group beholden to two masters. I don't really align with campaign for liberty folks but I respect the hell out of them. At least they have an actual belief system. They don't just quit midway.

How completely unsurprising you are a Palinite. Hahahahaha....educated on e-mail forwards and bumper stickers INDEED!

enjolras
11-02-2010, 08:59 PM
So, our home grown beer baron is the new governor.

I'm really glad. I actually know him somewhat well (I work on a non-profit board that has put me at a few different social functions with the mayor). He's a great guy. Smart, home-grown, and definitely can bring different sides together (see: fast-tracks).

I have high expectations for his administration.

I'm going to go drink a beer in celebration:)

Rohirrim
11-02-2010, 09:01 PM
It isn't.

I have been to tea party events here and seen them with my own eyes. This is a group beholden to two masters. I don't really align with campaign for liberty folks but I respect the hell out of them. At least they have an actual belief system.

How completely unsurprising you are a Palinite. Hahahahaha....educated on e-mail forwards and bumper stickers INDEED!

Yep. The Republican Party has a bee hive in its lap. Now, what do they do with it? Ha!

Garcia Bronco
11-02-2010, 09:03 PM
Hickenlooper has been declared the winner in Colorado with 19 percent reporting up 20k in votes.

Rohirrim
11-02-2010, 09:04 PM
I'm really glad. I actually know him somewhat well (I work on a non-profit board that has put me at a few different social functions with the mayor). He's a great guy. Smart, home-grown, and definitely can bring different sides together (see: fast-tracks).

I have high expectations for his administration.

I'm going to go drink a beer in celebration:)

I sure as hell prefer him to Tancredo. I was afraid Tancredo would surround our borders with concertina wire and machine gun towers.

Garcia Bronco
11-02-2010, 09:05 PM
Yep. The Republican Party has a bee hive in its lap. Now, what do they do with it? Ha!

Absolutely. It'll be tough for them to deliver.

broncogary
11-02-2010, 09:09 PM
Hickenlooper has been declared the winner in Colorado with 19 percent reporting up 20k in votes.

And I believe he's been on Orange Force One.

enjolras
11-02-2010, 09:11 PM
Also here in Colorado: 60, 61, 62, and 101 all failed miserably.

The UFO amendment in Denver also failed. Shocking I know.

Pony Boy
11-02-2010, 09:11 PM
Ding-Dong the Witch is Dead

Garcia Bronco
11-02-2010, 09:14 PM
And I believe he's been on Orange Force One.

I think he'll be a good Governor.

Rohirrim
11-02-2010, 09:16 PM
Like Bob Dylan sang, you don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows. The American people are pissed about this economy.

enjolras
11-02-2010, 09:28 PM
This election is really bizarre. We're very pissed about the economy, but we're putting the party back in power that presided over it's tanking in the first place.

Not sure I get it.

24champ
11-02-2010, 09:31 PM
I think he'll be a good Governor.

Hickenlooper is an idiot, but really Colorado like California didn't have great candidates to begin with.

Dukes
11-02-2010, 09:31 PM
This election is really bizarre. We're very pissed about the economy, but we're putting the party back in power that presided over it's tanking in the first place.

Not sure I get it.

All you can hope for is the "new" republicans don't make the mistake of their predecessors. Which isn't likely. They are politicians afterall.

epicSocialism4tw
11-02-2010, 09:41 PM
The big story from tonight?

The Tea Party is coming up big.

Tea Party Candidate Tim Scott Wins: South Carolina Elects First Black Conservative from Deep South Since Reconstruction
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/11/02/south-carolina-elects-nations-black-gop-congressman/

Tea Party Candidate Mike Lee Wins Utah Senate Seat: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/11/02/conservative-republican-wins-utah-senate-seat/

Tear Party Candidate Ron Johnson Defeats Progressive Russ Feingold for Wisconsin Senate Seat

Tea Party Candidate Nikki Haley wins Governor of South Carolina.

Tea Party Candidate Marco Rubio wins Senate seat for Florida.

Tea Party Candidate Rand Paul wins Senate seat for Kentucky.

Tea Party Founder Ron Paul wins Texas House seat.

Jim DeMint wins SC senate seat.

Kelly Ayotte wins NH senate seat.

John Boozman wins Arkansas Senate seat

Jerry Moran wins Kansas Senate seat

Justin Amash wins Michigan House seat

Michelle Bachmann wins Minnesota House seat.

Tom Coburn wins Oklahoma Senator

John Thune wins South Dakota Senator

Kevin Yoder wins Kansas House seat

Mike Crapo wins Idaho Senator

Mary Fallin wins Oklahoma Governor

Jan Brewer wins Arizona Governor.

Susana Martinez wins New Mexico Governor, and is the first latina governor in US history.

Rick Scott is winning FL Governor.

.................
.................
.................and many, many more to come.

RhymesayersDU
11-02-2010, 09:53 PM
Congrats to Susana Martinez in my state.

Heinrich/Barela for the House seat is coming down to the wire. Come on Barela!

ghwk
11-02-2010, 09:53 PM
Yep. The Republican Party has a bee hive in its lap. Now, what do they do with it? Ha!

Now that they have the house but no plan just rhetoric to govern with, this should be very interesting to watch the finger pointing start I give it 2 months

gunns
11-02-2010, 09:55 PM
All you can hope for is the "new" republicans don't make the mistake of their predecessors. Which isn't likely. They are politicians afterall.

I don't get that. I would think it would read, but they are politicians after all. I think you can bet the bank they will.

HILife
11-02-2010, 09:55 PM
The big story from tonight?

The Tea Party is coming up big.

Tea Party Candidate Tim Scott Wins: South Carolina Elects First Black Conservative from Deep South Since Reconstruction
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/11/02/south-carolina-elects-nations-black-gop-congressman/

Tea Party Candidate Mike Lee Wins Utah Senate Seat: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/11/02/conservative-republican-wins-utah-senate-seat/

Tear Party Candidate Ron Johnson Defeats Progressive Russ Feingold for Wisconsin Senate Seat

Tea Party Candidate Nikki Haley wins Governor of South Carolina.

Tea Party Candidate Marco Rubio wins Senate seat for Florida.

Tea Party Candidate Rand Paul wins Senate seat for Kentucky.

Tea Party Founder Ron Paul wins Texas House seat.

Jim DeMint wins SC senate seat.

Kelly Ayotte wins NH senate seat.

John Boozman wins Arkansas Senate seat

Jerry Moran wins Kansas Senate seat

Justin Amash wins Michigan House seat

Michelle Bachmann wins Minnesota House seat.

Tom Coburn wins Oklahoma Senator

John Thune wins South Dakota Senator

Kevin Yoder wins Kansas House seat

Mike Crapo wins Idaho Senator

Mary Fallin wins Oklahoma Governor

Jan Brewer wins Arizona Governor.

Susana Martinez wins New Mexico Governor, and is the first latina governor in US history.

Rick Scott is winning FL Governor.

.................
.................
.................and many, many more to come.


mmmmm sandwich

HILife
11-02-2010, 09:56 PM
I don't get that. I would think it would read, but they are politicians after all. I think you can bet the bank they will.

I didn't really get that, either.

epicSocialism4tw
11-02-2010, 09:58 PM
So, the "racist, sexist" Tea Party puts forth a diverse group of candidates highlighted by a young firebrand Cuban Senator, the first latina Governor in the history of the US, the first black Congressman from the deep south since reconstruction, the first woman Governor ever in Oklahoma, the daughter of Indian immigrants, and at least 3 other women elected to positions of power.

ghwk
11-02-2010, 09:59 PM
I didn't really get that, either.

A year from now that will be the rallying point to throw them all out again in the next election cycle.

ghwk
11-02-2010, 10:01 PM
So, the "racist, sexist" Tea Party puts forth a diverse group of candidates highlighted by a young firebrand Cuban Senator, the first latina Governor in the history of the US, the first black Congressman from the deep south since reconstruction, the first woman Governor ever in Oklahoma, the daughter of Indian immigrants, and at least 3 other women elected to positions of power.

I guess they better go get something done, this tea party. Otherwise they will be exposed as pretenders and you along with them!

epicSocialism4tw
11-02-2010, 10:02 PM
Ohio has pretty much been a republican sweep, with the Gov. race going to Kasich.

This pretty much is the death knell for the Obama agenda.

Requiem
11-02-2010, 10:06 PM
Let the Biology major (McSkillet) have a little bit of glory tonight. He is talking about how the Tea Party Candidates are coming up big.

Yeah?

They ran as Republicans, with R's next to their names and didn't have the balls (the whole movement doesn't) to go the independent route.

Look at the seats they won. Look at the districts they are winning in.

It isn't surprising.

Most of them were non-competitive and have aligned that way for many election cycles.

It isn't coming up "big" when it is reinforcing political competition norms. Though, I wouldn't expect a Bible-thumping Biology major to grasp politik.

ghwk
11-02-2010, 10:07 PM
Ohio has pretty much been a republican sweep, with the Gov. race going to Kasich.

This pretty much is the death knell for the Obama agenda.

What is so sad about the ignorance that makes you feel so smug tonight is that while Obama can perhaps be blamed for not getting us out of our economic morass, Americans are returning to power the people who got us into it. Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it and repeat it we shall.

Requiem
11-02-2010, 10:10 PM
Wasn't Angle supposed to win in Nevada according to people here?

Aw shucks.

Guess they forgot that polls don't take into account the breakdown in registered voters for party.

Hehe.

No dumb whore for Nevada! WOO.

epicSocialism4tw
11-02-2010, 10:10 PM
What is so sad about the ignorance that makes you feel so smug tonight is that while Obama can perhaps be blamed for not getting us out of our economic morass, Americans are returning to power the people who got us into it. Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it and repeat it we shall.

As I showed with the extensive list above, this is not "the people that got us into this".

This was an incumbent gorefest on a Tarantino level.

What this was, was the American people telling the establishment that they better start listening to their concerns.

ghwk
11-02-2010, 10:11 PM
LOL moneybags' Fiorina and Twitman both lose in Ca! Sweet! Hilarious!

epicSocialism4tw
11-02-2010, 10:12 PM
Pat Toomey (R) won the Pennsylvania Senate seat.

ghwk
11-02-2010, 10:13 PM
As I showed with the extensive list above, this is not "the people that got us into this".

This was an incumbent gorefest on a Tarantino level.

What this was, was the American people telling the establishment that they better start listening to their concerns.

So you think. The machine will eat them all and spit out their bones as a warning.

24champ
11-02-2010, 10:14 PM
LOL moneybags' Fiorina and Twitman both lose in Ca! Sweet! Hilarious!

I agree they suck...but Jerry Brown? Ha!

Dude is senile and clueless.

epicSocialism4tw
11-02-2010, 10:14 PM
Repubs have gained 5 senate seats.

epicSocialism4tw
11-02-2010, 10:15 PM
So you think. The machine will eat them all and spit out their bones as a warning.

We'll see.

We have an activist middle class now. There will be more accountability than I have seen in my lifetime. That doesnt mean its all peachy from here, but it does mean that ground has been gained.

ghwk
11-02-2010, 10:16 PM
I agree they suck...but Jerry Brown? Ha!

Dude is senile and clueless.

Actually he is neither of those, although you may not care for his politics, which is fine he is at least politically savvy in a state that is a political mess. Whitman on the other hand would have been completely ineffective because of that.

Garcia Bronco
11-02-2010, 10:17 PM
Net gain of 5 senate seat and 45 house seats

epicSocialism4tw
11-02-2010, 10:19 PM
Wow. Another rug pulled out from the Obama admin...


His senate seat goes to Kirk (R) in Illinois. Shocking, IMO.

HILife
11-02-2010, 10:19 PM
A year from now that will be the rallying point to throw them all out again in the next election cycle.

Onward, to VICTORY!!!

ghwk
11-02-2010, 10:21 PM
Net gain of 5 senate seat and 45 house seats

Pretty much as expected. Now what will become of it. 2 years of taxpayer funded gridlock. Enjoy!

24champ
11-02-2010, 10:21 PM
Actually he is neither of those, although you may not care for his politics, which is fine he is at least politically savvy in a state that is a political mess. Whitman on the other hand would have been completely ineffective because of that.

I didn't vote for either, but the candidates in this state sucked. I happen to believe it is a reflection of what a cluster**** the state is in, that no qualified candidate wants to tackle the enormous problems California has. I mean Jerry Brown is a clown that sucked in his first try...yet gets another crack at it. Only in Kookafornia.

OBF1
11-02-2010, 10:24 PM
LOL moneybags' Fiorina and Twitman both lose in Ca! Sweet! Hilarious!

This is perfect... Status quo for California, This will ensure California as the butt of every other states jokes for years to come.

That One Guy
11-02-2010, 10:24 PM
Pretty much as expected. Now what will become of it. 2 years of taxpayer funded gridlock. Enjoy!

My expectation as well.

Did I read the projected House Majority leader said he was going to get the healthcare bill repealed? How would one expect the house alone to accomplish such??

ghwk
11-02-2010, 10:25 PM
I didn't vote for either, but the candidates in this state sucked. I happen to believe it is a reflection of what a cluster**** the state is in, that no qualified candidate wants to tackle the enormous problems California has. I mean Jerry Brown is a clown that sucked in his first try...yet gets another crack at it. Only in Kookafornia.

He's not the same guy he was 20 years ago, none of us are. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that he has broadened his view somewhat.

epicSocialism4tw
11-02-2010, 10:25 PM
I didn't vote for either, but the candidates in this state sucked. I happen to believe it is a reflection of what a cluster**** the state is in, that no qualified candidate wants to tackle the enormous problems California has. I mean Jerry Brown is a clown that sucked in his first try...yet gets another crack at it. Only in Kookafornia.

That state is so beholden to so many oddball interests that its pretty much impossible to clean up the mess. You guys need someone who will basically waste their term just cutting loose dead weight and ticking people off.

Thats the only way to get where you guys need to be. Someone has to hit the reset button.

Garcia Bronco
11-02-2010, 10:33 PM
Pretty much as expected. Now what will become of it. 2 years of taxpayer funded gridlock. Enjoy!

Hopefully.

Requiem
11-02-2010, 10:37 PM
Buck gaining some ground with more precincts coming in Colorado.

~ 10,000 votes behind.

24champ
11-02-2010, 10:37 PM
He's not the same guy he was 20 years ago, none of us are. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that he has broadened his view somewhat.

Hope you are right, but I have my doubts from watching the debates. Jerry rambled and was all over the map on issues facing California.

Be honest, when you looked at the ballot...you had to be thinking to yourself this is the best either party can come up with to lead this State? To me it's just a reflection of the sad state of affairs in California.

Requiem
11-02-2010, 10:39 PM
It is always a sad state of affairs when it comes to politics in California.

That state is a pisshole.

Garcia Bronco
11-02-2010, 10:39 PM
My expectation as well.

Did I read the projected House Majority leader said he was going to get the healthcare bill repealed? How would one expect the house alone to accomplish such??

It's possible, but as you allude they would need the senate to do so. And/or override a Presidential Veto. So it's not probable.

cutthemdown
11-02-2010, 10:39 PM
This election is really bizarre. We're very pissed about the economy, but we're putting the party back in power that presided over it's tanking in the first place.

Not sure I get it.

Maybe you just weren't right about who is too blame.

ColoradoDarin
11-02-2010, 10:43 PM
Charlie Crist losing is pretty sad. He's exactly the kind of moderate, rational politicians we need in office.

Yeah, I can't believe his message of "everything I said I believed prior to 6 months ago isn't true anymore" didn't resonate with voters??

Requiem
11-02-2010, 10:44 PM
Harry Reid wins again.

Requiem
11-02-2010, 10:45 PM
Maybe you just weren't right about who is too blame.

All of them were to blame.

Don't be disingenuous.

troya900
11-02-2010, 10:47 PM
I'm so disappointed that Barbara "Please call me Senator I've 'earned' it" Boxer got reelected ugh.

ghwk
11-02-2010, 10:48 PM
It is always a sad state of affairs when it comes to politics in California.

That state is a pisshole.

That state is my state and I care about it not being a piss hole. That having been said it is performing way below expectations.

Requiem
11-02-2010, 10:50 PM
That state is my state and I care about it not being a piss hole. That having been said it is performing way below expectations.

Nothing is ever going to change in California.

It is a professional-style state legislature that is undercut by operatives and special interests.

Way too many things going on behind the scenes that cannot be changed by the average fellow to ever provide hope for that.

bronco militia
11-02-2010, 10:53 PM
change? nevermind

Americans only vote for their favorite team

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa181/Okieboy_1/OkieontheLam/ReidPelosiFrank.jpg

cutthemdown
11-02-2010, 10:54 PM
All of them were to blame.

Don't be disingenuous.

I know. The real problem is compromise. For too long repubs cave to dems, dems cave to repubs, and they spend all our money. Sure they fight here and there but basically entitlements and the pentegon have both been getting overfed.

At some point we need some people who make the tough choices. I doubt its any of these ones though. Seems like just more of the same to me.

spdirty
11-02-2010, 11:07 PM
Suthers won the Colorado AG race. Gessler won Sec of State. And our districts went from 5 dem 2 GOP to 4 GOP 3 dem. Very disappointed Frazier didn't beat Perlmutter. Also disappointed that Amendment 63 failed.

Hopefully the state house and senate goes GOP. Put Hick in check.

TailgateNut
11-02-2010, 11:17 PM
The big story from tonight?

The Tea Party is coming up big.

Tea Party Candidate Tim Scott Wins: South Carolina Elects First Black Conservative from Deep South Since Reconstruction
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/11/02/south-carolina-elects-nations-black-gop-congressman/

Tea Party Candidate Mike Lee Wins Utah Senate Seat: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/11/02/conservative-republican-wins-utah-senate-seat/

Tear Party Candidate Ron Johnson Defeats Progressive Russ Feingold for Wisconsin Senate Seat

Tea Party Candidate Nikki Haley wins Governor of South Carolina.

Tea Party Candidate Marco Rubio wins Senate seat for Florida.

Tea Party Candidate Rand Paul wins Senate seat for Kentucky.

Tea Party Founder Ron Paul wins Texas House seat.

Jim DeMint wins SC senate seat.

Kelly Ayotte wins NH senate seat.

John Boozman wins Arkansas Senate seat

Jerry Moran wins Kansas Senate seat

Justin Amash wins Michigan House seat

Michelle Bachmann wins Minnesota House seat.

Tom Coburn wins Oklahoma Senator

John Thune wins South Dakota Senator

Kevin Yoder wins Kansas House seat

Mike Crapo wins Idaho Senator

Mary Fallin wins Oklahoma Governor

Jan Brewer wins Arizona Governor.

Susana Martinez wins New Mexico Governor, and is the first latina governor in US history.

Rick Scott is winning FL Governor.

.................
.................
.................and many, many more to come.

Just goes to show that it's sooooo easy to pull the chain attached to ignorant people.

Requiem
11-02-2010, 11:23 PM
Duh. America has one of the most retarded electorates ever.

spdirty
11-02-2010, 11:24 PM
Just goes to show that it's sooooo easy to pull the chain attached to ignorant people.

Who did you end up voting for for governer?

24champ
11-02-2010, 11:25 PM
I know. The real problem is compromise. For too long repubs cave to dems, dems cave to repubs, and they spend all our money. Sure they fight here and there but basically entitlements and the pentegon have both been getting overfed.

At some point we need some people who make the tough choices. I doubt its any of these ones though. Seems like just more of the same to me.

Req is right, nothing will change California.

At this point, I can see the Feds bailing out California's debt.

SonOfLe-loLang
11-02-2010, 11:37 PM
I dont want to get too much into today's results, they are what i expected and i assume not much will happen in the next 2 years.

But John Boehner is an orange asshole.

SoCalBronco
11-02-2010, 11:41 PM
Hopefully Buck can pull it out in Colorado. It looks like Murray will survive in Washington, as the remaining areas are helpful to her. It looks like Murkowski, who lost the GOP primary, will win in Alaska as a write-in.

It looks like Scott may hold on (just barely) in Florida.

baja
11-02-2010, 11:42 PM
I agree they suck...but Jerry Brown? Ha!

Dude is senile and clueless.

bad news for California

Atwater 27
11-02-2010, 11:44 PM
Duh. America has one of the most retarded electorates ever.

You're right about a few states.... Mass, Cali and Nevada.Ha!

SonOfLe-loLang
11-02-2010, 11:47 PM
bad news for California

I'll take Brown over Whitman anyday. Though the governer will be a bit handcuffed no matter what.

SonOfLe-loLang
11-02-2010, 11:47 PM
Just goes to show that it's sooooo easy to pull the chain attached to ignorant people.

So ****ing true

Atwater 27
11-02-2010, 11:51 PM
I'm gonna enjoy watching California burn.....

SonOfLe-loLang
11-02-2010, 11:55 PM
I'm gonna enjoy watching California burn.....

Classy. By the way, for everyone who calls us a "liberal state" pretty much every proposition we had on the ballot went the way of the right.

24champ
11-03-2010, 12:00 AM
I'll take Brown over Whitman anyday. Though the governer will be a bit handcuffed no matter what.

Been that way for a while.

cutthemdown
11-03-2010, 12:03 AM
cmon sonoflelo. The state is super liberal. The prop 19 marijuana lost because it was written poorly not because of the issue. The medical we have now is better and more lenient. Plus the feds saying they would just sue to block it in court made people know it was BS. Props to all of us in calif for learning not to vote for props that have no chance of being law. They are a waste of time.

cutthemdown
11-03-2010, 12:04 AM
Been that way for a while.

they passed the prop making only a majority needed for a budget.

still though to raise taxes he will have to hold a special election and make his pitch to the voters.

OABB
11-03-2010, 12:07 AM
Meg Whitman would of had a tough time here. There aren't any jobs for her to cut to pad her parachute.

SonOfLe-loLang
11-03-2010, 12:10 AM
cmon sonoflelo. The state is super liberal. The prop 19 marijuana lost because it was written poorly not because of the issue. The medical we have now is better and more lenient. Plus the feds saying they would just sue to block it in court made people know it was BS. Props to all of us in calif for learning not to vote for props that have no chance of being law. They are a waste of time.

Super liberal? Hardly. It has had liberal leanings, but id hardly call it super liberal. Maybe compared to other states it is. I'll agree poorly run, but that was by both dems and repubs. But trust me...NOTHING in america is "super liberal"

SonOfLe-loLang
11-03-2010, 12:24 AM
cmon sonoflelo. The state is super liberal. The prop 19 marijuana lost because it was written poorly not because of the issue. The medical we have now is better and more lenient. Plus the feds saying they would just sue to block it in court made people know it was BS. Props to all of us in calif for learning not to vote for props that have no chance of being law. They are a waste of time.

Youre giving way too much credit to the electorate if you think thats why it didnt pass (though i agree it was poorly written)

cutthemdown
11-03-2010, 12:36 AM
Youre giving way too much credit to the electorate if you think thats why it didnt pass (though i agree it was poorly written)

I know quite a few of us that voted against it based on the fact we feel it's the feds job to regulate pot. Until they say its legal its stupid to try and change it. Better to just keep the medical we have that feds seem to tolerate.

Also on the super liberal point, obviously I am comparing Calif to the other states. We may not be super liberal compared with Europe, but compared to Kentucky we are lol.

Still I am hopeful Brown is ready to cut spending. We will see.

enjolras
11-03-2010, 12:55 AM
I know quite a few of us that voted against it based on the fact we feel it's the feds job to regulate pot. Until they say its legal its stupid to try and change it. Better to just keep the medical we have that feds seem to tolerate.

I thought it was an excellent opportunity to send a message to the feds that this is what the voters want. Proposition 19's failure guarantees we won't see significant drug reform in the next decade.

I don't care as I'm not a pot-smoker. I care because I want to stop throwing people in jail right and left (we are the worlds leader in prison population).

enjolras
11-03-2010, 12:58 AM
One last tidbit. Apparently things are looking quite good for Bennett in the Colorado senate race. Most of the highly republican districts are fully reported. As I head to bed there are apparently 80k-100k votes yet to be reported, with a big chunk of those in Denver/Boulder where Bennett is way ahead.

It'll be interesting to see if that holds through the rest of the night.

Prodigal19
11-03-2010, 01:23 AM
Buck currently ahead by 797 votes. Damn this is close.

cutthemdown
11-03-2010, 01:24 AM
I thought it was an excellent opportunity to send a message to the feds that this is what the voters want. Proposition 19's failure guarantees we won't see significant drug reform in the next decade.

I don't care as I'm not a pot-smoker. I care because I want to stop throwing people in jail right and left (we are the worlds leader in prison population).

Well this law only made under an ounce legal. Which in calif is already only an infraction which they dont even really enforce. The on top of it this law added a huge tax. I don't agree with any product, whether I use it or not being taxed that heavily. Also it limited how much people could grow, where you could grow it, smoke it, etc etc and IMO govt has no business telling people how much weed they can grow.

I disagree this prop losing means there is a better chance a better law could be written.

ColoradoDarin
11-03-2010, 04:32 AM
Req is right, nothing will change California.

At this point, I can see the Feds bailing out California's debt.

With the US House results, I don't see a Cali bailout.

I do see a state that is boned. That's what happens when you turn over your finances to the public unions.

TailgateNut
11-03-2010, 05:19 AM
Hopefully Buck can pull it out in Colorado. It looks like Murray will survive in Washington, as the remaining areas are helpful to her. It looks like Murkowski, who lost the GOP primary, will win in Alaska as a write-in.

It looks like Scott may hold on (just barely) in Florida.


Figures that someone who idolizes Nixon would root for a person as assbackward as ****/ err: Buck.

Rock Chalk
11-03-2010, 05:51 AM
not for nuttin, not that it was a great bill, but a lot of the health care items were once supported by Republicans a couple years ago

That's because we all agree that there needs to be health care reform and while some of the items on the health bill are ideal (no more pre-existing conditions) the methodology of implementing them were not.

If there are no more pre-existing conditions then EVERYONE'S health care costs go up and who foots the bill? People will bitch b/c their health care costs went up when they are already too expensive. So they government has to foot the bill which is where these ridiculous spending comes into play. Obama portrayed x amount of dollars to cover the health care costs when the reality is it would be upwards of 5 or 6 times more than that. Whatever that x was (I dont recall off the top of my head) was already more than the people wanted to pay and now multiply that by 5 and you get the idea.

The Republicans have a chance here, to regain some of the trust they lost in 2006 and 2008 (and rightfully lost, they spent money like democrats under Bush's administration) and if they can whittle some of the **** in that health care down or get it repealed completely (which is unlikely as Obama still can veto, the Senate is still blue - though I think there will be enough Dem Senators on notice that they will not just pass anything Obama hands them - and the House does not have 2/3rds majority to over-rule a veto).

I just want both sides to finally work together in a bi-partisan way and get something done that will make the most amount of Americans happy instead of the very small percentage of fringe left wackjobs out there.

Garcia Bronco
11-03-2010, 06:41 AM
I voted for Buck, TGN. Bennett voted for Obamacare and needs to go.

driver
11-03-2010, 06:51 AM
The real answer is here:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703708404575586063725870380.html?m od=rss_opinion_main

Voters don't want to be governed from the left, right or center. They want Washington to recognize that Americans want to govern themselves..

Government of the people, by the people, for the people, If I remember right thats what it' supposed to be. our elected rep's seem to think govern means rule, it really doesn't.

Rohirrim
11-03-2010, 07:03 AM
This election won't make us bi-partisan, just more bi-polar. ;D

The Republicans really have only one trick in their bag, and that's attack politics. Don't expect to see anything constructive out of them. I'm looking forward to the first articles of impeachment brought to the floor. Should be an entertaining couple of years in Washington.

TonyR
11-03-2010, 07:11 AM
Just goes to show that it's sooooo easy to pull the chain attached to ignorant people.

Yup, these dopes actually think that because these candidates got linked to the "tea party" that they are going to full bore push the "tea party" agenda. Dream on. Most of these people linked themselves to the tea party because they knew the populist/outsider image was a winning hand in this election. This is about getting elected, not about actually governing. Do these rubes no nothing about politics? It's going to be hilarious to watch people like Skillet squirm and backpedal when these people he's gloating about getting elected actually have to start making some difficult decisions. It's time to start calling the GOP's and the tea party's bluff.

Jetmeck
11-03-2010, 07:40 AM
This election won't make us bi-partisan, just more bi-polar. ;D

The Republicans really have only one trick in their bag, and that's attack politics. Don't expect to see anything constructive out of them. I'm looking forward to the first articles of impeachment brought to the floor. Should be an entertaining couple of years in Washington.

Exactly. You idiots wanted BACK WHAT ****ED US TO BEGIN WITH THEN ENJOY IT !!!!!

dAMN TERRIBLE oBAMA to want to help all americans out with something like healthcare. How dare he ? Now if was giving more to the rich I guess you repubiclican loving idiots would be all for that ?

The middle class is suffering and putting the big business help the rich party in power anywhere is a big mistake. The only good that will come is now the repubs who have no answers except to stop anything from happening will be front and center for all to see.

Jetmeck
11-03-2010, 07:44 AM
Hopefully.

CLUELESS.

tHINGS ARE GREAT AND WERE GREAT UNDER bUSH SO LETS DO NOTHING AND SPENDING MONEY ON THE RIGHT THINGS VERSUS WHERE NUMB NUTZ SPENT IT IS A GOOD THING.

bronclvr
11-03-2010, 07:46 AM
Yup, these dopes actually think that because these candidates got linked to the "tea party" that they are going to full bore push the "tea party" agenda. Dream on. Most of these people linked themselves to the tea party because they knew the populist/outsider image was a winning hand in this election. This is about getting elected, not about actually governing. Do these rubes no nothing about politics? It's going to be hilarious to watch people like Skillet squirm and backpedal when these people he's gloating about getting elected actually have to start making some difficult decisions. It's time to start calling the GOP's and the tea party's bluff.


I think the American people spoke last night out of frustration within their own lives, and not necessarily against the Democratic Party. There are a lot of unemployed people/foreclosed HomeOwners out there looking for a scapegoat, they believe that what we had wasn't working and that maybe a change would help-when you are in pain you will try most anything to aleviate it.

For me personally, I wanted some checks and balances on Oblamo, and I got them-am I satisfied? No. We still have to find a way to work ourselves out of this mess, to find ways to work together, and a divided Government is not the fastest way to accomplish that. At least we won't have more failed programs like Obamacare and the way he has handled the Immigration issue-to me, that's not a Democrat/Republican thing, it's a personal agenda that I cannot/will not support, however we have to come up with a Health Care System that works, and I don't care if Howdy Doody introduces it.

There are so many Democratic/Republican beliefs/agendas that I just can't be a part of, however I have to believe that we can find a way to some middle ground-without that belief we are adrift in a sea of special interests-

Old Dude
11-03-2010, 08:31 AM
One last tidbit. Apparently things are looking quite good for Bennett in the Colorado senate race. Most of the highly republican districts are fully reported. As I head to bed there are apparently 80k-100k votes yet to be reported, with a big chunk of those in Denver/Boulder where Bennett is way ahead.

It'll be interesting to see if that holds through the rest of the night.

This is going to be a pretty close race.

This morning, the Post ran a breakdown of the vote as it stood at 11:19 pm last night. At that time, Buck was ahead by roughly 6,000 votes with about 70% of the precincts reporting. The average Colorado precinct brings in about 500 votes.

At that time, El Paso County only had 15 precincts left to report. Rural counties, where the GOP is also does traditionally well, had about 70 unreported precincts.

On the other hand, Boulder County had about 70 unreported precincts all by itself, Adams had about 50, and Denver, the most Democratic leaning county, still had 190 unreported - more than twice the remaining Republican strongholds all put together.

However, the biggest unknown factor was Arapahoe County, which often leans slightly Republican, with more than 300 unreported precincts.

As of 5 am this morning, 88% had reported but I don't know the breakdown. Bennet had pulled into a 7,000 vote lead.

Even after all of this is done, there are the military and provisional ballots to count, and word has it that they could be considerable.

So it is still a toss-up, but Bennet seems to have the edge at the moment.

Smiling Assassin27
11-03-2010, 08:39 AM
What happened last night couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch. Watching the likes of condescending pr!cks like Grayson, Oberstar, Teague, Etheridge, and many, many others who ignored their contituencies go down like shot dog after shot dog was a pleasure. Smug arrogance and elitist/entitlement mentality is what brought on last night's arse kicking. It will happen again. I wish I could say this was a happy night but I gotta agree with Boehner--the circumstance which brought it about was not happy, it was a total indictment of our system. I expect nothing but focus on the mission at hand from these new guys and gals. No posturing, no rhetoric, no selling of souls to get more money for their state, and no more votes when you haven't read the bill. Will we get it? I'm not holding my breath, but like most Americans who voted, ANYTHING is better than what we have had since 06 in Congress and since January 09 in the White House.


p.s. I agree with Michelle Malkin that it's not time to play nicely and compromise. It's time to repeal, cut, and GOVERN.

UberBroncoMan
11-03-2010, 08:41 AM
Classy. By the way, for everyone who calls us a "liberal state" pretty much every proposition we had on the ballot went the way of the right.

Propositions don't change what the people elected to power do.

Rohirrim
11-03-2010, 08:50 AM
I think the American people spoke last night out of frustration within their own lives, and not necessarily against the Democratic Party. There are a lot of unemployed people/foreclosed HomeOwners out there looking for a scapegoat, they believe that what we had wasn't working and that maybe a change would help-when you are in pain you will try most anything to aleviate it.

For me personally, I wanted some checks and balances on Oblamo, and I got them-am I satisfied? No. We still have to find a way to work ourselves out of this mess, to find ways to work together, and a divided Government is not the fastest way to accomplish that. At least we won't have more failed programs like Obamacare and the way he has handled the Immigration issue-to me, that's not a Democrat/Republican thing, it's a personal agenda that I cannot/will not support, however we have to come up with a Health Care System that works, and I don't care if Howdy Doody introduces it.

There are so many Democratic/Republican beliefs/agendas that I just can't be a part of, however I have to believe that we can find a way to some middle ground-without that belief we are adrift in a sea of special interests-

As long as we stick with supply side economics, we're ****ed. Republicans are like the kid in the candy store who wants a candy bar, but also wants to keep his dollar. Government costs money. You don't start a trillion dollar war and at the same time, hand out tax windfalls to the wealthy. The Republicans have to start acting like adults. They want us to be the number one nation in the world while supporting policies that do not support and build this nation, but instead, tear it down and funnel its wealth into the pockets of individuals who move our jobs, and their corporate offices, offshore, so they can keep all the wealth to themselves. Great plan. Great countries require great investments. Pirate economics doesn't work. What will it take for us to figure that out?

Mile High Shack
11-03-2010, 08:53 AM
As long as we stick with supply side economics, we're ****ed. Republicans are like the kid in the candy store who wants a candy bar, but also wants to keep his dollar. Government costs money. You don't start a trillion dollar war and at the same time, hand out tax windfalls to the wealthy. The Republicans have to start acting like adults. They want us to be the number one nation in the world while supporting policies that do not support and build this nation, but instead, tear it down and funnel its wealth into the pockets of individuals who move our jobs, and their corporate offices, offshore, so they can keep all the wealth to themselves. Great plan. Great countries require great investments. Pirate economics doesn't work. What will it take for us to figure that out?

quoted for truth

Supply side doesn't work, 2 years studying this have proven what I thought to be true (trickle down) doesn't work. I thought Reagan's economic policies were the way to go, they aren't. Supply side has gotten us in this mess, and they are going to try to do the supply side to get us out of this mess.

Rohirrim
11-03-2010, 08:54 AM
What happened last night couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch. Watching the likes of condescending pr!cks like Grayson, Oberstar, Teague, Etheridge, and many, many others who ignored their contituencies go down like shot dog after shot dog was a pleasure. Smug arrogance and elitist/entitlement mentality is what brought on last night's arse kicking. It will happen again. I wish I could say this was a happy night but I gotta agree with Boehner--the circumstance which brought it about was not happy, it was a total indictment of our system. I expect nothing but focus on the mission at hand from these new guys and gals. No posturing, no rhetoric, no selling of souls to get more money for their state, and no more votes when you haven't read the bill. Will we get it? I'm not holding my breath, but like most Americans who voted, ANYTHING is better than what we have had since 06 in Congress and since January 09 in the White House.


p.s. I agree with Michelle Malkin that it's not time to play nicely and compromise. It's time to repeal, cut, and GOVERN.


I agree with one thing you said: It's a total indictment of our system. In other words, an admission that our system is failing. And what is that system? Supply side economics. And what are the Republicans planning on continuing? Supply side economics. In two years, they get the boot too.

Garcia Bronco
11-03-2010, 08:55 AM
CLUELESS.

tHINGS ARE GREAT AND WERE GREAT UNDER bUSH SO LETS DO NOTHING AND SPENDING MONEY ON THE RIGHT THINGS VERSUS WHERE NUMB NUTZ SPENT IT IS A GOOD THING.

Things were economically great under Bush and things are great now. It doesn't suck to live in this country. Go cry some place else.

Old Dude
11-03-2010, 09:05 AM
quoted for truth

Supply side doesn't work, 2 years studying this have proven what I thought to be true (trickle down) doesn't work. I thought Reagan's economic policies were the way to go, they aren't. Supply side has gotten us in this mess, and they are going to try to do the supply side to get us out of this mess.

I agree. Back in the 70s and especially the late 70s, tax rates were sky high. Reasonably well-off people were spending huge amounts of lawyer and accountant money on tax shelters and extremely elaborate tax planning just to avoid all of that. The cuts that came in with Reagan did, in fact, result in a big stimulus to the economy.

If taxes had skyrocketed back up following the Reagan years, then we could go to that well again. But they didn't. So it's only logical that tax cuts have a much reduced impact nowadays. At some point, we do have to pay for government.

Old Dude
11-03-2010, 09:22 AM
Another breakdown on the Buck/Bennet race (from MSNBC)

Here: http://elections.msnbc.msn.com/ns/politics/2010/colorado/senate

With 88% in, Bennet leading at 9 am this morning by 7,550 votes. But this page shows where the remaining votes are. All counties have turned in 100% of their votes except for Boulder, Chaffee, San Miguel and Arapahoe.

Chaffee and San Miguel aren't going to have much of an impact. Only 7% of Chaffee is still outstanding - just a couple hundred votes (and Bennet has a slight lead in the 93% that did report.)

San Miguel has only 17% remaining and Bennet is walloping Buck there so far: 2061 to 762. Again, probably only a couple hundred votes to come.

Boulder still has 28% outstanding, and Bennet is winning there by almost a 3:1 margin. But it depends on which Boulder precincts are left, because a few of them re stronger for the GOP. Gotta think though that this is great news for Bennet.

Again, biggest unknown is Arapahoe County where 89% of the vote is still outstanding. That is pretty huge. In the 11% tallied so far, Bennet has a very slight percentage lead.

TailgateNut
11-03-2010, 09:36 AM
Things were economically great under Bush and things are great now. It doesn't suck to live in this country. Go cry some place else.

You may doubt that that you've wasted a pile of money on your "education", but upon reading each subsequent post submitted by you, you can rest assured that you have!

Beantown Bronco
11-03-2010, 09:37 AM
Again, biggest unknown is Arapahoe County where 89% of the vote is still outstanding. That is pretty huge. In the 11% tallied so far, Bennet has a very slight percentage lead.

89% still outstanding. Seriously?

What the hell are they doing there?

Rigs11
11-03-2010, 09:42 AM
89% still outstanding. Seriously?

What the hell are they doing there?
denver post reporting bennett has won. eat it buck!you homophobic POS.

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_16511547

TonyR
11-03-2010, 09:46 AM
p.s. I agree with Michelle Malkin...

LOL Do yourself a favor and don't make a habit of this.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
11-03-2010, 09:54 AM
What happened last night couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch. Watching the likes of condescending pr!cks like Grayson, Oberstar, Teague, Etheridge, and many, many others who ignored their contituencies go down like shot dog after shot dog was a pleasure. Smug arrogance and elitist/entitlement mentality is what brought on last night's arse kicking. It will happen again. I wish I could say this was a happy night but I gotta agree with Boehner--the circumstance which brought it about was not happy, it was a total indictment of our system. I expect nothing but focus on the mission at hand from these new guys and gals. No posturing, no rhetoric, no selling of souls to get more money for their state, and no more votes when you haven't read the bill. Will we get it? I'm not holding my breath, but like most Americans who voted, ANYTHING is better than what we have had since 06 in Congress and since January 09 in the White House.


p.s. I agree with Michelle Malkin that it's not time to play nicely and compromise. It's time to repeal, cut, and GOVERN.

Then you're a naive moron. What happened the last time your group had power? Are you old enough to remember?

TheElusiveKyleOrton
11-03-2010, 09:54 AM
denver post reporting bennett has won. eat it buck!you homophobic POS.

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_16511547

I wonder when Buckfutter "chose" to be straight.

Garcia Bronco
11-03-2010, 09:54 AM
You may doubt that that you've wasted a pile of money on your "education", but upon reading each subsequent post submitted by you, you can rest assured that you have!

And yet...I am better educated than you.

baja
11-03-2010, 09:55 AM
Just goes to show that it's sooooo easy to pull the chain attached to ignorant people.

That was Adolf's gift.

Garcia Bronco
11-03-2010, 09:56 AM
Another breakdown on the Buck/Bennet race (from MSNBC)

Here: http://elections.msnbc.msn.com/ns/politics/2010/colorado/senate

With 88% in, Bennet leading at 9 am this morning by 7,550 votes. But this page shows where the remaining votes are. All counties have turned in 100% of their votes except for Boulder, Chaffee, San Miguel and Arapahoe.

Chaffee and San Miguel aren't going to have much of an impact. Only 7% of Chaffee is still outstanding - just a couple hundred votes (and Bennet has a slight lead in the 93% that did report.)

San Miguel has only 17% remaining and Bennet is walloping Buck there so far: 2061 to 762. Again, probably only a couple hundred votes to come.

Boulder still has 28% outstanding, and Bennet is winning there by almost a 3:1 margin. But it depends on which Boulder precincts are left, because a few of them re stronger for the GOP. Gotta think though that this is great news for Bennet.

Again, biggest unknown is Arapahoe County where 89% of the vote is still outstanding. That is pretty huge. In the 11% tallied so far, Bennet has a very slight percentage lead.

Arapahoe started using provisional balots last night because they ran out. Why people can't go vote in their district I'll never understand.

Old Dude
11-03-2010, 09:59 AM
89% still outstanding. Seriously?

What the hell are they doing there?

Beats me. I still haven't seen a further breakdown. I know that the Dems took Arapahoe (surprisingly) in both the pres and senate races in 2008 by about 53 to 46, and that early exit polls indicated Bennet was performing in a roughly similar manner to what Udall did there in 08. So maybe the Post is just projecting.

With almost 30,000 votes left in in Boulder, Bennet is likely to take 20,000 of them, which would put him up by 17,000. Assuming there are still 120,000 votes in Arapahoe, Buck would have to win about 56 or 57% of those to draw even.

enjolras
11-03-2010, 10:00 AM
quoted for truth

Supply side doesn't work, 2 years studying this have proven what I thought to be true (trickle down) doesn't work. I thought Reagan's economic policies were the way to go, they aren't. Supply side has gotten us in this mess, and they are going to try to do the supply side to get us out of this mess.

I don't think it's as simple as 'supply side' (although I do somewhat agree).

It's interesting. My wife is an academic, and in particular she's a behavorial researcher in accounting (which heavily overlaps with behavorial economics). She's tried to explain this to me, but I apologize if I get anything slightly wrong:)

There is a long running fight in the academic world over the concept of efficient markets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efficient-market_hypothesis), particularly over the concept of 'strongly efficient markets'. For the better part of the last couple of decades strong-efficiency has been heavily advocated by the top institutions. It's the idea that truly free markets will always reflect all known information about that market.

That may not sound like much, but from there you can extrapolate all sorts of ideas. In particular, the idea that deregulation leads to increased market efficiency. This idea became very popular in the 60's at a number of schools (particularly the Univeristy of Chicago) and an entire generation of students was educated in the concept. That concept took hold in conservative circles and has never really let go. After all, it's an alluring idea. freedom is good and therefore freedom of markets must also be good. We all just want less government in our lives.

The problem? The hypothesis, particularly the strong-market hypothesis, is almost assuredly wrong. Behavorial researchers have clearly demonstrated that markets are not efficient precisely because they don't exist in a vacuum. People do not always act in their own most rewarding self interest. People invest their money with a variety of motivations. At the end of the day markets must be regulated in order to protect them from the irrationality and greed of the people who participate in them. This idea has gained massive popularity in academic circles, and really it's rather intuitive.

The best explanation I've been given is that it's essentially like pickup basketball. In theory, a bunch of guys getting together ought to be able to sort things out on their own. After all, it's not like theres money or a championship on the line. Anyone who has ever played even for 5 minutes knows how foolish that is. Without a referee the game almost inevitably devolves into arguments over imagined fouls. That's a behavorial issue.

So in the end, I think the entire economic ideology espoused by conservatives is rather damaging. Massive deregulation is certainly largely, if not completely to blame for the current economic crisis.

Of course, the Democrats aren't much better. Where conservatives champion a disproven ideology, the Democrats appear to have no real economic theory to hold onto whatsoever. While Obama has championed a more keynsian approach (which I 100% support), the children in Congress have championed what can best be called 'pork-barell economics'. They seem to think that if you spend a metric boat-load of money in their districts that the economy will somehow improve. It's absurd. The stimulus bill (a VERY good idea) was parceled out into thousands of projects, most of which we're low impact. Obama proposed massive infrastructure spending, and he got it. Except that much of it is headed to places that don't really need it to do projects that don't really need to be done.

In short, I think the Democrats failed yesterday because they are a rather unprincipled bunch. They where swept into power largely because the Republicans had so thoroughly mucked things up. For two years the Democrats have shown remarkably little backbone, which isn't surprising because it's so unclear as to what they actually believe in. I'm intrigued by the tea-party movement, not because I agree with anything they espouse (they amplify much of the worst of the Republican platform), but because they at least have a clear expectation for their candidates.

Hopefully all of this comes together into a government that can do what needs to be done. Smarter regulation of our markets (particularly financial and energy), coupled with budget cuts that actually make sense (do we need to worlds highest prison population? Do we need the worlds largest military?)...

Beantown Bronco
11-03-2010, 10:09 AM
denver post reporting bennett has won. eat it buck!you homophobic POS.

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_16511547

The post? Did they happen to say anything about Shawne Merriman?

Mile High Shack
11-03-2010, 10:13 AM
I agree with most of what you said enjolras and that is why I started to run away from supply side economics.

This right here "The problem? The hypothesis, particularly the strong-market hypothesis, is almost assuredly wrong. Behavorial researchers have clearly demonstrated that markets are not efficient precisely because they don't exist in a vacuum. People do not always act in their own most rewarding self interest. People invest their money with a variety of motivations. At the end of the day markets must be regulated in order to protect them from the irrationality and greed of the people who participate in them. This idea has gained massive popularity in academic circles, and really it's rather intuitive."
is awesome....ppl don't act in other people's best interest, only their own...perfect.

Perfect how you put it in the pickup bball analogy, that was spot on.

TailgateNut
11-03-2010, 10:13 AM
And yet...I am better educated than you.

That remains to be seen. My degree from Emmbry Riddle may not have "the clout" an "Okie dokie hokie" degree carries, but paying attention to facts trumps your ignorance.




"Nothing in the world can take the place of Persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan 'Press On' has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race."
Calvin Coolidge

SonOfLe-loLang
11-03-2010, 10:13 AM
What happened last night couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch. Watching the likes of condescending pr!cks like Grayson, Oberstar, Teague, Etheridge, and many, many others who ignored their contituencies go down like shot dog after shot dog was a pleasure. Smug arrogance and elitist/entitlement mentality is what brought on last night's arse kicking. It will happen again. I wish I could say this was a happy night but I gotta agree with Boehner--the circumstance which brought it about was not happy, it was a total indictment of our system. I expect nothing but focus on the mission at hand from these new guys and gals. No posturing, no rhetoric, no selling of souls to get more money for their state, and no more votes when you haven't read the bill. Will we get it? I'm not holding my breath, but like most Americans who voted, ANYTHING is better than what we have had since 06 in Congress and since January 09 in the White House.


p.s. I agree with Michelle Malkin that it's not time to play nicely and compromise. It's time to repeal, cut, and GOVERN.

Oh please. First off, most of the republican base (poor southern white folk) continue to vote against their interests in the name of race (since the 60's) and general ignorance.) For some reason, this country has stockholm syndrome when it comes to the rich and dont seem to mind republican cozying to Wall Street, etc. But that even said, the Obama administration has been so kind to private industry and basically has saved your precious capitalism. Look no further than how well the banks are doing and how the stock market has done since he took office. Yes, unemployment is down, but the big guys up top are doing juuuuuuusssssst fine. Another win for supply side/trickle down...it works so well! Please.

I dont know what the **** you think John Boehner will do (that orange skinned asshole) or what "country we need to take back," but to me, this rash of anger has to do with two things: bitterness and race. There's a reason the tea party is just a bunch of angry old white people who claim to care about the deficit, but really don't. In fact, there was only one republican president in recent memory that actually took measures against the deficit (George HW) and republicans hate him. Simply put, Mitch McConnell showed his hand. Republicans have no interest in helping the country, all they want is Obama out of office so they can continue their retarded agenda. They've provided no solutions, they shown no willingness to even help. All they want to do is say no and show you who is to blame. And, yes, they do this very effectively. All they want to do is be "right." Obama could write a bill for more sunny days and rainbows and republicans will be lockstep against it. Want a huge waste of time, try attempting to repeal healthcare. Is the bill perfect, far from it. No bill is when its first implemented. MAKE IT BETTER. Dont even try to repeal it...it'd be a huge waste of time.

You know when I'll start listening to a tea partier? When you start burning your medicare cards. But hmmm, they don't seem to want to do that because their entitled...its just those brown people who arent.

At least Sharron Angle didn't win. I'd hate to have to listen to her crazy bull**** for the next 6 years. I suppose I'll have to hear Rand Pauls though.

TailgateNut
11-03-2010, 10:14 AM
Arapahoe started using provisional balots last night because they ran out. Why people can't go vote in their district I'll never understand.

Ask Spdirty! :wiggle:

TonyR
11-03-2010, 10:15 AM
Rand Paul Wins: What Does It Mean?
By Josh Harkinson and Nick Baumann
| Tue Nov. 2, 2010 4:05 PM PDT

Tea party Republican candidate Rand Paul has won the Kentucky US Senate race. Throughout the campaign, Democrat Jack Conway occasionally seemed to come almost within striking distance, but ultimately Conway, the state attorney general, was unable to overcome a bad year for Democrats in an increasingly red state. The real nail-biter now is how politically extreme Paul will be once he's in the Senate.

Even at the end of this obsessively watched campaign, it remains unclear how Paul would legislate—or anti-legislate. Is he a libertarian with tea party tendencies, or a tea partier with libertarian impulses? It's hard to know, because Paul won this race virtually without talking to media. One of us went to Kentucky to try to get someone—anyone—on the Paul campaign to discuss Paul's positions on various issues and policies. We didn't have much luck.

If the hardcore libertarians who support Rand Paul get their way, he'll act much like his father, Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas), who is known as "Dr. No" for his practice of voting down almost every spending and tax bill to cross his desk. Ron Paul has referred with pride to the fact that he's often on the short end of 434-to-1 votes in the House. But when a House member casts a lone nay vote, it doesn't gain him much except credit with his followers. In the Senate, a single opposition vote—expressed via a hold, a filibuster, or some other parliamentary maneuver—can block legislation and bring the chamber to a standstill. Look at how Sen. Jim Bunning (R-Ky.), whose vacated seat Rand Paul is filling, held up unemployment benefits for millions earlier this year all on his own. In the Senate, Paul—or other incoming tea partiers—could do that again and again, freezing both legislation and appointments. If Rand becomes the "Son of Dr. No" in the Senate, that would further gum up the already dysfunctional chamber and ensure even greater gridlock in Washington.

There is another thing to watch for. If Paul votes in libertarian style like his father on some issues—such as drug policy and the war on terror—he could face the wrath of the tea party conservatives who've embraced him. And that's not all. He must also please the regular, moderate Republicans in Kentucky who backed him because they couldn't bring themselves to support Conway. These folks aren't exactly small-government purists. They want fiscal discipline but also some bacon for the state.

It may not be be easy to be Rand Paul. And maybe that's why it's fitting that he's named Rand. Like Ayn Rand's John Galt character, he could prove too rigid to operate in an ideologically mushy world. But even if he finds it tough to get his bearings in the Senate, Paul is unlikely to follow Galt's lead and move to an isolated mountain valley and invent a perpetual motion machine.

http://motherjones.com/mojo/2010/11/rand-paul-wins-what-does-it-mean?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Motherjones%2Fmojoblog+%28Mot herJones.com+|+MoJoBlog%29

Garcia Bronco
11-03-2010, 10:16 AM
That remains to be seen. My degree from Emmbry Riddle may not have "the clout" an "Okie dokie hokie" degree carries, but paying attention to facts trumps your ignorance.




"Nothing in the world can take the place of Persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan 'Press On' has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race."
Calvin Coolidge

Has nothing to do with the school. I am sure Emmbry Riddle is a fine school.

I have that Coolidge quote on my wall. More so than being educated; you and I are capable. Capable people, as you can tell from all the whining and bitching here are a rarity.

Mile High Shack
11-03-2010, 10:20 AM
Rand Paul Wins: What Does It Mean?
By Josh Harkinson and Nick Baumann
| Tue Nov. 2, 2010 4:05 PM PDT

Tea party Republican candidate Rand Paul has won the Kentucky US Senate race. Throughout the campaign, Democrat Jack Conway occasionally seemed to come almost within striking distance, but ultimately Conway, the state attorney general, was unable to overcome a bad year for Democrats in an increasingly red state. The real nail-biter now is how politically extreme Paul will be once he's in the Senate.

Even at the end of this obsessively watched campaign, it remains unclear how Paul would legislate—or anti-legislate. Is he a libertarian with tea party tendencies, or a tea partier with libertarian impulses? It's hard to know, because Paul won this race virtually without talking to media. One of us went to Kentucky to try to get someone—anyone—on the Paul campaign to discuss Paul's positions on various issues and policies. We didn't have much luck.

If the hardcore libertarians who support Rand Paul get their way, he'll act much like his father, Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas), who is known as "Dr. No" for his practice of voting down almost every spending and tax bill to cross his desk. Ron Paul has referred with pride to the fact that he's often on the short end of 434-to-1 votes in the House. But when a House member casts a lone nay vote, it doesn't gain him much except credit with his followers. In the Senate, a single opposition vote—expressed via a hold, a filibuster, or some other parliamentary maneuver—can block legislation and bring the chamber to a standstill. Look at how Sen. Jim Bunning (R-Ky.), whose vacated seat Rand Paul is filling, held up unemployment benefits for millions earlier this year all on his own. In the Senate, Paul—or other incoming tea partiers—could do that again and again, freezing both legislation and appointments. If Rand becomes the "Son of Dr. No" in the Senate, that would further gum up the already dysfunctional chamber and ensure even greater gridlock in Washington.

There is another thing to watch for. If Paul votes in libertarian style like his father on some issues—such as drug policy and the war on terror—he could face the wrath of the tea party conservatives who've embraced him. And that's not all. He must also please the regular, moderate Republicans in Kentucky who backed him because they couldn't bring themselves to support Conway. These folks aren't exactly small-government purists. They want fiscal discipline but also some bacon for the state.

It may not be be easy to be Rand Paul. And maybe that's why it's fitting that he's named Rand. Like Ayn Rand's John Galt character, he could prove too rigid to operate in an ideologically mushy world. But even if he finds it tough to get his bearings in the Senate, Paul is unlikely to follow Galt's lead and move to an isolated mountain valley and invent a perpetual motion machine.

http://motherjones.com/mojo/2010/11/rand-paul-wins-what-does-it-mean?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Motherjones%2Fmojoblog+%28Mot herJones.com+|+MoJoBlog%29

Rand Paul sold his libertarian soul to the GOP to get this nomination, we'll see what he does

SonOfLe-loLang
11-03-2010, 10:21 AM
Rand Paul sold his libertarian sole to the GOP to get this nomination, we'll see what he does

My prediction...he'll do nothing because he's a bit of a crackpot.

Old Dude
11-03-2010, 10:24 AM
AP now purportedly calling Colorado Senate race for Bennet, but I can't find link.

With 89% in, ABC News now has Bennet ahead by 15,000 votes.

http://abcnews.go.com/politics

TonyR
11-03-2010, 10:27 AM
...there was only one republican president in recent memory that actually took measures against the deficit (George HW) and republicans hate him. Simply put, Mitch McConnell showed his hand. Republicans have no interest in helping the country, all they want is Obama out of office so they can continue their retarded agenda. They've provided no solutions, they shown no willingness to even help. All they want to do is say no and show you who is to blame. And, yes, they do this very effectively.

Good post, particularly like this part.

Rohirrim
11-03-2010, 10:28 AM
I agree with most of what you said enjolras and that is why I started to run away from supply side economics.

This right here "The problem? The hypothesis, particularly the strong-market hypothesis, is almost assuredly wrong. Behavorial researchers have clearly demonstrated that markets are not efficient precisely because they don't exist in a vacuum. People do not always act in their own most rewarding self interest. People invest their money with a variety of motivations. At the end of the day markets must be regulated in order to protect them from the irrationality and greed of the people who participate in them. This idea has gained massive popularity in academic circles, and really it's rather intuitive."
is awesome....ppl don't act in other people's best interest, only their own...perfect.

Perfect how you put it in the pickup bball analogy, that was spot on.

I agree with enjolras as well. In one feature, the Tea Party is right. We need to return to the Constitution. Well, the preamble of the Constitution outlines the basic purpose of the document. Included in that first sentence is the line "promote the general welfare." That makes supply side economics unconstitutional, because thirty years of evidence has proven without a shadow of a doubt that it is a system that only promotes the welfare of a small segment of society, while harming the rest. Any philosophy that supports tax cuts to corporations as a reward for shipping jobs and manufacturing to other countries is a form of economic national suicide.

baja
11-03-2010, 10:30 AM
quoted for truth

Supply side doesn't work, 2 years studying this have proven what I thought to be true (trickle down) doesn't work. I thought Reagan's economic policies were the way to go, they aren't. Supply side has gotten us in this mess, and they are going to try to do the supply side to get us out of this mess.

Reagan is the reason I moved to Mexico. I traded big corruption for small corruption.

Rohirrim
11-03-2010, 10:31 AM
Rand Paul sold his libertarian soul to the GOP to get this nomination, we'll see what he does

Lawrence O'Donnell brought up the scenario last night that Rand might be such a fundamentalist that if he sticks to his fiscal ideological dogma, he could single-handedly filibuster the raising of the debt ceiling and bring down the world's economy. A little extreme, but an interesting take.

Mile High Shack
11-03-2010, 10:32 AM
I agree with enjolras as well. In one feature, the Tea Party is right. We need to return to the Constitution. Well, the preamble of the Constitution outlines the basic purpose of the document. Included in that first sentence is the line "promote the general welfare." That makes supply side economics unconstitutional, because thirty years of evidence has proven without a shadow of a doubt that it is a system that only promotes the welfare of a small segment of society, while harming the rest. Any philosophy that supports tax cuts to corporations as a reward for shipping jobs and manufacturing to other countries is a form of economic national suicide.

I never thought I'd agree with you.....but I do..lol:thumbs:

Old Dude
11-03-2010, 10:33 AM
AP now purportedly calling Colorado Senate race for Bennet, but I can't find link.

With 89% in, ABC News now has Bennet ahead by 15,000 votes.

http://abcnews.go.com/politics

MSNBC shows that the 8,000 vote gain came almost entirely from Boulder, which still has 15% out. Bennet is killing Buck there, which is no surprise.

But still no more than 11% reported from Arapahoe????

http://elections.msnbc.msn.com/ns/politics/2010/colorado/senate

Garcia Bronco
11-03-2010, 10:34 AM
There is no direct power to do anything in the preamble. The power to do things resides in the rest of the document.

Garcia Bronco
11-03-2010, 10:35 AM
MSNBC shows that the 8,000 vote gain came almost entirely from Boulder, which still has 15% out. Bennet is killing Buck there, which is no surprise.

But still no more than 11% reported from Arapahoe????

http://elections.msnbc.msn.com/ns/politics/2010/colorado/senate

It'll go to court.

Old Dude
11-03-2010, 10:38 AM
It'll go to court.


If it's really a "provisional ballot" issue, those usually favor Dems, because Republicans don't tend to misplace their mail in ballots nearly as much.

I have to think it's more than just that - most likely computer glitches and understaffing.

Rohirrim
11-03-2010, 10:40 AM
There is no direct power to do anything in the preamble. The power to do things resides in the rest of the document.

Ha! Now you're arguing against the concept of "promote the general welfare." You're a real prize. Ha!

Here's what the preamble is - It's a paragraph giving the guiding principles of the document to follow. So your argument is that we can go ahead and ignore the guiding principles if we can find a loophole in the text? :rofl:

epicSocialism4tw
11-03-2010, 10:40 AM
I dont want to get too much into today's results, they are what i expected and i assume not much will happen in the next 2 years.

But John Boehner is an orange a-hole.

How do you know he's an a-hole if you dont even know his name?

Rohirrim
11-03-2010, 10:42 AM
There's a new sheriff in town...

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_NUZ_fM-TQKQ/TAcxgpEHcoI/AAAAAAAARK8/guOt4qsf32Q/s400/Boehner_tutu.jpg

epicSocialism4tw
11-03-2010, 10:46 AM
Oh please. First off, most of the republican base (poor southern white folk) continue to vote against their interests in the name of race (since the 60's) and general ignorance.) For some reason, this country has stockholm syndrome when it comes to the rich and dont seem to mind republican cozying to Wall Street, etc. But that even said, the Obama administration has been so kind to private industry and basically has saved your precious capitalism. Look no further than how well the banks are doing and how the stock market has done since he took office. Yes, unemployment is down, but the big guys up top are doing juuuuuuusssssst fine. Another win for supply side/trickle down...it works so well! Please.

I dont know what the **** you think John Boehner will do (that orange skinned a-hole) or what "country we need to take back," but to me, this rash of anger has to do with two things: bitterness and race. There's a reason the tea party is just a bunch of angry old white people who claim to care about the deficit, but really don't. In fact, there was only one republican president in recent memory that actually took measures against the deficit (George HW) and republicans hate him. Simply put, Mitch McConnell showed his hand. Republicans have no interest in helping the country, all they want is Obama out of office so they can continue their retarded agenda. They've provided no solutions, they shown no willingness to even help. All they want to do is say no and show you who is to blame. And, yes, they do this very effectively. All they want to do is be "right." Obama could write a bill for more sunny days and rainbows and republicans will be lockstep against it. Want a huge waste of time, try attempting to repeal healthcare. Is the bill perfect, far from it. No bill is when its first implemented. MAKE IT BETTER. Dont even try to repeal it...it'd be a huge waste of time.

You know when I'll start listening to a tea partier? When you start burning your medicare cards. But hmmm, they don't seem to want to do that because their entitled...its just those brown people who arent.

At least Sharron Angle didn't win. I'd hate to have to listen to her crazy bull**** for the next 6 years. I suppose I'll have to hear Rand Pauls though.

Thanks for the racist, bigot perspective there champ.

Obushma
11-03-2010, 10:54 AM
There is another thing to watch for. If Paul votes in libertarian style like his father on some issues—such as drug policy and the war on terror—he could face the wrath of the tea party conservatives who've embraced him. And that's not all. He must also please the regular, moderate Republicans in Kentucky who backed him because they couldn't bring themselves to support Conway. These folks aren't exactly small-government purists. They want fiscal discipline but also some bacon for the state.


http://motherjones.com/mojo/2010/11/rand-paul-wins-what-does-it-mean?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Motherjones%2Fmojoblog+%28Mot herJones.com+|+MoJoBlog%29

This article makes no sense. Rand Paul's campaign was started from grassroots support, by the same grassroots movement that supported his father. In fact, Rove and Cheney supported Trey Greyson, not Rand Paul, so why wouldn't Rand cater to the Libertarian grassroots movement that got him where he is? The drug policy is bull****, the war on terror is bull****, and the people who gave him the most support understand this. The hawk Republicans in Kentucky who supported him because they couldn't bring themselves to voting for Conway are part of the problem, he should care less what they want.

SonOfLe-loLang
11-03-2010, 10:54 AM
Thanks for the racist, bigot perspective there champ.

Open your eyes and take a history lesson. You'll notice the deep shift in republican'democratic relations happened around the time of civil rights when Nixon exploited the fact that blacks would be admitted to white hospitals. But its cool, keep your head in the sand

TonyR
11-03-2010, 10:54 AM
Thanks for the racist, bigot perspective there champ.

Please point out the racism and bigotry. Thanks.

Rohirrim
11-03-2010, 10:55 AM
Looks like Bennet wins in Colorado, at least a few of the news sites are calling it.

TonyR
11-03-2010, 11:00 AM
This article makes no sense.

It makes no sense to you because you're naive. Let me ask you a question: what do you think happens to Rand Paul's political career if he angers both the party machine and the voters?

Obushma
11-03-2010, 11:08 AM
It makes no sense to you because you're naive. Let me ask you a question: what do you think happens to Rand Paul's political career if he angers both the party machine and the voters?

He shouldn't care, he isn't a career politician. His goal should be to push as much libertarian philosophy in the Senate, in the state of Kentucky, and in the GOP durring his time as a Senator. We've infiltrated the GOP :rofl:

Garcia Bronco
11-03-2010, 11:09 AM
Ha! Now you're arguing against the concept of "promote the general welfare." You're a real prize. Ha!

Here's what the preamble is - It's a paragraph giving the guiding principles of the document to follow. So your argument is that we can go ahead and ignore the guiding principles if we can find a loophole in the text? :rofl:

What powers are delegated in the preamble? None.

"General welfare" can mean literally anything.

Garcia Bronco
11-03-2010, 11:15 AM
If it's really a "provisional ballot" issue, those usually favor Dems, because Republicans don't tend to misplace their mail in ballots nearly as much.

I have to think it's more than just that - most likely computer glitches and understaffing.

The judge ordered that provisonal be used last night and they were using a copier to make more. Every one of them can be challenged in court.

Rohirrim
11-03-2010, 11:15 AM
What powers are delegated in the preamble? None.

"General welfare" can mean literally anything.

So, your argument is that the Founders were trying to be obscure? No, it doesn't "mean anything." It's a very simple concept that goes back millennia - to the days of Plato. It means what is the best for the most. If you have a king, it's what is best for the few. This is simple **** to grasp. Really.

Garcia Bronco
11-03-2010, 11:18 AM
So, your argument is that the Founders were trying to be obscure? No, it doesn't "mean anything." It's a very simple concept that goes back millenia. It means what is the best for the most. If you have a king, it's what is best for the few. This is simple **** to grasp. Really.

The "best for the most" can literally mean anything. This was not the intent in the setup of our government. There is no direct power granted in the preamble to promote the general welfare. However, congress is granted the ability to tax for the general welfare in article 1. It's simple logic.

Obushma
11-03-2010, 11:20 AM
So, your argument is that the Founders were trying to be obscure? No, it doesn't "mean anything." It's a very simple concept that goes back millennia - to the days of Plato. It means what is the best for the most. If you have a king, it's what is best for the few. This is simple **** to grasp. Really.

Collectivism vs Individualism

The 100 Years War: Collectivism vs Individualism (http://www.campaignforliberty.com/article.php?view=795)

driver
11-03-2010, 11:23 AM
Sorry for the misunderstanding. I'm a believer in Keynesian economics and judging by what happened in Japan, the economy needs a cash infusion to get **** going again (not more tax cuts, but investment!) Our inflation rate is so friggin low that we're in virtual zero danger of inflation effecting us. Its not the 1970's anymore. To create jobs we're gonna need to spend. Plain and simple.

OOOHHH LORD. John Maynard Keynes was a Myopic old drunken MARXIST who saw the the economic world through the filter of the pages of DAS KAPITAL, GET REAL!

epicSocialism4tw
11-03-2010, 11:28 AM
Please point out the racism and bigotry. Thanks.

I wouldnt expect you to be able to read between the lines, but I'm not going to spelll it out for you like a four year old...as you obviously need.

SonOfLe-loLang
11-03-2010, 11:35 AM
OOOHHH LORD. John Maynard Keynes was a Myopic old drunken MARXIST who saw the the economic world through the filter of the pages of DAS KAPITAL, GET REAL!

Yeah, because government spending has never worked in the history of American Politics (see World War 2...ie the biggest stimulus ever...ie the thing that brought us out of the depression). Yeah, a real crackpot that Keynes is

TonyR
11-03-2010, 11:37 AM
I wouldnt expect you to be able to read between the lines, but I'm not going to spelll it out for you like a four year old...as you obviously need.

"Poor southern white folks"? Is that the part that bothers you? Perhaps because it hits too close to home? And even if you disagree with that it was only a small part of the post.

Old Dude
11-03-2010, 11:38 AM
The judge ordered that provisonal be used last night and they were using a copier to make more. Every one of them can be challenged in court.

As I understand it, the problem is this. People were sent ballots. Some of them filled out their ballots, but then - before they mailed them in - realized that they goofed. So they took them into the polling place to exchange their defective/mistaken ones for new ballots. The election people ran out of replacement ballots, so they were ordered to make more.

Historically, most of these sorts of provisional ballots tend toward the Dems. That's why the Dems got a court order getting the county to make more replacement ballots. So, in a sense, it's already been to court.

Now for the whole mystery with Arapahoe County.

According to the County website they supposedly have around 350,000 registered voters: 121,000 Dems, 113,000 for the GOP, and 112,000 unaffiliated. Roughly 347,000 overall. Of course, not all of these people are going to vote, especially in an off-year election.

But 11% of 347,000 is about 38,000 people. And at least a couple of sources say that only 11% of their precincts have reported.

But if you look at the actual votes, here, for example:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/election-results-2010/

... you see that Arapahoe County shows roughly 79,000 for Bennet, 73,500 for Buck and another 8,000 for various third party candidates. That adds up to 160,500, which is almost half of the registered voters in that county. It's certainly several times more than the 38,000 who supposedly would make up 11%.

Could be that the precinct sizes vary greatly there, and that the 11% that has reported are the biggest ones. I don't know how else to square those numbers. But clearly, far more than 11% of Arapahoe's eligible voters have been tallied. - And Bennet is winning 49-46 among them. It doesn't seem like there is any way Buck could take 56% of that county now unless there is a gigantic swing.

Obushma
11-03-2010, 11:46 AM
Lawrence O'Donnell brought up the scenario last night that Rand might be such a fundamentalist that if he sticks to his fiscal ideological dogma, he could single-handedly filibuster the raising of the debt ceiling and bring down the world's economy. A little extreme, but an interesting take.

This is probably the biggest news out of this election, Ron Paul will now chair a monetary policy subcommittee.
United States House Financial Services Subcommittee on Domestic Monetary Policy and Technology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_Financial_Services_Subcommitte e_on_Domestic_Monetary_Policy_and_Technology)


After the Republican victory things will change. The Fed will be hamstrung, as Ron Paul, a conservative standard-bearer and harsh critic of the Fed, will head the sub-committee overseeing its actions. Liquidity expansion or new programs will probably drop sharply under his watch. Paul would argue that the Fed’s unfettered ability to “debase” the currency is about to come to an end. The leading indicators call for a US recession next year – and Bernanke is acting as though he believes this – but with the Republican dominance, fiscal and monetary support will not be quickly supplied, which implies a stronger dollar.
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/john-taylor-november-will-see-flash-point-begins-markets-reversal

Rohirrim
11-03-2010, 11:52 AM
OOOHHH LORD. John Maynard Keynes was a Myopic old drunken MARXIST who saw the the economic world through the filter of the pages of DAS KAPITAL, GET REAL!

Ha! The level of miseducation going on is phenomenal. Keynes was an avowed capitalist and a master of the currency markets, where he probably could make more before breakfast than you earn in a year. In fact, there are some economists who argue that Keynes saved capitalism with his ideas.

Marxist. :rofl:

Old Dude
11-03-2010, 11:54 AM
LOL I think that's the first time I've ever heard Keynes described as a Marxist.

SonOfLe-loLang
11-03-2010, 11:58 AM
LOL I think that's the first time I've ever heard Keynes described as a Marxist.

DEF not a marxist....geeeez

Obushma
11-03-2010, 12:07 PM
Keynes was wrong, Hayek was right.

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Crony Capitalism is illegal in a true "free market", and should be punished as such.

Rohirrim
11-03-2010, 12:09 PM
Keynes was wrong, Hayek was right.



And we're living the Hayek dream. Ha!

Kaylore
11-03-2010, 12:11 PM
Not reading this whole thread, but happy with the results. I just hope Republicans don't make the mistake Dem's made and think this means the country "turned Republican." This is about people being pissed and out of work. It suppose it's a referendum against Obama-care, but I don't believe it is a rejection of the legislation so much as anger that money, time and resources were wasted on that when people were out of work.

And Dems don't need to be too sad. They held the Senate and Obama may actually move center enough to regain the faith of the country and raise his approval up from the forties in time for the election. America is pretty moderate and while the rank-and-file Libs want Obama to go Marxist and remake the country, if there's anything this cycle has show it's that the independents are the king-makers and they are a moderate breed. This next two years will determine if Obama is going to be another Clinton or Carter.

Personally, I think Obama won't know how to work it. He's had everything politically handed to him with little to no effort. I question whether he has the nuance to work with a divided congress. The Senate losses are bigger than they seem too because the Dems have a lot more seats up for reelection in '12 than Republicans and they are going to be reluctant to "walk the plank" again on a piece of legislation that will appear too radical.

And I like Hickenlooper, so I'm ok with him as our governor.

enjolras
11-03-2010, 12:12 PM
Could be that the precinct sizes vary greatly there, and that the 11% that has reported are the biggest ones. I don't know how else to square those numbers. But clearly, far more than 11% of Arapahoe's eligible voters have been tallied. - And Bennet is winning 49-46 among them. It doesn't seem like there is any way Buck could take 56% of that county now unless there is a gigantic swing.

As I understand it, all of the mail-in ballots within a county are counted as one precinct (usually the first to report). In this election they're estimating that about 2/3 of all the votes are mail-in. So what your seeing is that roughly 2/3 of the total vote is counted immediately, and we're waiting more or less for the other third.

If that's true then we're expecting 228,693 votes to be cast meaning there are about 76k votes that will be issued at a precinct. If it's an even distribution (it's not, but it's the best I have) then we there are a total of 68k left to be counted in the race.

Currently there is a 15,438 vote gap between the two candidates. In order to pull even Buck would need something in the range of 63% of the remaining votes to all go his way. That seems unlikely.

SonOfLe-loLang
11-03-2010, 12:15 PM
Not reading this whole thread, but happy with the results. I just hope Republicans don't make the mistake Dem's made and think this means the country "turned Republican." This is about people being pissed and out of work. It suppose it's a referendum against Obama-care, but I don't believe it is a rejection of the legislation so much as anger that money, time and resources were wasted on that when people were out of work.

And Dems don't need to be too sad. They held the Senate and Obama may actually move center enough to regain the faith of the country and raise his approval up from the forties in time for the election. America is pretty moderate and while the rank-and-file Libs want Obama to go Marxist and remake the country, if there's anything this cycle has show it's that the independents are the king-makers and they are a moderate breed. This next two years will determine if Obama is going to be another Clinton or Carter.

Personally, I think Obama won't know how to work it. He's had everything politically handed to him with little to no effort. I question whether he has the nuance to work with a divided congress. The Senate losses are bigger than they seem too because the Dems have a lot more seats up for reelection in '12 than Republicans and they are going to be reluctant to "walk the plank" again on a piece of legislation that will appear too radical.

And I like Hickenlooper, so I'm ok with him as our governor.

When will you guys realize he is a centrist. And there's nothing he can do now, republicans will shut down the government. They have zero interest in compromising...mitch mcconnell already said so...and Boehner implied it. Obama has always been willing to compromise, but the right's understanding of compromise is "we get what we want or nothing at all"

Old Dude
11-03-2010, 12:19 PM
As I understand it, all of the mail-in ballots within a county are counted as one precinct (usually the first to report). In this election they're estimating that about 2/3 of all the votes are mail-in. So what your seeing is that roughly 2/3 of the total vote is counted immediately, and we're waiting more or less for the other third.

If that's true then we're expecting 228,693 votes to be cast meaning there are about 76k votes that will be issued at a precinct. If it's an even distribution (it's not, but it's the best I have) then we there are a total of 68k left to be counted in the race.

Currently there is a 15,438 vote gap between the two candidates. In order to pull even Buck would need something in the range of 63% of the remaining votes to all go his way. That seems unlikely.


Okay, that makes sense. Thanks. I've been trying to figure that out all morning.

Looks like it's really over for Buck.

Garcia Bronco
11-03-2010, 12:20 PM
As I understand it, all of the mail-in ballots within a county are counted as one precinct (usually the first to report). In this election they're estimating that about 2/3 of all the votes are mail-in. So what your seeing is that roughly 2/3 of the total vote is counted immediately, and we're waiting more or less for the other third.

If that's true then we're expecting 228,693 votes to be cast meaning there are about 76k votes that will be issued at a precinct. If it's an even distribution (it's not, but it's the best I have) then we there are a total of 68k left to be counted in the race.

Currently there is a 15,438 vote gap between the two candidates. In order to pull even Buck would need something in the range of 63% of the remaining votes to all go his way. That seems unlikely.

I hope it's clear regardless so it doesn't get tied up in court.

ColoradoDarin
11-03-2010, 12:24 PM
Oh please. First off, most of the republican base (poor southern white folk) continue to vote against their interests in the name of race (since the 60's) and general ignorance.) .

Interesting supposition considering SC elected the 2nd Indian American governor (Bobby Jindal another Republican in the south is the other). SC Elected Tim Scott (SC-01) a black Republican. Florida elected the first black female lt governor in state history. Florida also sent Alan West to congress (FL-22), another black Republican. Marco Rubio, son of Cuban exiles, was elected to the Senate (FL yet again, we rock!). Bill Flores, Francisco Canseco both TX Hispanic congressmen now.

Outside the south we have Susana Martinez (R-NM) as the first Latina governor in America and Brian Sandoval (R-NV) is Nevada's first Hispanic governor. Jaime Herrera became the first Latino congressman from Washington state.

Requiem
11-03-2010, 12:30 PM
You're right about a few states.... Mass, Cali and Nevada.Ha!

No, my statement still stands.

We have one of the lowest turnouts for voting for democracies across the world. Our Founding Fathers would be absolutely ashamed of the state of politics today and the lack of knowledge and education shown by our populous regarding it.

We have an apathetic voting base, and generally one who is short-sighted, and votes for instant gratification for own personal gain rather than the greater good. One in every two people chose not to vote in this country, and they give a variety of reasons for doing so. None of which are really compelling, or are votes of confidence for betterment in our electorate.

It is a civic responsibility to take part and vote. That so many people choose to ignore it is really beyond me.

I'm not sure what the cure is for voter apathy, but I feel that education is definitely a huge part of it. The only history or civics related courses that was required for me to graduate high school were U.S. Government as a senior and United States History II (Post-CW to 1960s). Students hated these courses, and many of them didn't take them seriously. We had quite a few members of my class not walk with us because they were unable to pass them.

I expect a lot more out of the system and the people around me, but unfortunately that is not likely to happen. Politics is inherently complex to the point where it can become maddening, but such complexity shouldn't be a reason for people to ignore one of the greatest rights and privileges they have.

At any case, it is just insulting. Too bad it will not change any time soon.

SonOfLe-loLang
11-03-2010, 12:32 PM
Interesting supposition considering SC elected the 2nd Indian American governor (Bobby Jindal another Republican in the south is the other). SC Elected Tim Scott (SC-01) a black Republican. Florida elected the first black female lt governor in state history. Florida also sent Alan West to congress (FL-22), another black Republican. Marco Rubio, son of Cuban exiles, was elected to the Senate (FL yet again, we rock!). Bill Flores, Francisco Canseco both TX Hispanic congressmen now.

Outside the south we have Susana Martinez (R-NM) as the first Latina governor in America and Brian Sandoval (R-NV) is Nevada's first Hispanic governor. Jaime Herrera became the first Latino congressman from Washington state.

Youre really going to sit here and tell me race has nothing to do with party division and the hatred for Obama just because a few minorities were elected here and there? I didnt say ALL southerners were poor white and racist...but the ones who are, well, they are republican. And alot of the obama hate (as seen through the tea party or the birther movement comes from deeply seeded racism. I dont know how this is remotely deniable.

TonyR
11-03-2010, 12:32 PM
I agree with much of your post but two comments...

America is pretty moderate... independents are the king-makers and they are a moderate breed.... .

The notable problem here is that moderates, particularly GOP moderates, have almost all been run out of office.


He's had everything politically handed to him with little to no effort. I question whether he has the nuance to work with a divided congress.

Fair to question how Obama will work with a divided congress but have to disagree with the above. Beating the Clinton machine and then winning the presidential election were certainly no small feats. And I think Obama is a lot more shrewd than many want to give him credit for. It's going to be interesting for sure.

ColoradoDarin
11-03-2010, 12:34 PM
Youre really going to sit here and tell me race has nothing to do with party division and the hatred for Obama just because a few minorities were elected here and there? I didnt say ALL southerners were poor white and racist...but the ones who are, well, they are republican. And alot of the obama hate (as seen through the tea party or the birther movement comes from deeply seeded racism. I dont know how this is remotely deniable.

Way to miss my point.

SonOfLe-loLang
11-03-2010, 12:38 PM
Way to miss my point.

Then, pray tell, what was your point?