Dems Coming Apart at the Seams

[epicSocialism4tw]

Watch these pathetic college activists embarrass the president of the US because despite being the most liberal president in history, it isnt enough for these losers:

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[barryr]

Hilarious! LOL

[cutthemdown]

Political rallies are almost movie like now.

[cutthemdown]

Talked to a lot of calif liberals at a party last night. The one thing a lot of them pissed about is Obama and other dems wavering on the Bush tax cuts. Number one with them seems to be making rich people, or 250 grand plus pay more tax.

But smart Dems now feel that is political poison. There is a chance the extend all the tax cuts after the election and totally fold to the right on this huge issue.

[cutthemdown]

I actually think Obama handled that really well. Can't be easy to speak in front of a lot of angry people.

[SoCalBronco]

Talked to a lot of calif liberals at a party last night. The one thing a lot of them pissed about is Obama and other dems wavering on the Bush tax cuts. Number one with them seems to be making rich people, or 250 grand plus pay more tax.

But smart Dems now feel that is political poison. There is a chance the extend all the tax cuts after the election and totally fold to the right on this huge issue.

If we're going to be committed to cutting spending and being serious fiscal conservatives, the Bush tax cuts have to expire...on EVERYONE. It will cost in the trillions to keep them intact (3.7 trillion over the next ten years). I would not be in favor of them being extended for the poor, middle class or rich. Ordinarily, I don't have any sympathy for the left's "tax cuts for the rich is unfair" argument, because the rich pay the vast majority of the taxes, so when taxes are cut, they should be restored to who paid them, not simply a redistribution of income.

However, in the instant case, its more important that we make headway on the deficit and we absolutely need those trillions over the next decade. Even if we confined the extension of the cuts to people making less than 250k as has been proposed by the administration, there would still be a net loss of 3.0 trillion. That's too much. I'd much rather not add 3.0 trillion to the national debt over time than simply continue with present levels of taxes. I'm willing to pay a little more SO LONG AS we don't spent this revenue. I'd be in favor of legislation putting any savings by the sunsetting of these tax cuts into a special fund that can't be touched but for emergency situations. This is the most important issue, the overall fiscal health, not the short term economic issues. I grant you that the effect of not extending these cuts will hurt the economy, because tax cuts do help stimulate growth, but at this point, I simply value deficit reduction more, given how this country will eventually be destroyed by its excessive spending. I'm willing to accept a double dip so long as we start to cut into the deficit significantly.

The administration's proposal for freezing discretionary spending is a nice start, but more is needed. The Left must sacrifice, too. Our entitlement benefit programs are too generous. I do not believe the analyses which say they are solvent for years and years. The commission has pointed out alot of flaws in that analysis. We need to reduce the mandatory spending on those benefit programs. It's harmful to vulnerable people who need the aid, I get that and I don't relish it, but its necessary. Defense spending also needs to be cut. We've got too much procurement. We don't need thousands of tanks and jets, etc.. Most wars at this point aren't going to be traditional. We're faced with terrorism and non-state actors at this point. The funding needs to be in R&D...we must maintain a qualitative advantage in all forms of defensive and offensive weaponry, not necessarily a quantitative advantage. It's really about sufficiency, not having the most rockets.

This is why I am excited about a GOP house. They aren't going to allow Obama's spending programs to make it out of committee. By contrast, Obama and the Senate aren't going to allow conservatives expansive tax cutting proposals out of Congress. The net result should be lower spending, unless they just scratch each other's back and give the right the tax cuts and the left the programs. That would be horrible. But since the extreme wings of each party seem to hate each other so (and seem unwilling to compromise), I'm counting and hopeing for the former rather than the latter.

[Rohirrim]

If we're going to be committed to cutting spending and being serious fiscal conservatives, the Bush tax cuts have to expire...on EVERYONE. It will cost in the trillions to keep them intact (3.7 trillion over the next ten years). I would not be in favor of them being extended for the poor, middle class or rich. Ordinarily, I don't have any sympathy for the left's "tax cuts for the rich is unfair" argument, because the rich pay the vast majority of the taxes, so when taxes are cut, they should be restored to who paid them, not simply a redistribution of income.

However, in the instant case, its more important that we make headway on the deficit and we absolutely need those trillions over the next decade. Even if we confined the extension of the cuts to people making less than 250k as has been proposed by the administration, there would still be a net loss of 3.0 trillion. That's too much. I'd much rather not add 3.0 trillion to the national debt over time than simply continue with present levels of taxes. I'm willing to pay a little more SO LONG AS we don't spent this revenue. I'd be in favor of legislation putting any savings by the sunsetting of these tax cuts into a special fund that can't be touched but for emergency situations. This is the most important issue, the overall fiscal health, not the short term economic issues. I grant you that the effect of not extending these cuts will hurt the economy, because tax cuts do help stimulate growth, but at this point, I simply value deficit reduction more, given how this country will eventually be destroyed by its excessive spending. I'm willing to accept a double dip so long as we start to cut into the deficit significantly.

The administration's proposal for freezing discretionary spending is a nice start, but more is needed. The Left must sacrifice, too. Our entitlement benefit programs are too generous. I do not believe the analyses which say they are solvent for years and years. The commission has pointed out alot of flaws in that analysis. We need to reduce the mandatory spending on those benefit programs. It's harmful to vulnerable people who need the aid, I get that and I don't relish it, but its necessary. Defense spending also needs to be cut. We've got too much procurement. We don't need thousands of tanks and jets, etc.. Most wars at this point aren't going to be traditional. We're faced with terrorism and non-state actors at this point. The funding needs to be in R&D...we must maintain a qualitative advantage in all forms of defensive and offensive weaponry, not necessarily a quantitative advantage. It's really about sufficiency, not having the most rockets.

This is why I am excited about a GOP house. They aren't going to allow Obama's spending programs to make it out of committee. By contrast, Obama and the Senate aren't going to allow conservatives expansive tax cutting proposals out of Congress. The net result should be lower spending, unless they just scratch each other's back and give the right the tax cuts and the left the programs. That would be horrible. But since the extreme wings of each party seem to hate each other so (and seem unwilling to compromise), I'm counting and hopeing for the former rather than the latter.

Here's the guy who invented Reaganomics.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLN4HFhENic

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Watch these pathetic college activists embarrass the president of the US because despite being the most liberal president in history, it isnt enough for these losers:


Ha ha ha! Ha!

Either you just make this sh*t up as you go along, or you really don't know anything about U.S. history.

[Rohirrim]

Ha ha ha! Ha!

Either you just make this sh*t up as you go along, or you really don't know anything about U.S. history.

He certainly has no idea what liberal means. Actually, the rightard definition for liberal is "All around boogeyman who fits every case when the goal is to scare dummies."

[epicSocialism4tw]

Ha ha ha! Ha!

Either you just make this sh*t up as you go along, or you really don't know anything about U.S. history.

No other US president (maybe Carter) has ever, EVER been an anti-exceptionalist.

No other president has ever piled up as much debt.

Has there ever been another president who has called conservatives his enemies?

[Mile High Shack]

No other US president (maybe Carter) has ever, EVER been an anti-exceptionalist.

No other president has ever piled up as much debt.

Has there ever been another president who has called conservatives his enemies?

you do know, GW2 actually expanded the reach of government more than any other president in the history of the US...right?

Where was your outrage then? Oh, that's right, a black dude wasn't president then, so you were cool with it.

[epicSocialism4tw]

you do know, GW2 actually expanded the reach of government more than any other president in the history of the US...right?

Where was your outrage then? Oh, that's right, a black dude wasn't president then, so you were cool with it.

Wow, here comes the race card! :rofl:

Way to class up the conversation.

[Mile High Shack]

Wow, here comes the race card! :rofl:

Way to class up the conversation.

Then what else is it....where was the outrage for 8 full years of a more liberal president? Why now? What was the breaking point.....other than a dude with color being in charge, because other than that, I don't see why now.

You had 8 years of a president with out of control spending and moving us further into debt than Obama has done in 1 1/2 years. You had 8 years of a president expanding the role of the federal government than Obama has in 1 1/2 years.

If it's not the color of his skin, then what is it, because I didn't see the outrage before this.

[TailgateNut]

Wow, here comes the race card! :rofl:

Way to class up the conversation.

When interacting with you, one has to "class down" to come close to your intellectual level.

...and the race card applies to you probably more than anyone else on this forum

[epicSocialism4tw]

Then what else is it....where was the outrage for 8 full years of a more liberal president? Why now? What was the breaking point.....other than a dude with color being in charge, because other than that, I don't see why now.

Um...what? :rofl:

You had 8 years of a president with out of control spending and moving us further into debt than Obama has done in 1 1/2 years. You had 8 years of a president expanding the role of the federal government than Obama has in 1 1/2 years.

Man, there are so many strange ideas in your post that its hard to know where to begin.

Obama quadrupled the debt.

See the CBO histogram here: http://blog.heritage.org/2010/02/05/past-deficits-vs-obamas-deficits-in-pictures/

If it's not the color of his skin, then what is it, because I didn't see the outrage before this.

You seriously cant see why someone would be opposed to his policies?

You missed the conservative revolution against Bush that added momentum to the Tea Party?

Are you on drugs?

[Mile High Shack]

Sigh....I use to be just like you dude, I was full on trickle down neo-con, but this faux outrage the past 1 1/2 years have turned me off the republican party for a long time.

I don't even like the Democratic party, in fact I hate both parties.

But this faux outrage when a black dude becomes president just makes me laugh

Bush increased the debt from 6.4 trillion to 13.4 trillion in 8 years....where was the outrage then?

[epicSocialism4tw]

Sigh....I use to be just like you dude, I was full on trickle down neo-con, but this faux outrage the past 1 1/2 years have turned me off the republican party for a long time.

I don't even like the Democratic party, in fact I hate both parties.

But this faux outrage when a black dude becomes president just makes me laugh

Bush increased the debt from 6.4 trillion to 13.4 trillion in 8 years....where was the outrage then?

You were never just like me, because I was never a neo con.

The only ways that you are just like me is that we're both homo sapiens and Jesus died for us both. Other than that, it appears that your political bend is broken, and that you have missed the entire point of the new conservative revolution. Its more libertarian than it is anything else. You just dont like it because it isnt cool...because there arent celebrities lining up to get photo ops there. That's your problem.

I think you're just concerned about fitting in. Like a 16-year old, you're following what you think the cool kids are doing.

[Mile High Shack]

You were never just like me, because I was never a neo con.

The only ways that you are just like me is that we're both homo sapiens and Jesus died for us both. Other than that, it appears that your political bend is broken, and that you have missed the entire point of the new conservative revolution. Its more libertarian than it is anything else. You just dont like it because it isnt cool...because there arent celebrities lining up to get photo ops there. That's your problem.

wow, I'm not even sure what you are talking about there. The tea party is FAR from libertarian....if they were libertarian, they wouldn't be so concerned about social issues as well.

Our country is run by big business and big banks, not by any political party and they are going to suck his dry until its over and move on to the next thing.

Goldman Sachs is the devil, most people are too stupid to realize it. They are ruining this country and Bush had them in his cabinet and so does Obama.....it's pretty much game over dude.

There is a reason why the middle class is becoming more of an afterthought since the early 80's...and that is scary. The divide between rich and poor has never been greater in our history. If that doesn't upset you, then I don't know what else to say.

[Rohirrim]

wow, I'm not even sure what you are talking about there. The tea party is FAR from libertarian....if they were libertarian, they wouldn't be so concerned about social issues as well.

Our country is run by big business and big banks, not by any political party and they are going to suck his dry until its over and move on to the next thing.

Goldman Sachs is the devil, most people are too stupid to realize it. They are ruining this country and Bush had them in his cabinet and so does Obama.....it's pretty much game over dude.

There is a reason why the middle class is becoming more of an afterthought since the early 80's...and that is scary. The divide between rich and poor has never been greater in our history. If that doesn't upset you, then I don't know what else to say.

The suckers still believe that the government is the enemy.

Government is the pawn.

[epicSocialism4tw]

wow, I'm not even sure what you are talking about there. The tea party is FAR from libertarian....if they were libertarian, they wouldn't be so concerned about social issues as well.

The only real Tea Party platform is this: return to constitutional law, reduce taxation and reduce govt. spending (size of govt).

That is literally what brought this thing together. It isnt organized enough yet to have an platform of social issues other than the way they effect the bottom line (i.e. taxpayer funded elective abortions).

Goldman Sachs is the devil, most people are too stupid to realize it. They are ruining this country and Bush had them in his cabinet and so does Obama.....it's pretty much game over dude.

Which is why the career politicians need to be thrown out on their butts, which the Tea Party wants to do. The Tea Party have American interests at the fore.

There is a reason why the middle class is becoming more of an afterthought since the early 80's...and that is scary. The divide between rich and poor has never been greater in our history. If that doesn't upset you, then I don't know what else to say.

And Obama has made it greater.

You cant see what they want with you. They want you to take what you're given. They want you to stand in line at some bureaucratic outlet, be huddled and prodded through hallways, and to get what they give you when they deem it fit to give it to you.

And what recourse will you have? With the legal system then tilted toward the federal govt, the citizens will have no justice.

[Mile High Shack]

The suckers still believe that the government is the enemy.

Government is the pawn.

EXACTLY

Government right now is the puppet and we are missing who the puppeteer is.

They know what they are doing and pulling the right strings so average Joe American is blinded by "Nazi's, Socialist, and Mexicans OH MY!" line of scariness.

People don't see the real problem anymore and it makes me sad to know the critical thinking skills of america has gone downhill in the past 20 years.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Watch these pathetic college activists embarrass the president of the US because despite being the most liberal president in history, it isnt enough for these losers:

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Back to the point, these far left loons should be ashamed of themselves for embarrassing the president of the united states like this.

I doubt they will be because the loud Alinsky Zombies that do this type of thing are usually drug addled college dropouts who dont have any sense of self awareness.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Sigh....I use to be just like you dude, I was full on trickle down neo-con, but this faux outrage the past 1 1/2 years have turned me off the republican party for a long time.

I don't even like the Democratic party, in fact I hate both parties.

But this faux outrage when a black dude becomes president just makes me laugh

Bush increased the debt from 6.4 trillion to 13.4 trillion in 8 years....where was the outrage then?

Bingo.

McShillit was singing a completely different tune then..

[epicSocialism4tw]

Bingo.

McShillit was singing a completely different tune then..

Why do your fellow far left moonbats feel the need to insult the president Obama in public like this to the point it makes him look overmatched?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Why do your fellow far left moonbats feel the need to insult the president Obama in public like this to the point it makes him look overmatched?

This is the way you respond to my observation that you were singing a completely different tune with regard to your so-called "values" when Bush was in office?

Talk about a deflection artist.

[epicSocialism4tw]

This is the way you respond to my observation that you were singing a completely different tune with regard to your so-called "values" when Bush was in office?

Talk about a deflection artist.

This thread is about the way that your ridiculous party treats its president.

[TailgateNut]

This is the way you respond to my observation that you were singing a completely different tune with regard to your so-called "values" when Bush was in office?

Talk about a deflection artist.


It's "DEFACATION ARTIST".

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

It's "DEFACATION ARTIST".

Ha!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

This thread is about the way that your ridiculous party treats its president.

Because treating Democratic presidents that way is for hypocrites like you to do.

[TonyR]

...the loud Alinsky Zombies that do this type of thing are usually drug addled college dropouts...

LOL Another old school righty stereotype. What a fool.

[Dudeskey]

you do know, GW2 actually expanded the reach of government more than any other president in the history of the US...right?

Where was your outrage then? Oh, that's right, a black dude wasn't president then, so you were cool with it.

It wouldn't be so bad if the Republicans actually stuck to their principal of "fiscal responsibility" but the fact that they're raising a **** fit over government spending now is like Bob Barr bitching about Clinton getting sucked off by an intern while he's banging one of his aides...™

[epicSocialism4tw]

Because treating Democratic presidents that way is for hypocrites like you to do.

That doesnt even make any sense.

I made a thread that illustrated how the wacko extremist wing of the left will cannibalize their own if their elected leaders do not cowtow to their every wish.

There's more of this coming down the pike. The next couple years are going to be rough for your party as they battle internally over the party platform.

The public will demand them to become more fiscally conservative while the handout PAC's wil want their money. Its going to be ugly.

[TonyR]

That doesnt even make any sense....

I made a thread that illustrated how the wacko extremist wing of the left will cannibalize their own if their elected leaders do not cowtow to their every wish.

Speaking of not making sense...

What should people do when they are unhappy with their elected leaders? Sure these people should have handled themselves better but not everyone is going to be a sheep like you were with Bush. Dissent is far more patriotic than being a lemming like you.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Speaking of not making sense...

What should people do when they are unhappy with their elected leaders? Sure these people should have handled themselves better but not everyone is going to be a sheep like you were with Bush. Dissent is far more patriotic than being a lemming like you.

We have showed the republicans our displeasure by voting them out of office.

Showing up at a rally and chanting and throwing things at Obama or Pelosi is classless and shows the nature of the extreme left PACs. They want to irritate people into doing things for them.

There are other, less juvenile/Alinsky ways of getting things done.

[barryr]

Speaking of not making sense...

What should people do when they are unhappy with their elected leaders? Sure these people should have handled themselves better but not everyone is going to be a sheep like you were with Bush. Dissent is far more patriotic than being a lemming like you.

Except when that dissent comes from nonliberals of course. Then that's not so patriotic.

[Florida_Bronco]

Wow, even the former hard line conservative is kicking the drama llama's ass in this forum now.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Wow, even the former hard line conservative is kicking the drama llama's ass in this forum now.

Tomorrow will be fun.

I'll smile a little inside when I imagine people like you getting frustrated over losing your agenda for good. Dems are panicking and freaking out over this election because they know that their policies are set back for generations. All of that work down the drain. All of that commuinty organizing. All of those astroturf rallies. All of that money wasted. All of your donors (Soros, etc) neutered. The money will go away. The agenda will turn to the right.

You personally have brought nothing, ever, to these discussions other than bitter personal attacks. Which makes it fun that your ideology has failed so miserably.

I'll consider this a two year victory over sniveling whiners like yourself...and it will be fun. Enjoy your defeat.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

That doesnt even make any sense.



You must have missed the gazillion anti-Obama signs wielded by tea party nutjobs.

None of Obama's liberal critics have topped those.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Tomorrow will be fun.

I'll smile a little inside when I imagine people like you getting frustrated over losing your agenda for good.

And I'll chuckle a little when Kool-Aid slurpers like you claim that the election was a referendum on ideology.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Judge sentences Dallas man who threatened Obama

DALLAS - A judge has sentenced a Dallas man to more than two years in federal prison for threatening President Barack Obama.

A statement from the U.S. Attorney's Office in Dallas on Monday says Brian Dean Miller got a 27-month sentence without parole.

He could have received a prison sentence of up to five years in federal prison for pleading guilty to posting a threat to kill the president on the Craigslist website in March 2010. He posted the message "Obama must die" the night Congress passed a health care overhaul bill.

The posting said Miller was following through on a vow to become a terrorist if the bill passed. Authorities were able to track Miller through his e-mail address.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/nation/7274143.html

[TonyR]

If it's not the color of his skin, then what is it, because I didn't see the outrage before this.

Yup, I love the denials that race is at all a factor.

[Obama's] composed, borderline uptight demeanor allayed white anxiety about his race; and, less self-evident but no less real, his being black saved him from the nerd purgatory of Adlai Stevensonism. Nor is this racial/temperamental balancing act a particularly novel one: think, again, of Colin Powell (prior to Obama, the most broadly popular black political figure in the country) or such breakthrough cultural figures as Bill Cosby, Sidney Poitier, and Nat King Cole.

Even when Obama has been at his cucumber-coolest--and has earned abuse from the left and center for it--figures on the right have aggressively tried to hang the "angry black man" label on him. A June editorial in The Washington Times (entitled, bluntly enough, "Angry Man Obama") cited his "tough guy" persona and "bullying undercurrent" and tied him to Spike Lee. A year ago, Rush Limbaugh described the school-bus beating of a white student by black students as typical of "Obama's America"; in the run-up to the midterms, Glenn Beck accused the president of "inciting people." The idea that Obama is driven by fury is prevalent enough on the right that Dinesh D'Souza could take it as a given in the title of his Amazon bestseller The Roots of Obama's Rage. Idiotic though it may be, this is not a narrative the president wants to fuel.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2010/11/obamas-populism-problem/66096/

[Spider]

wow, I'm not even sure what you are talking about there. The tea party is FAR from libertarian....if they were libertarian, they wouldn't be so concerned about social issues as well.

Our country is run by big business and big banks, not by any political party and they are going to suck his dry until its over and move on to the next thing.

Goldman Sachs is the devil, most people are too stupid to realize it. They are ruining this country and Bush had them in his cabinet and so does Obama.....it's pretty much game over dude.

There is a reason why the middle class is becoming more of an afterthought since the early 80's...and that is scary. The divide between rich and poor has never been greater in our history. If that doesn't upset you, then I don't know what else to say.

Nice post , but a wasted effort , McLiar ( as alot of us call him now ) only sees things black and white ( literally) the more simple the message a politician gives , the more he understands , he is the true definition of a bumper sticker slogans

[Spider]

oh and Obama does need an ass chewing , he needs to be held accountable ......
Jobs should have been #1 , the economy he rushed Healthcare through as #1 , then started on the economy , I agree the economy is getting better , but it is still needs alot of help ...........

[bronclvr]

oh and Obama does need an ass chewing , he needs to be held accountable ......
Jobs should have been #1 , the economy he rushed Healthcare through as #1 , then started on the economy , I agree the economy is getting better , but it is still needs alot of help ...........

Spider, thank you for taking a pragmatic view of the situation-there is so much posturing and BS from both sides of the aisle it's just ridiculous. The Repugs are being stupid and inflexible, while Obozo just now realizes that he should have done things differently:

After election rebuff, Obama admits shortcomings

President tells '60 Minutes' he strayed from his leadership style

WASHINGTON — As he prepares to embark on a 10-day trip to Asia, President Barack Obama is acknowledging in the wake of this week's election rout that he hasn't been able to successfully promote his economic-rescue message to anxious Americans.

Obama says in an interview with CBS's "60 Minutes" that he "stopped paying attention" to the leadership style he displayed during his run for the presidency.

Obama also said he recognizes now that "leadership is not just legislation," and that "it's a matter of persuading people. And giving them confidence and bringing them together. And setting a tone. And making an argument that people can understand." http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40023520/ns/politics-white_house/

It's a shame that it took an election of this magnitude to get Obama to see that he wasn't approaching things the proper way. I always felt that the Recession was self-induced in that we talked ourselves into it, and that we needed someone to give us hope and lead us out of it, something he did not do-I'm not minimizing the sub-prime mess, but perception can be reality-

[Spider]

Spider, thank you for taking a pragmatic view of the situation-there is so much posturing and BS from both sides of the aisle it's just ridiculous. The Repugs are being stupid and inflexible, while Obozo just now realizes that he should have done things differently:

After election rebuff, Obama admits shortcomings

President tells '60 Minutes' he strayed from his leadership style

WASHINGTON — As he prepares to embark on a 10-day trip to Asia, President Barack Obama is acknowledging in the wake of this week's election rout that he hasn't been able to successfully promote his economic-rescue message to anxious Americans.

Obama says in an interview with CBS's "60 Minutes" that he "stopped paying attention" to the leadership style he displayed during his run for the presidency.

Obama also said he recognizes now that "leadership is not just legislation," and that "it's a matter of persuading people. And giving them confidence and bringing them together. And setting a tone. And making an argument that people can understand."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40023520/ns/politics-white_house/

It's a shame that it took an election of this magnitude to get Obama to see that he wasn't approaching things the proper way. I always felt that the Recession was self-induced in that we talked ourselves into it, and that we needed someone to give us hope and lead us out of it, something he did not do-I'm not minimizing the sub-prime mess, but perception can be reality-
;D yeah it is , but it isnt to late to do something , but you got to admit , some of the **** these bedwetters are comin up on Obama is just flat out certifiable crazy ....... it is amazing these people function without adult supervision

[TailgateNut]

Spider, thank you for taking a pragmatic view of the situation-there is so much posturing and BS from both sides of the aisle it's just ridiculous. The Repugs are being stupid and inflexible, while Obozo just now realizes that he should have done things differently:

After election rebuff, Obama admits shortcomings

President tells '60 Minutes' he strayed from his leadership style

WASHINGTON — As he prepares to embark on a 10-day trip to Asia, President Barack Obama is acknowledging in the wake of this week's election rout that he hasn't been able to successfully promote his economic-rescue message to anxious Americans.

Obama says in an interview with CBS's "60 Minutes" that he "stopped paying attention" to the leadership style he displayed during his run for the presidency.

Obama also said he recognizes now that "leadership is not just legislation," and that "it's a matter of persuading people. And giving them confidence and bringing them together. And setting a tone. And making an argument that people can understand." http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40023520/ns/politics-white_house/

It's a shame that it took an election of this magnitude to get Obama to see that he wasn't approaching things the proper way. I always felt that the Recession was self-induced in that we talked ourselves into it, and that we needed someone to give us hope and lead us out of it, something he did not do-I'm not minimizing the sub-prime mess, but perception can be reality-


Too bad your cohorts (the newly elected Teapuklicans) don't see eye to eye with the remaining goverment officials that working together accomplishes more than fighting everything tooth and nail. Nothing has changed, and if nothing changes after the next few election cycles we might as well put our country up for sale to the highest bidder or allow the corporations to become our goverment (oh, wait, that's the bitter reality today)

[bronclvr]

;D yeah it is , but it isnt to late to do something , but you got to admit , some of the **** these bedwetters are comin up on Obama is just flat out certifiable crazy ....... it is amazing these people function without adult supervision

You should also remember that they are also responding to their constituents-so much of what I see on this Board is nothing more than posturing, and at times (to my own chagrin) I have participated, (so I'm to blame too)-

There is so much infighting that we will never get anything done, meanwhile China is killing us, and all we can do is point fingers and place blame. Are we so stupid to realize that the Ship is sinking while all we are doing is poking holes in it? We have to pull our head out someday and learn to work together-it's stupid what we are doing to ourselves-it's like watching an Alcoholic go out , get Drunk, beat his Wife, then get up in the morning and do it all over again-

[bronclvr]

Too bad your cohorts (the newly elected Teapuklicans) don't see eye to eye with the remaining goverment officials that working together accomplishes more than fighting everything tooth and nail. Nothing has changed, and if nothing changes after the next few election cycles we might as well put our country up for sale to the highest bidder or allow the corporations to become our goverment (oh, wait, that's the bitter reality today)


It works both ways TGN, and the people have the power if they can learn to work together-

[Spider]

You should also remember that they are also responding to their constituents-so much of what I see on this Board is nothing more than posturing, and at times (to my own chagrin) I have participated, (so I'm to blame too)-

There is so much infighting that we will never get anything done, meanwhile China is killing us, and all we can do is point fingers and place blame. Are we so stupid to realize that the Ship is sinking while all we are doing is poking holes in it? We have to pull our head out someday and learn to work together-it's stupid what we are doing to ourselves-it's like watching an Alcoholic go out , get Drunk, beat his Wife, then get up in the morning and do it all over again-
well as long as the dems continue on being spineless , some times you got to kick ass to get respect , you cant expect any good faith negotiations without respect ......

[TonyR]

I always felt that the Recession was self-induced in that we talked ourselves into it, and that we needed someone to give us hope and lead us out of it, something he did not do-I'm not minimizing the sub-prime mess, but perception can be reality-

"Self induced" yes. But "talked ourselves into it"? I don't get where you're coming from with the latter.

[bronclvr]

well as long as the dems continue on being spineless , some times you got to kick ass to get respect , you cant expect any good faith negotiations without respect ......

How about if both sides try some humility-

[Spider]

How about if both sides try some humility-

well you are talking about people who spend Millions to get jobs , that pay less then 500k a year , so lets keep it realistic ;D