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The MVPlaya
10-28-2010, 04:29 AM
http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/10/27/brandt-auburns-newton-better-than-tebow/

Brandt: Auburn’s Newton better than Tebow
Posted: October 27th, 2010 | Craig Ellenport | Tags: Auburn, Cam Newton, Gil Brandt, NFL Draft, Tim Tebow

NFL.com analyst Gil Brandt knows a thing or two about evaluating college talent, and so something he said during his weekly live chat Tuesday should stir things up with NFL draftniks out there.

While the Heisman Trophy campaign for Auburn QB Cam Newton is heating up, it brought up the inevitable question: How does Newton stack up as an NFL prospect?

Keep in mind that Brandt was a firm believer last April that all-purpose QB Tim Tebow was worthy of a first-round draft pick. Well, he likes Newton even more.

“I think the Auburn QB might be the most exciting football player I’ve seen on the college level – EVER,” Brandt said. “Thanks to his running and passing ability, I’d say Auburn has a very good shot at the national championship despite having to end the regular season at Alabama.”

Through eight games, Newton has 13 TD passes and 14 TD runs, and he’s turned in countless highlight-reel plays. As a fourth-year junior, he would be eligible to enter the 2011 NFL Draft, though he could opt to remain in school.

If he does opt for the former, Brandt sees plenty of interest from NFL clubs.

“If I had my choice of drafting Tim Tebow or Cam Newton,” Brandt said, “I’d select Cam Newton.”

For the entire chat transcript, click here.

Man-Goblin
10-28-2010, 04:44 AM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/02/Gil_Brandt.JPG/240px-Gil_Brandt.JPG

But when pressed further, Gil said he would take Dutch Sternaman over all of the QBs he's ever seen play.

http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/nfl/chicago/SternamanChi.jpg

TheElusiveKyleOrton
10-28-2010, 05:04 AM
Man, I love hyperbole first thing in the morning.

“I think the Auburn QB might be the most exciting football player I’ve seen on the college level – EVER,” Brandt said.

He then added, "Pizza is the best food I've ever had. EVER!" and "I love my combover. It's the best hairstyle I've ever had. EVER!"

fontaine
10-28-2010, 05:06 AM
Josina Anderson:
OMG, brandt sez Newton better and Tebow! Not sh*t Einstein! McDummy wut is you doin? Joshie is tearing this team apaaaaaart!

Rock Chalk
10-28-2010, 05:14 AM
At the collegiate level, Bo Jackson was the most exciting player I ever saw. Vince Young was the most exciting QB I ever saw. Tebow isnt even in the top 10 and Newton has a ways to go.

Rohirrim
10-28-2010, 05:28 AM
Luck is better than both of them. ;D

BroncoBuff
10-28-2010, 05:36 AM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/02/gil_brandt.jpg/240px-gil_brandt.jpg

but when pressed further, gil said he would take dutch sternaman over all of the qbs he's ever seen play.

http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/nfl/chicago/sternamanchi.jpg
Ha!

tsiguy96
10-28-2010, 06:18 AM
tebows gift is his work ethic and intangibles. hard to find any player who will work like he will to get better and be a true team player.

TheChamp24
10-28-2010, 06:46 AM
Man people forget how electric Michael Vick was in college.
That said, Newton does look very good.

Dagmar
10-28-2010, 07:00 AM
One thing I have noticed in the American media since I moved here and this isn't a shot at Americans.

When you see someone you think is, or could be, better than a former great at some level, people immediately assume that they are attacking the person who they are saying is No.2, it's ridiculous.

Victor
10-28-2010, 07:09 AM
I believe that Gil is about 97 years old. He stopped being relevant a decade ago. He may be right, but I highly doubt it.

MileHighMagic
10-28-2010, 07:55 AM
Brandt knows his shyt. I have a ton of respect for him. That being said, Newton's numbers don't even sniff Tebow's. I know that doesn't matter a whole hell of a lot when this is simply Gil's opinion on who is/was the better player in college but c'mon..it's not even close.

bendog
10-28-2010, 08:30 AM
Newton's outgaining Tebow on the ground. But Newton will have only two seasons to put up numbers, compared to Tebow's three, because Newton is a felon.

DomCasual
10-28-2010, 09:02 AM
http://www.nationalpost.com/arts/3391146.bin?size=620x465

Tim Tebow may be good...

Binkythefrog
10-28-2010, 09:13 AM
Brandt knows his shyt. I have a ton of respect for him. That being said, Newton's numbers don't even sniff Tebow's. I know that doesn't matter a whole hell of a lot when this is simply Gil's opinion on who is/was the better player in college but c'mon..it's not even close.

Newton just broke Tebow's single season SEC rushing record. From what I saw in the LSU/Auburn game, he looked unstoppable, but I didn't get to see him throw much.

Jay3
10-28-2010, 10:45 AM
Newton just broke Tebow's single season SEC rushing record. From what I saw in the LSU/Auburn game, he looked unstoppable, but I didn't get to see him throw much.

Newton has outrushed Tebow by almost every measure (except touchdowns, yet, but that will likely fall).

I wonder if all the "Yeah, but can he pass" criticisms will sound off once people compare Newton's numbers to Tebow's, and realize Tebow smoked Newton's throwing numbers?

"Derrr, but I was told Tebow was just a running quarterback!"

Newton is currently on pace to match the 22 touchdowns that Tebow ran for his Heisman season. But Tebow threw 32 touchdown passes that year.

bendog
10-28-2010, 10:54 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=183484

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=232016

newton is passing about 1/3 less than Tebow did in each of his three years as a starter. both have nearly identicl passer ratings and newton might be a little ahead in yards per pass.

Newton has a non-unusal delivery. He's a pretty classic type passer which is why we'll see people saying he has less passing questions than Tebow. And even the biggest tebow backers will say he can't do that windup thing he did sometimes.

I don't think anyone knows if Newton's smarter than Jamarcus Russell, but the guy is a flat out felon. He has a huge bust factor. But the fact is that he's bigger, faster than Tebow, and he's got a cannon arm.

Jay3
10-28-2010, 01:12 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=183484

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=232016

newton is passing about 1/3 less than Tebow did in each of his three years as a starter. both have nearly identicl passer ratings and newton might be a little ahead in yards per pass.

Ah, so you left out touchdowns.



But the fact is that he's bigger, faster than Tebow, and he's got a cannon arm.

And he will continue to be paid the high compliment of comparisons to Tebow, often by people who slagged on Tebow.

Kaylore
10-28-2010, 01:33 PM
man, i love hyperbole first thing in the morning.

“i think the auburn qb might be the most exciting football player i’ve seen on the college level – ever,” brandt said.

He then added, "pizza is the best food i've ever had. Ever!" and "i love my combover. It's the best hairstyle i've ever had. Ever!"

ROFL!

Somewhere, Bill Walton is smiling.
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/si/2009/writers/chris_ballard/11/12/walton/Bill-Walton.jpg

BroncoInferno
10-28-2010, 02:10 PM
As much as the draftniks nit-picked over Tebow as a passer, Cam Newton is FAR less sophicated as a passer than Tebow.

Chris
10-28-2010, 02:57 PM
Tebow is a so-phis-ti-cated MAMA

✡✡ JOSHUA ✡✡
10-28-2010, 03:18 PM
With Denver's top five 2011 selection, they should draft Cameron Newton and bring Gus Malzahn in to run McDaniels' offense.

✡✡ JOSHUA ✡✡
10-28-2010, 03:19 PM
McDaniels + Malzahn + Tebow + Newton = Multiple super bowls, 550 point seasons and 450 yards a game!!!

✡✡ JOSHUA ✡✡
10-28-2010, 04:25 PM
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WABronco
10-28-2010, 06:34 PM
Like Derrick Harvey was a superior prospect to Jarvis Moss, I'm sure. Who gives a ****?

Hogan11
10-28-2010, 06:35 PM
Aaron Murray is going to be better than all of them

~Crash~
10-28-2010, 06:43 PM
Luck is better than both of them. ;D

Well thats nice but Blaine Gabbert is the best College QB in the last 10 Years.

elsid13
10-28-2010, 06:52 PM
Well thats nice but Blaine Gabbert is the best College QB in the last 10 Years.

CRACK is not a drug to be taken lightly. ;D

Dagmar
10-28-2010, 07:08 PM
http://images1.memegenerator.net/Kanye-Finish/ImageMacro/3360479/Well-thats-nice-but-Blaine-Gabbert-is-the-best-College-QB-in-the-last-10-Years.jpg

oubronco
10-28-2010, 07:22 PM
Bradfords better than all of the formentioned qb's

~Crash~
10-28-2010, 07:32 PM
CRACK is not a drug to be taken lightly. ;D

He is a Sophomore , I watched the guy 5 times and every time I have watched him I go away with what a play maker . He is strong as a bull and can throw with people draped on him off balance and hit the WR in stride. In two year people will discover him until then kiss my ass .

I am a huge Razorback fan and I like Blaine 100 times better than Mallet . Blaine is strong and puts the football in small windows way more frequent also he can put touch on the football when needed .. also Blaine can do anything Mallet can do like the fastballs and the deep out patterns even though he does not get the chance as often he still is damn fine at it.

Arkie
10-28-2010, 07:38 PM
Newton just broke Tebow's single season SEC rushing record. From what I saw in the LSU/Auburn game, he looked unstoppable, but I didn't get to see him throw much.

And he still has 5 or 6 games left to run it up.

Dr. Broncenstein
10-28-2010, 07:46 PM
I believe that Gil is about 97 years old. He stopped being relevant a decade ago. He may be right, but I highly doubt it.

Brandt is about as relevant today as he has ever been. If you crawled out from under your rock and actually listened to him talk, you might think differently.

strafen
10-28-2010, 07:53 PM
I haven't seen Cam Newton play yet.
I'd probably google some film on him later tonight...
So, once I see what they're talking about, I would render my own verdict.

I don't think anybody has yet seen enough plays by Tebow at the NFL level to really sway one way or the other.
In my opinion Tebow sowed some hope in a lot of people during his brief pre-season play.
What I saw is more upside than anything else. With the good, you get to see some disturbing areas too. I just didn't see anything in Tebow that anybody should worry about.

He will take his style of play to the game in the NFL. That's why I think they need to turn him loose and don't overcoach him. Let him do his thing...

Dr. Broncenstein
10-28-2010, 08:02 PM
I haven't seen Cam Newton play yet.
I'd probably google some film on him later tonight...
So, once I see what they're talking about, I would render my own verdict.

I don't think anybody has yet ween enough plays by Tebow at the NFL level to really sway one way or the other.
In my opinion Tebow sowed some hope in a lot of people during his brief pre-season play.
What I saw is more upside than anything else. With the good, you get to see some disturbing areas too. I just didn't see anything in Tebow that anybody should worry about.

He will take his style of play to the game in the NFL. That's why I think they need to turn him loose and don't overcoach him. Let him do his thing...

I've watched the guy play, and I have to admit he is more physically talented than just about any college player in the last decade. Certainly not as accomplished a player or human as Tebow, but definitely more raw physical talent.

Jay3
10-28-2010, 08:13 PM
He's incredible. He's got my vote for the Heisman.

I like players who don't fit the mold. The idea of seeing something we haven't seen before excites me.

strafen
10-28-2010, 08:18 PM
I've watched the guy play, and I have to admit he is more physically talented than just about any college player in the last decade. Certainly not as accomplished a player or human as Tebow, but definitely more raw physical talent.Tebow's got size, strength and off-the-chart intangibles.
Tebow mechanics get called into question. I figure he would have terrible stats as a passer.
I was surprised that in his last 3 years he averaged 27TD's and 5 INT's
He did play very little in his first college season (5TD's 1 INT)

Each of his last 3 seasons he had passes long of: 66, 70 and 80 yds respectively

88 Td's and 16 Int's as a passer in his college career to go with 57 rushing TD's.
He did take an aweful amount of sacks though, yet his numbers are still impressive...

Victor
10-28-2010, 08:24 PM
Brandt is about as relevant today as he has ever been. If you crawled out from under your rock and actually listened to him talk, you might think differently.

My rock? What is he, your father in law? If he was such a sage he would still be with the Cowboys. Lighten up Francis.

Dr. Broncenstein
10-28-2010, 08:34 PM
My rock? What is he, your father in law? If he was such a sage he would still be with the Cowboys. Lighten up Francis.

Brandt is probably the most respected opinion on Sirius NFL. And by "most respected" I'm talking about what other credible commentators like Tim Ryan / Pat Kirwan / Jim Miller / Rich Gannon think. But don't let that stop you from knee-jerking your retarded shiat into some type of uninformed opinion.

WABronco
10-28-2010, 08:40 PM
He listens to Sirius NFL, nitwit. Take your dumbassery somewhere else.

Victor
10-28-2010, 08:50 PM
Brandt is probably the most respected opinion on Sirius NFL. And by "most respected" I'm talking about what other credible commentators like Tim Ryan / Pat Kirwan / Jim Miller / Rich Gannon think. But don't let that stop you from knee-jerking your retarded shiat into some type of uninformed opinion.

Doctor, it appears that you have some sand in your vag. That's fine if you have a hard on for Gil, but I don't like the man's opinion. I disagree with him. I think that his time has passed him by. If that makes me a knee-jerking retarded shiat slinger than so be it.

Dr. Broncenstein
10-28-2010, 09:06 PM
Doctor, it appears that you have some sand in your vag. That's fine if you have a hard on for Gil, but I don't like the man's opinion. I disagree with him. I think that his time has passed him by. If that makes me a knee-jerking retarded shiat slinger than so be it.

You said he is no longer relevant. You couldn't be more wrong. Your opinion of his takes were never the subject. We wouldn't be talking about your disagreement with his takes, because I could care less.

Victor
10-28-2010, 09:18 PM
You said he is no longer relevant. You couldn't be more wrong. Your opinion of his takes were never the subject. We wouldn't be talking about your disagreement with his takes, because I could care less.

I think you mean you "couldn't care less", but I get your drift.

Dr. Broncenstein
10-28-2010, 09:25 PM
I think you mean you "couldn't care less", but I get your drift.

http://alt-usage-english.org/excerpts/fxcouldc.html

I chose to avoid a double negative by using an idiom.

Victor
10-28-2010, 09:28 PM
http://alt-usage-english.org/excerpts/fxcouldc.html

I chose to avoid a double negative by using an idiom.

No, you're a hick from the sticks and you don't know any better.

Bob's your Information Minister
10-28-2010, 09:37 PM
Brodie Croyle is better than Tebow.

strafen
10-28-2010, 09:41 PM
Brodie Croyle is better than Tebow.I'm not impressed...

"Though he saw little playing time in his rookie season in the NFL, Croyle shared the starting position with Damon Huard in 2007. On November 18, Croyle started his first game as the Chiefs' starting quarterback against the Indianapolis Colts.

Croyle remained the Chiefs' starting quarterback for the remainder of the season despite losing all six games that he started. He was the incumbent starter heading into the 2008 regular season, but suffered a shoulder injury in the Chiefs' first game. Croyle returned in Week 7 but suffered a torn MCL and was ruled out for the remainder of the season. Croyle began the 2009 season once again as the Chiefs' starting quarterback, filling in for an injured Matt Cassel."

footstepsfrom#27
10-29-2010, 12:13 AM
If Brandt were still relevant he'd be employed by an NFL team.

ton80
10-29-2010, 01:09 AM
tebows gift is his work ethic and intangibles. hard to find any player who will work like he will to get better and be a true team player.

and his frickin accuracy.

Tebow's accuracy will make him.

elsid13
10-29-2010, 05:12 AM
He is a Sophomore , I watched the guy 5 times and every time I have watched him I go away with what a play maker . He is strong as a bull and can throw with people draped on him off balance and hit the WR in stride. In two year people will discover him until then kiss my ass .

I am a huge Razorback fan and I like Blaine 100 times better than Mallet . Blaine is strong and puts the football in small windows way more frequent also he can put touch on the football when needed .. also Blaine can do anything Mallet can do like the fastballs and the deep out patterns even though he does not get the chance as often he still is damn fine at it.

Learn to take a joke. I know who Blaine Gabbert is and where he plays. He is a nice player. He has strong arm but it is not in Mallets' league, there few QB that are in either College or the NFL. Playing out of the Mizzou Spread his accuracy is inflated like all QB that play in that style of systems so it need do deflated some. He going to have to work on playing under center and his drops but he will make the NFL. As young QBs goes though he ranks behind Luck and Barkley and on par with Foles. BTW he is junior

Jay3
10-29-2010, 05:26 AM
He did take an aweful amount of sacks though, yet his numbers are still impressive...

I don't think he took an awful amount of sacks at all. Where are you getting that idea?

Maybe the numbers are skewed by how much he ran it, but he was not sack-prone at all.

TheChamp24
10-29-2010, 06:52 AM
Well thats nice but Blaine Gabbert is the best College QB in the last 10 Years.

http://iruntheinternet.com/lulzdump/images/not-sure-joker-serious-batman-12747466515.jpg

epicSocialism4tw
10-29-2010, 08:15 AM
Ah, how quickly people forget.

Let me know when Newton has accomplished half of what Tebow has, then I'll start paying attention.

lostknight
11-09-2010, 10:53 AM
It's interesting how this thread looks after the news this weekend. I think it buttresses the point about Tebow. Besides the emerging pay for play accusations (which could end his college career), Newton is now facing expulsion from Florida for theft and cheating, which could make him ineligible even if he is still eligible after the current investigation for pay is done.

Leadership is critical. Newton will be fighting these allegations the rest of his life, and almost certainly will declare eligibility this year to avoid being suspended next.

~Crash~
11-09-2010, 11:08 AM
http://iruntheinternet.com/lulzdump/images/not-sure-joker-serious-batman-12747466515.jpg



Yep if we are talking for the NFL ! Accuracy is more important than anything, then add in his quick release ! yep I am not joking if Blaine keeps his nose to the grind stone he will be the best QB to come out of the NFL in the last 10 years.

footstepsfrom#27
11-09-2010, 11:26 AM
The Auburn kid has major character issues...silly thread.

oubronco
11-09-2010, 11:27 AM
Apparently now Cam Newton's Florida past may be coming back to haunt him.


http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5783051 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5783051)
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TheChamp24
11-09-2010, 12:11 PM
Yep if we are talking for the NFL ! Accuracy is more important than anything, then add in his quick release ! yep I am not joking if Blaine keeps his nose to the grind stone he will be the best QB to come out of the NFL in the last 10 years.

Bradford's accuracy > Gabbert's accuracy

vancejohnson82
11-09-2010, 12:57 PM
wow...i never knew Tebow was high on the list of exciting players in NCAA history...

reggie bush
mike vick
vince young
desmond howard
marshall faulk
randy moss (1AA)

and those are just guys from this very recent era which Brandt was probably sleeping through with his eyes open

epicSocialism4tw
11-09-2010, 02:50 PM
wow...i never knew Tebow was high on the list of exciting players in NCAA history...

reggie bush
mike vick
vince young
desmond howard
marshall faulk
randy moss (1AA)

and those are just guys from this very recent era which Brandt was probably sleeping through with his eyes open

Um...seriously? Hilarious!

The only player on that list in Tebow's league is Vince Young.

You cant discuss the greatest college player of all time and NOT talk about Tim Tebow.

lostknight
11-09-2010, 03:21 PM
wow...i never knew Tebow was high on the list of exciting players in NCAA history...


Given that he took both Faulk's single season rushing record, and Manning (that would be Peyton, but also Eli)'s all time passing records, consider yourself enlightened.

UberBroncoMan
11-09-2010, 03:47 PM
Um...seriously? Hilarious!

The only player on that list in Tebow's league is Vince Young.

You cant discuss the greatest college player of all time and NOT talk about Tim Tebow.

Barry Sanders!

Also, Reggie Bush was pretty damn exciting in college. I really was never that enamored with Vince Young.

Pony Boy
11-09-2010, 07:37 PM
Irrelevant thread, Cam Newton is not smart enough to run the megga-mind offense we have in Denver. Would be best if he's in Cleveland with Hillis.