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bloodsunday
10-27-2010, 10:27 AM
Does anyone now what's up?

I know when Bowlen fired Shanahan 2 years ago he mentioned his health (in particular short-term memory loss). Is he still running this team day-to-day or is he turning over control to Joe Ellis?

Money. Bowlen has clearly put a spending cap on this team. Are we going to be the LA Clippers of NFL?

Mile High Shack
10-27-2010, 10:28 AM
I think it's more to the fact he knows there is going to be a work stoppage next season so he's trying to save money back for that.

Eldorado
10-27-2010, 10:28 AM
Wooot 1stt!!111

This thread is special.

Eldorado
10-27-2010, 10:29 AM
Doh!

jhns
10-27-2010, 10:35 AM
Where does this money thing come from? He put out a ton of money the last couple offseasons. Just look at our turnover and FA lists. He also just extended some expensive players. The only one not extended so far, that needs it, is Champ.

SonOfLe-loLang
10-27-2010, 10:36 AM
I still can't believe people took Bowlen's comment about his "memory loss" seriously.

bloodsunday
10-27-2010, 10:50 AM
Where does this money thing come from? He put out a ton of money the last couple offseasons. Just look at our turnover and FA lists. He also just extended some expensive players. The only one not extended so far, that needs it, is Champ.

Money has become more of a focal point at Dove Valley. Make no mistake. Whether it's just good business or because of some other motive (Bowlen's finances, a potential lockout) is the question.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_16077150

"the Broncos' "dead money" against the salary cap this year, if there were a salary cap, is only $8.2 million. Their wasted cash is $6 million. Both figures are in the bottom five of the NFL, according to two league sources. A far cry from a Broncos franchise that from 1998-2009 was No. 1 in dead money, according to the sources."

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_16440005

"McDaniels does have more limits on some of that power than Shanahan did, including more of a budget to follow in hiring assistants, while the Broncos were more frugal in free agency in Shanahan's last two seasons and have tightened up even more in the last two years....The decision to end contract talks with cornerback Champ Bailey, for example, was made above McDaniels by Bowlen and chief operating officer Joe Ellis."

bloodsunday
10-27-2010, 10:55 AM
I still can't believe people took Bowlen's comment about his "memory loss" seriously.

Look, it's fair to speculate. First of all, Bowlen is the one that brought it up. If it was such a nonsense thing, then why would a man like him even put it out there? Second of all, he's getting up in age, not like Al Davis, but to a point where these things are more likely to be a concern.

And most importantly, why isn't he interacting with the fans more? Jerry Jones is on the radio every other day. I'm not saying I want Jerry Jones as an owner, I'm just wondering where the owner is in all this change. Why did he decline interviews/comments after the worst loss in the franchises history?

I'm also very unsure why there is a seeming contradiction between what he set out to do when he fired Shanahan (create a more natural management structure) and what he did hiring McDaniels (gave him essentially the same amount of power).

bowtown
10-27-2010, 11:00 AM
look, it's fair to speculate. First of all, bowlen is the one that brought it up. If it was such a nonsense thing, then why would a man like him even put it out there?

it was a joke [/CAPS]

Popps
10-27-2010, 11:01 AM
Thread is a level, right?

bloodsunday
10-27-2010, 11:04 AM
it was a joke [/CAPS]

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_12281980

He has turned over additional organizational responsibilities to chief operating officer Joe Ellis.

His health "is good," but he has experienced "short-term memory loss" in recent months.

and the kicker....

The Broncos will "probably not" win the Super Bowl next season.

When was the last owner that would acknowledge that?! It was blasphemy during the Shanahan years (even though it was obvious after about 1999).

That doesn't sound like a joke to me.

Killericon
10-27-2010, 11:06 AM
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_12281980

He has turned over additional organizational responsibilities to chief operating officer Joe Ellis.

His health "is good," but he has experienced "short-term memory loss" in recent months.

and the kicker....

The Broncos will "probably not" win the Super Bowl next season.

When was the last owner that would acknowledge that?! It was blasphemy during the Shanahan years (even though it was obvious after about 1999).

That doesn't sound like a joke to me.

Wow, two words in quotation marks. I bet we have all the context we need for that line!

bloodsunday
10-27-2010, 11:06 AM
Thread is a level, right?

Then don't read it. Much more garbage is posted around here than this.

The condition of our owner matters more than anything else facing this franchise (see Al Davis).

Popps
10-27-2010, 11:09 AM
What is it about a loss that brings out the crazy in everyone.

Is it a full moon? The conspiracy stuff is just running wild this week.

ColoradoDarin
10-27-2010, 11:13 AM
What is it about a loss that brings out the crazy in everyone.

Is it a full moon? The conspiracy stuff is just running wild this week.

It's like troll viagra. Especially a loss at home to the raiders.

bloodsunday
10-27-2010, 11:15 AM
What is it about a loss that brings out the crazy in everyone.

Is it a full moon? The conspiracy stuff is just running wild this week.

It has nothing to do with the loss EXCEPT that I wonder how much this could impact any potential changes next year. In that much, I have the same amount of crazy as any fan that just watches his or her team have a HISTORICALLY BAD loss.

This is a real issue and I have quietly wondered about since he fired Shanahan. But it keeps being reaffirmed by decisions that are made, articles that are posted, etc...

What is one other thing that might have caused Bowlen to bring McDaniels over from NE? Could it be that NE is one of the cheapest organizations in the league? It's a fact we cannot escape until we see more evidence about where this is going.

Taco John
10-27-2010, 11:16 AM
I still can't believe people took Bowlen's comment about his "memory loss" seriously.

I think that you have to take the guy at his word:

As for his health, Bowlen said he is not slowing down or slacking off. "My health is excellent, for a guy my age, although I'm not going to do any more triathlons."

The owner paused and said: "I have short-term memory loss. I know that some of the memories of the Super Bowl championships are fading."

Asked if he was concerned about the memory loss worsening, Bowlen said:

"Not really. It comes with age."

Bowlen is seeking new memories. "I love what I'm doing. I'm enjoying this offseason more than I have in a long time."



Read more: Paige: Bowlen unshaken on vision for Broncos - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_12281980#ixzz13a31eUVZ


I'm trying to think of a reason why he'd go to the media and lie about such a thing. I'm not sure if it's any cause for concern at this point, but I don't think he's just making it up.

bloodsunday
10-27-2010, 11:16 AM
It's like troll viagra. Especially a loss at home to the raiders.

That's messed up to call me a troll when I have 2x as many posts as you. I have been a fan of this team for a long time. I have given them my cash, my support, and far too much of my time.

bloodsunday
10-27-2010, 11:18 AM
I know that some of the memories of the Super Bowl championships are fading.

For god's sake those had to be two of his best years as an owner and the memories are "fading". No reason to be concerned about that.

ColoradoDarin
10-27-2010, 11:27 AM
That's messed up to call me a troll when I have 2x as many posts as you. I have been a fan of this team for a long time. I have given them my cash, my support, and far too much of my time.

Well, I was just responding to Popps more in a general sense. Sorry if you took offense.

And Bob has like 5x as many posts as both of use combined, he's a Bronco SuperFan!

Killericon
10-27-2010, 11:28 AM
For god's sake those had to be two of his best years as an owner and the memories are "fading". No reason to be concerned about that.

You guys have got to be kidding me. That's 13 years ago. My memories of 5 years ago are fading, and I'm 21. This is ridiculous.

Beantown Bronco
10-27-2010, 11:31 AM
You guys have got to be kidding me. That's 13 years ago. My memories of 5 years ago are fading, and I'm 21. This is ridiculous.

But Bowlen doesn't smoke nearly as much weed as you do......I hope.

Killericon
10-27-2010, 11:33 AM
But Bowlen doesn't smoke nearly as much weed as you do......I hope.

Fair assumption, but I've never once even tried the stuff(Inhaled or otherwise).

bloodsunday
10-27-2010, 11:34 AM
You guys have got to be kidding me. That's 13 years ago. My memories of 5 years ago are fading, and I'm 21. This is ridiculous.

Yes, but you are talking about special years in his life AND details he was involved with day-to-day.

And, again, he thought it was worth mentioning to the media at least 2 different times. Bowlen is not stupid, he had to know people would wonder if he put it out there.

Beantown Bronco
10-27-2010, 11:34 AM
Fair assumption, but I've never once even tried the stuff(Inhaled or otherwise).

Well, we now know at least one poster's parents who monitor the Mane. ;)

Killericon
10-27-2010, 11:42 AM
Yes, but you are talking about special years in his life AND details he was involved with day-to-day.

And, again, he thought it was worth mentioning to the media at least 2 different times. Bowlen is not stupid, he had to know people would wonder if he put it out there.

I think, perhaps, that this is a sign that Bowlen might want to start thinking about selling the team, but I don't think that time has come just yet. I certainly don't think his abilities as owner have been compromised.

Well, we now know at least one poster's parents who monitor the Mane. ;)

I wish. My rents are Vikings fans.

~Crash~
10-27-2010, 11:44 AM
What is it about a loss that brings out the crazy in everyone.

Is it a full moon? The conspiracy stuff is just running wild this week.

there were a bounch of full moon's before we lost ...Ha!

~Crash~
10-27-2010, 11:49 AM
I think that you have to take the guy at his word:

As for his health, Bowlen said he is not slowing down or slacking off. "My health is excellent, for a guy my age, although I'm not going to do any more triathlons."

The owner paused and said: "I have short-term memory loss. I know that some of the memories of the Super Bowl championships are fading."

Asked if he was concerned about the memory loss worsening, Bowlen said:

"Not really. It comes with age."

Bowlen is seeking new memories. "I love what I'm doing. I'm enjoying this offseason more than I have in a long time."



Read more: Paige: Bowlen unshaken on vision for Broncos - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_12281980#ixzz13a31eUVZ


I'm trying to think of a reason why he'd go to the media and lie about such a thing. I'm not sure if it's any cause for concern at this point, but I don't think he's just making it up.

come on Taco he is saying with age I am starting to want a new champion Ship and I am not going to wait any longer .I am getting older and I need more than I am getting now .

BroncoLifer
10-27-2010, 11:56 AM
It seemed very clear to me that when he made the comment about memory loss during the "I just fired Shanny" press conference, it was as a joke. As in, "I know Mike did some great things for the Broncos, but his past greatness doesn't matter any more. It was so long ago that I can't remember it."

Maybe it's not as clear when reading the written word, but it was very obviously a joke in the way that he said it.

Rock Chalk
10-27-2010, 11:57 AM
I think that you have to take the guy at his word:

As for his health, Bowlen said he is not slowing down or slacking off. "My health is excellent, for a guy my age, although I'm not going to do any more triathlons."

The owner paused and said: "I have short-term memory loss. I know that some of the memories of the Super Bowl championships are fading."

Asked if he was concerned about the memory loss worsening, Bowlen said:

"Not really. It comes with age."

Bowlen is seeking new memories. "I love what I'm doing. I'm enjoying this offseason more than I have in a long time."



Read more: Paige: Bowlen unshaken on vision for Broncos - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_12281980#ixzz13a31eUVZ


I'm trying to think of a reason why he'd go to the media and lie about such a thing. I'm not sure if it's any cause for concern at this point, but I don't think he's just making it up.

Given the context I actually think he used an incorrect term describing his memory loss.

The superbowls were 10 years prior to that. That's not short term memory loss, that's long term memory loss.

Short term loss is when you forget where you put your car keys 10 minutes ago. What he is suffering is just typical memory loss with age. The concern I am seeing is that generally speaking major impactful events in your life that have deep meaning do not "fade" away unless there is an underlying issue.

~Crash~
10-27-2010, 11:59 AM
It seemed very clear to me that when he made the comment about memory loss during the "I just fired Shanny" press conference, it was as a joke. As in, "I know Mike did some great things for the Broncos, but his past greatness doesn't matter any more. It was so long ago that I can't remember it."

Maybe it's not as clear when reading the written word, but it was very obviously a joke in the way that he said it.

yep he was trying to lighten the movement and Pat is not a press kind of guy any ways .

~Crash~
10-27-2010, 12:05 PM
I do think Pat is watching every penny. maybe that is a good thing .time will tell .

NE wins with good consistence doing this. So I will hold off on whether or not it is a good thing or not .

I agree this is a perfectly good thread by the way Boodysunday....... Pat has done some strange things IMO.

~Crash~
10-27-2010, 12:08 PM
Given the context I actually think he used an incorrect term describing his memory loss.

The superbowls were 10 years prior to that. That's not short term memory loss, that's long term memory loss.

Short term loss is when you forget where you put your car keys 10 minutes ago. What he is suffering is just typical memory loss with age. The concern I am seeing is that generally speaking major impactful events in your life that have deep meaning do not "fade" away unless there is an underlying issue.

Our Owner is wanting more SB's at some point I am sure he would like to say this one is for Me !

TheReverend
10-27-2010, 12:53 PM
You guys have got to be kidding me. That's 13 years ago. My memories of 5 years ago are fading, and I'm 21. This is ridiculous.

You're 21?!?!?!?!

bloodsunday
11-02-2010, 07:57 AM
For those that are paying attention, there was yet another reference in today's post (Woody's article) about Bowlen's "health issues" and Joe Ellis taking over the team.

This situation is real folks.

baja
11-02-2010, 06:08 PM
For those that are paying attention, there was yet another reference in today's post (Woody's article) about Bowlen's "health issues" and Joe Ellis taking over the team.

This situation is real folks.

Yes it sure seems so. Pat is the kind of man that will recognize his issues and make plans for some kind of transition of power.

Florida_Bronco
11-02-2010, 06:11 PM
I'm trying to think of a reason why he'd go to the media and lie about such a thing. I'm not sure if it's any cause for concern at this point, but I don't think he's just making it up.

The context of that statement doesn't strike you as "tongue in cheek"?

tsiguy96
11-02-2010, 07:41 PM
good lord, he was JOKING about his memory loss. hes saying, i know its hard to understand, SHANAHAN had not won anything in denver for a VERY long time.

_Oro_
11-02-2010, 07:47 PM
Yup the Bowlen memory loss thing is horribly annoying... almost annoying as you never capitalizing the first letter of your sentences.:bash:

Florida_Bronco
11-02-2010, 08:08 PM
good lord, he was JOKING about his memory loss. hes saying, i know its hard to understand, SHANAHAN had not won anything in denver for a VERY long time.

I can't believe this is lost on so many people.

bendog
11-03-2010, 11:38 AM
maybe he's been able to forget the last 4 games.

Quoydogs
11-03-2010, 11:56 AM
maybe he's been able to forget the last 4 games.

Good point. I bet he could forget the last 14 games. LOL

missingnumber7
11-03-2010, 12:24 PM
Good point. I bet he could forget the last 14 games. LOL

Nah...he's gonna wake up in a couple weeks and say...wait 1 F'n minute...who is this kid coaching the team and what happened to the little orange guy on the sideline? Where is John at? John...help.

strafen
11-03-2010, 12:28 PM
What is it about a loss that brings out the crazy in everyone.

Is it a full moon? The conspiracy stuff is just running wild this week.At times, I've wondered if you really know the true meaning of "conspiracy"
You may want to look it up in the dictionary so it doesn't look out of place the times you've used that word...

bloodsunday
11-04-2010, 02:29 PM
good lord, he was JOKING about his memory loss. hes saying, i know its hard to understand, SHANAHAN had not won anything in denver for a VERY long time.

The two issues are separate. He had reason to fire Shanahan and a decent argument could be made he waited too long. That has nothing to do with me raising this topic.

The issue that I am talking about -- his health -- only came up in passing during his state of the union after firing Shanahan. BUT it keeps coming up. There is nothing that suggests it's a joke or "tongue in cheek". People don't joke about Dementia or Alzheimer type symptoms. Pat Bowlen is still a relatively young man at 66 to be dealing with these issues.

I am concerned because whenever there is a transition of this magnitude it's impossible to know how things will turn out. It seems there is a plan (Joe Ellis?) to change the leadership/control, but Bowlen has been a great owner for a long period of time. It could be crippling to this franchise if his presence is diminished and/or lost, particularly in such troubling times. The 49ers have not been the same since Debartolo lost control of the team.

bowtown
11-04-2010, 02:39 PM
The two issues are separate. He had reason to fire Shanahan and a decent argument could be made he waited too long. That has nothing to do with me raising this topic.

The issue that I am talking about -- his health -- only came up in passing during his state of the union after firing Shanahan. BUT it keeps coming up. There is nothing that suggests it's a joke or "tongue in cheek". People don't joke about Dementia or Alzheimer type symptoms. Pat Bowlen is still a relatively young man at 66 to be dealing with these issues.

I am concerned because whenever there is a transition of this magnitude it's impossible to know how things will turn out. It seems there is a plan (Joe Ellis?) to change the leadership/control, but Bowlen has been a great owner for a long period of time. It could be crippling to this franchise if his presence is diminished and/or lost, particularly in such troubling times. The 49ers have not been the same since Debartolo lost control of the team.

I used to have so much sex when I was single. Since I've been married, it's been so long, I can barely even remember what it feels like. Guess that comes with age.

There I just joked about it, so it can be done.

Bowlen's statement was in the same vein; a tongue in cheek in response to how long it's been since he's experienced a super bowl win. Woody of course took the quote chewed it up and blew it out his ass into a giant hot air balloon that the media outlets and mane grabbed onto rode away with to the island of Over Reaction. And when you say it keeps coming up, it's that one specific quote that keeps coming up. Nothing new about this has come out at all. Bowlen was in England with the team, he's not poor, and when it comes to dimensia, there has been absolutely nothing besides Woody's colonoscopy bag that backs it up.

bloodsunday
11-04-2010, 03:01 PM
I used to have so much sex when I was single. Since I've been married, it's been so long, I can barely even remember what it feels like. Guess that comes with age.

There I just joked about it, so it can be done.

Bowlen's statement was in the same vein; a tongue in cheek in response to how long it's been since he's experienced a super bowl win. Woody of course took the quote chewed it up and blew it out his ass into a giant hot air balloon that the media outlets and mane grabbed onto rode away with to the island of Over Reaction. And when you say it keeps coming up, it's that one specific quote that keeps coming up. Nothing new about this has come out at all. Bowlen was in England with the team, he's not poor, and when it comes to dimensia, there has been absolutely nothing besides Woody's colonoscopy bag that backs it up.

You making a joke on a board and the owner of an NFL team making a comment to the media are different things. And besides, if it is taken out context, then why wouldn't Bowlen clear that up? A simple statement in any interview he gives would do the trick -- doesn't even have to be a special thing.

Woody may be full of BS, but he's been doing sports in this town as long as you and I have been football fans. And, Bowlen though enough of him to give him an exclusive "state of the union" on the Broncos franchise before this season.

I'm not coming to the table claiming these are undeniable facts, but the weight of the evidence suggests that this is more than a joke. Bowlen's health may not be serious, but the plan to turn over the day-to-day control of this team certainly is.

Beantown Bronco
11-04-2010, 04:01 PM
You making a joke on a board and the owner of an NFL team making a comment to the media are different things. And besides, if it is taken out context, then why wouldn't Bowlen clear that up? A simple statement in any interview he gives would do the trick -- doesn't even have to be a special thing.

Apparently, we'll have to wait for Joe Ellis to explain it for him. He's the new "Kenny Peterson" of the podium when it comes to ownership/management press conferences apparently.

Killericon
11-04-2010, 04:31 PM
You're 21?!?!?!?!

Is this surprisingly old or young? Also, yes I just turned. October 26th.

Dr. Broncenstein
11-04-2010, 04:48 PM
Alcohol can impair judgement and short-term memory. Just sayin'...

bloodsunday
11-05-2010, 08:42 AM
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_16528413


Bowlen's health: The Broncos' owner has said in the past year he struggles with short-term memory loss. He rarely gives interviews anymore. But, Ellis said, Bowlen is active in the day-to-day operations of
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"Pat's doing well," Ellis said. "He's elected at this point in his life to step back and not be in the spotlight as much as he was. That was his plan when he brought in Josh. But he's in (the office) every day. He speaks to the coach every day. He's engaged completely on where we are.

baja
11-05-2010, 08:58 AM
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_16528413

You should post the whole article. Lots of good stuff in there including statements that lead one to believe Josh isn't going anywhere any time soon.