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Kaylore
10-24-2010, 04:09 PM
McD lost me today. I can't defend this garbage that is barfing itself on the field. This is basically the same team that's been here for four years. A garbage team that gets embarrassed at home to division rivals. The "defense" sucks. The "offense" sucks and special teams sucks.

The Broncos are terrible and it's pretty clear McDaniels doesn't know how to fix it. I give him an A for effor and a D- for results. If he even lasts into next season unless we win more than 11 games and win at least one playoff game he's toast.

24champ
10-24-2010, 04:11 PM
I can't defend it either. This type of loss to a rival, is unacceptable.

broncosteven
10-24-2010, 04:11 PM
I can't defend it either. This type of loss to a rival, is unacceptable.

At HOME!

TheReverend
10-24-2010, 04:12 PM
This is basically the same team that's been here for four years.

I beg to differ...

DenverBrit
10-24-2010, 04:12 PM
There is no defending that performance.

What happened to the team that played Jets??

Jetmeck
10-24-2010, 04:13 PM
I'd pull the trigger tonight if it was up to me. Pack your **** !!

Sir_Robin
10-24-2010, 04:14 PM
I agree. What I am left trying to figure out is what good reason could there possible be to not play Tebow right now.

SoCalBronco
10-24-2010, 04:14 PM
It's an extremely horrible effort from all parties, offensive players, defensive players and coaches. I've already given him 2010 as a mulligan (it doesnt justify this effort, though), but he HAS to at least qualify for the postseason in 2011, when he has his injured vets back and his youngsters are more seasoned than they are now. I'm NOT in favor of firing him at this point, but he HAS TO make the playoffs next year, no excuses.

broncosteven
10-24-2010, 04:14 PM
I think mCd will be a good HC in a couple more stops. He had 7-8 years experience with one team and never as an HC. He should have done what Shanny did, go to another team and get another perspective before taking such a big gig. He could potentially hurt his chances at getting another HC job outside of Ohio HS football if he loses this team.

lostknight
10-24-2010, 04:14 PM
I heard a great quote several years ago by coach Mac. The mark of a good coach is to win the games that they shouldn't have win (unlike last week), not to loose games that you should win (unlike this week).

TonyR
10-24-2010, 04:14 PM
Yup, that's about where I'm at right now. Nine weeks to show some improvement or Mr. Bowlen needs to cut his losses.

TheReverend
10-24-2010, 04:14 PM
I agree. What I am left trying to figure out is what good reason could there possible be to not play Tebow right now.

McDaniels is a ****ing idiot that thinks he's smarter than everyone else even though his results have been nothing but abysmal.... that a good enough reason?

24champ
10-24-2010, 04:16 PM
At HOME!

Whether it was home or away, allowing that Campbell led Raider team to score 59 on you is pretty pathetic.

I'm not really sure McD gets fired tonight or tomorrow, I highly doubt it. I have to think this could be the beginning of the end for McDaniels. One thing to keep in mind are the available candidates, I am not sure there is anyone good to step in at this point, much less replace McDaniels at the end of the year.

I don't think Cowher would come to Denver.

Bob's your Information Minister
10-24-2010, 04:16 PM
This is what happens when you gut talent.

meangene
10-24-2010, 04:17 PM
Yep, McDaniels lost me today... and the team... and the fans...

go_broncos
10-24-2010, 04:17 PM
McD lost me today. I can't defend this garbage that is barfing itself on the field. This is basically the same team that's been here for four years. A garbage team that gets embarrassed at home to division rivals. The "defense" sucks. The "offense" sucks and special teams sucks.

The Broncos are terrible and it's pretty clear McDaniels doesn't know how to fix it. I give him an A for effor and a D- for results. If he even lasts into next season unless we win more than 11 games and win at least one playoff game he's toast.

Glad that you finally realized it..
Hopefully, Bowlen realizes before it is too late..

v2micca
10-24-2010, 04:17 PM
The Broncos are terrible and it's pretty clear McDaniels doesn't know how to fix it. I give him an A for effor and a D- for results. If he even lasts into next season unless we win more than 11 games and win at least one playoff game he's toast.


Bowlen isn't going to Fire McDaniels mid-season no matter how bad it gets. Especially with they uncertainty surrounding the CBA. And unless he could make a serious play for Cowher or a similar coach I doubt McD will be gone before next year either.

No, I say McDaniels still has this year and one more to try to right the ship.

txtebow
10-24-2010, 04:17 PM
BOOM! That's REALITY smacking you right in the MOUF!

24champ
10-24-2010, 04:18 PM
It's an extremely horrible effort from all parties, offensive players, defensive players and coaches. I've already given him 2010 as a mulligan (it doesnt justify this effort, though), but he HAS to at least qualify for the postseason in 2011, when he has his injured vets back and his youngsters are more seasoned than they are now. I'm NOT in favor of firing him at this point, but he HAS TO make the playoffs next year, no excuses.


I'm not sure he makes it past this year, especially if these losses keep piling up.

Jetmeck
10-24-2010, 04:18 PM
This is what happens when you gut talent.

Mark it down. First time I ever agreed with this idiot !

Rigs11
10-24-2010, 04:19 PM
I've been a fierce supporter of mcd. No more. This team quit today. They better be in fuccking pads all week! No days off!

Rabb
10-24-2010, 04:19 PM
I don't think I have ever been more embarrassed about a game than this one. I stopped watching at 28-0.

We have supplanted Oakland as the joke of the division and league.

If you cannot rally the troops after a solid effort and tough loss at home to the Jets to play against a division rival that happens to be your greatest rival historically...then you should be fired.

I supported the guy until today. I will still support the team until the day I die but McD has lost me.

txtebow
10-24-2010, 04:19 PM
We can lead a thirsty & blind JACK A$$ to water but we cannot make you drink(and a minority of us tried).

Too bad it took a 59-14 BEATING for you and your brethren to realize the sordid path we were on.........

Jetmeck
10-24-2010, 04:20 PM
Listen up guys at 14-0 or 21-0 he should have called a TO and chewed their ass out, period.

txtebow
10-24-2010, 04:20 PM
4& 13 in our last 17 games..........

SoCalBronco
10-24-2010, 04:20 PM
I'm not sure he makes it past this year, especially if these losses keep piling up.

Certainly, if things completely snowball and we're like 3-13 or 4-12 by the end of the year, that could very well happen, but we haven't seen anything quite this bad all season....not even the Baltimore game, so to some extent its an outlier. It's not going to be a good year, however, any way you slice it, but I think he'll survive with 6-7 wins.

WABronco
10-24-2010, 04:20 PM
I've been a fierce supporter of mcd. No more. This team quit today. They better be in fuccking pads all week! No days off!

Yawn. That bull**** works for a week on a young team, if that.

Archer81
10-24-2010, 04:20 PM
No words can explain this game.

However, to make an assessment on how you feel about the coach, players or the team as a whole while the game is still being played is a bit premature. Calm down. Realize **** happens and move on.

:Broncos:

zdoor
10-24-2010, 04:21 PM
He needs to go as soon as the season ends...

SonOfLe-loLang
10-24-2010, 04:21 PM
This is what happens when you gut talent.

Except QB and WR arent the problems with this team. If you want to blame him for Hillis, go right ahead, but Peyton Hillis isn't the difference here clearly.

oubronco
10-24-2010, 04:22 PM
He hasn't shown anything since starting 6-0 last year I hope this is just a bad game and they finish the season strong but I don't know how

WolfpackGuy
10-24-2010, 04:22 PM
Explain this Douchebag lovers...

baja
10-24-2010, 04:22 PM
There is no defending this period.

txtebow
10-24-2010, 04:22 PM
No words can explain this game.

However, to make an assessment on how you feel about the coach, players or the team as a whole while the game is still being played is a bit premature. Calm down. Realize **** happens and move on.

:Broncos:

If that's how you rationalize your PATHETIC life fine.

that's not what the DENVER BRONCOS should settle for however...

broncswin
10-24-2010, 04:22 PM
I will eat crow...I have supported this guy through a lot...I think the Cutler move was right...everything else...you just hope is in a plan that works.....I AM DONE WITH McD.....Paging Mr. Cowher

WABronco
10-24-2010, 04:22 PM
No words can explain this game.

However, to make an assessment on how you feel about the coach, players or the team as a whole while the game is still being played is a bit premature. Calm down. Realize **** happens and move on.

:Broncos:

You're right. 72-3 or whatever will sit a lot better after I've slept on it.

TonyR
10-24-2010, 04:23 PM
This is what happens when you gut talent.

What talent got "gutted" that would have made much of a difference today? Jay Cutler? Please. This is more of a problem with drafting, schemes, coaching, and injuries.

24champ
10-24-2010, 04:23 PM
Certainly, if things completely snowball and we're like 3-13 or 4-12 by the end of the year, that could very well happen, but we haven't seen anything quite this bad all season....not even the Baltimore game, so to some extent its an outlier. It's not going to be a good year, however, any way you slice it, but I think he'll survive with 6-7 wins.

Good points. However, this type of loss is the kind of loss where you can potentially lose the team. 59 points allowed at home to the Raiders at home. Not good, and I don't see much building off this loss.

To me, this looks like the beginning of the end for McDaniels...and this is a McDaniels supporter.

BroncoBacker
10-24-2010, 04:23 PM
McD-bag is an arrogant dick who thought he was ready for this...not a good choice! Tried to be just like Belichick...all the way down to the stupid sweatshirt! If he is still coaching this team next year, Bowlen is an idiot and expect more of the same garbage! Great job to be 4-13 in our last 17 games!
Anyone else notice that Orton looks like he is a little retarded?

SonOfLe-loLang
10-24-2010, 04:23 PM
Certainly, if things completely snowball and we're like 3-13 or 4-12 by the end of the year, that could very well happen, but we haven't seen anything quite this bad all season....not even the Baltimore game, so to some extent its an outlier. It's not going to be a good year, however, any way you slice it, but I think he'll survive with 6-7 wins.

I was kind of thinking the same thing. I think had the Broncos stopped that Campbell scramble on the first drive of the game, this result would have been much much much different. The first quarter felt like a snowball effect and the Broncos clearly panicked and thus...well, the result ensued.

Rabb
10-24-2010, 04:23 PM
He hasn't shown anything since starting 6-0 last year I hope this is just a bad game and they finish the season strong but I don't know how

today is honestly about as demoralizing as it gets

actually I thought last year when the Raiders beat us at home it was, but today sets a whole new bar for it

txtebow
10-24-2010, 04:23 PM
I wonder if Josh asked Cable if he could slip him his resume before they left town........

Rohirrim
10-24-2010, 04:23 PM
Brandon Lloyd sitting on the bench laughing and joking.

Meanwhile, the announcers are saying the Raiders set a franchise record for points in a game.

Kid A
10-24-2010, 04:24 PM
This is what happens when you gut talent.

Honestly curious what you're alluding to here. I really don't think the absence of Jay Cutler or Brandon Marshall were a deciding factor here. McD, for all the issues he's had and mistakes he's made, can't be accused of gutting us of any defensive talent. The o-line is rough, but the youth movement was a necessity at this point in time.

Archer81
10-24-2010, 04:24 PM
If that's how you rationalize your PATHETIC life fine.

that's not what the DENVER BRONCOS should settle for however...


Yeah. I totally accept poor play and mediocrity in my favorite sports teams.

You totally nailed it.

Stupid bitch.

:Broncos:

Bob's your Information Minister
10-24-2010, 04:25 PM
Except QB and WR arent the problems with this team.

Yes they are.

No one is scared of Kyle Orton.

Al Wilson
10-24-2010, 04:26 PM
McD lost me today. I can't defend this garbage that is barfing itself on the field. This is basically the same team that's been here for four years. A garbage team that gets embarrassed at home to division rivals. The "defense" sucks. The "offense" sucks and special teams sucks.

The Broncos are terrible and it's pretty clear McDaniels doesn't know how to fix it. I give him an A for effor and a D- for results. If he even lasts into next season unless we win more than 11 games and win at least one playoff game he's toast.
I read some of your previous posts Kaylore, and I couldn't see how the hell you were giving the guy a break after a break. Guess you came out of the closet.

I'm a McDaniels supporter, but this has been too much to watch ever since we lost our first game last year. It's like the team has gone no where but down. He got rid of all the stars, and changed our running game, which was our bread and butter. Now he has his own guys and his own system, and I don't think anybody likes it. Blah

bronco militia
10-24-2010, 04:26 PM
Yes they are.

No one is scared of Kyle Orton.

not with this OL

SoCalBronco
10-24-2010, 04:26 PM
Good points. However, this type of loss is the kind of loss where you can potentially lose the team. 59 points allowed at home to the Raiders at home. Not good, and I don't see much building off this loss.

To me, this looks like the beginning of the end for McDaniels...and this is a McDaniels supporter.

You could very well be right, 24, we'll see. We'll see how they respond against SF. This team needs a BIG win where they absolutely trash the opponent in the WORST way. Alot of this is about self confidence. They need a big shot in the arm. If they don't come out with a great performance in London, it could get ugly. Hopefully, we can bounce back against SF.

txtebow
10-24-2010, 04:26 PM
Yeah. I totally accept poor play and mediocrity in my favorite sports teams.

You totally nailed it.

Stupid b****.

:Broncos:

Go take your CD4 count PHAG.

BlaK-Argentina
10-24-2010, 04:27 PM
It's an extremely horrible effort from all parties, offensive players, defensive players and coaches. I've already given him 2010 as a mulligan (it doesnt justify this effort, though), but he HAS to at least qualify for the postseason in 2011, when he has his injured vets back and his youngsters are more seasoned than they are now. I'm NOT in favor of firing him at this point, but he HAS TO make the playoffs next year, no excuses.

Exactly this.

eddie mac
10-24-2010, 04:28 PM
There's been very little in terms of talent here since the AFC Championship game against the Steelers and that team was talented at a push.

Aside from the start of last season the defense has been dog**** since Al Wilson started declining and he's never been replaced regardless of how many on here continue to blow DJ Williams who IMO is an average LB at best.

Of the 4 talented players we've drafted in the last 5 years, one is dead, another out for the year, one moved on and the other playing at a level well below his rookie year.

The team is littered with average players who have had more teams than Bob's had cock.

I only watch this team at present because the damn thing in the middle of my chest forces me to. They aren't a good football team to watch and every game is littered with mistakes, missed opportunities and downright physical abuse from the opposition and if it weren't for Brandon Lloyd making the inevitable highlight reel catch I'd rather watch paint dry.

Broncoman13
10-24-2010, 04:28 PM
I felt worse after the 41-3 thumping we took from the Chargers at home a few years ago. Ian Gold was sitting there laugh and said, "it happens".

I think the thing that pisses me off the most about the product we are seeing... I am excited and hopeful all week long and constantly let down by a team that is not prepared to play. I don't know if I'd throw in the towel on McD though... we traded away 3 of our 4 most talented players on offense and replaced them with journeymen and a prayer (Tebow, who I like but he probably isn't a player that a lot of coaches want to build a team around). So I think we're stuck with McD for a long while.

txtebow
10-24-2010, 04:28 PM
Exactly this.

Next year will be 2012.

Bank on it.
Bank on McD being fired after our loss to SF next week.

epicSocialism4tw
10-24-2010, 04:29 PM
Go take your CD4 count PHAG.

Thats enough, jerk.

Someone ban this clown.

Archer81
10-24-2010, 04:29 PM
Go take your CD4 count PHAG.


Aww.

Try harder with the insults. Im sure someone might be offended.


:Broncos:

Que
10-24-2010, 04:29 PM
Sing "Out with The Kid,
In with The Chin" please,
Mister Bowlen sir

Dude lost me today. Where he really lost my support was not brining in Tebow. He wouldn't have turned the game around but at least he could have clocked some game experience. To me this was hubris at its worst.

extralife
10-24-2010, 04:29 PM
I felt worse after the 41-3 thumping we took from the Chargers at home a few years ago. Ian Gold was sitting there laugh and said, "it happens".

at least those Chargers teams were decent.

txtebow
10-24-2010, 04:30 PM
Aww.

Try harder with the insults. Im sure someone might be offended.


:Broncos:

Hey you called me a 'bitch' 1st ;O)

TheReverend
10-24-2010, 04:31 PM
The REALLY sad part: It was even worse than the scoreboard reflected

oubronco
10-24-2010, 04:31 PM
Brandon Lloyd sitting on the bench laughing and joking.

Meanwhile, the announcers are saying the Raiders set a franchise record for points in a game.

Players don't really give a shyt one way or another they still cash those million dollar paychecks

extralife
10-24-2010, 04:32 PM
The REALLY sad part: It was even worse than the scoreboard reflected

I don't even know how this could possibly be the truth, and yet it completely is.

txtebow
10-24-2010, 04:32 PM
The REALLY sad part: It was even worse than the scoreboard reflected

Indeed. We were not competitive even form the openning KO.

Dogsweat
10-24-2010, 04:32 PM
Over 30,000 Raider Fans at Inesco-- celebrate as their team crushes the Broncos.
Many people could not believe they were at a Bronco home game. Raider Fans took over in the first quarter and tormented and bullied any Bronco fan in their way.
Will the Broncos ever have home field against the Raiders?

24champ
10-24-2010, 04:32 PM
You could very well be right, 24, we'll see. We'll see how they respond against SF. This team needs a BIG win where they absolutely trash the opponent in the WORST way. Alot of this is about self confidence. They need a big shot in the arm. If they don't come out with a great performance in London, it could get ugly. Hopefully, we can bounce back against SF.

It could get ugly, bottom line is that the division is slipping away from us with this loss. SF is actually a must win game, and who knows how that will turn out. Usually Wembley has a crappy field, so that won't help. On the other hand, with the long travel and circus, it might do them some good to be out of Denver this week.

SoCalBronco
10-24-2010, 04:32 PM
Go take your CD4 count PHAG.

Dude...there's no reason to attack a poster's sexual orientation because they disagree with you. Take awhile to think this over...like a couple months.

Broncoman13
10-24-2010, 04:33 PM
Honestly curious what you're alluding to here. I really don't think the absence of Jay Cutler or Brandon Marshall were a deciding factor here. McD, for all the issues he's had and mistakes he's made, can't be accused of gutting us of any defensive talent. The o-line is rough, but the youth movement was a necessity at this point in time.

Cutler, Marshall, Scheffler, Hillis, Bobby Turner, Rick Dennison, Mike Nolan... you get the idea.

59-14 and an estimated 40,000 'fans' left before halftime... vs a mediocre football team and a division rival no less.

DJ moves to OLB and forgets to cover the TE. Coaching decision to move him from the inside to the outside. Oh, and how did that run D look? Martindale is in over his head and it appears that McD is too soft to have coaches on his staff that challenge him.

Miss I.
10-24-2010, 04:33 PM
I don't think I have ever been more embarrassed about a game than this one. I stopped watching at 28-0.

We have supplanted Oakland as the joke of the division and league.

If you cannot rally the troops after a solid effort and tough loss at home to the Jets to play against a division rival that happens to be your greatest rival historically...then you should be fired.

I supported the guy until today. I will still support the team until the day I die but McD has lost me.

I agree with the above.

I don't agree that we gutted our talent as others have said because I can also see the things McDaniels did well with our offense. Prior to today, what he did with Orton and the receivers was very good, but all that says is he is a very good QB coach and perhaps a very good offensive line coach (though by today's game I don't know).

I believe the situation with Cutler was mishandled, but I think that was on both sides. Cutler also acted like an ass. I think he has been able to make things work with other receivers and there at first appeared to be improvements in our defense.

However, today cut us down to size. We still have too many gaps he hasn't dealt with and the injuries didn't help that situation.

I also do think, we went in overconfident and underestimated the Raiders, thus were unprepared for this slaughter. Any division rival is going to be tough and the Raiders, even with their seriously sad past couple of seasons have beaten us soundly before.

I expect, unless a serious miracle gets pulled out, KC will take the division with the 2nd being for now the Raiders, but I still think San Diego could pose a challenge to that.

It's time to look forward though. Bastages better win at Wembley next week. Those damn tickets were not cheap. ;D But who the hell knows, we still have more than half a season to pull our heads out of our collective arses. ;D

TonyR
10-24-2010, 04:33 PM
Hey, look at the bright side, we didn't give up any points in the 4th quarter...

extralife
10-24-2010, 04:33 PM
The loser bowl in London gets to determine which team keeps its coach.

gunns
10-24-2010, 04:33 PM
I've been a fan of the Broncos for 40 years, during some very bad times, and I cannot say I have ever been ashamed of the Broncos. I am ashamed. There wasn't even a team on the field with the Raiders.

txtebow
10-24-2010, 04:34 PM
Dude...there's no reason to attack a poster's sexual orientation because they disagree with you. Take awhile to think this over...like a couple months.

DUDE. He called me a 'bitch' first--check the thread.

that is insulting in itself.

SonOfLe-loLang
10-24-2010, 04:35 PM
Yes they are.

No one is scared of Kyle Orton.

Per usual, you sound like a ****ing idiot. No one is saying he's Peyton Manning, but my God, he is not the problem with this team. To even THINK he's the scapegoat is asinine...then again, look who i'm talking to

oubronco
10-24-2010, 04:35 PM
Thats enough, jerk.

Someone ban this clown.

and take that skunk clown too

fontaine
10-24-2010, 04:35 PM
You're all wrong.

The power blocking scheme with our OL/RB coaches is so much better than the old ZBS on paper. Who needs a freakin' running game anyway.

Cassius Vaughn, Syd, Nate freakin Jones are all going to go on to have pro bowl years compared to A Smith.

Quinn/Gronkowski have rocking hairstyles. So much better than Hillis who's too stupid to do anything than run the ball like his very life depends on it.

JD Walton, this guy is so good that he didn't even need a veteran to truely compete against.

Letting Turner/Dennison walk was the best thing for this franchise. I mean seriously, what did those guys ever contribute to the passing game.

And Richard Quinn is inactive for a reason. I can't get into that right now because it's classified but that's all you need to know.

Don't forget Jarvis Green. He, uh, gave great back rubs?

Broncoman13
10-24-2010, 04:35 PM
at least those Chargers teams were decent.

True, but we weren't a 2-4 team either. Pretty sure we were leading the division by two games when we took that thumping. At least this time I knew going in that we weren't a very talented team.

broncofan2438
10-24-2010, 04:35 PM
Wow are we really one of those teams?

Archer81
10-24-2010, 04:36 PM
Hey you called me a 'b****' 1st ;O)


I suppose calling someone's life worthless isnt an insult in stupid bitch town. You, however decided from the moment you read my initial post to attack me personally rather than post something insightful or meaningful in response.

So therefore, you are a stupid bitch.

Its a game, you cretin. No one on this board has any control over anything the Denver Broncos do on or off the field. You can choose not to support them by not going to games or buying jerseys. At the end of the day you remain a fan, regardless of how awesome a GM you are on Madden. Broncos played poorly, came out flat and got their ass handed to them. It happens from time to time to EVERY team.

So why dont you chill the **** out and grow up.

:Broncos:

TheProfessor
10-24-2010, 04:36 PM
Sad thing is, another coach will be another few years of rebuilding.

Right now, I'm not sure what I believe in more. Another season or 2 with this kid or another gamble at a new coaching staff.

I've seen a lot of people in a lot of places saying the same thing.

"Games like this one get coaches fired!" -

Quoydogs
10-24-2010, 04:36 PM
It could get ugly, bottom line is that the division is slipping away from us with this loss. SF is actually a must win game, and who knows how that will turn out. Usually Wembley has a crappy field, so that won't help. On the other hand, with the long travel and circus, it might do them some good to be out of Denver this week.

The Division is over ! We just got out asses handed to us by one of the worst teams in the NFL..

theAPAOps5
10-24-2010, 04:37 PM
McD lost me today. I can't defend this garbage that is barfing itself on the field. This is basically the same team that's been here for four years. A garbage team that gets embarrassed at home to division rivals. The "defense" sucks. The "offense" sucks and special teams sucks.

The Broncos are terrible and it's pretty clear McDaniels doesn't know how to fix it. I give him an A for effor and a D- for results. If he even lasts into next season unless we win more than 11 games and win at least one playoff game he's toast.

Yep, I took a nap. He has lost me.

epicSocialism4tw
10-24-2010, 04:37 PM
DUDE. He called me a 'b****' first--check the thread.

that is insulting in itself.

You went over the line.

SoCalBronco
10-24-2010, 04:37 PM
It could get ugly, bottom line is that the division is slipping away from us with this loss. SF is actually a must win game, and who knows how that will turn out. Usually Wembley has a crappy field, so that won't help. On the other hand, with the long travel and circus, it might do them some good to be out of Denver this week.

I hear you, 24 and I know the division is gone. We're 2-5, we're not going anywhere, either way, but I don't think its wise to blow it all up again just a year and a month into things. This was horrible and hopefully they'll turn it around next week...good point that they prolly need to get out of the country altogether to just get focused on the game against SF. In that sense, the London game is a good thing. They need to just get away...get to work and be clear of everyone for the time being.

eddie mac
10-24-2010, 04:38 PM
103 points conceded in our last 2 home games against the Chiefs and Raiders. That's like having your bollocks ripped off one at a time with a rusty breadknife.

baja
10-24-2010, 04:38 PM
The REALLY sad part: It was even worse than the scoreboard reflected

LOL unbelievably this is true.

extralife
10-24-2010, 04:38 PM
we WILL see which team has players that want to keep their coach, next week.

BroncoBacker
10-24-2010, 04:38 PM
I've been a fan of the Broncos for 40 years, during some very bad times, and I cannot say I have ever been ashamed of the Broncos. I am ashamed. There wasn't even a team on the field with the Raiders.

+1 on this!!! They are a complete joke on the field! Who cares if they do go over to Webley and win? They are playing a SF team that has 1 win! Things are going south quickly and they were never even that far north in the first place!

SonOfLe-loLang
10-24-2010, 04:39 PM
The REALLY sad part: It was even worse than the scoreboard reflected

I've never actually stopped watching a broncos game before the first quarter ended simply because i was disgusting with their play. I did today.

Archer81
10-24-2010, 04:41 PM
I've never actually stopped watching a broncos game before the first quarter ended simply because i was disgusting with their play. I did today.


Makes two of us.


:Broncos:

fontaine
10-24-2010, 04:41 PM
I think you guys are being too harsh.

Come on, McDaniels has only had 10 picks in the first three rounds his first two seasons here. God knows that's not nearly enough to grab difference makers like Richard Quinn and Alphonso Smith.

RaiderH8r
10-24-2010, 04:41 PM
So this season's shot in the arse but at least we can look forward to a bye week after we play SF. Even this club can't manage a loss in the bye week.

Miss I.
10-24-2010, 04:42 PM
+1 on this!!! They are a complete joke on the field! Who cares if they do go over to Webley and win? They are playing a SF team that has 1 win! Things are going south quickly and they were never even that far north in the first place!

1. It's Wembley.
2. We should get every win we can so it is important.
3. We still have the rest of the season to play, including another Raiders match up so let's at least try not to give up.
4. yes, today sucked, a lot, but again, being a fan is probably a bit like being married, for better or worse and unfortunatley today was worse.

eddie mac
10-24-2010, 04:43 PM
This is McDaniels team now. He lives by the sword he has to die by the sword.

Some talk about a new coach would take another couple of years of rebuilding.

In all honesty does anyone really believe that McDaniels can take this team anywhere within the next 2 years. Today was just KC all over again from week 17 but only worse.

Boobs McGee
10-24-2010, 04:43 PM
http://cdn.guyism.com/wp-content/uploads/a-great-set-of-abs.jpg
http://colorburned.com/imagesgalleryimages/The%20Salute.jpg
http://www.anthonymcaruso.com/New%20Site%20Pics/FireHeartEmber.jpg

http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/2008/8/27aug08_perfect-ass.jpg

(abs, salute, ember, ass)

TonyR
10-24-2010, 04:44 PM
What I can't figure out is why we play our worst games against our division rivals? I mean, we looked pretty good against the Jets, somewhat hung with Baltimore until the 4th quarter, beat Tennessee and Seattle, etc. But we seem to chit the bed against bad Raiders and Chiefs teams. What's up with that?

Broncomutt
10-24-2010, 04:45 PM
The REALLY sad part: It was even worse than the scoreboard reflected

Oakland certainly scaled they're offense back once they were past 50 points. Pretty sad when you start getting mercy from a coach that likes to slap women around.thwack

SonOfLe-loLang
10-24-2010, 04:45 PM
Over 30,000 Raider Fans at Inesco-- celebrate as their team crushes the Broncos.
Many people could not believe they were at a Bronco home game. Raider Fans took over in the first quarter and tormented and bullied any Bronco fan in their way.
Will the Broncos ever have home field against the Raiders?

Yeah, that was the problem today...raiders fans

Gort
10-24-2010, 04:46 PM
http://cdn.guyism.com/wp-content/uploads/a-great-set-of-abs.jpg
http://colorburned.com/imagesgalleryimages/The%20Salute.jpg
http://www.anthonymcaruso.com/New%20Site%20Pics/FireHeartEmber.jpg

http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/2008/8/27aug08_perfect-ass.jpg

(abs, salute, ember, ass)

http://www.gianninewyork.com/assets/images/product-MintCC.jpg

(mint)

gyldenlove
10-24-2010, 04:47 PM
Yall need to calm the **** down for a second. (Was that appropriate usage of yall?)

I can't believe I have to be the voice of reason here, today was abysmal and a complete and utter embarrassment. But this was 1 game, the game we played last week was also 1 game, ultimately the 2 games were of almost identical importance, the result was the same, but the effort was very different. Remember that exactly 1 week ago, we outplayed one of the best teams in the league. This team is not good enough or well coached enough to be a playoff team, that is obvious, but we are also not a team that game after game get our asses kicked.

When a few days have gone by, and they will, and you have put this behind you, and you will, the realization that this was one bad loss, which goes with the other bad losses we have suffered over the last few years, and it will sink in this this will not be the yardstick by which the current team or coaching staff is measured.

Was today potentially the worst game played by the Broncos in the last decade? yes.
Do you fire your coaching staff for the result of one game? no.

To me it is quite obvious what has to happen, Bowlen has to sit Mcdaniels down, and in very clear terms explain to him that unless things improve, significantly from this Sunday on, there will be people who will be looking for jobs when this season is over. He also has to tell Mcdaniels that the offensive line and the defense, are on very short leashes, and if he has to he will take steps to change up the coaching of those units.

Mcdaniels is not responsible for Orton throwing a TD to an Oakland CB on the first pass, he is not responsible for Thomas not having enough ball security yet (did I say so or what), those are bad plays made by the players on the field.

What we have to see now, is that the team is going the right direction, sadly it has not seemed that way so far under Mcdaniels reign, but he has to be put on notice right now, that it will be a requirement for his continued employment to see improvement.

DarkHorse30
10-24-2010, 04:47 PM
horrible performance by the team - and I blame McDaniels.

He absolutely fails at getting his team ready for division opponents. I'm beginning to think he was a joke that Belichek played on Denver since he couldn't beat them.

I was thinking as the Raiders were marching down for their first score, "Hmmmmm, this looks familiar" - and then in the span of a few plays we are down another 14 points. Where is this offensive genius? Where is the playcalling that is supposed to bring us back in this game? He's a pup and Denver is stuck with him, because Bowlen won't fire him. If this was the first time a division rival had embarrassed his team at home, I might give him a pass. But I can't really remember a time that Denver had HFA in the last year or so.

This tendency for McDaniels to ill-prepare his team for division rivals makes the team/players nearly unwatchable.

Rock Chalk
10-24-2010, 04:47 PM
Hey you called me a 'b****' 1st ;O)

Yeah but then you called a homosexual a fag.

Bannable.

Popps
10-24-2010, 04:47 PM
What I can't figure out is why we play our worst games against our division rivals? I mean, we looked pretty good against the Jets, somewhat hung with Baltimore until the 4th quarter, beat Tennessee and Seattle, etc. But we seem to chit the bed against bad Raiders and Chiefs teams. What's up with that?

Yea, I had a bad feeling about this game. Let-down syndrome.
We could have responded two ways after last week.

This wasn't the right choice.

RaiderH8r
10-24-2010, 04:48 PM
Oakland certainly scaled they're offense back once they were past 50 points. Pretty sad when you start getting mercy from a coach that likes to slap women around.thwack

Women put up more of a fight than this bunch of ghunts.

chawknz
10-24-2010, 04:49 PM
Nothing to defend here either. This was as bad as bad gets.

SoCalBronco
10-24-2010, 04:49 PM
http://cdn.guyism.com/wp-content/uploads/a-great-set-of-abs.jpg
http://colorburned.com/imagesgalleryimages/The%20Salute.jpg
http://www.anthonymcaruso.com/New%20Site%20Pics/FireHeartEmber.jpg

http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/2008/8/27aug08_perfect-ass.jpg

(abs, salute, ember, ass)

Rep for creativity. :strong:

WolfpackGuy
10-24-2010, 04:49 PM
Explain this Douchebag lovers...

~Crash~
10-24-2010, 04:51 PM
Whether it was home or away, allowing that Campbell led Raider team to score 59 on you is pretty pathetic.

I'm not really sure McD gets fired tonight or tomorrow, I highly doubt it. I have to think this could be the beginning of the end for McDaniels. One thing to keep in mind are the available candidates, I am not sure there is anyone good to step in at this point, much less replace McDaniels at the end of the year.

I don't think Cowher would come to Denver.

well Cowher has stated it is one of the best jobs in the NFL . he has made that statement recent .

BroncoBacker
10-24-2010, 04:51 PM
1. It's Wembley.
2. We should get every win we can so it is important.
3. We still have the rest of the season to play, including another Raiders match up so let's at least try not to give up.
4. yes, today sucked, a lot, but again, being a fan is probably a bit like being married, for better or worse and unfortunatley today was worse.

1. Sorry if I mis-spelled when I was typing!
2. We are going nowhere fast...what I was saying was that they SHOULD win the game. We SHOULD get every win....but the team sucks!
3. We got 59 points put up against us at home by the lowly Raiders!!! The team gave up, not me!
4. It's not getting any better....realize that and stop carrying your McD-bag doll everywhere.

ShutDownPoster
10-24-2010, 04:51 PM
The game hasn't even started yet and Frank Gore already has 150 yds. He's the kind of back that gives us fits - but after today's performance I guess it won't matter who's carrying the ball.

Archer81
10-24-2010, 04:53 PM
Explain this Douchebag lovers...


Its a frivilous game, stop acting like you are going to beat your wife because the team lost said frivilous game. We get it. You dont like the HC.

Thank you for your imput otherwise.

:Broncos:

eddie mac
10-24-2010, 04:53 PM
The game hasn't even started yet and Frank Gore already has 150 yds. He's the kind of back that gives us fits - but after today's performance I guess it won't matter who's carrying the ball.

If David Carr's playing we might be able to out a few more in the box.LOL

orinjkrush
10-24-2010, 04:53 PM
Yall need to calm the **** down for a second. (Was that appropriate usage of yall?)

I can't believe I have to be the voice of reason here, today was abysmal and a complete and utter embarrassment. But this was 1 game, the game we played last week was also 1 game, ultimately the 2 games were of almost identical importance, the result was the same, but the effort was very different. Remember that exactly 1 week ago, we outplayed one of the best teams in the league. This team is not good enough or well coached enough to be a playoff team, that is obvious, but we are also not a team that game after game get our asses kicked.

When a few days have gone by, and they will, and you have put this behind you, and you will, the realization that this was one bad loss, which goes with the other bad losses we have suffered over the last few years, and it will sink in this this will not be the yardstick by which the current team or coaching staff is measured.

Was today potentially the worst game played by the Broncos in the last decade? yes.
Do you fire your coaching staff for the result of one game? no.

To me it is quite obvious what has to happen, Bowlen has to sit Mcdaniels down, and in very clear terms explain to him that unless things improve, significantly from this Sunday on, there will be people who will be looking for jobs when this season is over. He also has to tell Mcdaniels that the offensive line and the defense, are on very short leashes, and if he has to he will take steps to change up the coaching of those units.

Mcdaniels is not responsible for Orton throwing a TD to an Oakland CB on the first pass, he is not responsible for Thomas not having enough ball security yet (did I say so or what), those are bad plays made by the players on the field.

What we have to see now, is that the team is going the right direction, sadly it has not seemed that way so far under Mcdaniels reign, but he has to be put on notice right now, that it will be a requirement for his continued employment to see improvement.

best post game post. agree. come to jesus meeting Monday morning Joshie.

Miss I.
10-24-2010, 04:54 PM
Women put up more of a fight than this bunch of ghunts.

Dear sir,
While I am a fan of your avatar, because Bruce Campbell as Ash is full of brilliant, I really need to ask you....what is a ghunt?
Respectfully,
Miss I.
:curtsey::egbgb:Ha!

Pendejo
10-24-2010, 04:54 PM
Yea, I had a bad feeling about this game. Let-down syndrome.
We could have responded two ways after last week.

This wasn't the right choice.

A let down after a loss?

Taco John
10-24-2010, 04:55 PM
McD lost me today. I can't defend this garbage that is barfing itself on the field. This is basically the same team that's been here for four years. A garbage team that gets embarrassed at home to division rivals. The "defense" sucks. The "offense" sucks and special teams sucks.

The Broncos are terrible and it's pretty clear McDaniels doesn't know how to fix it. I give him an A for effor and a D- for results. If he even lasts into next season unless we win more than 11 games and win at least one playoff game he's toast.



This is not the team that has been here for the last four years. This team is considerably worse.

TonyR
10-24-2010, 04:57 PM
Yall need to calm the **** down for a second. (Was that appropriate usage of yall?)

I can't believe I have to be the voice of reason here, today was abysmal and a complete and utter embarrassment. But this was 1 game...

Good post, thanks. And you're right. We are "overreacting" because of the opponent, the expectations, the disappointment, and the extent of what a debacle it was. All that said, it's a troubling loss no matter how you slice it. And it doesn't make sense considering how well we played much of last week against a very strong opponent. Our division rivals seem to bring out the worst in us for some reason.

Oh, and I think it's "y'all".

Archer81
10-24-2010, 04:59 PM
This is not the team that has been here for the last four years. This team is considerably worse.


So Shanahan's horrible losses are somehow less horrible then McDaniels horrible losses?


:Broncos:

Miss I.
10-24-2010, 04:59 PM
1. Sorry if I mis-spelled when I was typing!
2. We are going nowhere fast...what I was saying was that they SHOULD win the game. We SHOULD get every win....but the team sucks!
3. We got 59 points put up against us at home by the lowly Raiders!!! The team gave up, not me!
4. It's not getting any better....realize that and stop carrying your McD-bag doll everywhere.

1. the first item was meant to be funny. next time I will put a smilie to help. ;D
2. I concur
3. I agree, they did give up which is why I was trying to encourage you not to because it sounded like you had. If I misinterpreted, then I duly acknowledge.
4. As for your last point, I don't see how not giving up on the team, hoping for better things, equates to thinking McD is all that. If you had read any of my other posts, I already acknowledged, despite some appearances of improvement that he is not getting it done.

Anyway, no more for tonight it's 1am over here and I am tired and a bit depressed.

TonyR
10-24-2010, 04:59 PM
...Cowher...

People keep mentioning him but I think the odds he ends up in Denver quickly approach zero. I think there's a reason he still hasn't taken a job anywhere.

Taco John
10-24-2010, 04:59 PM
What we have to see now, is that the team is going the right direction...


I'm not yet convinced that this is the truth.

Taco John
10-24-2010, 05:00 PM
So Shanahan's horrible losses are somehow less horrible then McDaniels horrible losses?


:Broncos:


Shanahan never lost to the Raiders at home like this.

RaiderH8r
10-24-2010, 05:00 PM
Dear sir,
While I am a fan of your avatar, because Bruce Campbell as Ash is full of brilliant, I really need to ask you....what is a ghunt?
Respectfully,
Miss I.
:curtsey::egbgb:Ha!

Internet friendly usage of C U Next Tuesday.

baja
10-24-2010, 05:02 PM
So Shanahan's horrible losses are somehow less horrible then McDaniels horrible losses?


:Broncos:

Even I have to say this game is in a class all by it self.

I will reserve judgment until after the game next week.

Miss I.
10-24-2010, 05:03 PM
Internet friendly usage of C U Next Tuesday.

I thought so, but I was hoping it was grunts, because that word is the only word I hate more than "Raider."

Hulamau
10-24-2010, 05:03 PM
I'd pull the trigger tonight if it was up to me. Pack your **** !!

thank goodness its not up to you .... Bad as it was ... Josh gets until end of next year and is either our coach for the next decade or we're looking for Cower.

Gutless Drunk
10-24-2010, 05:03 PM
So Shanahan's horrible losses are somehow less horrible then McDaniels horrible losses?


:Broncos:

Not a whole lot of 4-13 stretches to find under Shanahan.

gyldenlove
10-24-2010, 05:04 PM
I'm not yet convinced that this is the truth.

You are not convinced that that we need for this team to start going in the right direction? damn this is a tougher crowd than I thought.

BroncoInferno
10-24-2010, 05:04 PM
Yep, I have to agree with the OP. I have been a Broncos fan for 18 years, and this is the most embarassing loss during that time. McD needs a strong late season push to get back in good graces as far as I'm concerned. At least a 6-3 finish. I feel any coach needs three years to get his program in order, but a strong better in store whenever football is played again after this season. And, jesus, why not give Tebow some experience in this game? There was nothing to lose. Even if he played bad, at least it would have been an experience builder. Pathetic. We bett er win next week in London.

24champ
10-24-2010, 05:05 PM
well Cowher has stated it is one of the best jobs in the NFL . he has made that statement recent .

Link?

BroncoInferno
10-24-2010, 05:05 PM
Shanahan never lost to the Raiders at home like this.

The loss in 2008 was embarassing, but I agree not as bad as this.

Taco John
10-24-2010, 05:05 PM
So Shanahan's horrible losses are somehow less horrible then McDaniels horrible losses?


:Broncos:

Actually, I'm kind of floored by this question. What is Shanahan's worse loss in your mind? I mean, we're looking here at possibly the worst team in the NFL putting up nearly 60 on us while our offense comes out completely unfocused and playing in a fog.

tebowisdabomb
10-24-2010, 05:06 PM
I don't think I have ever been more embarrassed about a game than this one. I stopped watching at 28-0.

We have supplanted Oakland as the joke of the division and league.

If you cannot rally the troops after a solid effort and tough loss at home to the Jets to play against a division rival that happens to be your greatest rival historically...then you should be fired.

I supported the guy until today. I will still support the team until the day I die but McD has lost me.


OAK 13 @ TEN 38 Ass Kicked all the way around
STL 14 @ OAK 16 Win
OAK 23 @ ARI 24 Lost on 32 yard fg miss in last seconds of game
HOU 31 @ OAK 24 still had a chance to win this game at the end and blew it
SD 27 @ OAK 35 Win vs the #1 offense in the NFL at the time even with 431 Yds from Rivers
OAK 9 @ SF 17 abosolute lay down game, 10.7 qb rating for Campbell, rumored he uses same locker JaMeatloaf did and got high at halftime from the Purple Drank Fumes.
OAK @ DEN 59-14 Enough Said

This team is 3-4 AND COULD JUST AS EASILY BE 5-2 or at the very least 4-3 right now

The Raiders Belong deny and poke fun at them all you want but they are for real, I am not predicting playoffs, a Superbowl or any crazy sht like that but they are not the same team as they were the last 7 years.

BroncoInferno
10-24-2010, 05:06 PM
Not a whole lot of 4-13 stretches to find under Shanahan.

I am discouraged, but I think McD should get one more season to see if he can get his program straight. Then, by all means, get rid of him if we don't have a strong year.

BroncoInferno
10-24-2010, 05:07 PM
OAK 13 @ TEN 38 Ass Kicked all the way around
STL 14 @ OAK 16 Win
OAK 23 @ ARI 24 Lost on 32 yard fg miss in last seconds of game
HOU 31 @ OAK 24 still had a chance to win this game at the end and blew it
SD 27 @ OAK 35 Win vs the #1 offense in the NFL at the time even with 431 Yds from Rivers
OAK 9 @ SF 17 abosolute lay down game, 10.7 qb rating for Campbell, rumored he uses same locker JaMeatloaf did and got high at halftime from the Purple Drank Fumes.
OAK @ DEN 59-14 Enough Said

This team is 3-4 AND COULD JUST AS EASILY BE 5-2 or at the very least 4-3 right now

The Raiders Belong deny and poke fun at them all you want but they are for real, I am not predicting playoffs, a Superbowl or any crazy sht like that but they are not the same team as they were the last 7 years.

Raiders are improved. but 59-14? Dude. That's indefensible.

BroncoInferno
10-24-2010, 05:08 PM
Actually, I'm kind of floored by this question. What is Shanahan's worse loss in your mind? I mean, we're looking here at possibly the worst team in the NFL putting up nearly 60 on us while our offense comes out completely unfocused and playing in a fog.

His last loss to SD was the worst. 52-21? But, yeah, not as bad as this.

DBroncos4life
10-24-2010, 05:09 PM
I am discouraged, but I think McD should get one more season to see if he can get his program straight. Then, by all means, get rid of him if we don't have a strong year.

lets just move on. He hasn't done anything in the NFL to warrant another year here in Denver.

Taco John
10-24-2010, 05:09 PM
You are not convinced that that we need for this team to start going in the right direction? damn this is a tougher crowd than I thought.

I must have misread what you said. There has been talk about Josh having this team going in the right direction. For my part, I've had moments where I have believed this, but other moments where I think we're actually tracking downwards and regressing.

As proud of the fight our team had in it last week, I'm doubly disgusted in it this week. To lose at home against the Raiders like this is unacceptable. The Raiders are a pathetic team, and to give them a 59 point victory on our field, and at our expense - I can't remember ever being this disgusted.

TheReverend
10-24-2010, 05:10 PM
So Shanahan's horrible losses are somehow less horrible then McDaniels horrible losses?


:Broncos:

Missed the game, eh?

Ratboy
10-24-2010, 05:11 PM
thank goodness its not up to you .... Bad as it was ... Josh gets until end of next year and is either our coach for the next decade or we're looking for Cower.

You really believe that? If Josh keeps dropping games, he won't even sniff next season.

If I were Pat Bowlen, I would meet up with Cowher to see if he would be interested.

extralife
10-24-2010, 05:11 PM
what pisses me off is we've had a loss like this every year for the last four years now. that's a joke. something needs to happen.

I just took a dump and I can confirm it pounded the ball in for seven on the broncos

BroncoInferno
10-24-2010, 05:11 PM
Certainly, if things completely snowball and we're like 3-13 or 4-12 by the end of the year, that could very well happen, but we haven't seen anything quite this bad all season....not even the Baltimore game, so to some extent its an outlier. It's not going to be a good year, however, any way you slice it, but I think he'll survive with 6-7 wins.

I agree. I think we at least do that ,and he gets another year to get his program straight. We'll see. He's done amazing work with the passing game, so that is encouraging. Journeyman having all-pro caliber seasons and such. And the injuries are beyond his control. But the stupid mistakes with back breaking TOs and penalties has to stop. He's got to get the team more disiplined.

tebowisdabomb
10-24-2010, 05:12 PM
Raiders are improved. but 59-14? Dude. That's indefensible.

They have had flashes of being unstoppable, they have been embarrassed and have under achieved this year and they just put it all together for one game, we could very well fall on our face again next week and look like the slug team we were against the 49'ers ..

Archer81
10-24-2010, 05:12 PM
Shanahan never lost to the Raiders at home like this.


True.

The Broncos did have a 48-16 loss to Oakland in 1994 at home. Not to mention recent (as in the last 4 years) losses to KC and SD.


:Broncos:

elsid13
10-24-2010, 05:12 PM
The loser bowl in London gets to determine which team keeps its coach.

Maybe we can trade head coaches.

Archer81
10-24-2010, 05:13 PM
Missed the game, eh?


So what is the difference?

Arent all losses horrible? Is there such a thing as a "good" loss?

:Broncos:

defenseman
10-24-2010, 05:13 PM
best post game post. agree. come to jesus meeting Monday morning Joshie.

the way they were chuckling in the middle of a debacle, I'd say they aren't really worried about a "come to jesus meeting" monday morning wouldn't you agree?.....they don't respect their fans or coaches is what I see with their laughter.....come to jesus is NOT enough in this particular scenario....more agressive tactics are required to restore some discipline and fear.......dman

Hulamau
10-24-2010, 05:13 PM
Yea, I had a bad feeling about this game. Let-down syndrome.
We could have responded two ways after last week.

This wasn't the right choice.

Me as well Popps, especiallly when I saw it was overcast. Somehow we ALWAYS seem to loos the the Fade at home when its overcast!?? Seems to sap all the mojo out of out team. Maybe its bechase the Fade live in Mordor and are used to it...

Thay had four very tough games in a row the last three of which were brutally physical and dessimated the starting defense. Royal was hobbling today tas well on offense then we lose cox and are down the the bottom of the barrel with Cassius (Alas, not 'Clay' unfortunately) at starting corner handlign them 14 more gift wrapped points in the second half..

Anyway, it was a field day after spotting them 31 points in the first quarter??

Last week they played way above themselves and Josh deserves all the credit for creative game planning that deserved to win that game as well. But after that devastating loss to the Jets and now the game film on our 4-3 D has been out there a week, there was no way to smoke and mirror our way out of the lack of available talent out there on D. .. the O line only playsa little better as well.

We've got to get well in a hurry and never again allow this kind of farce on the field. even if we don't win antoher game this year at least make the other team sweat for it!!~

BroncoInferno
10-24-2010, 05:14 PM
lets just move on. He hasn't done anything in the NFL to warrant another year here in Denver.

Any coach deserves three seasons to get his program implimented. I'm worried if we dump him after this season we'll regret it like the Raiders did getting rid of Shanny. These may bve growing pains that will be worth getting over. We'll see in the coming weeks. We're all down after this embarrassment, but there have otherwise been positive signs.

gunns
10-24-2010, 05:16 PM
Yall need to calm the **** down for a second. (Was that appropriate usage of yall?)

I can't believe I have to be the voice of reason here, today was abysmal and a complete and utter embarrassment. But this was 1 game, the game we played last week was also 1 game, ultimately the 2 games were of almost identical importance, the result was the same, but the effort was very different. Remember that exactly 1 week ago, we outplayed one of the best teams in the league. This team is not good enough or well coached enough to be a playoff team, that is obvious, but we are also not a team that game after game get our asses kicked.

When a few days have gone by, and they will, and you have put this behind you, and you will, the realization that this was one bad loss, which goes with the other bad losses we have suffered over the last few years, and it will sink in this this will not be the yardstick by which the current team or coaching staff is measured.

Was today potentially the worst game played by the Broncos in the last decade? yes.
Do you fire your coaching staff for the result of one game? no.

To me it is quite obvious what has to happen, Bowlen has to sit Mcdaniels down, and in very clear terms explain to him that unless things improve, significantly from this Sunday on, there will be people who will be looking for jobs when this season is over. He also has to tell Mcdaniels that the offensive line and the defense, are on very short leashes, and if he has to he will take steps to change up the coaching of those units.

Mcdaniels is not responsible for Orton throwing a TD to an Oakland CB on the first pass, he is not responsible for Thomas not having enough ball security yet (did I say so or what), those are bad plays made by the players on the field.

What we have to see now, is that the team is going the right direction, sadly it has not seemed that way so far under Mcdaniels reign, but he has to be put on notice right now, that it will be a requirement for his continued employment to see improvement.

It's stupid to call for McD to be fired for one game. BUT, I hope to hell Bowlen lights a fire under the young man and let's him know it is totally unacceptable to put a team like that on the field and allow the Raiders to come into the Broncos home and use it at will.

Regardless of whether McD is responsible for an INT or any of the other assorted ****ty ass plays, he is the coach and is held responsible. Personally I think it's time to start looking at some of the other coaches on the team and light a ****ing bonfire under them too. And for God sake start spending some damn money and draft picks on the defense. The best teams in the league have their defenses to thank. Wake the **** up Bowlen. And please don't use the injury excuse. Even teams with injuries look like they are trying and playing unlike that **** put on the field today.

DBroncos4life
10-24-2010, 05:17 PM
Any coach deserves three seasons to get his program implimented. I'm worried if we dump him after this season we'll regret it like the Raiders did getting rid of Shanny. These may bve growing pains that will be worth getting over. We'll see in the coming weeks. We're all down after this embarrassment, but there have otherwise been positive signs.

I don't see it. I don't think he was really a factor in what the Pats did during his years there.

ZONA
10-24-2010, 05:17 PM
I'm as upset as the next guy about this game but everthing went Oaklands way and nothing went our way. Yes, this team is pathetic. Injuries everywhere and I do allow for some small amount of misfortune because of that but still, even scrubs should not get drilled at home 59-14. I mean, that was like Alabama playing East Chattanooga State. This season IS officially over and I don't care what anybody else says. Let's hear those "but we're only 3 games out in our division" guys jump on in here and get positive. I think we lost a few more players today to injury. It's beyond comical, it's basically unreal how injured this team is on defense. I think it's foolish however to call for the coaches head when he's only been here for 1.25 seasons, espeically with the amount of injuries he's had to deal with. But he is certainly losing ground very fast. Broncos just got frickin whooped today, got their asses beat down, it happens, not to this extent, but it happens. Raiders will probably go out next week and lose. Just a crap division all the way around right now. KC's playing better but they still don't scare anybody.

extralife
10-24-2010, 05:18 PM
We would have lost to Boise State today.

Hell, we might have lost to Colorado State today.

Hulamau
10-24-2010, 05:19 PM
Any coach deserves three seasons to get his program implimented. I'm worried if we dump him after this season we'll regret it like the Raiders did getting rid of Shanny. These may bve growing pains that will be worth getting over. We'll see in the coming weeks. We're all down after this embarrassment, but there have otherwise been positive signs.

Ditto, good post BI

BroncoInferno
10-24-2010, 05:20 PM
I don't see it. I don't think he was really a factor in what the Pats did during his years there.

How can you say that? He took Brady and that offense from an efficient level to record breaking. He took a QB with no starts since HS and made him look solid. In Denver, career jouyrneyman level players like Orton, Gaffney and Lloyd are putting up Pro Bowl level numbers. At the very least, he's proven his genius as a passing game designer and QB coach. Everything else obviously needs improvement.

gyldenlove
10-24-2010, 05:22 PM
I must have misread what you said. There has been talk about Josh having this team going in the right direction. For my part, I've had moments where I have believed this, but other moments where I think we're actually tracking downwards and regressing.

As proud of the fight our team had in it last week, I'm doubly disgusted in it this week. To lose at home against the Raiders like this is unacceptable. The Raiders are a pathetic team, and to give them a 59 point victory on our field, and at our expense - I can't remember ever being this disgusted.

Maybe it wasn't clear, what I meant is that Mcdaniels has the remaining games to show that the team is heading in the right direction - I didn't mean to imply that he has shown that already.

Taco John
10-24-2010, 05:24 PM
Losing like this to Oakland, I'll be suprised if Josh is anything more than a lame duck at this point. I'm not saying that we should fire him, but I wonder how effective he's going to be and whether we're just spinning our wheels giving him another season.

If I were sitting on the controls of this team, I'd let Josh know that he's on notice and that if the team doesn't show noticable improvement between now and the end of the season, the Broncos organization will have to make a move in another direction. I don't think the Broncos organization can just sit back at this point and say "another season." Josh has to earn it.

Sassy
10-24-2010, 05:24 PM
It's stupid to call for McD to be fired for one game. BUT, I hope to hell Bowlen lights a fire under the young man and let's him know it is totally unacceptable to put a team like that on the field and allow the Raiders to come into the Broncos home and use it at will.

Regardless of whether McD is responsible for an INT or any of the other assorted ****ty ass plays, he is the coach and is held responsible. Personally I think it's time to start looking at some of the other coaches on the team and light a ****ing bonfire under them too. And for God sake start spending some damn money and draft picks on the defense. The best teams in the league have their defenses to thank. Wake the **** up Bowlen. And please don't use the injury excuse. Even teams with injuries look like they are trying and playing unlike that **** put on the field today.

:approve:

baja
10-24-2010, 05:26 PM
Maybe it wasn't clear, what I meant is that Mcdaniels has the remaining games to show that the team is heading in the right direction - I didn't mean to imply that he has shown that already.

Yes there is heightened pressure for him to do that now.

If the team quits down the stretch than you gotta start to think about your options.

TheReverend
10-24-2010, 05:27 PM
So what is the difference?

Arent all losses horrible? Is there such a thing as a "good" loss?

:Broncos:

When our arch rival and perpetual NFL bottom feeder actually feels bad for us and pulls their starters with a full quarter to go, yeah, it's a new height of horrible.

BroncoInferno
10-24-2010, 05:29 PM
Losing like this to Oakland, I'll be suprised if Josh is anything more than a lame duck at this point. I'm not saying that we should fire him, but I wonder how effective he's going to be and whether we're just spinning our wheels giving him another season.

If I were sitting on the controls of this team, I'd let Josh know that he's on notice and that if the team doesn't show noticable improvement between now and the end of the season, the Broncos organization will have to make a move in another direction. I don't think the Broncos organization can just sit back at this point and say "another season." Josh has to earn it.

I somewhat agree. He had tough hand dealt him this year with he injuries. Still that doesn't excuse today. But if we end up, say, 4-12, yeah ,he's gotta go. Something like 7-9 or 8-8, give him one more go at it.

fontaine
10-24-2010, 05:31 PM
Yes there is heightened pressure for him to do that now.

If the team quits down the stretch than you gotta start to think about your options.

The team already quit today. The OL was letting through blockers that nearly decapitated Moreno and continiously harassed Orton in the 4th quarter.

Not to mention the defense that just gave up in the 2nd half until Cable mercifully called off his starters.

LongDongJohnson
10-24-2010, 05:36 PM
This is what happens when you gut talent.

yeah mcdaniels is an idiot for benching dawkins, ayers, dumervil, goodman. doesnt he realize that we need those defensive talents?

plus he's a fool for trading cutler and his 4 picks.

baja
10-24-2010, 05:37 PM
The team already quit today. The OL was letting through blockers that nearly decapitated Moreno and continiously harassed Orton in the 4th quarter.

Not to mention the defense that just gave up in the 2nd half until Cable mercifully called off his starters.

I look at the Jets game and I look at todays game and what I come away with is I'm going to be watching carefully as to which team shows up next week. If the coaching staff can't get these guys to show up in London then we got systemic problems.

SJ Bronco
10-24-2010, 05:37 PM
When our arch rival and perpetual NFL bottom feeder actually feels bad for us and pulls their starters with a full quarter to go, yeah, it's a new height of horrible.

Yeah, people are losing sight of the fact that the Raiders aren't that good. They lost to the niners last week! That QB that just shredded us? had the worst QB rating ever last week. That Oline that just beat the hell out of us, was missing 2 starters and wasn't very good to begin with. I mean, we should be concerned. This isn't just another loss. I mean, how many times has a pathetic raider team come into Mile high and made us work for it. It's a rivalry! We didn't show up! That's the head coach. They were NOT prepared.

originalsultan
10-24-2010, 06:15 PM
at least those Chargers teams were decent.

Yeah, at first I was thinking "well, we got beat pretty bad by the Chargers at home a few years ago". And then I remembered that that Chargers team was pretty good, won the division, made the playoffs, etc.

This Raiders team, I'm sorry, is a bad team. There's no way around it. Coming into the game they were a bad team by essentially every statistical measure. And they absolutely destroyed us.

You lose games to good teams. Heck, every now and then you even lose games badly to good teams, especially on the road.

But this game was against a bad team. Not even an average team. A bad, bad team. And it was at home. And it wasn't close. Wasn't even the 'embarrassing' 10, 14, or 17 point loss type of game. We lost by 45 points.

Just disgraceful.

gyldenlove
10-24-2010, 06:19 PM
Yes there is heightened pressure for him to do that now.

If the team quits down the stretch than you gotta start to think about your options.

True, right now the onus is very much on Mcdaniels to show that his program is working, it doesn't have to produce playoffs, but it has to produce progress, if we do not win some games at some point this season, Bowlen could be forced to look elsewhere to start a rebuild of the rebuild.

Rabb
10-24-2010, 06:23 PM
Losing like this to Oakland, I'll be suprised if Josh is anything more than a lame duck at this point. I'm not saying that we should fire him, but I wonder how effective he's going to be and whether we're just spinning our wheels giving him another season.

If I were sitting on the controls of this team, I'd let Josh know that he's on notice and that if the team doesn't show noticable improvement between now and the end of the season, the Broncos organization will have to make a move in another direction. I don't think the Broncos organization can just sit back at this point and say "another season." Josh has to earn it.

agree 100%

one thing I always appreciated about Shanny was we didn't lose to Oakland often

I could have handled this from the Jets last week much better than it being Oakland this week

I am sorry, maybe I am just too much of a purist here but if there is a minimum requirement even if we have a bad season...it's beat Oakland, KC and San Diego as much as possible...and at home especially

I'm just pissed, and this one is going to stick for a while...easily tops any loss from last year by a longshot

epicSocialism4tw
10-24-2010, 06:27 PM
We didnt even look like an NFL team. This was like DIII college against a pro team.

Bronco X
10-24-2010, 08:11 PM
This has been a hard team to root for these last few years. Every year they embarrass us at home. Now more than once a year. Detachment seems like a reasonable option over getting invested in this.

Eldorado
10-24-2010, 08:16 PM
There is no defending this period.

My first contribution post loss.


+1.

GreeleyGrizzley
10-24-2010, 09:12 PM
I don't think I have ever been more embarrassed about a game than this one. I stopped watching at 28-0.

We have supplanted Oakland as the joke of the division and league.

If you cannot rally the troops after a solid effort and tough loss at home to the Jets to play against a division rival that happens to be your greatest rival historically...then you should be fired.

I supported the guy until today. I will still support the team until the day I die but McD has lost me.

I have to agree with you my friend. I loved the emotion he showed last year after beating NE, and on the side line vs the Giants, but in all reality, that's all I've liked the entire time he's been here. That emotion...where was it today? Nobody showed it, and that shows me a lot about this coach and how these players react to adversity.

mhgaffney
10-24-2010, 09:21 PM
I thought Marcus Thomas played well.

That's the only positive thing I can think to say.

Is this the bottom?

RaiderH8r
10-24-2010, 09:27 PM
I thought so, but I was hoping it was grunts, because that word is the only word I hate more than "Raider."

I don't use it lightly but, frankly, it is the most accurate word to describe the team that took the field today.

Popps
10-24-2010, 09:32 PM
Losing like this to Oakland, I'll be suprised if Josh is anything more than a lame duck at this point. I'm not saying that we should fire him, but I wonder how effective he's going to be and whether we're just spinning our wheels giving him another season.

If I were sitting on the controls of this team, I'd let Josh know that he's on notice and that if the team doesn't show noticable improvement between now and the end of the season, the Broncos organization will have to make a move in another direction. I don't think the Broncos organization can just sit back at this point and say "another season." Josh has to earn it.


I understand this, but I wonder how much improvement we can make with rookies learning on the job, no Doomervil-Dawkins-Ayers, a host of other key player injured and Clady looking like a shell of himself. (Wow, did he look bad today.)

I think what has to improve is execution and effort. If we lost every game the rest of the season, but played like we did LAST week... I think Bowlen remains confident.

But, a couple more games like this... and there's no question Bowlen is going to start getting restless. But, he's been around long enough to know that things take time, and circumstances play a big role in success.

You just can't disregard the fact that this team is a shell of what it should have been this year because of injuries. Our record sucks, but most games this year... I thought our game-plan/effort was where it should have been.
Today? Obviously not. It was a ****ing disaster.

I'll go on record as saying we won't have another game like this the rest of the season. Maybe I'm just hoping out loud, but this felt like a fluke game from the opening kickoff.

We shall see. I hope this thing pulls together because we have some talent on this team, and starting over again would really suck.

azbroncfan
10-24-2010, 09:34 PM
McD lost me today. I can't defend this garbage that is barfing itself on the field. This is basically the same team that's been here for four years. A garbage team that gets embarrassed at home to division rivals. The "defense" sucks. The "offense" sucks and special teams sucks.

The Broncos are terrible and it's pretty clear McDaniels doesn't know how to fix it. I give him an A for effor and a D- for results. If he even lasts into next season unless we win more than 11 games and win at least one playoff game he's toast.

Agreed he lost me today.

DBroncos4life
10-24-2010, 09:35 PM
How can you say that? He took Brady and that offense from an efficient level to record breaking. He took a QB with no starts since HS and made him look solid. In Denver, career jouyrneyman level players like Orton, Gaffney and Lloyd are putting up Pro Bowl level numbers. At the very least, he's proven his genius as a passing game designer and QB coach. Everything else obviously needs improvement.

I can say that because the Pats win without him. They won before him as well. BB is the mastermind of that team. Making players look good isn't what I want from my HC I want to win F'ing games and not get crushed by division rivals.

BMarsh615
10-24-2010, 09:41 PM
I don't see how you can pin this loss on McDaniels. It's not like he told the defense to leave Miller wide open for a 40 yard TD, he didn't tell Kyle to throw a pick six on his first throw of the game, and he certainly didn't tell Demaryius Thomas to fumble on the opening play of the next drive.

A coach is only as good as his players.

cutthemdown
10-24-2010, 09:42 PM
Come on you naysayers. Everything is fine, Broncos are on the right track, they aren't soft, they are physical enough, what happened to that homer spirit?

DBroncos4life
10-24-2010, 09:43 PM
I don't see how you can pin this loss on McDaniels. It's not like he told the defense to leave Miller wide open for a 40 yard TD, he didn't tell Kyle to throw a pick six on his first throw of the game, and he certainly didn't tell Demaryius Thomas to fumble on the opening play of the next drive.

A coach is only as good as his hand picked players players.

fixed

Broncomutt
10-24-2010, 09:43 PM
I don't see how you can pin this loss on McDaniels. It's not like he told the defense to leave Miller wide open for a 40 yard TD, he didn't tell Kyle to throw a pick six on his first throw of the game, and he certainly didn't tell Demaryius Thomas to fumble on the opening play of the next drive.

A coach is only as good as his players.

You should check out the post game press speech by McDaniels. He disagrees with you that coaching was not an issue.

His words, not mine.

cutthemdown
10-24-2010, 09:44 PM
If losing to the Raiders wasn't so sad this thread would probably make me laugh. Maybe tomorrow.

colonelbeef
10-24-2010, 09:47 PM
We can lead a thirsty & blind JACK A$$ to water but we cannot make you drink(and a minority of us tried).

Too bad it took a 59-14 BEATING for you and your brethren to realize the sordid path we were on.........

So true, and so mystifying.

How can some of you not have been able to see this coming?

McDaniels has been in over his head from the very beginning. Rookie mistake after egotistical blunder after epic failure with this administration.

9 men on the field during a game losing TD, fist pumping down the field after 5-0 en route to 2-8 down the stretch, the Cutler fiasco, the ill advised trades up and down the draft board to select useless players, the picks wasted on the offense which is now worse off than where it was instead of focusing on the defense, the atrocious run game, the running off of Mike Nolan for no apparent reason other than McEgo running amok...


This is what it takes for the fanboys to get it?

Put down the pom poms ladies, reality has set in.

Unreal.

BMarsh615
10-24-2010, 09:49 PM
fixed

Most of the players he has brought in I am pretty happy with. Players make mistakes, unfortunately these mistakes led to 21 points this time.

DBroncos4life
10-24-2010, 09:54 PM
Most of the players he has brought in I am pretty happy with. Players make mistakes, unfortunately these mistakes led to 21 points this time.

The Raiders called off the dogs after the 3rd Q. It's not like the game couldn't have been worse

broncocalijohn
10-24-2010, 09:56 PM
I don't see how you can pin this loss on McDaniels. It's not like he told the defense to leave Miller wide open for a 40 yard TD, he didn't tell Kyle to throw a pick six on his first throw of the game, and he certainly didn't tell Demaryius Thomas to fumble on the opening play of the next drive.

A coach is only as good as his players.

While your points are accurate and correct, he had no answer to counter the Raiders. You are 31 points behind so stop putting Orton under center and put him shotgun. We have been in situations where the running game hasnt worked and this is a time where you have to abandon it not on efficiancy but time left on the clock. He also used Tebow in a 2nd and 9 yard situation, what was that? When we were on the goal line, he didnt use him. In fact, putting Orton in the game at the beg. of the 4th quarter is out right stupid. Taking a chance on him getting hurt and ruin the rest of the season for what purpose when you are down by 38 points! I will say needing to put a lost puppy in the game like Vaughn and even Thompson doesnt help but it was beyond that. That was by far absolute embarrassing.

Killericon
10-24-2010, 09:58 PM
Come on you naysayers. Everything is fine, Broncos are on the right track, they aren't soft, they are physical enough, what happened to that homer spirit?

It takes a certain kind of fan to gloat after a loss like this.

colonelbeef
10-24-2010, 10:00 PM
It takes a certain kind of fan to gloat after a loss like this.

A smart, perceptive, correct one

Tombstone RJ
10-24-2010, 10:02 PM
I don't see how you can pin this loss on McDaniels. It's not like he told the defense to leave Miller wide open for a 40 yard TD, he didn't tell Kyle to throw a pick six on his first throw of the game, and he certainly didn't tell Demaryius Thomas to fumble on the opening play of the next drive.

A coach is only as good as his players.

All this tells me is the team was not prepared to play. The fact that the ass kicking continued for a full 4 quarters tells me this Broncos team quit today. That's the absolute worst thing that can happen to a team.

Can our Broncos regroup? Can they cut out the penalties, inconsistent defense, lack of a running game, piss poor redzone production, etc., etc.,

I dunno...

Rascal
10-24-2010, 10:11 PM
I don't see how you can pin this loss on McDaniels. It's not like he told the defense to leave Miller wide open for a 40 yard TD, he didn't tell Kyle to throw a pick six on his first throw of the game, and he certainly didn't tell Demaryius Thomas to fumble on the opening play of the next drive.

A coach is only as good as his players.

lol

Hulamau
10-24-2010, 10:16 PM
McDaniels is a ****ing idiot that thinks he's smarter than everyone else even though his results have been nothing but abysmal.... that a good enough reason?

You do realize Rev that if Josh goes this year Tebow is likely traded by the next coach to build up draft picks and bring in 'his' QB as well dont ya?? My understanding is most NFL coaches wouldnt want to hitch their star to Tebow in their new job.

Rascal
10-24-2010, 10:22 PM
You do realize Rev that if Josh goes this year Tebow is likely traded by the next coach to build up draft picks and bring in 'his' QB as well dont ya?? My understanding is most NFL coaches wouldnt want to hitch their star to Tebow in their new job.

Why would anybody give up draft picks for Tebow at this point? Until he proves something the most you will get is a third/fourth rounder. Teams that need a QB would prefer to pick the QB they want in next years draft.

wandlc
10-24-2010, 10:44 PM
KC Chiefs 2008 2-14, 2009 4-12, 2010 4-2
SL Rams 2008 2-14, 2009 1-15, 2010 3-4
NY Jets 2008 9-7, 2009 9-7, 2010 5-1
D Broncos 2008 8-8, 2009 8-8, 2010 2-4

If the Broncos lose 4 more games this year, it will confirm to me that McD was the wrong choice to coach this team. And I don't believe that a good caoch takes 3 years to show improvement, especially when he starts with a team that primarily needed the most improvement on one side of the ball and had an established O-line that just came off of a season allowing only 12 sacks. Today was embarrassing to say the least.

TheReverend
10-24-2010, 10:45 PM
You do realize Rev that if Josh goes this year Tebow is likely traded by the next coach to build up draft picks and bring in 'his' QB as well dont ya?? My understanding is most NFL coaches wouldnt want to hitch their star to Tebow in their new job.

I don't want him to go.

I want him to start fielding a prepared and inspired football team in every phase of the game. So basically, I want him to start treating every game like it's against the Patriots.

mkporter
10-24-2010, 11:02 PM
So true, and so mystifying.

How can some of you not have been able to see this coming?

McDaniels has been in over his head from the very beginning. Rookie mistake after egotistical blunder after epic failure with this administration.

9 men on the field during a game losing TD, fist pumping down the field after 5-0 en route to 2-8 down the stretch, the Cutler fiasco, the ill advised trades up and down the draft board to select useless players, the picks wasted on the offense which is now worse off than where it was instead of focusing on the defense, the atrocious run game, the running off of Mike Nolan for no apparent reason other than McEgo running amok...


This is what it takes for the fanboys to get it?

Put down the pom poms ladies, reality has set in.

Unreal.

Yeah because all of that competitive football this year was clearly leading to a debacle of this magnitude. How could we all have missed it? Except you of course. I think I'll take a pass on hating my own team, regardless of how bad today was. This was a gut check for the fans, too. We'll see how we respond going forward. Not everyone gave up when Cutler left town.

mkporter
10-24-2010, 11:03 PM
A smart, perceptive, correct one

One who'd rather be right than win.

mkporter
10-24-2010, 11:06 PM
Go take your CD4 count PHAG.

You were bad enough to have around before you let loose with this filth. Enjoy your time off. Thanks for making the ignore decision easier than usual.

Quoydogs
10-24-2010, 11:11 PM
I don't see how you can pin this loss on McDaniels. It's not like he told the defense to leave Miller wide open for a 40 yard TD, he didn't tell Kyle to throw a pick six on his first throw of the game, and he certainly didn't tell Demaryius Thomas to fumble on the opening play of the next drive.

A coach is only as good as his players.

So you take those out and we still got our asses kicked. Look I have been fine with McD and really I was still ok with him today until the last seconds of the game when his players Lloyd and somebody else were laughing and joking on the bench. That is a sign of disrespect and no pride.

That more then anything else pissed me off.

If he really was making this a team to be proud of then they would have been hanging there heads in disappointment just like every other true fan out there today.

It's a sad day when the fans have more respect for the team then the players on it do. thwack

driver
10-24-2010, 11:14 PM
I look at the Jets game and I look at todays game and what I come away with is I'm going to be watching carefully as to which team shows up next week. If the coaching staff can't get these guys to show up in London then we got systemic problems.

Agree If we get beat down in London too.. Man the season is over. he'll never get them back.

Popps
10-24-2010, 11:44 PM
I don't see how you can pin this loss on McDaniels. It's not like he told the defense to leave Miller wide open for a 40 yard TD, he didn't tell Kyle to throw a pick six on his first throw of the game, and he certainly didn't tell Demaryius Thomas to fumble on the opening play of the next drive.

A coach is only as good as his players.

Thing is, in a loss like this... fingers are going to point at the guy in charge.
It's understandable.

That said, I ask the same question. Why did guys just not do their job today?
I mean, was it something McDaniels did in practice this week that made Orton drop the ball going down? The pick?

The buck is always going to stop with the head coach. But, no one could do their job today. Individuals didn't do their jobs.

McD went up and took full responsibility for the loss, but there was a lot of blame to spread around.

colonelbeef
10-25-2010, 12:38 AM
One who'd rather be right than win.

Incorrect.

I, and Broncos fans like me who have an ability to separate fandom from observational reality, can see the situation for what it is, and actually want it to change, rather than root for an obvious loser.

We want to win, but happen to be right about the current loser. You hurt the team by defending and supporting losing.

colonelbeef
10-25-2010, 12:41 AM
Yeah because all of that competitive football this year was clearly leading to a debacle of this magnitude. How could we all have missed it? Except you of course. I think I'll take a pass on hating my own team, regardless of how bad today was. This was a gut check for the fans, too. We'll see how we respond going forward. Not everyone gave up when Cutler left town.

I have been saying that McDaniels is a debacle from the beginning.

I love the Broncos, and this is why I hate what McDaniels has done to the franchise.

You and the homers like you have been wrong- it's just that simple.

cutthemdown
10-25-2010, 12:59 AM
It takes a certain kind of fan to gloat after a loss like this.

Well when every time I said wow this defense stinks people would call me all sorts of stuff. Of course I am upset Broncos stink, but I was upset in off season as I watched team assembled. All I am doing now is pointing out the irony of the homers on this board.

mkporter
10-25-2010, 01:24 AM
Incorrect.

I, and Broncos fans like me who have an ability to separate fandom from observational reality, can see the situation for what it is, and actually want it to change, rather than root for an obvious loser.

We want to win, but happen to be right about the current loser. You hurt the team by defending and supporting losing.

Wow. We hurt the team by supporting them. You're right, I have being a fan all wrong. I'm not supporting or defending losing. I support the team. It's not that I don't see that the team has flaws, and that McD has made mistakes. I do. I would just rather root for the team to correct their flaws, and for Josh to improve as a coach, than hope that we continue to have debacles like today so that I can gloat about how my constant criticisms of my "favorite" team are justified.

Raider Bill
10-25-2010, 04:48 AM
You guys are in trouble if you make "Curly" Cable and Jason "Easy Like Sunday Morning" Campbell look good.

Cito Pelon
10-25-2010, 06:31 AM
I still have to see how the season plays out.

Cito Pelon
10-25-2010, 06:47 AM
I must have misread what you said. There has been talk about Josh having this team going in the right direction. For my part, I've had moments where I have believed this, but other moments where I think we're actually tracking downwards and regressing.

As proud of the fight our team had in it last week, I'm doubly disgusted in it this week. To lose at home against the Raiders like this is unacceptable. The Raiders are a pathetic team, and to give them a 59 point victory on our field, and at our expense - I can't remember ever being this disgusted.

It's been a long time since I was this disgusted. Hopefully, the team shows some backbone the rest of the season to make up for yesterday.

TheChamp24
10-25-2010, 07:03 AM
I see the optimists are finally seeing reality.
The reality is we have an extremely mediocre team at best that isn't showing improvements. Talk all you want about injuries, but they happen all the time. The important aspect is be able to have quality depth and be able to have a gameplan to hide the weakness. Remember back when we were starting Danny freakin Kanell against the soon to be Super Bowl champions? Heck, we also lost Elam in that game. But we almost won a game with Kanell starting against a very good Patriot team.
And the "offensive mastermind" of McDaniels, I haven't seen much of that. Our offense is okay, but nothing special. We have trouble running the ball, can't score in the red zone, and come out in a shotgun spread look on 4th and 1.

azbroncfan
10-25-2010, 07:09 AM
I see the optimists are finally seeing reality.
The reality is we have an extremely mediocre team at best that isn't showing improvements. Talk all you want about injuries, but they happen all the time. The important aspect is be able to have quality depth and be able to have a gameplan to hide the weakness. Remember back when we were starting Danny freakin Kanell against the soon to be Super Bowl champions? Heck, we also lost Elam in that game. But we almost won a game with Kanell starting against a very good Patriot team.
And the "offensive mastermind" of McDaniels, I haven't seen much of that. Our offense is okay, but nothing special. We have trouble running the ball, can't score in the red zone, and come out in a shotgun spread look on 4th and 1.

I also remember a similar loss to the Detroit Lions too except it wasn't at home against our rival.

driver
10-25-2010, 08:13 AM
I don't see how you can pin this loss on McDaniels. It's not like he told the defense to leave Miller wide open for a 40 yard TD, he didn't tell Kyle to throw a pick six on his first throw of the game, and he certainly didn't tell Demaryius Thomas to fumble on the opening play of the next drive.

A coach is only as good as his players.

A good coach gets the most from his players and uses them so they are the most effective for the team. Look at St Louis they have 1 good rookie QB. A good RB. A good MLB and a collection of also ran's. Teams at least respect them.

Rohirrim
10-25-2010, 08:21 AM
This defense couldn't get a pass rush against a team that was playing a TE at LT half the time. WTF? I mean seriously. WTF?

THE719!
10-25-2010, 08:23 AM
McD lost me today. I can't defend this garbage that is barfing itself on the field. This is basically the same team that's been here for four years. A garbage team that gets embarrassed at home to division rivals. The "defense" sucks. The "offense" sucks and special teams sucks.

The Broncos are terrible and it's pretty clear McDaniels doesn't know how to fix it. I give him an A for effor and a D- for results. If he even lasts into next season unless we win more than 11 games and win at least one playoff game he's toast.

McDaniels lost me at hello.... get a movie reference hahaha

cutthemdown
10-25-2010, 08:25 AM
You guys are in trouble if you make "Curly" Cable and Jason "Easy Like Sunday Morning" Campbell look good.

We even made the syrup drinker look good.

bronclvr
10-25-2010, 08:36 AM
Hopefully, Bowlen realizes before it is too late..

You mean it's not too late? too late for what?

Cito Pelon
10-25-2010, 08:44 AM
We even made the syrup drinker look good.

It's disgusting to see you cater to a Raider fan. Piss off, cut.

Rohirrim
10-25-2010, 08:45 AM
It's disgusting to see you cater to a Raider fan. Piss off, cut.

Cut has been wishing and hoping for this team to fail since Josh got here. He's just celebrating now.

Rock Chalk
10-25-2010, 08:45 AM
Actually, I'm kind of floored by this question. What is Shanahan's worse loss in your mind? I mean, we're looking here at possibly the worst team in the NFL putting up nearly 60 on us while our offense comes out completely unfocused and playing in a fog.

Are the Raiders the worst team in the NFL?

Their last 4 losses were by 8 points or less.

Its not like teams just blew them out or anything.

I certainly dont think the Raiders are a GOOD team but I think its an overstatement to say they are even possibly the worst team in the NFL.

Clearly they are better than Denver and it might be possible that Denver is the worst team in the NFL.

cutthemdown
10-25-2010, 08:48 AM
It's disgusting to see you cater to a Raider fan. Piss off, cut.

I was wondering how long it would take before the fans around here decided to start attacking me again. For a few hours no one quoted me because, well, I was right about everything I said.

Now all you attack saying I cater to Raider fans. Just pointing out that Broncos made Russell look good. For that reason I wouldn't be too excited if I was a Raider fan. Some team down the road going to whack them bad, they will lose a bunch of games, they won't make playoffs, and they won't be good next yr either.

For some reason though that doesn't make me feel better. Why? Because Broncos are just the same. We have become devoid of talent and the coaching staff can't get it done.

CEH
10-25-2010, 08:48 AM
Are the Raiders the worst team in the NFL?

Their last 4 losses were by 8 points or less.

Its not like teams just blew them out or anything.

I certainly dont think the Raiders are a GOOD team but I think its an overstatement to say they are even possibly the worst team in the NFL.

Clearly they are better than Denver and it might be possible that Denver is the worst team in the NFL.

Their D is pretty stout all the way through from Seymour to McLain to Aso and Johnson

Seymour threw Knowshown around like a rag doll on one play near the north end zone yesterday. I though damn there's noone on our team even close to that kind of strength

cutthemdown
10-25-2010, 08:52 AM
Cut has been wishing and hoping for this team to fail since Josh got here. He's just celebrating now.

That's just not true. I actually wanted Josh and said so from the start. I was wrong and know now why. The problem with a young coach is his network of other coaches and assistants he has worked with is not yet big enough. Mcdaniels wasnt able to assemble a staff good enough to help him coach the team. The team is poorly coached, which was noticeable when players aren't getting on field when they should be. Having less then 11 guys more then once in a season is bush league crap.

This blowout just the first time another team has played well vs Denver this yr. As the season goes, and they get more film on us, and other teams improve, and Broncos wear down, we will probably have a few more like this.

IMO KC will run the ball for 200 yrds east and we play them twice.

Cito Pelon
10-25-2010, 09:02 AM
Cut has been wishing and hoping for this team to fail since Josh got here. He's just celebrating now.

Yeah, it's one thing to criticize the team, it's a whole nother thing to cater to a Raider fan. The latter is just plain disgusting.

Crushaholic
10-25-2010, 09:07 AM
I'm so glad that I wasn't able to see the game. The Raiders are improving, but not by that much. Absolute embarrass...:oyvey:

cutthemdown
10-25-2010, 09:09 AM
Yeah, it's one thing to criticize the team, it's a whole nother thing to cater to a Raider fan. The latter is just plain disgusting.

Feel better yet?

Rabb
10-25-2010, 09:13 AM
even trying to justify the Raiders as a "not bad" team here makes me sick

I don't care if they are the 85' Bears good, we shouldn't be losing at home 59-14 to them and be ok with it under any circumstance

cdesignmaster
10-25-2010, 09:42 AM
In the thread titled "The NFL's first coaching casualty? CDesignMaster wrote... "The first to go should be McDaniels", to which Kaylore responds... "Yes because, being 2-3 is way worse than 0-4 or 0-5. Idiot."

Thank you Kaylore for joining the bandwagon.

cutthemdown
10-25-2010, 09:44 AM
Thank you Kaylore for joining the bandwagon.

Yep

Pony Boy
10-25-2010, 10:02 AM
"It's not personal, it's just business."

McD wears a Bronco hat because he's paid to........ Hes not doing his job and there is zero discipline on this team.

Dagmar
10-25-2010, 10:03 AM
Yep

Give him a reach around Raider fan.

Raider Bill
10-25-2010, 11:07 AM
Are the Raiders the worst team in the NFL?

Their last 4 losses were by 8 points or less.

Its not like teams just blew them out or anything.

I certainly dont think the Raiders are a GOOD team but I think its an overstatement to say they are even possibly the worst team in the NFL.

Clearly they are better than Denver and it might be possible that Denver is the worst team in the NFL.

The Raiders are plenty bad... Cambpell put up a worse stat line last week than Jamarcus ever did. They squeaked one out against the Rams

Rock Chalk
10-25-2010, 11:12 AM
The Raiders are plenty bad... Cambpell put up a worse stat line last week than Jamarcus ever did. They squeaked one out against the Rams

again, Im not saying they are a good team but I also do not believe they are the worst team in the NFL.

Cito Pelon
10-25-2010, 01:25 PM
I don't see how you can pin this loss on McDaniels. It's not like he told the defense to leave Miller wide open for a 40 yard TD, he didn't tell Kyle to throw a pick six on his first throw of the game, and he certainly didn't tell Demaryius Thomas to fumble on the opening play of the next drive.

A coach is only as good as his players.

It's not about the X's and the O's, it's about the Jimmy's and the Joe's.

TheReverend
10-25-2010, 01:28 PM
It's not about the X's and the O's, it's about the Jimmy's and the Joe's.

In his press conference he actually specifically said they didn't have Miller accounted for in that play, soooooooooooooooooo....

ColoradoDarin
10-25-2010, 01:40 PM
In his press conference he actually specifically said they didn't have Miller accounted for in that play, soooooooooooooooooo....

or he's covering for DJ so the press will rip him instead of the player.

Rabb
10-25-2010, 01:41 PM
looked to me like DJ released off the guy expecting help and didn't get it

who's mistake that was, I have no idea

CEH
10-25-2010, 01:53 PM
It's not about the X's and the O's, it's about the Jimmy's and the Joe's.

So we fired a guy who was a great game day coach but couldn't evaulate talent to save his job to replace him with a coach who can put together a great game plan for the most part but can't get the talent to execute his vision


Sounds like the problem may lie at the top with how the boss wants to run the organization. Seeing fans leave at halftime of a 38-7 rout is not good for a team that might be in penny pinching mode

lostknight
10-25-2010, 02:01 PM
So we fired a guy who was a great game day coach but couldn't evaulate talent to save his job to replace him with a coach who can put together a great game plan for the most part but can't get the talent to execute his vision


This team has never been able to do what Mike was almost always able to do - deliver a staggering number of nock out wins in the first quarter. Outside of this year, I don't think we even had back to back scoring drives at any point in the first three quarters last year (might be wrong here, but in general, the offense never got in a rhythm last year).


Sounds like the problem may lie at the top with how the boss wants to run the organization. Seeing fans leave at halftime of a 38-7 rout is not good for a team that might be in penny pinching mode

The team isn't pinching pennies. Even if the rumour was correct- that McDaniels was "forced" to select Alphonso Smith last year instead of having two number ones (which we got anyways this year), we spent a fortune on a d-line that was just made the laughingstock of the NFL.

colonelbeef
10-25-2010, 02:41 PM
I can say that because the Pats win without him. They won before him as well. BB is the mastermind of that team. Making players look good isn't what I want from my HC I want to win F'ing games and not get crushed by division rivals.

bingo.

how is it that people don't understand that Belichick and Brady are the reason that team stays relevant?

The coordinators are riding his coattails, nothing more. Tom Brady was on his way to being a HOF QB before McDaniels cleaned his first jock strap

Mile High Shack
10-25-2010, 02:47 PM
I don't even think Belichick is that great, I think Tom Brady is that good that he makes him look good.

Look at all of his assistants, they have sucked horribly as head coaches

Popps
10-25-2010, 02:57 PM
looked to me like DJ released off the guy expecting help and didn't get it

who's mistake that was, I have no idea

Yea, you'd think a TE running on that side would have to be DJ's responsibility.
Who knows.

But, we don't just "not account" for players with any defense we run. That's coach speak.

broncosteven
10-25-2010, 03:10 PM
In his press conference he actually specifically said they didn't have Miller accounted for in that play, soooooooooooooooooo....

mCd also said that Oakland showed them plays that were not on tape. Cable out witted mCd by saving plays just for this game.

mCd also said his gameplan was poor and he had nothing to counter with.

So even though they were down 0-21 with 50 minutes of football left they were rudderless.

Raider Bill
10-25-2010, 03:35 PM
In his press conference he actually specifically said they didn't have Miller accounted for in that play, soooooooooooooooooo....

That's just piss poor.. he represents half the people you have to account for when defending the Raiders. McFadden being the other. Louis Murrphy gets a grab here and there but for the most part if you can shut down Miller, you shut down the Raiders passing game.