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epicSocialism4tw
10-17-2010, 04:54 PM
I thought it was a nice adjustment that McD decided to use Tebow inside the 10. Tebow rewarded him by making plays, including the Broncos' first TD.

As they develop the package Tebow can maybe throw from it as well, but as of now this looks like the most potent weapon the Broncos have in the red zone. Dude has solid speed and excellent vision. He'll bulldoze for that extra yard as well.

This is just what he did at Florida. They had to find a way to put him on the field, and when they did he changed the landscape at UF forever. I'm interested to see how McD implements the Tebow factor from here forward. We may suck, but at least it will be fun to watch Tebow bulldoze some safeties! ;D

Rulon Velvet Jones
10-17-2010, 04:55 PM
I was just waiting for the one time he'd throw it out of the formation. I would have loved to see what would have come of that.

ro_50
10-17-2010, 04:56 PM
Yeah exactly, he needs to throw out of that formation at some point. McD has to take the reins at some point in those formations.

Popps
10-17-2010, 04:57 PM
Tebow clearly helped the offensive flow today. Great to see him out there contributing. What a boost that was for the team and fans.

Dr. Broncenstein
10-17-2010, 04:58 PM
McD clearly stated this was a retarded idea.

Broncomutt
10-17-2010, 04:59 PM
Would love to see him at least attempt a throw. But it was exciting to watch him play.

loborugger
10-17-2010, 05:00 PM
Tebow took advantage of a couple of things. First off, the Jets player that was supposed to contain him didnt. Secondly, our whole team got the running game going. I am glad he got his TD and all, but that is not gonna be routine play or a routine result, IMHO.

epicSocialism4tw
10-17-2010, 05:00 PM
I was just waiting for the one time he'd throw it out of the formation. I would have loved to see what would have come of that.

I think that what McD is doing is smart. He's letting Tebow get the feel of the game in the way that is easiest, most natural, and gets the fear of the sack out of the way. He's letting Tebow build on successes. Very smart.

I think that he'll continue that practice until he sees the defense adjust in the right way to give Tebow a clear opportunity to punish it with the pass. Then they'll utilize the throw.

Popps
10-17-2010, 05:16 PM
I think that what McD is doing is smart. He's letting Tebow get the feel of the game in the way that is easiest, most natural, and gets the fear of the sack out of the way. He's letting Tebow build on successes. Very smart.

I think that he'll continue that practice until he sees the defense adjust in the right way to give Tebow a clear opportunity to punish it with the pass. Then they'll utilize the throw.

He picks up positive yardage on almost every play. That alone is worth having.
Tough to bring down, and he forces defenses to prepare for a completely different look.

I love it. Glad we're finally seeing it, and I think a couple of those option/reverse type plays may end up panning out, because teams are just going to assume he'll run every play. (Not to mention play-action.)

extralife
10-17-2010, 05:18 PM
He really did look slow, but whatever.

SonOfLe-loLang
10-17-2010, 05:19 PM
He's very good at picking out running lanes. Keep doing it.

WolfpackGuy
10-17-2010, 05:20 PM
Having that extra blocker helps.

Just need to see some passes out of it though.

epicSocialism4tw
10-17-2010, 05:22 PM
He really did look slow, but whatever.

This is Tim Tebow we're talking about.

He has never gained yards with blazing speed. He punishes you with 4, 5, 6, 7 yard runs on critical downs to convert and he never goes down with the first hit. Thats what he did at Florida.

Its different than what you are used to from a running QB, but it was super effective at Florida and had some success today.

With as many negative running plays as we have been having, having a guy who can turn a 1-yard loss into a 3-yard gain is a MAJOR improvement.

epicSocialism4tw
10-17-2010, 05:23 PM
He's very good at picking out running lanes. Keep doing it.

I think you hit on one of his strengths. He sees the lane and hits it hard. He has the feet and the vision to make plays.

broncosteven
10-17-2010, 05:24 PM
McD clearly stated this was a retarded idea.

I have to find the thread but I thought mCd said we would not see Tebow (like we did today) this year, he said anyone who was expecting to see Tebow in the redzone out of the wildcat this year was a fool.

HooptyHoops
10-17-2010, 05:46 PM
We saw a lot of Tebow today and he flat out, didn't disappoint....I'm sure they will start to develop some throws out of that formation! And YES, he is the answer to our Red Zone woes!

extralife
10-17-2010, 05:58 PM
This is Tim Tebow we're talking about.

He has never gained yards with blazing speed. He punishes you with 4, 5, 6, 7 yard runs on critical downs to convert and he never goes down with the first hit. Thats what he did at Florida.

Its different than what you are used to from a running QB, but it was super effective at Florida and had some success today.

With as many negative running plays as we have been having, having a guy who can turn a 1-yard loss into a 3-yard gain is a MAJOR improvement.

yeah, I know exactly what he's about. we've had this argument several times.

just not crazy about taking our QB out of the game so we can gain three yards up the gut. I'd rather have Brad Smith at this point.

broncosteven
10-17-2010, 05:59 PM
This is Tim Tebow we're talking about.

He has never gained yards with blazing speed. He punishes you with 4, 5, 6, 7 yard runs on critical downs to convert and he never goes down with the first hit. Thats what he did at Florida.

Its different than what you are used to from a running QB, but it was super effective at Florida and had some success today.

With as many negative running plays as we have been having, having a guy who can turn a 1-yard loss into a 3-yard gain is a MAJOR improvement.

I thought he turned it on around the corner on the TD. Knowgain would have followed the pulling OL and the play would have been a 2 yard loss. Tebow was able to SEE there was nothing then turn on the jets and bounce it outside for an easy TD.

oubronco
10-17-2010, 06:00 PM
What was up with putting Tebow in and running the same play?

epicSocialism4tw
10-17-2010, 06:02 PM
I thought he turned it on around the corner on the TD. Knowgain would have followed the pulling OL and the play would have been a 2 yard loss. Tebow was able to SEE there was nothing then turn on the jets and bounce it outside for an easy TD.

Ha!

Aint that the truth.

You pretty much nailed it there.

As Tebow gets more experience and the coaches gain more confidence in him, it will be hard to keep him off the field at this point. Simply because of neccessity.

Bronco Yoda
10-17-2010, 10:39 PM
I'd like to see Tebow start holding for FG's.... for all the obvious reasons.

epicSocialism4tw
10-17-2010, 10:40 PM
I'd like to see Tebow start holding for FG's.... for all the obvious reasons.

That's actually not a bad idea.

strafen
10-17-2010, 10:42 PM
I thought it was a nice adjustment that McD decided to use Tebow inside the 10. Tebow rewarded him by making plays, including the Broncos' first TD.

As they develop the package Tebow can maybe throw from it as well, but as of now this looks like the most potent weapon the Broncos have in the red zone. Dude has solid speed and excellent vision. He'll bulldoze for that extra yard as well.

This is just what he did at Florida. They had to find a way to put him on the field, and when they did he changed the landscape at UF forever. I'm interested to see how McD implements the Tebow factor from here forward. We may suck, but at least it will be fun to watch Tebow bulldoze some safeties! ;DThis is how Tebow plays. It's not just in the red zone, he's always a threat to any defense when he's on the field.

Put him in there. I promise we won't be disappointed...

Taco John
10-17-2010, 10:44 PM
I'd like to see Tebow start holding for FG's.... for all the obvious reasons.

I'm pretty sure by "obvious reasons" you're talking about him being able to use the force to avoid errant snaps and shanks.

Boobs McGee
10-17-2010, 10:51 PM
I have to find the thread but I thought mCd said we would not see Tebow (like we did today) this year, he said anyone who was expecting to see Tebow in the redzone out of the wildcat this year was a fool.

haha that was me ...

http://orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=2949575&postcount=15

I was up in fairplay today visiting my mom, and didn't get to see but about 10 minutes of the game, so I don't know if they were using him in 3rd and 1 situations or not :D

Hogan11
10-17-2010, 10:54 PM
What was up with putting Tebow in and running the same play?

Over and over and over and over again. Yeah, he scored a TD out of it the first couple of times they ran it. After that however..well, predictable is too kind a word for it and the yardage reflected it.

Like most wild cat/horse/seminole/whatever you want to call it formations, untill they let whomever throw out of it to make that threat a real and viable option, it's one of the most stale and predictable offensive sets in the league.

DivineBronco
10-17-2010, 10:58 PM
I have to find the thread but I thought mCd said we would not see Tebow (like we did today) this year, he said anyone who was expecting to see Tebow in the redzone out of the wildcat this year was a fool.

I don't want to alarm anyone here but sometimes coaches have very little interest in telling the media the truth.....I know I may have just blown your mind

footstepsfrom#27
10-17-2010, 11:05 PM
He really did look slow, but whatever.
He's anything but...Tebow finished with highly impressive speed in the short sprints/shuttle runs at the combine, in a couple instances he would have beaten the corners and RB's in those workouts. What makes Tebow a great runner however is not speed, it's will. You can see it when he runs, the way he runs through people with pure grit. I love what Orton is doing right now, but the future was glimpsed again today. A year, two at the most and he will be starting. We got a great player here, but a lot of us don't fully realize it yet IMO.

Bronco Yoda
10-18-2010, 01:33 AM
I'm pretty sure by "obvious reasons" you're talking about him being able to use the force to avoid errant snaps and shanks.

:P
Not sure his jedi training is advanced enough yet to prevent them. But he would be awful handy when things broke down like today. And we'd have a real option for a trick play... and better yet, the constant threat of one.

Broncos_OTM
10-18-2010, 04:51 AM
I have to find the thread but I thought mCd said we would not see Tebow (like we did today) this year, he said anyone who was expecting to see Tebow in the redzone out of the wildcat this year was a fool.

I see your point. however do you expect a team to send our offensive game plan to teams?

baja
10-18-2010, 05:37 AM
I'd like to see Tebow start holding for FG's.... for all the obvious reasons.

That's a very good idea. I like it

Jay3
10-18-2010, 06:40 AM
Tebow took advantage of a couple of things. First off, the Jets player that was supposed to contain him didnt.

If the Jet player had been in contain, the hole would have been there inside of him (where the blocking was). Tebow recognized the crash-down and cut outside.

He's very instinctive in picking a hole. That's the thing people miss about Tebow sometimes.

1. Instinctive in picking a hole.
2. Freakish, off-the-charts shimmy for a guy his size (note his 3-cone at the combine). He does that first little shake to get lateral movement.
3. Power leg drive all the way through contact. You can't bring him down with arms, you have to get your feet planted and hit him. That makes him more elusive because defenders move with more tentativeness, not wanting to be "on the poster" as he leg drives past them.

TheChamp24
10-18-2010, 06:51 AM
I will say its surprising some of the negative comments about using Tebow here.
"I'd rather not run it and see what Orton can do than have a 3 yard run up the gut."
Yeah, lets ignore the fact that we seemed to be pretty effective running from that, a lot more than we are accustomed to seeing.

epicSocialism4tw
10-18-2010, 07:42 AM
If the Jet player had been in contain, the hole would have been there inside of him (where the blocking was). Tebow recognized the crash-down and cut outside.

He's very instinctive in picking a hole. That's the thing people miss about Tebow sometimes.

1. Instinctive in picking a hole.
2. Freakish, off-the-charts shimmy for a guy his size (note his 3-cone at the combine). He does that first little shake to get lateral movement.
3. Power leg drive all the way through contact. You can't bring him down with arms, you have to get your feet planted and hit him. That makes him more elusive because defenders move with more tentativeness, not wanting to be "on the poster" as he leg drives past them.

He always seems to get more yards than you think he will, and its because of the reasons you listed above. It looks like he's stuffed and he still manages a 5-yard run.

loborugger
10-18-2010, 10:59 AM
If the Jet player had been in contain, the hole would have been there inside of him (where the blocking was). Tebow recognized the crash-down and cut outside.

He's very instinctive in picking a hole. That's the thing people miss about Tebow sometimes.

1. Instinctive in picking a hole.
2. Freakish, off-the-charts shimmy for a guy his size (note his 3-cone at the combine). He does that first little shake to get lateral movement.
3. Power leg drive all the way through contact. You can't bring him down with arms, you have to get your feet planted and hit him. That makes him more elusive because defenders move with more tentativeness, not wanting to be "on the poster" as he leg drives past them.

I will agree that when he was in and the wildcat was on, he never handed it to the guy about to get stuffed. I was impressed by that. Every play resulted in yards gained.

lostknight
10-18-2010, 12:17 PM
Anyone who thinks that Tebow looked slow needs to go back and do some geometry. Tebow started back 10 yards and ran to the corner. He had four defensive backs directly opposite him racing him to the edge directly in front of the end zone. Basically, a pythagorean triple right triangle, with Tebow on a C vector, the defenders on a A vector. By definition C is always a greater distance then A. And guess what, Tebow beat them to the corner.

Go rewatch the video at www.denverbroncos.com (http://www.denverbroncos.com). He has some surprising speed to the corner. This play was set up by all the between the tackles runs that he had done earlier. They were expecting a interior run, and he beat them to the corner. Oh, and he also pulled the safety over leaving a Wide Receiver on single coverage. Want to bet they use that next week?

Bronco Yoda
10-18-2010, 01:54 PM
Anyone who thinks that Tebow looked slow needs to go back and do some geometry. Tebow started back 10 yards and ran to the corner. He had four defensive backs directly opposite him racing him to the edge directly in front of the end zone. Basically, a pythagorean triple right triangle, with Tebow on a C vector, the defenders on a A vector. By definition C is always a greater distance then A. And guess what, Tebow beat them to the corner.

Go rewatch the video at www.denverbroncos.com (http://www.denverbroncos.com). He has some surprising speed to the corner. This play was set up by all the between the tackles runs that he had done earlier. They were expecting a interior run, and he beat them to the corner. Oh, and he also pulled the safety over leaving a Wide Receiver on single coverage. Want to bet they use that next week?

Now I can't speak for others. But when it first happened, I'm thinking Tebow looked a little slow getting around there. Then I watched it again. It's his stride. Too me he often LOOKS slow but we all know he's not. Sort of like his mechanics in throwing. But who cares how pretty it is. He get's the job done!

Jay3
10-18-2010, 02:02 PM
Now I can't speak for others. But when it first happened, I'm thinking Tebow looked a little slow getting around there. Then I watched it again. It's his stride. Too me he often LOOKS slow but we all know he's not. Sort of like his mechanics in throwing. But who cares how pretty it is. He get's the job done!

He's real choppy in his running style. He keeps his feet moving and his steps small. He's constantly watching and instinctively looking for a misstep by the defense, then he'll crash by for 5 yards. He runs like he's not trying to break a long one, but that he's trying to get you off-balance so you won't be able to stop him from getting 3-5 more yards after first contact.

In the touchdown play, I guarantee he was watching those defenders -- if they sell out for the corner, running full speed from the get-go to take the line, he has a great cut-back and crash.

Defenders sense it, and they run a little slower, anticipating that they'll need to dig in with their haunches to stop him from scoring. Then he burns them with the deceptive speed he has.

When he's not around the goal line, he treats the first down marker like a goal line. One of Tebow's freaky things is not that he's effective on 3rd and 3. It's that he was killer on 3rd and 6. In an open field (like maybe a pass play), he was murder to stop. Like Cam Newton is doing now for Auburn, a runner is tougher to stop when you're not sure what he's doing, and then he ALSO has that extra 2-3 yards after collision. It changes the math in trying to stop him.

91BRONCO
10-18-2010, 02:13 PM
McD clearly stated this was a retarded idea.

For all the problems the Broncos continue to have with their running game, particularly near the goal line, coach Josh McDaniels made one thing clear Monday: Tim Tebow is not the solution.

"We're not going to do that in short yardage," McDaniels said. "People who mention that, I don't know, that's ridiculous."

Read more: Broncos don't plan to use Tebow on short-yardage plays - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_16190944#ixzz12j0ZB36H

Not a big fan on how McD responded to this question prior. At least he was willing to try something different to help our red zone woes.