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Gort
10-17-2010, 05:30 PM
Hmmm, I'm finding his postings to be entertaining in a train wreck kind of way, especially when he called others extremists.

if it was only occassionally, maybe...

but every thread this clown posts on he ends up turning into a "him against the world" slurfest.

it gets old. that's why i put him on ignore.

he's about the worst i've yet seen on this site. excluding trolls from other AFC West teams, the only one that comes close was that kid a couple of years ago who posted everything as if he was text messaging. was his name Don'tBeMessin? i can't exactly recall... but he got banned in about 1 month.

i still think there should be a minimum age requirement to post here. MVPlaya seems to be about 15 years old as far as i can tell.

TonyR
10-17-2010, 05:34 PM
Denver **** all over themselves.

We lost because of one flukey play on a desperation 4th and 6 by our opponent. Otherwise we're all happy right now about beating one of the best teams in the league. Have a little bit of perspective.

scttgrd
10-17-2010, 05:35 PM
What the **** is your agenda? My point is Sanchez isn't very good. He looks lost anytime he has to go to his second read. He's got a nice quick released, accurate when its a one read play, but he has a way to go with the mental side of the game. He played poorly today and had that PI not been called, he'd have been one of the reasons they lost today.

Sanchez did have a bad game, but what does that say about this team? They get 3 turnovers and still rely on a questionable call late to cry about? I have no agenda, I want to see a Broncos team that can come out and dominate especially at home.

I heard all the bluster about how the red zone was going to improve and they were supposed to be much more physical. So far I don't see it. Add in the coaching that can't seem to get the right amount of players on the field and I am more than questioning the coaching.

Gort
10-17-2010, 05:36 PM
We lost because of one flukey play on a desperation 4th and 6 by our opponent. Otherwise we're all happy right now about beating one of the best teams in the league. Have a little bit of perspective.

to be fair, we got this call against the Titans. i think the call was definitely deserved there. i think it's more arguable against the Jets. but the Broncos have been on the winning end and losing end of calls like this so far this year. that helps put things in perspective a bit.

epicSocialism4tw
10-17-2010, 05:38 PM
to be fair, we got this call against the Titans. i think the call was definitely deserved there. i think it's more arguable against the Jets. but the Broncos have been on the winning end and losing end of calls like this so far this year. that helps put things in perspective a bit.

If that DB hadnt tossed Hill out of the way before Hill reached back and unintentionally grabbed some facemask, I wouldnt be upset about it.

Its a call that could have been offensive PI first, and thats what bothers me about it.

SonOfLe-loLang
10-17-2010, 05:41 PM
sanchez did have a bad game, but what does that say about this team? They get 3 turnovers and still rely on a questionable call late to cry about? I have no agenda, i want to see a broncos team that can come out and dominate especially at home.

I heard all the bluster about how the red zone was going to improve and they were supposed to be much more physical. So far i don't see it. Add in the coaching that can't seem to get the right amount of players on the field and i am more than questioning the coaching.

i dont ****ing care all i said was that sanchez wasnt good and you turned it into this bs

baja
10-17-2010, 05:49 PM
if it was only occassionally, maybe...

but every thread this clown posts on he ends up turning into a "him against the world" slurfest.

it gets old. that's why i put him on ignore.

he's about the worst i've yet seen on this site. excluding trolls from other AFC West teams, the only one that comes close was that kid a couple of years ago who posted everything as if he was text messaging. was his name Don'tBeMessin? i can't exactly recall... but he got banned in about 1 month.

i still think there should be a minimum age requirement to post here. MVPlaya seems to be about 15 years old as far as i can tell.

Ya know when you ignore someone you usually stop talking about them. ;D

scttgrd
10-17-2010, 06:10 PM
i dont ****ing care all i said was that sanchez wasnt good and you turned it into this bs

You need to get your panties out of your ears. If you don't want the truth, then don't f*ckng ask a**hole.

SonOfLe-loLang
10-17-2010, 06:54 PM
You need to get your panties out of your ears. If you don't want the truth, then don't ****ng ask a**hole.

Your argument is an example of why humanity will fail. Its incredibly short sighted and simplistic. Im not arguing that McDaniels has been great (i have my issues, but i do think he's designed a great offense), but had Hill's hand not grabbed Holmes's facemask for a second, people would be claiming McDaniels called a genius game, had his team prepared, etc etc, what a great win it was. But because that one tiny incident happened, suddenly the opposite is true? Of course not.

What is true and undeniable, is that you're a ****ing moron. Enjoy your miserable life.

broncosteven
10-17-2010, 06:55 PM
That's ****ing nice. 9 players on the field was not good, nobody is denying that, but to ****ing make it a point as to how unprepared we were is absolute ludicrous.

We were 1 4th down and long from winning the ****ing game, so I guess Rex had his team unprepared too.

Dumb mother ****ers. We were unprepared is a ****ing cop out.

I swear, some people watch football and expect perfection and if it's not it's ****ing crap.

I will bump this ****ing thread at the end of the season and air out every single one of you mother ****ers.

We played a ****ing GREAT game against the Jets. Our run game dramatically improved from the prior weeks against the 4th best rush defense in the league.

The same mother ****ers b****ing now are the same mother ****ers that were crying, OH MY HOW ARE WE GONNA RUN IT AGAINST THE JETS, I'M SO SCARREDDD.

Dumb ****ing fans, this thread will be back.

Will your mom be posting this rant on youtube anytime soon?

scttgrd
10-17-2010, 07:05 PM
Your argument is an example of why humanity will fail. Its incredibly short sighted and simplistic. Im not arguing that McDaniels has been great (i have my issues, but i do think he's designed a great offense), but had Hill's hand not grabbed Holmes's facemask for a second, people would be claiming McDaniels called a genius game, had his team prepared, etc etc, what a great win it was. But because that one tiny incident happened, suddenly the opposite is true? Of course not.

What is true and undeniable, is that you're a ****ing moron. Enjoy your miserable life.

And what is most clear is that you are an idiot. I guess you are happy with the "moral" victory. Win some damn games. Turn the roster over and get the same lousy result? Must be McDaniels team. You are the example of the lost principal of results. Not just the way to go mentality. I guess by your logic, the Broncos need a special ribbon for playing.

colonelbeef
10-17-2010, 07:07 PM
Your argument is an example of why humanity will fail. Its incredibly short sighted and simplistic. Im not arguing that McDaniels has been great (i have my issues, but i do think he's designed a great offense), but had Hill's hand not grabbed Holmes's facemask for a second, people would be claiming McDaniels called a genius game, had his team prepared, etc etc, what a great win it was. But because that one tiny incident happened, suddenly the opposite is true? Of course not.

What is true and undeniable, is that you're a ****ing moron. Enjoy your miserable life.


LOL!

Great offense he says, hilarious

SonOfLe-loLang
10-17-2010, 07:11 PM
And what is most clear is that you are an idiot. I guess you are happy with the "moral" victory. Win some damn games. Turn the roster over and get the same lousy result? Must be McDaniels team. You are the example of the lost principal of results. Not just the way to go mentality. I guess by your logic, the Broncos need a special ribbon for playing.

My God, you are a ****ing moron who never reads what i write. 1) i never said I liked moral victories, in fact ive written many times that i do not believe in them. I'm simply discussing how one evaluates job performance. To only judge it based on ONE thing is asinine, especially because 1) football is a game of inches, a single play shouldnt effect the way you look at total performance and 2) PLAYERS ****ING PLAY THE GAME AND COACHES COACH. Is it McDaniels fault that we ****ed up 2 field goals? Is it Mcd's fault that Moreno fumbled on the 15? Is it Mcd's fault if Orton throws a bad pass and misses an open guy? Is it McD's fault when a player gets called for pass interference?

I question some of McD's play calling today (though im not sure if its orton or mcd thats in love with the fade route) and i didnt like the Tebow package in that last scoring drive (unless you were going to finally go play action). He has not been great, but to pick McD as the scapegoat after THIS GAME is absurd.

SonOfLe-loLang
10-17-2010, 07:12 PM
LOL!

Great offense he says, hilarious

Have you been displeased with the broncos passing game this season? The running game needs work (improved today), but doing it with the current talent we have on the line has been difficult. I think our passing game always gives us a chance to move the ball. The broncos problem this year has been dumb mistakes and bad situational football...the design of our offense looks pretty good.

Broncos4tw
10-17-2010, 07:15 PM
Meh.. make all the excuses you want. We've lost 12 of our last 16 games, or something around that. Our "rebuilt" team is not doing a thing. Our line is worse, our running game is much worse... we'll see how it goes, but if we finish this season under 500.. we are going backwards, not forwards.. we'll see how long McD lasts. "Perspective" is that we can't win games even when we get all the breaks. Many of our issues are due to coaching decisions.

The only "bright spot" is our division sucks horribly. The wonderful 9-14 means we are not out of it, go figure. I never thought I'd see the day when our Broncos were LAST in the league in rushing. Yes.. McD certainly has "revamped" the team. 2006? 8th in rushing. 2007? 9th. 2008.. we were 12th. Then McD takes over.. we were 18th last year.. 32nd this year. Wonderful progress.

Bronco Yoda
10-17-2010, 07:16 PM
They pissed this game away today. When will the stupid mistakes end?

SonOfLe-loLang
10-17-2010, 07:17 PM
They pissed this game away today. When will the stupid mistakes end?

Thats what id like to know.

Gort
10-17-2010, 07:18 PM
Ya know when you ignore someone you usually stop talking about them. ;D

true, but the other member quoted him. so i could see what he wrote and it was more of the same...

i think it's ok for people to argue and bicker from time to time. it happens. people disgree. that's the whole point of this forum anyway... it gives you a place to vent without annoying your family.

but this guy is just continually disrespectful of everyone else on the site. that's what my beef is with him.

i wonder if he knows he can create his own vbulletin site and limit the membership to only himself, thereby guaranteeing no dissenting views. he just needs to buy a license for the software and pay server charges. it's really not that expensive.

Archer81
10-17-2010, 07:23 PM
They pissed this game away today. When will the stupid mistakes end?


When butterflies descend from Heaven carrying messages of hope and goodwill to all men.

And ponies.

:Broncos:

scttgrd
10-17-2010, 07:24 PM
My God, you are a ****ing moron who never reads what i write. 1) i never said I liked moral victories, in fact ive written many times that i do not believe in them. I'm simply discussing how one evaluates job performance. To only judge it based on ONE thing is asinine, especially because 1) football is a game of inches, a single play shouldnt effect the way you look at total performance and 2) PLAYERS ****ING PLAY THE GAME AND COACHES COACH. Is it McDaniels fault that we ****ed up 2 field goals? Is it Mcd's fault that Moreno fumbled on the 15? Is it Mcd's fault if Orton throws a bad pass and misses an open guy? Is it McD's fault when a player gets called for pass interference?

I question some of McD's play calling today (though im not sure if its orton or mcd thats in love with the fade route) and i didnt like the Tebow package in that last scoring drive (unless you were going to finally go play action). He has not been great, but to pick McD as the scapegoat after THIS GAME is absurd.


I guess McD inherited this team? He had no hand in putting it together? He has the team he wanted, now he has to live with it and the lousy results they produce. Too much for you too understand I suppose. His team, his lousy coaching and lack of results.

gyldenlove
10-17-2010, 07:31 PM
Here is a list of plays so horrendous I can not imagine any punishment cruel and/or unusual enough for the ****sticks who commited them:

1. 2 personal fouls on the Hunter interception, when you get a takeaway deep in enemy territory you do not, EVER, lose your head and set your team back 15 yards.

2. Lonie Paxton not being able to do the only thing he ever has to do, snap the ball.

3. Renaldo Hill standing utterly still, but having an excellent view of Mark Sanchez completing a TD pass on 3rd down to Braylon Edwards.

4. Matt Prater missing from 49 yards, we are not a team who can afford to leave 6 points on the field because our kicking unit can't do their very simple job, Paxton needed Prater to bail him out here, and Prater came up flat.

5. The entire defense standing around like muppets watching Tomlinson take it 20 yards to the house. I don't know if the NFLPA has quotas for how much run defense you are allowed to play or if one of the cheerleaders slipped a nipple or something, but our entire defense looked they just woke up and had no idea where they were or what was going on.

6. Demayrius Thomas bobbling the ball. Where the hell did he learn to catch, he barely gets his feet inbound on the sideline catch with the bogus helmet to helmet call, the TD wasn't actually a TD because he can't keep his hands on the ball and then he drops that deep pass at the end of the game. He needs to get his hands on the ball and KEEP THEM ON THE BALL!

7. Renaldo Hill why would you grap Holmes facemask in that situation? I know you are a piece of crap who covers about as well as bottomless panties, but for the love of all that is holy, when you for once find yourself near the ball, try to play the ball rather than throwing the whole damn game away.

8. I said last week that JD Walton may well be the worst center in the league, but at least he snaps the ball well, well scratch that. He is the worst center in the league, and he needs to get something right fast, because at this rate his ass will be in the unemployment line sooner than any one thought.

go_broncos
10-17-2010, 07:38 PM
Here is a list of plays so horrendous I can not imagine any punishment cruel and/or unusual enough for the ****sticks who commited them:

1. 2 personal fouls on the Hunter interception, when you get a takeaway deep in enemy territory you do not, EVER, lose your head and set your team back 15 yards.

2. Lonie Paxton not being able to do the only thing he ever has to do, snap the ball.

3. Renaldo Hill standing utterly still, but having an excellent view of Mark Sanchez completing a TD pass on 3rd down to Braylon Edwards.

4. Matt Prater missing from 49 yards, we are not a team who can afford to leave 6 points on the field because our kicking unit can't do their very simple job, Paxton needed Prater to bail him out here, and Prater came up flat.

5. The entire defense standing around like muppets watching Tomlinson take it 20 yards to the house. I don't know if the NFLPA has quotas for how much run defense you are allowed to play or if one of the cheerleaders slipped a nipple or something, but our entire defense looked they just woke up and had no idea where they were or what was going on.

6. Demayrius Thomas bobbling the ball. Where the hell did he learn to catch, he barely gets his feet inbound on the sideline catch with the bogus helmet to helmet call, the TD wasn't actually a TD because he can't keep his hands on the ball and then he drops that deep pass at the end of the game. He needs to get his hands on the ball and KEEP THEM ON THE BALL!

7. Renaldo Hill why would you grap Holmes facemask in that situation? I know you are a piece of crap who covers about as well as bottomless panties, but for the love of all that is holy, when you for once find yourself near the ball, try to play the ball rather than throwing the whole damn game away.

8. I said last week that JD Walton may well be the worst center in the league, but at least he snaps the ball well, well scratch that. He is the worst center in the league, and he needs to get something right fast, because at this rate his ass will be in the unemployment line sooner than any one thought.

Good Post..You missed Moreno who fumbled the ball..

TonyR
10-17-2010, 07:46 PM
6. Demayrius Thomas bobbling the ball...

Those were both really tough catches though. Hard to knock the kid too much.

Broncos4tw
10-17-2010, 07:46 PM
Regardless.. we have next to no one left from the Shanahan era. This is McDs team now. His personnel choices. If there is an issue, look to him and our front office and coaches for poor choices.

BroncosSR
10-17-2010, 08:01 PM
Sadly he was good enough to get a win. On the road. I guess Orton is a great QB, just don't look at the record.

I don't think of Orton as a great QB anymore... He's a great passer but as far as an all around QB is concerned, the dude just doesn't have it. I want a QB who can take the game into his hands (maybe I was just spoiled with Elway) and bring home the W in tight games.

gyldenlove
10-17-2010, 08:09 PM
Those were both really tough catches though. Hard to knock the kid too much.

The supposed TD was not a tough catch, he had plenty of time to get his feet inbounds, but for some reason he catches it uncleanly, lets go of it and then tries to get it again before he goes out, which he didn't do, his right foot came down out of bounds. That is a catch Lloyd or Gaffney or Royal makes no problem at all.

The MVPlaya
10-17-2010, 08:14 PM
The supposed TD was not a tough catch, he had plenty of time to get his feet inbounds, but for some reason he catches it uncleanly, lets go of it and then tries to get it again before he goes out, which he didn't do, his right foot came down out of bounds. That is a catch Lloyd or Gaffney or Royal makes no problem at all.

Not even sure if Gaffney or Lloyd could get the type of separation to begin with.

Royal would be too short to make this catch as he'd have to pull of some acrobatic jumping catch.

I think you're over analyzing it a bit though.

baja
10-17-2010, 08:16 PM
The supposed TD was not a tough catch, he had plenty of time to get his feet inbounds, but for some reason he catches it uncleanly, lets go of it and then tries to get it again before he goes out, which he didn't do, his right foot came down out of bounds. That is a catch Lloyd or Gaffney or Royal makes no problem at all.

It was a tough catch and he's a rook coming off a vicious hit/concussion. Give him some time and he will be a beast for us. Better than marshall. Just wait.

gyldenlove
10-17-2010, 08:20 PM
It was a tough catch and he's a rook coming off a vicious hit/concussion. Give him some time and he will be a beast for us. Better than marshall. Just wait.

I am not saying he is not going to be great, but he definitely needs to stop juggling the ball. I agree the sideline catch was a tough catch, he made it although not cleanly, but the TD wasn't that difficult, that is a catch a top WR has to make.

baja
10-17-2010, 08:23 PM
I am not saying he is not going to be great, but he definitely needs to stop juggling the ball. I agree the sideline catch was a tough catch, he made it although not cleanly, but the TD wasn't that difficult, that is a catch a top WR has to make.

All I'm saying is this is his 5th game as a pro and he had no pre season. I think he is doing great everything considered.

gyldenlove
10-17-2010, 08:32 PM
All I'm saying is this is his 5th game as a pro and he had no pre season. I think he is doing great everything considered.

I agree, for where he is, he looks amazing, just wish he looked a little amazinger.

zdoor
10-17-2010, 08:33 PM
All I'm saying is this is his 5th game as a pro and he had no pre season. I think he is doing great everything considered.

If he stays healthy, he is going to be a stud.

cutthemdown
10-17-2010, 08:35 PM
We beat the Jets in EVERY major statistic other than points, we ****ing OUT RUSHED THE BEST RUSHING OFFENSE in the LEAGUE.

Broncos stink dude get over it. There is no way to decipher this trash and come up with Broncos better then the Jets.

Broncos are a joke of a team and have become one of the franchises other fans and teams laugh at.

DarkHorse
10-17-2010, 08:47 PM
I didn't realize that DT was a 'top' WR in this league already


Congrats DT!


1st rnd pick = Tier 1 player on this board.

cutthemdown
10-17-2010, 08:57 PM
Wr is the one area we can say is good.

vancejohnson82
10-17-2010, 10:03 PM
Broncos stink dude get over it. There is no way to decipher this trash and come up with Broncos better then the Jets.

Broncos are a joke of a team and have become one of the franchises other fans and teams laugh at.

you're a ****in clown

Beantown Bronco
10-18-2010, 06:21 AM
Broncos stink dude get over it. There is no way to decipher this trash and come up with Broncos better then the Jets.

Broncos are a joke of a team and have become one of the franchises other fans and teams laugh at.

Well...my "level headed" Jets friend who I started the thread about earlier in the week admitted this morning that the Broncos outplayed the Jets in every phase of the game and were the better team yesterday despite the score. He said that it was a purely lucky win.

Beantown Bronco
10-18-2010, 06:28 AM
I don't think of Orton as a great QB anymore... He's a great passer but as far as an all around QB is concerned, the dude just doesn't have it. I want a QB who can take the game into his hands (maybe I was just spoiled with Elway) and bring home the W in tight games.

On a very key 3rd and 11 and he rushed for 12.....faking out a defender in the process so badly that the freakin guy fell down. How many here would have ever predicted that one?

Beantown Bronco
10-18-2010, 06:35 AM
Here is a list of plays so horrendous I can not imagine any punishment cruel and/or unusual enough for the ****sticks who commited them:

4. Matt Prater missing from 49 yards, we are not a team who can afford to leave 6 points on the field because our kicking unit can't do their very simple job, Paxton needed Prater to bail him out here, and Prater came up flat.



Are you freaking serious? This was basically a 50 yard field goal that has a below 50% chance of being made over the course of the year. It wasn't like it was some chip shot. Man, we've gotten spoiled apparently by some fictional kicker that makes 100% of his kicks.....

He nailed a 59 yarder and a 48 yarder during the game, had touchbacks galore, and let's not forget an absolutely PERFECT onside kick. Prater is arguably the last person on the roster who should be punished for anything. Think about it. Name one other player on the roster who has only one very minor blemish on their record so far this year.

baja
10-18-2010, 06:39 AM
Are you freaking serious? This was basically a 50 yard field goal that has a below 50% chance of being made over the course of the year. It wasn't like it was some chip shot. Man, we've gotten spoiled apparently by some fictional kicker that makes 100% of his kicks.....

He nailed a 59 yarder and a 48 yarder during the game, had touchbacks galore, and let's not forget an absolutely PERFECT onside kick. Prater is arguably the last person on the roster who should be punished for anything. Think about it. <b>Name one other player on the roster who has only one very minor blemish on their record so far this year.

The long snapper.

Beantown Bronco
10-18-2010, 06:44 AM
The long snapper.

I said minor. I just can't put a dribbled snap on the same level as a missed 49 yarder. Missed 49 yarders are anticipated more than half the time even of HOF kickers. Dribbled snaps are never acceptable.

The Joker
10-18-2010, 06:49 AM
Prater was always going to miss one at some point this year, getting at him for it is ridiculous.

Three attempts in the game, from 48, 49 and 59 yards...

Two out of three isn't exactly bad in this instance.

gyldenlove
10-18-2010, 07:11 AM
Are you freaking serious? This was basically a 50 yard field goal that has a below 50% chance of being made over the course of the year. It wasn't like it was some chip shot. Man, we've gotten spoiled apparently by some fictional kicker that makes 100% of his kicks.....

He nailed a 59 yarder and a 48 yarder during the game, had touchbacks galore, and let's not forget an absolutely PERFECT onside kick. Prater is arguably the last person on the roster who should be punished for anything. Think about it. Name one other player on the roster who has only one very minor blemish on their record so far this year.

In that game we could not afford to leave 3 points on the field like that. Over the last 2 seasons Prater has made 9 of 12 from 40-49 yards and 4 of 5 from 50+ including yesterdays game, yesterday he made 1 of 2 from 40-49 and 1 of 1 from 50+, that gives him a FG success of rate 67%, well below what is expected of him. Sure, they are not easy kicks, but the fact that he nailed a 59 yarder and Folk who is not known at all for his leg strength kicked a 56 yarder clearly shows that distance is not that much of an issue in Denver. Kicking a 49 in Denver is more like kicking a short 40 anywhere else.

Prater doesn't get 50 snaps a game, so one mistake is a lot more costly. If an offensive lineman misses 1 play a game, he is still pretty good because he has 60 or 70 good plays. Prater has 3 FG attempts and 2 PATs and he misses 1 of those 5, that is not that good.

Over the last 2 years, Prater has been outstanding, but even an outstanding player can have a game where he could have been better, just ask Tom Brady how he felt after the 2007 super bowl.

Lonie Paxton only made 1 mistake, he very rarely makes those mistakes, but that doesn't excuse his 1 mistake.

Beantown Bronco
10-18-2010, 07:14 AM
Insanity.

You said: Here is a list of plays so horrendous I can not imagine any punishment cruel and/or unusual enough for the ****sticks who commited them.

Sorry. In no world does a 49 yard fg miss deserve that kind of comment. I don't care if you are in a dome, in Denver, wherever. It just doesn't.

baja
10-18-2010, 07:43 AM
I said minor. I just can't put a dribbled snap on the same level as a missed 49 yarder. Missed 49 yarders are anticipated more than half the time even of HOF kickers. Dribbled snaps are never acceptable.

It was a joke son relaks

Rohirrim
10-18-2010, 08:05 AM
Broncos stink dude get over it. There is no way to decipher this trash and come up with Broncos better then the Jets.

Broncos are a joke of a team and have become one of the franchises other fans and teams laugh at.

Phase One: Plant head in ass.

Phase Two: Pass gas.

Phase Three: Gas infiltrates brain cells and causes above post.

azbroncfan
10-18-2010, 10:56 AM
One thing I wish Josh would incorporate from New England is the circle pattern to the RB that NE uses so effectively like a running play.