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Beantown Bronco
10-14-2010, 08:19 AM
Just got this email from one of my buddies who is a huge Jets fan. Thought it would be nice to share the other side's perspective and to break things up a little.
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Here is how I see things breaking down:

Good for the Jets:

Jets once again this season have the top ranked rushing offense in the league and I see them pounding the ball day. Broncos are all banged up on defense and rank 25th vs the run after getting mauled by Rice/McGahee last week. Will not be any let up with LT/Greene, who should each get about 20 carries as the Jets control time of possession. Jets passing offense ranks low but they have loads of weapons and Sanchez still has yet to have a turnover this season (you read that right). They will look to exploit the secondary once the Broncos are forced to put more men in the box to slow down the running game. Jets stout run defense will allow nothing to crappy Broncos run game.

Key stat: Jets average a gaudy 5.1 ypc while Denver gives up 4.4 ypc. Will be a huge day on the ground for the Jets.


Good for the Broncos:

Denver ranks second in the league in passing offense and this is the one area where the Jets have struggled this year. Henne lit them up for 400+, they couldn’t get Flacco off the field on 3rd down and Favre had his way for just about the entire 2nd half. Revis will not play in this game which means 1st round pick Kyle Wilson will see increased time and he has been downright awful. Rest of the secondary outside of Cromartie is very spotty in pass coverage. Spread out the defense and fling the ball around all day is the best chance this team has at success. If they can find a way to get anything at all out of the run game, or even screen passes, they will be in great shape. Their pass defense ranks in the middle of the pack and that should be enough to keep the Jets passing offense in check.

Key stat: Denver averages 333 passing yds per game while the Jets give up 235. Orton should have a very big game.


Prediction: Jets will dominate time of possession but the Broncos won't have many problems moving the ball up and down the field. Jets defense will find a way to make a few big plays that will be the difference. Jets 28 Broncos 24.

2KBack
10-14-2010, 08:23 AM
Pretty damn fair analysis

Beantown Bronco
10-14-2010, 08:26 AM
He's probably the most level-headed hardcore football fan I've ever known. ESPECIALLY considering he's also a Yankees fan. It's kind of scary actually.

jmz313
10-14-2010, 08:33 AM
No way We score 24, thats what? 1 TD and 5.5 field goals?...

I hope I'm wrong but unless we find a Red zone O for this game. Its prob gonna be a repeat of the ravens game. TOP will kill us again, especially with the banged up, thin Defense.

JLine27
10-14-2010, 08:36 AM
Being from NJ I haven't ever met a Jets/Yankees fan that's level-headed. All in all a pretty fair analysis...

oubronco
10-14-2010, 08:39 AM
I've been forcefed the opportunity to watch the jets a couple times this year and they are definitely beatable

Their secondary is very suspect without a healthy Revis and that's what we get this week Orton will have a hayday

Their run defense isn't that great either but we don't have a rungame to speak of but the screen game could work pretty good

They seem to do the same thing we do alot and that's leave the middle of the field open Royal could have a real good day against them though Ryan does make good ingame adjustments to what is happening so it should be a good chess match between coaches

Fan In Exile
10-14-2010, 08:57 AM
No way We score 24, thats what? 1 TD and 5.5 field goals?...

I hope I'm wrong but unless we find a Red zone O for this game. Its prob gonna be a repeat of the ravens game. TOP will kill us again, especially with the banged up, thin Defense.

Or it's three TDs for 21 points and 1 Field Goal.

Rabb
10-14-2010, 09:05 AM
No way We score 24, thats what? 1 TD and 5.5 field goals?...

I hope I'm wrong but unless we find a Red zone O for this game. Its prob gonna be a repeat of the ravens game. TOP will kill us again, especially with the banged up, thin Defense.

12 safetys

Missouribronc
10-14-2010, 09:06 AM
12 safetys

That would be an excellent sign for the defense, as we head into a stretch of games where we have a lot of injured players.

:sunshine:

Bronco Boy
10-14-2010, 09:30 AM
Does your friend work for Scouts, Inc.?

ghwk
10-14-2010, 09:31 AM
No way We score 24, thats what? 1 TD and 5.5 field goals?...

I hope I'm wrong but unless we find a Red zone O for this game. Its prob gonna be a repeat of the ravens game. TOP will kill us again, especially with the banged up, thin Defense.

Yeah I can't see us scoring that many either.

vancejohnson82
10-14-2010, 10:11 AM
From my Jets fan friend....PART I

Good friends,


First and foremost, it was another dominating day at G10 / G17; we're clearly undefeated.


Second, our enemy this week, Tom Cannon, wanted to shares some kind words.


Start from the bottom, as my response is already right here:


Cannon,

When you've won the Super Bowl, albeit multiple times, in your lifetime, every argument you make is easy because you have that to fall back on.

But what matters most is this year and this year only.

While you're right, we haven't won $hit, we have certainly surprised you, the league, every fa$$ot on message boards (and yes, I do follow the rest of the NFL. there and elsewhere - as does Steve - and we are hated because ESPN chooses headlines that generate clicks to stay on their site), the real analysts who have picked against us since Week 1 - and there are plenty - and soon to be your inexperienced, over reacting, unimpressionable piece of dog$hit coach.

So you've managed to slow down Chris Johnson and MJD - time to party. But let's really look at what your team has done these passed 2 years, in comparison with the JETS stellar regime under Rex.

- Denver comes out on fire to start the season 6-0. After a bye-week for some rest, you lose all momentum, team management, ability to stop any decent running back and see your season drift away to San Diego...AGAIN.

- In the off-season, one marked with a long list of areas to improve, you TRADE UP for Tim Tebow...the biggest risk and unproven future star of this generation because of his "intangibles". Yeah...that should take of the windmill release that came back in pre-season action. The fact of the matter is, McDaniels was in a good system in new england, is in over his head, and can only PRAY he has the ability to one day surround himself with people much better than him. We'll know by 2012.

- As for our "classless" organization, might I remind you that our team is BELOW the league-wide football average for arrests and certainly convictions. Before you talk $hit, I recommend you look at Denvers past - (Ronald Fields, Richard Quinn, Marcus Thomas, Andre Hall, Daniel Graham, and...and...B Marshal - FOUR TIMES). Class class...class.

And while we have all week to talk $hit, don't even phucking contemplate your receivers and backfield having the same talent and skill as the Vikings. Orton hasn't seen this D and we're going to smack the phucking $hit out of you clowns on Sunday.

Our drinking on Sunday is merely a celebration of life - and we happen to work out more in the fall than you do all year, beer-belly boy.

vancejohnson82
10-14-2010, 10:15 AM
Part II, from Jets Fan #2

First of all the team you like will fail once again. I don't know what ****ing horse you road in on, but the teams that the broncos have beaten this year suck. The Titans and the Sea Hawks both suck. The sea hawks go without explaining, but the titans you can think they are good because they have Chris Johnson, but the team as a whole sucks. I can't wait to see the difference in time of possession between the Jets and the Broncos, the jets will have the ball at least 75% of the time. The Broncos will pass around 50 times and might convert on 3 3rd down conversions the entire game if they are lucky. The Jets will pound the ball up the broncos asses like they have been doing all year. Your team will eventually tire and collapse the same way the Bronco's past two seasons ended. Who do you have?!!!!!! How good can you say your coach is after not making the playoffs last year and losing 3 out of 5 games thus far this season? He sucks as a coach and you have no talent on the field. Yeah, great ingredients to build a team no, no talent and a ****ty coach. Oh wait you have Moreno and Tebow, two awesome COLLEGE ball players. Where are all of your 1st round draft picks from the past 3 years, no where. You had 4 first round draft picks the past two years. They are all busts. The last good player you guys picked up was a left tackle 3 or 4 years ago, hence the struggles you guys have had getting into the playoffs.

I know Cannon, you're excited that this will be a home game and you're hoping that field advantage will win the game for the Broncos. Take a look at our record on the road since Rex and Sanchez joined the Jets. You're also hoping that this is a trap game for the Jets because your record sucks so far. Yeah unfortunately our organization went out and got a coach that has won his entire life and a QB that has won his entire life. Then we also went out and got a bunch of negros who don't fight like bitches. Its a tough team which you know nothing about, but you'll see that on Sunday at 4:15. I really have no clue how the broncos will win an inch on the ground. I have no idea how you think Brandon Floyd and whatever other no name talent piece of **** receiver the broncos have will put up good numbers against our rush and our secondary with or without Revis.

You guys stopped Chris Johnson, wow, so have so many other teams this year mainly because they dont have Kevin Mewae and also because their offensive line isnt that great. Jones Drew? Even though you still lost that game against the jaguars, you guys shut him down. Guess what dick, so has every other team since the Jaguars are one dimensional. What are you so excited about this weekend? you're going up against a good football team. Good teams don't give up turnovers, not one yet in the last 4 games. Good football teams don't lose with the game on the line at the end, we've held on to the win with our defense closing out the game the last 3 out 4 games. the fourth game there was nothing to hold on to since we blew out buffalo. See my point, you're playing against a legit team this weekend and for someone who looks forward to the football season all year long, you shouldnt be running your mouth with having 3 losses already. Look at your ****ing division. Its a god damn joke and you haven't made the playoffs in like the last 3 years, i think. Don't worry though Cannon, once you go 2-4 this week after losing to the Jets, the second decent team you'll play since the start of the season, you have a very easy schedule ahead of you and there might still be a chance if you guys don't collapse again at the end of the season. I'm guessing you guys will collapse because typically thats a coaching problem. Teams watch film and see coaches doing the same thing every game and thats when you start to collapse, its from bad coaching and you have a terrible coach. i can't wait for sunday. dont be bitch when the your team loses again. we haven't seen you in a year so dont let your sorry ass team cause you to take your frustration out on us.

jmz313
10-14-2010, 10:34 AM
Or it's three TDs for 21 points and 1 Field Goal.

I'd love to see 3 TDs scored by the Broncos. recent History has me doubting this is the week.

PRBronco
10-14-2010, 10:41 AM
Oh I forgot they have Cromartie, that could be the boost our run game needs!

Beantown Bronco
10-14-2010, 10:48 AM
I'd love to see 3 TDs scored by the Broncos. recent History has me doubting this is the week.

Dude, where were you just two weeks ago when they scored 4 TDs?

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2010091909/2010/REG2/seahawks@broncos#recap-channels:cat-post-recap-full-story/tab:analyze

Missouribronc
10-14-2010, 11:10 AM
Dude, where were you just two weeks ago when they scored 4 TDs?

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2010091909/2010/REG2/seahawks@broncos#recap-channels:cat-post-recap-full-story/tab:analyze

Cowering in a hole waiting for last week to happen.

jmz313
10-14-2010, 12:35 PM
Dude, where were you just two weeks ago when they scored 4 TDs?

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2010091909/2010/REG2/seahawks@broncos#recap-channels:cat-post-recap-full-story/tab:analyze

Week 2 was a long time ago (3 weeks, lol) and was against who looks to be the weakest team on the 2010 schedule. Proving to be nothing worth pounding our chests about.

supermanhr9
10-14-2010, 12:37 PM
Guy is pretty legit.

Beantown Bronco
10-14-2010, 01:33 PM
Week 2 was a long time ago (3 weeks, lol) and was against who looks to be the weakest team on the 2010 schedule. Proving to be nothing worth pounding our chests about.

Way to backtrack.....

jmz313
10-14-2010, 01:50 PM
Way to backtrack.....

OK, sorry, I'll put all my money on the Broncos money line. Maybe we can use some week 2 TDs in week 6. Or is that not allowed?

OBF1
10-14-2010, 02:09 PM
AFC Championship game January 17, 1997 Denver 23 NY Jets 10

This is the most important stat of all, Next game we beat Atlanta and our 2nd superbowl title.


End debate

worm
10-14-2010, 02:35 PM
Rest of the secondary outside of Cromartie is very spotty in pass coverage.

Cromartie had a great game against Moss last week who was mostly running go routes. Cro's athletism helped him out because he didn't have to think too much.

He also has two ints this season because he gets a lot of balls thrown his way. BMarsh had 166 and a TD on him earlier this year and Cro looked really bad at times in coverage.

Sorry, he is as 'spotty' as the rest of the Jet coverage. I pray that they try to have Cro cover Lloyd one on one. Just run double-move routes and he is toast.

Mediator12
10-14-2010, 02:47 PM
The Jets leave their secondary out to dry because they play press man almost every down with very little safety support. If there is pressure on the QB, they usually win. If there is no pressure, the CB's get beat down. Therefore, their CB's live and die by the pass rush.

Cromartie is the perfect defender for Moss, because they are both tall, fast and thin. Marshall is too strong for him, Welker is too quick, and others are more precise route runners. Plus, Cromartie is a press man CB. He is pitiful in any zone read coverages. He has never learned zone worth a darn.

Missouribronc
10-14-2010, 02:50 PM
The Jets leave their secondary out to dry because they play press man almost every down with very little safety support. If there is pressure on the QB, they usually win. If there is no pressure, the CB's get beat down. Therefore, their CB's live and die by the pass rush.

Cromartie is the perfect defender for Moss, because they are both tall, fast and thin. Marshall is too strong for him, Welker is too quick, and others are more precise route runners. Plus, Cromartie is a press man CB. He is pitiful in any zone read coverages. He has never learned zone worth a darn.

That doesn't make me feel good. Brandon Lloyd sounds like the perfect match up for Cromartie.

I hope Gaffney and Royal can get open, and quickly.

Rock Chalk
10-14-2010, 02:57 PM
That doesn't make me feel good. Brandon Lloyd sounds like the perfect match up for Cromartie.

I hope Gaffney and Royal can get open, and quickly.

What are you talking about? Lloyd is a great route runner.

Missouribronc
10-14-2010, 03:16 PM
What are you talking about? Lloyd is a great route runner.

I was more referring to the tall, thin and fast thing, and that Lloyd is kind of playing the Moss role on this team.

azbroncfan
10-18-2010, 11:47 AM
The Jets leave their secondary out to dry because they play press man almost every down with very little safety support. If there is pressure on the QB, they usually win. If there is no pressure, the CB's get beat down. Therefore, their CB's live and die by the pass rush.

Cromartie is the perfect defender for Moss, because they are both tall, fast and thin. Marshall is too strong for him, Welker is too quick, and others are more precise route runners. Plus, Cromartie is a press man CB. He is pitiful in any zone read coverages. He has never learned zone worth a darn.

Someone will adjust and beat the Jets down like Pittsburgh did to us in the 2005 AFC championship game when Denver employed that type of blitzing.

Beantown Bronco
10-19-2010, 11:01 AM
My friend just sent me this:

ESPN researcher Mark Simon sent along an interesting nugget about how peculiar the New York Jets' victory against the Denver Broncos was Sunday.

The Jets were:

On the road.
Outgained on the ground.
Outgained in the air.
Beaten in the turnover battle.

Since 2007, there have been 125 games in which all of those criteria were met. In those situations, teams are 3-122.

bronco militia
10-19-2010, 11:08 AM
My friend just sent me this:

ESPN researcher Mark Simon sent along an interesting nugget about how peculiar the New York Jets' victory against the Denver Broncos was Sunday.

The Jets were:

On the road.
Outgained on the ground.
Outgained in the air.
Beaten in the turnover battle.

Since 2007, there have been 125 games in which all of those criteria were met. In those situations, teams are 3-122.


should we laugh or cry? only the broncos are so epic in defeat

Mediator12
10-19-2010, 11:18 AM
Someone will adjust and beat the Jets down like Pittsburgh did to us in the 2005 AFC championship game when Denver employed that type of blitzing.

That was INDY in the playoffs last year.

Gort
10-19-2010, 01:25 PM
should we laugh or cry? only the broncos are so epic in defeat

Broncos drives:

1) 1 play, 10 yards, fumble
2) 3 plays, 4 yards, punt
3) 6 plays, 23 yards, botched FG
4) 8 plays, 80 yards, TD
5) 4 plays, -1 yards, punt
6) 3 plays, 1 yard, punt
7) 7 plays, 24 yards, FG
- halftime -
8) 11 plays, 49 yards, missed FG
9) 6 plays, 20 yards, punt
10) 5 plays, 37 yards, TD
11) 3 plays, -5 yards, punt
12) 3 plays, 0 yards, punt
13) 9 plays, 55 yards, FG
14) 4 plays, 36 yards, fumble

that's why the Broncos lost. specifically, drives 11) and 12). pinned deep in their own territory, they couldn't mount any sort of offense had twice had to give the ball back (quickly) to the Jets at around midfield. that eventually eld to the Jets TD that tied the game. in the 4th quarter with a lead, you've got to be able to control the ball, move the ball, and run down the clock. they couldn't. that's why they lost.

by my count, there were 6 completely inept drives and 2 drives ended with points left on the field. finally, 1 drive was in desperation and ended with a TO. that's 9 of 14 drives where the Broncos offense either couldn't do anything or shot itself in the foot. only 5 possessions resulted in scores, or moving the ball to help win the field position battle. both drives ending with missed FG opportunities helped with the battle of field position, but we all know those missed 6 points were worth alot more in the grand scheme.

bronco militia
10-19-2010, 01:46 PM
Broncos drives:

1) 1 play, 10 yards, fumble
2) 3 plays, 4 yards, punt
3) 6 plays, 23 yards, botched FG
4) 8 plays, 80 yards, TD
5) 4 plays, -1 yards, punt
6) 3 plays, 1 yard, punt
7) 7 plays, 24 yards, FG
- halftime -
8) 11 plays, 49 yards, missed FG
9) 6 plays, 20 yards, punt
10) 5 plays, 37 yards, TD
11) 3 plays, -5 yards, punt
12) 3 plays, 0 yards, punt
13) 9 plays, 55 yards, FG
14) 4 plays, 36 yards, fumble

that's why the Broncos lost. specifically, drives 11) and 12). pinned deep in their own territory, they couldn't mount any sort of offense had twice had to give the ball back (quickly) to the Jets at around midfield. that eventually eld to the Jets TD that tied the game. in the 4th quarter with a lead, you've got to be able to control the ball, move the ball, and run down the clock. they couldn't. that's why they lost.

by my count, there were 6 completely inept drives and 2 drives ended with points left on the field. finally, 1 drive was in desperation and ended with a TO. that's 9 of 14 drives where the Broncos offense either couldn't do anything or shot itself in the foot. only 5 possessions resulted in scores, or moving the ball to help win the field position battle. both drives ending with missed FG opportunities helped with the battle of field position, but we all know those missed 6 points were worth alot more in the grand scheme.

I agree with all that......I was so pissed off at the play calling on drives 11 and 12. Mcdummy ran on 1st and 2nd down of both drives and both times Orton faced 3rd and long before the inevatable punt.