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cmhargrove
10-13-2010, 11:32 AM
Ok, this is a check-down from the depressing injury front.

Looking at the team right now, you pick up the phone and call Xanders (on speed dial of course). If you could trade for one player in the league right now to help salvage the season, who would it be?

Let's just say you have all the ammo you need, and damn the consequences for future drafts. Who is the one difference maker you would bring in right now?

PRBronco
10-13-2010, 11:33 AM
Polamalu.

Rohirrim
10-13-2010, 11:34 AM
Haloti Ngata.

bowtown
10-13-2010, 11:34 AM
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baja
10-13-2010, 11:35 AM
A young Nails.

Right now we are the headless horsemen.

cmhargrove
10-13-2010, 11:35 AM
i went back and forth on this one.

One side of me thinks Manning is the Colts and could give us 2 more TD's per game, but Orton is doing fine.

Then I thought Chris Johnson, but we just took him out of a game, so he isn't the difference maker we need.

Due to how he is playing this season, and our injuries at the position, I was kind of leaning towards Clay Matthews. That guy is turning into an absolute difference maker against the run and pass. it wouldn't surprise me to see him end the season as the NFL sack leader, and we need to get off the field on third downs.

So, I'd trade next year's first and third for Clay Matthews

Beantown Bronco
10-13-2010, 11:36 AM
Haloti Ngata.

This. Or Wilfork.

Bronco Boy
10-13-2010, 11:37 AM
Matt Birk?

Beantown Bronco
10-13-2010, 11:37 AM
A young Nails

.....for one player in the league right now....

vancejohnson82
10-13-2010, 11:38 AM
Peyton Hillis

baja
10-13-2010, 11:38 AM
.....for one player in the league right now....

OK than I'd go with Clay Mathews

gyldenlove
10-13-2010, 11:39 AM
John Q Hypotheticalson

Traveler
10-13-2010, 11:40 AM
Mankins?

bowtown
10-13-2010, 11:42 AM
Stone Cold Steve Austin

Carmelo15
10-13-2010, 11:42 AM
Patrick Willis

chickennob2
10-13-2010, 11:43 AM
Elvis Dumervil

SonOfLe-loLang
10-13-2010, 11:43 AM
John Q Hypotheticalson

DRAFT PROFILE
TE - John Q Hypotheticalson, Miami - 40 yd dash - 4.34

Though he doesn't have Jermaine Gresham's big name, the 6-6, 265-pound Hypotheticalson could compete with the former Oklahoma star at the top of tight end rankings if he can prove he's healthy. Proving his health, however, is the big question as Hypotheticalson, who missed the entire 2009 season due to injury.

Voted a third-team All-American in 2008 after he caught 47 passes for 672 yards and 10 touchdowns despite missing the first three games due to illness (mono), Hypotheticalson entered the 2009 season on the John Mackey Award watch list. A lingering back injury in the preseason, however, ultimately required "Hypo" to undergo surgery, ending his season -- and as it turns out, his collegiate career.

Despite having only two seasons under his belt, the 20-year old Hypotheticalson is Miami's all-time leading tight end in various categories, including the single-game, single-season, and career leader in receptions (75), receiving yards (1,197) and touchdowns (16).

Blessed with great size, good athleticism and soft hands, he's a true threat on short and intermediate routes and a better blocker than Gresham or most of the other tights in this class. If not for the injury concerns, this all-around performer would be a first round cinch. But now team doctors will have the final say on how fall he'll fall.

Quoydogs
10-13-2010, 11:44 AM
Polamalu.

This

Peoples Champ
10-13-2010, 11:45 AM
earl thomas, safety

Rabb
10-13-2010, 11:45 AM
Mankins or AD

either we help the blocking or get a guy that can make something out of nothing

Los Broncos
10-13-2010, 11:48 AM
Foneco

Mogulseeker
10-13-2010, 11:48 AM
Haloti Ngata.

^

bronco militia
10-13-2010, 11:51 AM
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bronco militia
10-13-2010, 11:52 AM
http://broncotalk.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/peytonhillis.jpg

;D

GoHAM
10-13-2010, 11:52 AM
Alphonso Smith

SouthStndJunkie
10-13-2010, 11:54 AM
I would take DeMarcus Ware.

We need sacks, forced fumbles, and pressure on the QB and he is top notch on all those fronts.

Quoydogs
10-13-2010, 11:56 AM
What's his name from the ravens Ngata or something like that. 6'4" 350 and athletic. They showed a play were they put him in pass coverage.

Champagne Powder
10-13-2010, 12:02 PM
http://www.corbisimages.com/images/67/719B4409-9A59-44F3-AE25-606043C62E60/U1984829.jpg

Miss I.
10-13-2010, 12:04 PM
Stone Cold Steve Austin

oh please, clearly the right answer is

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_gOgWPraoSO0/TI-acS7QNZI/AAAAAAAAAZk/0qBXCyeOjcs/s1600/ChuckNorris.jpg

Missouribronc
10-13-2010, 12:04 PM
Jahri Evans.

serious hops
10-13-2010, 12:06 PM
Gimme Mario Williams. I think he's big enough and bad enough to be a disruptive five-technique.

Smiling Assassin27
10-13-2010, 12:07 PM
Mike Tomlin

cutthemdown
10-13-2010, 12:17 PM
Can i pick Elway?

Garcia Bronco
10-13-2010, 12:20 PM
Patrick Willis

This for me.

Garcia Bronco
10-13-2010, 12:21 PM
Gimme Mario Williams. I think he's big enough and bad enough to be a disruptive five-technique.

5-tech means the DE lines up outside the OT, right?

vancejohnson82
10-13-2010, 12:22 PM
Domenik Hixon

baja
10-13-2010, 12:27 PM
Sell the team to Carlos Slim

jhns
10-13-2010, 12:28 PM
Peppers

serious hops
10-13-2010, 12:34 PM
5-tech means the DE lines up outside the OT, right?

On the OT's outside shoulder, yea. I don't know the specifics of Wink's defense, but 5-tech is typically what 3-4 ends are playing. Guys who can handle the position's gap control responsibilities and still generate pass rush are extremely rare-- I'd kill to add a player like that to our front.

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loborugger
10-13-2010, 02:58 PM
Team is in need of skilled beef; its gotta be someone on the line. I dont think one player on the O Line fixes the run as much as someone like Ngata, Wilfork, or Casey Hampton works on the D-Line.

broncocalijohn
10-13-2010, 03:01 PM
Peyton Hillis

surprised it wasnt the first post.

The MVPlaya
10-13-2010, 03:24 PM
The positions I'd look for are DL, ILB, LG

MAYBE RB and Safety

It depends if you're adding a player to the team and trading a player away (like if I were to say Polamolu, would Dawkins be traded?)

Long term, a OLB wouldn't be any good unless we shipped away Dumervil or Ayers.

But let's just say we KEEP our roster as is

I'd have to say it'd be on the DL or ILB. Possibly a LG... that would be good too.

So therefore Patrick Willis or Ngata. These both fit long term and short term plans perfectly.

LG would be nice but we have young players there. However, if Zane Beadles is a lifetime "jack of all trades" that's ok. The key here is that the LG is proven and we're not drafting 1.

Lomax
10-13-2010, 03:25 PM
Dare I say: Ray Lewis

jmz313
10-13-2010, 04:00 PM
Ngata or Willis.

Liquid Courage
10-13-2010, 04:17 PM
Mike Tomlin

funny, i was going to say Dick Lebeau :strong:

GoBroncos84
10-13-2010, 04:21 PM
Probably comes down to 3 players. Haloti Ngata, Jahri Evans, and Adrian Peterson. I think AD is the biggest offensive playmaker in the league, but if our line was improved I think that a healthy Moreno could do just fine. So probably eliminate him. Leaves the two bigs. Offense or Defense. I take Ngata

gunns
10-13-2010, 04:23 PM
Patrick Willis

McDman
10-13-2010, 04:25 PM
DRAFT PROFILE
TE - John Q Hypotheticalson, Miami - 40 yd dash - 4.34

Though he doesn't have Jermaine Gresham's big name, the 6-6, 265-pound Hypotheticalson could compete with the former Oklahoma star at the top of tight end rankings if he can prove he's healthy. Proving his health, however, is the big question as Hypotheticalson, who missed the entire 2009 season due to injury.

Voted a third-team All-American in 2008 after he caught 47 passes for 672 yards and 10 touchdowns despite missing the first three games due to illness (mono), Hypotheticalson entered the 2009 season on the John Mackey Award watch list. A lingering back injury in the preseason, however, ultimately required "Hypo" to undergo surgery, ending his season -- and as it turns out, his collegiate career.

Despite having only two seasons under his belt, the 20-year old Hypotheticalson is Miami's all-time leading tight end in various categories, including the single-game, single-season, and career leader in receptions (75), receiving yards (1,197) and touchdowns (16).

Blessed with great size, good athleticism and soft hands, he's a true threat on short and intermediate routes and a better blocker than Gresham or most of the other tights in this class. If not for the injury concerns, this all-around performer would be a first round cinch. But now team doctors will have the final say on how fall he'll fall.


http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/funny-pictures-cat-loled.jpg

WolfpackGuy
10-13-2010, 04:29 PM
Brett Kern

extralife
10-13-2010, 04:59 PM
DeMarcus Ware over Clay Matthews, Adrian Peterson, and Revis

gunns
10-13-2010, 05:14 PM
Yes, I would love Ngata too but since it asked for only one, I'd take Willis.

ColoradoDarin
10-13-2010, 05:30 PM
So my first thought was Barry Sanders, but then I got the 'current' part. Probably Ngata.

go_broncos
10-13-2010, 05:34 PM
Hillis.

~Crash~
10-13-2010, 06:08 PM
Can i pick Elway?

yeah but I think Jack Quit football so you would probably better not .:wiggle:

~Crash~
10-13-2010, 06:12 PM
Steve Hutchinson

Bigdawg26
10-13-2010, 07:36 PM
http://img2.moonbuggy.org/imgstore/cyborg-pirate-ninja-jesus.jpg

iforgotmypassword
10-13-2010, 09:38 PM
I think it has to be Willis.... I wouldnt mind Nicholas Mangold or Polamalu..... touch choice but in order who Id add to this team CONSIDERING YOUTH

1. Willis
2. AD
3. Mangold
4. Bradford
5. Joe Thomas.... imagine those 2 tackles for a decade

extralife
10-13-2010, 09:43 PM
Why would youth matter at all if the question is who could save this particular season? What the hell would Sam Bradford do for us?

TheReverend
10-13-2010, 10:04 PM
Willis over Ngata, but Ngata's a ridiculously close 2nd. 3rd would be Jahri Evans... I might have made him first but I think an all pro OL might look stupid here. Give me Revis fourth and Adrian Wilson fifth.

Tim
10-13-2010, 10:07 PM
Darrell Revis

Houshyamama
10-13-2010, 10:44 PM
i went back and forth on this one.

One side of me thinks Manning is the Colts and could give us 2 more TD's per game, but Orton is doing fine.

Then I thought Chris Johnson, but we just took him out of a game, so he isn't the difference maker we need.

Due to how he is playing this season, and our injuries at the position, I was kind of leaning towards Clay Matthews. That guy is turning into an absolute difference maker against the run and pass. it wouldn't surprise me to see him end the season as the NFL sack leader, and we need to get off the field on third downs.

So, I'd trade next year's first and third for Clay Matthews

If that's all it took to get Matthews we'd do it in a heartbeat

strafen
10-13-2010, 11:05 PM
Orakpo, Clay Mathews Jr., BJ Raji, Brian Cushings, Maualuga...
Hillis!
Oh, wait!

The Joker
10-13-2010, 11:38 PM
Ngata, for sure. He'd singlehandedly turn our D-line from a bad unit into a really good one.

Sure someone like Patrick Willis or Polamalu would be awesome to have in terms of playmaking ability, but I'm not sure they'd have all that much opportunity to make plays all that often with the lack of disruption our line causes. A guy like Ngata eats double teams and still gets push, he'd do wonders for our pass rush as well as run defense just because he'd be creating one on one matchups for our blitzing LB's.

He's also capable of playing both DE and NT, which would solve the issue we have when Williams needs a breather and there's nobody who can fill in for him adequately at NT.

The running game will improve as the year goes on and the line gels, adding an elite RB or Guard would always be nice but no way it improves our offense to the degree that a guy like Ngata would upgrade our D.

BroncoBuff
10-13-2010, 11:40 PM
Ngata, Willis, Ware ... or Frank Gore.

ZONA
10-14-2010, 12:38 AM
Janikowski :notworthy

cutthemdown
10-14-2010, 12:52 AM
LOL at saying Chris Johnson not the difference maker we would need because we stopped him. I bet if we played him again he would go for 150 and 3 tds.

A player like AD or Chris Johnson, or Ray Rice, would be huge in Denver. Those guys have gears our rbs lack. Would they make a difference between 6-10 and superbowl? no way. No one player can fix Denver.

We still haven't solved the front 7, the safety's, the TE, the interior oline, Rb's etc etc.

The MVPlaya
10-14-2010, 02:16 AM
LOL at saying Chris Johnson not the difference maker we would need because we stopped him. I bet if we played him again he would go for 150 and 3 tds.


Are you ****ing kidding me? We stopped Chris Johnson. Are you trying to say it was a fluke? I know you don't like McDaniels and all, but GTFOH here with that garbage. We DID stop him so accept that **** and give credit where credit is due. I bet if Shanny was here and held him to what we did you'd be slobbering on his damn nuts about it.

Your **** is straight GARBAGE. GTFOH, I think you're still stuck in 1998.

http://upshizzle.com/pfiles/2305/kittowned.gif

epicSocialism4tw
10-14-2010, 09:59 AM
This team needs a veteran center

extralife
10-14-2010, 10:29 AM
Are you ****ing kidding me? We stopped Chris Johnson. Are you trying to say it was a fluke? I know you don't like McDaniels and all, but GTFOH here with that garbage. We DID stop him so accept that **** and give credit where credit is due. I bet if Shanny was here and held him to what we did you'd be slobbering on his damn nuts about it.

Your **** is straight GARBAGE. GTFOH, I think you're still stuck in 1998.

http://upshizzle.com/pfiles/2305/kittowned.gif

lol

guys, I guess Chris Johnson sucks now

Kaylore
10-14-2010, 11:02 AM
Willis would be so awesome.

Dedhed
10-14-2010, 11:11 AM
It would be a toss up between Ngata and Willis for me.

bowtown
10-14-2010, 11:13 AM
I'd like to get a little competition in here for Colquitt. I'm still not convinced that he's got the job locked up.

cmhargrove
10-14-2010, 12:04 PM
I'd like to get a little competition in here for Colquitt. I'm still not convinced that he's got the job locked up.

So the Punter is the "one guy?'

Pony Boy
10-14-2010, 02:56 PM
A trainer

baja
10-14-2010, 03:00 PM
A trainer

LOL

You gotta wonder

Los Broncos
10-14-2010, 03:37 PM
A trainer

you like whips and chains?

Dagmar
10-14-2010, 03:44 PM
Orton for Willis, straight up.

:wiggle:

chadta
10-14-2010, 04:03 PM
nobody said fonoco yet ?

Sassy
10-14-2010, 06:55 PM
TD of 1997-1998

Baba Booey
10-14-2010, 06:56 PM
All Day AP...no question.

iforgotmypassword
10-14-2010, 08:26 PM
Why would youth matter at all if the question is who could save this particular season? What the hell would Sam Bradford do for us?

the convo kinda changed to that..... sorry dude

montrose
10-14-2010, 08:35 PM
Mankins.

cutthemdown
10-15-2010, 11:27 AM
Are you ****ing kidding me? We stopped Chris Johnson. Are you trying to say it was a fluke? I know you don't like McDaniels and all, but GTFOH here with that garbage. We DID stop him so accept that **** and give credit where credit is due. I bet if Shanny was here and held him to what we did you'd be slobbering on his damn nuts about it.

Your **** is straight GARBAGE. GTFOH, I think you're still stuck in 1998.

http://upshizzle.com/pfiles/2305/kittowned.gif


You for real? We let Ray Rice run wild and our overall stats for run defense stink. It was a fluke we stopped Johnson. Titans had a bad game.

Chris Johnson one of the most explosive, talented players in the NFL anyone who would say they don't want him because Broncos held him to 50 yrds is an idiot.

cutthemdown
10-15-2010, 11:28 AM
Are you ****ing kidding me? We stopped Chris Johnson. Are you trying to say it was a fluke? I know you don't like McDaniels and all, but GTFOH here with that garbage. We DID stop him so accept that **** and give credit where credit is due. I bet if Shanny was here and held him to what we did you'd be slobbering on his damn nuts about it.

Your **** is straight GARBAGE. GTFOH, I think you're still stuck in 1998.

http://upshizzle.com/pfiles/2305/kittowned.gif


Yes I am saying it was a fluke. Bronco run defense stinks.

BroncoBuff
10-15-2010, 11:51 AM
If I could add one player? I say let's party!

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DarkHorse
10-15-2010, 01:27 PM
I would take Jamaal Charles over Chris Johnson, i'm probably one of very very (unique?) few that feel that way.

Dislike the Chiefs but there's something about this kid that screams of a good 4-5 year cream of the crop RB career.

Reminds me a lot of young Portis and CJ combined.

dsmoot
10-15-2010, 01:43 PM
Suh

Br0nc0Buster
10-15-2010, 01:44 PM
well Hillis of course

but outside of him I would say Ngata would be a great pick

then again he might actually kill one of our linemen in practice so we would have to be careful

Br0nc0Buster
10-15-2010, 01:45 PM
I would take Jamaal Charles over Chris Johnson, i'm probably one of very very (unique?) few that feel that way.

Dislike the Chiefs but there's something about this kid that screams of a good 4-5 year cream of the crop RB career.

Reminds me a lot of young Portis and CJ combined.

yeah because that is very silly

there is nothing Charles can do that Johnson cant
and Johnson doesnt have any possible durability concerns

BroncoBuff
10-15-2010, 02:16 PM
Orton for Willis, straight up.

:wiggle:

No ... Quinn and a 6th :thumbs:

(Either Quinn)

DarkHorse
10-15-2010, 03:33 PM
yeah because that is very silly

there is nothing Charles can do that Johnson cant
and Johnson doesnt have any possible durability concerns


Just taking into consideration the 2 years less beating that Johnson has taken over a fresh Charles. I feel they're comparable running style and ability - that's my opinion of course. Charles hasn't had the opportunity that Johnson has had thus far so that probably sounds just as silly.

Ramathorn
10-15-2010, 05:31 PM
jake long

Zoobie
10-16-2010, 12:04 AM
http://www.eurweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/darnell-dockett.jpg


Darnell Dockett, for sure. He is someone you can line up all over the field in a 34 defensive front. He can blow up running lanes, disrupt plays in the backfield, and he is a ferocious pass rusher.

The MVPlaya
10-16-2010, 12:34 AM
Yes I am saying it was a fluke. Bronco run defense stinks.

So I guess the 3 games before that were fluky too, you know, not allowing 1 rusher over 100 yards. We held the Colts to their worse rushing performance this season thus far too.

The only thing that stinks is you.

The MVPlaya
10-16-2010, 12:34 AM
http://www.eurweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/darnell-dockett.jpg


Darnell Dockett, for sure. He is someone you can line up all over the field in a 34 defensive front. He can blow up running lanes, disrupt plays in the backfield, and he is a ferocious pass rusher.

So your claim is Darnell Docket > Ngata and Patrick Willis?

Zoobie
10-16-2010, 12:39 AM
So your claim is Darnell Docket > Ngata and Patrick Willis?

For our defense? Yes. He plays the run extremely well, AND he can pass rush. Ngata is a better lane-clogger, but he can't even hold Darnell's jock in the pass rushing department. As far as Willis, I think he is amazing, but an ILB is not going to help much without some push up front.

The MVPlaya
10-16-2010, 12:50 AM
For our defense? Yes. He plays the run extremely well, AND he can pass rush. Ngata is a better lane-clogger, but he can't even hold Darnell's jock in the pass rushing department. As far as Willis, I think he is amazing, but an ILB is not going to help much without some push up front.

You'd have to be on some serious drugs to take Dockett over Willis and Ngata.

Zoobie
10-16-2010, 01:10 AM
You'd have to be on some serious drugs to take Dockett over Willis and Ngata.

Explain.:peace:

The MVPlaya
10-16-2010, 03:11 AM
Explain.:peace:

There's really not much to explain, just the obvious.

You said Patrick Willis needs to get a push up front to be effective.. wtf? Last year was the 1st year the Niners ever had an effective front line. Willis has been dominant the second he stepped into the league. I'm not sure how you can pass up arguably the BEST DEFENSIVE PLAYER in the league.

Ngata is just a beast. He's versatile and can play every single position on the dline. He's a much better 2 gapping player than Dockett. He's a protypical 3-4 dlineman, there is no way in hell you could pass him. He CAN do everything, drop into coverage, stop the run, push the LOS, hold his gaps, etc. Extremely smart player + physical. Dockett couldn't hold Ngata's jock on a cold day in Denver. Any 3-4 team in the league right now would trade a 1st for him without hesitation.

And to top all of that of Cardinals fans don't even like Dockett right now... they say he's lazy now cuz his contract, twitter got to his head.. etc

So pretty much, Willis and Ngata are 10x the player Dockett is on the field, and off the field they're professionals.

You seen some of the stuff Dockett has done off the field?

Really, Dockett over Ngata and Willis can't even be up for debate.

Oh, and let's not discount the age factor.

Dockett is 29
Ngata is 26
Willis is 25

SPORTSWRITER
10-16-2010, 03:35 AM
This
That.

CEH
10-16-2010, 09:20 AM
I'm thinking either round out the front seven with a player like Willis or create the ulimate mismatch and line another elite pass rusher up opposite Doom like a Ware but for an up and comer beast I really like Clay Matthews

Of course Troy Polamalu makes any D better and possibly great. Bummer he was our main target at 20 until Pitts traded up.

Just think how different the world would be had Denver been able to secure Freeny and Troy their two top targets those years

TheReverend
10-16-2010, 09:49 AM
There's really not much to explain, just the obvious.

You said Patrick Willis needs to get a push up front to be effective.. wtf? Last year was the 1st year the Niners ever had an effective front line. Willis has been dominant the second he stepped into the league. I'm not sure how you can pass up arguably the BEST DEFENSIVE PLAYER in the league.

Ngata is just a beast. He's versatile and can play every single position on the dline. He's a much better 2 gapping player than Dockett. He's a protypical 3-4 dlineman, there is no way in hell you could pass him. He CAN do everything, drop into coverage, stop the run, push the LOS, hold his gaps, etc. Extremely smart player + physical. Dockett couldn't hold Ngata's jock on a cold day in Denver. Any 3-4 team in the league right now would trade a 1st for him without hesitation.

And to top all of that of Cardinals fans don't even like Dockett right now... they say he's lazy now cuz his contract, twitter got to his head.. etc

So pretty much, Willis and Ngata are 10x the player Dockett is on the field, and off the field they're professionals.

You seen some of the stuff Dockett has done off the field?

Really, Dockett over Ngata and Willis can't even be up for debate.

Oh, and let's not discount the age factor.

Dockett is 29
Ngata is 26
Willis is 25

Uhh

1. He just signed an extension in Sept

2. What off the field stuff?

3. Guy hasn't missed a game in his career.

4. Where did you pull "Cardinal fans don't even like him" from?

Zoobie
10-16-2010, 10:09 AM
There's really not much to explain, just the obvious.

You said Patrick Willis needs to get a push up front to be effective.. wtf? Last year was the 1st year the Niners ever had an effective front line. Willis has been dominant the second he stepped into the league. I'm not sure how you can pass up arguably the BEST DEFENSIVE PLAYER in the league.

Ngata is just a beast. He's versatile and can play every single position on the dline. He's a much better 2 gapping player than Dockett. He's a protypical 3-4 dlineman, there is no way in hell you could pass him. He CAN do everything, drop into coverage, stop the run, push the LOS, hold his gaps, etc. Extremely smart player + physical. Dockett couldn't hold Ngata's jock on a cold day in Denver. Any 3-4 team in the league right now would trade a 1st for him without hesitation.

And to top all of that of Cardinals fans don't even like Dockett right now... they say he's lazy now cuz his contract, twitter got to his head.. etc

So pretty much, Willis and Ngata are 10x the player Dockett is on the field, and off the field they're professionals.

You seen some of the stuff Dockett has done off the field?

Really, Dockett over Ngata and Willis can't even be up for debate.

Oh, and let's not discount the age factor.

Dockett is 29
Ngata is 26
Willis is 25

1. Did you read the point of this thread, it's about THIS YEAR, not ten years from now.

2. Who gives a **** what Cardinals fans are saying? Well you, obviously. Twitter got to his head? :spit: Nice argument.

3. Willis has had a good front 3 for multiple years now, Fields was good there, they have Justin Smith, Ray Macdonald, Isaac Sopoaga, etc..

4. How many games have the Niners won since Willis was drafted? Hmmm? An interior linebacker wouldn't save this team, especially when opposing blockers would be getting to him all day with our front 3.

5. Ngata IS a better lane clogger, and more stout against the run.

6. Dockett IS a better pass rusher, and this team desperately needs a pass rush as well as run stuffing. Ngata is smart? So is Darnell. Haloti can play every position on the d-line? Surprise! So can Dockett.

The MVPlaya
10-16-2010, 08:59 PM
1. Did you read the point of this thread, it's about THIS YEAR, not ten years from now.


An addition this year would effect us ten years from now, wouldn't it?


2. Who gives a **** what Cardinals fans are saying? Well you, obviously. Twitter got to his head? :spit: Nice argument.

I'm just relaying the information back here. If the team's own FANS aren't happy with the player, what the **** makes you think he's worth as much as you're saying he is?


3. Willis has had a good front 3 for multiple years now, Fields was good there, they have Justin Smith, Ray Macdonald, Isaac Sopoaga, etc..

Uh no dumbass. They NEVER had a good line till last year when Franklin broke out. You have no idea what the **** you're talking about here. Go talk to some niner fans and tell them that they've had a good front 3 for multiple years, and see what they say. Fields? Really? He was so good they let him go huh?


4. How many games have the
Niners won since Willis was drafted? Hmmm? An interior linebacker wouldn't save this team, especially when opposing blockers would be getting to him all day with our front 3.

You're a ****ing idiot. Do you now see how well DJ Williams is playing? You're logic is broken here. How many games have they won? Is WILLIS a QB now? How many games have the Raiders won with Asomugha? Does that mean he sucks? again, broken logic.


5. Ngata IS a better lane clogger, and more stout against the run.

Yep and that's the #1 priority of a 3-4 2 gapping defensive lineman, stopping the run.


6. Dockett IS a better pass rusher, and this team desperately needs a pass rush as well as run stuffing. Ngata is smart? So is Darnell. Haloti can play every position on the d-line? Surprise! So can Dockett.

lol Ngata is a much better 2 gapping player than Dockett, but you can think otherwise like a ****ing moron. You're on you're own here, I'm not sure anyone in the damn business would agree that Dockett would be a better pick over Ngata in ANY situation of a 3-4 2 2 gapping defense.

The MVPlaya
10-16-2010, 09:03 PM
Uhh

1. He just signed an extension in Sept

Isn't that the point? Are you kidding me?


2. What off the field stuff?

Go search it up.


3. Guy hasn't missed a game in his career.

Cool story bro, not sure how this rebuttals or contributes to an argument against me.


4. Where did you pull "Cardinal fans don't even like him" from?

I have a lot of friends that are from the Bay Area and Arizona... so naturally I'm up to date on those teams (NFC west)... but just go look for yourself. I'm not sure what they're saying at this moment since they beat the Saints but before that they weren't happy with Dockett.

epicSocialism4tw
10-16-2010, 09:39 PM
Go search it up.



The MVPlaya.

"Searchin' it up" since 2005.

Cito Pelon
10-16-2010, 10:10 PM
Festus Hagen.

TheReverend
10-16-2010, 10:16 PM
Isn't that the point? Are you kidding me?

Go search it up.

Cool story bro, not sure how this rebuttals or contributes to an argument against me.

I have a lot of friends that are from the Bay Area and Arizona... so naturally I'm up to date on those teams (NFC west)... but just go look for yourself. I'm not sure what they're saying at this moment since they beat the Saints but before that they weren't happy with Dockett.

I'll take "go search it up" as "I'm talking out of my ass". Dockett hasn't been in any trouble since his FSU days. And if your "friends" say he's been lazy since his contract, or that Arizona fans don't like him, they're idiots. He's been every bit the impact player and fan favorite as he always is.

Zoobie
10-16-2010, 10:32 PM
An addition this year would effect us ten years from now, wouldn't it?



I'm just relaying the information back here. If the team's own FANS aren't happy with the player, what the **** makes you think he's worth as much as you're saying he is?



Uh no dumbass. They NEVER had a good line till last year when Franklin broke out. You have no idea what the **** you're talking about here. Go talk to some niner fans and tell them that they've had a good front 3 for multiple years, and see what they say. Fields? Really? He was so good they let him go huh?



You're a ****ing idiot. Do you now see how well DJ Williams is playing? You're logic is broken here. How many games have they won? Is WILLIS a QB now? How many games have the Raiders won with Asomugha? Does that mean he sucks? again, broken logic.



Yep and that's the #1 priority of a 3-4 2 gapping defensive lineman, stopping the run.



lol Ngata is a much better 2 gapping player than Dockett, but you can think otherwise like a ****ing moron. You're on you're own here, I'm not sure anyone in the damn business would agree that Dockett would be a better pick over Ngata in ANY situation of a 3-4 2 2 gapping defense.

Are you high? THIS YEAR, meaning what will help us THIS season, how do you not comprehend that?

Every team has fans who dislike certain players, if there is a Cardinals fan who is not happy with Dockett, they are retarded because he's the best player in their front seven.

I have many MANY friends who are 49ers fans, and the defense has not been the issue, especially over the last three seasons. Fields played very well in rotation with Macdonald, Franklin, Smith, etc... Their defense as a unit has been good the past 3 years, despite being stuck in horrid field position game in and game out thanks to their anemic offense. They are on the field way too often, and if you paired that defense with even an adequate offense that didn't turn the ball over, their "rankings" would reflect that.
Sopoaga, Smith, Macdonald, Franklin, and yes even Fields have been a part of a very solid unit. And again, I don't "need to go ask some fans brah" because I watch just about every niners game anyhow as i've lived with their fans off and on the past 4 years. As for the 49ers letting Fields go, what ****ing logic are you using here? Was he a superstar? No, I never said that, but he was a very solid part of their rotation. You should go to night school and take some reading classes.

Did I say Willis wouldn't make a diffence? Hell no. You should realize that the things you say are opinion, not fact. Yes, DJ is playing solid football(though not spectacular), but if you have watched any of our ****ing games this season you see him get washed out of plays, leaving him helplessly overrun by opposing blockers. My opinion is, even if we have a player of Willis' caliber in the middle, there is still not much they can do when there are blockers consistently getting to the second level.

Once again, Ngata is able to eat up blockers, and play as a 2 gapper extremely well, yet once again you completely ignore my ****ing point. What Darnell lacks(I only say "lacks" when comparing him to one of the best lineman in the NFL) as a space eater who can collapse the interior of a defense, he more than makes up for with his pass rush. The Broncos, Denver Broncos, as in our team, severely need a pash rush this season. Dockett helps BOTH phases of our defense up front, am I saying he's a better player than Ngata? Not unless it's your dumbass reading my sentences. In a long term scenario would I rather have Dockett over Ngata? No, but that's not what was specified in this thread, which you fail to wrap your little ****ing head around.

If I could have one player to help out this team for the 2010 season, it would be Darnell Dockett. It's called an opinion, I have mine and you can have yours. Just because I do not agree with you, doesn't make you correct.

KipCorrington25
10-16-2010, 10:34 PM
The question should be, which of the players that McDaniels has run off would you like to have back?

Marshall, Cutler, Hillis, Webster, Scheffler, etc?

extralife
10-16-2010, 10:34 PM
Webster lol

azbroncfan
10-16-2010, 10:50 PM
No one because this team has many needs so why salvage the future to a lost cause. At best we may make the playoffs and get beat right away.

The MVPlaya
10-16-2010, 10:50 PM
I'll take "go search it up" as "I'm talking out of my ass". Dockett hasn't been in any trouble since his FSU days. And if your "friends" say he's been lazy since his contract, or that Arizona fans don't like him, they're idiots. He's been every bit the impact player and fan favorite as he always is.

No I'm not. I guess you're too lazy to use google though.

The MVPlaya
10-16-2010, 11:01 PM
Are you high? THIS YEAR, meaning what will help us THIS season, how do you not comprehend that?

Every team has fans who dislike certain players, if there is a Cardinals fan who is not happy with Dockett, they are retarded because he's the best player in their front seven.

I have many MANY friends who are 49ers fans, and the defense has not been the issue, especially over the last three seasons. Fields played very well in rotation with Macdonald, Franklin, Smith, etc... Their defense as a unit has been good the past 3 years, despite being stuck in horrid field position game in and game out thanks to their anemic offense. They are on the field way too often, and if you paired that defense with even an adequate offense that didn't turn the ball over, their "rankings" would reflect that.
Sopoaga, Smith, Macdonald, Franklin, and yes even Fields have been a part of a very solid unit. And again, I don't "need to go ask some fans brah" because I watch just about every niners game anyhow as i've lived with their fans off and on the past 4 years. As for the 49ers letting Fields go, what ****ing logic are you using here? Was he a superstar? No, I never said that, but he was a very solid part of their rotation. You should go to night school and take some reading classes.

Did I say Willis wouldn't make a diffence? Hell no. You should realize that the things you say are opinion, not fact. Yes, DJ is playing solid football(though not spectacular), but if you have watched any of our ****ing games this season you see him get washed out of plays, leaving him helplessly overrun by opposing blockers. My opinion is, even if we have a player of Willis' caliber in the middle, there is still not much they can do when there are blockers consistently getting to the second level.

Once again, Ngata is able to eat up blockers, and play as a 2 gapper extremely well, yet once again you completely ignore my ****ing point. What Darnell lacks(I only say "lacks" when comparing him to one of the best lineman in the NFL) as a space eater who can collapse the interior of a defense, he more than makes up for with his pass rush. The Broncos, Denver Broncos, as in our team, severely need a pash rush this season. Dockett helps BOTH phases of our defense up front, am I saying he's a better player than Ngata? Not unless it's your dumbass reading my sentences. In a long term scenario would I rather have Dockett over Ngata? No, but that's not what was specified in this thread, which you fail to wrap your little ****ing head around.

If I could have one player to help out this team for the 2010 season, it would be Darnell Dockett. It's called an opinion, I have mine and you can have yours. Just because I do not agree with you, doesn't make you correct.

So your point is that, Dockett would be more valuable because of his pass rushing skills which we're lacking. So you're solution to our pass rushing problems is to get a DE in a 3-4 2 gapping system, not a Clay Matthews or anyone along that line that we're sorely missing at OLB.

Our dline has problems creating a rush however we do create a nice "wall"

Vickerson/McBean, Willims, Bannan haven't exactly been the weakest link.

Let me go over this with you again...the #1 role of a dlineman in a 3-4 defense is to eat up space, hold the gaps, and STUFF the run.

So you're solution is to get a pass rushing DL when we have Jason Hunter and Ayers as our pass rushing OLB's?

You can have your opinion, but don't get mad when someone's questions its stupidity.

TheReverend
10-16-2010, 11:08 PM
No I'm not. I guess you're too lazy to use google though.

Sweet cop out. So can you cite ANY examples outside of the sports clothing discount scam in 2003?

Spoiler: You can't.

The MVPlaya
10-16-2010, 11:10 PM
And FYI, I've watched every single game.... and our run defense has been solid until the Ravens game. To say that we've been getting blocked hard all the way to the second level consistently is absolute bull****.

Patrick Willis has been dominant ever since he came into the league. I'm not sure why you're here claiming he needs an amazing front line to perform when in reality that's bull**** too.

You also admitted in your post that Dockett lacks the space eating attribute of a dlineman.... which is a KEY attribute in our defensive scheme. So again, you submitting your opinion on a player that isn't a protypical player in our scheme.

And to address you issue of, "what the OP asked"... he asked who would you add to help salvage the season... however as I posted in my 1st post in the thread that you should also take into account how they would effect us in the future (as the OP tried to make it a realistic scenario with the picks and all).

It's called thinking outside the box dip ****... that's why I referred to the future.

TheReverend
10-16-2010, 11:10 PM
So your point is that, Dockett would be more valuable because of his pass rushing skills which we're lacking. So you're solution to our pass rushing problems is to get a DE in a 3-4 2 gapping system, not a Clay Matthews or anyone along that line that we're sorely missing at OLB.

Our dline has problems creating a rush however we do create a nice "wall"

Vickerson/McBean, Willims, Bannan haven't exactly been the weakest link.

Let me go over this with you again...the #1 role of a dlineman in a 3-4 defense is to eat up space, hold the gaps, and STUFF the run.

So you're solution is to get a pass rushing DL when we have Jason Hunter and Ayers as our pass rushing OLB's?

You can have your opinion, but don't get mad when someone's questions its stupidity.

He's making you look very, very stupid, btw. All his points are succinct and accurate.

You can disagree and just say "I think Ngata being a better overall defensive lineman would add a lot more to the team", but the talking points you're choosing, and the way you're choosing to do it... you just look ignorant.

The MVPlaya
10-16-2010, 11:10 PM
Sweet cop out. So can you cite ANY examples outside of the sports clothing discount scam in 2003?

Spoiler: You can't.

Not a cop out. Keep searching, google is a powerful tool.

TheReverend
10-16-2010, 11:13 PM
Not a cop out. Keep searching, google is a powerful tool.

No. I know for an absolute fact he hasn't been in any trouble. Btw, the burden of proof is on the person making the absurd accusation, so by all means... post something up or shut the **** up.

The MVPlaya
10-16-2010, 11:13 PM
He's making you look very, very stupid, btw. All his points are succinct and accurate.

You can disagree and just say "I think Ngata being a better overall defensive lineman would add a lot more to the team", but the talking points you're choosing, and the way you're choosing to do it... you just look ignorant.

Yeah that's exactly what I said, I didn't go into detail at all.

****ing moron. :spit:

Really he's making me look very stupid. I can easily make a thread on the 3 major Broncos forums asking if they'd rather have Dockett or Ngata or Willis for this season and we'll see who looks ****in stupid. How do you think that would look?

I know you're slobbering all over me, but get off my balls.

The MVPlaya
10-16-2010, 11:14 PM
No. I know for an absolute fact he hasn't been in any trouble. Btw, the burden of proof is on the person making the absurd accusation, so by all means... post something up or shut the **** up.
Nope, you just suck at using google. Or you suck at reading. Or you suck at interpreting what I said.

TheReverend
10-16-2010, 11:17 PM
Yeah that's exactly what I said, I didn't go into detail at all.

****ing moron. :spit:

Really he's making me look very stupid. I can easily make a thread on the 3 major Broncos forums asking if they'd rather have Dockett or Ngata or Willis for this season and we'll see who looks ****in stupid. How do you think that would look?

I know you're slobbering all over me, but get off my balls.

No, kid. You're not reading what he's saying. He's saying that he feels the improved pass rush would be more valuable to us NOW. I disagree with him and went with Willis 1 and Ngata 1B, but as far as your approach to him in this conversation, he's made you look like the buffoon ape that you are.

You caught me in a lie in his off the field history so I'm just run in circles about it because I have no links, history, evidence at all to post!

Fixed for ya, dumb ****

Zoobie
10-16-2010, 11:35 PM
And FYI, I've watched every single game.... and our run defense has been solid until the Ravens game. To say that we've been getting blocked hard all the way to the second level consistently is absolute bull****.

Patrick Willis has been dominant ever since he came into the league. I'm not sure why you're here claiming he needs an amazing front line to perform when in reality that's bull**** too.

You also admitted in your post that Dockett lacks the space eating attribute of a dlineman.... which is a KEY attribute in our defensive scheme. So again, you submitting your opinion on a player that isn't a protypical player in our scheme.

And to address you issue of, "what the OP asked"... he asked who would you add to help salvage the season... however as I posted in my 1st post in the thread that you should also take into account how they would effect us in the future (as the OP tried to make it a realistic scenario with the picks and all).

It's called thinking outside the box dip ****... that's why I referred to the future.

Our run defense has been far from stellar, and if you think that's going to improve as the year goes on you're fooling yourself. Blockers DO consistently get to the second level on our defense, especially when we have Tubby Williams sucking oxygen on the sideline.

Again, i'm not seeing where i've said Willis is not dominant, I would take him over inside linebacker in the game. Does he need an amazing front 7 to do the things he does? No, like I said before he is a playmaker and can get sideline to sideline and do things himself. Having said that, I believe you need big guys in the trenches, so YES I would take a defensive lineman over a linebacker any day of the week espeically in the 34 front.

I admitted that compared to Haloti Ngata, Dockett is not as much of a space eater. I didn't say he can't stop the run, because he can and does. That also doesn't mean he doesn't force double teams, because he can and does. He can do so many things so well, and that includes rushing the passer. Again, this is a hypothetical scenario and if we "hypothetically" had Darnell Dockett, i'd put my money on any coordinator adapting their scheme to accommodate him.

I don't know how many times I can explain this next part. Dockett provides run stopping ability, forces double teams, and rushes the QB. Why not Clay Matthews Why not Clay Matthews?!?!? Because, for one, you have YOUR opinion, you don't get to pick mine as well. Secondly, because it is MY opinion, that we need help up front, and Darnell covers all the bases i've explained above. I find what he could do much more important than a rush backer such as Matthews who is a phenomenal talent, don't get me wrong. I believe Dockett brings a lot to the table.

And oh my ****ing Christ, you have even said it yourself now. "SALVAGE THIS SEASON", if you missed it again, THIS SEASON. Is next year this season? No, it's ****ing not. 5 years from now it won't be the year 2010, for the love of all that is holy. Salvaging this season has nothing to do with the future. In a realistic scenario(this isn't realistic, in case you were wondering), and the question was regarding a long term solution, my answer would be much different. Referring to the future doesn't mean you're thinking out of the box, in fact it further proves that you lack the ability to comprehend the English language.

On a side note, how would you polling 3 major broncos FAN FORUMS give you any credibility? It's similar to your "OH JUS GOT SUM BRAYKIN NEWZ FROM AN CARDINULS FAN" approach. I don't give a **** what people on a forum say, that doesn't change any player on the field, and it certainly wouldn't sway my opinion considering how many uneducated forum-goers there are.

Cito Pelon
10-16-2010, 11:40 PM
Keanu Reeves.

The MVPlaya
10-16-2010, 11:54 PM
No, kid. You're not reading what he's saying. He's saying that he feels the improved pass rush would be more valuable to us NOW. I disagree with him and went with Willis 1 and Ngata 1B, but as far as your approach to him in this conversation, he's made you look like the buffoon ape that you are.



Really? I'm not reading what he's saying? Let's me quote myself from 8 posts before your post

So your point is that, Dockett would be more valuable because of his pass rushing skills which we're lacking.

Let me quote Zoobie for YOU

You should go to night school and take some reading classes.

The MVPlaya
10-16-2010, 11:59 PM
Our run defense has been far from stellar, and if you think that's going to improve as the year goes on you're fooling yourself. Blockers DO consistently get to the second level on our defense, especially when we have Tubby Williams sucking oxygen on the sideline.

Again, i'm not seeing where i've said Willis is not dominant, I would take him over inside linebacker in the game. Does he need an amazing front 7 to do the things he does? No, like I said before he is a playmaker and can get sideline to sideline and do things himself. Having said that, I believe you need big guys in the trenches, so YES I would take a defensive lineman over a linebacker any day of the week espeically in the 34 front.

I admitted that compared to Haloti Ngata, Dockett is not as much of a space eater. I didn't say he can't stop the run, because he can and does. That also doesn't mean he doesn't force double teams, because he can and does. He can do so many things so well, and that includes rushing the passer. Again, this is a hypothetical scenario and if we "hypothetically" had Darnell Dockett, i'd put my money on any coordinator adapting their scheme to accommodate him.

I don't know how many times I can explain this next part. Dockett provides run stopping ability, forces double teams, and rushes the QB. Why not Clay Matthews Why not Clay Matthews?!?!? Because, for one, you have YOUR opinion, you don't get to pick mine as well. Secondly, because it is MY opinion, that we need help up front, and Darnell covers all the bases i've explained above. I find what he could do much more important than a rush backer such as Matthews who is a phenomenal talent, don't get me wrong. I believe Dockett brings a lot to the table.

And oh my ****ing Christ, you have even said it yourself now. "SALVAGE THIS SEASON", if you missed it again, THIS SEASON. Is next year this season? No, it's ****ing not. 5 years from now it won't be the year 2010, for the love of all that is holy. Salvaging this season has nothing to do with the future. In a realistic scenario(this isn't realistic, in case you were wondering), and the question was regarding a long term solution, my answer would be much different. Referring to the future doesn't mean you're thinking out of the box, in fact it further proves that you lack the ability to comprehend the English language.

On a side note, how would you polling 3 major broncos FAN FORUMS give you any credibility? It's similar to your "OH JUS GOT SUM BRAYKIN NEWZ FROM AN CARDINULS FAN" approach. I don't give a **** what people on a forum say, that doesn't change any player on the field, and it certainly wouldn't sway my opinion considering how many uneducated forum-goers there are.

You're saying that you'd like to address our pass rushing issues.

Then you go on to say you'd address that by going DL.

In a 2 gap 3-4 defense where the dlineman's job is to eat up space, take care of his gaps, and stuff the run, you're opinion really doesn't make sense.

Do Cardinals run a 2 gap 3-4 btw?

Zoobie
10-17-2010, 12:05 AM
Really? I'm not reading what he's saying? Let's me quote myself from 8 posts before your post



Let me quote Zoobie for YOU

Honestly, if we can't get past this I don't know how i'm expected to continue this conversation. Let me point you to the closing paragraph of your last statement.

"And to address you issue of, "what the OP asked"... he asked who would you add to help salvage the season... however as I posted in my 1st post in the thread that you should also take into account how they would effect us in the future (as the OP tried to make it a realistic scenario with the picks and all).

It's called thinking outside the box dip ****... that's why I referred to the future."

The MVPlaya
10-17-2010, 12:06 AM
Honestly, if we can't get past this I don't know how i'm expected to continue this conversation. Let me point you to the closing paragraph of your last statement.

"And to address you issue of, "what the OP asked"... he asked who would you add to help salvage the season... however as I posted in my 1st post in the thread that you should also take into account how they would effect us in the future (as the OP tried to make it a realistic scenario with the picks and all).

It's called thinking outside the box dip ****... that's why I referred to the future."

it REALLY doesn't matter at this point, because this season or next, that's just a cherry on top to my original point/post I'm not sure why you're stuck on that.

Zoobie
10-17-2010, 12:07 AM
You're saying that you'd like to address our pass rushing issues.

Then you go on to say you'd address that by going DL.

In a 2 gap 3-4 defense where the dlineman's job is to eat up space, take care of his gaps, and stuff the run, you're opinion really doesn't make sense.

Do Cardinals run a 2 gap 3-4 btw?

We are talking hypothetically, and hypothetically I think Wink would find a way to fit Dockett into the defensive gameplan, in a big way. Yes we need to address our pass rush, but we also need to shore up against the run as well. I believe Darnell Dockett would dramatically improve both of those with his play on the defensive line.

Zoobie
10-17-2010, 12:09 AM
it REALLY doesn't matter at this point, because this season or next, that's just a cherry on top to my original point/post I'm not sure why you're stuck on that.

It matters because you're trying to make it a staple of your argument, by pointing out that Dockett is 29 and so forth. Not to mention, they are two radically different scenarios. If the proposed situation was to help this team this season, and down the road as well, my answer would be different i'll tell you that.

The MVPlaya
10-17-2010, 12:15 AM
It matters because you're trying to make it a staple of your argument, by pointing out that Dockett is 29 and so forth. Not to mention, they are two radically different scenarios. If the proposed situation was to help this team this season, and down the road as well, my answer would be different i'll tell you that.

I pointed that out once at the end of a post, hence why I said it was a cherry on top.

When did I make it a staple?

Zoobie
10-17-2010, 12:16 AM
The Cardinals play a hybrid defense as they have attempted to switch fully to a 3-4 but with the versatility of their personnel they still run a bit of a 43 front as well. When they are in the 3-4 though, Campbell and Dockett both play two gap lined up over the taclkes.Something else i'd add is that Dockett is one of the quickest players getting out of his stance i've ever seen, he shoots the gap with ludicrous speed. And as a 2 gap defender he flows well and is very decisive and powerful when he makes his read. I'm not asking you to agreed with me, because no one has to and it won't change my opinion. However what I don't like, is being told my opinion is completely unfounded as I have provided ample reasoning behind my choice, and didn't attack anyone else's views for selecting someone besides Darnell.

Cito Pelon
10-17-2010, 12:52 AM
B. B. King