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mkporter
10-08-2010, 09:53 AM
http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2010/10/07/re-focused-denver-at-tennessee/

Re-Focused: Week 4, Broncos at Titans
October 7th, 2010 | Author: Chris Benson

As we know, the better team does not always win in every matchup — and that was certainly the case in this game, in which Denver pulled out a win on the road despite being outperformed by the Titans.

The Broncos abandoned the run, for the most part, early on and were forced to throw the ball 50+ times for the second consecutive week. Managing only 19 yards rushing, thanks mostly to an offensive line that couldn’t handle Tennessee’s ferocious D-line (-17.9 run block). Denver will need a much better performance from its line against Baltimore. There is no excuse now that RT Ryan Harris and RG Chris Kuper are fully healthy.

Broncos: Three performances of note

One player who has quietly enjoyed a solid first month to the season is reserve defensive lineman Marcus Thomas. Against the Titans, Thomas posted his fourth consecutive positive overall grade (+1.2) and made one dominant play against RG Jake Scott in the fourth quarter. Not known to be an explosive player, Thomas burst through the line before Scott could even set his feet and stopped RB Javon Ringer for a 4-yard loss. If he can start to get pressure on the QB, Thomas could see himself factor more heavily in the Broncos’ DL rotation and may see a start at RE before long.

Receiver Brandon Lloyd extended his impressive first quarter of the season with another great game catching the ball (+3.1.). Lloyd was targeted 17 times, pulling down 11 passes for 115 yards, and the comfort Kyle Orton has throwing the ball to Lloyd is visible. Not unlike Brandon Marshall last year, Lloyd is becoming a safety net for Orton, who needs to be able to rely on his receivers to make plays when he is throwing the ball 50 times.

The statistics plainly show Laurence Maroney had a bad game (11 carries for 5 yards), and obviously that performance wasn’t going to earn a high grade (-3.4). If Denver cannot find a running game soon, Orton is going to be in for a long season. Teams already are taking advantage of the Broncos one-dimensional play-calling — as evidenced by the Titans’ six sacks of Orton. Maroney, who has a reputation as a dancer, was hit in the backfield often and his running style was not suited for Tennessee’s relentless defensive line. Maroney has looked awful in his two games with Denver, and you have to figure he won’t be starting again even if Knowshon Moreno doesn’t play.

Titans: Three performances of note

The Titans actually would have had a decent chance to win on their last drive if not for WR Kenny Britt (-1.9). Britt beat CB Perrish Cox deep downfield and Vince Young threw a beautiful pass that dropped right through Britt’s arms before Cox and safety Darcel McBath could converge on him. Had Britt came down with the catch, there is a chance he would have scored in stride, and at worst the Titans would have been in much better field position with time for at least two end-zone tosses. Britt scored Tennessee’s only offensive touchdown, however.

Defensive tackle Jason Jones (+7.5) played 65 percent of the defensive snaps and had an outstanding all-around game with six total pressures and three tackles for a combined loss of 7 yards as well as a forced fumble that Denver recovered. Jones is PFF’s highest-rated 4-3 DT and has 13 pressures and a QB hit to complement his seven defensive stops.

Jake Scott (-3.0) ruined a key drive on Thomas’s play when the 4-yard loss on first down led to a three-and-out. The right guard didn’t allow a pressure but was badly beaten on a few running plays, and RBs running to either side of Scott lost a yard on three carries. Scott’s troubles stemmed from an inability to properly position himself to block before the defender blew by him, not because he was being thrown around, so he can rebound this weekend easily if he can set himself a little more quickly.

Rookie report

For the Titans, the most notable rookie was RCB Alterraun Verner (+2.1), who may have had his name called more than any other player. Verner started for injured Jason McCourty and was targeted 13 times and defensed three passes — one in which he jumped a screen at the snap and, with a little more experience, could have notched his first NFL interception. Wideout Damian Williams and DE Derrick Morgan were nonfactors. Seventh-round pick Marc Mariani had a huge impact on special teams, returning a kickoff for a touchdown but fumbling another in the fourth quarter when the Titans would have had plenty of time to score.

Broncos WR Demaryius Thomas (+1.2) continued his streak of positive grades, but is stuck in the 20-snaps-a-game range. Offensive linemen Zane Beadles (-1.1) and J.D. Walton (-3.8) posted negative grades and struggled run blocking while Walton also allowed four pressures. Cox started at RCB in place of Andre Goodman once again, and played decently outside of allowing Britt’s touchdown. Syd’Quan Thompson made two special teams tackles.

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Interesting notes about Marcus Thomas. We all saw his big play in the backfield, but outside of that, I hadn't watched much of what he been doing. He certainly has the talent to be a good player, it would be great to see him continue to put it together.

Rock Chalk
10-08-2010, 09:56 AM
I left a comment.

"How did Tennesse outperform Denver exactly?"

beardedwonder
10-08-2010, 09:57 AM
I don't get how we were "outperformed". If it wasnt for a kick return it would have been a two score game.

PRBronco
10-08-2010, 10:03 AM
I havent' actually sat down to figure out wtf their ratings mean yet, but I do enjoy these articles.

When was Beadles in the game?

Hercules Rockefeller
10-08-2010, 10:05 AM
http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2010/10/07/re-focused-denver-at-tennessee/

As we know, the better team does not always win in every matchup — and that was certainly the case in this game, in which Denver pulled out a win on the road despite being outperformed by the Titans.

The Titans actually would have had a decent chance to win on their last drive if not for WR Kenny Britt (-1.9). Britt beat CB Perrish Cox deep downfield and Vince Young threw a beautiful pass that dropped right through Britt’s arms before Cox and safety Darcel McBath could converge on him. Had Britt came down with the catch, there is a chance he would have scored in stride, and at worst the Titans would have been in much better field position with time for at least two end-zone tosses. Britt scored Tennessee’s only offensive touchdown, however.


No reason to really read after that 1st sentence. 46 yds and 3 pts by the offense in the 2nd half means you didn't outperform your opponent.

That other paragraph is just pure BS. Britt would not have scored had he caught the ball, Cox and McBath were right there. There was also 8 seconds left when the ball hit the ground, Britt wasn't getting out of bounds, they had 0 timeouts left and the other 10 players had 50 yds to run before they could even try spike it. The game was over if Britt caught that pass.

cmhargrove
10-08-2010, 10:06 AM
I like how Marcus is coming along, but still think he would be much more effective if he dropped a few pounds. If he is settling into the DE role, and not rotating at NT, I just think it would help his "explosiveness" to lose a little blubber.

mkporter
10-08-2010, 10:34 AM
I left a comment.

"How did Tennesse outperform Denver exactly?"

I think that comes from a narrow focus on how they are grading the play of each individual player. It was also one of those games where it seemed like the Titans were the better team on the majority of the plays, particularly in the first half when most people set their impression of how the teams are playing, but Denver came out ahead on some big plays (missed FG, fumble). I know I was feeling pretty fortunate that we were tied at half time. We certainly earned the win, but it didn't really seem that way after the first half.

Rock Chalk
10-08-2010, 10:56 AM
I think that comes from a narrow focus on how they are grading the play of each individual player. It was also one of those games where it seemed like the Titans were the better team on the majority of the plays, particularly in the first half when most people set their impression of how the teams are playing, but Denver came out ahead on some big plays (missed FG, fumble). I know I was feeling pretty fortunate that we were tied at half time. We certainly earned the win, but it didn't really seem that way after the first half.

First quarter you mean.

From that 2nd quarter to the rest of the game, Denver completely dominated them.

TheChamp24
10-08-2010, 11:36 AM
I love how everybody seems to be bringing up those last 2 deep passes to Britt saying how he cost the Titans a win.
1, the first one he would've gotten out of bounds at like the 40 or so with what, 13-15 seconds left? Still a ways to go.
2, that last one everybody brings up, Denver had 2 players on Britt and if he caught that, it would've taken a miracle for Britt to break 2 tackles and get into the end zone. If he catches that, game over because the offense can't get down the field to spike the ball that fast. It would've taken at least 4-5 seconds for the offense to get down, another to get set, and spike the ball. Game over.

TheReverend
10-08-2010, 11:39 AM
I havent' actually sat down to figure out wtf their ratings mean yet, but I do enjoy these articles.

When was Beadles in the game?

He subbed in for Harris here and there. Would much rather he shifted back to G, but whatever. Clancy Barone is a genius, apparently.

outdoor_miner
10-08-2010, 12:01 PM
He subbed in for Harris here and there. Would much rather he shifted back to G, but whatever. Clancy Barone is a genius, apparently.

I really think that he will move back to guard when they are comfortable that Harris is healthy...

Tombstone RJ
10-08-2010, 12:01 PM
I wonder if these idgits extended the same kindness to the Broncos after the Jax loss, that is, the Broncos were clearly the better team but lost...

I'm thinking they didn't...

mkporter
10-08-2010, 12:02 PM
First quarter you mean.

From that 2nd quarter to the rest of the game, Denver completely dominated them.

We didn't dominate the 2nd quarter. We started to play better, but we still gave up 10 pts and 146 yards. We scored 10 pts and gained 137 yards. We really did well controlling the ball in the 3rd and 4th quarters, and our defense totally shut them down in the last quarter and a half.

mkporter
10-08-2010, 12:07 PM
I wonder if these idgits extended the same kindness to the Broncos after the Jax loss, that is, the Broncos were clearly the better team but lost...

I'm thinking they didn't...

They had this to say after the Colts loss:

Denver had every opportunity to win this game, as its defense far outplayed Indy’s, but play-calling in the red zone and failure to execute cost the Broncos this game.

They may not always be on the money, but these guys don't really seem to be all that biased, IMO.

epicSocialism4tw
10-08-2010, 01:19 PM
They had this to say after the Colts loss:



They may not always be on the money, but these guys don't really seem to be all that biased, IMO.

Yeah, there's no need to get panties in wads over saying that the Titans had a chance to win. This game could have gone either way all the way down to the last play. There is some good analysis in that article, and most people missed it because they were offended by the relatively mild opinion the writer gave in his opening statement.

Broncos fans as a whole have been exhibiting sandy vagina syndrome this whole season.

The Titans could have won this game...but so what? They didnt. We all know that. No need for a chorus of whining.

misturanderson
10-08-2010, 01:28 PM
Yeah, there's no need to get panties in wads over saying that the Titans had a chance to win. This game could have gone either way all the way down to the last play. There is some good analysis in that article, and most people missed it because they were offended by the relatively mild opinion the writer gave in his opening statement.

Broncos fans as a whole have been exhibiting sandy vagina syndrome this whole season.

The Titans could have won this game...but so what? They didnt. We all know that. No need for a chorus of whining.

That's not what the writer said though. He said that the better team didn't win and that we were outperformed by the Titans. No qualifier, simply that we were outperformed which was clearly not the case.

epicSocialism4tw
10-08-2010, 01:34 PM
That's not what the writer said though. He said that the better team didn't win and that we were outperformed by the Titans. No qualifier, simply that we were outperformed which was clearly not the case.

My point was that his opinion isnt unsubstantiated. He followed that statement with a paragraph of how inept the Broncos offensive line was in that game. We have a tough team because they managed to squeak out a win win the probably shouldnt have. I think that most experts would predict that a team loses a game where they give up 6 sacks, and gains a total of 19 rushing yards.

Our run defense was top-notch, Orton did pretty well, and we caught some breaks. No biggie.

Kaylore
10-08-2010, 02:08 PM
He subbed in for Harris here and there. Would much rather he shifted back to G, but whatever. Clancy Barone is a genius, apparently.

It's not like continuity on the offensive line means anything!

TheReverend
10-08-2010, 03:43 PM
It's not like continuity on the offensive line means anything!

Clancy Barone scoffs at your sarcasm. He's an innovator. We'll be the first team to start subbing linemen in and out like RBs and DL.

BaroneNextGibbs

Garcia Bronco
10-08-2010, 04:09 PM
The Titans actually would have had a decent chance to win on their last drive if not for WR Kenny Britt (-1.9). Britt beat CB Perrish Cox deep downfield and Vince Young threw a beautiful pass that dropped right through Britt’s arms before Cox and safety Darcel McBath could converge on him. Had Britt came down with the catch, there is a chance he would have scored in stride, and at worst the Titans would have been in much better field position with time for at least two end-zone tosses. Britt scored Tennessee’s only offensive touchdown, however."


Poor analysis. Had he caught that he gets tackled inbounds and with 8 seconds on the clock the Titans would have expired before setting up.

Garcia Bronco
10-08-2010, 04:13 PM
No reason to really read after that 1st sentence. 46 yds and 3 pts by the offense in the 2nd half means you didn't outperform your opponent.

That other paragraph is just pure BS. Britt would not have scored had he caught the ball, Cox and McBath were right there. There was also 8 seconds left when the ball hit the ground, Britt wasn't getting out of bounds, they had 0 timeouts left and the other 10 players had 50 yds to run before they could even try spike it. The game was over if Britt caught that pass.

The magic number is 13 seconds. It takes and average offense 13 s

ELEVATION
10-08-2010, 05:34 PM
http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2010/10/07/re-focused-denver-at-tennessee/

Re-Focused: Week 4, Broncos at Titans
October 7th, 2010 | Author: Chris Benson

As we know, the better team does not always win in every matchup — and that was certainly the case in this game, in which Denver pulled out a win on the road despite being outperformed by the Titans.

The Broncos abandoned the run, for the most part, early on and were forced to throw the ball 50+ times for the second consecutive week. Managing only 19 yards rushing, thanks mostly to an offensive line that couldn’t handle Tennessee’s ferocious D-line (-17.9 run block). Denver will need a much better performance from its line against Baltimore. There is no excuse now that RT Ryan Harris and RG Chris Kuper are fully healthy.

Broncos: Three performances of note

One player who has quietly enjoyed a solid first month to the season is reserve defensive lineman Marcus Thomas. Against the Titans, Thomas posted his fourth consecutive positive overall grade (+1.2) and made one dominant play against RG Jake Scott in the fourth quarter. Not known to be an explosive player, Thomas burst through the line before Scott could even set his feet and stopped RB Javon Ringer for a 4-yard loss. If he can start to get pressure on the QB, Thomas could see himself factor more heavily in the Broncos’ DL rotation and may see a start at RE before long.

Receiver Brandon Lloyd extended his impressive first quarter of the season with another great game catching the ball (+3.1.). Lloyd was targeted 17 times, pulling down 11 passes for 115 yards, and the comfort Kyle Orton has throwing the ball to Lloyd is visible. Not unlike Brandon Marshall last year, Lloyd is becoming a safety net for Orton, who needs to be able to rely on his receivers to make plays when he is throwing the ball 50 times.

The statistics plainly show Laurence Maroney had a bad game (11 carries for 5 yards), and obviously that performance wasn’t going to earn a high grade (-3.4). If Denver cannot find a running game soon, Orton is going to be in for a long season. Teams already are taking advantage of the Broncos one-dimensional play-calling — as evidenced by the Titans’ six sacks of Orton. Maroney, who has a reputation as a dancer, was hit in the backfield often and his running style was not suited for Tennessee’s relentless defensive line. Maroney has looked awful in his two games with Denver, and you have to figure he won’t be starting again even if Knowshon Moreno doesn’t play.

Titans: Three performances of note

The Titans actually would have had a decent chance to win on their last drive if not for WR Kenny Britt (-1.9). Britt beat CB Perrish Cox deep downfield and Vince Young threw a beautiful pass that dropped right through Britt’s arms before Cox and safety Darcel McBath could converge on him. Had Britt came down with the catch, there is a chance he would have scored in stride, and at worst the Titans would have been in much better field position with time for at least two end-zone tosses. Britt scored Tennessee’s only offensive touchdown, however.

Defensive tackle Jason Jones (+7.5) played 65 percent of the defensive snaps and had an outstanding all-around game with six total pressures and three tackles for a combined loss of 7 yards as well as a forced fumble that Denver recovered. Jones is PFF’s highest-rated 4-3 DT and has 13 pressures and a QB hit to complement his seven defensive stops.

Jake Scott (-3.0) ruined a key drive on Thomas’s play when the 4-yard loss on first down led to a three-and-out. The right guard didn’t allow a pressure but was badly beaten on a few running plays, and RBs running to either side of Scott lost a yard on three carries. Scott’s troubles stemmed from an inability to properly position himself to block before the defender blew by him, not because he was being thrown around, so he can rebound this weekend easily if he can set himself a little more quickly.

Rookie report

For the Titans, the most notable rookie was RCB Alterraun Verner (+2.1), who may have had his name called more than any other player. Verner started for injured Jason McCourty and was targeted 13 times and defensed three passes — one in which he jumped a screen at the snap and, with a little more experience, could have notched his first NFL interception. Wideout Damian Williams and DE Derrick Morgan were nonfactors. Seventh-round pick Marc Mariani had a huge impact on special teams, returning a kickoff for a touchdown but fumbling another in the fourth quarter when the Titans would have had plenty of time to score.

Broncos WR Demaryius Thomas (+1.2) continued his streak of positive grades, but is stuck in the 20-snaps-a-game range. Offensive linemen Zane Beadles (-1.1) and J.D. Walton (-3.8) posted negative grades and struggled run blocking while Walton also allowed four pressures. Cox started at RCB in place of Andre Goodman once again, and played decently outside of allowing Britt’s touchdown. Syd’Quan Thompson made two special teams tackles.

______________________

Interesting notes about Marcus Thomas. We all saw his big play in the backfield, but outside of that, I hadn't watched much of what he been doing. He certainly has the talent to be a good player, it would be great to see him continue to put it together.



FYI as a premier member of that site, they do not like full articles posted on other sites, i would suggest editing the post to the first paragraph and leaving the link...kinda like what people have to do with milehighreport

ELEVATION
10-08-2010, 05:36 PM
I havent' actually sat down to figure out wtf their ratings mean yet, but I do enjoy these articles.

When was Beadles in the game?

unless you pay 90 dollars for there premium yearly ratings and stats you wont figure it out...there is a thread in the draft FA forum at the maina that MUG and I are involved with, we are both premium members and post alot of the stats there, however we have to transfer alot of stats to a letter scale since its a copyright issue to post their premium stats

check it out as a lurker.....