Nonviolent Liberals Show Us All How to Handle Political Dissent

[epicSocialism4tw]

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[DBruleU]

"If I said the sky was blue...they'd so NO!"

Emphasis on the "NO" with a good brief pause to add emphasis on the "NO."

[shakenbake]

seems pretty tame to me

[epicSocialism4tw]

seems pretty tame to me

So you think its okay to put your hands on another person at a rally like that?

What if the guy getting pushed and shoved by the masses decided to protect himself and fight back?

[bpc]

Ah, i got a better one: During the Broncos game-day chat two Sunday's ago, Req said somebody should put a bullet through my head and burn my house down, a place where my wife and two kids also reside.

Gotta love these peace-going liberals.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Ah, i got a better one: During the Broncos game-day chat two Sunday's ago, Req said somebody should put a bullet through my head and burn my house down, a place where my wife and two kids also reside.

Gotta love these peace-going liberals.

Sorry to hear that, man.

I put him on ignore a long time ago for something similar. We had our disagreements of course, but Im not one to hold grudges. He mentioned being sick and not having money, and I had extended a hand to him and got him hooked up with some information that he could have potentially used for his health condition. But in a thread about a religious topic not but a couple weeks later, he put some extremely vile stuff in my rep box.

I felt bad for the guy and I hope he ends up okay, but enough is enough and it was time to cut him off. Requiem, if you read this, you arent hated. When you do and say things like that it just cant be tolerated. Why would I want to get on this site and read something like that? There's always room with me for reconciliation. I hope that you are feeling well and your life is moving along in a positive way for you.

The thing about all of this is that these are the same people that tried to paint the Tea Party as a bunch of violent terrorist racists, when time after time they had proven otherwise. And yet here we have a pattern of assaults, militant marches, "its time to go kill off the non-liberals" language, disrespect, and worse from the left. Hopefully they unplug themselves from the TV and come back and join the rest of us in this great country.

[DBruleU]

Ah, i got a better one: During the Broncos game-day chat two Sunday's ago, Req said somebody should put a bullet through my head and burn my house down, a place where my wife and two kids also reside.

Gotta love these peace-going liberals.

If true that is truly pathetic...yet not surprising. He's the only person in years of the Mane that I have ever thought of, and did put on ignore. Funny enough, the kid iggy's me too...yet responds to all my posts. What's with that?

He's got some major issues.

[shakenbake]

So you think its okay to put your hands on another person at a rally like that?

What if the guy getting pushed and shoved by the masses decided to protect himself and fight back?

I am not saying it is ok, but It wasn't like he got a beat down. He got bumped a little, people have put up with much worse.

Every crowd is going to have a few knuckle heads. It doesn't matter if it is a conservative group or liberal group.

To me this is not a liberal/conservative issue just a fact that the world is full of knuckle heads.

Pointing out things like this are pretty pointless, what is the objective. Do you think liberals are gonna all of the sudden say **** it, those violent bastards I am now a conservative.

Personally, if I were at a rally for a guy I support and then some jackass starts popping off next to me, screaming at the top of his lungs while I am trying to listen I would probably tell him to shut the **** up as well. Just because you have a right to free speech doesn't mean you can act like an asshole and ruin the event for everyone around you.

btw I am a conservative on most issues....

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

McLiar strikes again.

Where was the "attack?"

BTW, anyone remember McLiar's position re: protesters at Bush speeches?

McLiar is all about the double standard.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Funny....I don't recall McSpammer uttering a peep of protest re: the violation of these people's rights...


Federal lawsuit follows anti-Bush T-shirt arrests

By The Associated Press
09.15.04

CHARLESTON, W.Va. — A couple arrested for wearing anti-Bush T-shirts to the president's July 4 appearance at the West Virginia Capitol filed a federal lawsuit yesterday alleging their First Amendment rights were violated.

Nicole and Jeff Rank were removed from the event in handcuffs after revealing T-shirts with President Bush's name crossed out on the front. Nicole Rank's shirt had the words "Love America, Hate Bush" on the back and Jeff Rank's had "Regime change starts at home" on the back.

Their lawsuit was filed in federal court in Charleston by American Civil Liberties Union attorneys. It names Gregory Jenkins, deputy assistant to the president and director of the White House Office of Presidential Advance, and W. Ralph Basham, director of the U.S. Secret Service, as defendants.

"What is at stake here transcends politics," Jeff Rank said at a news conference at the Capitol. "What is at stake is the right of all Americans — Democrats, Republicans and Independents, all Americans — to peacefully voice their dissent to their government."

He said although he and his wife had never participated in a political protest before, they believed the lawsuit was necessary because, "unless common citizens like ourselves are willing to stand and fight for their civil liberties, those very liberties our great nation was founded upon, ideals of freedom that keep us strong today, will wither and erode until they are gone forever."

The couple wants a judge to declare unconstitutional any policy that led to their arrest. They also are seeking unspecified monetary damages for emotional harm they suffered.

Spokesmen for the Secret Service and the U.S. Department of Justice, to whom a White House spokesman directed questions, refused to comment. Both said their agencies did not comment on ongoing litigation.

Trespassing charges filed against the couple by Charleston police officers after they were removed from the event were later dismissed because a municipal judge determined city trespassing ordinances do not apply to Statehouse grounds. City Council and Mayor Danny Jones have publicly apologized to the Ranks.

Jones, a Republican, has said the police officers who arrested the Ranks were told to do so by Secret Service agents.

Charles Bopp, a spokesman for the Secret Service, had previously said his agency did not direct the arrests.

The ACLU filed a federal lawsuit last September against the Secret Service, seeking an injunction against the Bush administration for segregating protesters at his public appearances. The Secret Service agreed to stop the practice.

Bush's appearance in West Virginia was an official visit and not a campaign event.

The lawsuit said the Ranks obtained free tickets to the July 4 event. Information they received with the tickets specified items they were not allowed to bring, such as coolers and lawn chairs, but did not say anything about clothing. Nicole Rank received an e-mail at work that said, "there is no specified dress code."

Jeff Rank said he and his wife wore the T-shirts because, "When you see the president speak on TV he is usually shown surrounded by fervent supporters only. While we wanted to hear him out and while we wanted to see him in person, we did not want to be added to the tally of Bush supporters that day."

They were not shouting or heckling, did not lie down in protest and did not resist arrest, Jeff Rank said.

While the Ranks were put in handcuffs, fingerprinted and spent two hours in jail, other people at the event who wore Bush campaign T-shirts and buttons were not bothered, said Andrew Schneider, the executive director of the ACLU in West Virginia.

"Presidents cannot be insulated from dissent," Schneider said.

Although Nicole Rank, 30 and a registered Democrat, initially was dismissed from her job with the Federal Emergency Management Agency, she was rehired after the charges were dropped. She now is on an assignment in Richmond, Va.

The Ranks had been living in Corpus Christi, Texas, and were in West Virginia because of Nicole Rank's FEMA assignment. They have since moved to Charleston. Jeff Rank, 29 and a registered Republican, is a math and science tutor at the University of Charleston.


Update
Government to pay $80K to pair arrested for anti-Bush T-shirts (http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/%5Cnews.aspx?id=18932)
Nicole and Jeffrey Rank were charged with trespassing at July 4, 2004, presidential rally at West Virginia Capitol after they refused to cover up shirts. 08.17.07

[Rohirrim]

I don't know where you rightards got the idea that liberals were peaceful.

After all, us liberals declared war on the king of England and overthrew his tyranny, kicking his ass off this contintent, and founding a new country based on our liberal principles.

That wasn't very peaceful of us, was it?

[ghwk]

Funny....I don't recall McSpammer uttering a peep of protest re: the violation of these people's rights...



Update
Government to pay $80K to pair arrested for anti-Bush T-shirts (http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/%5Cnews.aspx?id=18932)
Nicole and Jeffrey Rank were charged with trespassing at July 4, 2004, presidential rally at West Virginia Capitol after they refused to cover up shirts. 08.17.07

Well there's 80 Grand of taxpayer money we won't get back that the right spent for us trying to silence dissent. Welcome to Glen Beck's Amerika.

[TonyR]

Every crowd is going to have a few knuckle heads. It doesn't matter if it is a conservative group or liberal group.

To me this is not a liberal/conservative issue just a fact that the world is full of knuckle heads.

Pointing out things like this are pretty pointless, what is the objective. Do you think liberals are gonna all of the sudden say **** it, those violent bastards I am now a conservative.

Sad that this has to be pointed out to people like the person who started this worthless thread. Hard to get logic like this through to someone whose bias and psychosis runs so deep.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I am not saying it is ok, but It wasn't like he got a beat down. He got bumped a little, people have put up with much worse.

Every crowd is going to have a few knuckle heads. It doesn't matter if it is a conservative group or liberal group.

To me this is not a liberal/conservative issue just a fact that the world is full of knuckle heads.

I would agree with you, but its just not true. There are several incidents over the past year that have been perpetrated by union goons or liberals in general at rallies. Meanwhile they have painted the Tea Party as this violent bunch of people without a single incident to prove it.

A little backward, dont you think? Dont you want the whole story instead of the bits that have been chosen for you to see?

Pointing out things like this are pretty pointless, what is the objective. Do you think liberals are gonna all of the sudden say **** it, those violent bastards I am now a conservative.

No. The hope is that they begin to police themselves rather than to ignore it and continue to make things up about conservatives.

Personally, if I were at a rally for a guy I support and then some jackass starts popping off next to me, screaming at the top of his lungs while I am trying to listen I would probably tell him to shut the **** up as well. Just because you have a right to free speech doesn't mean you can act like an a-hole and ruin the event for everyone around you.

btw I am a conservative on most issues....

But would you deliver the shoulder blow to the guy's back like the guy did at 0:27-0:32 ?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Where was McSpammer during the Bush years when American citizens were constantly being hustled out of Bush's "speeches" by the Secret Service or by thugs hired by the RNC - simply for wearing t-shirts with the 'wrong' message?

That's right - defending BushCo's tactics.

Typical right-wing double standard.

[barryr]

Ah, i got a better one: During the Broncos game-day chat two Sunday's ago, Req said somebody should put a bullet through my head and burn my house down, a place where my wife and two kids also reside.

Gotta love these peace-going liberals.

Yes, that bozo likes to follow me around forums and post his usual idiot name calling crap, then complains when people don't take his crap and give it back to him. Then he threatens to tell employers and make death threats. He also likes to tell me he has me on ignore, yet responds to many of my posts anyway that don't even have anything to do with him either. He also brought in a phony NFL scout a few years ago and didn't like it when I called him on that either. He has mental problems.