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baja
10-07-2010, 02:18 AM
SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) — Avoid protectionism.

If there’s been one mantra among political and economic leaders since the financial crisis rocked the world two years ago, it’s been to avoid protectionist policies at all costs.

History tells us, if not Fed Governor Ben Bernanke, that it was the headlong rush among countries into protectionist trade policies after the stock market crash of 1929 and subsequent financial crisis that sent the world spiraling into the Great Depression in the 1930s.


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With everybody hoarding their chips, economies from the U.S. to Europe and Asia effectively shut down. So that’s been what political and economic leaders have warned against in every speech and conference since Lehman Brothers collapsed. And that’s what they’ll warn against in this weekend’s International Monetary Fund meeting in Washington D.C. also.

But unless some historic agreement can be whipped up among the canapes and photo ops during the weekend, that’s right where the world is heading, pell-mell.

Japan’s frantic attempts to stem the yen’s rise in the past month — first with a currency intervention and then with a surprise cut in interest rates — are the latest and most dramatic examples of countries trying to fight off the ravaging effects of the falling dollar on their economies and trade scenarios.

Brazil, Australia, Israel, Canada, even Switzerland, to name a few, are all struggling with higher currencies that hurt their exports; some trying to balance the loss in competitiveness abroad with much needed hikes in interest rates at home as their economies begin to recover. Meanwhile, even as the U.S. and Europe begin to take out the big guns in their battle to convince China to slash the value of its renminbi, we are both happy to watch the dollar fall and keep the euro from rising anymore so we can try to export our own ways out of recession. Even though that’s never worked before.

Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner raised the stakes in the showdown with China on Wednesday, blaming the country for the beginnings of what some media and economists are now calling a currency war. See story on Geithner stepping up pressure on China.

The term “currency war” made some good headlines this week, but it’s probably too strong for where we are right now. If the U.S. and Europe and China start slinging trade arrows to punish each other, then we are in danger of a 1930s-style meltdown.

In the meantime, stocks are rocking and gold is soaring on low rates and weak currencies as central bankers rush to declare that they will buy as many bonds as needed to keep bond yields — i.e. interest rates — low.

Stock bulls see the low rates stimulating corporate borrowing and hope it will spread to consumers. Gold bugs see the low rates ultimately creating massive inflation and a run from all currencies into the precious metal. Both scenarios are possible. But a third one is that at some point a sign of economic growth and the end of easy money ignite a massive run out of bonds and shakes global markets, stocks, commodities, currencies and derivatives alike.

That’s the risk. As long as the battle to keep money flowing escalates, the reversal could be all the more painful.

No major central bank wants to be the first to prick this bubble. Some commentators claim their stubbornness will cost them their independence from government control at some point. I don’t know. But I sure miss the days of the German Bundesbank thumbing its nose at the political winds in Bonn twice a month in the 1990s and maintaining its own anti-inflationary stance with as high rates as it thought necessary.

The banks are trapped, and so promising calm and lining up the money machines. The politicians are trapped, so loudly blaming each other in different countries. The consumers are trapped without jobs. Which brings us to companies, and to corporate earnings season.

With an 11th-hour deal to align currency expectations globally this weekend increasingly unlikely, the markets will only have third-quarter corporate earnings to look forward to next week when they begin in earnest. Estimates point to a weaker-than-expected season overall, but you never know. Financial earnings will be crucial.

The debate about a tipping point in the global economy is about to be settled, one way or another. But if we continue heading down the currency road to ruin, history will not be on our side.

David Callaway is editor-in-chief of MarketWatch.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-07-2010, 08:08 AM
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1887927&postcount=1

Rohirrim
10-07-2010, 08:22 AM
Add to this today's business report that shows all the major corporations are using their bail-out money not to create jobs, but to buy back stocks to drive up their own value. Nobody is playing the real nuts and bolts economy game anymore. They're all paper chasers. The policies of Geithner, Summer, Greenspan, et al were a disaster for this country, and yet everybody in Washington, and Wall Street is still playing the game by their rules. It's like the analogy of bleeding Washington to death because that's all they know to do. Time to come up with a new paradigm. Perhaps they should look at the first line of the preamble to the Constitution containing the words "...general welfare..." Building an economy that favors the rich in the hopes that it will trickle down is anti-thetical to basic American values. Build an economy that favors the "general" populace, not the elite clicques.

Of course we all know that all kinds of changes are needed today, economics, politics, environment, education, etc. etc. But it seems we have created a system that locks out change. Those who benefit from the status quo can kill change before it can even hatch out. It's like we are on the Titanic approaching the ice field at full speed and those who are in power keep assuring us that we are on the right course.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-07-2010, 08:44 AM
Add to this today's business report that shows all the major corporations are using their bail-out money not to create jobs, but to buy back stocks to drive up their own value.

You mean the same thing they did with their Bush tax cuts?

Who woulda thunk? ;)

baja
10-07-2010, 10:52 PM
Add to this today's business report that shows all the major corporations are using their bail-out money not to create jobs, but to buy back stocks to drive up their own value. Nobody is playing the real nuts and bolts economy game anymore. They're all paper chasers. The policies of Geithner, Summer, Greenspan, et al were a disaster for this country, and yet everybody in Washington, and Wall Street is still playing the game by their rules. It's like the analogy of bleeding Washington to death because that's all they know to do. Time to come up with a new paradigm. Perhaps they should look at the first line of the preamble to the Constitution containing the words "...general welfare..." Building an economy that favors the rich in the hopes that it will trickle down is anti-thetical to basic American values. Build an economy that favors the "general" populace, not the elite clicques.

Of course we all know that all kinds of changes are needed today, economics, politics, environment, education, etc. etc. But it seems we have created a system that locks out change. Those who benefit from the status quo can kill change before it can even hatch out. It's like we are on the Titanic approaching the ice field at full speed and those who are in power keep assuring us that we are on the right course.

We are not unlike a cancer we are growing without regard to the effects on the host and will not until she will not support us any longer. I see the first world as group insanity.

Taco John
10-08-2010, 12:07 AM
Add to this today's business report that shows all the major corporations are using their bail-out money not to create jobs, but to buy back stocks to drive up their own value.


Well of course. They're rational actors just like everybody else in the economy. Why do you think so many of us were yelling about this in the first place. They weren't going to continue on with business as usual. They were going to use the money to shore up their businesses first.

I didn't use any of my tax rebates to buy new TVs, did you? I used it to pay down debt - turned it right over to the credit card corporations - just like a lot of people in my shoes. We did everything we could to shore up our own financial position before starting to spend frivolously again. And to our credit, it worked. We're seeing the benfits of it now. We've expanded our family, and took on more responsibilities at work and thus expanded our worth to our organizations, and thus our earning potential.

Companies are going to do the same thing. They're going to do everything they can to improve their bottom lines and shore up their foundations before making any expansion - and any expansion they do make will be careful and calculated and cheap as possible.

Those businesses should have been liquidated, but congress chose to opt for the status quo and keep the crooks in power. And in November, it will be congress who pays for it, not the corporations that they didn't allow to liquidate.

Taco John
10-08-2010, 12:13 AM
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1887927&postcount=1

I can't tell if that's a serious post or not. It reads like a policy position from Pat Buchanan, but it's coming from L.A. Broncos Fan.

BroncoBuff
10-08-2010, 01:44 AM
Add to this today's business report that shows all the major corporations are using their bail-out money not to create jobs, but to buy back stocks to drive up their own value.

Tragic, really, it's all about stock value now, nothing more. The rich have taken over, the end is nigh .....


Yes Taco, the rich are are, we are, all of us are, rational maximizers ... neither the corporations nor the rich nor any of us will EVER do anything we're not forced to do. THAT'S WHERE GOVERNMENT COMES IN. To lay out a vision of what our nation and society should be, and then implement policies - policies with teeth - that will help make it happen. This reasoning is why LABF favors protectionism in some cases I think.

kappys
10-08-2010, 02:29 AM
Those businesses should have been liquidated, but congress chose to opt for the status quo and keep the crooks in power. And in November, it will be congress who pays for it, not the corporations that they didn't allow to liquidate.

No one will pay for it except taxpayers. Lets not forget that all the bailouts have been passed agianst widespread oppossition from both Democrats and Republicans. In fact the first bailout had what - 80% disapproval(i don't recal the exact numbers)

What happened - Congress passed it anyways. Both parties have the same or nearly the same policy when it comes to these bailouts - because both are being directed by the same panel of crooks that makes up the federal reserve.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-08-2010, 03:37 AM
I can't tell if that's a serious post or not. It reads like a policy position from Pat Buchanan, but it's coming from L.A. Broncos Fan.

Hey - don't you remember when I said I would make PB head of the INS if I were running things?

Like Ron Paul, some of PB's ideas are great, but most are nuttier than a fruitcake.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-08-2010, 03:39 AM
Tragic, really, it's all about stock value now, nothing more. The rich have taken over, the end is nigh .....


Yes Taco, the rich are are, we are, all of us are, rational maximizers ... neither the corporations nor the rich nor any of us will EVER do anything we're not forced to do. THAT'S WHERE GOVERNMENT COMES IN. To lay out a vision of what our nation and society should be, and then implement policies - policies with teeth - that will help make it happen. This reasoning is why LABF favors protectionism in some cases I think.

Correct.

Furthermore, many of our trade partners impose tariffs on our imports.

What's good for the goose...

Rohirrim
10-08-2010, 09:04 AM
No one will pay for it except taxpayers. Lets not forget that all the bailouts have been passed agianst widespread oppossition from both Democrats and Republicans. In fact the first bailout had what - 80% disapproval(i don't recal the exact numbers)

What happened - Congress passed it anyways. Both parties have the same or nearly the same policy when it comes to these bailouts - because both are being directed by the same panel of crooks that makes up the federal reserve.

It reminds me of the Vietnam War. The war was founded on an incorrect philosophy: If the U.S. didn't stop every and any incursion of communism (driven by the Soviets) anywhere in the world, then eventually, communism would take over - the Domino Effect. Even after years of war, when the architects themselves were saying, "Our philosophy was wrong. We were wrong. This war is wrong," it didn't matter. The war kept going. It had it's own momentum.

As Hartmann wrote in his piece, we threw out one philosophy of economics in the Reagan era and replaced it with another: Supply side economics. Now we realize that theory is a disaster for much of the country, although not for the top few percent. They have profited throughout this crash and continue to do so. Unfortunately, this economy has its own momentum and continues to operate. It's like a giant Ponzi scheme. We know it doesn't work, but by killing all the regulations, we have left ourselves with no way of stopping it.

mhgaffney
10-08-2010, 09:36 AM
I don't agree that protectionism caused the Great Depression.

It was a self inflicted wound. Bankers were responsible. They made a conscious decision to move the nation into a deflationary situation. The dollar maintained its value throughout.

The bankers used the crisis -- as they always do -- to consolidate their own power. Big banks gobbled up small banks. The rich became richer.

But nothing like what we have seen in the last couple of years.

This time the crisis is much worse. We are facing a deflationary time -- with prices not constant (or falling as in the 1930s) but still rising.

The dollar is in deep trouble. The worst is yet to come.

MHG