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TheReverend
10-06-2010, 04:19 PM
Sure "stats are for losers" but we're getting to a point where we keeping adding more and more comprehensive information in context so it's becoming more and more telling.

So what information would you like to see?

I'd like to see:

- Interceptions broken into man and zone coverage and tipped balls.

- Someone timing sacks for "coverage"

- QB pressures over which player. Same with sacks.

- RBs successful rushing lanes and the associated linemen credited

- Missed blocks

- Missed tackles

Mogulseeker
10-06-2010, 04:22 PM
I'd definitely like to see more stats measuring an O-lineman's performance.

A lot of Broncos fans might not even be able to tell you who Ryan Clady is, even though he's probably our best player.

But yeah, missed blocks, pancakes, etc.

Also something for the d-linemen in the 3-4 as well... something like "blocks eaten" or "gaps plugged" only something less dirty sounding.

Garcia Bronco
10-06-2010, 04:22 PM
CB targeted/in coverage man or zone/ passes completed realted to CB man or zone.

And the number plays and players rush per game. So 10 plays rushing 5, 15 plays rush 4 and so on, and classify it by 4-3 and 3-4

Defensive pressures.

mkporter
10-06-2010, 04:30 PM
I'd definitely like to see more stats measuring an O-lineman's performance.

A lot of Broncos fans might not even be able to tell you who Ryan Clady is, even though he's probably our best player.

But yeah, missed blocks, pancakes, etc.

Also something for the d-linemen in the 3-4 as well... something like "blocks eaten" or "gaps plugged" only something less dirty sounding.

Not specific to players, per se, but FO gives some more detailed oline stats:

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

TheReverend
10-06-2010, 04:37 PM
- YAC and YAC % for both QBs and WRs

Fusionfrontman
10-06-2010, 04:54 PM
I think the most likely to become more 'mainstream', as I've heard it mentioned over the last few years on the primetime games is 'QB hurries/knockdowns'.

RhymesayersDU
10-06-2010, 04:54 PM
Hillis mentions per thread.

elsid13
10-06-2010, 04:56 PM
Number of Time per day Rev thinks about ****ing a blow-up lobster

epicSocialism4tw
10-06-2010, 05:00 PM
I think that the Chiefs now unofficially keep a stat for "molestations".

DivineLegion
10-06-2010, 05:03 PM
Tackle's for a loss

epicSocialism4tw
10-06-2010, 05:09 PM
Tackle's for a loss

Those are kept. If you look at the ESPN box score, look at the defensive statistics and there's a column titled "TFL". That's Tackles For Loss.

DawnBTVS
10-06-2010, 05:17 PM
Some of these may be kept but I'd like more consistency on their features...

QBs: Air Rate (How long the ball is in the air prior to hitting the receiver)
RBs: Broken Tackles/Missed Tackles (BT is obvious. Missed Tackles would be elusiveness)
WRs/TEs: Catch Area. Does a receiver catch the ball 5 yards from the LOS? 10? 20? Would separate true "deep threats" from true "possession" guys.
OL: Block Time. How long does the lineman engage and block a player on run and pass plays?
DL: Disengage Time. See above for OL but the lineman gets away from the block.
LBs: Tackle Space. Do they make tackles on the sidelines or just after a RB has gained 5 yards up the middle?
DBs: Head Turns. How many of their pass breaks have the DB's head turned towards the ball? Separates those who play the man from those who play the ball.
Punters: Hang Time. Better/More consistently kept.

Eldorado
10-06-2010, 06:26 PM
Skanks sworded.

Man-Goblin
10-06-2010, 08:08 PM
Did someone say Hillis? I'd like to know ygihwr. Or yards gained if Hillis was running. Shouldn't be too hard. Take yards gained and square it.

Doggcow
10-06-2010, 08:32 PM
"My-Bad" interceptions, you know the ones where the WR/RB/TE just totally **** the QB over? Those ones.

The Joker
10-06-2010, 11:15 PM
I think a stat called 'Pancakes Eaten' would have some serious value.

Bronco Boy
10-06-2010, 11:18 PM
Pants crapping hits: when a dude tackles a dude so hard he craps his pants. It could either be measured in occurrences or total volume.

Los Broncos
10-06-2010, 11:20 PM
Blocks missed would be a good one.

ELEVATION
10-07-2010, 02:23 AM
Go to profootball focus.com you can get all the stats you want there, you have to pay for the premium stuff this year(as now they give there info to NFl personnel(scouts, teams etc...), but i dont care i paid the 90 bucks and through 3 games i have been stoked with what i have learned.....i posted this at the mania site for the indy game....they give numerical ratings, but due to agreements i signed, I cant post their content so i edited the stats into letter grades for the indy game here is what we have. The Tenn game should be out sometime today.


INDY GRADES


Key offensive Grades

(63 plays)Brandon Lloyd had B grade
B rating catching the ball/C- blocking

(43 Plays)Eddie royal had a overall of D+
C- catching the ball/C- blocking

(79 plays)Ryan Clady had a overall of C+
B- pass block/C run block

(79 Plays)Stanley Daniels had a overall of C-
C pass block/D run block/3 QB pressures allowed

(79 Plays)JD walton had a overall of D
C- pass block/C run block/D penalties/3 QB pressures allowed

(79 plays)Chris Kuper had a C-
B pass block/F run block

(79 plays)Zane Beadles had a F
D pass block/D run block/1 sack allowed/6 Qb pressures allowed

(78 plays)Daniel Graham had a C-
D catching the ball/C+ blocking

(56 plays)Jabar Gaffney had a C
C catching the ball/C blocking

(79 plays)Orton had a B
B throwing the ball

(40 plays)Maroney had a C-
C catching/D rushing/C+ blocking

(39 plays)Buckhalter had a C
C catching/C- rushing/C+ blocking

(32 plays)Gronkowski had a C-
C catching/C- blocking

(28 plays)Thomas had a overall of C+
C catching/C+ blocking


Key Defensive Grades

(51 plays) Justin Bannan had a C+
C run defense/C pass rush/1 QB hit/1 Qb pressure

(49 plays) Jamal Williams had a C+
B run defense/C- pass rush/2 TFL

(19 plays) Ryan Mcbean had a C
C run defense/C pass rush

(68 plays) Mario Haggan had a B+
A run defense/C- pass rush/C pass coverage

(68 plays) DJ Williams had a B
C run defense/C pass rush/B+ pass coverage

(68 plays) Robert Ayers had a overall rating of A
B run defense/B+ pass rush/1 Qb hit/6 Qb pressures

(68 plays) Champ Bailey had a overall rating of B+
C run defense/B+ pass defense/4 pass breakups

(66 plays) Brian Dawkins had a overall of C-
C run defense/C pass rush/C- pass defense

(68 plays) Renaldo Hill had a overall of C
C run defense/C pass defense

(68 plays) Perish Cox had a overall of B+
C run defense/B+ pass defense/5 pass break-ups

(64 plays) Nathan Jones had a overall C
C run defense/C- pass defense

(17 plays) Marcus Thomas had a overall B
B run defense/C pass rush

(8 plays) Ronald Fields had a overall of C
C run defense/C pass rush

(22 plays) Kevin Vickerson had a overall of C+
C run defense/C+ pass rush/2 Qb hits/1 Qb pressure

(48 plays) Darcel Mcbath had a overall of C
C run defense/C pass coverage


also ortons worst rating for throwing the ball that day was a D- in throws from 0-10 yds in the middle.....everything else had a B+ rating including throws over 25 yds to LT, RT and middle.....dude is much improved.....

Mediator12
10-07-2010, 06:01 AM
Sure "stats are for losers" but we're getting to a point where we keeping adding more and more comprehensive information in context so it's becoming more and more telling.

So what information would you like to see?

I'd like to see:

- Interceptions broken into man and zone coverage and tipped balls.

- Someone timing sacks for "coverage"

- QB pressures over which player. Same with sacks.

- RBs successful rushing lanes and the associated linemen credited

- Missed blocks

- Missed tackles

Those are tracked by various outlets, however they are vastly subjective stats and not easily done outside the actual playcall and team assignments. Teams do track these very things and attach them to players grades, but they are certainly NOT going to let fans have access to them ;D

BroncoInferno
10-07-2010, 06:11 AM
I'd like them to find ways to quantify offensive line performance. Pancake blocks, for example, are often mentioned but isn't an official stat. Teams had out "grades" to lineman...I'd like to see an official formula created to "grade" lineman on the same scale league wide.

Rock Chalk
10-07-2010, 06:14 AM
Rev's Pats On The Back Per Post Count.

Mediator12
10-07-2010, 06:23 AM
I'd like them to find ways to quantify offensive line performance. Pancake blocks, for example, are often mentioned but isn't an official stat. Teams had out "grades" to lineman...I'd like to see an official formula created to "grade" lineman on the same scale league wide.

It would be great, but it requires knowing things that are not readily available to the public. Like Playcalls and even more restricted is how teams make that play unique. Especially, if teams change the playcall at the LOS or for OL the protections.

Mediator12
10-07-2010, 06:23 AM
Rev's Pats On The Back Per Post Count.

Can that be quantified? I thought that was just pure emotional capital :welcome:

ELEVATION
10-07-2010, 06:29 AM
I'd like them to find ways to quantify offensive line performance. Pancake blocks, for example, are often mentioned but isn't an official stat. Teams had out "grades" to lineman...I'd like to see an official formula created to "grade" lineman on the same scale league wide.

that is a non issue for denver we havent given one of those yet this year, we just recieve em.....lol....;D

Smiling Assassin27
10-07-2010, 08:12 AM
Scrotums grabbed per attempt.

Finger Roll
10-07-2010, 10:35 AM
for a qb. Pass interfernce, offsides and defensive holding forced. that should be included in the qb rating imo.

On defense they should have a stat called 1rst down saving tackles on 3rd or 4th down.

they should also have a stat called almost stuff on defense. a tackle where the player only gets 0-2 yards. But if the player gets a first down the defender doesn't get a credit

TheReverend
10-07-2010, 10:41 AM
- Holds against for defensive linemen would be nice.

HAT
10-07-2010, 10:53 AM
The majority of suggestions in this thread are indeed "tracked"...They are just not published.

LVSC's stat database is greater than FO, CHFF, and all of the MSM sites combined.

OCBronco
10-07-2010, 11:02 AM
I'm not sure how you track this (and I'm not trying to derail the thread), but I would be curious to see what sort of correlation there is between serious injuries and players who work out away from the team's strength and conditioning facilities in the offseason.

gyldenlove
10-07-2010, 11:28 AM
Hotties per capita in the crowd.

That would be vital to figure out which away games to go to.

TheReverend
10-07-2010, 11:40 AM
The majority of suggestions in this thread are indeed "tracked"...They are just not published.

LVSC's stat database is greater than FO, CHFF, and all of the MSM sites combined.

So do CBS, Fox, NBC, ESPN and naturally the NFL. I'm talking about ones readily available to the public and easily accessed.

HAT
10-07-2010, 11:58 AM
So do CBS, Fox, NBC, ESPN and naturally the NFL. I'm talking about ones readily available to the public and easily accessed.

The sites listed above are what I meant by MSM.

I know what you meant by the OP and I agree it would be great if JQP could get their hands on some of these stats. Problem is...There is no financial incentive for a MSM site to do so.

All the MSM sites and even NFL.com care about is promoting their Fantasy options. The 'basic' sortable stats offered are good enough for that goal. Thus, why do the legwork to offer anything else?

Sites like CHFF & FO do a good job of digging deeper but like I said...LVSC has most if not all of the suggestions listed in this thread at their fingertips.

I wonder to what extent the teams themselves have access to some of the ideas suggested? You would think a given coaching staff would keep track of some of this stuff in-house? Depending on which particular stats they deemed important.

Back on topic......

I too would like to see QB interceptions broken out by tipped balls. On the other side of that fence, I would also like to see "likely interceptions" tracked. (Where a DB clearly dropped a ball that hit him in the numbers/hands uncontested.)

TheReverend
10-07-2010, 12:56 PM
The sites listed above are what I meant by MSM.

I know what you meant by the OP and I agree it would be great if JQP could get their hands on some of these stats. Problem is...There is no financial incentive for a MSM site to do so.

All the MSM sites and even NFL.com care about is promoting their Fantasy options. The 'basic' sortable stats offered are good enough for that goal. Thus, why do the legwork to offer anything else?

Sites like CHFF & FO do a good job of digging deeper but like I said...LVSC has most if not all of the suggestions listed in this thread at their fingertips.

I wonder to what extent the teams themselves have access to some of the ideas suggested? You would think a given coaching staff would keep track of some of this stuff in-house? Depending on which particular stats they deemed important.

Back on topic......

I too would like to see QB interceptions broken out by tipped balls. On the other side of that fence, I would also like to see "likely interceptions" tracked. (Where a DB clearly dropped a ball that hit him in the numbers/hands uncontested.)

Completely agree that my OP's statement wasn't clear enough.

ELEVATION
10-07-2010, 12:57 PM
Some grades from profootbalfocus for TENN GAME

Key offensive Grades

(79 plays)Brandon Lloyd had A+ grade
A catching the ball/B- blocking

(71 plays)Eddie royal had a overall of B
B catching the ball/C blocking

(85 plays)Ryan Clady had a overall of F
F pass block/C- run block, allowed 1 Qb sack, 1 Qb hit, 5 pressures

(85 plays)Stanley Daniels had a overall of F
C pass block/F- run block/ 1 sack, 2 QB pressures allowed

(85 plays)JD walton had a overall of D
D pass block/D+ run block/4 QB pressures allowed

(85 plays)Chris Kuper had a F-
C- pass block/F- run block/1 Qb hit, 2 pressures allowed

(85 plays)Ryan Harris had a F
F pass block/C-run block/1 sack allowed/1 Qb hit/4 Qb pressures allowed

(84 plays)Daniel Graham had a C-
C- catching the ball/C- blocking/1 sack allowed

(67 plays)Jabar Gaffney had a C-
C- catching the ball/C blocking

(85 plays)Orton had a B+
B+ throwing the ball

(31 plays)Maroney had a D
D catching/C-rushing/C blocking

(54 plays)Buckhalter had a C
C catching/C rushing/C- blocking

(20 plays)Thomas had a overall of C(A on returns however)
C catching/C blocking



Our OL sucks at Run blocking period, this is 2 games in a row of complete trash for daniels and Kuper....if they dont fix it quick a guard will be needed to push the crap out of them next year, could be injuries and inexperience, but if teh ywant jobs next year they better get it fixed.....also maroney is a joke and billicheck schooled us by getting a 4th for him......lloyd, royal, orton are saving this team right now on offense....clady and harris also had big trouble on teh edge against pass rush, and as mUg stated graham had a bad blocking game as well....

Key Defensive Grades

(46 plays) Justin Bannan had a B-
B run defense/C- pass rush/1 QB hit

(40 plays) Jamal Williams had a C
C run defense/C pass rush/1 Qb pressure

(32 plays) Kevin Vickerson had a C
C run defense/C pass rush/1 Qb pressure

(55 plays) Mario Haggan had a C-
C run defense/C- pass rush/C pass coverage

(55 plays) DJ Williams had a B
B- run defense/C pass rush/C- pass coverage/1 sack

(55 plays) Robert Ayers had a overall rating of C
B+ run defense/D pass rush/1 Qb pressures

(54 plays) Champ Bailey had a overall rating of C
C run defense/C pass defense/PI call hurt to...

(55 plays) Brian Dawkins had a overall of C+
C run defense/C pass rush/C- pass defense/1 sack/3 Qb pressures

(55 plays) Renaldo Hill had a overall of C+
C run defense/C+ pass defense/

(55 plays) Perish Cox had a overall of C
C run defense/C pass defense/

(64 plays) Nathan Jones had a overall C
C run defense/C- pass defense

(13 plays) Marcus Thomas had a overall C+
C+ run defense/C pass rush

(14 plays) Darcel Mcbath had a C-
C- pass defense/C- run defense

(19 plays) Nathan Jones had a C-
C run defense/C- pass defense



keep in mind C is not a bad grade the concerns are the D, and F grades those were bad games......luckily for us we stopped chris johnson but that 54 yarder really hurt some run defense scores, pass coverage was so so, but vince couldnt get it done....give our guys credit, while no one played spectacular as a individual in any one area on the defense, they play as a team and are able to get each others backs...first half splits look pretty rough, they had a beastly second half though on defense

Missouribronc
10-07-2010, 02:08 PM
(85 plays)Ryan Clady had a overall of F
F pass block/C- run block, allowed 1 Qb sack, 1 Qb hit, 5 pressures

(85 plays)Stanley Daniels had a overall of F
C pass block/F- run block/ 1 sack, 2 QB pressures allowed

(85 plays)JD walton had a overall of D
D pass block/D+ run block/4 QB pressures allowed

(85 plays)Chris Kuper had a F-
C- pass block/F- run block/1 Qb hit, 2 pressures allowed

(85 plays)Ryan Harris had a F
F pass block/C-run block/1 sack allowed/1 Qb hit/4 Qb pressures allowed

(84 plays)Daniel Graham had a C-
C- catching the ball/C- blocking/1 sack allowed

Ouch.

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ELEVATION
10-08-2010, 03:01 AM
Ouch.

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def not just the backs......i sure hope this gets better or our later season games maybe more rough than originally thought....

TotallyScrewed
10-08-2010, 04:49 AM
I'd like to see the ref. stats. How they are graded...week to week.