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epicSocialism4tw
03-06-2011, 01:37 PM
How about...LeBron AND Wade...

Terrible decision by LeBron to try and take Noah to the rim. He should have tried to stop and pop, and then Wade just missed the fadeaway on the rebound.

That doesn't help my argument, does it?

LeBrick is now 1-6 this season on shots in the final 0:10. That's 16.7%

They should have given the ball to Chalmers.

epicSocialism4tw
03-06-2011, 01:44 PM
This offseason, Miami should trade LeBrick for Dwight Howard.

That would give Miami a legit lineup, and would rid them of the drama associated with LeBrick.

They would have a dominant post player and a dominant ball handler. Howard would also allow them to put Bosh in a position to succeed in playing an accessory to the pick n roll of Wade/Howard.

Miami could roll out Howard/Bosh/Miller/Wade/Chalmers, which is a very good, very balanced 5 where everyone is playing a position they are supposed to and nobody is asked to do anything that they cant do. The salary is more evenly spread to diverse types of players, which is important in the NBA.

RhymesayersDU
03-06-2011, 02:44 PM
This offseason, Miami should trade LeBrick for Dwight Howard.

That would give Miami a legit lineup, and would rid them of the drama associated with LeBrick.

They would have a dominant post player and a dominant ball handler. Howard would also allow them to put Bosh in a position to succeed in playing an accessory to the pick n roll of Wade/Howard.

Miami could roll out Howard/Bosh/Miller/Wade/Chalmers, which is a very good, very balanced 5 where everyone is playing a position they are supposed to and nobody is asked to do anything that they cant do. The salary is more evenly spread to diverse types of players, which is important in the NBA.

Speaking of fantasy type trades, here's what I'd do to fix the Heat:

1) Trade Bosh for Kevin Love -- Why Minnesota does this: Bosh is under contract for a couple years, they'll likely lose Love soon. Why Miami does this: Bosh is not great.

2) Trade Dwayne Wade to NY for a similar package that the Nuggies got for Carmelo. Obviously, this isn't possible and would require a time machine. But I'm just saying, you'd get more quality depth, and you'd still have LeBron and either Bosh or Kevin Love.

Now I know, regarding scenario #2 -- Trading LeBron versus trading DWade. Clearly, there's a debate to be had. I'd stick with LeBron personally, but I clearly would understand the other side of that argument. I like DWade a lot, don't get me wrong there.

epicSocialism4tw
03-06-2011, 03:17 PM
Speaking of fantasy type trades, here's what I'd do to fix the Heat:

1) Trade Bosh for Kevin Love -- Why Minnesota does this: Bosh is under contract for a couple years, they'll likely lose Love soon. Why Miami does this: Bosh is not great.

2) Trade Dwayne Wade to NY for a similar package that the Nuggies got for Carmelo. Obviously, this isn't possible and would require a time machine. But I'm just saying, you'd get more quality depth, and you'd still have LeBron and either Bosh or Kevin Love.

Now I know, regarding scenario #2 -- Trading LeBron versus trading DWade. Clearly, there's a debate to be had. I'd stick with LeBron personally, but I clearly would understand the other side of that argument. I like DWade a lot, don't get me wrong there.

I'd be ticked if I was a Heat fan and they traded Wade. LeBrick is the tag-along. He's the newcomer.

I think you can also get more for LeBrick because he sells jerseys...and yes, having a marketable player is immensely important to owners.

You could probably get Howard for LeBrick, and Howard is a more valuable player to the Heat (for what they need) than LeBrick.

What alot of people dont understand is that in the NBA, players have defined roles at certain positions. The Heat's roles are all tangled up, and the players dont have the smarts to sort all that out.

Willynowei
03-06-2011, 03:42 PM
You have three superstars, none of which have consistent range beyond the three point line, all of which prefer to operate close to the basket. Biggest problem? None of them plays center which leaves the PG as the only other spot on the court that can legitimately stretch the floor, and people wonder why they can't score in the half court?

Listen, the Miami heat are the best fast break team thats probably ever been constructed, they also work really hard and have a lot of athleticism on defense.

But at the end of the day, in a half court game, as long as the opposing team avoids turnovers, they can't do very much.

They are OKC (before the Perkins trade) at their absolute best.

HAT
03-06-2011, 03:43 PM
Whatever. They (Lakers) don't look like a team that will be able to flip the switch come playooff time.

Who said anything about waiting until the playoffs?

http://pauljenkins.tv/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/smart-switch_69.jpg

Willynowei
03-06-2011, 03:47 PM
Who said anything about waiting until the playoffs?

http://pauljenkins.tv/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/smart-switch_69.jpg

Boston pretty much traded away the Championship this year, or at the very least diminished their chances significantly.

Finals will be LA v. Boston barring injury. Too much size, its that simple. Lakers with Bynum - Gasol - Artest - Kobe - Fisher, have 5 guys that are each in the top 1 or 2 in terms of pure size at their position in the NBA.

When they are focused its JV vs. Varsity, no other team outside these two have a chance.

epicSocialism4tw
03-06-2011, 03:47 PM
You have three superstars, none of which have consistent range beyond the three point line, all of which prefer to operate close to the basket. Biggest problem? None of them plays center which leaves the PG as the only other spot on the court that can legitimately stretch the floor, and people wonder why they can't score in the half court?

Listen, the Miami heat are the best fast break team thats probably ever been constructed, they also work really hard and have a lot of athleticism on defense.

But at the end of the day, in a half court game, as long as the opposing team avoids turnovers, they can't do very much.

They are OKC (before the Perkins trade) at their absolute best.

Not a chance. The Nash/Johnson/Marion/Stoudemire Suns and the Nash/Finley/Nowitzki Mavs are easily better. Not to mention the showtime Lakers and Run TMC.

Willynowei
03-06-2011, 04:21 PM
Not a chance. The Nash/Johnson/Marion/Stoudemire Suns and the Nash/Finley/Nowitzki Mavs are easily better. Not to mention the showtime Lakers and Run TMC.

I'll take this squad over any of those. The reason is simple, your teams are all great 5 man teams on break, but the heat don't need 5 on the break, Lebron and Wade are better than all 5 of them in unison.

Example, Nash steal and starts break with Finley, but defense hustles back to have 3 defenders on 2, the best they can get at that point is usually 3 point shot from a trailer (Nowitzki) because Nash cannot finish against an athletic and fast 2 guard defender, never mind a big man like lets say Howard.

Not to say an open 3 by the big german is anything to scoff at, but when LBJ and Wade break out into the open court, its a 95% chance at 2 points, you just can't do any better than that. More often than not, it won't matter who you have back there, even a D-Howard type of guy will have to foul to stop those guys from dunking. They just get too high, can you think of any team ever to have fastbreak finishers like that?

You simply can't defend two dunkers who can take off from the free thrown line and finish with power.

Maybe MAYBE the NJ Nets with Jefferson and Martin, but they weren't this skilled, not even close, these guys can finish both sides, harder, and can switch hands or change direction much better.

The rest of the team doesn't matter when 2 on 5 seals the deal

epicSocialism4tw
03-06-2011, 04:24 PM
I'll take this squad over any of those. The reason is simple, your teams are all great 5 man teams on break, but the heat don't need 5 on the break, Lebron and Wade are better than all 5 of them in unison.

Example, Nash steal and starts break with Finley, but defense hustles back to have 3 defenders on 2, the best they can get at that point is usually 3 point shot from a trailer (Nowitzki) because Nash cannot finish against an athletic and fast 2 guard defender, never mind a big man like lets say Howard.

Not to say an open 3 by the big german is anything to scoff at, but when LBJ and Wade break out into the open court, its a 95% chance at 2 points, you just can't do any better than that. More often than not, it won't matter who you have back there, even a D-Howard type of guy will have to foul to stop those guys from dunking. They just get too high, can you think of any team ever to have fastbreak finishers like that?

Maybe MAYBE the NJ Nets with Jefferson and Martin, but they weren't this skilled, not even close.

You'd take this Heat squad who gets maybe 10-14 fast break points a game over the showtime Lakers, the Nellie Mavs, and the 7 seconds or less Suns?

Sorry, but that's just silly.

DivineBronco
03-06-2011, 04:36 PM
You'd take this Heat squad who gets maybe 10-14 fast break points a game over the showtime Lakers, the Nellie Mavs, and the 7 seconds or less Suns?

Sorry, but that's just silly.

wow you are not even reading what he wrote...you think you are and will claim you did but jesus christ man

Willynowei
03-06-2011, 04:44 PM
You'd take this Heat squad who gets maybe 10-14 fast break points a game over the showtime Lakers, the Nellie Mavs, and the 7 seconds or less Suns?

Sorry, but that's just silly.

In fast break situations, yeah. Those units had a point guard who pushed non break situations into break situations (example: Nash is an expert in catching the in bounds pass after a made basket and running it to the other end as fast as he could, whereas most teams would walk it up), this team doesn't, thats a big difference in what the numbers show.

But in terms of efficiency, as in, once they are on the break, I think this team finishes better than those units.

epicSocialism4tw
03-06-2011, 04:51 PM
In fast break situations, yeah. Those units had a point guard who pushed non break situations into break situations (example: Nash is an expert in catching the in bounds pass after a made basket and running it to the other end as fast as he could, whereas most teams would walk it up), this team doesn't, thats a big difference in what the numbers show.

But in terms of efficiency, as in, once they are on the break, I think this team finishes better than those units.

I'd take Magic dishing the ball to Worthy and Kareem or Nash pushing the ball and dishing to Marion/Johnson/Stoudemire.

Those teams actually had some success against good teams. So far the Heat have had shockingly little.

Missouribronc
03-06-2011, 04:53 PM
In fast break situations, yeah. Those units had a point guard who pushed non break situations into break situations (example: Nash is an expert in catching the in bounds pass after a made basket and running it to the other end as fast as he could, whereas most teams would walk it up), this team doesn't, thats a big difference in what the numbers show.

But in terms of efficiency, as in, once they are on the break, I think this team finishes better than those units.

None of the above mentioned teams (outside the Showtime Lakers) played defense, and that's definitely the difference. The Mavs and Suns shouldn't even enter the conversation as great fast-paced teams because they didn't play defense.

Hell, Paul Westhead averaged something like 120 points a game with the Nuggets and couldn't win. It's about defense.

That's why this Heat team is better than those teams, and that's why the Showtime Lakers were better and won championships.

bombay
03-06-2011, 04:55 PM
Speaking of fantasy type trades, here's what I'd do to fix the Heat:

1) Trade Bosh for Kevin Love -- Why Minnesota does this: Bosh is under contract for a couple years, they'll likely lose Love soon. Why Miami does this: Bosh is not great.

2) Trade Dwayne Wade to NY for a similar package that the Nuggies got for Carmelo. Obviously, this isn't possible and would require a time machine. But I'm just saying, you'd get more quality depth, and you'd still have LeBron and either Bosh or Kevin Love.

Now I know, regarding scenario #2 -- Trading LeBron versus trading DWade. Clearly, there's a debate to be had. I'd stick with LeBron personally, but I clearly would understand the other side of that argument. I like DWade a lot, don't get me wrong there.


Can't see any way that Minnesota would consider that.

bombay
03-06-2011, 04:57 PM
Carmelo is lying on the floor with.. possibly an eye injury? Al Horford apparently poked him in the eye.

Willynowei
03-06-2011, 05:20 PM
I'd take Magic dishing the ball to Worthy and Kareem or Nash pushing the ball and dishing to Marion/Johnson/Stoudemire.

Those teams actually had some success against good teams. So far the Heat have had shockingly little.

We are talking about 2 different things, I don't think Miami is the best team, I think they are the best fast break team.

Not the best team amongst fast break teams, the best team in fast break situations.

I don't think they are the best team overall out of any list of teams, unless we are judging by hype only.

bombay
03-06-2011, 06:19 PM
Chris Paul is taken off the floor on a stretcher after a head-to-head collision in Cleveland.

bombay
03-06-2011, 06:50 PM
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/3/6/2033950/chris-paul-injury-neck-head-stretcher

TonyR
03-06-2011, 06:55 PM
You have three superstars, none of which have consistent range beyond the three point line, all of which prefer to operate close to the basket. Biggest problem? None of them plays center which leaves the PG as the only other spot on the court that can legitimately stretch the floor, and people wonder why they can't score in the half court?...

...But at the end of the day, in a half court game, as long as the opposing team avoids turnovers, they can't do very much.


Yup, this and the lack of a good enough supporting cast is what many said back when people were crowning Miami after they got LeBron.

Willynowei
03-06-2011, 07:33 PM
Yup, this and the lack of a good enough supporting cast is what many said back when people were crowning Miami after they got LeBron.

They would be a hell of a team if they traded Lebron for Howard. (This is if Howard decides he doesn't want to play in Orlando when his contract is in its last year). Not that would ever happen, just saying ROFL!

cutthemdown
03-06-2011, 07:45 PM
Look out but the Lakers just destroyed the Spurs. a 3 peat would be so epic.

epicSocialism4tw
03-06-2011, 09:00 PM
They would be a hell of a team if they traded Lebron for Howard. (This is if Howard decides he doesn't want to play in Orlando when his contract is in its last year). Not that would ever happen, just saying ROFL!

Good luck to any team trying to beat a Howard/Bosh/Wade group.

I doubt Miami is smart enough to make that happen though.

spdirty
03-06-2011, 09:51 PM
Good luck to any team trying to beat a Howard/Bosh/Wade group.

I doubt Miami is smart enough to make that happen though.

Miami would be the scourge of the league by the players for about 10 years if they did that deal though. The only free agents they would get would be those who couldnt sign on with anyone else.

And Howard, Wade, and Bosh would be gone ASAP.

TonyR
03-07-2011, 07:28 AM
LeBrick is now 1-6 this season on shots in the final 0:10.

The actual stat is 1-7 when down three or less in the final 10 seconds of the 4th quarter or OT. But if you're going to condemn LeBron here you also have to condemn Wade who is 0-5. Do you have a clever nickname for him, too?

Man-Goblin
03-07-2011, 08:01 AM
The actual stat is 1-7 when down three or less in the final 10 seconds of the 4th quarter or OT. But if you're going to condem LeBron here you also have to condemn Wade who is 0-5. Do you have a clever nickname for him, too?

Ooo, Ooo! I do! I call him PED-Wade.

maven
03-07-2011, 08:49 AM
The actual stat is 1-7 when down three or less in the final 10 seconds of the 4th quarter or OT. But if you're going to condemn LeBron here you also have to condemn Wade who is 0-5. Do you have a clever nickname for him, too?

Take the Spurs game out, and the Heat have been there at the end of the game. They are not hitting the shots right now whether it's Chalmers, Miller, Wade, Bosh, and James. 19 games to go before the playoffs start and the team is rock bottom. We'll see if they can dig it out. I think they can.

Missouribronc
03-07-2011, 12:28 PM
Take the Spurs game out, and the Heat have been there at the end of the game. They are not hitting the shots right now whether it's Chalmers, Miller, Wade, Bosh, and James. 19 games to go before the playoffs start and the team is rock bottom. We'll see if they can dig it out. I think they can.

They've become predictable in the 1/2-court set.

How many times did they run the ball screen on the left elbow, just up top the three-point line yesterday?

By the fourth quarter, the Bulls had it defensed, but they kept going back to it, just the little two-man game with LeBron and Wade. The Bulls knew it was coming, hell the Bulls told Hubie Brown that they would switch off of it, instead of fight through screens, and sure enough, last play of the game, they try the two-man game, this time at the top of the key, Noah switches off on LeBron, and instead of using his superior ball skills against the big man, or kicking it (although for some reason, and Brown pointed this out, Miller collapsed on the play...probably because he knew what LeBron was going to do just like everybody else) he drove to the basket and had to get it up and over Noah. He misses and Wade has to try the fadeaway from the corner.

The offense is predictable, and when they get into sets like that, especially at the end of games, teams know exactly what's coming. That's why Spoelstra is getting criticized, and rightly so. Either he's not calling the right play, or the players are ignoring any play he sends in, and either way, it's not good.

vancejohnson82
03-07-2011, 01:44 PM
They've become predictable in the 1/2-court set.

How many times did they run the ball screen on the left elbow, just up top the three-point line yesterday?

By the fourth quarter, the Bulls had it defensed, but they kept going back to it, just the little two-man game with LeBron and Wade. The Bulls knew it was coming, hell the Bulls told Hubie Brown that they would switch off of it, instead of fight through screens, and sure enough, last play of the game, they try the two-man game, this time at the top of the key, Noah switches off on LeBron, and instead of using his superior ball skills against the big man, or kicking it (although for some reason, and Brown pointed this out, Miller collapsed on the play...probably because he knew what LeBron was going to do just like everybody else) he drove to the basket and had to get it up and over Noah. He misses and Wade has to try the fadeaway from the corner.

The offense is predictable, and when they get into sets like that, especially at the end of games, teams know exactly what's coming. That's why Spoelstra is getting criticized, and rightly so. Either he's not calling the right play, or the players are ignoring any play he sends in, and either way, it's not good.

this is exactly it....it reminds me of a high school team that has two good players....they run multiple sets throughout the game, but when its crunchtime they throw it all out the window and play this level of basketball that is predictable, stale and easy to defend.

Can anyone ever remember a time that Lebron kicked the ball out for the win?

epicSocialism4tw
03-07-2011, 01:55 PM
The actual stat is 1-7 when down three or less in the final 10 seconds of the 4th quarter or OT. But if you're going to condemn LeBron here you also have to condemn Wade who is 0-5. Do you have a clever nickname for him, too?

Of course I do.

epicSocialism4tw
03-07-2011, 01:58 PM
this is exactly it....it reminds me of a high school team that has two good players....they run multiple sets throughout the game, but when its crunchtime they throw it all out the window and play this level of basketball that is predictable, stale and easy to defend.

Can anyone ever remember a time that Lebron kicked the ball out for the win?

Dude's so full of himself that he wont let anyone else take the shot.

If LeBrick was Magic, he would make his teammates better. But alas, he's no Magic.

Missouribronc
03-07-2011, 01:59 PM
this is exactly it....it reminds me of a high school team that has two good players....they run multiple sets throughout the game, but when its crunchtime they throw it all out the window and play this level of basketball that is predictable, stale and easy to defend.

Can anyone ever remember a time that Lebron kicked the ball out for the win?

And...he has a career 40 percent 3-point shooter on one wing and a kid who hit one of the biggest threes ever in an NCAA National Championship Game on the other...

epicSocialism4tw
03-07-2011, 02:24 PM
And...he has a career 40 percent 3-point shooter on one wing and a kid who hit one of the biggest threes ever in an NCAA National Championship Game on the other...

Chalmers looks like their go-to guy right now. Ha!

Missouribronc
03-07-2011, 02:31 PM
Chalmers looks like their go-to guy right now. Ha!

Why is that funny? Guys have made careers out of making big shots in clutch time and not doing much else the rest of he game...

Robert Horry is a borderline HOFer doing it.

TDmvp
03-07-2011, 02:34 PM
http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/9232/lebronjamesatlantahawks.jpg


Miami should really consider gathering up all those bricks and building a homeless shelter for the local people of Miami.

epicSocialism4tw
03-07-2011, 02:36 PM
http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/9232/lebronjamesatlantahawks.jpg


Miami should really consider gathering up all those bricks and building a homeless shelter for the local people of Miami.

ROFL!

Dude, that's too much! Ha!

TDmvp
03-07-2011, 02:37 PM
ROFL!

Dude, that's too much! Ha!



heheh Thank you Thank you , I wouldn't not what to do if someone took my gimp(photoshop) from me hehehe...

epicSocialism4tw
03-07-2011, 02:39 PM
Why is that funny? Guys have made careers out of making big shots in clutch time and not doing much else the rest of he game...

Robert Horry is a borderline HOFer doing it.

Its just funny because LeBrick is so bad at it.

Chalmers kept them in the game. Chalmers contributes in alot of ways, but out on the floor they dont treat him with respect. You can tell that there's an unspoken thing going on out there...its the big three and then everyone else. That's not how the Celtics go about it. They play team roles, and include the peripheral guys in the team. The Spurs have made a dynasty of that, the Lakers have made a dual champion out of it, the Pistons won a championship like that, etc. I'm not so sure the Heat are capable of that.

TDmvp
03-07-2011, 02:53 PM
Even his patented "Powder Toss" has been a little off all season...

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/5329/lebronjamespowdertossvs.jpg
Hilarious!Hilarious!Hilarious!

24champ
03-07-2011, 03:06 PM
I like how ESPIN is trying to make Lebrick look good by saying at least Lebrick is emotional and cares about the game.ROFL!

http://www.kulone.com/Thumb/Event/500x420/cea057c5-fd89-45b1-8354-2be7e5cc0b3e.jpg

Missouribronc
03-07-2011, 03:12 PM
I like how ESPIN is trying to make Lebrick look good by saying at least Lebrick is emotional and cares about the game.ROFL!

I guess I hadn't seen that. That must be on TV. Online today, Adande and Broussard have been pretty critical.

Tombstone RJ
03-07-2011, 03:24 PM
Idiots like Colin Cowterd have said that the heat will start winning when LaBrick stops being so selfish and gives the ball to Wade for the clutch shots.

So, that's all it takes and the Heat will dominate. LaBrick just dumps it to Wade for the big shots at the end of the game and bingo, the dynasty is set for the next 5 years...

My question is why are these games even close? Shouldn't the heat be up by 40 at the end of the game anyway??

Inkana7
03-07-2011, 03:26 PM
this is exactly it....it reminds me of a high school team that has two good players....they run multiple sets throughout the game, but when its crunchtime they throw it all out the window and play this level of basketball that is predictable, stale and easy to defend.

Can anyone ever remember a time that Lebron kicked the ball out for the win?

Not that I'm defending LeBron, cause **** him, but as a Cavs fan and someone who has watched a good deal of his career, for a long time people gave LeBron crap for kicking the ball out to other people at the end of the game. I can remember quite a few occasions that he deferred to take the shot himself.

Missouribronc
03-07-2011, 03:33 PM
Idiots like Colin Cowterd have said that the heat will start winning when LaBrick stops being so selfish and gives the ball to Wade for the clutch shots.

So, that's all it takes and the Heat will dominate. LaBrick just dumps it to Wade for the big shots at the end of the game and bingo, the dynasty is set for the next 5 years...

My question is why are these games even close? Shouldn't the heat be up by 40 at the end of the game anyway??

They have been taking care of business recently against teams they should, maybe not by 40 points, but 10 points here, 8 points there, a few true blowouts, even some close wins over lesser teams.

Wade and LeBron aren't so light years ahead of Kobe and Gasol, or Pierce, Allen, Rondo and Garnett, or even Rose, Boozer and Deng. And Cowherd's point about giving it to Wade is part of the solution, obviously not all of it...like I said earlier (and after just reading Broussard's comments on it), Spoelstra has to get them running something other than basic two-man isos and LeBron has to be a little more humble at the end of the game and if Miller is open at the three line and he's got the best defender on the floor in his face, he's got to kick it.

Missouribronc
03-07-2011, 03:36 PM
Not that I'm defending LeBron, cause **** him, but as a Cavs fan and someone who has watched a good deal of his career, for a long time people gave LeBron crap for kicking the ball out to other people at the end of the game. I can remember quite a few occasions that he deferred to take the shot himself.

Did they win those games?

vancejohnson82
03-07-2011, 03:43 PM
Did they win those games?

that was going to be my next question

Karenin
03-07-2011, 04:02 PM
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Robert Horry is a borderline HOFer doing it.

haha, what? Horry is not going to ever come anywhere close to the hall of fame, i can guarantee you that. Maybe the U of A hall of fame or some bull****, but not the pro basketball one.

maven
03-07-2011, 06:26 PM
They've become predictable in the 1/2-court set.

How many times did they run the ball screen on the left elbow, just up top the three-point line yesterday?

By the fourth quarter, the Bulls had it defensed, but they kept going back to it, just the little two-man game with LeBron and Wade. The Bulls knew it was coming, hell the Bulls told Hubie Brown that they would switch off of it, instead of fight through screens, and sure enough, last play of the game, they try the two-man game, this time at the top of the key, Noah switches off on LeBron, and instead of using his superior ball skills against the big man, or kicking it (although for some reason, and Brown pointed this out, Miller collapsed on the play...probably because he knew what LeBron was going to do just like everybody else) he drove to the basket and had to get it up and over Noah. He misses and Wade has to try the fadeaway from the corner.

The offense is predictable, and when they get into sets like that, especially at the end of games, teams know exactly what's coming. That's why Spoelstra is getting criticized, and rightly so. Either he's not calling the right play, or the players are ignoring any play he sends in, and either way, it's not good.

And if any of the players I mentioned hit their shots, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Right now, the Heat players are not hitting their shots to close out their games. It doesn't get much simpler than that.

epicSocialism4tw
03-07-2011, 06:30 PM
And if any of the players I mentioned hit their shots, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Right now, the Heat players are not hitting their shots to close out their games. It doesn't get much simpler than that.

Its not just right now...its all year.

Missouribronc
03-07-2011, 07:57 PM
Its not just right now...its all year.

Against the top teams. They are hitting shots in lesser games. Let's not act like this is some ball club struggling to get to .500.

They have the 6th best record in the league and are 23 games over .500.

Missouribronc
03-07-2011, 08:13 PM
Extremely entertaining game in Memphis tonight. Just got home to catch the final six minutes between the Grizz and Thunder. I guess the Grizz had a 17-point lead in the third and Durant went off.

Inkana7
03-07-2011, 10:06 PM
Did they win those games?

Good question. I do remember a few times when we did. The one that keeps coming to mind is a game winner hit by Delonte West.

epicSocialism4tw
03-08-2011, 07:15 PM
Phil Jackson gets a jab in at LeHeat:

"This is the NBA: No Boys Allowed," Jackson said. "Big boys don't cry. But, if you're going to do it, do it in the toilet where no one can see."
http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/news/story?id=6195016

Ha!

Their next game against LeChoke and the Bricks should be entertaining to say the least. Bad blood is boiling.

If the Heat get tromped in that game, it could completely break their spirits.

vancejohnson82
03-08-2011, 08:32 PM
Phil Jackson gets a jab in at LeHeat:

"This is the NBA: No Boys Allowed," Jackson said. "Big boys don't cry. But, if you're going to do it, do it in the toilet where no one can see."
http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/news/story?id=6195016

Ha!

Their next game against LeChoke and the Bricks should be entertaining to say the least. Bad blood is boiling.

If the Heat get tromped in that game, it could completely break their spirits.

you are going to look stupid when the Heat make the East Finals

RhymesayersDU
03-08-2011, 09:12 PM
you are going to look stupid when the Heat make the East Finals

There are a couple different jokes that could be had from this statement.

epicSocialism4tw
03-08-2011, 09:21 PM
The Heat got closed out again tonight.

If they get blown out against LA on Thursday, they may as well just pack it up. I think that teams dont respect them and now expect to win when they play them. Bosh is disengaged, Miller is disengaged.

maven
03-08-2011, 09:33 PM
What did Dan Issel see in Raef Lafrentz?

You had Vince Carter & Paul Pearce sitting right there to be taken.

WTF were you ****ing thinking?

epicSocialism4tw
03-08-2011, 09:49 PM
you are going to look stupid when the Heat make the East Finals

It doesnt matter if they make the East Finals. What matters is if they win a championship or not, because thats the level that they promised to deliver.

We were hearing talk of 70 wins and an easy road to the rings...from Miami.

LeBrick's Cleveland Cavs of last year were +6 games on this seasons Heat.

That's right. 2010 Cleveland > 2011 Miami . Not by one or two games. By 6 games.

That Cleveland team had lost 15 games up to this point. Miami has lost 21. Miami has already lost as many games as Cleveland lost all of last year.

At this rate, Miami will end up winning about 52-55 games. Cleveland won 61 last season.

Man-Goblin
03-09-2011, 11:32 AM
What did Dan Issel see in Raef Lafrentz?

You had Vince Carter & Paul Pearce sitting right there to be taken.

WTF were you ****ing thinking?

The story goes that Issel was ready to draft Pierce with the pick, but he had a conversation with Roy Williams that changed his mind. Apparently, Williams told Issel not to go anywhere near Pierce because of his character issues.

You can keep the two UNC guys that also went in the top 5, but Nowitzki went #9 and Pierce went #10. Crazy.

Jason in LA
03-09-2011, 11:55 AM
The Heat are a mess, and at this point it looks like they'll be hitting the road come playoff time. As of right now the only series they'll have home court in is the first round.

Now, the same can be said for the Lakers, but the Lakers are a proven team, so they get the benefit of the doubt. And the way the Lakers are playing, the only team that they can't realistically catch in the standings are the Spurs. They are right on the heels of the Bulls and Mavs and only two games behind the Celtics. By the end of the season they might not be giving up home court to too many times. But the Heat, it looks like they'll be giving up home court to every team that has a shot at going deep in the playoffs. The Bulls might take them out in the second round.

epicSocialism4tw
03-09-2011, 01:01 PM
The Heat are a mess, and at this point it looks like they'll be hitting the road come playoff time. As of right now the only series they'll have home court in is the first round.

Now, the same can be said for the Lakers, but the Lakers are a proven team, so they get the benefit of the doubt. And the way the Lakers are playing, the only team that they can't realistically catch in the standings are the Spurs. They are right on the heels of the Bulls and Mavs and only two games behind the Celtics. By the end of the season they might not be giving up home court to too many times. But the Heat, it looks like they'll be giving up home court to every team that has a shot at going deep in the playoffs. The Bulls might take them out in the second round.

Home court isnt as important in the west because the teams at the top are all proven road teams with players who have won big games on the road in the playoffs.

Inkana7
03-09-2011, 01:09 PM
Home court isnt as important in the west because the teams at the top are all proven road teams with players who have won big games on the road in the playoffs.

Home Cort has been crucial for the Lakers the past two years. In series against the Rockets, Nuggets and Thunder, they looked like a much different team at Home than when they had to play those teams on their court.

Willynowei
03-09-2011, 01:39 PM
Home Cort has been crucial for the Lakers the past two years. In series against the Rockets, Nuggets and Thunder, they looked like a much different team at Home than when they had to play those teams on their court.

They look different because they were lazy, they knew that they were the better team and the players didn't play as hard.

If you look at the closeout games in those series, the last game was usually a blowout, because once the Lakers could sniff the finish line, they turned up the intensity and usually buried people. Its all about their bigs, when the bigs play hard its a volley ball game out there, they just end up taping the ball into the rim all night.

I don't care if LA and Boston are both the 8 seeds in their respective conferences, its going to be those 2 in the finals. This is not the NFL, the parity in the NBA is only perceived.

Seriously, Phil Jackson has as many rings as the rest of the NBA combined in his years as head coach. Boston and LA have over half the championships that have ever existed.

This is a 2 horse race folks.

Jason in LA
03-09-2011, 07:00 PM
Home Cort has been crucial for the Lakers the past two years. In series against the Rockets, Nuggets and Thunder, they looked like a much different team at Home than when they had to play those teams on their court.

I'd say that's true for when they play the real contenders. But they did close out the Nuggets and Thunder on the road.

Home court will be an issue for the Lakers against the Mavs, Spurs, and in the NBA Finals. So I'm hoping they can finish with the second best record. I don't see them catching the Spurs, but they can catch everybody else.

TonyR
03-10-2011, 07:51 PM
Where are all the LeBron/Heat haters tonight?

TonyR
03-10-2011, 07:53 PM
If they get blown out against LA on Thursday, they may as well just pack it up.

I guess they'll keep playing then?

cutthemdown
03-10-2011, 07:55 PM
Home court isnt as important in the west because the teams at the top are all proven road teams with players who have won big games on the road in the playoffs.

Lakers will snatch home court from a team in one game. I don't worry at all about Lakers having to go into San Antonio if that is how it plays out.

We will see how they play tonight.

Soul-Bronco
03-10-2011, 08:03 PM
was at the game ! the crowd was pumped tonighted ! GO HEAT !!!!! so freakin awesome to watch kobe cry on the sidelines ! Wade showed up kobe didnt!

Domestic republic of beer here i come ! :yayaya:

Orange4Life
03-10-2011, 08:08 PM
The heat finally got someone to play worse than them down the stretch. kobe was about as bad as you can get for the last 5 min

cutthemdown
03-10-2011, 08:10 PM
Man i missed game looks like Lakers laid an egg.

cutthemdown
03-10-2011, 08:11 PM
Lakers still have beaten some good teams lately. IMO they can still win it but there are signs it's not going to happen. I still think even the Bulls could bounce Heat.

Spurs will be tough and obviously Celtics.

epicSocialism4tw
03-10-2011, 09:42 PM
I missed the game, but it sounds like the Heat won and can cry tears of joy this time.

spdirty
03-10-2011, 10:10 PM
Said it before and I'll say it again. MAN THESE MELO-LESS NUGGETS ARE FUN!

spdirty
03-10-2011, 10:11 PM
20 point lead at Phoenix. Can they get it up to 30?

epicSocialism4tw
03-10-2011, 10:15 PM
Said it before and I'll say it again. MAN THESE MELO-LESS NUGGETS ARE FUN!

Anthony's getting punked in Dallas right now.

TDmvp
03-10-2011, 10:17 PM
Where are all the LeBron/Heat haters tonight?

:wave:

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/5329/lebronjamespowdertossvs.jpg



Nothing stops Lebron like some of this ...

http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lguiqs1Ntn1qhqthvo1_500.jpg

I enjoyed watching the big four dispatch Lebron when he was in Cleveland and figure I will feel the same when it happens again with him in Miami.

spdirty
03-10-2011, 10:18 PM
Anthony's getting punked in Dallas right now.

While we're up 24 on the road at Phoenix after 3. 4 days off really helped them.

epicSocialism4tw
03-10-2011, 10:22 PM
:wave:

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/5329/lebronjamespowdertossvs.jpg


Winning.

Bronco Vixen
03-10-2011, 10:24 PM
While we're up 24 on the road at Phoenix after 3. 4 days off really helped them.

call me bitter, but this makes me happy...

1 2 3 4 T
Nuggets 30 29 31 26 116
Suns 25 24 17 31 97

Knicks 22 29 34 24 109
Mavericks 31 41 27 28 127

spdirty
03-10-2011, 10:27 PM
call me bitter, but this makes me happy...

1 2 3 4 T
Nuggets 30 29 31 4 94
Suns 25 24 17 8 74

Knicks 22 29 34 24 109
Mavericks 31 41 27 28 127

Just wish we could play them 1 more time this season.

spdirty
03-10-2011, 10:37 PM
Mozgov is in!

Jason in LA
03-10-2011, 10:52 PM
Damn, looks like the Heat figured out to give the ball to D Wade in the closing minutes of the game and get the hell out the way. They didn't give LeBron a chance to choke the game away.

TonyR
03-11-2011, 07:26 AM
Damn, looks like the Heat figured out to give the ball to D Wade in the closing minutes of the game and get the hell out the way. They didn't give LeBron a chance to choke the game away.

You people won't give LeBron a break. Just because he left Cleveland and did it the way he did it. The guy goes out and puts up a 19-8-9 line and still gets criticized. 3rd in scoring, 13th in assists, and 27th in rebounds in the league but still not enough for you people. Plenty to dislike about him as a person, I'm not particularly fond of him myself. But hard to dislike his as a basketball player.

Missouribronc
03-11-2011, 07:34 AM
You people won't give LeBron a break. Just because he left Cleveland and did it the way he did it. The guy goes out and puts up a 19-8-9 line and still gets criticized. 3rd in scoring, 13th in assists, and 27th in rebounds in the league but still not enough for you people. Plenty to dislike about him as a person, I'm not particularly fond of him myself. But hard to dislike his as a basketball player.

The past two weeks have given people a crutch to stand on for their hatred, because he's missed some shots at the end of games. That will fade.

The Lakers were freaking out a month ago when they went through a similar stretch, including the loss to Cleveland.

spdirty
03-11-2011, 07:44 AM
You people won't give LeBron a break. Just because he left Cleveland and did it the way he did it. The guy goes out and puts up a 19-8-9 line and still gets criticized. 3rd in scoring, 13th in assists, and 27th in rebounds in the league but still not enough for you people. Plenty to dislike about him as a person, I'm not particularly fond of him myself. But hard to dislike his as a basketball player.

Why do people have to like anything he does?

TonyR
03-11-2011, 08:03 AM
Why do people have to like anything he does?

They don't. But you have to realize that despite his flaws he's a great basketball player. All you have to do is look at what's happened in Cleveland since he left. Awesome talent and ability, just never had and/or accepted the coaching he needs. Can you imagine this guy playing for Phil Jackson?

Jason in LA
03-11-2011, 08:24 AM
You people won't give LeBron a break. Just because he left Cleveland and did it the way he did it. The guy goes out and puts up a 19-8-9 line and still gets criticized. 3rd in scoring, 13th in assists, and 27th in rebounds in the league but still not enough for you people. Plenty to dislike about him as a person, I'm not particularly fond of him myself. But hard to dislike his as a basketball player.

Why are you all bent about it?

gunns
03-11-2011, 08:32 AM
Phil Jackson gets a jab in at LeHeat:

"This is the NBA: No Boys Allowed," Jackson said. "Big boys don't cry. But, if you're going to do it, do it in the toilet where no one can see."
http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/news/story?id=6195016

Ha!

Their next game against LeChoke and the Bricks should be entertaining to say the least. Bad blood is boiling.

If the Heat get tromped in that game, it could completely break their spirits.

Gee, wouldn't be surprised if Jackson was in that toilet trying to remove his foot from his mouth. I doubt Kobe was there because he generally does his crying during the game.

TonyR
03-11-2011, 08:44 AM
Why are you all bent about it?

Who's "bent"? This is a discussion, right? I'm giving my opinion, you're giving yours, others are giving theirs. I just expect to see some semblance of intelligence and honesty from people, and anybody who can't bring themselves to admit that LeBron, no matter how big of a douchebag, is a great basketball player isn't demonstrating either of those qualities. The real question is why so many of you are so "bent" that LeBron dissed Cleveland that you can't have a rational opinion of him as a basketball player. I dislike Kobe Bryant but I don't bash him at every turn because I'm smart enough to both realize and admit that he's a fantastic basketball player.

Tombstone RJ
03-11-2011, 08:56 AM
Who's "bent"? This is a discussion, right? I'm giving my opinion, you're giving yours, others are giving theirs. I just expect to see some semblance of intelligence and honesty from people, and anybody who can't bring themselves to admit that LeBron, no matter how big of a douchebag, is a great basketball player isn't demonstrating either of those qualities. The real question is why so many of you are so "bent" that LeBron dissed Cleveland that you can't have a rational opinion of him as a basketball player. I dislike Kobe Bryant but I don't bash him at every turn because I'm smart enough to both realize and admit that he's a fantastic basketball player.

what? sorry, was looking at your avy...

spdirty
03-11-2011, 09:14 AM
Who's "bent"? This is a discussion, right? I'm giving my opinion, you're giving yours, others are giving theirs. I just expect to see some semblance of intelligence and honesty from people, and anybody who can't bring themselves to admit that LeBron, no matter how big of a douchebag, is a great basketball player isn't demonstrating either of those qualities. The real question is why so many of you are so "bent" that LeBron dissed Cleveland that you can't have a rational opinion of him as a basketball player. I dislike Kobe Bryant but I don't bash him at every turn because I'm smart enough to both realize and admit that he's a fantastic basketball player.

No, Lebron had the right to leave Cleveland and go where he wanted, just like Carmelo had his right to go where he wanted after this season.

As a result of that, we as fans have the right to give superstars that piss us off absolutely no credit for what they do, and we have the right to magnify it every time they screw up. They choose to take that villain role, and these are the consequences of that choice.

Inkana7
03-11-2011, 10:07 AM
They don't. But you have to realize that despite his flaws he's a great basketball player. All you have to do is look at what's happened in Cleveland since he left. Awesome talent and ability, just never had and/or accepted the coaching he needs. Can you imagine this guy playing for Phil Jackson?

That wouldn't work because LeBron doesn't want to listen to anyone but LeBron.

bombay
03-11-2011, 10:23 AM
After hearing a lot of the stuff that's leaked out about Carmelo's relationship with various teammates, the coach, etc, I'm beginning to think that when he said he'd have to take a hard look about re-upping with the Nuggets after the deadine passed, it was a threat.

spdirty
03-11-2011, 10:28 AM
After hearing a lot of the stuff that's leaked out about Carmelo's relationship with various teammates, the coach, etc, I'm beginning to think that when he said he'd have to take a hard look about re-upping with the Nuggets after the deadine passed, it was a threat.

I heard he had problems with KMart, Nene, Bird, and he absolutely despised Karl.

And I only read that from a Woody column. Please elaborate if you know any more.

bombay
03-11-2011, 10:33 AM
I heard he had problems with KMart, Nene, Bird, and he absolutely despised Karl.

And I only read that from a Woody column. Please elaborate if you know any more.

No, I don't know any more than you do, but assumining that's accurate, it's a big problem. Well, I also heard he had a problem with Ty Lawson, or that Lawson was hesitant to just play his game when Carmelo was on the court.

TonyR
03-11-2011, 10:59 AM
That wouldn't work because LeBron doesn't want to listen to anyone but LeBron.

That's possible, but Jackson has always found a way to get the best out of players. Hell he turned Dennis Rodman into an All Star! He's tamed some huge egos in his own way. Jordan, Pippen, Kobe, Shaq, etc. I wouldn't begin to suggest that he wouldn't find a way to tweak LeBron to greatness.

Chris
03-11-2011, 11:14 AM
Lebron will always be a villain now regardless of his play. He did it to himself.

epicSocialism4tw
03-11-2011, 01:31 PM
That wouldn't work because LeBron doesn't want to listen to anyone but LeBron.

...and some clown who calls himself "Worldwide Wes".

Seriously.

You couldnt make this stuff up.

epicSocialism4tw
03-11-2011, 01:34 PM
You people won't give LeBron a break. Just because he left Cleveland and did it the way he did it. The guy goes out and puts up a 19-8-9 line and still gets criticized. 3rd in scoring, 13th in assists, and 27th in rebounds in the league but still not enough for you people. Plenty to dislike about him as a person, I'm not particularly fond of him myself. But hard to dislike his as a basketball player.

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ohiobronco2
03-11-2011, 04:09 PM
That wouldn't work because LeBron doesn't want to listen to anyone but LeBron.

This. There is no doubt that LeBron is a great player, but he is such an a**hole it is hard to root for him and separate the player from the person. He had every right to leave, but it was the way he did it. Also, while I expect fans to be DB's I expect professionals to act professional. LeBron has attacked former teammates and fans via twitter and on the court. He's a d***.

ohiobronco2
03-11-2011, 04:10 PM
:wave:

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/5329/lebronjamespowdertossvs.jpg





LOL ROFL!

BroncoLifer
03-11-2011, 04:11 PM
That's possible, but Jackson has always found a way to get the best out of players. Hell he turned Dennis Rodman into an All Star! He's tamed some huge egos in his own way. Jordan, Pippen, Kobe, Shaq, etc. I wouldn't begin to suggest that he wouldn't find a way to tweak LeBron to greatness.

He didn't tame their egos -- he understood how to channel them.

TonyR
03-11-2011, 06:48 PM
Simmons with some great takes on the Heat today:

Our first shot of a somber Pat Riley in the stands. You get the feeling he wakes up in the middle of the night, gets up, makes himself some tea, then thinks about what he should have done instead of spending $109 million on Bosh and $48 million on Mike Miller and Joel Anthony. I should have passed on Bosh and gotten Scola for half the money. I should have passed on Miller and kept Dorell Wright for one-third. I could have given the leftover money to Ray Felton, then kept Beasley, then signed one more rebounder. DAMN IT ALL!!!!!!!!
...
Miami's biggest problem is Matt Maloney Syndrome. If you remember, Houston should have made the 1997 Finals with Hakeem, Barkley and Drexler (with Mario Elie, Kevin Willis and Eddie Johnson as its role players), but Brent Price blew out his knee that season, so the Rockets were stuck with Matt Maloney, a rookie point guard from Penn who got undressed by John Stockton in the Western finals. They couldn't survive Maloney's subpar play. Erick Dampier, Juwan Howard, Mike Bibby, Eddie House, Mario Chalmers, James Jones, Zydrunas Ilgauskas … they're a Collective Matt Maloney, basically.
...
Gotta say, it's hard not to see Phil Jackson and the MoHeatos on the same court without wondering what would happen if Jackson took over Miami and installed the Triangle. Wouldn't that be the ideal Wade-LeBron-Bosh offense, or am I crazy? Right now, Miami looks as if it's running Team USA's 2004 Olympic offense, which I affectionately called "The Poop Sandwich."
...
You know what Miami is missing? The Irrational Confidence Guy -- the guy who isn't one of the team's best players, but he'll have stretches in which he THINKS he is. I like those guys. It can go one of two ways: Either you have your Sam Cassell Late In His Career type, or your Eddie House/James Posey/2008 microwave guys. Vernon Maxwell was the best Irrational Confidence Guy ever -- he had so much irrational confidence that his Houston teams fed off it. Feels like Miami needs someone like that.
...
And that's what this Miami season has been -- a four-month-long comeuppance, a vindication that you can't stack your team without thinking it through, that role players matter, that coaching matters, that even the most talented basketball teams need a pecking order. Miami tried to cheat the system. It didn't work. Teams came roaring at them for four straight months -- night after night, a bull's-eye draped on their backs that never went away -- and, eventually, Miami started to wear down. It's possible to play playoff games for nine straight months, but only with a deep team. You can't do it with three guys.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/110311&sportCat=nba

That's a great point that Miami get's other teams' best almost every night. Other than the Lakers for some reason.

TonyR
03-11-2011, 06:52 PM
He didn't tame their egos -- he understood how to channel them.

Pretty much what I said by including the qualifier "in his own way".

broncofan2438
03-11-2011, 07:48 PM
How did you Suns fans like that game last night??

RhymesayersDU
03-11-2011, 09:55 PM
Who's "bent"? This is a discussion, right? I'm giving my opinion, you're giving yours, others are giving theirs. I just expect to see some semblance of intelligence and honesty from people, and anybody who can't bring themselves to admit that LeBron, no matter how big of a douchebag, is a great basketball player isn't demonstrating either of those qualities. The real question is why so many of you are so "bent" that LeBron dissed Cleveland that you can't have a rational opinion of him as a basketball player. I dislike Kobe Bryant but I don't bash him at every turn because I'm smart enough to both realize and admit that he's a fantastic basketball player.

It's because people have their agendas/positions on this board, and they have to stick to them come hell or high water. It's the same for Timmy Tebow, while we're on topic. It's like some weird rule, you have to take an extreme position and defend it to the death.Nobody is going to give an inch on LeBron, and I'd suggest letting the issue go.

The guy is a walking triple double, any sane person knows that. The rest know it but will argue with you just for the sake of arguing.

Does he have flaws, both personally and athletically? Yep, sure does. But so does everybody else. But he's an easy target to pile onto, especially when he's missing shots late.

epicSocialism4tw
03-11-2011, 11:42 PM
It's because people have their agendas/positions on this board, and they have to stick to them come hell or high water. It's the same for Timmy Tebow, while we're on topic. It's like some weird rule, you have to take an extreme position and defend it to the death.Nobody is going to give an inch on LeBron, and I'd suggest letting the issue go.

The guy is a walking triple double, any sane person knows that. The rest know it but will argue with you just for the sake of arguing.

Does he have flaws, both personally and athletically? Yep, sure does. But so does everybody else. But he's an easy target to pile onto, especially when he's missing shots late.

James' problems have nothing to do with his freak athleticism and his abilitiy to play basketball. It has everything to do with that peanut between his ears.

vancejohnson82
03-12-2011, 01:08 AM
Nets got 4 in a row for the first time in 3 years

and they are only five games out


i love the little things in life

Jason in LA
03-13-2011, 11:32 AM
Last night was a big win for the Lakers. Bynum is playing great for them right now. If he always played like that, and stayed healthy, nobody would ever consider trading the guy.

Now they're only a half game behind the Mavs and only a game behind the Celtics and Bulls for home court in the Finals.

Some feel that home court isn't all that important, and I think the Lakers could make it through without it, like the Celtics did last year. But I just don't like giving up home court to that many teams. As it is right now, if the teams ahead of them hold serve in the playoffs, the Lakers would have three series without home court. I don't like that too much. They're not going to catch the Spurs, but they can catch everybody else.

epicSocialism4tw
03-13-2011, 12:08 PM
Last night was a big win for the Lakers. Bynum is playing great for them right now. If he always played like that, and stayed healthy, nobody would ever consider trading the guy.

Now they're only a half game behind the Mavs and only a game behind the Celtics and Bulls for home court in the Finals.

Some feel that home court isn't all that important, and I think the Lakers could make it through without it, like the Celtics did last year. But I just don't like giving up home court to that many teams. As it is right now, if the teams ahead of them hold serve in the playoffs, the Lakers would have three series without home court. I don't like that too much. They're not going to catch the Spurs, but they can catch everybody else.

The Lakers wont necessarily need it.

They have the bigs to wear teams down.

In reality they're a game behind Dallas.

They'll have to remain even with Dallas and then beat them in LA in a couple weeks to get a firm hold on the #2 seed.

Yesterdays game was like a playoff game. The Lakers have so many weapons (Bynum was killer) and can beat you in so many different ways. There's simply not another team with the type of beef they have in the front court. Bynum and Artest are both big and strong and can push players around. Gasol isnt necessarily tough or strong, but he doesnt have to be...he's the finess player.

If the Lakers had to depend more on Gasol, I'd be worried for them. He tends to choke in late game situations. But they have so many weapons its ridiculous.

The Mavs cant match up with that. Dirk's really the only dominant player that the Mavs have. The Mavs have alot of good players, but not on the Lakers' level. Bynum is arguably the top C in the league next to Howard...if he gets the ball in the post you can forget it. Gasol is a solid #2 scorer, and they dont even need to depend on him for clutch scoring because they have two great clutch players in Bryant and Fisher.

The Lakers are the team to beat. It wont matter what their seed is.

Boobs McGee
03-13-2011, 12:27 PM
The Lakers wont necessarily need it.

They have the bigs to wear teams down.

In reality they're a game behind Dallas.

They'll have to remain even with Dallas and then beat them in LA in a couple weeks to get a firm hold on the #2 seed.

Yesterdays game was like a playoff game. The Lakers have so many weapons (Bynum was killer) and can beat you in so many different ways. There's simply not another team with the type of beef they have in the front court. Bynum and Artest are both big and strong and can push players around. Gasol isnt necessarily tough or strong, but he doesnt have to be...he's the finess player.

If the Lakers had to depend more on Gasol, I'd be worried for them. He tends to choke in late game situations. But they have so many weapons its ridiculous.

The Mavs cant match up with that. Dirk's really the only dominant player that the Mavs have. The Mavs have alot of good players, but not on the Lakers' level. Bynum is arguably the top C in the league next to Howard...if he gets the ball in the post you can forget it. Gasol is a solid #2 scorer, and they dont even need to depend on him for clutch scoring because they have two great clutch players in Bryant and Fisher.

The Lakers are the team to beat. It wont matter what their seed is.

In reality, we're a half game behind Dallas.

Should be an interesting couple of weeks, you guys have one of the best (maybe the best? or tied at least I thought?) road teams out there, and have some tough ones coming up. We get the next 7 at home. I think, judging by the way you have been playing this year, that this'll come down to a photo finish.

Just out of curiosity, where are you getting this idea in bold from?

Missouribronc
03-13-2011, 12:32 PM
Just out of curiosity, where are you getting this idea in bold from?

The same place where he thinks the Heat suck.

Jason in LA
03-13-2011, 01:10 PM
The Lakers wont necessarily need it.

They have the bigs to wear teams down.

In reality they're a game behind Dallas.

They'll have to remain even with Dallas and then beat them in LA in a couple weeks to get a firm hold on the #2 seed.

Yesterdays game was like a playoff game. The Lakers have so many weapons (Bynum was killer) and can beat you in so many different ways. There's simply not another team with the type of beef they have in the front court. Bynum and Artest are both big and strong and can push players around. Gasol isnt necessarily tough or strong, but he doesnt have to be...he's the finess player.

If the Lakers had to depend more on Gasol, I'd be worried for them. He tends to choke in late game situations. But they have so many weapons its ridiculous.

The Mavs cant match up with that. Dirk's really the only dominant player that the Mavs have. The Mavs have alot of good players, but not on the Lakers' level. Bynum is arguably the top C in the league next to Howard...if he gets the ball in the post you can forget it. Gasol is a solid #2 scorer, and they dont even need to depend on him for clutch scoring because they have two great clutch players in Bryant and Fisher.

The Lakers are the team to beat. It wont matter what their seed is.

The Lakers and Mavs have split their two games this year, so I'm not sure how you figure the Lakers are really a game behind. They have one final game against each other, and the winner could go on to get the two seed. So going by the same logic, I could say that the Lakers are really even with the Mavs. But that's not how it works. There are a good 15 games left, so it's not going to totally come down to that one game. But I would say that one game is very important.

epicSocialism4tw
03-13-2011, 01:22 PM
The Lakers and Mavs have split their two games this year, so I'm not sure how you figure the Lakers are really a game behind. They have one final game against each other, and the winner could go on to get the two seed. So going by the same logic, I could say that the Lakers are really even with the Mavs. But that's not how it works. There are a good 15 games left, so it's not going to totally come down to that one game. But I would say that one game is very important.

The Lakers have 1 more loss. The 1/2-a-game stuff is just fluff. That doesnt matter at all until the loss column is even.

Jason in LA
03-13-2011, 01:23 PM
It's because people have their agendas/positions on this board, and they have to stick to them come hell or high water. It's the same for Timmy Tebow, while we're on topic. It's like some weird rule, you have to take an extreme position and defend it to the death.Nobody is going to give an inch on LeBron, and I'd suggest letting the issue go.

The guy is a walking triple double, any sane person knows that. The rest know it but will argue with you just for the sake of arguing.

Does he have flaws, both personally and athletically? Yep, sure does. But so does everybody else. But he's an easy target to pile onto, especially when he's missing shots late.

Yes, it is fun to pile on LeBron, and people on this board, just like any other message board, seem to have extreme arguments and they can't see the other side of the argument, which is annoying.

But I'll point out that I never said that LeBron sucked, or wasn't a top 5 player. He is one of the best players in the league. But he gets questioned because his image hasn't been built up to be a top 5 player. He's been built up to be one of the greatest players ever, but there isn't much to support that because he has no titles, and he flames out in clutch time. He doesn't lead his team to victory when it matters the most.

Forming a "super team" and then struggling didn't help him any. Year 1 isn't over yet, so this "super team" can't be buried yet, but it has gotten off to a bad start. And James' having to take a back seat to another player when it matters the most doesn't help his rep any either.

LeBron is going to go down as a great player, but the question is if he'll reach the levels of Jordan, Magic, Bird, Kobe, Shaq, Duncan, and a few others. At this point he hasn't made a single step towards being mentioned with those guys.

I wouldn't be shocked if the Heat broke up their big three at some point to make this work.

epicSocialism4tw
03-13-2011, 01:28 PM
In reality, we're a half game behind Dallas.

Should be an interesting couple of weeks, you guys have one of the best (maybe the best? or tied at least I thought?) road teams out there, and have some tough ones coming up. We get the next 7 at home. I think, judging by the way you have been playing this year, that this'll come down to a photo finish.

Just out of curiosity, where are you getting this idea in bold from?

Gasol has been that type of player since his Memphis days. He's just not a guy that you can count on in crunch time.

Gasol had an opportunity to put the game away yesterday and he missed a free throw. He went without making a field goal in the final 6:30, shot 50% on his free throws during that period, and was -4 in +/-.

Like I said, Gasol is a good player that doesnt have to be great because he has so many other players to take the pressure off of him.

epicSocialism4tw
03-13-2011, 01:34 PM
The same place where he thinks the Heat suck.

I never said anything about the Heat sucking.

I said plenty about LeBrick choking away games, and ironically after that situation LeBrick went on an epic string of chokes in a 5-game losing streak.

So, you should just accept that your position has been extinguished and get on with it instead of getting little snarky snipes in when you can try to hide in a crowd of other people questioning opinions of mine that are unrelated to the one that was proven to be more educated than yours.

For goodness sake, you didnt even know what field goal % was.

broncofan2438
03-13-2011, 02:59 PM
Enough of the laker slobber. Nuggs with another great TEAM win

Missouribronc
03-13-2011, 03:20 PM
For goodness sake, you didnt even know what field goal % was.

I made a typo, you idiot.

Up until this year, LeBron has been just as clutch as any elite player in the league, as far as last second field goal percentage or shots made. This year there has been a change.

I'm not surprised that you don't have a clue about the importance of Gasol in late-game situations in the triangle offense. ****, you don't think Scottie Pippen was very good.

epicSocialism4tw
03-13-2011, 03:24 PM
I made a typo, you idiot.

Up until this year, LeBron has been just as clutch as any elite player in the league, as far as last second field goal percentage or shots made. This year there has been a change.

I'm not surprised that you don't have a clue about the importance of Gasol in late-game situations in the triangle offense. ****, you don't think Scottie Pippen was very good.

Right on, brosef.

Keep that train a-rollin'.

Missouribronc
03-13-2011, 03:29 PM
Right on, brosef.

Keep that train a-rollin'.

Tell us again about how Scottie Pippen is no better than Shawn Marion.

That was entertaining.

Now, Gasol isn't clutch, despite being one of the two best players on a two-time champion...

epicSocialism4tw
03-13-2011, 03:32 PM
Tell us again about how Scottie Pippen is no better than Shawn Marion.

That was entertaining.

Now, Gasol isn't clutch, despite being one of the two best players on a two-time champion...

I didnt say that Scottie Pippen was "no better" than Shawn Marion. I said that they are strikingly similar players, which is the truth.

As for Gasol...he doesnt have to be clutch. He can just pitch in over the course of the game and bow out to the best finisher in the league, which is what he does. It works for Gasol, and it works for the rest of the Lakers.

As for your opinion, you should really bow out like Gasol and let someone else be your Kobe Bryant. Because after you admitted that you thought that field goal % included free throw %, you pretty much shot the training wheels off of your credibility.

Missouribronc
03-13-2011, 03:35 PM
I didnt say that Scottie Pippen was "no better" than Shawn Marion. I said that they are strikingly similar players, which is the truth.

As for Gasol...he doesnt have to be clutch. He can just pitch in over the course of the game and bow out to the best finisher in the league, which is what he does. It works for Gasol, and it works for the rest of the Lakers.

That doesn't make Gasol "not clutch," it makes him intelligent.

As far as the former, Marion was similar to Pippen for a short period of time during his career. Pippen is clearly a better player, and always will be. In fact, over their entire careers its a ridiculous comparison.

Missouribronc
03-13-2011, 03:36 PM
As for your opinion, you should really bow out like Gasol and let someone else be your Kobe Bryant. Because after you admitted that you thought that field goal % included free throw %, you pretty much shot the training wheels off of your credibility.

I made a typo, you idiot. It's that simple. I inserted free throw where field goal should have gone. Like I said, go back and read that post with field goal inserted for free throw in the ONE instance I made the typo and re-argue. You can't, because you're wrong.

No where have I admitted that I believed what you are accusing. No where.

epicSocialism4tw
03-13-2011, 03:50 PM
That doesn't make Gasol "not clutch," it makes him intelligent.

That's right. He's smart enough to know that he cant handle the alpha dog role after being such a mediocre alpha dog in Memphis. Some people just arent capable of performing in the clutch. Gasol is one of those people.

Gasol never won a single playoff game in Memphis. His playoff performances were characterized by underachieving down the stretch of games.

Here's Gasol's last playoff game in Memphis. This pretty much encapsulates what his experience was like as an alpha dog...getting beat to a loose ball by the guy he's supposed to be defending, who buries the game-tying shot right in his face, and then repeatedly getting abused and missing shots that could bring the Grizzlies back into contention.

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That's why Gasol is not a go-to guy in the clutch. Its not because he's "intelligent", its because he cant be counted on to deliver consistently. Its the same with the Lakers. Nobody talks about it because its like a dirty little secret, but Gasol is just not the type of player who will deliver for the Lakers when they need it most. Fisher and Bryant are both awesome closers. They dont need Gasol to worry his pretty (ugly) little (big) head about it.


As far as the former, Marion was similar to Pippen for a short period of time during his career. Pippen is clearly a better player, and always will be. In fact, over their entire careers its a ridiculous comparison.

Statistically, Marion is a superior player. As far as clutch play, Pippen was far more impactful than Marion...especially in regards to man-v-man defense. Pippen was a more controlled defender who made timely plays. Marion has been an excellent defender as well, but he's not the type of shut-em-down man defender that Pippen was.

Missouribronc
03-13-2011, 03:56 PM
Statistically, Marion is a superior player.

Player A: 16 pts, 6 reb, 5 ass, 2 stl
Player B: 16, 9, 1, 1

Yeah, clearly superior.

And I don't know what I'm talking about...

epicSocialism4tw
03-13-2011, 04:03 PM
Player A: 16 pts, 6 reb, 5 ass, 2 stl
Player B: 16, 9, 1, 1

Yeah, clearly superior.

And I don't know what I'm talking about...

No, you have no idea.

I posted both of their stats earlier in this thread. You're welcome to re-post them again.

Dude...just admit that you're wrong and get on with it. No need to keep dragging this out. I'm not intending to pimp slap you up and down this thread, but you just keep popping up and asking for it. ;D

Boobs McGee
03-13-2011, 04:11 PM
"Gasol isnt necessarily tough or strong, but he doesnt have to be...he's the finess player.

If the Lakers had to depend more on Gasol, I'd be worried for them. He tends to choke in late game situations"

Thiswas youroriginal statement.

I don't blame you for not staying up on Lakers games, because you're a Mavs fan. But please, don't make generalizations like this without knowing your ****. FIRST OFF, Gasol is tough AND strong. He's played in EVERY playoff game since coming to the Gold and Purple, and has matched up well against Howard, Bogut, Kaman, Horford...outsized by all but still holding his own as a true power forward. He averaged double doubles while filling in for the oft injured Bynum. Yes, he's skinny and gets pushed around sometimes, but he also a very strong 7 footer that moves some of the better centers around as well. It's not just a one sided picture like you're painting.

As far as the clutch thing goes...again, you obviously don't follow the lakers enough. Last year, for instance, we were +116 in the fourth quarter with Pau in throughout the season. He was averaging almost 4 points, better than two boards, and making 82% of his free throws. Thats when he wasn't riding the bench because Phil decided to sit the starters in blowouts. Who was the one picking up slack whenever Kobe had a bad night? Pau. You need to watch a LOT more Laker basketball before you say one of the best players on our team isn't tough, strong, or chokes in late game situation. The exact opposite is true in all three of those examples. I realize he's had some meltdowns in the fourth, just like the rest of the great players in the NBA. I think you're letting your recollection of the Heat game cloud your judgment.

Missouribronc
03-13-2011, 04:16 PM
No, you have no idea.

I posted both of their stats earlier in this thread. You're welcome to re-post them again.

Dude...just admit that you're wrong and get on with it. No need to keep dragging this out. I'm not intending to pimp slap you up and down this thread, but you just keep popping up and asking for it. ;D

I just posted them. Marion is clearly NOT a superior statistical player to Pippen, and we don't even have the luxury of Marion's 30s yet...that ought to get interesting, like when he dips to 12, 5, .5 and .5.

Then your argument will REALLY hold weight, won't it...

RhymesayersDU
03-13-2011, 04:20 PM
Epic LOL @ Shawn Marion being anywhere close to Scottie Pippen in any category.

Shawn Marion got rich off a few good years in a D'Antoni system on a good team. Ever since he's left that system he's been a mediocre-at-best player.

epicSocialism4tw
03-13-2011, 04:22 PM
"Gasol isnt necessarily tough or strong, but he doesnt have to be...he's the finess player.

If the Lakers had to depend more on Gasol, I'd be worried for them. He tends to choke in late game situations"

Thiswas youroriginal statement.

I don't blame you for not staying up on Lakers games, because you're a Mavs fan. But please, don't make generalizations like this without knowing your ****. FIRST OFF, Gasol is tough AND strong. He's played in EVERY playoff game since coming to the Gold and Purple, and has matched up well against Howard, Bogut, Kaman, Horford...outsized by all but still holding his own as a true power forward. He averaged double doubles while filling in for the oft injured Bynum. Yes, he's skinny and gets pushed around sometimes, but he also a very strong 7 footer that moves some of the better centers around as well. It's not just a one sided picture like you're painting.

I never said that he wasnt a good player who can get things done, because he obviously is a very good player with alot of offensive skill who has done alot for the Lakers. I said that he wasnt clutch. You must have picked over my post for the one thing I said that could be perceived as negative about Gasol and the Lakers because I was quite effusive in praise. Maybe you are being a little oversensitive?


I realize he's had some meltdowns in the fourth, just like the rest of the great players in the NBA. I think you're letting your recollection of the Heat game cloud your judgment

This has nothing to do with the Heat game, which I saw neither of. It has to do with years of history both in Memphis and in LA.

There's no reason to be so defensive. You yourself admit that Gasol has melt downs in the fourth quarter.

Every player on the Lakers isnt the best player ever. The strength of the Lakers is that they have quality at every position. They are immense in the front court with Bynum and Artest in terms of strenght and toughness. They are skilled in the post with Gasol. On top of that they have the best closer in the game in Bryant, and the Robert Horry of point guards in Derek Fisher. Not to mention you have a guy off the bench who can play and guard 3 positions.

Just because Gasol isnt clutch doesnt mean that I'm bagging on your Lakers. I have been effusive with praise for the Lakers throughout this whole thread.

epicSocialism4tw
03-13-2011, 04:28 PM
Epic LOL @ Shawn Marion being anywhere close to Scottie Pippen in any category.

Shawn Marion got rich off a few good years in a D'Antoni system on a good team. Ever since he's left that system he's been a mediocre-at-best player.

:rofl:

Laughable.

Marions stats dont look any different before D'Antoni than they did during D'Antoni. By the time Marion left, he was getting older and on a natural decline. The idea that Marion was a creation of D'Antoni is ridiculous and is not supported by any information. Its a typical half-educated brain fart by people who pay more attention to who's on sportscenter than they do the box scores.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/shawn_marion/career_stats.html

Boobs McGee
03-13-2011, 04:45 PM
I never said that he wasnt a good player who can get things done, because he obviously is a very good player with alot of offensive skill who has done alot for the Lakers. I said that he wasnt clutch. You must have picked over my post for the one thing I said that could be perceived as negative about Gasol and the Lakers because I was quite effusive in praise. Maybe you are being a little oversensitive?




This has nothing to do with the Heat game, which I saw neither of. It has to do with years of history both in Memphis and in LA.

There's no reason to be so defensive. You yourself admit that Gasol has melt downs in the fourth quarter.

Every player on the Lakers isnt the best player ever. The strength of the Lakers is that they have quality at every position. They are immense in the front court with Bynum and Artest in terms of strenght and toughness. They are skilled in the post with Gasol. On top of that they have the best closer in the game in Bryant, and the Robert Horry of point guards in Derek Fisher. Not to mention you have a guy off the bench who can play and guard 3 positions.

Just because Gasol isnt clutch doesnt mean that I'm bagging on your Lakers. I have been effusive with praise for the Lakers throughout this whole thread.

I'm responding to the same parts I responded to originally, where you stated that 1. Paul gasol isn't tough or strong and 2. that you'd be worried for the Lakers if they had to rely on him in late game situations because he chokes.

I'm not mincing words or being defensive, and I'm glad that you're heaping praise upon my team because you should. They're the defending champs and the best team in the league.

Where I'm arguing with you, are your allegations that I'll once again mention.

1. Not tough and strong.
2. You'd be worried for the Lakers if they had to rely on Pau, because he chokes in late game situations.

You're remembering his days in Memphis, and that's fine. BUT, instead of looking at it as revisionists history, take a look at what he's done the last three years to dispel the critics. Obviously, the late game bs is out the window, as he hit a game winner to close out the Thunder two years ago, and dominated the Celtics in the finals in two separate games the most notable being Game 1...setting the tone for the series. If you think dominating in the fourth quarter of both a game 1 AND 7 of a Finals series isn't clutch, then we don't have common ground to stand on. As far as toughness and strength, as I said before he hasn't missed a playoff game since donning the Gold (toughness), and has been a dominant force inside against larger centers in the wake of 2 consecutive championships (strength).

Heap all the praise you want on the Lakers, but don't think I'm not going to call you out when you make irresponsible comments.

Not defensive at all, just amazed people still bag on the guy because of a rep he earned (deservedly so) in Memphis.

Missouribronc
03-13-2011, 04:48 PM
:rofl:

Laughable.

Marions stats dont look any different before D'Antoni than they did during D'Antoni. By the time Marion left, he was getting older and on a natural decline. The idea that Marion was a creation of D'Antoni is ridiculous and is not supported by any information. Its a typical half-educated brain fart by people who pay more attention to who's on sportscenter than they do the box scores.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/shawn_marion/career_stats.html

And you're comparing it to a player who didn't trail off until his late 30s vs a player who is trailing off in his late 20s and then suggesting they are similar players.

Are you aware that Marion is only 32 right now, not three years ago when he left Phoenix? Pippen didn't trail off until late in his career, like LATE 30s, not early, like Marion.

epicSocialism4tw
03-13-2011, 04:54 PM
1. Not tough and strong.

Gasol is not tough, and not necessarily strong. He's good because he's crafty and he has good footwork...similar to how Ryan Clady is good. He's good because he makes good cuts and plays well with his back to the basket. He's strong enough to hold his base against most players, but he's not strong enough to back a player into the low post like Bynum does.

Gasol is also one of the whiniest players in the league this side of Tim Duncan. Not a trait of toughness.

2. You'd be worried for the Lakers if they had to rely on Pau, because he chokes in late game situations.

Yes. No doubt about this one. If Gasol was depended on to win games for the Lakers down the stretch, if the ball was put in his hands and he was the player forced to make a play, I'd rather have the ball in LeBron James' hands. Gasol has never developed the reputation as a player who makes decisive plays down the stretch of close games.


You're remembering his days in Memphis, and that's fine. BUT, instead of looking at it as revisionists history, take a look at what he's done the last three years to dispel the critics. Obviously, the late game bs is out the window, as he hit a game winner to close out the Thunder two years ago, and dominated the Celtics in the finals in two separate games the most notable being Game 1...setting the tone for the series. If you think dominating in the fourth quarter of both a game 1 AND 7 of a Finals series isn't clutch, then we don't have common ground to stand on. As far as toughness and strength, as I said before he hasn't missed a playoff game since donning the Gold (toughness), and has been a dominant force inside against larger centers in the wake of 2 consecutive championships (strength).

Heap all the praise you want on the Lakers, but don't think I'm not going to call you out when you make irresponsible comments.

Not defensive at all, just amazed people still bag on the guy because of a rep he earned (deservedly so) in Memphis.

I used the Memphis example because its definitive evidence as to what Pau Gasol looks like when he is depended on to make decisive plays down the stretch to win games.

Do you know what Gasol's record was with Memphis in the playoffs? 0-12. Thats right. Not a single win.

If that doesnt prove to you that Gasol struggles when he is depended on to come through to win games, then you arent being honest with yourself.

epicSocialism4tw
03-13-2011, 04:56 PM
And you're comparing it to a player who didn't trail off until his late 30s vs a player who is trailing off in his late 20s and then suggesting they are similar players.

Are you aware that Marion is only 32 right now, not three years ago when he left Phoenix? Pippen didn't trail off until late in his career, like LATE 30s, not early, like Marion.

Nobody raised a point about when one or the other player trailed off.

Not sure what you're trying to say there. I never said that Pippen wasnt a better player than Marion.

You guys should really look for a little nuance before your brains explode.

OrangeSe7en
03-13-2011, 04:57 PM
The Bulls are tied with the Celtics in the East...for a day at least.

Missouribronc
03-13-2011, 05:07 PM
Nobody raised a point about when one or the other player trailed off.

Not sure what you're trying to say there. I never said that Pippen wasnt a better player than Marion.

You guys should really look for a little nuance before your brains explode.

Do you read what you, yourself write?

By the time Marion left, he was getting older and on a natural decline.

Boobs McGee
03-13-2011, 05:08 PM
Gasol is not tough, and not necessarily strong. He's good because he's crafty and he has good footwork...similar to how Ryan Clady is good. He's good because he makes good cuts and plays well with his back to the basket. He's strong enough to hold his base against most players, but he's not strong enough to back a player into the low post like Bynum does.

Gasol is also one of the whiniest players in the league this side of Tim Duncan. Not a trait of toughness.



Yes. No doubt about this one. If Gasol was depended on to win games for the Lakers down the stretch, if the ball was put in his hands and he was the player forced to make a play, I'd rather have the ball in LeBron James' hands. Gasol has never developed the reputation as a player who makes decisive plays down the stretch of close games.




I used the Memphis example because its definitive evidence as to what Pau Gasol looks like when he is depended on to make decisive plays down the stretch to win games.

Do you know what Gasol's record was with Memphis in the playoffs? 0-12. Thats right. Not a single win.

If that doesnt prove to you that Gasol struggles when he is depended on to come through to win games, then you arent being honest with yourself.



Ok, I'm not going to discuss this any further with you. You're not willing to concede points that are clearly factual. And say whatever you'd like, but I and the rest of everyone on this site know that you're incapable of being wrong when it comes to basketball. Drammallama, I SINCERELY thought you were changing! You were starting to give credit from a nonobjective standpoint, and actually had some decent takes. Where did that guy go? At least you've stopped sucking dirks dong so much.

Here's to seeing a Lakeshow/Nuggies matchup (my two fav teams would be an EXCELLENT battle once again, and I'm fairly confident the new look Nuggs would give us a run for the money...six or seven games imo) , a Lakeshow/Mavs playoff matchup, or finally a Lakers/Spurs defense-off.

And Llama, let me just tell you, it's okay to be wrong sometimes. Try and admit it once in a while, or else you'll turn into jhns.

Good luck to everyone else in here, I'm out until the playoffs!!!!

Go Lakeshow! Go Nuggets! **** Dirk!

;D

epicSocialism4tw
03-13-2011, 06:21 PM
Do you read what you, yourself write?

Ha!

You're off-the-wall ADD, dude.

I was talking about Marion in D'Antoni's system, addressing a point another poster raised...NOT about how Marion's and Pippen's career arcs line up.

epicSocialism4tw
03-13-2011, 06:25 PM
Ok, I'm not going to discuss this any further with you. You're not willing to concede points that are clearly factual. And say whatever you'd like, but I and the rest of everyone on this site know that you're incapable of being wrong when it comes to basketball. Drammallama, I SINCERELY thought you were changing! You were starting to give credit from a nonobjective standpoint, and actually had some decent takes. Where did that guy go? At least you've stopped sucking dirks dong so much.

Sorry, guy, but you didnt raise any factual points at all. You just made assertions. Not once did you bring forth any factual data that supported your argument.

Gasol is NOT a clutch player. Period. I provided you with plenty of material to show you how that is the case, but you still raise some magical premise out of thin air about how Gasol is magically different on the LA Lakers, and then you provided nothing but anecdotes to support your premise. I'm sorry, but you're just blinded by your bias. As you can clearly see, I have no dog in the hunt. I'm neither a Laker fan or a Laker hater. I'm just telling you like it is. You just dont want to hear it.

Missouribronc
03-13-2011, 07:26 PM
Ha!

You're off-the-wall ADD, dude.

I was talking about Marion in D'Antoni's system, addressing a point another poster raised...NOT about how Marion's and Pippen's career arcs line up.

LOL.

Fail.

maven
03-13-2011, 08:11 PM
Simmons with some great takes on the Heat today:


http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/110311&sportCat=nba

That's a great point that Miami get's other teams' best almost every night. Other than the Lakers for some reason.

"And that's what this Miami season has been -- a four-month-long comeuppance, a vindication that you can't stack your team without thinking it through, that role players matter, that coaching matters, that even the most talented basketball teams need a pecking order. Miami tried to cheat the system. It didn't work. Teams came roaring at them for four straight months -- night after night, a bull's-eye draped on their backs that never went away -- and, eventually, Miami started to wear down. It's possible to play playoff games for nine straight months, but only with a deep team. You can't do it with three guys."

A rational fan realized weaknesses in the team after signing the big 3.

Coaching? That's on Riley. He been grooming Spo for years.

Cheaters? They were free agents. While you may not like their decision, it was their decision to make.

Teams show up to play the Heat. No question about it.

The Heat are wearing down? They beat the Lakers and crushed the Grizz.

The Heat are enemy #1. Unless you're a heat fan or are fond of the team, everybody hates them. Everybody wants to write the Heat story and call them failures, yet the season isn't finished and the playoffs haven't even started.

JMO, I think the Heat will win it all.

TDmvp
03-13-2011, 08:22 PM
the big 3.




http://www.heyahey.com/images/copyright_symbol_large1.gif
http://blogs.sohh.com/sports/big3.jpg
:poke::poke::poke:
Hilarious!Hilarious!Hilarious!

maven
03-13-2011, 08:26 PM
http://www.heyahey.com/images/copyright_symbol_large1.gif
http://blogs.sohh.com/sports/big3.jpg
:poke::poke::poke:
Hilarious!Hilarious!Hilarious!

We'll see when/if they meet.

;D

TDmvp
03-13-2011, 08:32 PM
We'll see when/if they meet.

;D



Yea no doubt , they might not face each other with the Bulls playing like they are. One of our teams might get knocked off by them.


Shocked they are playing as well as they are... Rose has been a freak.
I hate the Bulls tho. Held over hate from the Jordan years.

OrangeSe7en
03-14-2011, 12:39 AM
"And that's what this Miami season has been -- a four-month-long comeuppance, a vindication that you can't stack your team without thinking it through, that role players matter, that coaching matters, that even the most talented basketball teams need a pecking order. Miami tried to cheat the system. It didn't work. Teams came roaring at them for four straight months -- night after night, a bull's-eye draped on their backs that never went away -- and, eventually, Miami started to wear down. It's possible to play playoff games for nine straight months, but only with a deep team. You can't do it with three guys."

A rational fan realized weaknesses in the team after signing the big 3.

Coaching? That's on Riley. He been grooming Spo for years.

Cheaters? They were free agents. While you may not like their decision, it was their decision to make.

Teams show up to play the Heat. No question about it.

The Heat are wearing down? They beat the Lakers and crushed the Grizz.

The Heat are enemy #1. Unless you're a heat fan or are fond of the team, everybody hates them. Everybody wants to write the Heat story and call them failures, yet the season isn't finished and the playoffs haven't even started.

JMO, I think the Heat will win it all.

The Heat are going to need to find a way to execute a half court offense. If they don't its going to be a struggle getting past Boston, Chicago, and possibly San Antonio.

cutthemdown
03-14-2011, 12:44 AM
The key for the Lakers will be Bynum this playoffs I think. If he plays big, grabs 15 boards a game, Lakers probably win.

OrangeSe7en
03-14-2011, 12:59 AM
The key for the Lakers will be Bynum this playoffs I think. If he plays big, grabs 15 boards a game, Lakers probably win.

I don't think its that simple. San Antonio has been killing it from 3 all season for the most part. If SA is hitting from three, that series could be a real bloodbath.

One series that Id kind of like to see is Denver-LA. LA is one of the older teams, especially at PG and Denver has two PGs that can and do really push tempo. LA has a big size advantage but age and wear and tear could work against LA if Denver pushes tempo the way it can.

epicSocialism4tw
03-14-2011, 01:33 AM
The key for the Lakers will be Bynum this playoffs I think. If he plays big, grabs 15 boards a game, Lakers probably win.

Yeah, you're right on that one.

epicSocialism4tw
03-14-2011, 01:34 AM
I don't think its that simple. San Antonio has been killing it from 3 all season for the most part. If SA is hitting from three, that series could be a real bloodbath.

One series that Id kind of like to see is Denver-LA. LA is one of the older teams, especially at PG and Denver has two PGs that can and do really push tempo. LA has a big size advantage but age and wear and tear could work against LA if Denver pushes tempo the way it can.

San Antonio arent to be worried about. Duncan is a shell of his former self. Matt Bonner and Gary Neal just arent going to get it done in the playoffs. Teams that rely on 3-point shooting dont last long. I wouldnt be surprised at all if the Thunder took them down in round 2.

cutthemdown
03-14-2011, 01:48 AM
I think it's good Lakers sort of not feared going into playoffs. People have to understand shooting the basketball in the regular season, and doing it in the playoffs are not the same thing. Lakers have a ton of experience, Kobe Bryant, size, Phil Jackson etc etc. It's true they haven't been as good in the regular season but they are still favorites over San Antonio to go to the finals.

cutthemdown
03-14-2011, 01:49 AM
I don't think its that simple. San Antonio has been killing it from 3 all season for the most part. If SA is hitting from three, that series could be a real bloodbath.

One series that Id kind of like to see is Denver-LA. LA is one of the older teams, especially at PG and Denver has two PGs that can and do really push tempo. LA has a big size advantage but age and wear and tear could work against LA if Denver pushes tempo the way it can.

Yeah Lakers would like to see that also. They may lose 1-2 games tops in that series. More then likely 1 or 0.

epicSocialism4tw
03-14-2011, 02:04 AM
I think it's good Lakers sort of not feared going into playoffs. People have to understand shooting the basketball in the regular season, and doing it in the playoffs are not the same thing. Lakers have a ton of experience, Kobe Bryant, size, Phil Jackson etc etc. It's true they haven't been as good in the regular season but they are still favorites over San Antonio to go to the finals.

I'd say that Dallas is much more capable of challenging LA than San Antonio.

I dont think that you can say that the Lakers arent feared going into the playoffs. They have won two championships in a row. People out east may be hypnotized by the LeBrick trainwreck, but the Lakers have been the team to beat in the west since day one.

OrangeSe7en
03-14-2011, 02:17 AM
San Antonio arent to be worried about. Duncan is a shell of his former self. Matt Bonner and Gary Neal just arent going to get it done in the playoffs. Teams that rely on 3-point shooting dont last long. I wouldnt be surprised at all if the Thunder took them down in round 2.

You might be right about Bonner and Neal. But then again, they shot well longer than I expected them. Through a big chunk of the season, SA has been knocking them down.

The other thing about San Antonio is that they can play defense and they have a fast PG that can penetrate, which is something Fisher has had fits with.

Based on the 9 or so games since the All Star break, I agree the Lakers look stronger but thats a relatively small sample size compared to the span of time San Antonio has been playing well.

OrangeSe7en
03-14-2011, 02:21 AM
Yeah Lakers would like to see that also. They may lose 1-2 games tops in that series. More then likely 1 or 0.

You might be right. Im just not ready to disregard the Spurs because of a 9 game sample size of LA playing well. Id also be reluctant to assume that one blowout loss to the Lakers means the previous 60 something games mean nothing.

I agree though that the Lakers are contenders.

epicSocialism4tw
03-14-2011, 02:32 AM
You might be right about Bonner and Neal. But then again, they shot well longer than I expected them. Through a big chunk of the season, SA has been knocking them down.

The other thing about San Antonio is that they can play defense and they have a fast PG that can penetrate, which is something Fisher has had fits with.

Based on the 9 or so games since the All Star break, I agree the Lakers look stronger but thats a relatively small sample size compared to the span of time San Antonio has been playing well.

San Antonio is no longer a good defensive team. Those days are gone.

Parker is a problem though. He's the best player on the Spurs by a pretty good margin.

RhymesayersDU
03-14-2011, 08:20 PM
Nice win by the Nuggies tonight. Not the best 4th quarter, but it was a road win against a team that was only 1 game behind us in the playoff race. Good start to the road trip, hopefully we can get 1 more (at least, of course) before coming home. Rough stretch of Atlanta/Orlando/Miami this week.

maven
03-14-2011, 08:24 PM
Heat are up 28 points vs the Spurs.

Missouribronc
03-14-2011, 08:25 PM
Heat are up 28 points vs the Spurs.

LeChoke strikes again!

maven
03-14-2011, 08:34 PM
LeChoke strikes again!

Team is coming together. Had some adversity recently, but the team is coming together.

Good luck stopping Wade & Lebron in the playoffs.

8')

vancejohnson82
03-14-2011, 08:42 PM
Nets got 5 in a row

spdirty
03-15-2011, 06:57 PM
LOL http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_17619279

Inkana7
03-16-2011, 12:45 PM
Just a note that with their loss to Portland last night, the "not soft" Mavs have been leapfrogged by LA for the 2nd Seed in the West.

RhymesayersDU
03-16-2011, 07:14 PM
Nuggies 2 minutes and change away from a 2-0 start to the road trip. Couldn't have played this better, because I'm expecting L's to the Magic and Heat this week. Going .500 for this road trip is a success IMO, but if they can get a win in Florida that'd be fantastic as well.

Gutless Drunk
03-16-2011, 07:17 PM
28209


They're a nuggernaut. 9-2 since the trade

cutthemdown
03-16-2011, 07:26 PM
It will be the Nuggets struggles on the road that kill them in any long series IMO.

Missouribronc
03-16-2011, 08:06 PM
It will be the Nuggets struggles on the road that kill them in any long series IMO.

Its hard to tell what this team will do in the playoffs based on regular season performances.

The team, post trade, is 4-2 on the road now, and 3-1 on the road against teams who would be in the playoffs if the season ended today.

Hard to tell, really, what a team that has, literally, 3 new starters on offense with just 25 games to play together, and with new role-players coming off the bench, will play like in the playoffs.

I certainly think these first 11 games are somewhat adrenaline, but I think the Nuggets could win a series, especially if they can get into the 4-seed, but they are three back of that right now, and Oklahoma City is dangerous, because Durant could take over ball games. The Nuggets now do not have that player, if they get into trouble, and ultimately, that's the problem.

Maybe J.R. Smith, but he's just not disciplined enough to do that.

Requiem
03-16-2011, 08:15 PM
Don't watch much NBA outside when I can see the Magic, but what has gotten into the Nuggets post-Carmelo?

Seems like they're "winning" and got "tiger blood."

Missouribronc
03-16-2011, 08:21 PM
Don't watch much NBA outside when I can see the Magic, but what has gotten into the Nuggets post-Carmelo?

Seems like they're "winning" and got "tiger blood."

They are getting their nightly dose of "charlie sheen."

TonyR
03-16-2011, 08:21 PM
...Durant could take over ball games. The Nuggets now do not have that player, if they get into trouble, and ultimately, that's the problem.

Yup, my concern as well. No go to guy that you need in big spots in the playoffs.

bombay
03-16-2011, 09:46 PM
Hansbrough is now an elite scorer. Probably an elite rebounder (for his position) too. Unfortunate he doesn't get to play against marshmelo every night.

bombay
03-16-2011, 09:48 PM
The Nuggets two-headed point guard is as dangerous a weapon as exists in the league. Of course, the name recognition isn't there, so those who count on the 4 letter network for their information and opinions won't have noticed this. Or the fact that Nene increasingly is an 'elite' player.

epicSocialism4tw
03-16-2011, 10:14 PM
Hansbrough is now an elite scorer. Probably an elite rebounder (for his position) too. Unfortunate he doesn't get to play against marshmelo every night.

Um. Psycho T is an improved player, but you may want to re-think that whole "elite scorer" bit.

Check this out...

Kevin Durant
Kobe Bryant
Dwyane Wade
Dirk Nowitzki
LeBron James
Derek Rose
Carmelo Anthony
Tyler Hansborough
Amare Stoudemire

"One of these things is not like the others, one of these things just doesnt belong..."

Inkana7
03-16-2011, 10:17 PM
Oh, and lol heat

epicSocialism4tw
03-16-2011, 10:22 PM
Oh, and lol heat

Get ready because this year, Durant will be an uncontrollable force in the playoffs. I think he'll be the best player in the league this playoff season.

If they meet up with the Spurs in round two, I expect Durant to dominate that series.

spdirty
03-16-2011, 10:22 PM
Damnit! Was stuck in the airport and couldn't watch the latest road beatdown of a plus .500 team. Gonna have to wait till Friday I guess.

RhymesayersDU
03-18-2011, 07:38 PM
Well, incredible shot by Jameer. I mean... I'm going to go Ron Burgundy here: "I'm not even mad, that's amazing."

Only got home in time to see the 4th quarter, but that was pretty entertaining. Nice to see Gallo back on the court.

Back to NCAA!

spdirty
03-19-2011, 12:29 AM
Is tomorrows game against Miami gonna be on Nat'l TV?

Karenin
03-19-2011, 07:56 AM
If only there were some sort of "Integrated Network" or "Internet" that you could plug your question into and have an answer in <30 seconds. What a great world that would be.

RhymesayersDU
03-20-2011, 01:40 PM
In the true spirit of piling on... Ouch.

SoCalBronco
03-22-2011, 11:06 PM
Chicago has won its last two games by a combined 73 points. Pretty scary. I'm trying to see how this team is going to lose 4 games in a 7 game series with that defense and I'm not seeing it.

Boobs McGee
03-23-2011, 12:03 AM
Rose is absolute beast mode

epicSocialism4tw
03-23-2011, 12:09 AM
Rose is absolute beast mode

Forget LeBrick and Dwyheelchair Wade, Rose and Durant are the two guys to watch for.

Jason in LA
03-23-2011, 12:30 AM
Lakers. Suns. Wow!

You won't find anything like that in that dinky little NCAA tournament.

OBF1
03-23-2011, 12:32 AM
Triple OT. I am only glad they won. With Bynum back on Friday, should make things a bit easier for them.

Boobs McGee
03-23-2011, 12:57 AM
Forget LeBrick and Dwyheelchair Wade, Rose and Durant are the two guys to watch for.

wholeheartedly agree. They make it look so easy, it's almost graceful. Rose is redonculous, but Durant's size makes him even more stupefying. His quickness for his height is out of this world

ZONA
03-23-2011, 03:47 AM
Lakers. Suns. Wow!

You won't find anything like that in that dinky little NCAA tournament.

I wanted to watch the game and did my best but TNT HD feed was the worst I've seen on TV ever. I fast forwarded (got Tivo) through almost 3 full quarters in all of hazing and screen jibberish. I think out of that entire game I actually got to see 5 minutes of basketball. Sucks, looks like it was a good game too.

I haven't watched much ball lately, been busy with work stuff but heard on the radio the other day Bynum was suspended for a few games. They said it was a hard foul and he didn't make a play on the ball but they didn't think he had bad intentions in mind. What little I did see of that game tonight they showed a small clip of that foul and holy crap, that was some BS right there. That would have made any MMA fighter proud, a flying elbow to the chest. Dude probably should have gotten suspended for 4 games that nonsense.



..........and I still think Rondo is an immature ass clown. Dude's a tool. :thumbsup:

RhymesayersDU
03-23-2011, 05:59 AM
Nuggies/Spurs tonight, with no Timmy D playing. Go team go.

Jason in LA
03-23-2011, 07:08 AM
Triple OT. I am only glad they won. With Bynum back on Friday, should make things a bit easier for them.

Yeah, there was no defense that game. They missed Bynum.

spdirty
03-23-2011, 11:22 PM
Big win tonight.

Boobs McGee
03-24-2011, 12:18 AM
Yeah, there was no defense that game. They missed Bynum.

I'm so glad he's finally contributing as planned...missing him really shows how much we've come to depend on his skills this year

Boobs McGee
03-24-2011, 12:22 AM
Big win tonight.

Huge win. That first half was nucking futz! Ginobili and Neal were absolutely lighting up fools from the arc. Personally, I thought the spurs looked a LOT more dangerous minus timmay. You guys never quit, helluva show, and JR is straight ballin on some of those crossover pullback jumpers. Very cool. AND, gallinari (sp?) looks really good running the floor for a bigger guy. He's like a bigger, more talented, kleiza 2.0 haha. nice win tonight !

bombay
03-24-2011, 04:22 PM
Hard to believe that when McDyess fouled out last night with about 20 seconds left in the game, he was the first Spur to foul out this year.

RhymesayersDU
03-24-2011, 07:36 PM
Really liked what I saw with the Nuggs last night. There were numerous times throughout the game where I thought to myself "well, this game is over" and the boys kept fighting and proved me wrong.

Go team go, can't wait for the post-tax season roadie up to Denver for the playoffs.

Soul-Bronco
03-24-2011, 07:44 PM
Ill say this now and ive said it before during the times of adversity when everyone wanted to drive them into the ground.....

I will put my money on and take the Heat vs anyone in a series. Stopping that trio is nearly impossible 4 straight times

TDmvp
03-24-2011, 08:31 PM
Ill say this now and ive said it before during the times of adversity when everyone wanted to drive them into the ground.....

I will put my money on and take the Heat vs anyone in a series. Stopping that trio isnt nearly impossible 4 straight times

Hilarious!Hilarious!Hilarious!Hilarious!

You are right , stopping that trio isn't impossible .

http://4sqbb.com/wp-content/uploads/nba_celtics.png

Beantown Bronco
03-24-2011, 08:32 PM
I will put my money on and take the Heat vs anyone in a series. Stopping that trio isnt nearly impossible 4 straight times

Classic.

TDmvp
03-24-2011, 08:42 PM
Classic.

http://www.psychoticresumes.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/epicfailkeyboard.jpg
even ...

Soul-Bronco
03-24-2011, 08:52 PM
http://www.psychoticresumes.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/epicfailkeyboard.jpg
even ...

I know you all are heat haterz but dont speak so soon guys, we will see how it all plays out.

And as for the celtics, yea they looked great the first half of the year while their wheelchair wheels were still greased, lets see how it looks when age kicks in

Soul-Bronco
03-24-2011, 08:57 PM
Classic.

yea a typo is classic, you've never made that mistake before.......

TDmvp
03-24-2011, 09:02 PM
I know you all are heat haterz but dont speak so soon guys, we will see how it all plays out.

And as for the celtics, yea they looked great the first half of the year while their wheelchair wheels were still greased, lets see how it looks when age kicks in



Still stunned they moved Perk , but I guess they knew they wasn't going to be able to keep him...

Soul-Bronco
03-24-2011, 09:08 PM
Still stunned they moved Perk , but I guess they knew they wasn't going to be able to keep him...

Im not so sure, reports comming out of boston were that both he and the team were devastated by the news......

but that completely changes that team and takes away a clear cut advantage they had over the Heat, size. It will be a different series without him.

Plus udonis haslem is quietly rehabbing and getting ready for the playoffs, i know he wont get very many minutes at first but his rebounding and physicality on the court is severely missed.

Boobs McGee
03-25-2011, 02:17 PM
Hey nuggies fans....I've got some sweet tix for the game tonight if anyone's interested, my buddy can't go

2 tix
sec 230
row 1
seat 9 & 10

Parking pass
Each ticket has $30 worth of food/drink per (beer, nachos, whatever)

Pretty badass seats, right about half court, first row of club level. They both have a face value of $130 (edit: each ticket is $130 face)

He's selling for $225 for the pair, the pass, and the food. lemme know!

Jason in LA
03-26-2011, 09:24 AM
Ill say this now and ive said it before during the times of adversity when everyone wanted to drive them into the ground.....

I will put my money on and take the Heat vs anyone in a series. Stopping that trio is nearly impossible 4 straight times

At first I thought I was having a reading problem. Glad to know the issue wasn't on my end. ;D

Anyway, how would you know that it is impossible to stop that trio in a series when they have never played together in a series?

The Bulls and Celtics have had their way with that team.

Right now the Lakers are dialed in, and it's going to be hard for any team to beat them in a series. I can say that because they are back to back champions. They are proven. The Heat did beat them twice this year, but so did the Magic two years ago, and how did that turn out for them?

RhymesayersDU
03-26-2011, 09:58 AM
With the Lakers specifically you can't apply regular season games to playoff success. Last year or two years ago they were swept by the Bobcats of all teams.

SoCalBronco
03-26-2011, 08:54 PM
D Rose...30 points 17 assists. Chicago's defense just locked Milwaukee down in the 4th quarter.

cutthemdown
03-27-2011, 02:54 AM
With Bynum crashing the boards and moving so fluidly the Lakers are peaking. It really makes them tough to matchup with when both 7 footers are playing there game.

Soul-Bronco
03-27-2011, 08:10 PM
At first I thought I was having a reading problem. Glad to know the issue wasn't on my end. ;D

Anyway, how would you know that it is impossible to stop that trio in a series when they have never played together in a series?

The Bulls and Celtics have had their way with that team.

Right now the Lakers are dialed in, and it's going to be hard for any team to beat them in a series. I can say that because they are back to back champions. They are proven. The Heat did beat them twice this year, but so did the Magic two years ago, and how did that turn out for them?

Ok, let me get this straight, you first claim the heat will lose to the bulls or celtics in the playoffs because they got blown out by them in the regular season ( both of which were single digit losses, especially the last bulls game in Miami which I was at, and lebron took a horrible shot)………

Then you claim the lakers wont be beat in a series vs the heat even though we beat them twice already during the regular season………….

Nice spin dude, bias is a helluva thing

Missouribronc
03-27-2011, 08:17 PM
Nice spin dude, bias is a helluva thing

I love the "bias-monsters."

Anyone who says anything about their favorite team that doesn't subscribe to them winning is "bias."

Sorry...just find it funny.

RhymesayersDU
03-27-2011, 08:31 PM
Look, I generally hate Laker fans and their "we rule, the rest of you suck" attitude, BUT the Lakers have proved on numerous occasions that any regular season losses have no bearing on their playoff success.

I'm not saying the Heat won't be a contender. But they need to prove it. The Lakers do not.

maven
03-27-2011, 08:37 PM
The Bulls and Celtics have had their way with that team.

The Heat did beat them twice this year, but so did the Magic two years ago, and how did that turn out for them?

That is not true. The Heat didn't execute at the end.

The Heat are a way different team than the Magic. The Heat aren't built around a big man in the middle.

Soul-Bronco
03-27-2011, 08:55 PM
I love the "bias-monsters."

Anyone who says anything about their favorite team that doesn't subscribe to them winning is "bias."

Sorry...just find it funny.

dude, read his post, and hes from L.A.........yea bias monsters

Soul-Bronco
03-27-2011, 08:56 PM
Look, I generally hate Laker fans and their "we rule, the rest of you suck" attitude, BUT the Lakers have proved on numerous occasions that any regular season losses have no bearing on their playoff success.

I'm not saying the Heat won't be a contender. But they need to prove it. The Lakers do not.

i agree completely, lakers are the champs, they need to get past the thunder though, they are looking pretty tough

epicSocialism4tw
03-27-2011, 09:17 PM
That is not true. The Heat didn't execute at the end.

The Heat are a way different team than the Magic. The Heat aren't built around a big man in the middle.

They're built around a big moron instead.

maven
03-27-2011, 09:48 PM
Three players with 30 points, 10 boards.

Only second time in NBA history this has happened in regulation.

Jason in LA
03-27-2011, 10:03 PM
Three players with 30 points, 10 boards.

Only second time in NBA history this has happened in regulation.

That's great in all, but I don't think that worries the Lakers, Spurs, Mavs, Bulls, or Celtics.

maven
03-27-2011, 10:08 PM
That's great in all, but I don't think that worries the Lakers, Spurs, Mavs, Bulls, or Celtics.

If you like watching basketball, check out the Heat right now. They're fun to watch.

Jason in LA
03-27-2011, 10:35 PM
If you like watching basketball, check out the Heat right now. They're fun to watch.

I've watched them here and there this year. I always root for them to lose. It's fun.

strafen
03-27-2011, 10:38 PM
They're built around a big moron instead.

True dat!
lol! ROFL!

RhymesayersDU
03-31-2011, 07:55 PM
Coming down to the wire in the Association, a little under 2 weeks left in the season.

Nice win by the Nuggies last night. The first half effort was very poor, but I liked that they clawed back to win the game. Clearly, you shouldn't be losing to the Kings at home ever, but some nights you just aren't going to have it, the shots won't drop, etc.

They clamped down on D and played a tremendous second half. Good stuff.

epicSocialism4tw
03-31-2011, 09:55 PM
Coming down to the wire in the Association, a little under 2 weeks left in the season.

Nice win by the Nuggies last night. The first half effort was very poor, but I liked that they clawed back to win the game. Clearly, you shouldn't be losing to the Kings at home ever, but some nights you just aren't going to have it, the shots won't drop, etc.

They clamped down on D and played a tremendous second half. Good stuff.

Those nights that you arent hitting your shots, its defense that wins the games.

Thats why defensively-oriented teams traditionally have more success in the playoffs, where every posession is critical.

HAT
03-31-2011, 10:39 PM
Whatever. They don't look like a team that will be able to flip the switch come playooff time.

!Booya!

Boobs McGee
03-31-2011, 11:09 PM
HUGE game right now. Crazyness as well...4 players ejected, fans trying to rush onto the court...weird. very chippy calls on both teams. Playoff atmosphere for sure. Spurs are choking down the stretch, fun race to the end this year!

Ps bynum is beast mode tonight, so is lamar, and props to former nuggie Steve Blake for not takin any **** from that cheap ass Jason terry. Got RIGHT up in his face after that push.

24champ
03-31-2011, 11:20 PM
Look, I generally hate Laker fans and their "we rule, the rest of you suck" attitude, BUT the Lakers have proved on numerous occasions that any regular season losses have no bearing on their playoff success.

I'm not saying the Heat won't be a contender. But they need to prove it. The Lakers do not.


Yep, we rule, the rest of you suck! !Booya!

Lakers run the Mavs out of the gym tonight.

worm
03-31-2011, 11:46 PM
Good game by the Lake Show. They are ready for the real season to start.

The Mavs on the other hand are softer than Bob's ass.

cutthemdown
04-01-2011, 12:06 AM
Lakers are going to 3 peat!

cutthemdown
04-01-2011, 12:08 AM
No one wants to face the Lakers. The way the whole team is fired up is something other teams are totally bummed about. They thought maybe Lakers weren't as good as last yr. But they are even better.

It took some time but now that Bynums knee is better the dual 7 footers just too much for any team the lakers will face.

24champ
04-01-2011, 12:46 AM
Lakers are going to 3 peat!

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/ap/41/fullj.1f7fd401271ac4d7e59de1e55c880364/ap-15084108801c473c9e8ffc5d9d1f7554.jpg

BroncoMatt
04-01-2011, 03:48 AM
i agree completely, lakers are the champs, they need to get past the thunder though, they are looking pretty tough

the thunder will have to get past the nuggets first and that wont be easy

Boobs McGee
04-01-2011, 07:50 AM
No one wants to face the Lakers. The way the whole team is fired up is something other teams are totally bummed about. They thought maybe Lakers weren't as good as last yr. But they are even better.

It took some time but now that Bynums knee is better the dual 7 footers just too much for any team the lakers will face.

don't you mean TRIPLE 7 footers (Lamar and Ratliff are both 6'11"ish, so we can count them) :wiggle:

Boobs McGee
04-01-2011, 07:56 AM
the thunder will have to get past the nuggets first and that wont be easy

I'm really starting to get excited...the possibility is there for another WCF matchup!!!!

So many possibilities for the playoffs. Nuggies could play the Thunder, Mavs (if N.O. overtakes them), or possibly the Spurs if they keep choking. Right now, I think the nuggets could beat ANY of those teams in a series.

RhymesayersDU
04-01-2011, 08:05 AM
I'm as excited as anybody about the "Knuggets" but I think we're underrating these teams. Can the Nuggies play with them? Sure. But I don't see them beating any of them in a series. Not yet. But I love the direction the team is going.

Boobs McGee
04-01-2011, 09:51 AM
I dunno...if they play the spurs WITH Duncan, they can best them with youth and speed. Thunder and Mavs, if it turns into a shootout they matchup nicely with both teams. They have a legit shot imo

ohiobronco2
04-01-2011, 10:34 AM
I fvcking hate the Lakers. With that being said, I hate LeBron more, so go Lakers and everybody else who may cross paths with the Heat in the post season.

cutthemdown
04-01-2011, 11:06 AM
don't you mean TRIPLE 7 footers (Lamar and Ratliff are both 6'11"ish, so we can count them) :wiggle:

That is true. The Lakers are a big big team. They have size other teams only dream about. It's almost not fair!

Jason in LA
04-01-2011, 02:05 PM
It's a trip that the Spurs have a 2.5 game lead of the Lakers, but it seems like the Lakers are in the drivers seat for the No. 1 seed. The Lakers have one more game than the Spurs, so a win there makes up the .5. They play each other. If the Lakers win that game, in LA, now the Lakers are only a game back with the tiebreaker. The way the Spurs are playing they might lose a few games before the end of the season.

Willynowei
04-01-2011, 10:46 PM
Luke Walton has to be the worst basketball in the NBA who gets mentionable playing time. When he goes into ISO, you know the outcome before he puts the ball up.

Tombstone RJ
04-01-2011, 11:44 PM
Lakers are going to 3 peat!

I can't stand the lakers. If the nugz get a chance to play the lakefest in the playoffs, I hope the nugs play physical ball. I hope the nugz punch the lakers right in the guts, I wanna see how tuff the lakers really are...

TomServo
04-02-2011, 03:46 AM
my official nba thread: david thompson could have been best ever. or the best-top 5 ever. way up there with MJ. he could have been MJ Before MJ. he dunked and glided way before his time. and he was a nugget.....Before all this Carmello Anthony Crap.
Carmaello was maybe the 5th best nugget behind... david thompson, fat lever,kiki vanderwiegh,ALEX ENGLISH,

TomServo
04-02-2011, 03:48 AM
omg oyeah Fat Lever
that kid that shot all those 3's
and........ mAoud..rouf....sucked

TomServo
04-02-2011, 03:49 AM
we cheerded him and he Hated us

worm
04-02-2011, 10:30 AM
The Jazz were officially eliminated from the playoffs last night for only the 4th time in the last 29 years. They also became the first team in NBA history to start 15-5 and 27-13 and not make the playoffs.

There really should be no doubting Jerry Sloan's greatness. That front office should be ashamed of themselves for letting him resign.

gunns
04-02-2011, 10:50 AM
The Jazz were officially eliminated from the playoffs last night for only the 4th time in the last 29 years. They also became the first team in NBA history to start 15-5 and 27-13 and not make the playoffs.

There really should be no doubting Jerry Sloan's greatness. That front office should be ashamed of themselves for letting him resign.

You have got to be kidding me. They were on their downward spiral when Jerry was still there. They are missing Williams more than Sloan. The only thing I'll say in Sloan's favor is Corbin. Please. But that's Jazz management wherein all the problems lie.

Missouribronc
04-02-2011, 11:28 AM
You have got to be kidding me. They were on their downward spiral when Jerry was still there. They are missing Williams more than Sloan. The only thing I'll say in Sloan's favor is Corbin. Please. But that's Jazz management wherein all the problems lie.

Their moves make no sense at all. They traded for a 20-10 guy to solidify that front line a little more, and then out of no where decide to blow up the roster and invest in Devin Harris and Derek Favors. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

Jason in LA
04-02-2011, 01:42 PM
The Lakers control their destiny in the Western Conference. If they win out they'll have the No 1 seed. I'm not sure who wins the tie breaker between them and the Bulls if they meet in the NBA Finals. They split their two games this year. But if the Lakers win out and the Bulls lose one game, then the Lakers will have home court throughout the playoffs.

I get a kick out of people saying that nobody wants to play the Thunder in the playoffs. Yeah, what ever. Nobody wants to play the Lakers.

Willynowei
04-02-2011, 01:51 PM
Being physical is good, even reckless, but watch as this ugly oaf Fesenko first kicks his legs out as he fouls Bryant and then throws the ball at him. This is much worse than Karl Malone kicking out his legs during a shot to create space, and some call that dirty.

This is a big ugly oaf trying to cause injury to a vulnerable player caught in the air, if he caught both knees, Bryant would've fell on his head. Watch at :11 seconds, there's no other reason to kick out the right leg that hard. If the NBA gives Bynum a flagrant two for his foul, this should be no different, otherwise don't call flagrant twos at all and let Bynum hip check this ugly Ukranian **** while he's going up for a rebound for revenge. Either dont' call it and let the players get even with each other, or be consistent and kick this guy out for 2 games.

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What piece of ****.

Karenin
04-02-2011, 03:20 PM
Being physical is good, even reckless, but watch as this ugly oaf Fesenko first kicks his legs out as he fouls Bryant and then throws the ball at him. This is much worse than Karl Malone kicking out his legs during a shot to create space, and some call that dirty.

This is a big ugly oaf trying to cause injury to a vulnerable player caught in the air, if he caught both knees, Bryant would've fell on his head. Watch at :11 seconds, there's no other reason to kick out the right leg that hard. If the NBA gives Bynum a flagrant two for his foul, this should be no different, otherwise don't call flagrant twos at all and let Bynum hip check this ugly Ukranian **** while he's going up for a rebound for revenge. Either dont' call it and let the players get even with each other, or be consistent and kick this guy out for 2 games.

<iframe title="YouTube video player" width="640" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/BEtDCfDzXNg" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

What piece of ****.


That would've been ****ing awesome.

Jason in LA
04-03-2011, 11:30 AM
I'm watching the Spurs and Suns and a funny thought came to mind. The Spurs, who have a 1.5 game lead over the Lakers, need the Lakers to lose a game if they want the No. 1 seed.

The teams are really in a tie right now. The winner of their final game between each other wins the tie breaker.

gunns
04-03-2011, 12:23 PM
Being physical is good, even reckless, but watch as this ugly oaf Fesenko first kicks his legs out as he fouls Bryant and then throws the ball at him. This is much worse than Karl Malone kicking out his legs during a shot to create space, and some call that dirty.

This is a big ugly oaf trying to cause injury to a vulnerable player caught in the air, if he caught both knees, Bryant would've fell on his head. Watch at :11 seconds, there's no other reason to kick out the right leg that hard. If the NBA gives Bynum a flagrant two for his foul, this should be no different, otherwise don't call flagrant twos at all and let Bynum hip check this ugly Ukranian **** while he's going up for a rebound for revenge. Either dont' call it and let the players get even with each other, or be consistent and kick this guy out for 2 games.

<iframe title="YouTube video player" width="640" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/BEtDCfDzXNg" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

What piece of ****.

Oh, poor Kobe! :vermeil:

Yeah looked intentional to me, oh and terribly disabling. :crazy: