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maven
05-25-2011, 09:03 PM
I don't know what is gonna be worse, Maven gloating if the Heat win or Drama if the Mavs take it. Either way, it will be miserable for us.

You've seen the Heat. You've seen Dallas. We got this.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_CMcHumOySTE/TDaMyms_2iI/AAAAAAAAAik/BLgYOIX_nB8/s1600/LeBron%252BJames%252BHeat.jpg

Requiem
05-25-2011, 09:04 PM
I got the Heat in six.

vancejohnson82
05-25-2011, 09:05 PM
I got the Heat in six.

Second that.

Inkana7
05-25-2011, 09:20 PM
Dallas in 3. Before game 4, facing elimination, Bosh and LeBron decide to join a team in Spain in order to win a championship.

24champ
05-25-2011, 09:23 PM
I got the Heat in six.

Mavs in six.

maven
05-25-2011, 09:26 PM
Mavs in six.

Dallas in 3. Before game 4, facing elimination, Bosh and LeBron decide to join a team in Spain in order to win a championship.

LOL

Inkana7
05-25-2011, 09:30 PM
LOL

LOLLOLLOLLOL
Hilarious!Hilarious!Hilarious!Hilarious!Hilarious!

maven
05-25-2011, 09:32 PM
LOLLOLLOLLOL
Hilarious!Hilarious!Hilarious!Hilarious!Hilarious!

Good luck putting your hopes in that zone defense.

ROFL!

vancejohnson82
05-25-2011, 09:35 PM
Good luck putting your hopes in that zone defense.

ROFL!

and the Bulls are counted out

maven
05-25-2011, 09:39 PM
and the Bulls are counted out

Bulls aren't winning 3 straight.

ROFL!

NFLBRONCO
05-25-2011, 09:49 PM
heat in 4

bombay
05-25-2011, 10:02 PM
Total lack of interest. See you, NBA, in a couple of years.

epicSocialism4tw
05-25-2011, 10:18 PM
One for the old days, Suns fans!
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0471dNw0LM5QF/620x400.jpg

Matrix was fantastic in this game. That breakaway dunk with the foul to seal the game tonight should have made every 7 Seconds or Less fan smile a little.

epicSocialism4tw
05-25-2011, 10:28 PM
This Mavs team is alot of fun. There is alot of redemption tied up with these guys.

Jason Kidd drove the Nets to the finals twice, only to fall short to superior teams.

Marion was basically run out of town by the former Suns GM in a move that sealed the fate of the 7 Seconds or Less Suns. That team was a couple of good bounces and fair calls away from getting to the finals and probably winning a championship.

Peja Stojakovic was a major member of those great Sacramento Kings teams of the 2000's. He was also one of the victims of one of the biggest ref screw jobs in conference finals history when the Lakers beat them to make the finals. The Kings likely would have won it all that season.

Tyson Chandler was tossed aside by the OKC team that Dallas just beat.

Then there's Dirk and Terry. Those two guys have been part of many playoff successes and have been part of playoff disappointments including the 2006 finals where they felt they werent given a fair shake.

This team is full of redemption stories.

Hopefully there is a redemption ending!

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Rulon Velvet Jones
05-25-2011, 10:39 PM
Just got back. That was definitely one of the mostest funnestest sporting events I've ever been to.

Rulon Velvet Jones
05-25-2011, 10:42 PM
Always
Be
Closing

Rulon Velvet Jones
05-25-2011, 10:44 PM
Hoopdata wrap on the series:

http://www.hoopdata.com/blogengine/post/2011/05/26/Dallas-Wraps-Up-the-West.aspx

Rulon Velvet Jones
05-25-2011, 10:46 PM
F it. Let's go for 6000.

Rulon Velvet Jones
05-25-2011, 10:49 PM
I like basketball.

Rulon Velvet Jones
05-25-2011, 10:50 PM
This one's for you, Uwe:

http://img.fanbase.com/media.fanbase.com/8/15933/35c34b6d8250b6b58cc9b83229d04777a4c773ae.jpg?x=303&y=400&sig=1e3a0d3104e0ea9f6ad0e21ab2c7370f

Rulon Velvet Jones
05-25-2011, 10:51 PM
And you, Detlef:

http://www.slamonline.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/detlef_schrempf.jpg

Rulon Velvet Jones
05-25-2011, 10:51 PM
And this abomination:

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2008/12/27/gal_worst-teams-19.jpg

epicSocialism4tw
05-25-2011, 10:54 PM
Do it for Ced! Ha!

Rulon Velvet Jones
05-25-2011, 10:59 PM
Do it for Ced! Ha!

Doing it for Roy Tarpley's deviated septum.

24champ
05-25-2011, 11:13 PM
One for the old days, Suns fans!
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0471dNw0LM5QF/620x400.jpg

Matrix was fantastic in this game. That breakaway dunk with the foul to seal the game tonight should have made every 7 Seconds or Less fan smile a little.

Watched Marion when he was at UNLV, and a big fan of your assistant Tim Grg, who I've enjoyed talking with in Vegas and Denver. Super nice guy. Be nice to see Tim Grg get a ring and then join the Lakers. :approve:


@WojYahooNBA Mike Brown expected to make bid for well-regarded Dallas assistant Tim Grgurich to join Lakers staff, sources say. They're close friends

Bob's your Information Minister
05-25-2011, 11:15 PM
That three pointer by Dirk was the stuff of legends.

I got dust in my eye tonight.

http://i.imgur.com/7oYSP.gif

FYI, Marion's 26 were a season high.

And I am constantly in awe of Jason Kidd. That pass he made to Marion right before the Dirk 3 was so crafty. He knew it would get Dirk open. He sees things before they happen.

Rulon Velvet Jones
05-25-2011, 11:15 PM
Grgurich has been lurking all season but not much has been written about his presence. The players all love him and the coaches rave about him. It would suck to see him go but I hear there may be some financial roadblocks on LA's end.

Bob's your Information Minister
05-25-2011, 11:17 PM
Do it for Ced! Ha!

Do it for Popeye Mother****ing Jones and 13 wins a year.

Bob's your Information Minister
05-25-2011, 11:18 PM
One for the old days, Suns fans!
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0471dNw0LM5QF/620x400.jpg

Matrix was fantastic in this game. That breakaway dunk with the foul to seal the game tonight should have made every 7 Seconds or Less fan smile a little.

Marion on his dunk at the end, "I felt like the floor was trembling in there. It was so loud."

Bob's your Information Minister
05-25-2011, 11:18 PM
Unsung hero: Haywood :strong:

http://mavsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2011/05/brendan-haywood-has-been-working-with-a.html

Mavericks backup center Brendan Haywood was a different man at the free throw line in Game 5 against Oklahoma City. The worst free throw shooter in the NBA this season at 36.2 percent, Haywood made 5 of 6 free throw attempts in the Mavericks' four-point win.

Haywood said he's been working with shooting instructor Dave Hopla from Washington D.C. the last few days and he's helped Haywood improve his free throws. Hopla worked with Haywood before and helped him shoot 72 percent from the line.

"I put a lot of work in. I had my guy come back from D.C. to work with me and things have really worked well the last couple of games," Haywood said. "I'm feeling a little bit more confident up there."

epicSocialism4tw
05-25-2011, 11:22 PM
Doing it for Roy Tarpley's deviated septum.

Tarpley's septum isnt deviated...its dissolved.

epicSocialism4tw
05-25-2011, 11:24 PM
Marion on his dunk at the end, "I felt like the floor was trembling in there. It was so loud."

That was one of my top Mavs plays of this playoffs. How exciting was that? My girlfriend and I both stood up as he took off and she started jumping up and down and screaming when he dunked. It was fanstastic.

Bob's your Information Minister
05-25-2011, 11:25 PM
LeBron is having one hell of a playoff run.

.466, 25.9 PPG, 8.7 RPG, 5.4 APG

vs

Dirk

.516, 28.6 PPG, 7.4 RPG, 2.9 APG

You wanna hear a crazy stat?

Dirk is hitting 52 percent of his three pointers this postseason.

Bob's your Information Minister
05-25-2011, 11:26 PM
That was one of my top Mavs plays of this playoffs. How exciting was that? Ny girlfriend and I both stood up as he took off and she started jumping up and down and screaming when he dunked. It was fanstastic.

Go back and look at Terry on that play. He runs interference on Durant to let Marion dunk it clean.

BTW, how did we beat the Thunder in 5 with Peja and Terry shooting 35 percent? Simply in awe of the way Dallas plays as a team.

epicSocialism4tw
05-25-2011, 11:31 PM
Go back and look at Terry on that play. He runs interference on Durant to let Marion dunk it clean.

BTW, how did we beat the Thunder in 5 with Peja and Terry shooting 35 percent? Simply in awe of the way Dallas plays as a team.

We won the series because Dirk had two of the best games in the history of the playoffs on top of a crazy-good overall series, Kidd had a crafty series, Marion is the Matrix again, and everybody else pitched in.

Bob's your Information Minister
05-25-2011, 11:43 PM
I loved, loved the way Dirk left the court right after the trophy.

Actually more than that, he let them hand him the trophy, held it up, and then immediately faded to the back of the crowd of players and just stood there politely for a minute. Even while he was out there he wasn't interested in celebrating at all. Then he quietly, without a single word, just turned around and walked off into the tunnel alone without looking back. And then when ESPN showed a wide show, you could see the team noticing he was gone one by one, and then turning around to follow him. There was Dirk, and then like 50 feet behind him a stream of white jerseys turning around and following him through the crowd off the court.

It was like Dirk sending a message to the entire team. We aren't done. Follow me, we have more to do. And follow him they did.

epicSocialism4tw
05-25-2011, 11:48 PM
I loved, loved the way Dirk left the court right after the trophy.

Actually more than that, he let them hand him the trophy, held it up, and then immediately faded to the back of the crowd of players and just stood there politely for a minute. Even while he was out there he wasn't interested in celebrating at all. Then he quietly, without a single word, just turned around and walked off into the tunnel alone without looking back. And then when ESPN showed a wide show, you could see the team noticing he was gone one by one, and then turning around to follow him. There was Dirk, and then like 50 feet behind him a stream of white jerseys turning around and following him through the crowd off the court.

It was like Dirk sending a message to the entire team. We aren't done. Follow me, we have more to do. And follow him they did.

It was an epic moment. The sound should have faded out as the camera followed him out of the arena and they should have mixed in a bass drum kicking like a heart beat "boom-boom...boom-boom..."

It was great. The same ESPN crew who had barely mentinoned a word about the Mavs (those morons spent all their time talking about how the Thunder needed to do this or needed to do that) over the course of the entire series were left there standing by themselves asking where the players were for interviews. Doris was great, but those other guys were clowns. It was very satisfying to see them stood up so that Dirk could send a message to his team.

Epic Dirk moment. Hard core.

Bob's your Information Minister
05-26-2011, 02:44 AM
http://i53.tinypic.com/idd27m.jpg

Rulon Velvet Jones
05-26-2011, 05:05 AM
No confetti.
No party hats.
No champagne.
No mugging for the cameras.

Polar opposite of that other wack clown show.

Karenin
05-26-2011, 05:29 AM
Seeing OKC lose made me happier than seeing any team lose, including the Lakers. They are seriously the most unlikeable team in team sports. Glad to know that this was pretty much the last year they'll compete for anything because they got incredibly lucky this year, and aren't going to get any better any time soon. No NBA player wants to live in that worthless piece of **** state.

P.S. osubroncos and SoonersBroncos or whatever their names are, are nowhere to be found, what a surprise.

El Guapo
05-26-2011, 05:38 AM
I was absolutely ecstatic last night, but seeing as to how I was only going to get 3 hrs of sleep I decided to wait to post until today.

I am in awe of dirk, and for him to do that at the end (disappear into he tunnel) is greatness. Finally these "analysts" are comparing him to bird and Jordan - rightfully so. Here's to dirk and the mavs! May you dispose of all of your demons from 06 and annihilate the heat (assuming they win tonight).

Go Mavs!!

Rulon Velvet Jones
05-26-2011, 05:39 AM
They are seriously the most unlikeable team in team sports. Glad to know that this was pretty much the last year they'll compete for anything because they got incredibly lucky this year, and aren't going to get any better any time soon.

I don't know about that.

They're a good bunch of kids but they're mostly that - kids. Westbrooks needs to turn a page, basketball-wise, but when you have 4 stars all around 22 years old there's nowhere to go but up. I guarantee every team in the West is afraid of what the Thunder can become in the next 3-5 years. They'll be in the mix every year with that core.

Yeah, Harden got a little annoying with the acting and Perkins got on my nerves with his...fake...whatever he's trying to do, but that's their basketball personas. Every team has them. They're not out there toting guns or banging hookers (yet). They'll be pretty damn formidable when Durant gets more experience and bulk, when Westbrook has a lightbulb go on and he figures out the position, when Harden gets more minutes, when Brooks has coached his way through tough decisions and when guys like Ibaka and Perkins have more time together, defensively.

Karenin
05-26-2011, 06:09 AM
They ran extremely good with injuries this year. If Westbrook or Durant miss 20 games at any point (extremely likely given how frail Durant is), they miss the playoffs. They have no one else who can score on a consistent basis.

Inkana7
05-26-2011, 06:16 AM
They ran extremely good with injuries this year. If Westbrook or Durant miss 20 games at any point (extremely likely given how frail Durant is), they miss the playoffs. They have no one else who can score on a consistent basis.

hahahahaha

SoonerBronco
05-26-2011, 06:19 AM
Seeing OKC lose made me happier than seeing any team lose, including the Lakers. They are seriously the most unlikeable team in team sports. Glad to know that this was pretty much the last year they'll compete for anything because they got incredibly lucky this year, and aren't going to get any better any time soon. No NBA player wants to live in that worthless piece of **** state. P.S. osubroncos and SoonersBroncos or whatever their names are, are nowhere to be found, what a surprise.

You are a joke! Sure, no one wants to play here, which is why Durant re-upped for 5 years, that's why Perkins signed his extension when he got here. Collison, Sephalosha...all signed after coming here.

Incredibly lucky? Seriously...they won 50 games last year, and 55 this year. You have an abnormal hate for all things Oklahoma, which is fine with me.

I feel sorry for you. Meth is a terrible addiction and it is obvious that it has fried your brain.

Again, move along and let the adults talk basketball...

Like I said before, it's obvious that the Thunder lost composure over the last 5 minutes of the last three games. That will come with experience, so with the team intact, despite what Karen the douche says, OKC will be around next year primed for a run to the finals.

SoonerBronco
05-26-2011, 06:23 AM
They ran extremely good with injuries this year. If Westbrook or Durant miss 20 games at any point (extremely likely given how frail Durant is), they miss the playoffs. They have no one else who can score on a consistent basis.

Again, you are the biggest idiot on this board. Harden, Ibaka can consistently put in double figures if given the minutes. Losing Both Westbrook and Durant would probably spell doom, but not just one of them.

So you stayed up all night I see, how's that meth working for you?

Karenin
05-26-2011, 06:49 AM
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And we're done here. Buh bye.

Karenin
05-26-2011, 06:50 AM
hahahahaha

Who are you again?

SoonerBronco
05-26-2011, 07:04 AM
And we're done here. Buh bye.

Wow, Karen is a douche and a quitter...ROFL!

Karenin
05-26-2011, 07:45 AM
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vancejohnson82
05-26-2011, 08:11 AM
Seeing OKC lose made me happier than seeing any team lose, including the Lakers. They are seriously the most unlikeable team in team sports. Glad to know that this was pretty much the last year they'll compete for anything because they got incredibly lucky this year, and aren't going to get any better any time soon. No NBA player wants to live in that worthless piece of **** state.

P.S. osubroncos and SoonersBroncos or whatever their names are, are nowhere to be found, what a surprise.

Yea, Durant is a really unlikable guy. A guy who leads the league in scoring, throws down some thunderous dunks and barely even talks. I hate players like that. I also hate watching a team of 20 year old kids playing in the playoffs. It really pisses me off.

Worst of all, I hated to watch a state in ruin actually have something to root for. That made me SOOOO angry

You're a clownshoe

Karenin
05-26-2011, 08:20 AM
Cool story bro

Inkana7
05-26-2011, 08:26 AM
Who are you again?

Number of games the "frail" Durant has missed in his NBA career: 14. Most games missed in a season: 8.

Who are you again?

Karenin
05-26-2011, 08:29 AM
Yea, Durant is a really unlikable guy. A guy who leads the league in scoring, throws down some thunderous dunks and barely even talks. I hate players like that. I also hate watching a team of 20 year old kids playing in the playoffs. It really pisses me off.

Worst of all, I hated to watch a state in ruin actually have something to root for. That made me SOOOO angry

You're a clownshoe

I can understand why you'd be a fan of Oklahoma, you live in literally the only place in the U.S. that sucks more than Oklahoma.

vancejohnson82
05-26-2011, 08:45 AM
I can understand why you'd be a fan of Oklahoma, you live in literally the only place in the U.S. that sucks more than Oklahoma.

yup...keep spouting garbage out of the hole that should be filled with ape penis that you call a mouth.

Glass houses my friend. I doubt you know what that means though, because your mom was probably hitting a glass piece while she was pregnant with you.

Karenin
05-26-2011, 08:59 AM
Dude. You live in Newark. The chances of you being a crack baby are approximately 1000000% greater than me being a crack baby.

Inkana7
05-26-2011, 09:03 AM
Dude. You live in Newark. The chances of you being a crack baby are approximately 1000000% greater than me being a crack baby.

Heh, calling someone prejudiced in one thread and posting this in another. It'd be art if I wasn't sure you were retarded.

Drunk Monkey
05-26-2011, 09:03 AM
Dude. You live in Newark. The chances of you being a crack baby are approximately 1000000% greater than me being a crack baby.

Dude, the crap you are spewing in 2 different threads disagrees. BTW what's you hangup on where people live?

vancejohnson82
05-26-2011, 09:07 AM
Dude. You live in Newark. The chances of you being a crack baby are approximately 1000000% greater than me being a crack baby.

I'm just reading your posts, bruh. Blithering idiocy at its finest. I was going to give you the drug excuse, but it could be that you're the kind of person that needs to wear a helmet outside just to get the mail.

Either way, your contribution to this thread, and to this board is pretty piss poor. You should spend more time working on your Match.com profile and less time surfing the Mane and watching Japanese anime porn.

Karenin
05-26-2011, 09:12 AM
Cool story. Hey, seeing as how you live in Newark, maybe we could meet up in the city sometime and I could beat the **** out of you? How's that sound? Although, seeing as how you live in Newark you probably couldn't even afford to get over to the city, so I can understand if that's going to be a problem for you. Maybe you can splurge a little bit of your welfare check this month.

vancejohnson82
05-26-2011, 09:19 AM
Cool story. Hey, seeing as how you live in Newark, maybe we could meet up in the city sometime and I could beat the **** out of you? How's that sound? Although, seeing as how you live in Newark you probably couldn't even afford to get over to the city, so I can understand if that's going to be a problem for you. Maybe you can splurge a little bit of your welfare check this month.

I've actually got a job in Manhattan. But hey, since you're so wealthy, if you want hop on the PATH and head over into big bad Newark. If you make it out of Penn Station without pissing off those "scary" Latinos, African Americans, Puerto Ricans or Polaks, or whatever other race you have on your **** list, I would be happy to meet up with you and have a civil discussion about the Oklahoma City Thunder.

See, thats what this is all about, isnt it? The Oklahoma City Thunder being the most unlikable team in the playoffs? Oh, no, wait. Its a self aggrandizing argument from the resident troll, who goes from thread to thread and posts.

1) "cool story bro" ----- which is really funny, by the way
2) "I think that (insert state or city) is a ****ty place to live" --- still don't know where you live
3) "Well, you're a racist" ---- good argument tactic
4) "Wanna fight" ----- relax there Popeye

In that order.

By the way, the day I fight someone over a message board conversation will be the same day someone looks you dead in the eye and tells you that they respect you. It's just not gonna happen

Now, back to the NBA....you still have that other thread to go bother people in

Karenin
05-26-2011, 10:18 AM
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epicSocialism4tw
05-26-2011, 11:34 AM
I don't know about that.

They're a good bunch of kids but they're mostly that - kids. Westbrooks needs to turn a page, basketball-wise, but when you have 4 stars all around 22 years old there's nowhere to go but up. I guarantee every team in the West is afraid of what the Thunder can become in the next 3-5 years. They'll be in the mix every year with that core.

Yeah, Harden got a little annoying with the acting and Perkins got on my nerves with his...fake...whatever he's trying to do, but that's their basketball personas. Every team has them. They're not out there toting guns or banging hookers (yet). They'll be pretty damn formidable when Durant gets more experience and bulk, when Westbrook has a lightbulb go on and he figures out the position, when Harden gets more minutes, when Brooks has coached his way through tough decisions and when guys like Ibaka and Perkins have more time together, defensively.

I like all of the Thunder players except for Perkins. I think that just about everyone except for his Boston teammates are just not that enamored with the guy. I like Brooks too. I think that OKC is really a perfect squad for the city. Durant especially.

Durant tried one of Dirk's one-legged fades in that game last night. It wasn't a good shot for him, but I was still impressed that he has been taking notes. He should hire Holger. My girlfriend even noticed it. She said "That's Dirk's shot! He can't do that!"

SoonerBronco
05-26-2011, 01:17 PM
So I wonder if Karen is is stage name? Cool Story Bro? This guy keeps getting dumber by the post. It has been great reading all the posts owning him, but he still doesn't get it. Meth is a bad drug...since he won't tell us where he lives, you think someone could ping his ip address? Fun stuff folks...:)

gunns
05-26-2011, 01:29 PM
Who are you again?

The broken record continues to skip and skip and skip.

Get some original material.

Never mind, anything original to you aint worth a ****.

Requiem
05-26-2011, 01:31 PM
I know people with meth addictions and they are way more articulate and functional than Karen.

gunns
05-26-2011, 01:32 PM
Cool story. Hey, seeing as how you live in Newark, maybe we could meet up in the city sometime and I could beat the **** out of you? How's that sound? Although, seeing as how you live in Newark you probably couldn't even afford to get over to the city, so I can understand if that's going to be a problem for you. Maybe you can splurge a little bit of your welfare check this month.

Oh my, it's a CYBER BULLY

serious hops
05-26-2011, 01:38 PM
Wow. Memo to karenin; posting a bunch of interwebs memes does not make you look clever-- particularly when they're sandwiched around some retarded takes.

SoonerBronco
05-26-2011, 03:30 PM
Wow. Memo to karenin; posting a bunch of interwebs memes does not make you look clever-- particularly when they're sandwiched around some retarded takes.

rep!ROFL!

BroncoMatt
05-26-2011, 03:41 PM
I'm glad the thunder lost. To me they are the NY Jets of the NBA

Karenin
05-26-2011, 05:04 PM
Oh my, it's a CYBER BULLY

oh my it's a SAD 80 YEAR OLD WOMAN WHO HAS NOTHING BETTER TO DO THAN PLAY MESSAGE BOARD POLICE BECAUSE HER LIFE IS NOTHING MORE THAN A SAD PILE OF REGRETS.

DomCasual
05-26-2011, 05:18 PM
oh my it's a SAD 80 YEAR OLD WOMAN WHO HAS NOTHING BETTER TO DO THAN PLAY MESSAGE BOARD POLICE BECAUSE HER LIFE IS NOTHING MORE THAN A SAD PILE OF REGRETS.

Uh-oh. Someone needs to take his meds, and write some poetry.

maven
05-26-2011, 05:23 PM
I'm an AA flyer. Thought this was a good story on the potential finals match.

http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22748484/29600286

Mavs-Heat worth millions to American Airlines
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An NBA Finals match-up between the Miami Heat and the Dallas Mavericks would be worth millions of dollars to American Airlines. Posted by Benmiami-heat-fan Golliver.

The Western Conference champions -- the Dallas Mavericks -- play in the American Airlines Center. The likely Eastern Conference champions -- the Miami Heat -- play in the American Airlines Arena. Guess who stands to make boatloads of cash if the two teams should meet in the 2011 NBA Finals? That's right: American Airlines.

CNBC.com reports that the airline company could gain as much as $95.9 million of exposure if a Mavericks-Heat Finals went seven games.

maven
05-26-2011, 05:24 PM
Time for liftoff!

http://googlehotnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/lebron-james-heat-jersey.jpg

gunns
05-26-2011, 06:48 PM
oh my it's a SAD 80 YEAR OLD WOMAN WHO HAS NOTHING BETTER TO DO THAN PLAY MESSAGE BOARD POLICE BECAUSE HER LIFE IS NOTHING MORE THAN A SAD PILE OF REGRETS.

So, what web site did you look that up on? Or, or did you come up with it all by yourself? Sorry to be critical but it doesn't rhyme. And with no slimy nep rep it just doesn't ring. But I did like the caps lock effect. :thumbsup:

Rulon Velvet Jones
05-26-2011, 06:48 PM
Meh.

bombay
05-26-2011, 07:17 PM
The MVP is finally getting a little help tonight from Deng.

TDmvp
05-26-2011, 07:27 PM
Korver is the suck

bombay
05-26-2011, 07:30 PM
miami with 8 free throws in 1:08 late in the 3rd.

maven
05-26-2011, 07:35 PM
One Q to go.

:strong:

Rulon Velvet Jones
05-26-2011, 07:59 PM
This is the part where Maven disappears again.

Missouribronc
05-26-2011, 08:01 PM
This is the part where Maven disappears again.

He is the definition of weak sauce.

Rulon Velvet Jones
05-26-2011, 08:09 PM
Hey now. Interesting.

TDmvp
05-26-2011, 08:16 PM
Chioke ...

bombay
05-26-2011, 08:17 PM
The officials deliver for little man stern.

THere are some Dallas fans on my baseball forum that are decent guys, guess i'll pull for them.

OrangeCrush2724
05-26-2011, 08:18 PM
Wow. Lebron just stole that game away.

Rulon Velvet Jones
05-26-2011, 08:20 PM
What a choke.

Let's do this ****.

maven
05-26-2011, 08:21 PM
THE KING IS heading back to The Finals.

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/58614/lebron.jpg

maven
05-26-2011, 08:21 PM
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ****KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK YAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!

ohiobronco2
05-26-2011, 08:22 PM
Anybody but the Heat.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
05-26-2011, 08:23 PM
Wow - was that Chicago or OKC? Talk about crapping the bed!

I hate both of the teams that are headed to the finals, but I hate the Cheat and their manufactured 'stars' just a little bit more, so I'll be rooting against them.

Soul-Bronco
05-26-2011, 08:24 PM
what a comeback ! thats what champions are made of ! I laughed watching leclutch drain those three's and block rose at the end of the game!

Miami has its work cut out for them, dallas is a great team, but everything went wrong for miami tonight and we still won ! I think pat riley sitting in the stands and just observing has helped this team tremendously !

GO HEAT !!!

cant wait to go to my first NBA finals live baby !!!!!:strong:

maven
05-26-2011, 08:26 PM
what a comeback ! thats what champions are made of ! I laughed watching leclutch drain those three's and block rose at the end of the game!

Miami has its work cut out for them, dallas is a great team, but everything went wrong for miami tonight and we still won !

GO HEAT !!!

cant wait to go to my first NBA finals baby !!!!!:strong:

http://www.maniacworld.com/internet-bro-fist.jpg

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
05-26-2011, 08:26 PM
THE KING IS heading back to The Finals.

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/58614/lebron.jpg

http://www.karmaloop.com/vendor/TFLKB/zoom/TFL99zoom3.JPG

maven
05-26-2011, 08:28 PM
Hhahahahahaha OHHHH Yahhhhhhhhh!!!!!!! Man it feels goooooooooooood!

Soul-Bronco
05-26-2011, 08:29 PM
http://www.maniacworld.com/internet-bro-fist.jpg

lol maven

maven
05-26-2011, 08:31 PM
Bulls just got straight THUNDERED! lololol

maven
05-26-2011, 08:36 PM
http://i.imgur.com/bnyF8.jpg

See a difference?

maven
05-26-2011, 08:40 PM
WORSTVP!!!!!!!

SonOfLe-loLang
05-26-2011, 08:40 PM
That was pretty sweet. Can they do a recount for the MVP?

Missouribronc
05-26-2011, 08:41 PM
WORSTVP!!!!!!!

There is nothing more comical than an over-reacting bandwagon tool.

Just saying.

SonOfLe-loLang
05-26-2011, 08:42 PM
I'm looking forward to seeing how Epic explains why LeBron sucks. I hate that he's on the Heat, i hate that he thought he needed to team with Wade, i hate the super team...but hes the best player in the world. Im not sure how this is even an argument

maven
05-26-2011, 08:44 PM
There is nothing more comical than an over-reacting bandwagon tool.

Just saying.

Rose v Westbrook would be an epic 16 hour game of 21

Hilarious!

maven
05-26-2011, 08:45 PM
There is nothing more comical than an over-reacting bandwagon tool.

Just saying.

Rose v Westbrook would be an epic 16 hour game of 21

Hilarious!

OrangeCrush2724
05-26-2011, 08:47 PM
I'm looking forward to seeing how Epic explains why LeBron sucks. I hate that he's on the Heat, i hate that he thought he needed to team with Wade, i hate the super team...but hes the best player in the world. Im not sure how this is even an argument

Epic doesn't care about all that stuff. He cares about the 2 traveling calls against James.

maven
05-26-2011, 08:47 PM
http://www.myhero.com/images/guest/g203566/hero48294/g203566_u53608_MMVA2007_Chris_Bosh.jpg

Bow Down, bitches!

maven
05-26-2011, 08:48 PM
Epic doesn't care about all that stuff. He cares about the 2 traveling calls against James.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2504/4176905080_97dbafc3cb.jpg

Missouribronc
05-26-2011, 08:49 PM
Rose v Westbrook would be an epic 16 hour game of 21

Hilarious!

Rose v Westbrook would be an epic 16 hour game of 21

Hilarious!

So intelligent, he had to say it twice.

WTF? Really?

SonOfLe-loLang
05-26-2011, 08:50 PM
I wont hate on DRose. He's awesome. James just put the clamps down and frustrated the **** out of him.

epicSocialism4tw
05-26-2011, 08:52 PM
Yes! Mavs get the Heat. Perfect.

TDmvp
05-26-2011, 08:52 PM
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SonOfLe-loLang
05-26-2011, 08:54 PM
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who is arguing this though?

epicSocialism4tw
05-26-2011, 08:54 PM
That was pretty sweet. Can they do a recount for the MVP?

I know, man...Dirk has been absolutely dominant in the playoffs without the benefit of having a single other star player.

In fact, Dirk's playoffs up to this point are what Magic Johnson called "the best stretch of playoff performance since Michael Jordan."

TDmvp
05-26-2011, 08:56 PM
who is arguing this though?

Apparently that little kid was. Hilarious!

I mostly just thought it was funny ... Don't over think it.

SonOfLe-loLang
05-26-2011, 08:56 PM
I know, man...Dirk has been absolutely dominant in the playoffs without the benefit of having a single other star player.

In fact, Dirk's playoffs up to this point are what Magic Johnson called "the best stretch of playoff performance since Michael Jordan."

No doubt Dirk has been awesome. But ummm, you watch LeBron completely take the MVP of the league out of the game...game after game? All while he put up his points and made clutch shots?

Bron's D will always be an underappreciated part of his game. He's the best in the world. Hands down. Its not even a remote argument.

maven
05-26-2011, 08:59 PM
http://i55.tinypic.com/106edki.jpg

SonOfLe-loLang
05-26-2011, 09:00 PM
I think Maven was the kid who would shout IN YOUR FACE when he'd win at pick up basketball

TDmvp
05-26-2011, 09:00 PM
http://i55.tinypic.com/106edki.jpg

Hilarious!

Yea that TV ad is stupid... It's like "wait what" all that hype about 9.8 and it ends up just being how much the shoe weighs ?

Weak...

epicSocialism4tw
05-26-2011, 09:09 PM
No doubt Dirk has been awesome. But ummm, you watch LeBron completely take the MVP of the league out of the game...game after game? All while he put up his points and made clutch shots?

Bron's D will always be an underappreciated part of his game. He's the best in the world. Hands down. Its not even a remote argument.

I don't know how you can say that given that Dirk has had one of the all-time great playoff performances that included sweeping the two-time defending champions.

Dirk is the best player in the world right now, and he's doing it without a second star. James is second, but there's absolutely no way on earth that he's playing at Dirk's level up to this point. Thats an unfair comparison for James.

maven
05-26-2011, 09:09 PM
Bron's D will always be an underappreciated part of his game. He's the best in the world. Hands down. Its not even a remote argument.

http://hiphollywood.com/storage/Lebron%20james%20miami%20.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEV ERSION=1278615448330

epicSocialism4tw
05-26-2011, 09:15 PM
Barkley just picked the Mavs to win the title.

epicSocialism4tw
05-26-2011, 09:16 PM
Personally, I think that the Mavs are still playing on house money. They weren't supposed to be here in the first place, and I'm just enjoying the ride.

OrangeCrush2724
05-26-2011, 09:17 PM
Barkley just picked the Mavs to win the title.

Barkley also picked the Celtics and bulls.

epicSocialism4tw
05-26-2011, 09:17 PM
Barkley also picked the Celtics and bulls.

He also picked the Mavs to beat the Lakers.

SonOfLe-loLang
05-26-2011, 09:19 PM
I don't know how you can say that given that Dirk has had one of the all-time great playoff performances that included sweeping the two-time defending champions.

Dirk is the best player in the world right now, and he's doing it without a second star. James is second, but there's absolutely no way on earth that he's playing at Dirk's level up to this point. Thats an unfair comparison for James.

Youre really just a LeBron hater. First of all, the Dallas team is filled with useful veterans that have played incredibly well throughout this playoff. Its the deepest team in the league. No doubt Dirk Nowitzki is an awesome player, an awesome shooter, and theres zero doubt he's been unreal in this playoff.

If you want to compare stats, Dirk is scoring a touch more, Bron is rebounding and, naturally, throws more assists. But again, youre COMPLETELY ignoring his DEFENSE which has been ALL WORLD. He made the LEAGUE'S MVP look pedestrian. Secondly, you keep mentioning Wade WHO HAS BEEN PRETTY **** this series with the exception of some key plays down the stretch in the past few games. You've often criticized LeBron for "choking" but he has been money money money in crunch time lately.

This isn't an argument and thats not taking anything away from Dirk, who has been awesome. But even though Dirk has been playing "out of this world," he's still not LeBron James who we've just come to expect to do this.

And if you haven't noticed, the Heat are cruuuuuuising through this playoffs, including a team with the best record in the league that hadn;t lost more than two straight previous to this epic beatdown.

Rulon Velvet Jones
05-26-2011, 09:25 PM
If cruising through the playoffs is a 12-3 record to this point, then the Mavs are also cruuuuuuuuuuising.

SonOfLe-loLang
05-26-2011, 09:29 PM
If cruising through the playoffs is a 12-3 record to this point, then the Mavs are also cruuuuuuuuuuising.

No doubt. that comment was in response to his about the mavs sweeping the Lakers. I'm not taking anything away from Dirk and the Mavs...they've been dominant. My basic point is the general consensus believes dirk is playing above and beyond himself and he is. My point is this transcendent Dirk is playing at the level we all are just used to Lebron playing.

strafen
05-26-2011, 09:37 PM
It should be a great NBA Finals.
I'm not much of a basketball guy, but I'll definitely be up for this one.

I'll be rooting for the underdog which at this point I'm assuming it will bw Dallas

Hopefully Mark Cuban will keep his pipehole shut long enough to not spoil it for me :~ohyah!:

maven
05-26-2011, 09:37 PM
Barkley also picked the Celtics and bulls.

Thanks Barkley, keep up the h8!

maven
05-26-2011, 09:39 PM
It should be a great NBA Finals.
I'm not much of a basketball guy, but I'll definitely be up for this one.

I'll be rooting for the underdog which at this point I'm assuming it will bw Dallas

Hopefully Mark Cuban will keep his pipehole shut long enough to not spoil it for me :~ohyah!:

Check it out!

^5

epicSocialism4tw
05-26-2011, 09:41 PM
Youre really just a LeBron hater. First of all, the Dallas team is filled with useful veterans that have played incredibly well throughout this playoff. Its the deepest team in the league. No doubt Dirk Nowitzki is an awesome player, an awesome shooter, and theres zero doubt he's been unreal in this playoff.

If you want to compare stats, Dirk is scoring a touch more, Bron is rebounding and, naturally, throws more assists. But again, youre COMPLETELY ignoring his DEFENSE which has been ALL WORLD. He made the LEAGUE'S MVP look pedestrian. Secondly, you keep mentioning Wade WHO HAS BEEN PRETTY **** this series with the exception of some key plays down the stretch in the past few games. You've often criticized LeBron for "choking" but he has been money money money in crunch time lately.

This isn't an argument and thats not taking anything away from Dirk, who has been awesome. But even though Dirk has been playing "out of this world," he's still not LeBron James who we've just come to expect to do this.

And if you haven't noticed, the Heat are cruuuuuuising through this playoffs, including a team with the best record in the league that hadn;t lost more than two straight previous to this epic beatdown.

Dirk is scoring "a touch more"? LOL

Please. Do you know what Dirk averaged in the last series?

That's with the Mavs having an immensely tougher slate of opponents, and still having the same record as the Heat.

You're just a hater.

epicSocialism4tw
05-26-2011, 09:43 PM
No doubt. that comment was in response to his about the mavs sweeping the Lakers. I'm not taking anything away from Dirk and the Mavs...they've been dominant. My basic point is the general consensus believes dirk is playing above and beyond himself and he is. My point is this transcendent Dirk is playing at the level we all are just used to Lebron playing.

Dirk is playing "beyond himself"? LOL

Prove it.

maven
05-26-2011, 09:45 PM
Here's an interesting Rose stat in this series.

117 points on 120 shots.

strafen
05-26-2011, 09:47 PM
Check it out!

^5
Oh, I will. ^5
Should be good. I'm a Celtic "fan" but it'll be a different deal to see a final that doesn't include the Celts of the Lakers...

SonOfLe-loLang
05-26-2011, 09:48 PM
Dirk is scoring "a touch more"? LOL

Please. Do you know what Dirk averaged in the last series?

That's with the Mavs having an immensely tougher slate of opponents, and still having the same record as the Heat.

You're just a hater.

I'm not being a hater at all. Dirk's been fantastic (and i was comparing complete playoff stats). Youre the guy that ragged on LeBron for an offensive foul at the end of game 4 because it was the absolute only thing you could criticize about his play. Previous to the Mavs/OKC series, was anyone (including yourself) making a case that Dirk was a superior player to LeBron? Of course not. So why should i believe he is now. LeBron James is the complete package. Top 5 scorer in the league. Elite rebounder for his position, one of the best passers in the game, unstoppable on the break, Top 2 defender in the league (and after this Chi series, even Dwight Howard might admit they are 1a and 1b.)

This is NO hate on Dirk, who i love as an offensive player (and doesnt come remotely close to Bron on the D end). LeBron is just THAT good.

maven
05-26-2011, 09:56 PM
All the Bulls fans in here ran like a bunch of girls! That's just too bad.

maven
05-26-2011, 10:00 PM
Oh, I will. ^5
Should be good. I'm a Celtic "fan" but it'll be a different deal to see a final that doesn't include the Celts of the Lakers...

Times are changing. Out with the old, in with the new. That is sports for ya.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
05-26-2011, 10:02 PM
And if you haven't noticed, the Heat are cruuuuuuising through this playoffs, including a team with the best record in the league that hadn;t lost more than two straight previous to this epic beatdown.

I wouldn't pat myself on the back too hard if I were a Cheat fan.

When you think about it, it's a miracle that the Bulls finished with the best record - considering how little help D-Rose had. It's a measure of how good Rose really is (and will be.) In the end, inexperience and the same lack of help for Rose doomed the Bulls.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
05-26-2011, 10:04 PM
So who have you got here?

I'm going with Mavs in 6.

maven
05-26-2011, 10:06 PM
damn! damn! damn! dayyyyyyuummmmmmmmmmmmmm!

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii12/REexpert44/feels-good-head-0-292x300.png

NBA FINALS!!!!!!

Rulon Velvet Jones
05-26-2011, 10:07 PM
Mavs in 7. On the road. Dirk buzzer-beater over LeBron's terribly receding hairline.

maven
05-26-2011, 10:07 PM
So who have you got here?

I'm going with Mavs in 6.

I will have my prediction by tip off of game one of THE NBA FINALS.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
05-26-2011, 10:08 PM
Mavs in 7. On the road. Dirk buzzer-beater over LeBron's terribly receding hairline.

Yeah, it might go seven games if LeHype and D-Whistle get the usual number of calls.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
05-26-2011, 10:10 PM
I will have my prediction by tip off of game one of THE NBA FINALS.

Why do you need to wait until then?

And, BTW, shouldn't you wait until LeStats has actually won something before you crown him "king?" Ha!

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
05-26-2011, 10:14 PM
If you ask me, "king" would be more befitting of a guy who led his team to the finals three years in a row, won two out of three, and did it without having to team up with two other superstars.

Just sayin.'

maven
05-26-2011, 10:16 PM
If you ask me, "king" would be more befitting of a guy who led his team to the finals three years in a row, won two out of three, and did it without having to team up with two other superstars.

Just sayin.'

The Finals #1 for LeBron starts Tuesday as a Heat player. Grab a seat. And enjoy the ride.

SonOfLe-loLang
05-26-2011, 10:22 PM
Ill guess Heat in 6...who has home court?

maven
05-26-2011, 10:23 PM
Ill guess Heat in 6...who has home court?

Game 1 is in Miami

maven
05-26-2011, 10:24 PM
And remember it's a 2-3-2 home/away format.

ZONA
05-26-2011, 10:29 PM
No doubt. that comment was in response to his about the mavs sweeping the Lakers. I'm not taking anything away from Dirk and the Mavs...they've been dominant. My basic point is the general consensus believes dirk is playing above and beyond himself and he is. My point is this transcendent Dirk is playing at the level we all are just used to Lebron playing.

That playing above or below oneself is somewhat a bunch of crap. You play and that's it. Sometimes you play great, sometimes not. Some better players pay better more often and the great usually play better most of the time. But I hate to say oh this guy is playing better then he really is. That's a bunch of horse crap

SoCalBronco
05-26-2011, 10:40 PM
Hopefully Dallas wins it. I'd like to see what Chicago can do when they add a real shooting guard.

maven
05-26-2011, 10:41 PM
That playing above or below oneself is somewhat a bunch of crap. You play and that's it. Sometimes you play great, sometimes not. Some better players pay better more often and the great usually play better most of the time. But I hate to say oh this guy is playing better then he really is. That's a bunch of horse crap

Both players are playing great! Both players rightfully so represent their team in the The Finals. This is the correct The Finals to happen.

Bob's your Information Minister
05-26-2011, 10:44 PM
I think the fact that the Mavs have such a huge advantage on the bench means Lebron and company will have to play 44 minutes a game. They will be far too fatigued by the 4th to hold off any late Mavericks rallies and/or mount a comeback.

TEAMS win championships, not three individuals.

Hell, I can see Kidd shutting down Dwayne Wade, who looked horrible against the Bulls, and the Mavericks already have Deshawn Stevenson, the Lebron Killer. Lebron was terrible against the Mavs this year.

Bob's your Information Minister
05-26-2011, 10:45 PM
http://hiphollywood.com/storage/Lebron%20james%20miami%20.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEV ERSION=1278615448330

Eat ****.

http://i53.tinypic.com/idd27m.jpg

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
05-26-2011, 10:50 PM
I think the fact that the Mavs have such a huge advantage on the bench means Lebron and company will have to play 44 minutes a game. They will be far too fatigued by the 4th to hold off any late Mavericks rallies and/or mount a comeback.



I agree.

The Mavs are a veteran team with WAY more offensive weapons and considerably more depth than the Bulls.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
05-26-2011, 10:52 PM
Hopefully Dallas wins it. I'd like to see what Chicago can do when they add a real shooting guard.

Add one more star to that Bulls roster and this ECF would have had a different outcome.

Bob's your Information Minister
05-26-2011, 10:55 PM
Bron shot 44 percent in the conference finals.

Not bad, but not close to Dirk's 56 percent.

Bow down.

SonOfLe-loLang
05-26-2011, 10:56 PM
I think the fact that the Mavs have such a huge advantage on the bench means Lebron and company will have to play 44 minutes a game. They will be far too fatigued by the 4th to hold off any late Mavericks rallies and/or mount a comeback.

TEAMS win championships, not three individuals.

Hell, I can see Kidd shutting down Dwayne Wade, who looked horrible against the Bulls, and the Mavericks already have Deshawn Stevenson, the Lebron Killer. Lebron was terrible against the Mavs this year.

I remember when Gerald Wilkins was once the "Jordan Killer" laughable.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
05-26-2011, 10:57 PM
Who on the Cheat is going to guard Dirk?

Bosh?

Don't make me laugh. Ha!

SonOfLe-loLang
05-26-2011, 10:57 PM
That playing above or below oneself is somewhat a bunch of crap. You play and that's it. Sometimes you play great, sometimes not. Some better players pay better more often and the great usually play better most of the time. But I hate to say oh this guy is playing better then he really is. That's a bunch of horse crap

Whatever. The point is people are only starting to make this comparison based on 5 games by Nowitzki. He's a great player, but he's not LeBron great.

I dont know why this is some kind of great insult to Dirk. He's playing fantastically!

24champ
05-26-2011, 10:59 PM
So who have you got here?

I'm going with Mavs in 6.

I said the same thing a few pages back. Mavericks in 6, the matchups will be interesting. Who defends Dirk? That dude is on a mission and I liked that he didn't stick around to celebrate the WCF. He's hungry for a 'ship.

SonOfLe-loLang
05-26-2011, 10:59 PM
Who on the Cheat is going to guard Dirk?

Bosh?

Don't make me laugh. Ha!

It'll probably be LeBron. Dirk will shoot his jumpers over him (he'd do this against anyone), but he's gonna have his hands full for sure.

maven
05-26-2011, 11:01 PM
I think the fact that the Mavs have such a huge advantage on the bench means Lebron and company will have to play 44 minutes a game. They will be far too fatigued by the 4th to hold off any late Mavericks rallies and/or mount a comeback.

TEAMS win championships, not three individuals.

Hell, I can see Kidd shutting down Dwayne Wade, who looked horrible against the Bulls, and the Mavericks already have Deshawn Stevenson, the Lebron Killer. Lebron was terrible against the Mavs this year.

If you paid attention to the Heat the role players have played a big role hitting shots. While it's not consistent every night, a player will hit a bucket to help out or grab a board or make a steal.

I really like our match ups in this series. What would worry me about Dallas is Peja getting hot or JJ going on a quick tear. Toss in some buckets for the Jet they will probably decide a game or 2.

I just really like Wade v Kidd and THE KING v Marion match ups. Bosh v Dirk should be all right as well. Chalmers/Bibby can play with Terrry. Miami will stick a combo of CB1, UD, Anthony, and THE KING on Dirk. Anthony/UD on Chandler.

Just really like our match ups in this series.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
05-26-2011, 11:02 PM
I said the same thing a few pages back. Mavericks in 6, the matchups will be interesting. Who defends Dirk? That dude is on a mission and I liked that he didn't stick around to celebrate the WCF. He's hungry for a 'ship.

This thread proves that LeBron James - not GW Bush - is the "uniter."

Congrats, LeBron: You've managed to unite NBA fans everywhere - against YOU.

Ha!

maven
05-26-2011, 11:03 PM
Eat ****.



Just like these guys.

http://allmandlaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Texas_Rangers.jpg

The Mavericks will fail. AND THEY WILL FAIL.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
05-26-2011, 11:04 PM
Bosh v Dirk should be all right as well.

Wait a minute: You really think Bosh can play Dirk straight up?

Hilarious!

SonOfLe-loLang
05-26-2011, 11:04 PM
Hopefully Dallas wins it. I'd like to see what Chicago can do when they add a real shooting guard.

Seriously, how pathetic is the production from this position? They still need more though. They can start by trying to unload that over the hill tub they call Boozer. And Noah NEEEEEDS to learn some sort of offensive game beyond a putback or dunk

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
05-26-2011, 11:09 PM
Just really like our match ups in this series.

The Mavs have so many players who are scoring machines that you will run yourself ragged constantly switching on defense and playing 3 on 5.

You're going to need even more help than usual from the refs to have a chance to win this series.

maven
05-26-2011, 11:10 PM
I'm glad Boston & Chicago is over. Finally get out of these defense heavy teams. Lets get ready to run Dallas.

maven
05-26-2011, 11:10 PM
Wait a minute: You really think Bosh can play Dirk straight up?

Hilarious!

Yes, I think Bosh can definitely put buckets on Dirk.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
05-26-2011, 11:15 PM
I'm glad Boston & Chicago is over. Finally get out of these defense heavy teams. Lets get ready to run Dallas.

You're going from a decrepit, depleted Smeltics team and a young, inexperienced team with one great player/a bunch of scrubs like Carlos Loozer to veteran team whose depth is probably going to leave you in the dust.

maven
05-26-2011, 11:17 PM
Seriously, how pathetic is the production from this position? They still need more though. They can start by trying to unload that over the hill tub they call Boozer. And Noah NEEEEEDS to learn some sort of offensive game beyond a putback or dunk

They just signed Boozer to a large contract. Who is going to want him? That is what you get from Noah. I doubt he will develop a consistent J.

maven
05-26-2011, 11:20 PM
You're going from a decrepit, depleted Smeltics team and a young, inexperienced team with one great player/a bunch of scrubs like Carlos Loozer to veteran team whose depth is probably going to leave you in the dust.

ROFL!

We'll see who's right will we.

maven
05-26-2011, 11:21 PM
http://a57.foxnews.com/static/managed/img/U.S./660/371/052611_heattofinals.jpg

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
05-26-2011, 11:32 PM
ROFL!

We'll see who's right will we.

The way you (not unlike your team) are celebrating like you've already won a title speaks volumes, IMO.

maven
05-27-2011, 12:12 AM
The way you (not unlike your team) are celebrating like you've already won a title speaks volumes, IMO.

The Heat match-up just fine with Dallas. It's the role players they must contain and THEY WILL.

Requiem
05-27-2011, 12:17 AM
Mike Miller gonna get a ring!

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
05-27-2011, 01:15 AM
The Heat match-up just fine with Dallas. It's the role players they must contain and THEY WILL.

The Mavericks are the better team.

The Kidd/Barea combo compared to Bibby/Chalmers is huge advantage for the Mavericks. Bibby has no business starting in the NBA. He does nothing on the court while Kidd, even at his age, is still playing very well (and within his role.) Chalmers got lit up by Watson the entire ECF. He'll make a wide open three and play good defense, but JJ, even for his size, is better and has had a much bigger impact on the game then I've ever seen Chalmers have (unless you go back to his days at Kansas.)

Chandler is playing great defense. He should be the match up with Bosh for the Finals. His athleticism can disrupt Bosh a lot more than Noah, who looked uncomfortable outside the paint in the ECF. Haywood is a much better big than Anthony.

Haslem is a shell of his former self. Dude had one good game and everyone thinks he's back. The guy is still shooting 37% from the field these playoffs, and he's not a great rebounder - due to his lack of height and size. I hope they play him on Dirk. This is not 2006 - Dirk will destroy Haslem. Hopefully Spo is as stupid as Heat fans say.

As for Z and Howard, they'll never see the court - they are strictly cheerleaders for this series. Bottom line, they only viable big on the Heat is Bosh, and he is not even a big - he's a jump shooting power forward.

I think Dirk's production and LeRingchaser's production will cancel each other out. Dirk is unguardable and playing the best ball of his career, as is LeBron.

Luckily for the Mavs, Wade is playing the worst basketball in his career. If Terry can continue to play at this level, i.e., (his numbers are up from the regular season - dude's been amazing) dropping 17 off the bench, then the SG matchups of Stevenson/Terry vs Wade is an advantage for Miami, but not a crucial one at all.

Miller sucks. He had one good game (game 4 if I recall.) He keeps shooting and missing, i.e., 20% from 3, 35% from the field. Dude hurts the team more than he helps. Peja is better than Miller at this point, and it's not even close.

Coaching-wise the Mavericks have the edge as well.

The wildcards are Miami having HCA, and Marion on Dallas. If Marion continues to play at this level, I cannot see any team in the NBA beating the Mavs. They have looked very, very impressive vs. the Lakers and Thunder, both of whom are much better teams than the Celtics and Bulls.

epicSocialism4tw
05-27-2011, 02:38 AM
I'm not being a hater at all. Dirk's been fantastic (and i was comparing complete playoff stats). Youre the guy that ragged on LeBron for an offensive foul at the end of game 4 because it was the absolute only thing you could criticize about his play. Previous to the Mavs/OKC series, was anyone (including yourself) making a case that Dirk was a superior player to LeBron? Of course not. So why should i believe he is now. LeBron James is the complete package. Top 5 scorer in the league. Elite rebounder for his position, one of the best passers in the game, unstoppable on the break, Top 2 defender in the league (and after this Chi series, even Dwight Howard might admit they are 1a and 1b.)

This is NO hate on Dirk, who i love as an offensive player (and doesnt come remotely close to Bron on the D end). LeBron is just THAT good.

You said that Dirk is playing above himself.

Prove it.

Either prove it or get that weak crap outta here.

epicSocialism4tw
05-27-2011, 02:40 AM
Whatever. The point is people are only starting to make this comparison based on 5 games by Nowitzki. He's a great player, but he's not LeBron great.

I dont know why this is some kind of great insult to Dirk. He's playing fantastically!

There's no insult, you're just woefully misinformed. Probably watched a couple of Mavs games and have been glued to your hero James.

Get educated.

epicSocialism4tw
05-27-2011, 03:05 AM
Yes, I think Bosh can definitely put buckets on Dirk.

How 'bout a quick education for those like yourself who just hopped on the bandwagon...

1) Dirk plays Bosh very well, but will likely be guarding Joel Anthony or Haslem. Dirk had no problem shutting down Gasol, Bosh is a much easier player to guard. So if Dirk switches on to Bosh, Dallas is comfortable with that.
2) Marion is likely to guard Bosh some.
3) LeBron James will not guard Dirk...unless the Heat are stupid enough to want to get the guy in foul trouble. Haslem and Joel Anthony will be guarding Dirk to save James the fouls and the extra work.
4) Jason Kidd will guard Wade or James. Kidd is still a top notch defender, especially on big guards (see Kobe Bryant)
5) DeShawn Stevenson is back, LeBron. Stevenson gets in James' head. Stevenson will guard Wade or James.
6) Shawn Marion is capable of guarding any of the players that the Heat will put on the floor. Marion can guard point guards all the way down to back-to-the-basket power forwards. The Heat wont be playing a single player that Marion cannot make life difficult for. Shawn Marion has been a defensive monster in the playoffs.

The Mavs' perimeter defense is the best in the playoffs. They have the best 3 point defense in the league. That makes things suck for Miami, who have the worse 3 point offense in the playoffs. Kidd, Marion, Stevenson, and Terry are all capable defenders who will make a difference in this series.

It helps that the Mavs' interior defense is stout as well. Chandler was a defensive player of the year candidate. Haywood was called the "best post defender in the NBA" by Dwight Howard. Dirk Nowitzki is a more than capable defender and rebounder.

The Mavs have had great defensive outings against teams better than Miami (the LA Lakers).

Heat fans are in for a rude awakening if they believe that the Mavs dont play defense. Before the Thunder series, the Mavs had the best defensive rating in the playoffs after having played two teams that were great offensively. The Lakers were much more diverse offensively than the Heat are. They scared me much more than Miami. They can score on you with power in the post (Bynum), with finesse in the post (Gasol, Bynum), with midrange baskets (Bryant, Gasol, Fisher, Artest), with the outside shot (Bryant, etc) and from three (Bryant, Fisher, etc).

The Heat are a drive and kick team who doesnt really have a consistent 3-point threat to kick to. The Mavs can guard big players who go to the basket. They are designed to guard those kinds of players. They get funneled by Kidd, Marion, or Stevenson into Chander or Haywood. Dallas does a great job at guarding the 3-pointer on the kick too. They're the best in the league at it.

Dallas is also a fantastic transition defense team. They rarely turn the ball over and have the athleticism and speed to get back and jumble things up.

Miami has not faced a team as good defensively as Dallas yet. They havent faced a team as good offensively as Dallas either.

I wouldnt be so haugty if I was a Miami fan. When Phil Jackson was asked how the Lakers lost in a sweep to Dallas he said "We ran into a buzz saw". Dallas is still a buzz saw. I havent even begun talking about how phenomenally Dirk is playing.

Dallas isnt intimidated by road games (won 5 straight...including wins in LA, OKC, and Portland) . Dallas isnt intimidated by punks. Dallas isnt intimidated by anything. They're over there salivating about this chance to wax the floor with the Miami Heat. Dirk is probably on the practice court right now working on ways to take advantage of the Heat defenders.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
05-27-2011, 03:15 AM
Dirk had no problem shutting down Gasol...

Unfortunately, my grandma would have had no problem shutting down Gasol in these playoffs.


She passed away in '89, BTW.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
05-27-2011, 03:22 AM
I said the same thing a few pages back. Mavericks in 6, the matchups will be interesting. Who defends Dirk? That dude is on a mission and I liked that he didn't stick around to celebrate the WCF. He's hungry for a 'ship.

I have the Mavs in 6 - even though most of my fellow Lakers fans seem to be taking the cHeat in 6 (although most of them would rather see Dallas win it.)

Guys like Kidd and Dirk definitely deserve to win a championship more than LeRingchaser, that's for sure.

Rulon Velvet Jones
05-27-2011, 05:39 AM
LA Broncos Fan is killing it. Nice work.

TonyR
05-27-2011, 05:40 AM
How 'bout a quick education for those like yourself who just hopped on the bandwagon...

You need to make a choice. Are the Mavs "playing with house money" as you've said, or are they the better team and should win as you seem to be saying here? It's one or the other. You're trying to set it up so you can be "right" either way but you're not fooling anybody.

Speaking of being "right", do you want to give us some more of your BS about "LeBrick" and "LeChoke"? Do you feel even a little bit stupid for all that nonsense you've been spewing about him for the last several weeks?

OrangeCrush2724
05-27-2011, 05:43 AM
You need to make a choice. Are the Mavs "playing with house money" as you've said, or are they the better team and should win as you seem to be saying here? It's one or the other. You're trying to set it up so you can be "right" either way but you're not fooling anybody.

Speaking of being "right", do you want to give us some more of your BS about "LeBrick" and "LeChoke"? Do you feel even a little bit stupid for all that nonsense you've been spewing about him for the last several weeks?

But but but he got a charge call before he made all those shots...

Rulon Velvet Jones
05-27-2011, 06:11 AM
Would the Lakers, even with their warts, have beaten any of the EC competition the Heat just went through? They looked bad, but they still had formidable parts. If we're going to say the Lakers were mediocre competition for the Mavs, then we also have to say the one-armed Rondo Celtics were similar.

Rulon Velvet Jones
05-27-2011, 06:20 AM
Three teams finished in the top-10 in offensive and defensive efficiency. You're looking at two of them.

Missouribronc
05-27-2011, 06:25 AM
You need to make a choice. Are the Mavs "playing with house money" as you've said, or are they the better team and should win as you seem to be saying here? It's one or the other. You're trying to set it up so you can be "right" either way but you're not fooling anybody.

Speaking of being "right", do you want to give us some more of your BS about "LeBrick" and "LeChoke"? Do you feel even a little bit stupid for all that nonsense you've been spewing about him for the last several weeks?

Last several months.

I believe if you go back through the thread "LeBrick" had very little chance to be in the NBA Finals.

Rulon Velvet Jones
05-27-2011, 06:27 AM
Last several months.

I believe if you go back through the thread "LeBrick" had very little chance to be in the NBA Finals.

He gets a pass on that against anyone that thought the Mavs had no chance against the Lakers.

Karenin
05-27-2011, 06:30 AM
I'm glad Boston & Chicago is over. Finally get out of these defense heavy teams. Lets get ready to run Dallas.

Wow, this is about the saddest post I've ever read, which is saying a lot since I've been on OM for a while.

You do know you're not actually on the team, right?

Requiem
05-27-2011, 06:36 AM
Karenin,

You do know that you are the sole reason many of us here are pro choice, don't ya?

Requiem
05-27-2011, 06:40 AM
Last several months.

I believe if you go back through the thread "LeBrick" had very little chance to be in the NBA Finals.

I hate LeBron as much as anyone, but he is unbelievable. Some people just can't be honest.

Bob's your Information Minister
05-27-2011, 06:44 AM
Good reading this morning.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/Whitlock-Los-Angeles-Lakers-hope-Mike-Brown-has-intel-to-derail-LeBron-James-dynasty-052611

Brown's job is to derail LeBron, Heat


If Civil War historian Shelby Foote were alive to document these NBA playoffs, he might compare Derrick Rose’s failed, end-of-regulation advances against LeBron James to “Pickett’s Charge.”

Tuesday night the rebel forces that were aligned against James, The Big Three and the Miami Heat suffered massive losses.

Watching James toy with the league’s MVP down the stretch was so demoralizing and awe-inspiring that continued resistance seems futile and misguided.

President Pat “Abraham Lincoln” Riley and Gen. LeBron “Ulysses S. Grant” James are going to win the war.

The Decision, the preseason victory celebration, the declarations about winning multiple championships and Dan Le Batard’s season-long smugness all will be justified.

Don’t read that as a prediction the Heat will win this year’s title. Dirk Nowitzki’s Mavericks can beat the Heat in a seven-game series. This year’s NBA Finals are simply a battle. It’s Gettysburg. Robert E. Lee and the rebel army didn’t surrender until 18 months after the disastrous “Pickett’s Charge.”
The NBA war is what’s important, and that is about which team will dominate the league over the next three or four seasons.

“Thibodeau’s Charge” — the ill-fated, late-game strategy of twice sending an exhausted, poor-shooting, 6-foot-2 guard one-on-one against a hungry, revenge-minded, 6-8 freak of nature — is the moment rebel sympathizers realized the futility of our cause.

Had I owned a Bulls jersey, I would’ve burned it in the streets Tuesday night.

Signs of retreat are everywhere. Charles Barkley and the entire “Inside the NBA” crew moved their studio set inside American Airlines Arena to avoid Heat supporters. NBA historian Bill Simmons called for Bulls enforcer Kurt Thomas to be activated and used to pop James and Dwyane Wade.

And this week, in the most telling sign of all, the Los Angeles Lakers reportedly have turned to Mike Brown to chaperone the end of Kobe Bryant’s career.

Again, the war is over. The only reason to dust off Brown, to give him a three-year contract with an option for a fourth, is to combat the LeBron James Era. Brown’s hire is about one thing: beating the Heat in the NBA Finals so Kobe can tie Michael Jordan with six titles.
Brown knows Bron better than any basketball coach in the world. Brown knows Bron better than Erik Spoelstra and Pat Riley know Bron.

Brown collaborated with LeBron for five seasons in Cleveland. Brown groomed the two-time MVP. You have to believe Brown spent the past month telling Lakers executives that he knows how to slow the force of nature driving the NBA.

I’m sure Bryant really does love Brian Shaw, the Phil Jackson assistant who was supposed to get the job. But why throw support behind a rookie head coach, a coach with no specific intel on your greatest rival?

I’ve read all the nice words being tossed back and forth between Brown and Bron. I don’t buy it. That’s not inside information. It’s what I know about competitors. Last year’s loss to the Boston Celtics motivated James to leave Cleveland and seek a stronger supporting cast. Last year’s loss to the Boston Celtics motivated Brown, too.

As a coach, there’s no way Brown could be happy with the way James played and conducted himself during the Boston-Cleveland series. James’ body language and actions pointed a finger at Brown and the coaching staff.

Mike Brown wants to stop the Miami dynasty as much as Dan Gilbert, as much as Kobe Bryant.

Brown is going to smile and say all the right things about James and their days together in Cleveland. Behind the scenes, in private conversations with Kobe, Brown won’t be nearly as nice and cheerful.

More than ever before, this is King James’ league now. Kobe’s skills are in decline. Tuesday night, James made Rose’s MVP trophy look fraudulent. Carmelo, Amar’e and the Knicks need a real coach. Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook are children. Dirk Nowitzki will be 33 in a few days.

It’s good to be King.

But there are always forces plotting to unseat the King.

If American drug war historian David Simon were chronicling the NBA, he might compare the Brown-Bryant collaboration to Brother Mouzone and Omar Little teaming up to take out Stringer Bell.

I see it this way: Kobe is John McCain, a hero whose time has passed. And Brown is Sarah Palin, a poorly thrown, desperate Hail Mary pass.



Keys To A Miami Win:

1. Gang Rebound / Team Boxouts On The Glass Will Offset The Mavs Size.
2. Force Dirk Into Foul Trouble (Bosh iso's & pick n roll switches)
3. Chase Dallas off the 3pt line, make their shooters take you off the dribble, then recover.
4. RUN A PATIENT & EFFICIENT OFFENSE WITH EVERY PLAYER MOVING.
5. Get Role Players Involved Early & Often. LBJ, Wade, & Bosh can get their shot anytime.

Keys To A Dallas Win:

1. Funnel Wade & James Into Chandler / Haywood With Help D
2. Be Physical With & Body Chris Bosh, Give Him No Room To Operate.
3. Force Wade & Bron Right (Both Feel More Comfortable Going Left)
4. Pound The Ball Down Low. Establish Size Early.
5. Have Wade Chase Terry To Induce Fatigue & Fouls


Viewing these playoffs strictly from a basketball purist standpoint, I can't truly say Miami is set to win the Finals. There seems to be some overwhelming beliefs by some heat fans and sympathists alike that Miami has it in the bag. That Wade, LeBron, and Bosh are unbeatable now because of their post-season success. That Haslem and Miller are back so that means we are safe. Three of the core rotation players for Miami have played in an NBA Finals being a major factor in their team while going through the experiences of failure and success in the post-season. Haslem, Wade, and James have all been to the Finals. While there are others on the Heat roster that have been as well, only these three have faced a significant amount of time on the court dealing with the atmosphere as extremely talented players. The importance of having some of the more skilled athletic players knowing what failure or success in the finals feels like cannot be understated. This is one of Miami's greatest strengths. Core championship experience. It could be the difference in the series.


Even when Miami has its core rotation healthy, there are still serious questions to answer in regards to this team's offensive identity. It has improved, but for a team to win a title, they must be successful in rebounding and defense. I believe Miami is easily capable of succeeding defensively against Dallas but It will take a firm commitment to boxing out and staying homed in on shooters. Miami is in my opinion, the best defensive team in basketball. They have unmatchable athleticism, length, and defensive habits that would make Jordan salivate at getting a crack at. But heres where it gets shifty. Dallas has been #1 in the post-season for field goal percentage at .467% (Miami is .446%). Dallas is currently second in 3pt percentage behind the eliminated Celtics at .396% (Miami is .317%). That is offensively. Defensively it gets more interesting. In terms of points allowed, Miami has Dallas beaten at 88.9 compared to Dallas being 92.5 (Boston was 93.3). But upon closer inspection, you will see the opponent 3pt percentage allowed. Miami's is .391% while Dallas is a grueling .258%. Dallas is one of the best at defending the 3 while Miami is one of the worst at shooting and defending the 3. With Dallas being the second best 3pt shooting team in terms of percentage in this post-season, Miami faces a formidable challenge given their lackluster defense against the 3. Dallas is also #1 in team assists at 21.1 (Boston was 21.0)

Another issue is the length of the Maverick's shooters. Two of the Mavs premier shooters are 6'10 minimum. With Miami being limited on mobile bigs around that height, it will be difficult to contest shots on the Mavericks proverbial trebuchets. The great Pat Riley once said "No Rebounds, No Rings." If Miami doesn't stick to the Dallas shooters like gorilla glue, there may be no chance for rebounds. Jason Terry is as good running around screens to get an open look at a 3 as any speedy sharpshooter in the NBA much like Ray Allen. It will take everyone physically boxing out and gang rebounding, otherwise, there will be no rebounds and no ring and a german will be holding the NBA Finals trophy.

I think by far the scariest aspect of this whole matter is that Dallas has posted statistics that are eerily similar to that of the Boston Celtics in almost every regard with the added incentive of a roster that is superior to Boston's. The areas that Dallas is strong at along with their personnel spells trouble for a Miami team that has failed to show enough interest in fully addressing their offensive stagnation issues.

I think Miami will face a true test in this Dallas team. I have no doubts. Dallas swept the champions and they have the DEEPEST roster in the league. This is not the 06 Mavs. This team is hungry and wasn't mentioned in the breathe of LA, MIA, BOS, or SA. They grinded and hustled their way to victories and completely trounced the Los Angeles Lakers making it look easy. I would be very cautious if I was Pat Riley as to allowing Spoelstra to fully run this dog n pony show.

I cannot wait for this Dallas - Miami series. As a Heat fan, I wanna see Miami win, but as a basketball purist, I really think Dallas could send Miami packing.

Points off turnovers.
Fastbreak points.
Points in the paint.
Second chance points.

All are areas in which Miami finds ways to score. In fact, they are the majority of Miami's offensive production. Dallas does an excellent job of limiting production in all of the above.

If you thought It was important for Miami to have offensive sets against the Bulls, wait till they face Dallas, a team with players who can match Miami's athleticism and talent. You think Jason Kidd is going to be careless with the ball as a PG to create easy transition opportunities for Miami?

Jason Kidd has been to enough rodios to know how its done. Good luck getting those against him. Kidd does not turn the ball over like a Derrick Rose will. He is calm, calculated, and collected. He is a true PG in every sense of the word and a 1st ballot HOFer. The likelihood of him coughing up the ball to Miami is minimal. Any turnovers Miami would force would most likely be off of doubling Dirk, a tactic which Dallas would fully expect.

Fastbreak points are unlikely as Dallas has some of the best fastbreak defenders in the league on the wing and frontline in Marion and Chandler. Kidd can also stop breaks with crafty strips of the ball when the opposing team's player gathers.

PIP is unlikely to be high with Dallas's surly defensive frontcourt. Dirk, Chandler & Haywood are all capable post defenders with Chandler being one of the best pick n roll (an offense style which Miami implements throughly) defenders in the league next to Dwight Howard. By trying to score on Chandler at the rim, you run the risk of relying on the ref to blow the whistle which I seriously doubt Miami will get in this series.

I forsee second chance points being hard to come by for Miami. Chandler is known as a terrific rebounder especially on the offensive end, capable of going for 20 boards any night as well as Haywood and Marion being capable of providing 10 boards respectively. God forbid they get Caron Butler back for the Finals, because that would push them over the top in terms of advantages. They'd have Marion and Butler hounding Wade and James into funneled drives towards Chandler or bad jumpshots.

As much as I dislike the Dallas Mavericks & just Dallas in general, I gotta say, when fully healthy, I think they have the best roster in the NBA. When you look at the names and what they can each provide, they dont have any weak spots. The only thing they might have a weak spot at is their lowpost offense which Haywood can provide in a limited manner.

If Miami does find a way to win the series I think it will be in 7 games. I would honestly be shocked if Dallas lost in less given their display of a team not willing to give in or be eliminated regardless of the odds they face. I believe in respecting the opponent for their talent and ability even if their personality is substandard.

So my thoughts are that if Miami implements advanced sets for the offense other than basic pick n roll schemes I think they win in 7.

If they run isoherolationball than I see Dallas winning in 5. No joke.

I think out of all the opponents Miami has faced in these playoffs, Dallas is the one team that the street-ball offense wont succeed against because they have the coaching and talent to defend against it. Please dont get it twisted, I believe Eric Spoelstra is a phenomenal coach and the right man for the job, but the truth is, he and Mike Brown have the same achilles heel, they both have limited offensive minds.

When Pat Riley came to practice with sets for Spoelstra to implement, it wasn't because he was being a cheerful guy, it was because he wanted Miami to start being prepared to have conventional offense to fall back on if they ran into stagnant possessions. I hope Riley watches the film on Dallas and places more sets at the hands of Spoelstra to utilize this team efficiently.

This team cannot be allowed to swallow itself in the finals due to the heroball tactics that Wade and LeBron fall into at times. I enjoy watching LeBron & Wade play but sometimes they allow their personalities to overrule what the best decision would be in certain situations. Even the best players of all time understood the need for plays. For Jordan, the triangle was truly a blessing because of the simplicity it instilled in the team's offense. This team doesn't have any real fallback option that I've seen. Thats what separates the great coaches from the good coaches. The ability to draw up plays for both ends. As good as LeBron is running a read n react style offense, that doesn't cut it in the playoffs when you spend 3/4 of the shotclock not attempting a pass or testing an area of a stout defense.

Miami has rode these playoffs off their talent alone. You've seen it in the struggles they've had and it could come to a ugly figurehead in these finals. Offensive execution and keeping the Dallas shooters off the 3pt line will be what makes this team into champions or breaks them into pretenders. They must chase the Dallas shooters off that 3pt line as it is the Mav's biggest offensive weapon.

Nothing would pain me more than to see players like LeBron, Miller, and Bosh not win a title this year. They are worthy of a championship, and I hope that the Miami coaching staff recognizes the importance of forcing the issue, getting their star players to run plays regardless of how much they might disagree. Staggered screens (flare) for Miller, high post isolations for Bosh against Dirk to create foul trouble for him, misdirection plays, anything but stagnant possessions.
The biggest thing I have a difficulty of understanding is why the players are so reluctant to run sets. I understand the hassle of learning sets, I understand some players don't like the concept of being forced to do a specific thing without being able to move freely, but sets are designed to create quality looks for players off switches, screened out players, confusion, etc.

By having 5 players being involved in the possession through ball & player movement it forces the defense to react and make mistakes. Let us all hope that the core Heat players understand the importance of this before they learn the hard way. This is how the big myth of Miami not having a bench was devised. It's not that Miami doesn't have a bench. It's that Miami doesn't INVOLVE the bench.

Rulon Velvet Jones
05-27-2011, 06:56 AM
When shifting Dirk to certain spots on the floor, Miami won't be able to both cover him and effectively blanket the outside shooters. He's become quite adept at passing out of the double-team and his teammates sniff out the open spots and cuts to the basket when they see it coming.

Haslem cannot cover Dirk 1-1, so get that out of your head. Do the Heat allow Dirk to "get his" while staying home on the others and hoping he doesn't go off for 40 every night? Haslem (who, by the way, has had just ONE alright game since returning) will try to body up on Dirk like Collison while waiting for LeBron to bring the double. [Collison, for all his efforts, was still embarrassed in the WCF] If this is set in the high post, Dirk will need to find the open cutter as he attacks the basket. If it's in the low post or baseline, he'll have the option of spinning out of the coverage or throwing behind to another shooter. High PnRs with Barea will help in getting that extra man off Dirk.

Man-Goblin
05-27-2011, 07:00 AM
When does Franklin and Bash start?

Karenin
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You say something, Macauley Culkin?

vancejohnson82
05-27-2011, 07:34 AM
Heat in 6....its amazing that people are still hating on Lebron

we'll see who steps up more in the Finals...not worth arguing right now....

Rulon Velvet Jones
05-27-2011, 07:38 AM
Heat in 6....its amazing that people are still hating on Lebron

we'll see who steps up more in the Finals...not worth arguing right now....

This isn't 1-1 streetball (where LeBron has been beaten before).

Rulon Velvet Jones
05-27-2011, 07:39 AM
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vancejohnson82
05-27-2011, 07:47 AM
This isn't 1-1 streetball (where LeBron has been beaten before).

he sure makes it look like it when the game is on the line

he has literally carried that Heat team for the last three minutes in 4 different games these playoffs ....much like everyone's new hero, Dirk

by the way, people can't have it both ways. It's been said that Wade is having the "worst stretch of games in his career"...but then LeBron is still overrated

pick one

Rulon Velvet Jones
05-27-2011, 08:03 AM
Even with all the scoring Dirk's been doing late in games, I'm giving lots of credit to the work of Marion and Kidd in crunchtime. Both have been huge.

El Guapo
05-27-2011, 08:06 AM
Dallas owned Miami in their 2 meetings this year.

The explanation of why they (Miami) got home court advantage is BS though. Dallas should definitely have it. Oh well, revenge for 06! Bring it!

GO MAVS!

vancejohnson82
05-27-2011, 08:09 AM
Even with all the scoring Dirk's been doing late in games, I'm giving lots of credit to the work of Marion and Kidd in crunchtime. Both have been huge.

agree completely....Kidd has absolutely amazed me this postseason with the way he's played, and more importantly the minutes he's provided....its incredible

I'm not hating on the Mavs at all...I just happen to think Lebron gets a little too much garbage

Rulon Velvet Jones
05-27-2011, 08:11 AM
agree completely....Kidd has absolutely amazed me this postseason with the way he's played, and more importantly the minutes he's provided....its incredible

I'm not hating on the Mavs at all...I just happen to think Lebron gets a little too much garbage

Eh, the LeBron thing comes and goes. It's part of the gig when you're one the best and now, most polarizing, players on the planet. Look at how we all view guys like Tom Brady and Peyton Manning.They're amazing and, as much as we hate to admit it, are pretty damn good. We just don't like to see them shredding up our teams.

SonOfLe-loLang
05-27-2011, 08:11 AM
You said that Dirk is playing above himself.

Prove it.

Either prove it or get that weak crap outta here.

Ugh, i like you as a person, but you can be so ****ing annoying. You mentioned his per game avg (i think it wa syou) for the western conference finals (what youre basing all this dirk is god ****) which is way above what he's normally used to. He's playing fantastically, but its not like he's ALWAYS played THIS well and im not COUNTING on him doing it in the future.

And again, all you people who are comparing the two dont seem to take defense into the argument. Here the two arent even remotely close. Dirk's a better shooter than Bron. That's bout it. And this is a testament to LeBron! Not an insult to dirk

SonOfLe-loLang
05-27-2011, 08:14 AM
How 'bout a quick education for those like yourself who just hopped on the bandwagon...

1) Dirk plays Bosh very well, but will likely be guarding Joel Anthony or Haslem. Dirk had no problem shutting down Gasol, Bosh is a much easier player to guard. So if Dirk switches on to Bosh, Dallas is comfortable with that.
2) Marion is likely to guard Bosh some.
3) LeBron James will not guard Dirk...unless the Heat are stupid enough to want to get the guy in foul trouble. Haslem and Joel Anthony will be guarding Dirk to save James the fouls and the extra work.
4) Jason Kidd will guard Wade or James. Kidd is still a top notch defender, especially on big guards (see Kobe Bryant)
5) DeShawn Stevenson is back, LeBron. Stevenson gets in James' head. Stevenson will guard Wade or James.
6) Shawn Marion is capable of guarding any of the players that the Heat will put on the floor. Marion can guard point guards all the way down to back-to-the-basket power forwards. The Heat wont be playing a single player that Marion cannot make life difficult for. Shawn Marion has been a defensive monster in the playoffs.

The Mavs' perimeter defense is the best in the playoffs. They have the best 3 point defense in the league. That makes things suck for Miami, who have the worse 3 point offense in the playoffs. Kidd, Marion, Stevenson, and Terry are all capable defenders who will make a difference in this series.

It helps that the Mavs' interior defense is stout as well. Chandler was a defensive player of the year candidate. Haywood was called the "best post defender in the NBA" by Dwight Howard. Dirk Nowitzki is a more than capable defender and rebounder.

The Mavs have had great defensive outings against teams better than Miami (the LA Lakers).

Heat fans are in for a rude awakening if they believe that the Mavs dont play defense. Before the Thunder series, the Mavs had the best defensive rating in the playoffs after having played two teams that were great offensively. The Lakers were much more diverse offensively than the Heat are. They scared me much more than Miami. They can score on you with power in the post (Bynum), with finesse in the post (Gasol, Bynum), with midrange baskets (Bryant, Gasol, Fisher, Artest), with the outside shot (Bryant, etc) and from three (Bryant, Fisher, etc).

The Heat are a drive and kick team who doesnt really have a consistent 3-point threat to kick to. The Mavs can guard big players who go to the basket. They are designed to guard those kinds of players. They get funneled by Kidd, Marion, or Stevenson into Chander or Haywood. Dallas does a great job at guarding the 3-pointer on the kick too. They're the best in the league at it.

Dallas is also a fantastic transition defense team. They rarely turn the ball over and have the athleticism and speed to get back and jumble things up.

Miami has not faced a team as good defensively as Dallas yet. They havent faced a team as good offensively as Dallas either.

I wouldnt be so haugty if I was a Miami fan. When Phil Jackson was asked how the Lakers lost in a sweep to Dallas he said "We ran into a buzz saw". Dallas is still a buzz saw. I havent even begun talking about how phenomenally Dirk is playing.

Dallas isnt intimidated by road games (won 5 straight...including wins in LA, OKC, and Portland) . Dallas isnt intimidated by punks. Dallas isnt intimidated by anything. They're over there salivating about this chance to wax the floor with the Miami Heat. Dirk is probably on the practice court right now working on ways to take advantage of the Heat defenders.

You clearly dont watch much eastern conference basketball. So now the Bulls are a worse defensive team than dallas? BY WHAT MEASURE. Im not saying Dallas ISNT a bad defensive team, but come on, thats what the Bulls are known for.

vancejohnson82
05-27-2011, 08:16 AM
Ugh, i like you as a person, but you can be so ****ing annoying. You mentioned his per game avg (i think it wa syou) for the western conference finals (what youre basing all this dirk is god ****) which is way above what he's normally used to. He's playing fantastically, but its not like he's ALWAYS played THIS well and im not COUNTING on him doing it in the future.

And again, all you people who are comparing the two dont seem to take defense into the argument. Here the two arent even remotely close. Dirk's a better shooter than Bron. That's bout it. And this is a testament to LeBron! Not an insult to dirk

so true...its not often you can turn to your 6'8" forward and say "hey, would you mind shutting down the other team's point guard...and by the way, he was hte MVP of the league this year"

and what if the "Dirk of old" shows up in crunch time this Finals...do we still put him in these ridiculous top ten lists and stuff?

SonOfLe-loLang
05-27-2011, 08:18 AM
Dallas owned Miami in their 2 meetings this year.

The explanation of why they (Miami) got home court advantage is BS though. Dallas should definitely have it. Oh well, revenge for 06! Bring it!

GO MAVS!

You know that means nothing

SoonerBronco
05-27-2011, 09:00 AM
Wow, this is about the saddest post I've ever read, which is saying a lot since I've been on OM for a while.

You do know you're not actually on the team, right?

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSkdtkZDHu77V86OVdzRsF50vqIS3j9l rmzqLgI29iDQBPOsuz5&t=1

Rulon Velvet Jones
05-27-2011, 09:13 AM
Chicago's defense wasn't their problem.

gunns
05-27-2011, 10:03 AM
I know, man...Dirk has been absolutely dominant in the playoffs without the benefit of having a single other star player.

In fact, Dirk's playoffs up to this point are what Magic Johnson called "the best stretch of playoff performance since Michael Jordan."

I don't believe they base the MVP award on performances in the playoffs. Generally over an entire season. That's probably why you rarely see the MVP in the NBA finals.

SonOfLe-loLang
05-27-2011, 11:44 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nba/news/story?id=6599168

TDmvp
05-27-2011, 11:50 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nba/news/story?id=6599168


Once again ...

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SonOfLe-loLang
05-27-2011, 12:06 PM
Once again ...

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:) i just posted that so Epic would shut up about "magic johnson says Dirk Nowtizki is the best playa evah and also great looking to boot"

OrangeCrush2724
05-27-2011, 12:13 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nba/news/story?id=6599168

"Michael Jordan is probably the greatest scorer to play the game," Pippen said Friday on "Mike & Mike In The Morning" on ESPN Radio. "But I may go as far as to say LeBron James may be the greatest player to ever play the game because he is so potent offensively that not only can he score at will but he keeps everybody involved.

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"You have to be on your P's and Q's on defense. No guy on the basketball court is a threat to score with LeBron James out there. Not only will LeBron dominate from the offensive end as well, but he's also doing it on the defensive end, which really makes him the complete package. He's able to get in those passing lanes, shoot those gaps and create transition opportunities where he is pretty much unstoppable."

Now I disagree with Pippen, but It's nice to hear James having the potential to be one of the best ever. Him holding the MVP to 6% shooting when covering him was crazy.

TDmvp
05-27-2011, 12:22 PM
Now I disagree with Pippen, but It's nice to hear James having the potential to be one of the best ever. Him holding the MVP to 6% shooting when covering him was crazy.



Pretty much agree ... Lebron is the most god given gifted player I ever seen.

He's just not M.J. yet and may never be , but he is still insanely special.


Besides titles here's what it is for me. Remember the game Lebron had vs Detroit where he scored like their last 20 or something like that. Lebron only has a couple of times I can remember like that night , a couple coming in this playoffs ... But that was like the norm for M.J.

epicSocialism4tw
05-27-2011, 12:53 PM
You clearly dont watch much eastern conference basketball. So now the Bulls are a worse defensive team than dallas? BY WHAT MEASURE. Im not saying Dallas ISNT a bad defensive team, but come on, thats what the Bulls are known for.

At the end of the Lakers series, Dalllas led the league in the playoffs in both defensive efficiency and efficiency differential.

I have not seen the updated numbers, and its safe to say that OKC (the best offensive team in the playoffs) may have knocked them down a couple of spots.

But if you don't know that Dallas is one of the top defensive teams in the playoffs, then you arent paying attention.

Chris
05-27-2011, 12:53 PM
He's also a raging dickhead who couldn't win it until he joined a team with two other superstars.

epicSocialism4tw
05-27-2011, 12:57 PM
Ugh, i like you as a person, but you can be so ****ing annoying. You mentioned his per game avg (i think it wa syou) for the western conference finals (what youre basing all this dirk is god ****) which is way above what he's normally used to. He's playing fantastically, but its not like he's ALWAYS played THIS well and im not COUNTING on him doing it in the future.

And again, all you people who are comparing the two dont seem to take defense into the argument. Here the two arent even remotely close. Dirk's a better shooter than Bron. That's bout it. And this is a testament to LeBron! Not an insult to dirk

I asked you to simply prove that Dirk is playing above what is expected for him. That was your assertion. If it were true, you could easily find some statistics and some other evidence to back up your assertion.

So...either back it up or leave it alone. All of this other squirming isnt getting you anywhere.

epicSocialism4tw
05-27-2011, 12:58 PM
He's also a raging dickhead who couldn't win it until he joined a team with two other superstars.

http://www.sexypimp.com/images/sm_ledouche.jpg

SonOfLe-loLang
05-27-2011, 01:05 PM
I asked you to simply prove that Dirk is playing above what is expected for him. That was your assertion. If it were true, you could easily find some statistics and some other evidence to back up your assertion.

So...either back it up or leave it alone. All of this other squirming isnt getting you anywhere.

ummm, i did. If youre pointing at his scoring numbers and shooting percentage, youll see its above and beyond. In the last conference final he averaged 32 per game, when for the season he averaged 23. He's shooting them at 56 percent, when normally he's at around 50. For the playoffs, he's shooting 51 (!) percent from 3pt range, when normally he's just under 40. So, i repeat, he's playing beyond himself right now./

SonOfLe-loLang
05-27-2011, 01:08 PM
At the end of the Lakers series, Dalllas led the league in the playoffs in both defensive efficiency and efficiency differential.

I have not seen the updated numbers, and its safe to say that OKC (the best offensive team in the playoffs) may have knocked them down a couple of spots.

But if you don't know that Dallas is one of the top defensive teams in the playoffs, then you arent paying attention.

i didnt say they werent good, but to imply that Miami is now suddenly up against some defensive juggernaut AFTER they just played chicago is just wrong.

bombay
05-27-2011, 01:19 PM
I've been convinced since 2002 that the NBA is little different than the WWF. The results are more or less choreographed by that little ****er in NY.

epicSocialism4tw
05-27-2011, 01:22 PM
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epicSocialism4tw
05-27-2011, 01:23 PM
i didnt say they werent good, but to imply that Miami is now suddenly up against some defensive juggernaut AFTER they just played chicago is just wrong.

The point was that Miami is playing a team who has been better defensively than the Bulls in the playoffs.

epicSocialism4tw
05-27-2011, 01:29 PM
ummm, i did. If youre pointing at his scoring numbers and shooting percentage, youll see its above and beyond. In the last conference final he averaged 32 per game, when for the season he averaged 23. He's shooting them at 56 percent, when normally he's at around 50. For the playoffs, he's shooting 51 (!) percent from 3pt range, when normally he's just under 40. So, i repeat, he's playing beyond himself right now./

Every year Dirk's playoff numbers increase compared to his regular season numbers.

Just because you guys are new to this idea doesn't mean it isn't true.

Mavs fans expect that Dirk's playoff numbers increase.

SonOfLe-loLang
05-27-2011, 01:32 PM
Every year Dirk's playoff numbers increase compared to his regular season numbers.

Just because you guys are new to this idea doesn't mean it isn't true.

And all his finals victories prove this? Statistically speaking, he's comparable. Look up his post season/regular season averages. They arent much different. He's averaging a tick more in points, but he's also playing more minutes.

He's really good, one of the best players in the league. Lebron James he is not.

SonOfLe-loLang
05-27-2011, 01:35 PM
The point was that Miami is playing a team who has been better defensively than the Bulls in the playoffs.

Umm actually chicago gave up 88 pts per game in the playoff/dallas gave up 92 a game. In the regular season, chicago: 91, Dallas 96.

But by all means, keep spreading the lies!

epicSocialism4tw
05-27-2011, 01:36 PM
And all his finals victories prove this? Statistically speaking, he's comparable. Look up his post season/regular season averages. They arent much different. He's averaging a tick more in points, but he's also playing more minutes.

He's really good, one of the best players in the league. Lebron James he is not.

You still have not proven your assertion that Dirk is playing above himself, and you wont be able to do it because its statistically impossible to prove. Dirk is playing exactly like what you would predict from his past playoff performances.

And you're right. Dirk is not LeBron James. He's Dirk Nowitzki, and he's the undoubted playoff MVP up to this point.

Dirk is literally having one of the greatest playoff stretches of all time. LeBron James is having a nice playoff run, but he's not breaking records. Dirk is breaking all-time playoff records. James is no Nowitzki.

epicSocialism4tw
05-27-2011, 01:38 PM
Umm actually chicago gave up 88 pts per game in the playoff/dallas gave up 92 a game. In the regular season, chicago: 91, Dallas 96.

But by all means, keep spreading the lies!

Points against has little to do with defensive efficiency. Defensive efficiency is the measure of defense that is used by advanced statisticians and NBA front office people.

maven
05-27-2011, 01:40 PM
Good reading this morning.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/Whitlock-Los-Angeles-Lakers-hope-Mike-Brown-has-intel-to-derail-LeBron-James-dynasty-052611

Brown's job is to derail LeBron, Heat

He has been a complete hater since November. He stated Boozer is better than Bosh. He thinks Dallas will sweep Miami in the finals. **** him though I do think he's an NBA fan.

Kaylore
05-27-2011, 01:40 PM
This has to be the worst set of teams to ever advance to the NBA finals.

What do you want to see least? Lebron get a ring exactly one season after changing teams or that blowhard douche of an owners, Mark Cuban, getting a ring? Decisions, decisions...Hilarious!

http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/nation-wrestling-with-notion-of-mark-cuban-winning,20384/

Nation Wrestling With Notion Of Mark Cuban Winning NBA Title

DALLAS—Within hours of the Mavericks sweeping the Lakers Sunday to advance to the NBA Western Conference Finals, basketball fans across the United States began preparing themselves for the very real possibility of outspoken libertarian and tech billionaire Mark Cuban winning an NBA championship. “Yeah, I know, first thought that occurred to me was ‘Oh, man, that would be terrible,’” said Eugene, OR water-treatment plant worker Tracy Williams, adding that his jaw clenched uncomfortably at the idea of Cuban kissing the championship trophy with his “big, loud, stupid mouth.” "But then I thought, you know what? The guy clearly loves his team. He treats his players great. Maybe he does deserve an NBA title. Then I got pissed off at myself for thinking that.”

epicSocialism4tw
05-27-2011, 01:42 PM
This has to be the worst set of teams to ever advance to the NBA finals.

What do you want to see least? Lebron get a ring exactly one season after changing teams or that blowhard douche of an owners, Mark Cuban, getting a ring? Decisions, decisions...
http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/nation-wrestling-with-notion-of-mark-cuban-winning,20384/

Nation Wrestling With Notion Of Mark Cuban Winning NBA Title

DALLAS—Within hours of the Mavericks sweeping the Lakers Sunday to advance to the NBA Western Conference Finals, basketball fans across the United States began preparing themselves for the very real possibility of outspoken libertarian and tech billionaire Mark Cuban winning an NBA championship. “Yeah, I know, first thought that occurred to me was ‘Oh, man, that would be terrible,’” said Eugene, OR water-treatment plant worker Tracy Williams, adding that his jaw clenched uncomfortably at the idea of Cuban kissing the championship trophy with his “big, loud, stupid mouth.” "But then I thought, you know what? The guy clearly loves his team. He treats his players great. Maybe he does deserve an NBA title. Then I got pissed off at myself for thinking that.”

Well...don't watch.

Its always fun when people make "WAAAAHHHH!!! I dont like things that other people like!!11!!!!!11!" posts.

Kaylore
05-27-2011, 01:44 PM
Awe, is Drama Lama mad people don't like his team? If it's any consolation, they probably hate Lebron more.

SonOfLe-loLang
05-27-2011, 01:44 PM
You still have not proven your assertion that Dirk is playing above himself, and you wont be able to do it because its statistically impossible to prove. Dirk is playing exactly like what you would predict from his past playoff performances.

And you're right. Dirk is not LeBron James. He's Dirk Nowitzki, and he's the undoubted playoff MVP up to this point.

Dirk is literally having one of the greatest playoff stretches of all time. LeBron James is having a nice playoff run, but he's not breaking records. Dirk is breaking all-time playoff records. James is no Nowitzki.

Ive given you NUMEROUS STATISTICS and you've chosen to ignore them. hahaha and you just kinda proved my point. If he's setting "all kinds of records" which is dubious, then he's clearly playing above his normal level. Right now, the playoffs, the WCF is a small sample size and it cannot be expected for him to keep up this torrid pace. He might, but i dunno why you would assume its a given.

Youre a Bron hater and you just dont wanna admit you might be wrong in this case. Its fine.

epicSocialism4tw
05-27-2011, 01:51 PM
Ive given you NUMEROUS STATISTICS and you've chosen to ignore them. hahaha and you just kinda proved my point. If he's setting "all kinds of records" which is dubious, then he's clearly playing above his normal level. Right now, the playoffs, the WCF is a small sample size and it cannot be expected for him to keep up this torrid pace. He might, but i dunno why you would assume its a given.

Youre a Bron hater and you just dont wanna admit you might be wrong in this case. Its fine.

Dude. You used points against to argue against defensive efficiency. DE is a complex statistic in which ppg against is one of many variables.

I see you conveniently avoided PER, which Dirk regularly increases significantly from the regular season to the playoffs.

Also embedded subconsciously in your argument is the idea that James regularly outperforms his regular season averages and its okay, while with Dirk its not. However, Dirk has made a habit out of outperforming his season averages in the playoffs.

Why is your perception biased in that way?

SonOfLe-loLang
05-27-2011, 02:01 PM
Dude. You used points against to argue against defensive efficiency. DE is a complex statistic in which ppg against is one of many variables.

I see you conveniently avoided PER, which Dirk regularly increases significantly from the regular season to the playoffs.

Also embedded subconsciously in your argument is the idea that James regularly outperforms his regular season averages and its okay, while with Dirk its not. However, Dirk has made a habit out of outperforming his season averages in the playoffs.

Why is your perception biased in that way?

My perception is biased because your argument is completely asinine. James has lead the league in PER the last 4 seasons. Im not saying James outperforms his regular season averages, im saying he's far and away the best player in the game.

According to your argument, SUPER DIRK should have won championship after championship, but he's made the finals TWO TIMES (same as james, cept dirk, of course, has more years in the league).

maven
05-27-2011, 02:03 PM
You need to make a choice. Are the Mavs "playing with house money" as you've said, or are they the better team and should win as you seem to be saying here? It's one or the other. You're trying to set it up so you can be "right" either way but you're not fooling anybody.

Speaking of being "right", do you want to give us some more of your BS about "LeBrick" and "LeChoke"? Do you feel even a little bit stupid for all that nonsense you've been spewing about him for the last several weeks?

ROFL!

maven
05-27-2011, 02:04 PM
You clearly dont watch much eastern conference basketball. So now the Bulls are a worse defensive team than dallas? BY WHAT MEASURE. Im not saying Dallas ISNT a bad defensive team, but come on, thats what the Bulls are known for.

Well, duh.

SonOfLe-loLang
05-27-2011, 02:04 PM
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2011/insider/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=PERDiem-110527

Christ, i dont even like Miami...i dont know why im sticking up for them so much

TonyR
05-27-2011, 02:30 PM
Why is your perception biased in that way?

LOL Miami and Chicago both have better defenses. You just love making a fool out of yourself, don't you!!!

http://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/teamstats/_/sort/defensiveEff/order/false/seasontype/3

maven
05-27-2011, 02:47 PM
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2011/insider/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=PERDiem-110527

Christ, i dont even like Miami...i dont know why im sticking up for them so much

Can you post the article?

bombay
05-27-2011, 02:49 PM
If the Bulls had a scorer like JR Smith coming off the bench, they may have swept Miami.

epicSocialism4tw
05-27-2011, 02:57 PM
The major storyline of these finals:

Dirk takes less money and stays in Dallas to pursue a title on his own.

LeBron James and Chris Bosh both leave their franchses and fanbases to team up with other star players because they think that they cant do it on their own.

Which strategy wins out? If the Mavs and Dirk win out, it will be a big blow to James, Wade, and Bosh's legacies.

OrangeSe7en
05-27-2011, 03:31 PM
The point was that Miami is playing a team who has been better defensively than the Bulls in the playoffs.

The Bulls are a better defensive team than the Heat and the Mavs. If you swap Bogans for Wade, what do you think would happen? That series was about a number of things but one of them is the value of having two elite players vs one. Defensively, the Heat have a lot of flexibility against the Bulls since there is only one elite player. For the Bull's defense against Miami, theyve had to focus on 2 elite players for Miami. Miami's defense isnt better than Chicago's even though its pretty good. Chicago's defense had a taller task because Miami had 2 elite players, whereas, Chicago only had one.

From that, you can get into other issues about the importance of guys like Korver stepping up (or not as was the case in this series), whereas Miami had more key contributions from guys like Haslem and Miller.

There's a reason the Bulls have an insanely good record when Bogans scores just 6 points. But in this series, that lack of offense was exploited.

But either way, I wish Dallas good luck. I'd like to see Dirk and Cuban get a ring. Both of those guys are great for the league and, plus, the Miami Heat will have more chances if Dallas wins this one. But if Miami wins, so be it. Normally, I don't have anything against the Lakers but I didnt want to see them win it this year.

As far as the Bulls are concerned, hopefully, Thibodeau sees the value of having a more balanced team and not just have 2 offensive players surrounded by a team of defensive ninjas, which is what this year seemed to be all about. I also think its safe to say the Bulls over-achieved this year. Considering their core of Rose, Noah, and Deng had never made it out of the first round this year, you can look on the season positively for the most part. I can see the Bulls not winning as many games next year but also doing better in the playoffs by having gained this experience (hopefully).

Like a lot of Laker fans, its my wish that Chicago does something to get Dwight Howard (and I really hope he's not a user). It seems more likely, however, that he'll end up in LA.

OrangeSe7en
05-27-2011, 03:37 PM
If the Bulls had a scorer like JR Smith coming off the bench, they may have swept Miami.

Yeah, but the Bulls coach and front office were on this kick this year about guys who could blend in. Smith is supertalented. He's way more talented than Bogans but Smith is also a knucklehead. The Bulls had Rasul Butler who played well but got very limited opportunities. Smith is better than Rasual Butler but Thibs had this big thing for Bogans.

Simply put, I agree with you but Thibs would have to actually be willing to play Smith for it to matter.

TonyR
05-27-2011, 03:52 PM
The major storyline of these finals:

Dirk takes less money and stays in Dallas to pursue a title on his own.

LeBron James and Chris Bosh both leave their franchses and fanbases to team up with other star players because they think that they cant do it on their own.

Which strategy wins out? If the Mavs and Dirk win out, it will be a big blow to James, Wade, and Bosh's legacies.

First of all, if Dirk took less money to stay in Dallas it was for purposes of leaving the team enough money under the luxury tax to sign other players.

Second, both LeBron and Bosh left millions on the table to go to Miami.

Third, if Miami doesn't win it this year that doesn't mean Dirk's "strategy" wins out. Miami will have other chances. And there was no "strategy" to begin with. Dirk was happy to take a max contract and stay in Dallas. LeBron and Bosh preferred to play elsewhere.

epicSocialism4tw
05-27-2011, 04:06 PM
First of all, if Dirk took less money to stay in Dallas it was for purposes of leaving the team enough money under the luxury tax to sign other players.

Not really. The Mavs are and have been well over the luxury tax. Dirk took less money to allow roster flexibility down the road. It has to do with trading, not with signing players. The Mavs will only have the MLE, the Biannual exception and the low level exceptions to work with. Those salary slots are set in stone. Thanks for trying to tell us all about Dallas' strategies though. Its cute.

Second, both LeBron and Bosh left millions on the table to go to Miami.

Aw...they're so charitable. Love, hugs, and hearts all around.

Third, if Miami doesn't win it this year that doesn't mean Dirk's "strategy" wins out. Miami will have other chances. And there was no "strategy" to begin with. Dirk was happy to take a max contract and stay in Dallas. LeBron and Bosh preferred to play elsewhere.


Ha!

Dirk repeatedly has said that "winning a title elsewhere wouldnt mean as much as winning one in Dallas" and that he wants to win one for Dallas fans.

LeBron James? He quit on his franchise in the playoffs last year, used the fears and tension of Cleveland fans to boost the ratings of his immensely moronic "The Decision" in what is arguably the worst decision ever made by a popular athlete, and then bolted a situation identical to Dirks so that he didn't have to carry the same weight that Dirk carries.

Its cute of you to ignore all of that though. Its as if you can't figure out why everyone hates LeBron James and the Miami Heat.

epicSocialism4tw
05-27-2011, 04:14 PM
Like a lot of Laker fans, its my wish that Chicago does something to get Dwight Howard (and I really hope he's not a user). It seems more likely, however, that he'll end up in LA.

Yesterday Ric Bucher reported that Dallas is Dwight Howard's first choice.

It was news to me too until I realized that Dan Fegan is Dwight's agent and that Cuban and Fegan have a great working relationship. Cuban has done Fegan a bunch of favors and Fegan represents several current Mavs, including guys who were brought in with awkward trades that were worked out over periods of time (Marion, Terry).

After watching this playoff run be all about Dirk, I wont be surprised if a few of the guys looking to jump ship want to hitch their wagons to Dirk.