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tsiguy96
10-04-2010, 12:30 PM
kyle orton is playing like a top 5 QB in the NFL right now. hes a denver bronco in 2011 as well. if he keeps up this record of play all year, and into next year...do you just let him walk for a guy whos never played before?


people say its a good situation to have, but its not. you risk losing a guy whos playing at a pro bowl level and is literally the most important person on this team for someone whos the got the potential to be one of the best, but is unknown. say tebow does get the nod, does he go in during the '11 season to get real NFL experience? does he play this year if we get a blowout game sometime?

Rabb
10-04-2010, 12:32 PM
Brees/Rivers?

If Orton keeps this up, I don't see how you can let the guy walk.

RunSilentRunDeep
10-04-2010, 12:36 PM
Aaron Rodgers sat on the bench for three years. Wouldn't bother me if Tebow did the same. And if Tebow is a quality backup for six years behind a Pro Bowl-level Orton, I could live with that as well. This discussion is best had in the 2012 training camp.

Garcia Bronco
10-04-2010, 12:36 PM
Then Tebow stays on the bench. It's not hard to figure out.

Hercules Rockefeller
10-04-2010, 12:37 PM
What a terrible situation to be in, other teams are probably laughing at the Broncos.

bronco militia
10-04-2010, 12:38 PM
there is no tebow issue until Ortons hits the wall or gets injured. The one year extension was a safe/easy play from the Front office.

Williams
10-04-2010, 12:38 PM
Brees/Rivers?

If Orton keeps this up, I don't see how you can let the guy walk.

Bingo.

go_broncos
10-04-2010, 12:39 PM
If Orton is playing well, then Tebow has to sit.
It's a good situation to be in.

Swedish Extrovert
10-04-2010, 12:40 PM
Aaron Rodgers sat on the bench for three years. Wouldn't bother me if Tebow did the same. And if Tebow is a quality backup for six years behind a Pro Bowl-level Orton, I could live with that as well. This discussion is best had in the 2012 training camp.

This.

Tebow is in a great situation. He can be fully developed by the time he starts.

There has been a lot of comparison of Tebow to Steve Young.

If this success continues, Tebow can be our Young to Orton's Montana.

cmhargrove
10-04-2010, 12:46 PM
Every expert out there thought Tebow would really benefit from being the #2 for a couple seasons before taking the reigns. Now, it looks like we might have that luxury.

What's the issue?

azbroncfan
10-04-2010, 12:50 PM
Tebow should just become a QB sneak specialist.

Swedish Extrovert
10-04-2010, 12:52 PM
Come to think of it....

They criticized Montana for a dink-and-dunk style and inability to throw down field. Just like Orton. He ignored them and did it anyway. Just like Orton. Now all we need is some Super Bowls.

On the other side, Young was a left-handed, bruising runner from a conservative religious family with raw skills that were honed over several years. Sound familiar?

The Broncos of the 2010's will be the 49ers of the 90's

:D

BroncoDoug
10-04-2010, 12:55 PM
Come to think of it....

They criticized Montana for a dink-and-dunk style and inability to throw down field. Just like Orton. He ignored them and did it anyway. Just like Orton. Now all we need is some Super Bowls.

On the other side, Young was a left-handed, bruising runner from a conservative religious family with raw skills that were honed over several years. Sound familiar?

The Broncos of the 2010's will be the 49ers of the 90's

:D

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:6TstOqgTbl8DTM:http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2010/5/25/634104116959329305-CrackIsahellofadrug.jpg&t=1

that would be awesome if true though...

TheElusiveKyleOrton
10-04-2010, 12:58 PM
Come to think of it....

They criticized Montana for a dink-and-dunk style and inability to throw down field. Just like Orton. He ignored them and did it anyway. Just like Orton. Now all we need is some Super Bowls.

On the other side, Young was a left-handed, bruising runner from a conservative religious family with raw skills that were honed over several years. Sound familiar?

The Broncos of the 2010's will be the 49ers of the 90's

:D

From your keyboard to God's ears. Er, Tebow's ears.

footstepsfrom#27
10-04-2010, 12:59 PM
Let's see if Orton can even stay upright behind this line before we start annointing him as a top 5 QB. Orton is playing well inside a system meant to fit him, but as an offensive coach McDaniels is intrigued with the idea of a guy who can not just fit in the system but make plays on his own. At some point Tebow is on the field and don't rule next year out just because I wouldn't bet against him.

Having said that, him sitting and watching is the ideal situation here. He's been nearly anonomous lately, which is probably good for him and the team at this point.

Rabb
10-04-2010, 01:00 PM
I don't think anyone is anointing Orton anything. He is doing it all by himself, and nobody can argue that with 25% of the season over he is a top 5 QB this year.

Garcia Bronco
10-04-2010, 01:01 PM
This "dink and dunk" **** people are always complaining about is the West Coast Offense and it's won more Super Bowls than probably any offensive system.

PRBronco
10-04-2010, 01:03 PM
Haha oh man I totally thought that was a bleacherreport title.

Man-Goblin
10-04-2010, 01:05 PM
Then Tebow stays on the bench. It's not hard to figure out.

The issue isn't so much with Tebow as it is with Orton. In the next two years, the Broncos are going to improve their roster and inch closer to being contenders. Assuming Orton continues to play well, at the end of the 2011 season you're going to have several options that will pivotal to the franchise:



Let Orton walk and hand the keys to Tebow. Obviously with total uncertainty as to how he's going to perform. Probably the biggest gamble of all the options, especially if the Broncos continue to improve on the whole. And who knows who would sign him? You don't think the Chiefs or Raiders wish they had him right now?


Give Orton a mega-deal. He'll be almost 30, but will have proven he can run the offense. Tebow will still be young enough that he can take over at some point, but that's a lot of cash wrapped up in your starting QB and backup. Could also trade Tebow under this scenario, but I seriously doubt you recoup the 1st round pick you invested in him.


Franchise Orton (assuming there is a franchise tag). I would assume even Orton might be a little miffed having to work on a series of one year deals after performing well for 3 solid years in the offense. But assuming the Broncos are a solid team in 2012 and coming off a playoff appearance (if there are no playoffs in 2011 McDaniels might very well be gone anyway), you can either continue to start Orton or see what you have in Tebow with Orton as insurance.


Trade Orton and give the keys to Tebow. Again, a major gamble if you're a good team, but if they're comfortable with rolling the dice with Tebow who knows at that point how much Orton could be worth on the open market? Maybe they can trade him to Chicago for 2 1sts.

~Crash~
10-04-2010, 01:05 PM
Come to think of it....

They criticized Montana for a dink-and-dunk style and inability to throw down field. Just like Orton. He ignored them and did it anyway. Just like Orton. Now all we need is some Super Bowls.

On the other side, Young was a left-handed, bruising runner from a conservative religious family with raw skills that were honed over several years. Sound familiar?

The Broncos of the 2010's will be the 49ers of the 90's

:D

If true we really need Rodger Craig and a TE....:sunshine:

Mr.Meanie
10-04-2010, 01:06 PM
Why is this an issue? The only way Tebow sees the field this year or next year is if Orton gets badly injured.

Archer81
10-04-2010, 01:14 PM
Denver has 99 problems but a QB is not one...

HOLLA...

http://tinyurl.com/264h2zx

:Broncos:

Old Dude
10-04-2010, 01:18 PM
What a terrible situation to be in, other teams are probably laughing at the Broncos.

I tried to top this, but I got nothin.

DomCasual
10-04-2010, 01:19 PM
This thread is stupid. Why would we ever get rid of our spiritual leader to keep our quarterback? Did someone make this a zero-sum game, without telling me? ???

bronclvr
10-04-2010, 01:26 PM
Why is this an issue? The only way Tebow sees the field this year or next year is if Orton gets badly injured.

Maybe I'm being a fatalist here, but I'm a bit worried about Ray Lewis and the rest of the thugs on that Team-if they hurt Orton are you comfortable with Quinn or Tebow in there? I'm not yet-

Mr.Meanie
10-04-2010, 01:27 PM
Maybe I'm being a fatalist here, but I'm a bit worried about Ray Lewis and the rest of the thugs on that Team-if they hurt Orton are you comfortable with Quinn or Tebow in there? I'm not yet-

I unjinx your jinx

vancejohnson82
10-04-2010, 01:50 PM
"obligatory Peyton Hills comment"

The Moops
10-06-2010, 04:41 AM
PLAY TEBOW!

At least when you need 1 yard . . .

TDmvp
10-06-2010, 04:51 AM
"obligatory Peyton Hills comment"

NEVER FORGET !!!

http://themilehighsalute.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/peytonhillis.jpg
:strong::strong::strong:
Hilarious!

The Joker
10-06-2010, 05:01 AM
Posted this in another thread, think it applies here...

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It's pretty simple stuff.

In Orton we have a good QB. He'll never be an elite QB, but he's the kind of guy who won't lose you games on his own and he'll give you a chance in most games.

Tebow could be one of the all time greats or a complete flame out. It's hard to say at this point, but with a QB coach like McD he's got as good a chance as he could ask for.

In two years time, we'll know what we have in Tebow. If he puts it together and McD thinks he can thrive in this system, we tag and trade Orton to the highest bidder and move forward with TT and use the picks to improve the rest of the team. If he doesn't make the adjustments necessary to succeed in the pros, we sign Orton to an extension and we move forward with him still as our more than competent QB.

This is what will happen, any other discussion on the matter is superfluous.

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If we had to make a decision on it now, I would agree that it's a tough situation to be in. But that's the point, we don't have to decide anything yet.

Tebow can ride the pine for two, maybe even three, years before we'll have to make a final decision on the matter. At some point in the next couple of years, it's going to become apparent to McD that Tebow either is or isn't going to be a quality NFL quarterback. And he'll act accordingly.

Say what you will about McDaniels, but the guy clearly knows more about the QB position than everyone on this board put together. I trust him implicitly to make the right call on the matter.

broncogary
10-06-2010, 05:17 AM
This.

Tebow is in a great situation. He can be fully developed by the time he starts.

There has been a lot of comparison of Tebow to Steve Young.

If this success continues, Tebow can be our Young to Orton's Montana.

OrtonNextMontana.

That sounds like a good handle.

I wonder if it's taken. Ha!

strafen
10-06-2010, 05:52 AM
This.

Tebow is in a great situation. He can be fully developed by the time he starts.

There has been a lot of comparison of Tebow to Steve Young.

If this success continues, Tebow can be our Young to Orton's Montana.

WTF?!!!!
You're comparing Orton to Montana?
Get thet F out of here!!! LOLROFL!:strong:Hilarious!

strafen
10-06-2010, 05:55 AM
Why is this an issue? The only way Tebow sees the field this year or next year is if Orton gets badly injured.If McDaniles made crappy QB's like Cassel and Orton look like all-world, then imagine what he can do with Tebow.

tsiguy96
10-06-2010, 06:05 AM
mcschism, orton is playing like a top 5 QB right now. if he can keep it up through the year is another matter, but the purpose of this post is, what if he does?

The Joker
10-06-2010, 07:46 AM
mcschism, orton is playing like a top 5 QB right now. if he can keep it up through the year is another matter, but the purpose of this post is, what if he does?

If he plays like this for two full seasons and is among the best QB's in the league we sign him up long term, no doubt.

I just don't think he will, though. I hope I'm wrong, he's an easy guy to root for and I'd love nothing more than for him to put it all together and become one of the elite QB's in the game. I just don't think he has quite THAT level of ability.

If he does then you trade Tebow for whatever you can get. He'll have significant value with his level of talent and two years of learning from one of the premier QB coaches in the league.

coachmastermind
10-06-2010, 08:31 AM
Orton can be top 5 in any stats you want, but the only one that matters is wins, and I think he's 10-10 in the 20 games he's played in as a Bronco.

Reality Check-We have 2 huge games coming up, if we are 2-4 in two weeks, I think the tone of "Orton is the next Montana" changes dramatically- regardless of his QB rating.

tsiguy96
10-06-2010, 08:42 AM
Orton can be top 5 in any stats you want, but the only one that matters is wins, and I think he's 10-10 in the 20 games he's played in as a Bronco.

Reality Check-We have 2 huge games coming up, if we are 2-4 in two weeks, I think the tone of "Orton is the next Montana" changes dramatically- regardless of his QB rating.

i dont agree at all. right now, we are at a time in bronco life that without orton, this team might struggle to win 4 games all year. with no running game to fall back on, it falls on the QBs shoulders to carry the game and score points, and hes done that.

Tombstone RJ
10-06-2010, 08:46 AM
kyle orton is playing like a top 5 QB in the NFL right now. hes a denver bronco in 2011 as well. if he keeps up this record of play all year, and into next year...do you just let him walk for a guy whos never played before?


people say its a good situation to have, but its not. you risk losing a guy whos playing at a pro bowl level and is literally the most important person on this team for someone whos the got the potential to be one of the best, but is unknown. say tebow does get the nod, does he go in during the '11 season to get real NFL experience? does he play this year if we get a blowout game sometime?

It's a good situation for the Broncos. You can never be too deep at QB. Neither Orton nor Tebow are prima donnas so their egos should not be a problem. McD has time to develop Tebow and he's got Orton around for this season and next season. Also, having Tebow as the #2 is not a bad thing considering Orton has a problem staying healthy.

PRBronco
10-06-2010, 08:47 AM
i dont agree at all. right now, we are at a time in bronco life that without orton, this team might struggle to win 4 games all year. with no running game to fall back on, it falls on the QBs shoulders to carry the game and score points, and hes done that.

Agreed. You could almost say he's our most valuable player ;)

Oh also mastermind I consider Orton having a 10-8 record. No decisions for the Redskins win that Simms threw away, and the cluster **** San Diego game KO was forced into because of Simms.

PRBronco
10-06-2010, 08:53 AM
It's a good situation for the Broncos. You can never be too deep at QB. Neither Orton nor Tebow are prima donnas so their egos should not be a problem. McD has time to develop Tebow and he's got Orton around for this season and next season. Also, having Tebow as the #2 is not a bad thing considering Orton has a problem staying healthy.

Exactly, if we find ourselves with 2 starting caliber QBs in a couple years, how is that a bad thing? You just molest a crappy desperate team in a trade and then we all dance with glee.

...and then start 8 new threads for every single positive thing he does for the rest of ****ing career. But we can deal with that.

Baba Booey
10-06-2010, 09:02 AM
Wildcat with Tebow

titan
10-06-2010, 09:28 AM
I wonder with an 18 game schedule looming if McD will be more inclined to keep both Orton and Tebow on the team for a few seasons. As others have mentioned Orton hasn't been the most durable qb in the past.

bronco militia
10-06-2010, 09:30 AM
...and then start 8 new threads for every single positive thing he does for the rest of ****ing career. But we can deal with that.

Ha!Ha!

Spider
10-06-2010, 09:34 AM
How is Tebow even an Issue right now ?

ZachKC
10-06-2010, 09:38 AM
This.

Tebow is in a great situation. He can be fully developed by the time he starts.

There has been a lot of comparison of Tebow to Steve Young.

If this success continues, Tebow can be our Young to Orton's Montana.

Wow.

PRBronco
10-06-2010, 09:39 AM
How is Tebow even an Issue right now ?

Right?? That's why I figured this was a bleacherreport article.

Spider
10-06-2010, 09:39 AM
Right?? That's why I figured this was a bleacherreport article.

;D ....... thought I missed something

PRBronco
10-06-2010, 09:40 AM
Wow.

Right? ****ing Bronco fans all up in your epic undefeated Chiefs forum, wtf?

ZachKC
10-06-2010, 09:45 AM
Right? ****ing Bronco fans all up in your epic undefeated Chiefs forum, wtf?

Regardless of team affiliation.

Tebow and Orton were just compared to Young and Montana.

srphoenix
10-06-2010, 09:49 AM
Since Orton was extended my guess was they knew he was talented, and more importantly knew they wanted to get value for him after this year. I think their plan all along is to trade him at the end of the year giving Tebow a year of learning, Quinn a year of learning to be a solid backup in our system and Orton the chance to show off enough to get a contract elsewhere and give us some decent draft picks.

So far it looks like the plan is working great, of course they could have just thought, lets give ourselves as many options as possible at the most important position on the field. Why wait 8 years one year after another to find your starter when you can bring three of them in at once and see which one pans out the best, then find spots for the others or trade them. Either way this is a good situation to be in.

Popps
10-06-2010, 10:06 AM
Not only is Kyle the QB, this Kyle's TEAM. He's carrying us right now.

I love Tebow, and I'd actually like to see us get him in the game somehow... but I'm sure when he's ready, our staff will do just that.

Until then, I'm going to enjoy watching Orton develop more every week.

Greatspirits
10-06-2010, 10:08 AM
Lets get to the playoffs first, before discussing anyone's future!!

Broncos_OTM
10-06-2010, 01:58 PM
Wow.

The comparrison didnt start on this board it was started by players who actually played in this leauge.

WOW, another cheif loss.

Bronco_Fan_27
10-06-2010, 08:12 PM
I don't think this is as bad a situation as some are making it out to be.. If anybody knows how to deal with a QB situation it's mcdaniels.. If Orton keeps up this play through the season theres no doubt he gets a big extension and Tebow will just have to get used to this..

Think of this as the Favre/Rodgers situation.. If Tebow sits on the sidelines with a clipboard for 5 or 6 seasons and completely masters the system, by the time it's his turn he could be an amazing QB with all the tools needed to be an elite player.. I don't have a problem with this situation at all

footstepsfrom#27
10-06-2010, 08:31 PM
kyle orton is playing like a top 5 QB in the NFL right now. hes a denver bronco in 2011 as well. if he keeps up this record of play all year, and into next year...do you just let him walk for a guy whos never played before?
Yep...you do. Tebow is gonne be THAT good.

TailgateNut
10-07-2010, 03:13 AM
Yep...you do. Tebow is gonne be THAT good.


:spit:

oubronco
10-07-2010, 06:10 AM
Ortons lighting it up > Tebow is holding a clipboard

Whats to discuss