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Rohirrim
10-03-2010, 07:42 PM
This is a thread where you can put up your favorite draft pick for the Broncos week by week. This is week four, so you can see who you favor early in the season compared to who you want once the season comes to an end. Feel free to change your favorite prospective pick from week to week. That's the whole point. Here's the player I would most like to see drafted after the Titans game:

Allen Bradford, RB, USC, 6' 0", 225, 4.5 forty

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A big guy who runs straight downhill and is very fast and hard to bring down. Very impressive Saturday against Washington.

ELEVATION
10-04-2010, 09:01 AM
DE JJ WATT or DE CAMERON JORDAN
DE/OLB BRUCE MILLER or DE/OLB ADRIAN ROBINSON
RB DEREK LOCKE or RB DARELL SCOTT
ILB BRAD JEFFERSON

Traveler
10-05-2010, 12:36 PM
Cameron Heyward or Demarco Murray

oubronco
10-08-2010, 07:01 PM
Travis Lewis ILB Oklahoma

NFLBRONCO
10-10-2010, 02:53 PM
DE DE first and second ILB Third

Rohirrim
10-22-2010, 08:31 AM
Lamichael James looks pretty good if Knowshon can't find a way to stay healthy:

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OBF1
10-22-2010, 04:15 PM
[QUOTE=Rohirrim;2977562]Lamichael James looks pretty good if Knowshon can't find a way to stay healthy:

5-9 185 too small

McDman
10-26-2010, 05:13 PM
Tim Tebow's brother, Jim Tebow.

phibacka31
11-13-2010, 06:35 PM
I know it's early, but I really like that Lattimore kid from South Carolina. Runs real hard! Marcus Lattimore!
Another guy I like is another Gamecock. WR Alshon Jeffery. Big guy with great hands! Only a Sophmore.

Just two guys that I think would be great to look at if they keep up what they've done early in their careers!:strong:

oubronco
11-17-2010, 06:17 PM
Von Miller, OLB, Texas A&M
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Von Miller | OLB | Texas A&M
6'2" 232lbs
4.56
Senior

Miller is a pass-rusher extraordinare for the Texas A&M Aggies defense. With great size and speed for the position, Miller's talents project best to outside linebacker in a 3-4 defense at the NFL level.

oubronco
11-17-2010, 06:18 PM
J.J. Watt, DE, Wisconsin
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J.J. Watt | DE | Wisconsin
6'6" 290lbs
4.87
Junior
The 3-4 defense has become the preferred defensive scheme for most NFL defensive coordinators, and with that shift in methodology comes a shift in the types of players drafted. In today's NFL Watt is a premier defensive end prospect for the 3-4 defense. Long, lean, strong and fast; Watt is ideal for the three man front.

oubronco
11-17-2010, 06:19 PM
Cameron Jordan, DE, California
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Cameron Jordan | DE | California
6'4" 285lbs
4.85
Senior


Jordan has quickly risen to the top of most draft boards with a very impressive senior season. Seen as a potential tackle or end, depending on the defensive front used. Jordan has the talent to be a top 10 pick, much like Tyson Alualu last season.

oubronco
11-17-2010, 06:20 PM
Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama
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Marcell Dareus | DT | Alabama
6'3" 309lbs
4.95
Junior

Dareus has talent to be the first overall pick in either the 2011 or 2012 NFL Draft, but his production has not been what you would expect from a top pick. He has excellent size, strength and speed but his motor doesn't seem to run on every play.

oubronco
11-17-2010, 06:21 PM
Nick Fairley, DT, Auburn
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Nick Fairley | DT | Auburn
6'4" 298lbs
4.93
Junior

As the Auburn Tigers have surprised everyone this season to become one of the best teams in the country, Fairley has also risen. Fairley is currently ranked as our top defensive tackle, and for good reason. Few players in the NCAA have been as dominant on defense this season.

oubronco
11-17-2010, 06:23 PM
Allen Bailey, DE, Miami (FL)
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Allen Bailey | DE | Miami (FL)
6'4" 285lbs
4.79
Senior

One of our favorite college football players to watch, Bailey is a terror for opposing offenses. A defensive tackle/end hybrid, Bailey could play any position along the defensive line in the NFL. His value and versatility, combined with freakish speed, will make him a very high draft pick.

oubronco
11-17-2010, 06:24 PM
Robert Quinn, DE, North Carolina
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Robert Quinn | DE | North Carolina
6'5" 268lbs
4.64
Junior (ineligible)
Quinn had the chance to be the first player taken this April, but he lost that when he accepted over $5,600 in improper benefits from an agent and was ruled ineligible permanently. All of that aside, Quinn is incredibly talented. His stock will suffer from a lack of film and play in 2010, but he is too talented to fall very far.

oubronco
11-17-2010, 06:26 PM
Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson
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Da'Quan Bowers | DE | Clemson
6'4" 275lbs
4.64
Junior

Bowers is among the most physically gifted players we have ever had the pleasure of scouting. He has a rare blend of size, speed, agility and toughness. While some defensive ends are fast, they are often soft and timid. Bowers is one of the few with speed to run down running backs, but the toughness to mix it up with tackles.

oubronco
11-17-2010, 06:28 PM
Adrian Clayborn, DE, Iowa
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Adrian Clayborn | DE | Iowa
6'3" 286lbs
4.79
Senior
Clayborn, our top defensive end for the 2011 draft, does not have the crazy speed of Da'Quan Bowers or the pure play-making skills of Allen Bailey. What he does have is a motor that never stops, an ability to play tackle or end and a consistency that is rare in defensive linemen. Clayborn is not the most athletically talented end, but he is the best football player.

oubronco
11-17-2010, 06:29 PM
Which one of those D-linemen would you prefer?

Rohirrim
11-17-2010, 07:24 PM
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gyldenlove
11-18-2010, 09:14 PM
Which one of those D-linemen would you prefer?

Paea, he has a strength - explosion combination that is almost as good as Suh, he has size and an a motor that goes like the energizer bunny. He takes double teams all the time and still produces, I would love him on either the outside or inside in 3-4 at 312 lbs now, he could definitely go up to 330 if needed or just stay around 310 and be a DE.

driver
11-21-2010, 06:07 AM
It's early sunday 11-20-10 watched the Neb. vs A&m game last evening. Saw some very Impressive players.
LB.. Von Miller. CB.. Amakamura, DE.. P Smith. RB Helu jr. Miller and Amakamura are 1st rounders.

Is anyone here concerned about the draft picks we've given up in the mid rounds besides me? Do you think we need to do do some trading after the season ends to stockpile picks?

Requiem
11-22-2010, 01:39 PM
Well, we have an extra second rounder.

I'm not sure where we exactly stand everywhere else.

More picks would be great.

driver
11-23-2010, 02:48 PM
Well, we have an extra second rounder.

I'm not sure where we exactly stand everywhere else.

More picks would be great.


I'm wondering if they're going to resign Champ? DJ? Dawkins?
Champ and DJ should bring a 2 &4. Imo Dawkins a 4-5 at least.
What do you think?

Requiem
11-23-2010, 04:05 PM
Champ is a free agent, why would he do a sign and trade?

We have an option on Dawkins, I'm not sure we pick it up. At this point, why would anybody trade for an over-the-hill safety when they can probably just pick him up on the wire?

Williams? Not sure he would be traded either. Possibly, because of potential suspension, but he isn't going to garner a high selection. He is a good football player, not great or spectacular, but I don't see how moving him helps the team.

driver
11-23-2010, 10:13 PM
Champ is a free agent, why would he do a sign and trade?

We have an option on Dawkins, I'm not sure we pick it up. At this point, why would anybody trade for an over-the-hill safety when they can probably just pick him up on the wire?

Williams? Not sure he would be traded either. Possibly, because of potential suspension, but he isn't going to garner a high selection. He is a good football player, not great or spectacular, but I don't see how moving him helps the team.

Just for the picks, this draft is loaded w/ good DE's and LB's, haven't seen any good safeties or good DT's. & only 1 good corner.
there are some good RB's to.

Requiem
11-26-2010, 08:11 PM
This is a great draft for 3-4 DL and there are plenty of solid corners.

NFLBRONCO
11-26-2010, 09:45 PM
I still say DE CB is top two routes Denver should go IF they stay in top 10.

mattob14
11-28-2010, 10:43 AM
I've seen probably his best two games of the year now, but JJ Watt has been the best player on the field when I've watched Wisconsin. He's big, uses his hands well, makes plays behind the line of scrimmage, and has even blocked a few kicks this year. Better yet, he's a guy who seems to have a non-stop motor and is an emotional leader of that defense. If he declares, I'd love to see Denver grab him in round 1 and make him a building block of the D.

RocBronc
11-28-2010, 07:59 PM
Right now Nick Fairly from Auburn is my pick...
Too bad we didn't need a WR... AJ Green, Julio Jones and Justin Blackmon all look very impressive. I also like Petersen from LSU and CB looks like a need (whether we bring back Champ or not)

If we end up picking farther down in RD 1 Adrian Clayborn would be sweet...

Carmelo15
11-28-2010, 11:18 PM
http://i.cdn.turner.com/sivault/multimedia/photo_gallery/1009/cfb.heisman.watch.week4/images/patrick-peterson.jpg

NFLBRONCO
11-28-2010, 11:29 PM
love the guy but, without a pass rush back to square 1

Carmelo15
11-28-2010, 11:52 PM
love the guy but, without a puss rush back to square 1

You don't think a healthy Elvis/Ayers duo would result in significant improvement?

NFLBRONCO
11-28-2010, 11:54 PM
You don't think a healthy Elvis/Ayers duo would result in significant improvement?

It would help sure but, I'd still love to add another one.

Rohirrim
11-29-2010, 10:54 AM
The way it's going now, the Broncos will have a legitimate shot at Clayborn, Dareus, Heyward or Bowers.

oubronco
11-29-2010, 12:00 PM
I'm all about drafting Defense and more Defense but that center for Wisconsin is a huge road grader

mattob14
11-29-2010, 06:16 PM
The way it's going now, the Broncos will have a legitimate shot at Clayborn, Dareus, Heyward or Bowers.

I was looking at that last night- it looks like Dareus should be a realistic option. Adding him and Doom to the front-7 next year would be HUGE! Heyward hasn't been bad this year, but his lack of pass-rushing skills and elite athleticism may limit his stock come draft day. I wonder if Denver could double-up with DE's, grabbing Dareus and someone like Heyward. I'd love to see Dareus/Watt, but that seems like a pipe-dream without moving up at this point.

driver
11-29-2010, 07:48 PM
love the guy but, without a puss rush back to square 1

Think we've got that down pat.:thanku:

driver
11-29-2010, 07:57 PM
I was looking at that last night- it looks like Dareus should be a realistic option. Adding him and Doom to the front-7 next year would be HUGE! Heyward hasn't been bad this year, but his lack of pass-rushing skills and elite athleticism may limit his stock come draft day. I wonder if Denver could double-up with DE's, grabbing Dareus and someone like Heyward. I'd love to see Dareus/Watt, but that seems like a pipe-dream without moving up at this point.

Just looking at the current standings (NFL) Panther have 1st pick locked up.
Bengals 2nd. the Lions,Bills Cards, 9er's,Cowboys all going to win 1 more, so I think we end up with the 3rd pick. Question do we use it or trade back for more picks?

Requiem
11-30-2010, 02:22 PM
Roh,

Heyward has played like dog poop this year. Not a choice for us that early.

Rohirrim
11-30-2010, 02:47 PM
Roh,

Heyward has played like dog poop this year. Not a choice for us that early.

Who do you think is the most disruptive pass rusher coming out?

Requiem
11-30-2010, 03:25 PM
You mean at 3-4 DE?

Those guys aren't going to put up those kind of numbers in the NFL.

Best pass rusher, IMHO -- Von Miller. 3-4 OLB nightmare.

PRBronco
11-30-2010, 04:43 PM
I think Clayborn will be my personal favourite for now. I will spearhead the Gay for Clay 2011 Movement.

mattob14
11-30-2010, 07:21 PM
Just looking at the current standings (NFL) Panther have 1st pick locked up.
Bengals 2nd. the Lions,Bills Cards, 9er's,Cowboys all going to win 1 more, so I think we end up with the 3rd pick. Question do we use it or trade back for more picks?

If Denver ends up at #3, they'll probably stay there out of necessity. I doubt they'd find a trade partner unless either Luck or Mallett were there and someone was convinced they were a franchise QB. I think they'd probably try to move back if at all possible, though.

Baba Booey
12-01-2010, 12:03 PM
http://www.milehighreport.com/2010/11/30/1842787/sayres-first-official-2011-denver-broncos-mock-draft

A very interesting take on the offseason. He seems to think some or all of Champ, DJ, Dawkins, and Hill (no surprise with him) could be gone. He has us trading down from 7 to 12, then from 12 to 19 and taking Paea.

He also has us trading Orton to the Vikings for a 2nd and a 2012 conditional pick.

1. Stephen Paea, NT, Oregon State
2. Jimmy Smith, CB, Colorado
3. J.J. Watt, DE, Wisconsin
4. Kyle Rudolph, TE, Notre Dame
5. Dontay Moch, DE/OLB, Nevada
6. Jaiquawn Jarrett, S, Temple
7. Joseph Barksdale, OL, LSU
8. Greg McElroy, QB, Alabama
9. Adrian Taylor, DL, Oklahoma
10. Ryan Winterswyk, DE/OLB, Boise State

Love the Paea pick. I think he could be a force in this league after learning from Williams for a year.

This draft would add a ton of depth to the front seven, as well as some athleticism to the secondary. Rudolph would give Tebow a stud pass-catching TE to throw to in the future.

Thoughts?

Requiem
12-01-2010, 02:46 PM
Not bad, but not great considering the Madden like twists and turns.

Rohirrim
12-01-2010, 03:38 PM
Paea seems to be about the only guy with the size to play in a 3/4. None of the DEs have the protypical Richard Seymour size. They all look more like LBs. If we're talking a bookend for Doom, I think a slimmed down Clayborn would be the way to go. He plays with the intensity of Alualu. We really need that.

Requiem
12-01-2010, 07:45 PM
What?

There are plenty of DE's in this class with great size, ability or experience to play in a 3-4. There are also plenty of DT's (not necessarily NT) that can flip out and play either side as well.

Rohirrim
12-02-2010, 06:57 AM
What?

There are plenty of DE's in this class with great size, ability or experience to play in a 3-4. There are also plenty of DT's (not necessarily NT) that can flip out and play either side as well.

To me, the prototypical DE for the position is Richard Seymour, 6'6", 310. I don't see anybody in the top two rounds that comes close. They're all in the 270 to 280 range.

underrated29
12-02-2010, 10:39 AM
fairley...Man beast and I dream about him on our team. We can probably land heyward or watt with our first 2nd rounder.

Requiem
12-02-2010, 08:53 PM
To me, the prototypical DE for the position is Richard Seymour, 6'6", 310. I don't see anybody in the top two rounds that comes close. They're all in the 270 to 280 range.

Seymour was a 4-3 defensive tackle in college and played his first year in the NFL as a 4-3 DT. He was also 10-15 pounds lighter than he was coming out of college back then. I agree, it is nice to have a bigger frame that you can grow into and he certainly had that.

Cameron Jordan is 6'4 - 285 -- one of the best DE prospects for the 3-4 coming out this year, and in my eyes has played consistently enough to be taken ahead of Clayborn or Heyward.

Adrian Clayborn is going to be a little under 6'4, but his weight will be in the mid 280's -- he is probably maxed out, but that still is not terrible.

Cameron Heyward has the Seymour height and frame, he is about 290 pounds right now and can definitely pack more. I just wish he would have been more consistent this year.

Clayborn's teammate Christian Ballard is at 6'4 - 298 -- and has played very well for the Hawkeyes this year. He is a nasty guy and tough at the POA. I think he is a second round guy with his versatility.

And those are just senior ends, not including junior ends or senior defensive tackles or ends that have the size and ability to play in the 3-4.

Size is important, but rather than get a little too crazy about it, knowing whether or not these guys can hold their ground at the 5 in a 3 man front is the real key. Most all those guys are stalwarts at the POA. Trust me Ro, there are plenty of options in the top two to three rounds to address our defensive line.

Rohirrim
12-03-2010, 02:20 PM
I guess if I had to pick one player right now who I think would help the Broncos the most next year, it would have to be Stephen Paea, and then use the 2nd rounder on the best DE (or S - DeAndre McDaniel?) available.

PRBronco
12-03-2010, 02:26 PM
I guess if I had to pick one player right now who I think would help the Broncos the most next year, it would have to be Stephen Paea, and then use the 2nd rounder on the best DE (or S - DeAndre McDaniel?) available.

I would never count on a nose tackle to help immediately :( They always seem to need a year or two to really contribute. Really sucks that we haven't had one waiting in the wings and learning for...well, ever.

Paea is a bit of an older guy though isn't he? That probably works in his favour. He's pretty squatty, are his arms long enough to be effective in the pros?

PRBronco
12-03-2010, 02:28 PM
Regarding the top 2 corners, the kid from LSU and the one named Prince (haha sorry I'm really not in draft mode yet), is there any possibility of either switching to safety? This team is dying for a centre fielder with range.

Requiem
12-03-2010, 04:18 PM
Patrick Peterson is a candidate for safety too, can play either. Might depend upon how well he does in drills though. He can do it all, run support, coverage and he is a returner. Definitely a top five talent no doubt.

At this point in time, Peterson and Prince would be fine with me if we were able to draft them, especially if Bailey or other veterans like Hill or Dawkins get axed.

snowspot66
12-03-2010, 05:54 PM
I would never count on a nose tackle to help immediately :( They always seem to need a year or two to really contribute. Really sucks that we haven't had one waiting in the wings and learning for...well, ever.

Paea is a bit of an older guy though isn't he? That probably works in his favour. He's pretty squatty, are his arms long enough to be effective in the pros?

That's the wonderful thing about having a defense as atrocious as ours is. Damn near any first rounder we take should receive significant playing time and be a contributor.

I'll be really disappointed if our four picks in the first three rounds aren't starters or contributors next season. Our talent level is so bad it's almost impossible to not come in and contribute.

gyldenlove
12-03-2010, 08:14 PM
Right now I want either one of the top corners or Dareus or Fairley. We definitely need a defender and we can get prime defensive line talent, look at the year Suh is having, he is a pro bowler as a rookie, I want me some of that.

NFLBRONCO
12-03-2010, 09:08 PM
Right now I want either one of the top corners or Dareus or Fairley.

This is how I see it as well. The two DE's are jr's so they might not declare.

Carmelo15
12-05-2010, 09:06 PM
If Patrick Patterson is available with our pick we have no choice but to take him. He is a supreme talent at his position the way that Suh was last year. He would start immediately and with Champ looking like he's gone that will be a huge hole to fill.

If Patterson is not available then I think the Broncos would be better off trading down. Dareus, Fairley and Paea are good but if we can move back about 10 spots we can still land a guy like Adrian Clayborn, Allen Bailey, Cameron Jordan or Cameron Heyward. I expect the one of those guys to drop to the late 1st/early 2nd due to the depth at the position.

The best way to go is to get the best value at our biggest needs (DE, NT, CB, S, ILB) because we need so much help on that side of the ball you have to take best player available at one of those positions.

I'm hoping we can get a 2nd for Kyle Orton from a team in need of a veteran QB. Minnesota and Arizona come to mind. That would give us 5 picks in the first 3 rounds to upgrade our defense. I hope it shakes out like this:

1. Patrick Patterson CB, LSU
2a. Jerrell Powe NT, Ole Miss
2b. Cameron Heyward DE, Ohio State
2c. Deunta Williams S, UNC
3. Quad Sturdivant ILB, UNC

If Patterson is not available at our first pick then something like this would be ideal:
1. Marcel Dareus DE, Alabama
2a. Jerrell Powe NT, Ole Miss
2b. Deunta Williams FS, UNC
2c. Jimmy Smith CB, Colorado
3. Quad Sturdivant ILB, UNC

Requiem
12-05-2010, 09:25 PM
Carmelo, I like those drafts a heck of a lot. Good work, mang.

NFLBRONCO
12-05-2010, 09:31 PM
Just for kicks what do we do if none of the top jr's declare

underrated29
12-05-2010, 11:51 PM
That is nice set of picks. I would not complain one bit if it shook out like that.

This is how I have things as of right now.

1-fairley-DE
2-robert sands-S
2b- Cameron Jordan-DE
3-Shareece Wright- CB
6- Derrick Locke-RB (fast as ****!)
7- Shaun Chapas-FB

oubronco
12-06-2010, 08:19 AM
Just for kicks what do we do if none of the top jr's declare

Draft the BPA thats in the draft?

driver
12-07-2010, 09:47 PM
This is a great draft for 3-4 DL and there are plenty of solid corners.

You're right about the dt's in this draft, some really good one;s like paea. But we need a lot more than 1 dt. Ayers, Doom, Mays, are decent players but with Champ not extended DJ's off field problems, we're in real deep KIMSHI,
There is a team that needs to draft a QB real bad, Tenn. for a chance at Luck or the kid from Wa. they might give up a 2 or 3 and some future picks. I'm not sure about Miami's or Minn's qb situation either. could be some trading done.

phibacka31
12-10-2010, 02:00 AM
Ok so I think we need an upgrade in the TE department and I really like

DJ Williams TE Arkansashttp://pictopia.com/perl/get_image?provider_id=532&size=550x550_mb&ptp_photo_id=6282836

gunns
12-11-2010, 08:44 AM
If Patrick Patterson is available with our pick we have no choice but to take him. He is a supreme talent at his position the way that Suh was last year. He would start immediately and with Champ looking like he's gone that will be a huge hole to fill.

If Patterson is not available then I think the Broncos would be better off trading down. Dareus, Fairley and Paea are good but if we can move back about 10 spots we can still land a guy like Adrian Clayborn, Allen Bailey, Cameron Jordan or Cameron Heyward. I expect the one of those guys to drop to the late 1st/early 2nd due to the depth at the position.

The best way to go is to get the best value at our biggest needs (DE, NT, CB, S, ILB) because we need so much help on that side of the ball you have to take best player available at one of those positions.

I'm hoping we can get a 2nd for Kyle Orton from a team in need of a veteran QB. Minnesota and Arizona come to mind. That would give us 5 picks in the first 3 rounds to upgrade our defense. I hope it shakes out like this:

1. Patrick Patterson CB, LSU
2a. Jerrell Powe NT, Ole Miss
2b. Cameron Heyward DE, Ohio State
2c. Deunta Williams S, UNC
3. Quad Sturdivant ILB, UNC

If Patterson is not available at our first pick then something like this would be ideal:
1. Marcel Dareus DE, Alabama
2a. Jerrell Powe NT, Ole Miss
2b. Deunta Williams FS, UNC
2c. Jimmy Smith CB, Colorado
3. Quad Sturdivant ILB, UNC

Those would have me salivating. How wonderful to stock the defense!

lookin' glass
12-11-2010, 09:00 PM
If Patrick Patterson is available with our pick we have no choice but to take him. He is a supreme talent at his position the way that Suh was last year. He would start immediately and with Champ looking like he's gone that will be a huge hole to fill.

If Patterson is not available then I think the Broncos would be better off trading down. Dareus, Fairley and Paea are good but if we can move back about 10 spots we can still land a guy like Adrian Clayborn, Allen Bailey, Cameron Jordan or Cameron Heyward. I expect the one of those guys to drop to the late 1st/early 2nd due to the depth at the position.

The best way to go is to get the best value at our biggest needs (DE, NT, CB, S, ILB) because we need so much help on that side of the ball you have to take best player available at one of those positions.

I'm hoping we can get a 2nd for Kyle Orton from a team in need of a veteran QB. Minnesota and Arizona come to mind. That would give us 5 picks in the first 3 rounds to upgrade our defense. I hope it shakes out like this:

1. Patrick Patterson CB, LSU
2a. Jerrell Powe NT, Ole Miss
2b. Cameron Heyward DE, Ohio State
2c. Deunta Williams S, UNC
3. Quad Sturdivant ILB, UNC

If Patterson is not available at our first pick then something like this would be ideal:
1. Marcel Dareus DE, Alabama
2a. Jerrell Powe NT, Ole Miss
2b. Deunta Williams FS, UNC
2c. Jimmy Smith CB, Colorado
3. Quad Sturdivant ILB, UNC

If Fairley is still there do you prefer Dareus to Fairley? If so, why?

strafen
12-12-2010, 08:10 AM
Which one of those D-linemen would you prefer?

It looks like there are good guys available with a lot of potential.
I personally haven't had the chance to look them up, but I will keep those names handy and check them out when they start playing bowl games...

Carmelo15
12-12-2010, 04:54 PM
If Fairley is still there do you prefer Dareus to Fairley? If so, why?

I would prefer Dareus, although I would be fine with either selection. The biggest reason is the way they would fit into a 3-4 scheme, which I'm hoping we continue to use.

Nick Fairley is a beast however he is more of a penetrating DT in the mold of a Gerald McCoy or Kevin Williams. He is certainly effective at getting into the backfield and disrupting plays, but that is not what a DE's role in the 3-4 is. I think he could still fit into a 3-4 scheme however it would take away some of his strengths so I don't believe we would be getting full value on him.

Marcel Dareus would have much less of an adjustment. Alabama runs a 3-4 so he already knows what his role would be in our defense. He is a well rounded player who can stuff the run and take on double teams, leaving the linebacker behind him free to make the play. He already plays five-technique at Alabama so it should be a perfect fit.

Obviously if we switch to a 4-3 then my stance would change but I think Dareus would fit nicely into this defense. Defensive lineman are known to take years to develop already, so lessening the learning curve by taking someone who already knows the 3-4 is a big help.

Having said that Patrick Peterson is my favorite player in the entire draft so I think we have to take him if we get the chance. There should be some nice defensive lineman available in the late first/second round who would fit nicely into a 3-4 as well. Allen Bailey, Cameron Heyward and J.J. Watt to name a few. The dropoff between them and a player like Marcel Dareus is much less than the difference between Patrick Peterson and any other CB in the draft not named Prince Amukurah. That's why I think we HAVE to take Peterson if we are lucky enough to be in position to. In my opinion he has the chance to be a special CB. Hall of fame type potential.

Boss Man
12-12-2010, 07:15 PM
At this point who no one even knows if we are going to stick with the 3-4 or go back to a 4-3.

In my opinion if we switch back to the 43 the pick has to be fairley. Him and newton are the sole reasons as to why auburn is as good as they are. There were times where fairley carried the entire defense on his back because he is ALWAYS harrasing the qb. In my mind its not even close between him and dareus (i was a huge dareus supporter), and i also believe Bowers is a better prospect at this point than dareus.

Whatever direction we decide to go we need to go with the best player avaliable, end of discussion. There is an argument to be made that we need to upgrade nearly every single position on this team.

I dont even know where to start at this point considering we dont even have coaches in place yet, much less know what type of schemes well be running.

We better not be trading back either unless it is an AMAZING deal, bottom line...we need playmakers. The fact that we got dismantled by a sorry ass cardinal team who was starting a 5th round rookie at QB and is all around one of the worst teams in the NFL, is just ***ing laughable...i dont even know what to say...sorry got a lil off track there.

Carmelo15
12-14-2010, 10:48 AM
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Broncos_OTM
12-15-2010, 08:26 PM
To me, the prototypical DE for the position is Richard Seymour, 6'6", 310. I don't see anybody in the top two rounds that comes close. They're all in the 270 to 280 range.

He didnt come out of college at that weight. He came out about 295 lbs if i remember right.. And remember these kids will fill out their bodies when they hit a good Strength coach in the NFL.

jebures
12-15-2010, 08:50 PM
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Me likey

NFLBRONCO
12-15-2010, 09:30 PM
Draft the BPA thats in the draft?

If none of the top jr's declare who do you take a 2 or 3?

PRBronco
12-15-2010, 09:32 PM
Me likey

I'm very interested in Patrick Peterson if he can switch to safety. A shutdown corner is nifty and nice to have, but very expensive. A rangy ballhawking safety that can tackle wins you games.

oubronco
12-16-2010, 07:43 AM
If none of the top jr's declare who do you take a 2 or 3?

I would take Dareus he is schooled in the 5 tech DE spot and excells at it, something this defense needs badly

Good D-line play makes everybody better

Rohirrim
12-16-2010, 11:47 AM
I'm very interested in Patrick Peterson if he can switch to safety. A shutdown corner is nifty and nice to have, but very expensive. A rangy ballhawking safety that can tackle wins you games.

I've seen a few people compare Peterson to Ed Reed.

NFLBRONCO
12-16-2010, 02:58 PM
I would take Dareus he is schooled in the 5 tech DE spot and excells at it, something this defense needs badly

Good D-line play makes everybody better

Yep just hope these guys declare

PRBronco
12-16-2010, 05:15 PM
I've seen a few people compare Peterson to Ed Reed.

It's boner time!

The Joker
12-17-2010, 05:21 AM
I'm very interested in Patrick Peterson if he can switch to safety. A shutdown corner is nifty and nice to have, but very expensive. A rangy ballhawking safety that can tackle wins you games.

He'll want to play corner though, and so he should because that's where the money is for him.

One possibility is that if we can resign Champ and draft Peterson we'd stick Peterson at FS for a couple of years and then switch them once Champ feel it's time to move to safety. If a rookie wage scale is in place by the time Peterson signs it could be a viable plan.

Ideally there'll be a premium D-Line talent available when we pick, but I'd have no problem with us taking a can't miss prospect like Peterson I must say. There'll still be quality D-Line talent available early in the 2nd.

Hamrob
12-18-2010, 11:16 AM
We had better take a front seven guy with our first pick...or heads will role!

The front 7 has killed this team for the past 10 seasons...now is the time to fix it. There are 3-4 guys who are worthy of a top 10 pick. We'll probably draft in the top 5. I'd love for us to trade back a few spots and pick up an extra 2nd round pick. We could still get out guy and really work to improve our overall depth with a blue chip front seven guy and 3 - 2nd rounders!!!

Ayers, Doom, DJW, Bannon are our keepers

We need an ILB, a NT and DE...all in the first 2 rounds.

We can improve the secondary, running game, Oline, special teams through the later rounds and free agency. We really need some blue chip guys for our front 7.

For the record...I don't think it will take more than 1-2 seasons to turn this around. We have a very young and talented offense...they will get better. Let's focus on Defense!!

Tim
12-19-2010, 08:23 PM
1. Patrick Peterson CB LSU
2a. Greg Romeus, DE, Pittsburgh
2b. Drake Nevis, DT, LSU
3. Noel Devine RB WV / Sam Acho, DE, Texas

Broncoman13
12-20-2010, 06:46 AM
Would love to get Noel Devine in the 3rd round... I think the guy can actually surprise people with his inside running and if a play breaks down he has super speed to get to the outside.

We need another RB. I'm not big on very many of the RBs in this class though. Ingram doesn't interest me, especially not in the first. Maybe if he was available in the 2nd I would have some interest, but he's probably the best RB in this draft so he'll go earlier than that.

This draft is stocked if you're in need of DL or OL. In fact, between the OL and DL, I think you can realistically expect to see 15-20 FIRST ROUND picks! Probably 6 or 7 OTs, a guard and a center. On defense, 4 or 5 DTs, 4 DEs/ROLBs.

ohiobronco2
12-20-2010, 01:21 PM
I don't watch too much SEC football, but I know the CB from LSU is a stud. Don't know too much about Fairley or the kid out of Clemson, but Watt from Wisconsin is a stud. I think he was a converted TE from a MAC school if memory serves me right. Mike Adams is a decent LT at OSU and he absolutely abused him.

nickademus
12-20-2010, 03:52 PM
IMHO we need to stay in the top 5 if we trade down.

NFLBRONCO
12-20-2010, 09:26 PM
IMHO we need to stay in the top 5 if we trade down.

Only way I want to trade down but, that depends on who actually declares. This draft could be ugly if 90% of the top jr's stay in school.

NFLBRONCO
12-21-2010, 11:38 AM
Do you think any of the DL this year are the same talent level as Suh? If yes take him if not trade down or go another direction.

nickademus
12-21-2010, 09:21 PM
fairly is on suh's level but he is more like the kid from oklahoma last year mccoy.

driver
12-22-2010, 01:53 PM
Just looking at Scott Wrights draft position board he has us with 2nd pick.
I don't know what the Broncos financial situation is but you are talking major bucks in that slot. I believe we need to trade down in the 12 to 15 range pick up extra picks in the second and third rounds. There are no dl players rated in the 10 or 9 range but lots of 7.5 to 8.5 guys. so we trade down, if Von miller is there grab him, if not take Powe, then go after Paea or romeus.

PRBronco
12-22-2010, 02:08 PM
Just looking at Scott Wrights draft position board he has us with 2nd pick.
I don't know what the Broncos financial situation is but you are talking major bucks in that slot. I believe we need to trade down in the 12 to 15 range pick up extra picks in the second and third rounds. There are no dl players rated in the 10 or 9 range but lots of 7.5 to 8.5 guys. so we trade down, if Von miller is there grab him, if not take Powe, then go after Paea or romeus.

False.

The new CBA will fix the ridiculous rookie contracts.

orinjkrush
12-22-2010, 02:30 PM
I've seen a few people compare Peterson to Ed Reed.

if thats true, sign me up. we coulda had reed. we coulda had stephen jackson. we coulda had maalauga (sp?)

driver
12-22-2010, 02:49 PM
False.

The new CBA will fix the ridiculous rookie contracts.

I really hope you're right, but I doubt it.

PRBronco
12-22-2010, 02:52 PM
I really hope you're right, but I doubt it.

I was under the impression that's about the only thing the two sides agree on. I dunno though, it's boring and depressing to follow so I can't say I'm terribly up to date on it.

beervan
12-22-2010, 03:30 PM
Our defense is the pits and we need to draft and plug some hole on the line

driver
12-23-2010, 09:12 PM
I was under the impression that's about the only thing the two sides agree on. I dunno though, it's boring and depressing to follow so I can't say I'm terribly up to date on it.

Me to but if there's money they're both going to end up fighting over it. We'll
probably end up w/o a season because of it. The history salary wise over the last few years is fairly consistent salary plus big fat signing bonus top 5 picks
20m plus depending on pos and length of contract. bottom of rnd 1 5mil with the same conditions. The hard part about trading out of the top 5 is a lot of teams don't want those fat contracts either.

Baba Booey
12-23-2010, 09:32 PM
Fairley or Peterson in the first.
Second round - Phil Taylor (NT/Baylor) and Eric Hagg (Safety/Nebraska) or Greg Jones (ILB/Mich State)
Third round - If we get Fairley in the first, then best CB available (Dowling, Johnny Patrick). If we get Peterson, then go for more DL depth (Sheard).

Boss Man
12-23-2010, 11:27 PM
my prediction...fairley will dominate in the national championship game...everyone will fall in love and want him...and i also fully support this...

i can understand people would want peterson, especially with his versatility in the return game...but lets face it we have had a dominant cb on this defense and it did little in proving a dominant defense...we have all been screeming to address the dline in the draft for years and this is the year that we need to do it.

RocBronc
12-24-2010, 02:55 PM
Who I want all depends on what defense we're running...

Assuming we're picking 2nd and Luck is gone...

If we stay in the 3-4:

1. Trade down as far as possible and take Darius

2. Take Petersen

If we switch to the 4-3:

1. Bowers or Fairley. I've seen Fairley play and I'm very impressed, need to see more film on Bowers but I've heard he's real good.

vercingetorix
12-24-2010, 04:02 PM
Who I want all depends on what defense we're running...

Assuming we're picking 2nd and Luck is gone...

If we stay in the 3-4:

1. Trade down as far as possible and take Darius

2. Take Petersen

If we switch to the 4-3:

1. Bowers or Fairley. I've seen Fairley play and I'm very impressed, need to see more film on Bowers but I've heard he's real good.

Getting pressure isnt restricted to the 4-3. Getting pressure like Bowers or Fairley has value independent of formation.

uplink
12-26-2010, 11:14 PM
If Carolina decides to stick with Clausen and Luck enters the draft, denver at #2 may get a lot of trade offers for the pick. Then the team would just flip the #2 with Carolina.

AZorange1
12-29-2010, 04:45 PM
Nick Fairley, DT, Auburn
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Nick Fairley | DT | Auburn
6'4" 298lbs
4.93
Junior

As the Auburn Tigers have surprised everyone this season to become one of the best teams in the country, Fairley has also risen. Fairley is currently ranked as our top defensive tackle, and for good reason. Few players in the NCAA have been as dominant on defense this season.

Just watched an ESPN draft special and he is rated #2 right now for good reason. 6-5" 300 lbs. gets doubled teamed on every play. And is "Mean" they say. Mean will work for me. Pretty exciting thought that he would free up a lane for a linebacker.

ohiobronco2
12-29-2010, 06:04 PM
Corey Liuget is killing Baylor right now. Another guy (like JJ Watt and Curry from Marshall) who had a big game against OSU. Guys a player.

Requiem
12-29-2010, 06:31 PM
Just watched an ESPN draft special and he is rated #2 right now for good reason. 6-5" 300 lbs. gets doubled teamed on every play. And is "Mean" they say. Mean will work for me. Pretty exciting thought that he would free up a lane for a linebacker.

Expect he is an elite prospect for a 4-3 DT. Everything he is good at translates to that. As a two-gap guy on a three man front, his great skills are erased. You don't spend a #2 overall on a guy who doesn't even project well as a 5 technique.

AZorange1
12-30-2010, 12:10 AM
Expect he is an elite prospect for a 4-3 DT. Everything he is good at translates to that. As a two-gap guy on a three man front, his great skills are erased. You don't spend a #2 overall on a guy who doesn't even project well as a 5 technique.

Didn't take that into consideration. Goes to show you that I am learning new stuff all the time from you guys.

Rohirrim
12-30-2010, 11:55 AM
Expect he is an elite prospect for a 4-3 DT. Everything he is good at translates to that. As a two-gap guy on a three man front, his great skills are erased. You don't spend a #2 overall on a guy who doesn't even project well as a 5 technique.

I doubt that he would have much trouble transitioning over. He certainly has the size for it. Maybe Wade Phillips becomes DC and we go to a one gap? ;D

Rohirrim
12-30-2010, 12:24 PM
This would be my favorite third round pick for the Broncos at RT:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1664030

OrangeSe7en
12-30-2010, 01:34 PM
Expect he is an elite prospect for a 4-3 DT. Everything he is good at translates to that. As a two-gap guy on a three man front, his great skills are erased. You don't spend a #2 overall on a guy who doesn't even project well as a 5 technique.

Not at all. He wouldnt be two gapping on passing downs. Passing downs is also where Peterson adds the most value. Its a choice between getting pressure and a DB who can make plays. Its not even a choice really.

Requiem
12-30-2010, 02:51 PM
Fairley makes sense for a guy like Dallas, who plays a lot of one-gap defense where he can rush the **** out of the OL in nickel packages. Until we know who our defensive coordinator is here and what we are going to do, Fairley just does not make sense for us in Denver. I'm sorry, he just doesn't. Most of the respectable draftniks and gurus out there have this guy pegged as an elite 4-3 UT. He's going to have real tough time at the 5 with how short is damn arms are.

OrangeSe7en
12-30-2010, 03:16 PM
Fairley makes sense for a guy like Dallas, who plays a lot of one-gap defense where he can rush the **** out of the OL in nickel packages. Until we know who our defensive coordinator is here and what we are going to do, Fairley just does not make sense for us in Denver. I'm sorry, he just doesn't. Most of the respectable draftniks and gurus out there have this guy pegged as an elite 4-3 UT. He's going to have real tough time at the 5 with how short is damn arms are.

No, once again, Peterson would help with the passing defense primarily. If you look at what the two positions provide in defending the pass, you have to look at the fact that on passing downs, Fairley wouldnt be two-gapping. Its better to get pressure on passing downs than to rely on elite CB play.

Requiem
12-30-2010, 03:21 PM
Hm, wonder what recently banned poster you are?

Lycan
12-31-2010, 01:33 AM
Right now I'm leaning towards Patrick Peterson in the first because I think he is a surefire star in the league, be it at CB or S. I also think the second round will be better for 3-4 DL value-wise.

gtown
01-01-2011, 12:13 PM
If we beat the chargers and move down in the draft get Dareus from Bama. Guy is a trained 5-tech. If we keep the #2 pick get Peterson and draft DL in the second and third.

oubronco
01-01-2011, 01:40 PM
If you've been watching the Bama game you can see why Dareus is going to be a top 5 pick he is an absolute beast

GoBroncos84
01-01-2011, 01:48 PM
I just came in here to post the same thing. Dareus is playing lights out in the bowl game. Unblockable.

Requiem
01-01-2011, 02:16 PM
Dareus is the only DL for the 3-4 I'd invest a pick in that high. He is an absolute monster. Peterson or Dareus FTW.

broncos-rock
01-01-2011, 02:55 PM
Mike Pouncey Scouting Report



Height & Weight: 6'5 - 320 lbs.
Ranked #33 on our Top 100 Prospects Board

2011 NFL Draft Prospect Scouting Report:
Mike Pouncey, OG, Florida
Pouncey played on the offensive line in high school, but he was moved to defensive tackle during his freshman season at Florida. A versatile lineman, Pouncey switched back to offensive guard prior to his sophomore campaign and, along with twin brother Maurkice, he has been a mainstay of Florida's offensive line ever since. Pouncey helped pave the way for a dynamic offense in 2008 en route to an undefeated season and National Championship. More of the same continued this season, even though 2009 ended in disappointment with a loss to Alabama in the SEC Championship. The Gator offense finished first in the conference in an incredible amount of categories, including total yards (5,751, or 442.4 per game), rushing yards (2,928), and rushing yards per carry (5.6). He was a Second Team All-SEC selection by the conference's coaches in 2008 and this season he was named to the All-SEC First Team by both the coaches and the media. Pouncey stands at 6'5 and 320 pounds, perhaps ever so slightly bigger than his brother, who has starred at center for the Gators. Mike is not quite as agile as Maurkice; Mike has been clocked at 5.29 in the 40-yard dash and generally runs in the 5.3s. He does not have the pass-blocking skills necessary to be an elite tackle in the NFL, but he has the ability to be a major force in the running game at guard. As for whether the junior will enter the 2010 NFL Draft, look no further than his mother, Lisa Webster. "They're staying put unless they hear first or second round," Webster said Mike and Maurkice. "That would change everything. They know they have my blessing to go if it's in the first or second round." That very well could mean the end of the Pouncey brothers in Gainesville, as they should be off the board no later than the end of the second round if they decide to leave early.
Last Updated Jan-09-2010 by Ricky Dimon

oubronco
01-01-2011, 03:00 PM
Dareus is the only DL for the 3-4 I'd invest a pick in that high. He is an absolute monster. Peterson or Dareus FTW.

It would be absolutely fantastic to come up with both Dareus and Fairley or Peterson and Dareus

Requiem
01-01-2011, 04:31 PM
It would be absolutely fantastic to come up with both Dareus and Fairley or Peterson and Dareus

Probably could never happen, but if we did a trade down and could get Dareus, I wouldn't mind moving back up into round one and getting another elite prospect coming out.

I'd just be stoked with Peterson or Dareus. I really like Cameron Jordan too, who could be had somewhere in the middle-to-late first IMHO.

I should start a thread with the underclassmen declarations, that would help all us draft lovers out.

oubronco
01-01-2011, 05:41 PM
That would be great req

NFLBRONCO
01-01-2011, 09:25 PM
Peterson is still my top choice

mhgaffney
01-02-2011, 01:37 AM
The best thing would be for Carolina to pass on Luck.

There would be a bidding war as other teams try to trade up. Denver would come out with two firsts and possibly more.

We might still get Peterson or Dareus.

OrangeSe7en
01-02-2011, 04:02 AM
I saw the Florida-Penn State game and couldnt help but think that someone like Ahmad Black could be good in the 3rd. The guy is a little undersized but has a great nose for the ball and could also possibly play some nickel CB.

ayjackson
01-02-2011, 08:38 AM
Dareus is the only DL for the 3-4 I'd invest a pick in that high. He is an absolute monster. Peterson or Dareus FTW.

I thought Dareus`arms are shorter than Fairley`s.

Think I`d rather have Fairley of the two - for two-gap or one-gap defence.

ayjackson
01-02-2011, 08:39 AM
I thought Dareus`arms are shorter than Fairley`s.

Think I`d rather have Fairley of the two - for two-gap or one-gap defence.

Having said that, taking Watt and Wilkerson in the second might be the better route.

nickademus
01-02-2011, 10:09 AM
If you've been watching the Bama game you can see why Dareus is going to be a top 5 pick he is an absolute beast

This bowl game was the second time I have seen Dareus and both thimes the dude was unblockable the other game was against LSU. I would take him in the top 5 and be happy.

Rohirrim
01-02-2011, 10:29 AM
This bowl game was the second time I have seen Dareus and both thimes the dude was unblockable the other game was against LSU. I would take him in the top 5 and be happy.

I remember trying to focus on Mount Cody last year and Dareus kept getting in the way. ;D

nickademus
01-02-2011, 11:29 AM
yea I have been watching tape the last few days (I have a friend who is a scout) and Dareus is a beast he reminds me of Richard Seamore with a mean streak.

oubronco
01-02-2011, 12:09 PM
yea I have been watching tape the last few days (I have a friend who is a scout) and Dareus is a beast he reminds me of Richard Seamore with a mean streak.

Dareus would be my pick and I don't care if it's #2 or #5 or wherever we are at just get it done

GoBroncos84
01-02-2011, 05:42 PM
Whether its Peterson, Dareus, Bowers, or Fairley... we just have to get it right. I'm very high on Dareus and Peterson and would expect one of those two players to be the pick. Ultimately I just want us to be right. We need an elite game-changing player. Picking this high we cannot fail to get one. That would set us back even further

Rohirrim
01-02-2011, 05:45 PM
I have to go with Fairley or Dareus. It was so clear from today's game that it is because of the line that we are giving up more big plays than any other NFL team. The worst gash came on a Sproles run right up the middle. It's the line. The line. :pity:

OrangeSe7en
01-02-2011, 05:54 PM
I have to go with Fairley or Dareus. It was so clear from today's game that it is because of the line that we are giving up more big plays than any other NFL team. The worst gash came on a Sproles run right up the middle. It's the line. The line. :pity:

The line gets no push on 3rd downs. Its like a shooting gallery for opposing QBs. Thats why Ive been saying Fairley based on what he represents on passing downs. Theyre all one gapping on passing downs.

ayjackson
01-02-2011, 05:58 PM
So are we drafting second?

It's an odd spot - I don't think anybody would look to trade into it. There'll be two d-lineman available and two corners, and one 3-4 OLB. I think I'll probably generate a preference between the four over the next few months, but as of now there all intriguing.

BroncoSojia
01-02-2011, 06:41 PM
This dude needs to be the pick...


http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSrrb6UcEQAwRAgwz1fM5fYo6XAa0iWu 7W40EivSya5w1CU2liF

OrangeSe7en
01-02-2011, 06:44 PM
This dude needs to be the pick...


http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSrrb6UcEQAwRAgwz1fM5fYo6XAa0iWu 7W40EivSya5w1CU2liF

Without a pass rush, he'll be overpaid.

BroncoSojia
01-02-2011, 06:57 PM
Without a pass rush, he'll be overpaid.

Well Doom is coming back next year..

It's not like the Dlineman we'd pick that high is going in and produce that right away, especially in the 3-4.

Now if we switch back the the 4-3 I can see us taking Bowers or Fairley that high, but if we stay their talents would be wasted.

Dareus I would be fine with if we traded down.

We should take Peterson because it's a need and he's a can't miss prospect. There are some good 3-4 D-line prospects we can look at in the late-first/second round part of the draft.

OrangeSe7en
01-02-2011, 07:09 PM
Well Doom is coming back next year..

It's not like the Dlineman we'd pick that high is going in and produce that right away, especially in the 3-4.
Now if we switch back the the 4-3 I can see us taking Bowers or Fairley that high, but if we stay their talents would be wasted.

Dareus I would be fine with if we traded down.

We should take Peterson because it's a need and he's a can't miss prospect. There are some good 3-4 D-line prospects we can look at in the late-first/second round part of the draft.

Perhaps, but thats all part of investing in the defensive line. In the long run, its more important to get guys who can get you a pass rush and if you can get a guy who can do it from the front 3, its a big bonus and counts for more than having a sexy DB.

The other guys have not demonstrated the ability to do what Fairley (or to a lesser degree Dareus) can do.

nickademus
01-02-2011, 07:20 PM
I want us to take dareus 1 heward with our #2 and then take powe with #2b it would be a brand new line. if we keep bannon and a few others it would be a good rotation. I like peterson but he would be a waste without a line in front of him. and after today I am not sold on ayers but maybe with elvis back he will look better. we need to sign a replacement for cox as he will be behind bars. IMHO we will franchise champ but with elway incharge I doubt that they will let him walk. We also need to see what it would take to get snipe harris from ny he will be a free agent but he may get tagged but it could be worth it. I also feel like we need to sign Logan Mankins to help with our o-line

OrangeSe7en
01-02-2011, 08:04 PM
I want us to take dareus 1 heward with our #2 and then take powe with #2b it would be a brand new line. if we keep bannon and a few others it would be a good rotation. I like peterson but he would be a waste without a line in front of him. and after today I am not sold on ayers but maybe with elvis back he will look better. we need to sign a replacement for cox as he will be behind bars. IMHO we will franchise champ but with elway incharge I doubt that they will let him walk. We also need to see what it would take to get snipe harris from ny he will be a free agent but he may get tagged but it could be worth it. I also feel like we need to sign Logan Mankins to help with our o-line

Mine would look similar 1. Fairley, 2a. Greg Jones, 2b. Jerrell Powe, 3. Ahmad Black

I would look into trading Orton, Ayers, and DJ. I like Harris too but I would look at Woodley.

Agamemnon
01-02-2011, 09:15 PM
Mine would look similar 1. Fairley, 2a. Greg Jones, 2b. Jerrell Powe, 3. Ahmad Black

I would look into trading Orton, Ayers, and DJ. I like Harris too but I would look at Woodley.

Ayers has virtually no trade value at the moment. We would probably get a 5th or 6th for the guy at best. Seems like a waste. Honestly Orton is the only guy there that really makes sense for us to trade.

nickademus
01-02-2011, 09:19 PM
I only like fairley if we are switching to a 4-3 Dareus has looked unblockable and he plays the 5tech where as Fairley is a UT in the warren sapp mold.

OrangeSe7en
01-02-2011, 09:32 PM
Ayers has virtually no trade value at the moment. We would probably get a 5th or 6th for the guy at best. Seems like a waste. Honestly Orton is the only guy there that really makes sense for us to trade.

Ok, but would you be keeping Ayers because you expect him to be good or would you be keeping him because you wouldnt get much for him? He plays a position where getting a pass rush is kind of important. He gets none.

mhgaffney
01-03-2011, 01:23 AM
Don't forget -- Doom was a 4th round pick.

We need to hit in the later rounds.

ayjackson
01-03-2011, 08:01 AM
I expect Ayers to be good. 3-4 OLB is a difficult position to learn and he came a long way last year. This year was lost to injuries. People need to be more patient.

Kaylore
01-03-2011, 09:40 AM
Without a pass rush, he'll be overpaid.

No he won't. The new CBA will pay these guys peanuts compared to what they used to make.

underrated29
01-03-2011, 10:46 AM
for now I still like going

1-fairley, 2a-robert sands (saftey), 2b-janoris jenkins (db), 3-Ian williams (DT/NT).---Ian is my sleeper pick. Pure ELITE run stuffer.

oubronco
01-03-2011, 10:47 AM
I want Dareus

Old Dude
01-03-2011, 11:12 AM
No he won't. The new CBA will pay these guys peanuts compared to what they used to make.

And assuming that comes about, I wonder if this will have any effect on the "draft value chart."

Supposedly, one of the drawbacks to players at the top of the pile is the salary issue. If these kinds of players turn out to be relative bargains (at least in the short term) would that make "blue chip" type picks even more valuable relative to later rounds?

Or do you all think everyone will just go with the historical charts?

Mediator12
01-03-2011, 11:28 AM
And assuming that comes about, I wonder if this will have any effect on the "draft value chart."

Supposedly, one of the drawbacks to players at the top of the pile is the salary issue. If these kinds of players turn out to be relative bargains (at least in the short term) would that make "blue chip" type picks even more valuable relative to later rounds?

Or do you all think everyone will just go with the historical charts?

The Rookie Wage scale would make early first round picks a much more Valuable commodity. If anything, it would make them more valuable as you get the top tier talent for a fraction of the cost.

I am all for getting Dareus @ #2. He is totally worth it there.

yerner
01-03-2011, 11:31 AM
Anybody know about Blaine Gabbert? I had not heard his name as a top pick until this week? All the news was about Luck, Locker, Newton and Mallett? Where did Gabbert come from? Another potential first round qb is surprising.

ayjackson
01-03-2011, 11:46 AM
And assuming that comes about, I wonder if this will have any effect on the "draft value chart."

Supposedly, one of the drawbacks to players at the top of the pile is the salary issue. If these kinds of players turn out to be relative bargains (at least in the short term) would that make "blue chip" type picks even more valuable relative to later rounds?

Or do you all think everyone will just go with the historical charts?

I think it might make the chart relevant again, since it had no relevance during the past years of monstrous money for top 10 picks.

nickademus
01-03-2011, 09:08 PM
I bet that the chart will skew hevily towards the top of the first round. And at this point Dareus is my pick no matter what.

RocBronc
01-04-2011, 01:12 PM
Anybody know about Blaine Gabbert? I had not heard his name as a top pick until this week? All the news was about Luck, Locker, Newton and Mallett? Where did Gabbert come from? Another potential first round qb is surprising.

This is the key IMO... We need someone to fall in love with Gabbert, Newton or Mallett and fleece them in a trade that would allow them to pick ahead of a QB desperate Buffalo. This to me is the best scenario for us. The picks from this trade plus as much as we can get for Orton and really reload with this draft.

broncos-rock
01-04-2011, 04:45 PM
The Rookie Wage scale would make early first round picks a much more Valuable commodity. If anything, it would make them more valuable as you get the top tier talent for a fraction of the cost.

I am all for getting Dareus @ #2. He is totally worth it there.

Mediator reading your post made me think about how the Patriots seem to always have 2 1st round picks but they never seem to use them. I wonder if we see them actually use them this year and move up high into the draft for a potential replacement for Brady.

Rohirrim
01-04-2011, 07:56 PM
First stab at a first day mock:

#2 - Nick Fairley, DE, Auburn
36 - Ras I Dowling, CB, VA
46 - Kyle Rudolph, TE, ND
67 - Deunta Williams, S, NC

Baba Booey
01-05-2011, 02:50 AM
Mile High Report does Mock Draft part four; one version assuming we stay in the 3-4 and the other assuming we switch to the 4-3:

3-4 Draft

2 - Nick Fairley DT Auburn
36 - Stephen Paea DT Oregon State
43 (from Minny for Orton) - Mikel LeShoure HB Illinois
46 - Brandon Burton CB Utah
67 - Ahmad Black S Florida

I've seen all but Burton play (MHR likes him alot; good size and skill), but the other four are serious playmakers. We've all mentioned Fairley and Paea quite a bit here in our desire for DL help. LeShoure is arguably the second best back in the draft behind Ingram, and was neglected due to a bad season for the Illini. He's got good size, speed, and vision and could make a nice 1a-1b with Knowshon. Black, like the article says, is undersized, but packs a punch and can make plays on the ball - much like Bob Sanders.

4-3 Draft

2 - Fairley
36 - Greg Jones LB Michigan State
43 - Martez Wilson LB Illinois
46 - Burton again
67 - Black again
Another third rounder acquired in a trade for DJ Williams (???) - Bruce Carter LB UNC

Personally I would rather us stick with the 3-4, but his re-tooling of the linebacking corps in his proposed 4-3 draft is interesting.

http://www.milehighreport.com/2011/1/4/1904478/2011-denver-broncos-mock-draft-part-four-defense-defense-offense#storyjump

Mediator12
01-05-2011, 09:02 AM
Mile High Report does Mock Draft part four; one version assuming we stay in the 3-4 and the other assuming we switch to the 4-3:

3-4 Draft

2 - Nick Fairley DT Auburn
36 - Stephen Paea DT Oregon State
43 (from Minny for Orton) - Mikel LeShoure HB Illinois
46 - Brandon Burton CB Utah
67 - Ahmad Black S Florida

I've seen all but Burton play (MHR likes him alot; good size and skill), but the other four are serious playmakers. We've all mentioned Fairley and Paea quite a bit here in our desire for DL help. LeShoure is arguably the second best back in the draft behind Ingram, and was neglected due to a bad season for the Illini. He's got good size, speed, and vision and could make a nice 1a-1b with Knowshon. Black, like the article says, is undersized, but packs a punch and can make plays on the ball - much like Bob Sanders.

4-3 Draft

2 - Fairley
36 - Greg Jones LB Michigan State
43 - Martez Wilson LB Illinois
46 - Burton again
67 - Black again
Another third rounder acquired in a trade for DJ Williams (???) - Bruce Carter LB UNC

Personally I would rather us stick with the 3-4, but his re-tooling of the linebacking corps in his proposed 4-3 draft is interesting.

http://www.milehighreport.com/2011/1/4/1904478/2011-denver-broncos-mock-draft-part-four-defense-defense-offense#storyjump

It is way too early to have any accurate values for Mock drafts, so while I aprreciate the effort, its kinda silly.

However, it is another thing altogether to project players based on overall draft value into a scheme. Nick Fairley does not fit the value of a #2 draft pick as a 5 Tech DE. I am not sure from watching him play if he can even handle 2 gapping every play in a 3-4 defense. His strength is purely in his first step explosiveness at this point, not his tenacity, not his technique, not his strength.

That is not the mold for a 5 tech at the next level. The 5 Tech has to be a team player first and playmaker second. They can not freelance or take plays off as they have 2 gaps not just one that needs to be covered. I do not see the mentality in Fairley to convert to a 2 gap 5 TECH. In fact, I see the mentality to pull the next Albert Haynesworth Drama fest if a team were to misuse him like that. That mean streak would be turned inward at the team and coaches instead of outward at OL!

OrangeSe7en
01-05-2011, 09:19 AM
Mile High Report does Mock Draft part four; one version assuming we stay in the 3-4 and the other assuming we switch to the 4-3:

3-4 Draft

2 - Nick Fairley DT Auburn
36 - Stephen Paea DT Oregon State
43 (from Minny for Orton) - Mikel LeShoure HB Illinois
46 - Brandon Burton CB Utah
67 - Ahmad Black S Florida

I've seen all but Burton play (MHR likes him alot; good size and skill), but the other four are serious playmakers. We've all mentioned Fairley and Paea quite a bit here in our desire for DL help. LeShoure is arguably the second best back in the draft behind Ingram, and was neglected due to a bad season for the Illini. He's got good size, speed, and vision and could make a nice 1a-1b with Knowshon. Black, like the article says, is undersized, but packs a punch and can make plays on the ball - much like Bob Sanders.

4-3 Draft

2 - Fairley
36 - Greg Jones LB Michigan State
43 - Martez Wilson LB Illinois
46 - Burton again
67 - Black again
Another third rounder acquired in a trade for DJ Williams (???) - Bruce Carter LB UNC

Personally I would rather us stick with the 3-4, but his re-tooling of the linebacking corps in his proposed 4-3 draft is interesting.

http://www.milehighreport.com/2011/1/4/1904478/2011-denver-broncos-mock-draft-part-four-defense-defense-offense#storyjump

I like this.

GoBroncos84
01-05-2011, 12:49 PM
It is way too early to have any accurate values for Mock drafts, so while I aprreciate the effort, its kinda silly.

However, it is another thing altogether to project players based on overall draft value into a scheme. Nick Fairley does not fit the value of a #2 draft pick as a 5 Tech DE. I am not sure from watching him play if he can even handle 2 gapping every play in a 3-4 defense. His strength is purely in his first step explosiveness at this point, not his tenacity, not his technique, not his strength.

That is not the mold for a 5 tech at the next level. The 5 Tech has to be a team player first and playmaker second. They can not freelance or take plays off as they have 2 gaps not just one that needs to be covered. I do not see the mentality in Fairley to convert to a 2 gap 5 TECH. In fact, I see the mentality to pull the next Albert Haynesworth Drama fest if a team were to misuse him like that. That mean streak would be turned inward at the team and coaches instead of outward at OL!
Big reason I want Dareus over fairley. He'll be very good in a 3-4 or 4-3. Scheme diverse, we could still go either way and not be handcuffed or limit his effectiveness.

nickademus
01-05-2011, 07:53 PM
I think Dareus is the pick. Watch him in their bowl game dude was unblockable and that wasnt the only time this season he was tearing LSU a new one as well earlier this year.

Baba Booey
01-11-2011, 12:49 AM
He had an underwhelming NC game overall, but I really think we should target LaMichael James at some point. Dude has blazing speed and is a great receiver out of the backfield.

Also, that Maehl kid from Oregon looked as clutch as a receiver can be. Thomas was looking his way almost exclusively when he was looking downfield. He made big catch after big catch on third down and I heard Herbstreit say that opponents described him as "sneaky quick" or something.

Wouldn't be a bad late-round pick to add WR depth.

BowlenBall
01-11-2011, 02:29 AM
He had an underwhelming NC game overall, but I really think we should target LaMichael James at some point. Dude has blazing speed and is a great receiver out of the backfield.

Also, that Maehl kid from Oregon looked as clutch as a receiver can be. Thomas was looking his way almost exclusively when he was looking downfield. He made big catch after big catch on third down and I heard Herbstreit say that opponents described him as "sneaky quick" or something.

Wouldn't be a bad late-round pick to add WR depth.

Broncos WR depth chart:
1) Brandon Lloyd
2) Jabar Gaffney
3) Eddie Royal
4) Demaryius Thomas
5) Eric Decker
6) Matthew Willis

The WR position is one of the few areas where we're set -- no draft picks for WR please, but I've got no problem with picking up some UDFAs and UFAs for camp depth / protection against injury.

Unless AJ Green falls to our 2nd round pick, in which case I'll think about it :~ohyah!:

Agamemnon
01-11-2011, 03:19 AM
Big reason I want Dareus over fairley. He'll be very good in a 3-4 or 4-3. Scheme diverse, we could still go either way and not be handcuffed or limit his effectiveness.

Dareus is not worth the #2 overall pick.