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Bronco Rob
09-30-2010, 05:05 AM
Broncos loath to panic over lack of third-down success


Orton: Struggles won't happen again
By Lindsay H. Jones
The Denver Post
09/30/2010 01:16:51 AM MDT


Kyle Orton stood at the podium in the Broncos' media room Wednesday morning, his arms crossed across his chest. It was a pose of defiance, almost, as he prepared himself for questions about the team's ineffective offense in last week's loss to Indianapolis.

The Broncos' offense struggled in the red zone and on third downs perhaps the two most critical scenarios but Orton is resolute in his confidence in himself and his teammates that 0-for-5 (in the red zone) and 5-of-15 (third-down conversions) won't happen again.

"I'm not going to sit here and overreact because we didn't do a good job necessarily last week in the red zone and on third down," Orton said. "We've had success in those areas, and we've had success this year. I'm not going to sit here and panic about it."

Orton is right. In the team's victory against Seattle in Week 2, the Broncos were highly effective on third downs, and Orton was particularly impressive as he completed 11 of his 14 third-down passes.

But in the Broncos' two losses, to Jacksonville and Indianapolis, the offense has converted only 8-of-25 third-down attempts.

The challenge will only increase this Sunday against a third AFC South foe, Tennessee, which is allowing its opponents to convert only 26.8 percent of third downs.

"We played a good team last week that is good in those situations, and we didn't execute well enough on our end to be able to keep the ball or score points," Orton said. "We need to put ourselves in the situation this week I know we'll have a lot of confidence, I'm going to have a lot of confidence and we're going to try to score points."

Coach Josh McDaniels schooled his offensive players Wednesday about Tennessee's third-down defense, which is ranked No. 4 in the NFL. Even more troublesome, McDaniels said, is how frequently Tennessee forces opposing offenses into long-yardage situations on third downs. Nearly half 20-of-41 of the third-down attempts against the Titans have been for 10 yards or longer, a stat McDaniels called "alarming." Only one of those attempts has been successful.

"Usually you're talking about tight coverage and likely blitz on third down," McDaniels said. "You're going to have to pick up pressure, get open against tight coverage, make good throws against tight coverage, and make plays in pressure situations. That's what third down really is."

McDaniels said his team's best chance of third-down success depends on what happens on first and second down. It worked against the Seahawks, but failed last week against the Colts, when the Broncos needed an average of 7.2 yards to stay on the field on their third-down tries.

"This is a team that doesn't let you get in third-and-short because they win first down so much of the time that you have a hard time getting it into third-and-2 to five," McDaniels said. "We have to stay out of long-yardage situations, that's No. 1 for us, and if we do that, I like our chances to be more effective on third down, really against anybody."

Titans coach Jeff Fisher said that he has seen an "explosive" Broncos offense that is capable of making those plays. Fisher said it starts with Orton, who has shown improved decision-making and an ability to extend plays with his legs if necessary.

"He's very, very good in the pocket," Fisher said. "He can get outside the pocket, and one thing he does do very well is keep his eyes downfield. That's why he is making so many plays. He handles the play-action game very well, knows where his problems are and is just, very, very difficult to stop."




http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_16211465



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fontaine
09-30-2010, 05:51 AM
I'd like us to go with an up tempo offense again.

Every time I've seen our hurry up offense and again last week when we were rattling in plays quickly it's been very effective. Some of it has to do with defenses going into prevent D but there's been no problem moving the ball between the 20's here.

So far the offense has done a very good job in using RBs/TEs to chip away at DEs/LBs to slow them down which gives Orton time and he's been very sharp in plays where he's asked to look downfield.

I expect a lot of frustrating drives where our offense doesn't get anything done but they key is going to be what we do on those drives where we DO get into a rhythym and get into the red zone. We have to make those trips count and yes, Orton and the entire offense needs to do a better job here.

I think they tried last week to get Thomas involved in the red zone because of the physical mismatch he creates, we just need to get him the ball more around there.

Missouribronc
09-30-2010, 06:23 AM
Sounds to me like it's just as important to pick up five or six on first down, so that you give yourself second, and third, and short against a tough defense.

My prediction: not a whole lot of rushing attempts.

bowtown
09-30-2010, 07:33 AM
Titans coach Jeff Fisher said that he has seen an "explosive" Broncos offense that is capable of making those plays. Fisher said it starts with Orton, who has shown improved decision-making and an ability to extend plays with his legs if necessary.

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Settle down Jeff, let's not get carried away here.

Rabb
09-30-2010, 07:48 AM
Settle down Jeff, let's not get carried away here.

that jumped at me also, although I have to say he has scrambled for a couple first downs already this year which is a nice surprise

Missouribronc
09-30-2010, 07:53 AM
Settle down Jeff, let's not get carried away here.

He is 15th among quarterbacks in rushing yards.

:afro:

Rabb
09-30-2010, 08:03 AM
I don't even care how much he runs, it's when he does

he is far less indecisive this year it looks like, which is awesome

beanerbronco
09-30-2010, 09:32 AM
Orton has been pretty smart this year. I liked how he called a qb sneak on 3rd and short last week. That was clever

TheReverend
09-30-2010, 10:16 AM
Careful Lindsay, talking about 3rd down struggles will apparently make Orton bitch slap you.

Rock Chalk
09-30-2010, 10:17 AM
I think its ridiculous to assume we won't have struggles again. No team is perfect or near perfect every game. All that has to happen is that we overcome those times when we struggle.

dbfan4life
09-30-2010, 10:18 AM
Settle down Jeff, let's not get carried away here.

I don't think that's inaccurate. Orton has done a pretty good job moving in the pocket and scrambling for some 1st downs. He's not Vick but he's made some plays with his legs.

Smiling Assassin27
09-30-2010, 10:26 AM
Titans DB's are good. They run support well, which bodes badly for us and our anemic running game. I'm thinking an uptempo 5 wide set with Orton throwing til his arm falls off. Let him make the reads and establish the pass in order to churn out some run yards later in the game. You know the Titans are gonna run it first, which means less number of possessions for our offense. We MUST make those possessions productive or must expect a monumental defensive effort, replete with *gasp* turnovers.

cmhargrove
09-30-2010, 10:30 AM
This game isn't about Orton at all. Orton should do very, very well.

This game is all about shutting down the run. Can we contain the fastest, most consistent RB in the NFL? If so, we can force their offense into some mistakes and win this one.

Mediator12
09-30-2010, 10:52 AM
Every game is different. Each team presents unique problems and matchup opportunities. The best thing about the NFL is you get to play a different team the next week to make it right. Conversely, it is also what makes it so damn hard to win from week to week. The best teams impose their will on the other team and make them adjust to what they do, while Taking away what that team does best.

Third down was not good for DEN last week, but a lot of those came in the red zone as they were getting first downs on almost every pass in between the 20's when they held the matchup advantage with great gameplanning. However, INDY has been extremely good in the red zone the over the years. It is what they do best. They give up FG's in the red zone but not TD's.

We will see how they attack TEN, who has really has only played one solid offense in the giants. There they gave up 50% 3rd down conversion, but were stout in the red Zone again.

Popps
09-30-2010, 10:55 AM
Sounds to me like it's just as important to pick up five or six on first down, so that you give yourself second, and third, and short against a tough defense.

My prediction: not a whole lot of rushing attempts.

Tennessee has forced teams into 3rd and long something like 50% of the time, so you're exactly right.

bowtown
09-30-2010, 11:16 AM
Careful Lindsay, talking about 3rd down struggles will apparently make Orton b**** slap you.

Well it is absolute embarrassing.

Beantown Bronco
09-30-2010, 11:30 AM
Careful Lindsay, talking about 3rd down struggles will apparently make Orton b**** slap you.

If there's anyone who could use a Neckbeard-style mushroom bruise across the face, it's Lindsay.

Kaylore
09-30-2010, 11:36 AM
I think its ridiculous to assume we won't have struggles again. No team is perfect or near perfect every game. All that has to happen is that we overcome those times when we struggle.

Especially when we're playing a Jeff Fisher defense on the road. We probably won't be in the redzone as much, but if we can capitalize when we are, we should do enough to win.

Taco John
09-30-2010, 12:12 PM
I'm comforted knowing that our red zone and third down troubles are over.

TheProfessor
09-30-2010, 12:20 PM
Orton: Struggles won't happen again!

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Meck77
09-30-2010, 12:22 PM
I think its ridiculous to assume we won't have struggles again. .

I think the whole notion of predicting the season results in the off season, predicting where we'll finish up in week 3, and predicting who will win next sunday is ridiculous. It's all speculation.

If anyone really knew wtf they were talking about in here they'd be making a living off sports betting.

What I do know is if you spend enough time supporting a team eventually you'll end up with a good feeling and maybe a SB victory. It happened to many of us who supported the team in the 70's, 80's, 90's etc. It might just happen again in 2014, 2018, 2022.

Don't get me wrong. It's fun to play what if but that's really all it is. Hell I'd expect nothing more than Orton and the Broncos to remain positive. It's all they can do as well. What's sad to me is people are more concerned about what Hillis is doing while we just had a member of our team take his own life. Compassion within human beings is at an all time low it seems.

Rohirrim
09-30-2010, 12:31 PM
What we need to do is score from deep. I say we dust off the old hook and trailer. ;D

TheReverend
09-30-2010, 12:33 PM
Especially when we're playing a Jeff Fisher defense on the road. We probably won't be in the redzone as much, but if we can capitalize when we are, we should do enough to win.

Agree.

The win or loss of this game comes down to whether or not the defense can contain CJ just ENOUGH.

bronco militia
09-30-2010, 12:57 PM
I think its ridiculous to assume we won't have struggles again. No team is perfect or near perfect every game. All that has to happen is that we overcome those times when we struggle.

that goes without saying, or is there something I'm missing about the thread title and the way it relates to the attached news article?

NFLBRONCO
09-30-2010, 01:19 PM
We've had RZ struggles for YEARS.

Maybe the team dr has RZ viagra

Popps
09-30-2010, 01:19 PM
I'm comforted knowing that our red zone and third down troubles are over.

You'd prefer he would have said... "I plan go to out there and **** up as much as possible?"

bowtown
09-30-2010, 02:02 PM
You'd prefer he would have said... "I plan go to out there and **** up as much as possible?"

I'd kind of like to see him be more non-commital and blase about the whole thing.

"Meh, you win some you lose some. Here's to our luck changing... fingers crossed!"

Br0nc0Buster
09-30-2010, 02:03 PM
chill the **** out people, Kyles got this

Hamrob
09-30-2010, 04:01 PM
I don't think the situation in the Colts game will repeat itself. It's not very often that a team racks up more than 500 yards of offense and only scores 13 point. That just doesn't happen all that much!

Tombstone RJ
09-30-2010, 04:16 PM
The Broncos got off to a bad start with the Colts and it just snowballed from there. This Broncos team is simply not good enough to make mistakes and then force their way back into a game. If this Broncos team gets a lead, then I think the defense is good enough to protect that lead and the offense is good enough to move the ball and eat up the clock. What this team is not good at is getting behind and playing ketchup.

TheReverend
09-30-2010, 04:24 PM
I don't think the situation in the Colts game will repeat itself. It's not very often that a team racks up more than 500 yards of offense and only scores 13 point. That just doesn't happen all that much!

I don't mind that really.

We were big underdogs. We had to go for the jugular when opportunities presented themselves if we wanted to pull off the upset. Frankly, I'm surprised we didn't see an on-sides kick in the first half. We failed to capitalize on the opportunities but what can ya do. Jacksonville, however, that was absolute embarrassing.