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epicSocialism4tw
09-28-2010, 01:28 PM
Just as the first major anti-Imperialist colonial movement was the American revolution.

History is repeating itself.

TailgateNut
09-28-2010, 03:05 PM
Bawahahahaahahahaha

Mr.Meanie
09-28-2010, 04:35 PM
Just as the first major anti-Imperialist colonial movement was the American revolution.

History is repeating itself.

Good point. Here's the way I see it:

Palin is the new Washington
O'Donnell is the new Franklin
Angle is the new Jefferson

Did I miss anyone?

epicSocialism4tw
09-28-2010, 06:43 PM
Good point. Here's the way I see it:

Palin is the new Washington
O'Donnell is the new Franklin
Angle is the new Jefferson

Did I miss anyone?

It has nothing to do with them and everything to do with the uprising.

DenverBrit
09-28-2010, 07:06 PM
Just as the first major anti-Imperialist colonial movement was the American revolution.

History is repeating itself.


So you think Palin, O'Donnell and the Tea Party are 'Revolting?'

It's hard not to agree. :thumbsup:

Rohirrim
09-28-2010, 07:33 PM
Anti-globalization Movement is a disputed term referring to the international social movement network that gained widespread media attention after protests against the World Trade Organization (WTO) in Seattle, WA in late November and early December 1999. Activists and scholars debate whether it constitutes a single social movement or represents a collection of allied groups, a "movement of movements." Including diverse constituencies with a range of ideological orientations, the global movement is broadly critical of the policies of economic neoliberalism, or "corporate globalization," that has guided international trade and development since the closing decades of the 20th century.
http://www.stwr.org/the-un-people-politics/the-anti-globalization-movement-defined.html

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-28-2010, 07:58 PM
DramaLlama just can't stop getting things bass-ackwards.

The Tea Party is a front organization for globalists like the Koch Brothers (the Standard Oil of our generation.)

Taco John
09-28-2010, 08:57 PM
DramaLlama just can't stop getting things bass-ackwards.

The Tea Party is a front organization for globalists like the Koch Brothers (the Standard Oil of our generation.)


And the Obama movement was a front for what?

Bronco_Beerslug
09-28-2010, 08:59 PM
And the Obama movement was a front for what?What is an "Obama movement"?

ant1999e
09-28-2010, 09:47 PM
What is an "Obama movement"?

I heard a rumor that it doesn't stink, shines like gold and liberals worship it.

Taco John
09-28-2010, 10:22 PM
What is an "Obama movement"?

America seems to be plugged up from having one. Nothing that a little tea wont help pass. :)

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-29-2010, 01:00 AM
I heard a rumor that it doesn't stink, shines like gold and liberals worship it.

Let me guess: You heard this rumor from the same source that told you Iraq had WMD, that spending the surplus on tax cuts for the wealthy would stimulate the economy and create jobs, etc? :mullet2:

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-29-2010, 01:02 AM
America seems to be plugged up from having one. Nothing that a little tea wont help pass. :)

I've heard of that tea before - it's called "witch's brew." :spit:

DenverBrit
09-29-2010, 08:09 AM
America seems to be plugged up from having one. Nothing that a little tea wont help pass. :)

Yeah, right, as if you can get a decent cup of tea without going to an Asian restaurant. Ha!

Rohirrim
09-29-2010, 08:19 AM
Yeah, right, as if you can get a decent cup of tea without going to an Asian restaurant. Ha!

I make an excellent cup of Irish Breakfast Tea. First, use Twinings, which is the best.

DenverBrit
09-29-2010, 09:12 AM
I make an excellent cup of Irish Breakfast Tea. First, use Twinings, which is the best.

Good man, and if you're using a tea bag, don't squeeze it. ;D

Arkie
09-29-2010, 09:36 AM
This is a real eye opener. I’m don’t necessarily agree 100%. It’s a must read for everyone.
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/introduction-road-through-2012-revolution-or-world-war-iii
Introduction to The Road Through 2012: Revolution or World War III
1: Economic Imperial Operations
When we analyze our current crisis, focusing on the past few years of economic activity blinds us to the history and context that are vital to understanding the root cause. What we have been experiencing is not the result of an unforeseen economic crash that appeared out of the blue with the collapse of the housing market. It was certainly not brought on by people who bought homes they couldn’t afford. To frame this crisis around a debate on economic theory misses the point entirely. To even blame it on greedy bankers, while essentially accurate, also misses the most vital point.
This crisis is the direct result of a strategic economic attack on the existence of a middle class and democracy worldwide. The stock market and economy have become weapons of mass oppression manipulated by an imperial banking cartel to impose order and exploit the masses. This crisis boldly represents the manifest evolution of the fascist spirit reasserting itself as the dominant ideology.
Any fairytale notions of the United States being a democratic republic built on the rule of law have been utterly dispelled. As a nation we have been bred and conditioned to be dangerously naïve to the darker forces which operate beyond the spotlight of the mainstream media. We have been blinded to what has been developing throughout the world.
The economic imperialism that has now blown-back to the United States and Europe has been evolving for decades and can be directly traced back to the end of World War II, to the birth of the CIA, International Monetary Fund (IMF) and World Bank.
For those of us who have been paying attention to economic imperial operations that have been carried out against countries throughout the world, this looks all too familiar. The IMF and global bankers have conquered the second and third world, and they have now moved on to countries within the first world. Western European and American working classes are in the cross-hairs now.
Economic and societal indicators, along with recent G-20 policy decisions, clearly demonstrate that they are carrying out and escalating systemic economic attacks throughout Europe and the US.
To put it in technical terms, the United States government has been taken over by a financial terrorism network. They have bought off leaders of both the Republican and Democratic parties, and have established a dominant role in all three branches of government and throughout the mainstream media. They have complete control of the economy, stock market, US Treasury, Federal Reserve, World Bank, IMF and global banking system. Free market capitalism has collapsed; it’s now a rigged global market. This is an organized criminal operation, an imperial fascist movement that is determined to destroy our very way of life.
A war has already been launched against us.
In just the past three years we have lost an unprecedented amount of national wealth, trillions upon trillions of our tax dollars have been looted by Wall Street, endless wars, enormous subsidies for the most profitable global corporations and tax cuts for the richest one percent of the population. Never before, in the history of civilization, has a nation been so thoroughly and systematically fleeced.
This is all the result of a coordinated economic attack by a global banking cartel against 99 percent of the US population.
Until we can become politically intelligent enough to see this as the reality and root cause of our current crisis, we will not be able to overcome it, our living standards will continue to decline and we will all be sentenced to a slow death in a neo-feudal system built on debt slavery.
The average American is horribly naïve to just how depraved, corrupt and addicted to power this banking cartel is. Through their control and domination of the mass media, they have kept their crimes against humanity out of public consciousness. We have been shielded from the global devastation and death toll that they have already wrought. The result is an unsuspecting population of confused and passive people having their future ripped out from under them, right before their eyes, without any organized defense or resistance.

Arkie
09-29-2010, 09:36 AM
II: Violence on the Horizon
As the entrenched global banking cartel continues to control domestic political policy, the next phase of this crisis will inevitably feature an escalation into mass violence. As the Army War College stated, the Pentagon is preparing for “violent, strategic dislocation inside the United States” and “widespread civil violence” due to “purposeful domestic resistance.”
In clear signs of what is to come, rioting and violence as a result of economic turmoil has already been experienced in many countries throughout the world. However, civil unrest has not yet occurred within the United States. There are many theories as to why there has been so little resistance from the US population thus far, and several factors play into it. The most significant factor is that social safety net programs have been vital in preventing people from resorting to extreme measures. Currently, a stunning number of Americans, 52 million, are receiving life-sustaining assistance from government “anti-poverty” programs, such as food stamps, unemployment benefits, Medicaid and Medicare. This has already stretched a social safety net system that is designed to handle significantly less people to its limit. This safety net system has now been drained of all reserve resources over the past two years, and is obviously not sustainable under current economic and political conditions.
As social safety net programs have been drained of reserves, many US citizens have also been burning through their personal savings. Over the past few years the percentage of Americans living paycheck to paycheck has dramatically increased. In 2007, 43 percent of Americans were living paycheck to paycheck. In 2008, the percentage increased to 49 percent. In 2009, the number skyrocketed up to 61 percent. The most recent number for 2010 has exploded to a shocking 77 percent. This means in our nation of 310 million citizens, 239 million Americans are one setback away from economic ruin and millions more are in danger of having to rely on government assistance for survival.
So as this prolonged economic crisis continues, these safety nets, that are already overwhelmed, will have to support more and more people and will inevitably break down. As we have just begun to see, budget cuts to vital social programs on the state and federal levels will become increasingly severe right at the point when many more Americans will need them. As the 52 million Americans currently surviving in “anti-poverty” programs are gradually cutoff from life-sustaining government assistance - and as the 239 million people now living paycheck to paycheck, buried in debt, stressing out and working their asses off just to make ends meet realize that things are not going to be getting any better — and are only going to get worse — social unrest and outbursts of violence will eventually start to bubble up to the surface and the ruling elite will no longer be able to maintain power by simply deceiving the masses via mainstream media propaganda.
When an overwhelming majority of the population directly feels negative effects upon their own living standards, the propaganda system collapses. The illusion comes crashing down and people will finally start to get wise to the horrific scam that is being played on them. When they wake from their media-induced American dream state and realize that they are now living in a nightmare, as crazy as it may sound, people will actually stop voting against their own interests. The apathetic majority, that doesn’t vote, will become active in the interests of self-preservation as their survival instincts kick in.
The handwriting is on the wall and the ruling class has to realize that by the time 2012 rolls around, their puppet politicians will be voted out of office, or their heads will roll, quite literally.
Looking at this from a purely technocratic sociological viewpoint, avoiding mass riots and violence while this many desperate people lose life-sustaining programs appears to be an impossible task, and given our current economic and political environment this seems inevitable.
In an article titled “A Planet at the Brink: Will Economic Brushfires Prove Too Virulent to Contain?” Michael T. Klare explained:
“As people lose confidence in the ability of markets and governments to solve the global crisis, they are likely to erupt into violent protests or to assault others they deem responsible for their plight, including government officials, plant managers, landlords, immigrants, and ethnic minorities. (The list could, in the future, prove long and unnerving.) If the present economic disaster turns into what President Obama has referred to as a ‘lost decade,’ the result could be a global landscape filled with economically-fueled upheavals.”
Former National Security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski expressed his fears:
“I was worrying about it because we’re going to have millions and millions of unemployed, people really facing dire straits. And we’re going to be having that for some period of time before things hopefully improve. And at the same time there is public awareness of this extraordinary wealth that was transferred to a few individuals at levels without historical precedent in America….
And you sort of say to yourself: what’s going to happen in this society when these people are without jobs, when their families hurt, when they lose their homes, and so forth?”
Outbreaks of civil unrest are something that the US government and Pentagon have been expecting, and preparing for. Former US Director of National Intelligence Dennis Blair testified before the Senate Intelligence Committee stating that the greatest threat facing the US is not terrorism, it’s the current economic crisis:
“The primary near-term security concern of the United States is the global economic crisis and its geopolitical implications. The crisis has been ongoing…. Of course, all of us recall the dramatic political consequences wrought by the economic turmoil of the 1920s and 1930s in Europe, the instability, and high levels of violent extremism.”
Intelligence Committee Vice-Chair Christopher Bond said the economic crisis is now “the primary focus of the intelligence community.” As the Army War College has warned, the response to this coming phase of the economic crisis “might include use of military force against hostile groups inside the United States. Further, DoD [the Department of Defense] would be, by necessity, an essential enabling hub for the continuity of political authority in a multi-state or nationwide civil conflict or disturbance.”
Journalist Chris Hedges summed up this report:
“The specter of social unrest was raised at the US Army War College in November in a monograph titled ‘Known Unknowns: Unconventional ‘Strategic Shocks’ in Defense Strategy Development.’ …
The ‘widespread civil violence,’ the document said, ‘would force the defense establishment to reorient priorities in extremis to defend basic domestic order and human security.’
‘An American government and defense establishment lulled into complacency by a long-secure domestic order would be forced to rapidly divest some or most external security commitments in order to address rapidly expanding human insecurity at home,’ it went on….
In plain English, something bureaucrats and the military seem incapable of employing, this translates into the imposition of martial law and a de facto government being run out of the Department of Defense. They are considering it. So should you.”

Arkie
09-29-2010, 09:37 AM
III: The IMF Riot, Step 3.5
The International Monetary Fund is predicting a “social explosion” due to this crisis. The IMF and World Bank have a long history of creating social upheaval. Leaked documents from within the World Bank refer to the next phase of the crisis as the “IMF riot.”
Journalist Greg Palast obtained classified planning documents, which shed light on the covert economic imperial operations, Structural Adjustment Programs, that the IMF, World Bank and US Treasury have used in the past as a playbook for destabilizing and conquering foreign nations. In the UK newspaper The Observer, Palast interviewed Nobel Prize-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz, who was a former World Bank Chief Economist and Senior Vice President, turned whistleblower. They revealed the four-step IMF plan. Though the strategy is slightly modified based on the nation being attacked, here in the United States we are currently about to enter a variation of step-three, which is currently being phased in throughout Europe. This step inevitably leads to a significant portion of the population losing the ability to obtain basic necessities essential for survival. Once this happens, riots inevitably occur, or as they put it: step 3.5 is executed.
Here is how Palast and Stiglitz summed it up:
“At this point, according to Stiglitz, the IMF drags the gasping nation to Step Three: market-based pricing - a fancy term for raising prices on food, water and… gas.
This leads, predictably, to Step-Three-and-a-Half: what Stiglitz calls ‘the IMF riot’.
The IMF riot is painfully predictable. When a nation is, ‘down and out, [the IMF] squeezes the last drop of blood out of them. They turn up the heat until, finally, the whole cauldron blows up,’…
What Stiglitz did not know is that Newsnight obtained several documents from inside the World Bank. In one, last year’s Interim Country Assistance Strategy for Ecuador, the Bank several times suggests - with cold accuracy - that the plans could be expected to spark ’social unrest’.”
To sum up, the interlocked IMF and World Bank set the conditions for ’social unrest’ and then once it occurs they move to step-four, which is the ultimate in disaster capitalism - they profit off the misery and the civilian population is then buried in a neo-feudal system of severe debt and poverty.
So what is the IMF saying right now about our situation in Europe and the US? A recent Telegraph report reads:
“IMF fears ’social explosion’ from world jobs crisis
America and Europe face the worst jobs crisis since the 1930s and risk ‘an explosion of social unrest’ unless they tread carefully, the International Monetary Fund has warned….
Olivier Blanchard, the IMF’s chief economist, said the percentage of workers laid off for long stints has been rising with each downturn for decades but the figures have surged this time. ‘Long-term unemployment is alarmingly high: in the US, half the unemployed have been out of work for over six months, something we have not seen since the Great Depression,” he said….
The IMF said there may be a link between rising inequality within Western economies and deflating demand. Historians say the last time that the wealth gap reached such skewed extremes was in 1928-1929…”
To show you how insidious the IMF is, they have recently launched a propaganda campaign to publicly decry deficit budget cuts and austerity measures. However, behind the scenes they have been forcing implementation of them and making their usual demands for cuts in vital social services and public spending, once those cuts are in place, the riots obviously follow.
A recent Washington Post report states:
“IMF issues broad call for US financial prudence
Cut Social Security. Ditch the deduction for interest on home mortgages. Tax gasoline.
The United States recently opened itself to the most intense scrutiny yet by the International Monetary Fund, and on Thursday was offered a bitter pill when the agency criticized some well-defended aspects of American culture — cheap fuel, subsidized housing, and a government retirement check…. “
Economist Dean Baker writes:
“The central bankers and their accomplices at the IMF are dictating policies to democratically elected governments. Their agenda seems to be the same everywhere, cut back retirement benefits, reduce public support for health care, weaken unions and make ordinary workers take pay cuts.”
In another report Baker adds:
“The IMF program calls for cutbacks in government support for healthcare, pensions, and a wide range of other public services. It also calls for weakening labor market regulations that provide workers with job security.
These recommendations are being given in a context where the world economy is suffering from a massive shortfall of demand. In other words, tens of millions of people are unemployed right now because there is not enough spending to keep them employed. The IMF’s program is almost certain to reduce spending further leading to even larger shortfalls in demand and more unemployment….
The IMF’s track record gives us reason not only to question the institution’s competence but also its motivations…. It is possible to see a similar pattern in the IMF’s latest set of policy recommendations to deal with the economic crisis.”
In an article entitled, “The Attack of the Real Black Helicopter Gang: The IMF Is Coming for Your Social Security,” Baker continues:
“Last week, the IMF told the United States that it needs to start getting its budget deficit down. It put cutting Social Security at the top of the steps that the country should take to achieve deficit reduction. This one is more than a bit outrageous for two reasons…
While the IMF has no problem warning about retired workers getting too much in Social Security benefits, it apparently could not find its voice when the issue was the junk securities from Goldman Sachs or Citigroup that helped to fuel the housing bubble.
The collapse of this bubble has not only sank the world economy, it also destroyed most of the savings of the near retirees for whom the IMF wants to cut Social Security. The vast majority of middle-income retirees have most of their wealth in their home equity. This home equity largely disappeared when the bubble burst.”
So the IMF and global banking cartel are setting the conditions for social unrest and pushing for policies that will provoke it, and the Pentagon is preparing for a military response. As scary and unbelievable as all this may sound, we are on a fast track to this scenario.
To Sum Up
The American and global economy have already been looted and destroyed beyond repair. Most serious economists will admit that governments have already exhausted their capital by bailing out the banks and taking on unprecedented amounts of debt. The bailouts and recent return to high profits were just the final phase of the looting and a further consolidation of wealth on an unprecedented scale. There are still tens of trillions of dollars in debt hidden off-the-books and hundreds of trillions of dollars in dark pools of derivative liability. As the downturn continues, there is nothing left to revive the economy, the reserves and safety nets have already been stretched to their limits.
We have a political and economic system that has been overrun by organized corruption and theft. Along with a mass media system that does not inform the populace and has effectively marginalized and isolated the majority of the population. Meanwhile, bubbling just under the surface is a very heavily armed population with a militia movement that has doubled in size over the past year, and their memberships continue to rapidly grow. Without the necessary general political intelligence or infrastructure to organize an effective mass non-violent movement, we are steamrolling toward spontaneous riots and outbursts of armed insurrection.
In other words, as this economic downturn continues, what is now a passive and confused population will eventually devolve into an explosion of violence. Without a coherent non-violent movement to provide a viable alternative, without an outlet for severe and legitimate grievances that provides any chance for urgently affecting necessary political change, people will resort to violence as a last desperate act of vengeance and frustration. As time passes, these forgotten and isolated people, tens of millions of them, are quickly running out of options, and they will act out just as exploited people throughout the world always have.
A man who sparked a revolution against the same banking cartel that has caused our crisis described the general attitude among a population that successfully rebelled through armed insurrection:
“The people are weary of being oppressed, persecuted, exploited to the maximum. They are weary of the wretched selling of their labor-power day after day — faced with the fear of joining the enormous mass of unemployed — so that the greatest profit can be wrung from each human body, profit later squandered in the orgies of the masters of capital….
The feeling of revolt will grow stronger every day among the peoples subjected to various degrees of exploitation, and they will take up arms to gain by force the rights which reason alone has not won them.”
Whatever your preconceptions of the man who said this may be, the voice of Che Guevara can now be clearly understood and related to by the overwhelming majority of people throughout the United States.

Already, despite intensive propaganda, a stunning 80 percent of the US population believes that the government has failed them. The health care and financial reform bills have proven that our politicians are much more concerned about the short-sighted necessity to please the Economic Elite and raise campaign funds, than they are to understand the consequences of millions of Americans being forced into situations where their very survival is threatened. In a system where most elected officials are millionaires, this lack of perspective and understanding is ultimately what will lead to violence. Whether it is by arrogance or ignorance, perhaps both, it appears that our ruling class has suicidal tendencies. Unless they quickly recognize the growing threat posed by the dispossessed masses, our puppet politicians will themselves be in harm’s way.
To show you how incredibly out of touch our current elected officials are, and to give you a clear indication of the prevailing attitude on Capitol Hill, a recent report from the Washington Post summed up their response to the recent news that a record number of Americans are now living in poverty:
“The reluctance of political leaders on both sides of the aisle to directly confront the fact that growing numbers of Americans are slipping into poverty reflects a stubborn reality about the poor: They are not much of a political constituency.
‘We talk to many people on Capitol Hill who do believe poverty is important and is a blight on our nation, but we are also up against a general recognition that poor people don’t vote in great numbers. And they certainly aren’t going to be making campaign contributions. That definitely puts them behind many other people and interests when decisions are being made around here.’”
And that sums up our current crisis, doesn’t it? The “poor people don’t vote” and they don’t make “campaign contributions.”
As the Rage Against the Machine song goes, “The riot be the rhyme of the unheard.”

Arkie
09-29-2010, 09:38 AM
IV: Bang the Drums of War
How will this imperial fascist banking cartel respond to revolt? How will they maintain their power over an increasingly radicalized and hostile US population?
In an attempt to stave off organized rebellion, they are already escalating their propaganda efforts in attempts to divide and distract the population. The tactics of their divide and conquer strategy are already on full display. Their mainstream media outlets have drastically increased coverage and focused attention on the rhetoric of division - using divisive issues like immigration, racism, religious bigotry, the “lazy unemployed,” “entitlement welfare” and gay marriage to divide and distract the population and prevent the masses from organizing against their true oppressors.
This propaganda effort is only a temporary measure and will not suffice over the long-term. As the economy continues to collapse, the banking elite risk being overthrown as a result of their own greed. So they will then turn to physical, military-based violence to suppress populations that can no longer be controlled through propaganda and economic coercion.
To paraphrase policy analyst Anatol Lieven, the classic strategy of an endangered oligarchy is to divert discontent among the population into nationalistic militarism. It is time, once again, to bang the drums of war and “whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor.” The source of the following quote is unknown, but the evident wisdom of it is something that we have already experienced firsthand in the recent past:
“Beware the leader who bangs the drum of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so.”
An increased external threat will lead to an increased internal crackdown, which creates the pretext and conditions for a police state. As we have already seen in the first phase of the crackdown on civil liberties since the “War on Terror” began, when rioting and outbursts of armed insurrection begin within the US, external threats, real or imagined, will again be presented to justify extreme measures to suppress American citizens, and to further repress and divert internal dissent. Without an external enemy to rally the population against, the population will rally against the pre-existing internal powers.
To put a slight twist on what Guy DeBord insightfully said back in 1988: the banking cartel “constructs its own inconceivable foe, terrorism. Its wish is to be judged by its enemies rather than by its results. The story of terrorism is written by the state and it is therefore highly instructive. But they must always know enough to convince them that, compared with terrorism, everything else must be acceptable, or in any case more rational and democratic.”

Arkie
09-29-2010, 09:38 AM
V:The Chinese Scapegoat: Trade & Currency Wars
As millions of Americans and the majority of the global population look for vengeance on those responsible for severely declining living standards, the global banking cartel are not going to blame themselves, so they will deflect blame to China, a most convenient target.
As a result of the crisis, national currencies are reeling, and the dollar, although currently one of the strongest paper currencies, is losing power as the crisis escalates. The IMF is working to replace the dollar as the world reserve currency and have begun discussing the possibility of making their Special Drawing Rights (SDRs) the new world reserve currency. A plummeting dollar will obviously put the American population in a severely desperate situation and the US-based banking cartel needs an excuse to divert political backlash. In China, the nation poised to replace the US as the preeminent global superpower, they have the perfect scapegoat.
US-based global corporations have been shifting their business to China and off-shoring millions of jobs to the region due to their extremely low worker wages. So the American population is already pre-disposed to blaming China, as opposed to the companies who are exploiting the cheap labor. US politicians have been conveniently shifting blame for unemployment from themselves to China. Meanwhile, China also owns a significant portion of US national debt. US Admiral Mike Mullen, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, has recently declared that the national debt is the number one security threat. As Mullen stated, “Tax payers will be paying around $600 billion in interest on the national debt by 2012.” A significant portion of this interest will be going to China.
As national governments attempt to survive in an increasingly hostile global economy, trade and currency wars will flare up and escalate. China is in perhaps the strongest position to win these conflicts. China and Japan have just engaged in a fierce currency battle. This currency battle is not to be underestimated. We are talking about the world’s second and third largest economies, after the United States. China has just overtaken Japan for the number two position. The militant rhetoric between these two nations is escalating. US politicians were quick to jump on the situation with calls to classify China as a “currency manipulator” and impose trade tariffs and penalties against them.
International economic reporter Barry Grey recently summed up the situation in an article entitled, “Economic crisis threatens to unleash global currency wars:”
“The eruption of currency exchange conflicts is bound up with mounting signs that the global economic crisis is systemic, rather than merely conjunctural, and growing fears that a genuine recovery is not in the offing. The European sovereign debt crisis and the weakening of US economic growth have led governments around the world to seek to secure a greater share of export markets. Under conditions of slowing growth and stagnant markets, this inevitably heightens trade conflicts between competing capitalist nations.
In particular, the US and the European Union, spearheaded by the export power Germany, have aggressively pursued a cheap currency policy in order to gain a trade advantage against their rivals. Of the major economic powers, Japan has suffered the greatest damage from these policies, as investors and speculators have shifted from dollar- and euro-denominated investments to the yen, driving up the currency’s exchange rate.
This has embittered relations between Japan and both the US and the EU. Japan has also denounced China for artificially keeping its currency low while bidding up the yen by increasing its purchases of Japanese government securities.”
The global banking cartel’s leading puppets on Capitol Hill, Senators Chris Dodd, Chuck Schumer and Richard Shelby were all quick to attack China. Barry Grey continued:
“In opening the Senate Banking Committee hearing, Chairman Christopher Dodd declared China a currency manipulator and said its ‘economic and trade policies’ present ‘roadblocks to our recovery.’ He went on to accuse China of stealing intellectual property, violating international trade agreements and dumping goods. He also denounced China for acquiring national resources in developing countries and building up its military.
In his opening statement, the ranking Republican on the committee, Richard Shelby of Alabama, declared, ‘There is no question that China manipulates its currency in order to subsidize Chinese exports. The only question is: Why is the administration protecting China by refusing to designate it as a currency manipulator?’
Senator Charles Schumer, a New York Democrat, said, ‘China’s currency manipulation is like a boot on the throat of our recovery and this administration refuses to try to get China to remove that boot.’”
On top of all this, China has now overtaken the US as the world’s top energy consumer. Michael T. Klare reports on China’s new position of power:
“The main point: by becoming the world’s leading energy consumer, China will also become an ever more dominant international actor and so set the pace in shaping our global future.
Because energy is tied to so many aspects of the global economy, and because doubts are growing about the future availability of oil and other vital fuels, the decisions China makes regarding its energy portfolio will have far-reaching consequences. As the leading player in the global energy market, China will significantly determine not only the prices we will be paying for critical fuels but also the type of energy systems we will come to rely on. More importantly, China’s decisions on energy preferences will largely determine whether China and the United States can avoid becoming embroiled in a global struggle over imported oil and whether the world will escape catastrophic climate change.”
China’s rise in power, mixed with the decline of western economies and the need for an external scapegoat sets up a global collision and inevitable confrontation between vying superpowers. Currency and trade wars will likely be a prelude to military confrontation.

Arkie
09-29-2010, 09:39 AM
VI: Moves Upon the Grand Chessboard
Based on early maneuvering it is evident that the masters of war have already drawn up sides. You may have missed it, but the US, Israel and the NATO Alliance have already put Iran, Lebanon, Syria, North Korea, Venezuela, Russia and China on notice. And the “withdrawals” from Iraq and the Af-Pak region are over-hyped. The occupation of these countries continues with no end in sight. In fact, they aren’t withdrawing as much as they are repositioning and shifting their forces, preparing for an escalation. In many ways the wars in Iraq and Af-Pak have only been the initial phase of a global attack, positioning forces and building massive military bases in pivotal geo-strategic locations. The operations in this region have essentially been a warm-up for much wider-ranging attacks against much stronger countries. While most of the US population is playing checkers, seeing the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan as one-off battles, the global banking cartel is playing chess, using these wars as only initial geo-strategic moves in a grand strategy toward total world domination.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-29-2010, 10:08 AM
IV: Bang the Drums of War
How will this imperial fascist banking cartel respond to revolt? How will they maintain their power over an increasingly radicalized and hostile US population?
In an attempt to stave off organized rebellion, they are already escalating their propaganda efforts in attempts to divide and distract the population. The tactics of their divide and conquer strategy are already on full display. Their mainstream media outlets have drastically increased coverage and focused attention on the rhetoric of division - using divisive issues like immigration, racism, religious bigotry, the “lazy unemployed,” “entitlement welfare” and gay marriage to divide and distract the population and prevent the masses from organizing against their true oppressors.
This propaganda effort is only a temporary measure and will not suffice over the long-term. As the economy continues to collapse, the banking elite risk being overthrown as a result of their own greed. So they will then turn to physical, military-based violence to suppress populations that can no longer be controlled through propaganda and economic coercion.
To paraphrase policy analyst Anatol Lieven, the classic strategy of an endangered oligarchy is to divert discontent among the population into nationalistic militarism. It is time, once again, to bang the drums of war and “whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor.” The source of the following quote is unknown, but the evident wisdom of it is something that we have already experienced firsthand in the recent past:
“Beware the leader who bangs the drum of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so.”
An increased external threat will lead to an increased internal crackdown, which creates the pretext and conditions for a police state. As we have already seen in the first phase of the crackdown on civil liberties since the “War on Terror” began, when rioting and outbursts of armed insurrection begin within the US, external threats, real or imagined, will again be presented to justify extreme measures to suppress American citizens, and to further repress and divert internal dissent. Without an external enemy to rally the population against, the population will rally against the pre-existing internal powers.
To put a slight twist on what Guy DeBord insightfully said back in 1988: the banking cartel “constructs its own inconceivable foe, terrorism. Its wish is to be judged by its enemies rather than by its results. The story of terrorism is written by the state and it is therefore highly instructive. But they must always know enough to convince them that, compared with terrorism, everything else must be acceptable, or in any case more rational and democratic.”

Right on the money (and quite reminiscent of the Bush years.)

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-29-2010, 10:15 AM
This is a real eye opener. I’m don’t necessarily agree 100%. It’s a must read for everyone.
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/introduction-road-through-2012-revolution-or-world-war-iii
Introduction to The Road Through 2012: Revolution or World War III
1: Economic Imperial Operations
When we analyze our current crisis, focusing on the past few years of economic activity blinds us to the history and context that are vital to understanding the root cause. What we have been experiencing is not the result of an unforeseen economic crash that appeared out of the blue with the collapse of the housing market. It was certainly not brought on by people who bought homes they couldn’t afford. To frame this crisis around a debate on economic theory misses the point entirely. To even blame it on greedy bankers, while essentially accurate, also misses the most vital point.
This crisis is the direct result of a strategic economic attack on the existence of a middle class and democracy worldwide. The stock market and economy have become weapons of mass oppression manipulated by an imperial banking cartel to impose order and exploit the masses. This crisis boldly represents the manifest evolution of the fascist spirit reasserting itself as the dominant ideology.
Any fairytale notions of the United States being a democratic republic built on the rule of law have been utterly dispelled. As a nation we have been bred and conditioned to be dangerously naïve to the darker forces which operate beyond the spotlight of the mainstream media. We have been blinded to what has been developing throughout the world.
The economic imperialism that has now blown-back to the United States and Europe has been evolving for decades and can be directly traced back to the end of World War II, to the birth of the CIA, International Monetary Fund (IMF) and World Bank.
For those of us who have been paying attention to economic imperial operations that have been carried out against countries throughout the world, this looks all too familiar. The IMF and global bankers have conquered the second and third world, and they have now moved on to countries within the first world. Western European and American working classes are in the cross-hairs now.
Economic and societal indicators, along with recent G-20 policy decisions, clearly demonstrate that they are carrying out and escalating systemic economic attacks throughout Europe and the US.
To put it in technical terms, the United States government has been taken over by a financial terrorism network. They have bought off leaders of both the Republican and Democratic parties, and have established a dominant role in all three branches of government and throughout the mainstream media. They have complete control of the economy, stock market, US Treasury, Federal Reserve, World Bank, IMF and global banking system. Free market capitalism has collapsed; it’s now a rigged global market. This is an organized criminal operation, an imperial fascist movement that is determined to destroy our very way of life.
A war has already been launched against us.
In just the past three years we have lost an unprecedented amount of national wealth, trillions upon trillions of our tax dollars have been looted by Wall Street, endless wars, enormous subsidies for the most profitable global corporations and tax cuts for the richest one percent of the population. Never before, in the history of civilization, has a nation been so thoroughly and systematically fleeced.
This is all the result of a coordinated economic attack by a global banking cartel against 99 percent of the US population.
Until we can become politically intelligent enough to see this as the reality and root cause of our current crisis, we will not be able to overcome it, our living standards will continue to decline and we will all be sentenced to a slow death in a neo-feudal system built on debt slavery.
The average American is horribly naïve to just how depraved, corrupt and addicted to power this banking cartel is. Through their control and domination of the mass media, they have kept their crimes against humanity out of public consciousness. We have been shielded from the global devastation and death toll that they have already wrought. The result is an unsuspecting population of confused and passive people having their future ripped out from under them, right before their eyes, without any organized defense or resistance.

Wow - excellent summary of our current situation.

The guy who wrote this article is definitely not sleeping.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-29-2010, 10:36 AM
Economist Dean Baker writes (http://www.alternet.org/economy/147032/ordinary_workers_would_be_fired_in_a_second_if_the y_screwed_up_anywhere_nearly_as_bad_as_the_bankers _have?page=entire):
“The central bankers and their accomplices at the IMF are dictating policies to democratically elected governments. Their agenda seems to be the same everywhere, cut back retirement benefits, reduce public support for health care, weaken unions and make ordinary workers take pay cuts.”


Gee, how familiar does that sound?

NUB
09-29-2010, 11:52 AM
Anti-globalism movements have been around for decades in an attempt to secure identity.

People want to drink Tarkhun, not Coke.

Rohirrim
09-29-2010, 11:54 AM
I don't know how much, if any, of this is true. I am always suspect at the idea of secret cabals of world conquering evil-doers, believing they fit more into the scheme of a James Bond movie. The thing I find the most disturbing though, are the continuous attacks on our government from the Right. If any of the above is true, the only weapon Americans have to fight back against such forces is a government that they control. Right now, we do not have that. And any vestiges of independent government we have left are under a constant barrage of propaganda and corruption.

Many people don't seem to understand that a vacuum at the top will not exist. Either government has the power, vested by the people, controlled by the people, to control such forces as international banks, the military/industrial complex and global corporatism, or it doesn't, in which case, those forces will rule. In our times, we see the battle being lost. The propaganda of the Right says that government, our only defense, is in fact, the enemy. A brilliant propaganda ploy. This is why I argue that massive campaign reform should be our most crucial focus. It's probably already too late, but if we don't get the money out of our government, we have no hope. The recent SCOTUS ruling might be what historians of the future record as the death knell of our republic.

One thing we have going for us: Greed. If there was to be some kind of cabal of international pirate bankers and corporatists working to take over the world, their own greed would set them against each other at some point. To paraphrase Neil Young, Greed never sleeps.

Obushma
09-29-2010, 12:14 PM
I don't know how much, if any, of this is true. I am always suspect at the idea of secret cabals of world conquering evil-doers, believing they fit more into the scheme of a James Bond movie.

Then read these two books and educate yourself.

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/1425/quigly.jpg

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/6405/creaturet.jpg

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-01-2010, 08:31 PM
http://bartblog.bartcop.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/cartoon-teabaggers-paradise1.gif

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-01-2010, 08:56 PM
Lies of the Tea Party

Friday 01 October 2010

by: Joe Conason, t r u t h o u t | Op-Ed
(http://www.truth-out.org/joe-conason-lies-tea-party63786)
For Americans still suffering from persistent unemployment, falling incomes and rising inequality, politicians of either party probably generate little enthusiasm. Yet although political ennui is understandable, the disaffection and demoralization of Democrats has created a dangerous political vacuum that is being filled with misleading data, urban legends and outright lies.

Indeed, the entire tea party movement was founded on false assumptions about the economic program that probably saved the country from a second Great Depression.
The nascent protests that came to be known as the tea party began as angry populist rants against the Troubled Asset Recovery Program (TARP), that notorious "bailout" of drowning banks and insurance companies, and the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, better known as the "stimulus program."

Red-faced traders and furious housewives joined forces against what they wrongly called "socialism," warning that our freedom was endangered, and that the nation might soon perish under burgeoning inflation and draconian regulation. They grew even more frantic when the Obama administration directed hundreds of billions of dollars in TARP funds toward the auto industry in loans and shares -- more socialism!

The real reason behind the irritation of the traders and their spokesmen on cable television was simple enough. The government had restricted their usual obscene bonuses in recognition of the fact that they had been saved by taxpayer funds from their own gross misconduct -- and should be not be rewarded for surviving on the teat.
As for the tea party housewives and their cohorts, the motives ranged from xenophobia to paranoia. But as the recovery lagged -- and the Obama White House failed to communicate its aims and achievements -- those typical symptoms of right-wing delusion showed up in a broader segment of the voting public.

In the meantime, the Republicans and their allies in the media managed to mischaracterize the president's health care reform bill as both a "government takeover" and a gift to the health insurance industry, although in reality it was neither. Most Americans who say that they dislike the bill have very little knowledge of its actual provisions -- which are quite popular when polled individually.

The average voter is equally unlikely to know the essential facts about the preservation of auto companies, the stimulus package or TARP -- which was approved with the votes of the same Republican leaders they may soon promote into the majority.

Nonpartisan experts both within and outside government have said for months that TARP not only saved the country from untold economic disaster, but that its repayments and warrants will end up as highly profitable investments. The auto industry isn't quite as sure to prosper as the banks, of course, but there is a reasonable likelihood that the government will make money on those investments, too -- while preserving a vital industry and millions of jobs.

As for the stimulus, economists across the ideological spectrum have contradicted the popular perception -- promoted by tea party publicists -- that the program didn't work and may even have done harm. The Republicans insist that government cannot create jobs and that public expenditure only "crowds out" private-sector investment.

But contrary to that Chamber of Commerce mythology, the private sector is currently sitting on more than $3 trillion, in banks and corporate accounts, that is not being invested because of insufficient demand. Rather than the rampant inflation predicted by the tea party ideologues, we have seen no real inflation -- because demand is still insufficient to re-inflate the economy. The Barack Obama stimulus program was enough to prevent the complete deflation that might have led to a depression, but not enough to begin a full recovery in employment.

The same conservatives who now claim that Obama's program didn't work are those who once warned that President Clinton's program would lead to ruin -- just before the greatest peacetime expansion in history. Believe them at your peril.

epicSocialism4tw
10-01-2010, 09:07 PM
http://www.thepeoplescube.com/images/Pelosi_Nose_Pinoccio.jpg

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-01-2010, 09:24 PM
http://www.thepeoplescube.com/images/Pelosi_Nose_Pinoccio.jpg

Look who's slinging the "propaganda" and "cartoon spam" now.

McDramaQueen breaks his own rules. tsk tsk

Republicans - The "do as I say - not as I do" party.

epicSocialism4tw
10-01-2010, 09:30 PM
Look who's slinging the "propaganda" and "cartoon spam" now.

McDramaQueen breaks his own rules. tsk tsk

Republicans - The "do as I say - not as I do" party.

Oh?

You dont like it?

I wonder why? Hm.....Hilarious!

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-01-2010, 09:37 PM
Oh?

You dont like it?

I wonder why? Hm.....Hilarious!

Couldn't care less about satire at the expense of politicians about whom I couldn't care less.

I was just noting your double standard.

epicSocialism4tw
10-01-2010, 09:44 PM
Couldn't care less about satire at the expense of politicians about whom I couldn't care less.

I was just noting your double standard.

http://www.the-parenting-magazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/free-internet-games-for-kids-2.jpg

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-01-2010, 09:47 PM
^

And there's the "can't deny the evidence that I'm all about the double standard."

epicSocialism4tw
10-01-2010, 09:48 PM
^

And there's the "can't deny the evidence that I'm all about the double standard."

http://www.osovo.com/pics/crying/crying-baby06.jpg

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-01-2010, 10:00 PM
^

Translation: "Spamming the board is OK when I do it, because I'm a good, God-fearing, right-thinking Christian and a republican."

- AngryDramaQueen

epicSocialism4tw
10-01-2010, 10:01 PM
^

Translation: "Spamming the board is OK when I do it, because I'm a good, God-fearing, right-thinking Christian and a republican."

- AngryDramaQueen

More like "LABF can dish it out, but when it gets thrown back at him he runs home to mommy."

ant1999e
10-01-2010, 11:01 PM
:peace:Let me guess: You heard this rumor from the same source that told you Iraq had WMD, that spending the surplus on tax cuts for the wealthy would stimulate the economy and create jobs, etc? :mullet2:

LABF has him some Obama Movement in a shadow box on his mantel.:peace:

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-01-2010, 11:08 PM
More like "LABF can dish it out, but when it gets thrown back at him he runs home to mommy."

"Runs?"

Ah, I guess you have to imagine that before you can declare an imaginary victory.

Ha!

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-01-2010, 11:09 PM
:peace:

LABF has him some Obama Movement in a shadow box on his mantel.:peace:

pissant1999e has him some monogrammed 'W' knee pads. :mullet1:

mhgaffney
10-02-2010, 04:30 AM
The poll showing that 55% of Americans think Obama is a socialist (after he bailed out Wall Street and passed a health care bill designed to enrich the AMA, HBOs and Big Pharm) is the most mind boggling number we've seen -- since the poll back in 2003 showing that 70% of Americans believed that Saddam was behind 9/11.

This new poll about Obama is a triumph of the US propaganda system. It supports the contention that Obama was a Manchurian candidate from the beginning.

The guy can arouse a crowd -- while managing to say absolutely nothing. Think about how nuts that is.

But it does appear the rhetoric is no longer working. We are about to fly from the frying pan into the fire.

Rohirrim
10-02-2010, 06:41 AM
Uh oh. Der Gaffernator is buying into the Manchurian Candidate conspiracy. There's no conspiracy made that Gaffo won't suck up, other than the conspiracy of innocence. He won't buy that one. Everybody is guilty.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-02-2010, 07:23 AM
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Rohirrim
10-02-2010, 07:43 AM
Every child born is innocent. In other words, waves of innocence enter the world every day. Just as waves of cynicism head for the exits. ;D

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L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-02-2010, 08:05 AM
Every child born is innocent.

Absolutely.

Too bad that innocence is so quickly lost in the absence of grownups (who are in short supply these days.)

JJJ
10-02-2010, 10:53 AM
Every child born is innocent. In other words, waves of innocence enter the world every day. Just as waves of cynicism head for the exits. ;D

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So I guess the aborted ones must be guilty.

Obushma
10-02-2010, 11:20 AM
Every child born is innocent.

Oh please, the children are realizing how stupid their parents have been. The Boomers let the thieves rob America blind, now your "children" will be footing the bill.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-02-2010, 04:17 PM
Oh please, the children are realizing how stupid their parents have been. The Boomers let the thieves rob America blind, now your "children" will be footing the bill.

Hopefully you're not referring to the Bush Youth.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-07-2010, 08:21 AM
Tea and Crackers: How Corporate Interests and Republican Insiders Built the Tea Party Monster (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/17390/210904)


Tea Party Closely Linked to Religious Right, Poll Finds (http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2010/10/tea-party-closely-linked-to-religious-right-poll-finds.html)

epicSocialism4tw
10-07-2010, 08:30 AM
Tea and Crackers: How Corporate Interests and Republican Insiders Built the Tea Party Monster (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/17390/210904)


Tea Party Closely Linked to Religious Right, Poll Finds (http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2010/10/tea-party-closely-linked-to-religious-right-poll-finds.html)

Wow, thats some completely unbiased information there! Ha!

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-07-2010, 08:54 AM
Wow, thats some completely unbiased information there! Ha!

I guess that's one way to bypass the question of whether it's factual or not.

We can always count on you to attack the messenger when the message exposes inconvenient facts.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-20-2010, 12:48 PM
Tea Party Populism RIP: Beck Backs Pro-TARP, Pro-Stimulus Chamber Of Commerce

The Tea Party has long attempted to portray itself as a populist movement -- angry both at Wall Street bailouts and social spending. The notion of government action working to save the private sector from collapse was literally depicted as a giant step towards Nazism (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,512218,00.html), most prominently by unofficial Tea Party leader Glenn Beck.

And it is that Glenn Beck who today wrapped his arms around the U.S. Chamber Of Commerce business lobbyists who, when facing crisis, clamored for that government help -- the fascism known as TARP, and the slavery known as the stimulus.
Today, Beck cut a check for $10,000 to the Chamber of Commerce, and urged his radio listeners to follow his lead. "They are us" (http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1010/Beck_raises_for_Chamber_of_Commerce.html?showall) said Beck.

What is it that so closely bonds the Chamber with Beck?

Not TARP.

Here's Glenn Beck, talking about TARP (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,512218,00.html) in April 2009:
...where socialism sought totalitarian control of a society's economic process through direct state operations of the means of production, fascism sought to control indirectly through the domination of nominally private owners. Would you say that this is what's happening with G.M. right now? And AIG? ...

… We're giving our freedoms away. G.M., AIG, any of these banks, Citigroup — they're all giving their freedom away for security.

A few weeks later, Glenn Beck said TARP was "exactly what happened to the lead-up with Hitler." (http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200904210004)

Yet here's Glenn Beck's soulmate, the Chamber of Commerce, testifying to Congress about TARP (http://www.house.gov/apps/list/hearing/financialsvcs_dem/quaadman_testimony.pdf%3Cbr%20/%3E9/17/09) in September 2009, one year after the bailout was enacted:
The U.S. Chamber of Commerce lobbied for the creation of the TARP program and continues to support efforts to improve the program to ensure its success. With banks not lending, businesses lost the liquidity needed to function, while simultaneously, consumer spending, which makes up 70% of our economy, was shrinking at an historic rate. Simply put, the financial crisis had driven the United States to its worst economic predicament since the Great Depression. In order for businesses to function and for an economic recovery to take hold, the financial services sector needed immediate shoring up and that vehicle was TARP.

…The TARP program has had its problems, but a year later we can say that an outright collapse was avoided, the financial sector is stabilizing, and the first signs are appearing that an economic recovery is taking hold.

Is that the United States Chamber of Commerce or the gas chamber of Auschwitz?

Well, maybe Beck and the Chamber come together on the most defining act of Obama presidency: the stimulus.

Not quite.

Glenn Beck equated the stimulus to "slavery": (http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200902100007)
It is the nanny state. They're going to tell us what we can eat, they're can tell us what our temperature needs to be in our homes, they can tell us what kind of car to drive. They can tell businesses how to run their business. It's slavery. It is slavery.

Meanwhile, the Chamber of Commerce was lobbying for our enslavement: (http://www.uschamber.com/press/releases/2009/february/us-chamber-outlines-support-legislation-creates-jobs-helps-small-busine)
The global economy is in uncharted and dangerous waters and inaction from Washington is not an option. No package of this size can be perfect but we need a bill that will unlock capital markets, free up credit, and create momentum in the economy...

...Spending on 'shovel-ready' construction projects, expanding broadband access, and modernizing our health care information are major steps toward boosting our nation's infrastructure and creating American jobs...

...We urge both chambers of Congress to swiftly pass the bill.

The marriage of Beck to the Chamber exposes the hypocrisy of both.
Why would Beck embrace an institution that supports the things he claims will end a free America?

Because he is just another conservative hack who wants to defeat Democrats, and will say anything, and give money to anyone who can further that goal.

Why is the Chamber fighting so hard to defeat the President and the Democratic congressional leadership, when in its own words, they saved its bacon?

Because the Chamber is just fine with government help for CEOs, but not for anyone else. They want all the handouts from the public, without any of the responsibility to act in the public interest.

The Chamber already got theirs from the Democrats. Now that new regulations are coming with it, the Chamber can move on.

I am sure there are some actual rank-and-file Tea Partiers who, like many progressives, felt that our government did too much for Wall Street and without doing enough for Main Street.

But the fact is: the current leadership in Washington did something for Main Street -- more jobs, more health care, more consumer protection than if our government stepped aside.

While Tea Party leaders and financiers, like Glenn Beck, Dick Armey and the Koch brothers have, in Beck's own words today, put their money where their mouth is. (http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1010/Beck_raises_for_Chamber_of_Commerce.html?showall) And that's on Wall Street.

mhgaffney
10-21-2010, 10:58 AM
LABF has put his thumb on one of the biggest problems -- the fact that so many people are confused about what is happening -- and therefor confused about who the actual enemy is.

W*GS
10-21-2010, 11:00 AM
LABF has put his thumb on one of the biggest problems -- the fact that so many people are confused about what is happening -- and therefor confused about who the actual enemy is.

Funny how a "peace activist" tosses around "enemy" all the time.

The real enemy is "banksters" (gaff-o talk for "Jews"), right?

mhgaffney
10-21-2010, 11:01 AM
Much of the seed $$$ for the tea party came from the third richest men in America- - the Koch brothers who of course support the Wall Street bail out.

So why would any true anti globalist have anything to do with such a movement -- which is in fact a facade -- a front for continuing and INCREASING Wall Street control over our lives?

Good question. Time to wake up, America.

mhgaffney
10-21-2010, 11:03 AM
America's False Consciousness

By Charles Sullivan

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article26648.htm

October 20, 2010 "Information Clearing House" -- An essay authored by Patrick Martin, and published at the World Socialist Web Site on October 13, 2010, revealed some interesting findings regarding the approval ratings of Democratic and Republican members of Congress. Martin’s piece was titled Demagogy and Duplicity: The Democrats in the 2010 Elections. He cites data from a Zogby International Poll of independent voters which found that “only 13% gave a favorable rating to congressional Democrats and only 5% to Congressional Republicans.” Considering that the U.S. is the most conservative developed nation on earth, these are astonishing revelations.

Poll after poll indicates that voters have lost faith in the Democratic and Republican Parties, whose respective approval ratings have fallen to historical lows. The Zogby findings indicate a repudiation of right-wing politics by those who are not wed to either of the major political parties.

No one associates liberalism with the Republicans; however, it is equally clear that the Democrats do not have a functioning left-wing either. The electoral choices are between right-wing candidates in the Democrat and Republican parties, despite the offerings of political parties and organizations operating outside of the mainstream. As a result, all of the contests are between pro-corporate candidates who occupy the extreme right of the political spectrum. The only message that reaches the public ear is that of the ruling class. Thus the continuity of results is assured.

The paradox is that while independent working class people have overwhelmingly rejected right-wing policies, the country nevertheless continues to lurch further to the right. This happens when people mistake people like Obama for a liberal or a Socialist. Conservative and liberal working class people should be philosophically and ethically opposed to any political party that undermines their social and economic interests.

Almost inexplicably, conservatives continue to identify themselves with Republicans and liberals with Democrats. Traditional conservatives and traditional liberals, while still in existence, are politically extinct. Neither conservatives nor liberals are organized into a viable political force. They are fighting one another while the super-rich are looting the public treasure and privatizing the public domain. Traditional conservatives and traditional liberals were replaced by neoconservatives and neoliberals, which are entirely different animals. We behave as if the terms ‘conservative’ and ‘liberal’ and the parties they were traditionally associated with continue to exist and function the way they did in the past.

Liberalism no longer finds articulation in the Democratic Party. Cynthia McKinney may have been the last truly liberal Democrat. McKinney, like the liberal wing of the party itself, was abandoned when the party sold out its liberal base to pursue corporate bribes in order to compete with the Republicans. As a result, the left continues to ineffectually grope for political expression.

The trouble is that the people do not comprehend who or what the real enemy is. Let me clarify it for them: The enemy is the ruling class, its social, financial, and political institutions, and the capitalist system that spawned them. Its enemy is the corporate state and the commercial media in its various forms of expression.

It is irrational, if not delusional, for working class people to support candidates and polices to which they are philosophically opposed. And yet that is what they are doing. As recent polls make clear, neither conservatives nor progressives want to have their social security benefits cut. They do not want to see their retirement benefits reduced, or their Medicare and Medicaid payments slashed. The unemployed do not want their unemployment checks cut or eliminated, as some Republican members of Congress advocate. Workers do not want the retirement age raised. They do not want to see college tuition priced out of reach to all but the wealthy.

The working class consists of liberals and conservatives. It encompasses the devoted followers of Glen Beck and Rush Limbaugh. However, Beck, Limbaugh, Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin, and all of the other right-wing crackpots support such policies, as do most Democrats, including President Obama. Why would any working class person, Democrat or Republican, support any of these charlatans?

Why would they support a social and economic system that exploits and subjugates them? Clearly they do not understand that system or the alternatives that are available to it.

The answer is that Americans are too indoctrinated to see clearly. The majority exists in a media-induced state of false consciousness. To them, up is down and down is up. Brown is white and white is brown. The people are confused and disoriented. They are misled and lied to. They are looking for quick and easy fixes to complex problems that were long in the making. For the reasons outlined above, voting cannot cure what ails America. The game is fixed. The appearance of choice is an illusion, an utter hoax.

Political and media demagogues portray liberals (progressives & Socialists), which continue to be miscast as democrats, as the enemy of the working class. Working people do not comprehend that the benefits they are fighting to preserve were the result of progressive policies, many of them stemming from Franklin Roosevelt’s New Deal. Conservatives, neoconservatives, and neoliberals have always opposed these policies and have fought to end them since the day of their inception. Let us not forget that FDR was accused by one of his adversaries of being “a traitor to his class.”

It would be a mistake, however, to confuse FDR for a genuine progressive. Certainly he was no socialist. It was his Secretary of Labor, Frances Perkins, a Democratic Socialist, not FDR, who was the principal architect of The New Deal. It should be noted, too, that The New Deal excluded most blacks. It was essentially affirmative action for whites. Spooked by the social unrest engendered by The Great Depression, FDR, an avowed capitalist, perceived these policies as the only way to save capitalism from the socialist threat of his time. Roosevelt was correct in his assessment. It would have been better for the nation in the long run if FDR did not enact The New Deal. If he had not, it is likely that massive social upheaval would have ensued, and Socialism may well have supplanted capitalism as the dominant paradigm.

Before any of my readers point out the failure of Soviet Socialism, particularly under the murderous Stalin regime, let me state that this was not Socialism as Marx, Engels, and Trotsky envisioned it; it was state capitalism.

Similarly, if President Obama did not bail out America’s financial institutions with public funds, global capitalism would have collapsed. Predicated upon greed and exploitation, these institutions should have been allowed to fail, bringing down the global capitalist economy. If Adam Smith’s much ballyhooed, ‘invisible hand of the market’ actually existed, the world today would look very different than it did a few short years ago. We might actually be in recovery. Now we are waiting for the next onslaught.

History demonstrates that free (deregulated) markets, the Holy Grail of Milton Friedman’s capitalism, do not actually exist. They never have. Free market capitalism is an ideological myth that is reified in our culture. Markets are always manipulated by elites for the sole benefit of elites. Otherwise the global economy would have fallen like a row of dominoes two years ago. What we witnessed was Socialism (public funds) propping up capitalism (privately owned financial institutions). All of the benefit, to the tune of $13.8 trillion, went to the financial institutions and to the elite. Working people were rewarded with government-imposed austerity. This has occurred not only in the U.S. but elsewhere in the world.

The international financial aristocracy is laying the foundation for global governance. The public domain is being privatized. The poor are no longer part of the social and political discourse.

As a result of these policies, there is social turmoil in every capitalist nation on earth, except the U.S. Compared to the rest of the world, Americans are comatose, which is the result of so many people being informed by Rush Limbaugh, Fox News, and other wealthy demagogues working the airwaves on behalf of the ruling class. Most Americans are informed by ideology, not by facts.

This is what Friedrich Nietzsche meant by conviction. Reality pales before the shadow of belief and false hope. Plato’s “Allegory of the Cave” comes to mind. Fantasy becomes the norm. Capitalism would not long endure in the presence of collective true consciousness. It exists by deceit.

Charles Sullivan is a naturalist and free-lance writer residing in the hinterlands of geopolitical West Virginia.

Rohirrim
10-21-2010, 11:23 AM
Can't really disagree with any of that. Sad to say.

mhgaffney
10-21-2010, 11:33 AM
Here's a good piece about the Koch financial empire -- and its support of the tea party phenom:

The Koch Empire and Americans for Prosperity

By PAM MARTENS

http://www.counterpunch.org/martens10192010.html

Obushma
10-21-2010, 11:55 AM
Much of the seed $$$ for the tea party came from the third richest men in America- - the Koch brothers who of course support the Wall Street bail out.

So why would any true anti globalist have anything to do with such a movement -- which is in fact a facade -- a front for continuing and INCREASING Wall Street control over our lives?

Good question. Time to wake up, America.

While I don't disagree that there has been money donated by the Koch brothers to back Neocons trying to hijack the Tea Party, most people understand what the true Tea Party is about. We don't need the MSM's interpretation of what it is for us. We welcome with open arms, true conservatives, who realize authoritarian Neocons had the wool pulled over their eyes. We also welcome Liberals who realize there is no way to stop the endless wars, unless we get people who are non-interventionists into office.

Time to wake up Gaffney, put down the Chomsky, there was one man who fueled this whole movement...and he ain't done yet!!!

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-21-2010, 12:49 PM
While I don't disagree that there has been money donated by the Koch brothers to back Neocons trying to hijack the Tea Party....


You still haven't answered the fundamental question "why would Koch, et al, feel the Tea Party was a movement it would be to their advantage to co-opt?"

Obushma
10-21-2010, 02:58 PM
You still haven't answered the fundamental question "why would Koch, et al, feel the Tea Party was a movement it would be to their advantage to co-opt?"

That's a question you'd have to ask the Koch brothers. Personally, I believe the Neocons/Social Repubs are clinging to the Tea Party as their only hope for the future. They saw the grassroots movement taking place at a local level and knew this wasn't something they could stop. It works the same way as when Liberals became Neocons and embedded themselves in the GOP, those same Neocons are now trying to shed their old skin and put on another. It's quite easy too see if you've followed the history behind Neoconservativism, bunch of Authoritarian bastards just like their brothers, the Democrats.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-21-2010, 03:04 PM
It works the same way as when Liberals became Neocons...

Huh? ???

Obushma
10-21-2010, 03:11 PM
Huh? ???

Look up Leo Strauss and Irving Krystol, both Troykists, both Liberal, both founders of Neoconservitism.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-21-2010, 03:27 PM
Look up Leo Strauss and Irving Krystol, both Troykists, both Liberal, both founders of Neoconservitism.

What's a "Troykist?" Ha!

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-21-2010, 03:30 PM
Look up Leo Strauss and Irving Krystol, both Troykists, both Liberal, both founders of Neoconservitism.

You're trying to claim Leo Strauss was a liberal? ???

The guy was about as anti-liberal as it gets!

He basically believed that liberalism was responsible for all of the world's evils.

Obushma
10-21-2010, 03:53 PM
You're trying to claim Leo Strauss was a liberal? ???

He basically believed that liberalism was responsible for all of the world's evils.

He was a Troykist, and he believed liberals "lost their way".

Trotskyism -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trotskyism

The guy was about as anti-liberal as it gets!

I don't know, do you consider Marxism liberal?

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-21-2010, 04:43 PM
He was a Troykist, and he believed liberals "lost their way".

Trotskyism -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trotskyism

Again - what is a "Troykist?" Ha!



I don't know, do you consider Marxism liberal?

You're trying to claim that Strauss was a Marxist? ???

Where is your evidence for this?

At any rate...

Finally, responding to charges that Strauss's teachings fostered the neoconservative foreign policy of the George W. Bush administration, such as "unrealistic hopes for the spread of liberal democracy through military conquest," Professor Nathan Tarcov, Director of the Leo Strauss Center at the University of Chicago, in an article published in The American Interest asserts that Strauss as a political philosopher was essentially non-political. After an exegesis of the very limited practical political views to be gleaned from Strauss's writings, Tarkov concludes that "Strauss can remind us of the permanent problems, but we have only ourselves to blame for our faulty solutions to the problems of today."[32]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Strauss

Obushma
10-21-2010, 04:55 PM
again...

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mhgaffney
10-21-2010, 06:14 PM
Look guys, the important point was made by William Sullivan in the above posted piece.

To wit --

neo conservatives are extremists -- not true conservatives.

neo liberals are their kissing cousins -- far far from true liberals.

Orwell nailed it when he wrote that eastern totalitarianism and western predatory capitalism meet in the middle.

We are seeing this now. Can someone please explain the difference between a neo conservative and a neo liberal?

(This ought to be good.)

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-21-2010, 06:25 PM
Look guys, the important point was made by William Sullivan in the above posted piece.

To wit --

neo conservatives are extremists -- not true conservatives.

neo liberals are their kissing cousins -- far far from true liberals.

Orwell nailed it when he wrote that eastern totalitarianism and western predatory capitalism meet in the middle.

We are seeing this now. Can someone please explain the difference between a neo conservative and a neo liberal?

(This ought to be good.)

The term "neoliberal" can be rather misleading.

It has nothing to do with liberalism (which might be the source of ThyNatural's confusion.)

cutthemdown
10-21-2010, 07:23 PM
What is an "Obama movement"?

Anytime you take a crap.

Obushma
10-21-2010, 08:00 PM
The term "neoliberal" can be rather misleading.

It has nothing to do with liberalism (which might be the source of ThyNatural's confusion.)

Do you consider Obama a neoliberal?

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-21-2010, 08:16 PM
Do you consider Obama a neoliberal?

Ideologically, no - but as a matter of record, his response, as president, to the neoliberals has been one of appeasement.

Obushma
10-21-2010, 08:34 PM
Ideologically, no - but as a matter of record, his response, as president, to the neoliberals has been one of appeasement.

Then why all the knee-jerk from you on these forums? You'd think you'd be more critical of current administration mistakes and try to come up with some solutions instead of posting cartoons? Bush is gone, sitting in Panama with millions in his pocket...you think Obama is any different?

These people are bought and paid for. You think that bull**** about Obama having that secret meeting with Hillary Clinton in June 08 was coincidence? He was in Chantilly, Virginia, getting his VP picked for him.

barryr
10-21-2010, 08:39 PM
anytime you take a crap.

rofl!

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-21-2010, 09:07 PM
Then why all the knee-jerk from you on these forums? You'd think you'd be more critical of current administration mistakes and try to come up with some solutions instead of posting cartoons? Bush is gone, sitting in Panama with millions in his pocket...you think Obama is any different?

These people are bought and paid for. You think that bull**** about Obama having that secret meeting with Hillary Clinton in June 08 was coincidence? He was in Chantilly, Virginia, getting his VP picked for him.

You never fail to froth at the pie hole and go into full-on Tourette's mode when people don't co-sign your "both parties are equally to blame for our current crisis" fairy tale, do you?

Never mind the evidence that they're not even close.

That's what makes you just another ideologue and a faith-based nut case.

Obushma
10-21-2010, 09:19 PM
That's what makes you just another ideologue and a faith-based nut case.

Hilarious! How does believing in individual liberty and a non-interventionist foreign policy make me an ideologue? Is this idea really lost to the American people?

As to the other point, I can back anything I post with facts just like the video I posted earlier. You're just upset that the guy you've been backing, is the same as his predecessor. Help me to distinguish the difference between the two?

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-21-2010, 09:31 PM
Hilarious! How does believing in individual liberty and a non-interventionist foreign policy make me an ideologue? Is this idea really lost to the American people?

Huh? ???

Who said this?

You hearing voices again?

You're just upset that the guy you've been backing, is the same as his predecessor.

Challenging the lies and bullsh*t the right spews isn't the same thing as "backing" someone.

And why would I be "upset" when I've maintained all along that Obama = GOP Lite?

Remember: I was the guy who laughed at the chimps who said "Obama is the most liberal member of the Senate," etc., during the run-up to the election.

epicSocialism4tw
10-21-2010, 09:40 PM
Hilarious! How does believing in individual liberty and a non-interventionist foreign policy make me an ideologue? Is this idea really lost to the American people?

As to the other point, I can back anything I post with facts just like the video I posted earlier. You're just upset that the guy you've been backing, is the same as his predecessor. Help me to distinguish the difference between the two?

Its not worth arguing with LABF.

He's not here to discuss things on a message board, he's here to spam it with leftist propaganda.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-21-2010, 10:03 PM
Its not worth arguing with LABF.

He's not here to discuss things on a message board, he's here to spam it with leftist propaganda.

Translation: "I have absolutely no answer for any of the facts he presents, so my only recourse is to bury my head in the sand and dismiss all inconvenient or uncomfortable realities as 'leftist propaganda.'"

http://blog.karmona.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/ostrich.jpg

epicSocialism4tw
10-21-2010, 10:12 PM
Translation: "I have absolutely no answer for any of the facts he presents, so my only recourse is to bury my head in the sand and dismiss all inconvenient or uncomfortable realities as 'leftist propaganda.'"

You crap is leftist propaganda.

I'll keep an eye out to see if you ever post an article from a reputable source. And then I'll comment on it when you do.

You're as whacked out as your buddy Gaffney.

Obushma
10-21-2010, 10:12 PM
I've maintained all along that Obama = GOP Lite?

What does that even mean? Can you link me to a picture or a cartoon that explains "GOP Lite"?

epicSocialism4tw
10-21-2010, 10:14 PM
What does that even mean? Can you link me to a picture or a cartoon that explains "GOP Lite"?

Ha!

Classic.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-21-2010, 10:23 PM
What does that even mean? Can you link me to a picture or a cartoon that explains "GOP Lite"?

Maybe I should.

Cartoons seem to be the only things that make an impression on the minds of folks like you and McSpammer.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
04-15-2011, 07:19 PM
From the "hate to say I told ya so" files...

<big style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">"Boehner proclaims that there is 'no daylight' between he and the
Tea Party. If he actually believes that, he must have his eyes closed." </big><big>

- Angry teabagger Mark Mekler Link (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/14/at-the-local-level-tea-pa_n_849099.html)

</big><big style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">"The [continuing resolution] was Washington as usual. We elected Republicans because we were tired of the behind-closed-door antics of the beltway boys and four months in
we are right back where we started,"</big><big>

- Teabagger Andrew Hemingway Link (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/14/at-the-local-level-tea-pa_n_849099.html)</big>

Missouribronc
04-15-2011, 07:38 PM
LABF is celebrating because Big Business in Washington continues as planned...

Americans thought it would change and hack-job LABF is just loving watching the country be driven into the ground...because he gets to tell you "I told you so."

Douche-nozzle...partisan hack. He an Epic really are the same person, just LABF is a Democrat and Epic is a Republican. It's kind of sad, really.

Obushma
04-15-2011, 08:32 PM
Im happy you bumped this thread LABF, thank you.

Spider
04-16-2011, 05:48 AM
What does that even mean? Can you link me to a picture or a cartoon that explains "GOP Lite"?

it means Obama is continuing on with everything Bush has done , but is throwing in some trinkets for the left , this is why Drama Lama is the joke of the board ....... And it is hard to blame both parties for whats going on , if you have been paying attention over the last 10 years .... Thats why there is tea party , notice how its leaders are ex gop'ers ? they ruined the republican label , so now they dupe people into thinking they are a fresh new party

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
04-16-2011, 05:51 AM
LABF is celebrating because Big Business in Washington continues as planned....

http://blogs.westword.com/showandtell/02%20cool%20story%20bro.gif

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
04-16-2011, 05:53 AM
...they ruined the republican label , so now they dupe people into thinking they are a fresh new party

Ding ding ding!

We have a winner. :thumbsup:

epicSocialism4tw
04-16-2011, 06:34 AM
Ding ding ding!

We have a winner. :thumbsup:

Here's what you win:
http://www.sacredwaste.com/c/obama_is_a_socialist_t_shirt-p235385265082842955tdyc_400.jpg

mhgaffney
04-16-2011, 06:44 AM
You crap is leftist propaganda.

I'll keep an eye out to see if you ever post an article from a reputable source. And then I'll comment on it when you do.

You're as whacked out as your buddy Gaffney.

You're a liar.

You attempted to discredit teachers in Wisconsin for ripping off the system. You claimed they were making bloated salaries of $100,000/year.

That was total BS. It was wrong. Worse, because you never admitted to your error -- your post must be regarded as intentional disinformation.

In essence -- you lied.

Spider
04-16-2011, 07:02 AM
You're a liar.

You attempted to discredit teachers in Wisconsin for ripping off the system. You claimed they were making bloated salaries of $100,000/year.

That was total BS. It was wrong. Worse, because you never admitted to your error -- your post must be regarded as intentional disinformation.

In essence -- you lied.

wow ........... you finally got something right .......someone hacked your account

epicSocialism4tw
04-16-2011, 07:02 AM
You're a liar.

You attempted to discredit teachers in Wisconsin for ripping off the system. You claimed they were making bloated salaries of $100,000/year.

That was total BS. It was wrong. Worse, because you never admitted to your error -- your post must be regarded as intentional disinformation.

In essence -- you lied.

LOL

I post links. If you dont like whats at the link, then comment on it.

Otherwise, just keep up the wacked out hyper-leftist violent rhetoric.

Spider
04-16-2011, 07:03 AM
Drama also did the how much the Obma trip and its outrageous price tag that was false .... hell to many of his lies to list

Spider
04-16-2011, 07:04 AM
LOL

I post links. If you dont like whats at the link, then comment on it.

Otherwise, just keep up the wacked out hyper-leftist violent rhetoric.

LOL if someone were to post link to all of your lies or right wing hit job pieces , it would take over an hour

epicSocialism4tw
04-16-2011, 07:06 AM
LOL if someone were to post link to all of your lies or right wing hit job pieces , it would take over an hour

All of my lies?

I post links to liberal websites like Washington Post, cbs, etc. much more often than I post links to conservative websites.

I see that you guys have been so thoroughly defeated that you have nothing but slander left. Congrats, Spider.

Spider
04-16-2011, 07:13 AM
All of my lies?

I post links to liberal websites like Washington Post, cbs, etc. much more often than I post links to conservative websites.

I see that you guys have been so thoroughly defeated that you have nothing but slander left. Congrats, Spider.

Hilarious! dont blame me , your the one responsible for your actions here ......Slander Hilarious!

DenverBrit
04-16-2011, 07:36 AM
All of my lies?

I post links to liberal websites like Washington Post, cbs, etc. much more often than I post links to conservative websites.

I see that you guys have been so thoroughly defeated that you have nothing but slander left. Congrats, Spider.

Do you have examples of 'slander' on this board??

mhgaffney
04-16-2011, 07:47 AM
Here's what you win:
http://www.sacredwaste.com/c/obama_is_a_socialist_t_shirt-p235385265082842955tdyc_400.jpg

Epic can't explain how socialism for the top 1% translates to communism.

He never explains anything. He prefers to rant.

Epic is a tool - of the tiny group on Wall Street who control both parties. This type of disinfo serves their interests.

baja
04-16-2011, 08:00 AM
All of my lies?

I post links to liberal websites like Washington Post, cbs, etc. much more often than I post links to conservative websites.

I see that you guys have been so thoroughly defeated that you have nothing but slander left. Congrats, Spider.

So you are now distancing yourself from your stand because they have been proven false. A creditable Christian admits when he is wrong and if there was slander involved he apologizes for it. You are showing to be hypocritical.Not an effective way to sell Christianity.

TonyR
04-16-2011, 08:09 AM
I post links to liberal websites like Washington Post...


See this just proves what a know-nothing dope you are. The WaPo/Fred Hiatt editorial page has almost as many neocons as it does "liberals".

BroncoInferno
04-16-2011, 08:15 AM
Here's what you win:
http://www.sacredwaste.com/c/obama_is_a_socialist_t_shirt-p235385265082842955tdyc_400.jpg

I thought you told us Obama was just like Bush? Was Bush a commie, too?

alkemical
04-16-2011, 08:30 AM
So you are now distancing yourself from your stand because they have been proven false. A creditable Christian admits when he is wrong and if there was slander involved he apologizes for it. You are showing to be hypocritical.Not an effective way to sell Christianity.


And thus I clothe my naked villainy / With old odd ends stolen forth from holy writ/And seem a saint when most I play the devil.

Obushma
04-16-2011, 08:41 AM
it means Obama is continuing on with everything Bush has done , but is throwing in some trinkets for the left , this is why Drama Lama is the joke of the board ....... And it is hard to blame both parties for whats going on , if you have been paying attention over the last 10 years .... Thats why there is tea party , notice how its leaders are ex gop'ers ? they ruined the republican label , so now they dupe people into thinking they are a fresh new party

Ron Paul and Rand Paul are ex-gop'ers? Because it's Ron Paul who started the Tea Party, Ron Paul is the only Tea Party leader I know of. Are you here to spread lies like you are accusing others of?

Spider
04-16-2011, 08:42 AM
Ron Paul and Rand Paul are ex-gop'ers? Because it's Ron Paul who started the Tea Party, Ron Paul is the only Tea Party leader I know of. Are you here to spread lies like you are accusing others of?

LOL r u tellin me Ron Paul wasnt a gop'er ?

Obushma
04-16-2011, 08:52 AM
LOL r u tellin me Ron Paul wasnt a gop'er ?

Yeah, thats exactly what i'm telling you. He ran for president in 88 on the Libertarian ticket. What you're doing in trying to label all gop'ers as Neo-Cons is false, and you know it. Ron Paul is a Libertarian at heart, and the way he has represented true fiscal conservatism is to be respected.

Spider
04-16-2011, 09:00 AM
Yeah, thats exactly what i'm telling you. He ran for president in 88 on the Libertarian ticket. What you're doing in trying to label all gop'ers as Neo-Cons is false, and you know it. Ron Paul is a Libertarian at heart, and the way he has represented true fiscal conservatism is to be respected.

who is trying to deceive who ? 2008 as a candidate for the Republican nomination. It is widely expected that he will run again in 2012 as a Republican. A 2010 scientific poll conducted by Rasmussen Reports............
I know you want to keep this dream and hero worship going as long as you can , and I do kind feel guilty about smashing it for you , but the sooner the better

Spider
04-16-2011, 09:01 AM
Ron Paul is much as part of the GOP as is Boehner very little difference in the 2

Obushma
04-16-2011, 09:03 AM
who is trying to deceit who ? 2008 as a candidate for the Republican nomination. It is widely expected that he will run again in 2012 as a Republican. A 2010 scientific poll conducted by Rasmussen Reports............
I know you want to keep this dream and hero worship going as long as you can , and I do kind feel guilty about smashing it for you , but the sooner the better

Spider, I know you don't understand politics, so i'll just let this slide as a case of your always visable ignorance.

Obushma
04-16-2011, 09:04 AM
Ron Paul is much as part of the GOP as is Boehner very little difference in the 2

LOL

This right here, represents your political ignorance in a nutshell.

Spider
04-16-2011, 09:22 AM
Spider, I know you don't understand politics, so i'll just let this slide as a case of your always visable ignorance.

you got a bad case of hero worship

Spider
04-16-2011, 09:26 AM
LOL

This right here, represents your political ignorance in a nutshell.

Just the opposite , soon one day you will wake up out of your fairy tale dream and understand 1 is the same as the other , only a handful stand out , and that handful that do stand out are quickly smeared and discarded .. Ron Paul is a joke , always has been always will be , I wouldnt be shocked to find out you re loyal subscriber to the Ron Paul letters .......

Obushma
04-16-2011, 09:36 AM
Just the opposite , soon one day you will wake up out of your fairy tale dream and understand 1 is the same as the other , only a handful stand out , and that handful that do stand out are quickly smeared and discarded .. Ron Paul is a joke , always has been always will be , I wouldnt be shocked to find out you re loyal subscriber to the Ron Paul letters .......

Hilarious! Spider, if you truly believe that Ron Paul is establishment GOP, i'm truly sorry for your lack of intelligence.

DenverBrit
04-16-2011, 10:01 AM
Ron Paul and Rand Paul are ex-gop'ers? Because it's Ron Paul who started the Tea Party, Ron Paul is the only Tea Party leader I know of. Are you here to spread lies like you are accusing others of?

According to the local Tea Party organizers, Paul is not even close to 'leading' the Tea Party. He's sandwiched between Bachmann and Beck.
An October 2010 Washington Post canvass of 647 local Tea Party organizers asked "which national figure best represents your groups?" and got the following responses: no one 34%, Sarah Palin 14%, Glenn Beck 7%, Jim DeMint 6%, Ron Paul 6%, Michele Bachmann 4%.

Spider
04-16-2011, 10:03 AM
Hilarious! Spider, if you truely believe that Ron Paul is establishment GOP, i'm truely sorry for your lack of intellegence.

LOL so that was different Ron Paul kissing Steele's ass @ the Southern Republican Leadership Conference.......
or a different ron paul on TV talking about how Obamacare will benefit his republican party.... Ron Paul just found angle to make him different by attacking the fed reserve , same ole Move Tancredo did with immigration . and you are eating it up , but dont come cryin to me when the dream crashes :approve:

Obushma
04-16-2011, 10:04 AM
According to the local Tea Party organizers, Paul is not even close to 'leading' the Tea Party. He's sandwiched between Bachmann and Beck.

He doesn't lead it, he started it.

Spider
04-16-2011, 10:06 AM
According to the local Tea Party organizers, Paul is not even close to 'leading' the Tea Party. He's sandwiched between Bachmann and Beck.

Thats cause Ron Paul isnt a tea partier , Ron Paul is a republican , Much like Dennis Kucinich of the dems

Spider
04-16-2011, 10:09 AM
He doesn't lead it, he started it.

LOL the party he founded doesnt even want him ......what does that tell you

DenverBrit
04-16-2011, 10:10 AM
He doesn't lead it, he started it.

Ron Paul is the only Tea Party leader I know of. Are you here to spread lies like you are accusing others of?

Make up your mind!! Ha!

TailgateNut
04-16-2011, 10:25 AM
Make up your mind!! Ha!

Schizophrenics have an awful hard time of deciding which mind is actually controlling their thoughts!

Obushma
04-16-2011, 10:26 AM
LOL so that was different Ron Paul kissing Steele's ass @ the Southern Republican Leadership Conference.......

You got that the wrong way around there Spider, Steele was kissing Ron Paul's ass and there was a pic taken with Steele holding up Pauls book.

http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/8697/steelepaul.png (http://img714.imageshack.us/i/steelepaul.png/)

This was after Steele said this about the Afghanistan war:

Site libs love (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/02/michael-steele-says-afgha_n_633730.html)

"This was a war of Obama's choosing," Michael Steele said at the event. "This is not something the United States has actively prosecuted or wanted to engage in."

Steele also accused Obama of "demonizing Iraq while saying the battle really should be in Afghanistan."

"Well, if he's such a student of history, has he not understood that, you know, that's the one thing you don't do is engage in a land war in Afghanistan, alright, because everyone who's tried over a thousand years of history has failed," Steele continued.

Steele was then ambushed by Neo-Libs/Cons

Ron Paul followed up with:

"Michael Steele should not resign. Smart policies make smart politics. He is guiding the party in the right direction and we are on the verge of victory this fall. Chairman Steele should not back off. He is giving the country, especially young people, hope as he speaks truth about this war."

Michael Steele didn't support the Afghanistan war (if he truly did or not, who knows) and Ron Paul stood beside him publicly as the Anti-War Libertarian he is.

or a different ron paul on TV talking about how Obamacare will benefit his republican party....

You hard into Meth? Ha!

Ron Paul just found angle to make him different by attacking the fed reserve , same ole Move Tancredo did with immigration . and you are eating it up , but dont come cryin to me when the dream crashes :approve:

Yeah, Ron Paul attacking the Fed=Tancredo attacking immigration.

Do you truly believe that, or you just trying to get a rise out of me? Because if it's the former, you should stop posting in this forum, your statement is dripping with stupidity.

You're either one of the most un-informed human beings i've ever encountered on the net, or you're LABF posting on two accounts.

Obushma
04-16-2011, 10:29 AM
Make up your mind!! Ha!

He does lead the real Tea Party, I cant get across to Spider that there is a Tea Party and a TeaCon Party. The TeaCons obviously have the majority at this point, so it's pointless for me to try and argue that Ron Paul is leading the TeaCons.

LOL the party he founded doesnt even want him ......what does that tell you

That he's not represented by that party, he's overtaking it.

Schizophrenics have an awful hard time of deciding which mind is actually controlling their thoughts!

Coming from the board geriatric, and resident asshole, anything from you is a compliment.

Spider
04-16-2011, 10:48 AM
He does lead the real Tea Party, I cant get across to Spider that there is a Tea Party and a TeaCon Party. The TeaCons obviously have the majority at this point, so it's pointless for me to try and argue that Ron Paul is leading the TeaCons. LOL I was clearly talking bout the tea party and its leaders ...... you just started rambling off Hilarious!



That he's not represented by that party, he's overtaking it. Hilarious! he couldnt even control the party he started ,Ron Paul is a joke ...

Spider
04-16-2011, 10:51 AM
Yeah, Ron Paul attacking the Fed=Tancredo attacking immigration.

Do you truly believe that, or you just trying to get a rise out of me? Because if it's the former, you should stop posting in this forum, your statement is dripping with stupidity.

You're either one of the most un-informed human beings i've ever encountered on the net, or you're LABF posting on two accounts.

LOL all I m doing is showing you the light , and as par for the course you choose to put blinders on ........ no party really wants Paul , just small group of idiots believe in him . there is a reason why him and his adult sperm run in the south ........

DenverBrit
04-16-2011, 01:21 PM
He does lead the real Tea Party,

Ok, which is it, does he lead it or not??

The Tea Party organizers say no.......and a big NO!

You say yes!......no!......yes!

http://www.cpsu.org.au/multiattachments/22017/Image/VOTING%20Yes%20or%20No%20push%20buttons.jpg

BABronco
04-16-2011, 04:44 PM
You guys really are morons if you can't tell the difference between the tea party Ron Paul started in november of 2007 and what the neocons high jacked in 2009 to take office.
Do you guys choose not to think or are you truly stuck on the dem vs rep bs?

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
04-16-2011, 05:24 PM
I thought you told us Obama was just like Bush? Was Bush a commie, too?

Ha!

Such is EpicNutter's confused, schizo world.

mosca
04-16-2011, 06:46 PM
You guys really are morons if you can't tell the difference between the tea party Ron Paul started in november of 2007 and what the neocons high jacked in 2009 to take office.
Do you guys choose not to think or are you truly stuck on the dem vs rep bs?
It's more fun and easier to simplify things for some folks. The Democrat vs. Republican argument is about as relevant as arguing what's better, Bud Lite or Miller Lite. Both are garbage.

Spider
04-16-2011, 07:06 PM
You guys really are morons if you can't tell the difference between the tea party Ron Paul started in november of 2007 and what the neocons high jacked in 2009 to take office.
Do you guys choose not to think or are you truly stuck on the dem vs rep bs?

LOL well genius , Ron Paul wasnt strong enough to hold the party then ...... But hey he is great leader Hilarious!Hilarious!

Spider
04-16-2011, 07:06 PM
It's more fun and easier to simplify things for some folks. The Democrat vs. Republican argument is about as relevant as arguing what's better, Bud Lite or Miller Lite. Both are garbage.

LOL ........ another Ron Paul worshiper ....

mosca
04-16-2011, 07:15 PM
Yup, Spider - Obama's policies of continuing the disasters of the Bush era sure are working well for this country. Glad that the masses followed your lead and put the guy you were jocking into office instead of Ron Paul.

Spider
04-16-2011, 07:40 PM
Yup, Spider - Obama's policies of continuing the disasters of the Bush era sure are working well for this country. Glad that the masses followed your lead and put the guy you were jocking into office instead of Ron Paul.

LOL ummmmm show me where I have supported Obama ... my Candidate was Hillary ... in fact I just posted bout Obama not havin the Balls to pay the price Bill Clinton did .........

mosca
04-16-2011, 08:12 PM
I do remember you supporting Hillary until Obama got the nomination. Who knows if she would have done anything differently. I suspect she would be just as pro-war as Obama. When it comes to the bailouts, if she was anything like Bill, she woulda been on board with that as well.

I hope you remember Bill Clinton, along with Larry Summers and Robert Rubin were the ones who, along with the Republicans, allowed the financial services industry to be de-regulated in the 90s. Not to mention pushing NAFTA through. Pay a price my ass - Bill Clinton sold out the U.S. public the same way that Obama did when he refused to prosecute any of the criminals behind the recent financial collapse.

Spider
04-17-2011, 05:46 AM
I do remember you supporting Hillary until Obama got the nomination. Who knows if she would have done anything differently. I suspect she would be just as pro-war as Obama. When it comes to the bailouts, if she was anything like Bill, she woulda been on board with that as well.

I hope you remember Bill Clinton, along with Larry Summers and Robert Rubin were the ones who, along with the Republicans, allowed the financial services industry to be de-regulated in the 90s. Not to mention pushing NAFTA through. Pay a price my ass - Bill Clinton sold out the U.S. public the same way that Obama did when he refused to prosecute any of the criminals behind the recent financial collapse.

no doubt Hillary would be pro war , the Bail outs of course , but she like her husband , would have tackled the energy ....... and No Bill didnt sell us out , NAFTA wasnt the best idea , but it didnt sell us out , Canada been playin fast and loose with the Beef ban soft lumber issue and Mexico's corruption here as of late ......and Deregulation been going on since Carter .......
here is how I view Deregulation ..for example Texas is raising Speedlimits to 80 to 85 mph , in a way deregulating speed , the law says I can go 80 so I go 80 , I see a car passing a mini van full of family on a road trip , the car passing is only doing 70 , Although I see em I cant slow down in time , I smash the car passing .........end result , I was driving my truck at a speed where I couldnt control it no matter what happens .......you have to keep your truck at speed where you can control it , same way with any other business ........

Arkie
04-17-2011, 08:57 AM
It's the federal government that is speeding out of control with a third straight year of $1 trillion-plus deficits. The monthly deficit for February was more than all of 2007. Then March exceeded it too.

Obushma
04-17-2011, 09:02 AM
It's the federal government that is speeding out of control with a third straight year of $1 trillion-plus deficits. The monthly deficit for February was more than all of 2007. Then March exceeded it too.

You'd have better luck explaining politics to a pile of horse ****.

mosca
04-17-2011, 11:24 AM
here is how I view Deregulation ..for example Texas is raising Speedlimits to 80 to 85 mph , in a way deregulating speed , the law says I can go 80 so I go 80 , I see a car passing a mini van full of family on a road trip , the car passing is only doing 70 , Although I see em I cant slow down in time , I smash the car passing .........end result , I was driving my truck at a speed where I couldnt control it no matter what happens .......you have to keep your truck at speed where you can control it , same way with any other business ........
The banksters promised they would do this when deregulation was being pushed on the American public... "sure, sure, we have ethics, we will police ourselves, just relax the rules on us!"

Look where that got us. Scum like Goldman Sachs and the rest have no ethics and can't be trusted with anything.

Arkie
04-17-2011, 12:09 PM
Goldman has their hand in making the regulations that prevent smaller competitors from competing.

BABronco
04-17-2011, 01:27 PM
LOL well genius , Ron Paul wasn't strong enough to hold the party then ...... But hey he is great leader Hilarious!Hilarious!

Well genius, Ron Paul holds the original tea party. The one not funded by corporations, the one that is actually trying something different than the republicrats. I understand how you are confused being fed bs by the corporate media. The same media that marginalized the one man saying something different than anyone else on the stage. Thankfully some sheep are beginning to wake up and see the bs that they have been fed, apparently you are not one of em. Enjoy eating up that bs spider.

DenverBrit
04-17-2011, 04:22 PM
No matter where one looks, it's hard to argue that Paul has control of the Tea Party. If there are two versions of the TP, how would we know??

April 14, 2010 6:30 PM
Tea Party Supporters: Who They Are and What They Believe
They're white. They're older. And they're angry.

CBS News and the New York Times surveyed 1,580 adults, including 881 self-identified Tea Party supporters, to get a snapshot of the Tea Party movement. There is a lot of information to unpack; let's begin with the demographics.

Eighteen percent of Americans identify as Tea Party supporters. The vast majority of them -- 89 percent -- are white. Just one percent is black.

They tend to skew older: Three in four are 45 years old or older, including 29 percent who are 65 plus. They are also more likely to be men (59 percent) than women (41 percent).

More than one in three (36 percent) hails from the South, far more than any other region. Twenty-five percent come from the West, 22 percent from the Midwest, and 18 percent from the northeast.

Views on Race

Tea Party supporters are less likely than Americans overall to believe whites have more opportunities to get ahead than blacks.

Just 16 percent of Tea Party supporters say whites have more opportunities to get ahead, compared to 31 percent of all Americans. Seventy-three percent say both have equal opportunity, compared to 60 percent of Americans overall.

Fifty-two percent believe too much has been made of the problems facing black people. Far fewer Americans overall -- 28 percent -- believe as much. Among non-Tea Party whites, the percentage who say too much attention has been paid to the problems of black people is 23 percent.

A majority of Tea Party suppers believe the Obama administration treats both blacks and whites the same way. But one in four believe the administration favors blacks over whites, an opinion shared by just 11 percent of Americans overall and seven percent of non-Tea Party whites.

More.........
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20002529-503544.html
http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim//2010/04/14/image6396386.gif

http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim//2010/04/14/image6396389.gifhttp://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim//2010/04/14/image6396384_370x278.gif

http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim//2010/04/14/image6396387.gif

elsid13
04-17-2011, 04:41 PM
So 62% of the Tea-baggers supportors have less then 2 years of college education. I bet if you ask them they also have non favorable view of individuals that have hold four year college or grad school educations.

elsid13
04-17-2011, 04:42 PM
And for the recorder I would hold the Chinese Boxers of 1800s the first anti-global movement political movement.

TailgateNut
04-17-2011, 08:27 PM
No matter where one looks, it's hard to argue that Paul has control of the Tea Party. If there are two versions of the TP, how would we know??

April 14, 2010 6:30 PM
Tea Party Supporters: Who They Are and What They Believe
They're white. They're older. And they're angry.

CBS News and the New York Times surveyed 1,580 adults, including 881 self-identified Tea Party supporters, to get a snapshot of the Tea Party movement. There is a lot of information to unpack; let's begin with the demographics.

Eighteen percent of Americans identify as Tea Party supporters. The vast majority of them -- 89 percent -- are white. Just one percent is black.

They tend to skew older: Three in four are 45 years old or older, including 29 percent who are 65 plus. They are also more likely to be men (59 percent) than women (41 percent).

More than one in three (36 percent) hails from the South, far more than any other region. Twenty-five percent come from the West, 22 percent from the Midwest, and 18 percent from the northeast.

Views on Race

Tea Party supporters are less likely than Americans overall to believe whites have more opportunities to get ahead than blacks.

Just 16 percent of Tea Party supporters say whites have more opportunities to get ahead, compared to 31 percent of all Americans. Seventy-three percent say both have equal opportunity, compared to 60 percent of Americans overall.

Fifty-two percent believe too much has been made of the problems facing black people. Far fewer Americans overall -- 28 percent -- believe as much. Among non-Tea Party whites, the percentage who say too much attention has been paid to the problems of black people is 23 percent.

A majority of Tea Party suppers believe the Obama administration treats both blacks and whites the same way. But one in four believe the administration favors blacks over whites, an opinion shared by just 11 percent of Americans overall and seven percent of non-Tea Party whites.

More.........
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20002529-503544.html
http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim//2010/04/14/image6396386.gif

http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim//2010/04/14/image6396389.gifhttp://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim//2010/04/14/image6396384_370x278.gif

http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim//2010/04/14/image6396387.gif



WOW!!!

DenverBrit
04-17-2011, 09:11 PM
WOW!!!

It's hard to argue the TP is nothing more than a neocon Trojan horse.

Obushma
04-17-2011, 09:22 PM
It's hard to argue the TP is nothing more than a neocon Trojan horse.

Funny how that works huh? Seeing as how the Neocon party was actually a trojan horse for the liberals.

Spider
04-17-2011, 09:27 PM
Well genius, Ron Paul holds the original tea party. The one not funded by corporations, the one that is actually trying something different than the republicrats. I understand how you are confused being fed bs by the corporate media. The same media that marginalized the one man saying something different than anyone else on the stage. Thankfully some sheep are beginning to wake up and see the bs that they have been fed, apparently you are not one of em. Enjoy eating up that bs spider. LOL .......... oh wait you are serious

BABronco
04-17-2011, 10:43 PM
It's hard to argue the TP is nothing more than a neocon Trojan horse.

Agreed, however you are talking bout the teaocons. They hijacked the original tea party movement which was started by a more libertarian group. They liked the brand name but not the actual message. They tweak it,

BABronco
04-17-2011, 11:23 PM
ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?288106-Sarah-Palin-Tea-Party-wouldn-t-exist-without-President-Obama..

Prime example of the difference between tea parties. Sarah Palin a leader of the teaocons states the tea party would not exist without President Obama.

As I stated earlier in the thread, the original tea party started 2007. It was in response to the tarp bailout.

Just read several posts in the thread. Everyone is railing on Palin and the teaocons stating they weren't there during bush years. One person even states the tea party (implied teaocons) would not exist if it weren't for Obama simply cause the reps do not care what happens while they have one of their own in office... Kinda like all those anti war dems that seem to have disappeared now that they got one of their own in office.

There is a difference in the tea parties. All you have to do is open your eyes to see it. There isn't much of a difference between, if any, between a majority of reps and dems. Its okay though. Keep your eyes closed and vote for your team.

Spider
04-18-2011, 09:01 AM
ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?288106-Sarah-Palin-Tea-Party-wouldn-t-exist-without-President-Obama..

Prime example of the difference between tea parties. Sarah Palin a leader of the teaocons states the tea party would not exist without President Obama.

As I stated earlier in the thread, the original tea party started 2007. It was in response to the tarp bailout.

Just read several posts in the thread. Everyone is railing on Palin and the teaocons stating they weren't there during bush years. One person even states the tea party (implied teaocons) would not exist if it weren't for Obama simply cause the reps do not care what happens while they have one of their own in office... Kinda like all those anti war dems that seem to have disappeared now that they got one of their own in office.

There is a difference in the tea parties. All you have to do is open your eyes to see it. There isn't much of a difference between, if any, between a majority of reps and dems. Its okay though. Keep your eyes closed and vote for your team.
LOL you are just making it worse on Ron Paul , he started this whole tea party crap but wasnt strong enough to hold it , or prevent it from bein hijacked , and you goofballs still insist he would be a great leader , he cant lead a group of rednecks , yet you peoples think he can lead a nation Hilarious!........

Garcia Bronco
04-18-2011, 09:36 AM
It's hard to argue the TP is nothing more than a neocon Trojan horse.

I disagree. It's short sighted to think all democrats are liberal, that all republicans conservative and so on. That all democrats are ethnic and the all repupublicans aren't and yadda-yadda-yadda....or in general that any group "always" does anything

alkemical
04-18-2011, 09:43 AM
http://www.ambrosiagarden.com/alt/IlluminatiSmileyPyramid.gif

DenverBrit
04-18-2011, 10:19 AM
I disagree. It's short sighted to think all democrats are liberal, that all republicans conservative and so on. That all democrats are ethnic and the all repupublicans aren't and yadda-yadda-yadda....or in general that any group "always" does anything


The Tea party faithful are not supporting Paul.

Look at who they are supporting. The Tea Party left Paul behind, which is no surprise.....remember how few votes he got running for President, despite excellent fund raising: 42,426 [0.03%]

Why was he not the choice of the Libertarian party?

http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim//2010/04/14/image6396387.gif

DenverBrit
04-18-2011, 10:22 AM
ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?288106-Sarah-Palin-Tea-Party-wouldn-t-exist-without-President-Obama..

Prime example of the difference between tea parties. Sarah Palin a leader of the teaocons states the tea party would not exist without President Obama.

As I stated earlier in the thread, the original tea party started 2007. It was in response to the tarp bailout.

Just read several posts in the thread. Everyone is railing on Palin and the teaocons stating they weren't there during bush years. One person even states the tea party (implied teaocons) would not exist if it weren't for Obama simply cause the reps do not care what happens while they have one of their own in office... Kinda like all those anti war dems that seem to have disappeared now that they got one of their own in office.

There is a difference in the tea parties. All you have to do is open your eyes to see it. There isn't much of a difference between, if any, between a majority of reps and dems. Its okay though. Keep your eyes closed and vote for your team.

For now, it's difficult to tell the difference. Why does Paul run as a Repub instead of a Libertarian?

Requiem
04-18-2011, 10:35 AM
Ballot access laws in Texas and the fact that he owns his district as it is non-competitive.

Odysseus
04-18-2011, 10:36 AM
So 62% of the Tea-baggers supportors have less then 2 years of college education. I bet if you ask them they also have non favorable view of individuals that have hold four year college or grad school educations.

I wish education were a priority in America.

Garcia Bronco
04-18-2011, 10:43 AM
The Tea party faithful are not supporting Paul.

Look at who they are supporting. The Tea Party left Paul behind, which is no surprise.....remember how few votes he got running for President, despite excellent fund raising: 42,426 [0.03%]

Why was he not the choice of the Libertarian party?

http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim//2010/04/14/image6396387.gif

You have an error of assumption. You assume the printed study is correct.

DenverBrit
04-18-2011, 10:49 AM
Ballot access laws in Texas and the fact that he owns his district as it is non-competitive.

That may be changing, he's being attacked by the Tea Party.

WASHINGTON - Even anti-government icon Ron Paul can't escape the conservative "Tea Party" fervor stretching across the county.
And Paul - who understands a thing or two about grass-roots politics - took a more defensive stance last month in a letter to his supporters. Paul wrote that his opponents had "turned their attack dogs loose on me" and cautioned that the anti-Washington sentiment could take him out as well.

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/texas-legislature/headlines/20100207-Even-GOP-conservative-Ron-Paul-draws-9282.ece

Arkie
04-18-2011, 10:51 AM
The Tea Party used to be for ending the wars of aggression, ending the Federal Reserve Bank, ending the war on drugs, and ending all other abuses of liberty. They believed Congress should repeal the Patriot Act. They believed we should stop adding to the debt and unfairly placing the burden on our kids' futures. Anybody that deviates from those beliefs isn't part of the original tea party. They joined in 2009 or later and hi-jacked the party.

DenverBrit
04-18-2011, 10:52 AM
You have an error of assumption. You assume the printed study is correct.

It's not a 'study', it's a poll. Error is about 3%, +/- which is normal.

elsid13
04-18-2011, 01:53 PM
I wish education were a priority in America.

It used to be, then sometime in the last 25 years it because elitist and
American public turned away from it.

BABronco
04-18-2011, 03:11 PM
For now, it's difficult to tell the difference. Why does Paul run as a Repub instead of a Libertarian?

From listening to paul, I'd say the reason he runs as a rep is because the libertarian party has constantly been a joke. Another reason would probably be he gets A LOT more exposure as a rep. In oklahoma, where I lived the last voting session, if you wanted to vote for pres it was either obama or mccain. There was literally no other choice. This two party system we have makes it incredibly difficult for any third party to form and be taken seriously, and imho they planned it that way. Less competition and they barely have to be different to have a divided populace.

I'm glad Paul ran rep and hopefully will again. I never would have heard of him or been exposed to his ideas. Had he ran libertarian or constitutionalist nobody would be talking about him today. I know very few people who can name on spot either of the candidates from those parties, or even the green party.

BABronco
04-18-2011, 03:18 PM
The Tea Party used to be for ending the wars of aggression, ending the Federal Reserve Bank, ending the war on drugs, and ending all other abuses of liberty. They believed Congress should repeal the Patriot Act. They believed we should stop adding to the debt and unfairly placing the burden on our kids' futures. Anybody that deviates from those beliefs isn't part of the original tea party. They joined in 2009 or later and hi-jacked the party.

This +

Arkie
04-18-2011, 03:27 PM
From listening to paul, I'd say the reason he runs as a rep is because the libertarian party has constantly been a joke. Another reason would probably be he gets A LOT more exposure as a rep. In oklahoma, where I lived the last voting session, if you wanted to vote for pres it was either obama or mccain. There was literally no other choice. This two party system we have makes it incredibly difficult for any third party to form and be taken seriously, and imho they planned it that way. Less competition and they barely have to be different to have a divided populace.

I'm glad Paul ran rep and hopefully will again. I never would have heard of him or been exposed to his ideas. Had he ran libertarian or constitutionalist nobody would be talking about him today. I know very few people who can name on spot either of the candidates from those parties, or even the green party.

Ron Paul ran for President in 1988 as a Libertarian. He's for the exact same things in 1988 which would have prevented a lot of the problems with our current government. Ron Paul is a true Libertarian.

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BABronco
04-18-2011, 04:42 PM
Ron Paul ran for President in 1988 as a Libertarian. He's for the exact same things in 1988 which would have prevented a lot of the problems with our current government. Ron Paul is a true Libertarian.

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Yes he did. I love the interview where he yells at a bigger guy saying well maybe the government should regulate what you can or can't eat. I also agree he would have prevented a lot of what is wrong with this country. Again though, with the way the reps and dems have a stronghold on the system it is nearly impossible to gain a step for any third party.

mosca
04-18-2011, 08:11 PM
The problem with the Tea Party was when it became a trademark, a brand name, a labelled 'movement'. Back when Ron Paul started the tidal wave back in 2007 people were genuinely interested in his ideas and passionate about it. Then it got co-opted by the Koch Brothers and other Republican bandwagon-hoppers. Now newcomers like Rand Paul now have to play the dangerous balancing game of balancing compromising your original values to gain acceptance and outright selling out.

I prefer the 2007 tea party movement to this new 'Tea Party'. They're trying too hard to make it a new political party and instead forgetting what the sparked the original revolution.

Spider
04-18-2011, 09:46 PM
The problem with the Tea Party was when it became a trademark, a brand name, a labelled 'movement'. Back when Ron Paul started the tidal wave back in 2007 people were genuinely interested in his ideas and passionate about it. Then it got co-opted by the Koch Brothers and other Republican bandwagon-hoppers. Now newcomers like Rand Paul now have to play the dangerous balancing game of balancing compromising your original values to gain acceptance and outright selling out.

I prefer the 2007 tea party movement to this new 'Tea Party'. They're trying too hard to make it a new political party and instead forgetting what the sparked the original revolution.

I could buy this , I was on the Ron Paul bandwagon until the Ron Paul letters got leaked out ...... bad ju ju there

Odysseus
04-18-2011, 11:21 PM
The problem with the Tea Party was when it became a trademark, a brand name, a labelled 'movement'. Back when Ron Paul started the tidal wave back in 2007 people were genuinely interested in his ideas and passionate about it. Then it got co-opted by the Koch Brothers and other Republican bandwagon-hoppers. Now newcomers like Rand Paul now have to play the dangerous balancing game of balancing compromising your original values to gain acceptance and outright selling out.

I prefer the 2007 tea party movement to this new 'Tea Party'. They're trying too hard to make it a new political party and instead forgetting what the sparked the original revolution.

I think a lot of movements got co-opted the past 16 years. It's a tragic when you see good candidates corrupted and compromised.

Odysseus
04-18-2011, 11:25 PM
I could buy this , I was on the Ron Paul bandwagon until the Ron Paul letters got leaked out ...... bad ju ju there

My Internet busted. PM me links.

Spider
04-19-2011, 06:06 AM
My Internet busted. PM me links.

http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/ron-pauls-ugly-newsletters/

Arkie
04-19-2011, 08:02 AM
Goldman has their hand in making the regulations that prevent smaller competitors from competing.


well, look at Government Sachs go!

Goldman Sachs smashes forecasts with $2.7bn first-quarter profit (http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/apr/19/goldman-sachs-smashes-forecasts-first-quarter-profit)

• Earnings per share of $1.56, against forecasts of 82 cents
• Bank sets aside $5.2bn to pay staff
• Figures hit by $5bn payout to Warren Buffett
• Boss Lloyd Blankfein 'wants to leave'

Assailed by critics on all sides, Goldman Sachs did what it does best on Tuesday, smashing estimates for its first-quarter results and setting aside $5.23bn (£3.2bn) to pay its staff.

The bank reported net revenues of $11.89bn and net earnings of $2.74bn for the first quarter which ended on 31 March, 2011. Profits were down 21%, held back by a payout to billionaire investor Warren Buffett, but the figures comfortably beat analysts' forecasts. Diluted earnings per common share were $1.56. Analysts surveyed by Thomson Reuters had expected Goldman to post first-quarter earnings of 82 cents a share, down from $5.59 a year earlier.

The bank's results were hampered by the decision to buy back $5bn of shares from Warren Buffett. The billionaire investor made a $5bn bet on Goldman at the low point of the financial crisis in a move that was seen as a major vote of confidence in the bank. Goldman bought back the preferred stock from Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway during the quarter, reducing its earnings by $1.6bn.

The $5.23bn set aside to pay salary, bonuses and other compensations was 5% lower than the money set aside by the bank in the first quarter of last year but 132% higher than the $2.25bn set aside in the last quarter. The ratio of compensation and benefits to net revenues for the first quarter of 2011 was 44%, compared to 43% for the same quarter last year.

"We are pleased with our first-quarter results," said Lloyd Blankfein, chairman and chief executive. "Generally improving market and economic conditions, coupled with our strong client franchise, produced solid results. Looking ahead, we continue to see encouraging indications for economic activity globally."

Excluding Buffett's payment, the firm posted a per share profit of $4.38. Investment banking revenues rose 5%, investment management revenues overall rose 16% to $1.3bn. Institutional client services revenues dropped 22%.

Last year's first quarter was a trading bonanza for many Wall Street banks and has proved hard to match with both Bank of America and Citigroup reporting big declines in trading revenues from the year-ago period. Goldman's arch-rival JP Morgan Chase managed to post strong trading results last Wednesday, especially in fixed income, currencies and commodities.

Goldman's results come as speculation mounts that Blankfein is considering stepping down. Friends told the New York Times that the 56-year-old is "exhausted" and would be leaving "when he could do so gracefully, without the move appearing to be anything but voluntary".

Last week Senator Carl Levin singled out Goldman for particular criticism after the publication of the 650-page bipartisan report, Wall Street and the Financial Crisis: Anatomy of a Financial Collapse.

Levin said "Goldman clearly misled their clients and they misled Congress," and said he would push for the department of justice to investigate whether criminal charges should be brought against Blankfein and other executives.

In a statement the bank said: "While we disagree with much of the report, we take seriously the issues explored by the subcommittee. We recently issued the results of a comprehensive examination of our business standards and practices and committed to making significant changes that will strengthen relationships with clients, improve transparency and disclosure and enhance standards for the review, approval and suitability of complex instruments."

Rohirrim
04-19-2011, 08:59 AM
The tea party are sheep, doing the work of wolves.

DenverBrit
04-19-2011, 09:33 AM
I could buy this , I was on the Ron Paul bandwagon until the Ron Paul letters got leaked out ...... bad ju ju there

I had a similar reaction to his newsletters and his typical politicians response that it was someone else doing it without his knowledge.

From your link.
Paul says he didn’t write the letters, that he denounces the words that appeared in them, that he was unaware for decades of what 100,000 people were receiving every month from him. That’s an odd claim on which to run for president: I didn’t know what my closest associates were doing over my signature, so give me responsibility for the federal government.

Arkie
04-19-2011, 10:43 AM
The tea party are sheep, doing the work of wolves.

The Democrat/Republican establishment are the wolves.

alkemical
04-19-2011, 10:47 AM
The Democrat/Republican establishment are the wolves.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v122/oublyette/illuminaticontrolchart.png

Rohirrim
04-19-2011, 11:22 AM
The Democrat/Republican establishment are the wolves.

Nope. The corporatists are the wolves. The politicians are shepards who've been bought off by the wolves (to continue the analogy).

Odysseus
04-21-2011, 06:06 AM
The Tea Party used to be for ending the wars of aggression, ending the Federal Reserve Bank, ending the war on drugs, and ending all other abuses of liberty. They believed Congress should repeal the Patriot Act. They believed we should stop adding to the debt and unfairly placing the burden on our kids' futures. Anybody that deviates from those beliefs isn't part of the original tea party. They joined in 2009 or later and hi-jacked the party.

Why nobody remembers this is disappointing to me.

Odysseus
04-21-2011, 06:14 AM
Nope. The corporatists are the wolves. The politicians are shepards who've been bought off by the wolves (to continue the analogy).

Who owns the corporatists? :)

Military Industrial Complex has pulled off a coup of sorts.

Political assassination is so 1960's. Why kill a person when you can destroy them publicly, politically, and using corporate owned media?

The illusion of freedom is a powerful dream.

alkemical
04-21-2011, 06:28 AM
Why nobody remembers this is disappointing to me.

I went to one of the first Tea Party rallies here in my area, and it was one of the most scripted events I've ever been too.

It was a "Clear Channel" event. It was organized by a clear channel radio station using local politicians and people associated with the programming of the same demographic, and different media. (The TV station is also clear channel owned that was there covering the event, as well as the news radio team that was there.)

The rally was advertised as a way to take back our government. Then, it was all about how much the democrat party is all about spending and how we need to support conservatism.

It was disappointing to see the Tea Party reference co-opted and hijacked for a one sided political rally. Then when the meeting broke, people went to go put tea bags in the river.

alkemical
04-21-2011, 06:33 AM
Who owns the corporatists? :)

Military Industrial Complex has pulled off a coup of sorts.

Political assassination is so 1960's. Why kill a person when you can destroy them publicly, politically, and using corporate owned media?

The illusion of freedom is a powerful dream.

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=854759049208&id=ff9f7ce7eca19df4adcbd3c5ea09a4dc&url=http%3a%2f%2fwww.flixya.com%2ffiles-photo%2fm%2fi%2fh%2fmihai2091922093.jpg

And I wasn't the only slave to my nesting instinct. The people I know who used to sit in the bathroom with pornography, now they sit in the bathroom with their IKEA furniture catalogue. ~Chuck Palahniuk, Fight Club, Chapter 5

http://biosys-serv.biologie.uni-ulm.de/uniulm/golden%20cage.jpg

You buy furniture. You tell yourself, this is the last sofa I will ever need in my life. Buy the sofa, then for a couple years you're satisfied that no matter what goes wrong, at least you've got your sofa issue handled. Then the right set of dishes. Then the perfect bed. The drapes. The rug. Then you're trapped in your lovely nest, and the things you used to own, now they own you. ~Chuck Palahniuk, Fight Club, Chapter 5

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...you're not how much money you've got in the bank. You're not your job. You're not your family, and you're not who you tell yourself.... You're not your name.... You're not your problems.... You're not your age.... You are not your hopes. ~Chuck Palahniuk, Fight Club, Chapter 18


...when deep-space exploitation ramps up, it will probably be the megatonic corporations that discover all the new planets and map them. The IBM Stellar Sphere. The Philip Morris Galaxy. Planet Denny's. Every planet will take on the corporate identity of whoever rapes it first. Budweiser World. ~Chuck Palahniuk, Fight Club, Chapter 23

When you have insomnia, you're never really asleep, and you're never really awake. ~Fight Club movie, screenplay by Jim Uhls, directed by David Fincher, novel by Chuck Palahniuk


The things you own end up owning you. It's only after you lose everything that you're free to do anything. ~Fight Club movie, screenplay by Jim Uhls, directed by David Fincher, novel by Chuck Palahniuk


**** Martha Stewart. Martha's polishing the brass on the Titanic; it's all going down, man. ~Fight Club movie, screenplay by Jim Uhls, directed by David Fincher, novel by Chuck Palahniuk


How much can you know about yourself if you've never been in a fight? ~Fight Club movie, screenplay by Jim Uhls, directed by David Fincher, novel by Chuck Palahniuk


Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy **** we don't need. ~Fight Club movie, screenplay by Jim Uhls, directed by David Fincher, novel by Chuck Palahniuk


We have to show these men and women freedom by enslaving them, and show them courage by frightening them. ~Chuck Palahniuk, Fight Club, Chapter 19

Odysseus
04-21-2011, 08:22 AM
I went to one of the first Tea Party rallies here in my area, and it was one of the most scripted events I've ever been too.

It was a "Clear Channel" event. It was organized by a clear channel radio station using local politicians and people associated with the programming of the same demographic, and different media. (The TV station is also clear channel owned that was there covering the event, as well as the news radio team that was there.)

The rally was advertised as a way to take back our government. Then, it was all about how much the democrat party is all about spending and how we need to support conservatism.

It was disappointing to see the Tea Party reference co-opted and hijacked for a one sided political rally. Then when the meeting broke, people went to go put tea bags in the river.

I have talked about the hypocrisy of this with several hard core political friends and they are relating the same one side sad story. Your diagram is interesting but if you sat down next to any newspaper I bet you could expand that quite a bit. It gets very complicated.

alkemical
04-21-2011, 08:30 AM
I have talked about the hypocrisy of this with several hard core political friends and they are relating the same one side sad story. Your diagram is interesting but if you sat down next to any newspaper I bet you could expand that quite a bit. It gets very complicated.

I "borrowed" the diagram - but maybe that will make a fun project. Maybe i'll take a few newspapers (age/date not important) and try to "map" the territory and just see what happens.

(that behaviour could get me committed though) :D

alkemical
04-26-2011, 11:33 AM
http://www.dangerousminds.net/images/uploads/incrediblyshrinkingteaparties.jpg

TailgateNut
04-26-2011, 11:48 AM
http://www.dangerousminds.net/images/uploads/incrediblyshrinkingteaparties.jpg


Maybe the "tea and crumpets" just aren't are great as they thought they would be.:spit:

alkemical
04-26-2011, 12:03 PM
They could eat cake....

mhgaffney
04-26-2011, 03:43 PM
Last year, when I attended a tea party rally in Klamath Falls, OR, I spoke with one of the organizers. I told the woman to her face that the tea party would be hijacked by Wall Street -- told her that both parties were corrupt...my usual harangue.

She did not get it -- just stared back. But now -- it's obvious -- how can anyone deny it?

Odysseus
04-26-2011, 04:21 PM
I wish the Tea Party really was what they thought they were.

Arkie
04-26-2011, 05:26 PM
http://www.dangerousminds.net/images/uploads/incrediblyshrinkingteaparties.jpg

Teaocons crashed the party, so nobody showed up.

teaocon:

A former/current Bush/McCain-style neoconservative that has infiltrated the liberty movement that was founded by Ron Paul supporters in 2007.

A teocon is a confused or generally hypocritical individual that ostensibly demands less taxation and government but still demands that the military industrial complex intervene in world affairs at taxpayer expense.

That teaocon Sarah Palin thinks Obama should bomb Iran, doesn't she know that war IS a "big government" program?

Obushma
04-26-2011, 06:20 PM
Teaocons crashed the party, so nobody showed up.

teaocon:

A former/current Bush/McCain-style neoconservative that has infiltrated the liberty movement that was founded by Ron Paul supporters in 2007.

A teocon is a confused or generally hypocritical individual that ostensibly demands less taxation and government but still demands that the military industrial complex intervene in world affairs at taxpayer expense.

That teaocon Sarah Palin thinks Obama should bomb Iran, doesn't she know that war IS a "big government" program?

You're trying to point out a fact to a bunch of political imbeciles, good luck on that, lord knows i've tried. It's more fun for them to play the partisan knee-jerk game around these parts.

Bronco Yoda
04-26-2011, 08:00 PM
Teaocons crashed the party, so nobody showed up.

teaocon:

A former/current Bush/McCain-style neoconservative that has infiltrated the liberty movement that was founded by Ron Paul supporters in 2007.

A teocon is a confused or generally hypocritical individual that ostensibly demands less taxation and government but still demands that the military industrial complex intervene in world affairs at taxpayer expense.

That teaocon Sarah Palin thinks Obama should bomb Iran, doesn't she know that war IS a "big government" program?


Bwwwhahahaaaaaaaa!!!!!!

Oh the irony :giggle:.

No true teabagger.....

First the Liber's pointed to thier swelling numbers to show that their strange little ideology was going mainstream. 'see, look at our large crowd'.

...Now all all those hateful people to your right and left don't look so good now do they. And Palins all of a sudden last weeks stank. :~ohyah!:


But I'm above saying "I told you so"



















...or maybe I'm not :giggle:

Arkie
04-26-2011, 08:29 PM
Bwwwhahahaaaaaaaa!!!!!!

Oh the irony :giggle:.

No true teabagger.....

First the Liber's pointed to thier swelling numbers to show that their strange little ideology was going mainstream. 'see, look at our large crowd'.

...Now all all those hateful people to your right and left don't look so good now do they. And Palins all of a sudden last weeks stank. :~ohyah!:


But I'm above saying "I told you so"



















...or maybe I'm not :giggle:

You are stereotyping. There are people that believe in civil and financial liberty that don't fall into your definition of a hateful group.

baja
04-26-2011, 09:31 PM
If you believe in Yoda how can you believe in Palin???

epicSocialism4tw
04-26-2011, 10:16 PM
I wish the Tea Party really was what they thought they were.

Its pretty simple really. Its people with common interests in limiting the scope of government. Nothing more, nothing less.

If you dont like getting parking tickets in the mail from video ticketing, if you dont like watching your taxes increase, if you dont like the IRS, if you dont like the Fed, if you dont like expansive government power and regulation, if you dont like foreign wars, if you dont like out-of-touch politicians telling you to tighten your belt while they shave their share off the top of your tax dollars, if you dont like having to get your crotch grabbed to get on a plane, if you dont like increasing police powers, if you dont like your tax dollars being wasted, if you dont like an impersonal bureaucracy telling you what to do, if you dont want the government telling you what to eat, if you dont want the government forcing you to spend money on things you dont want...you're probably alot more similar to the people in the TEA party than you realize.

And if those are your interests as well, you'd be better off with them than you would either the R's or the D's.

The R's and D's are faces of the same interational conglomerate military machine. Its time to cut them loose and to rebuild our country ourselves.

mosca
04-26-2011, 11:01 PM
Its pretty simple really. Its people with common interests in limiting the scope of government. Nothing more, nothing less.

If you dont like getting parking tickets in the mail from video ticketing, if you dont like watching your taxes increase, if you dont like the IRS, if you dont like the Fed, if you dont like expansive government power and regulation, if you dont like foreign wars, if you dont like out-of-touch politicians telling you to tighten your belt while they shave their share off the top of your tax dollars, if you dont like having to get your crotch grabbed to get on a plane, if you dont like increasing police powers, if you dont like your tax dollars being wasted, if you dont like an impersonal bureaucracy telling you what to do, if you dont want the government telling you what to eat, if you dont want the government forcing you to spend money on things you dont want...you're probably alot more similar to the people in the TEA party than you realize.

And if those are your interests as well, you'd be better off with them than you would either the R's or the D's.

The R's and D's are faces of the same interational conglomerate military machine. Its time to cut them loose and to rebuild our country ourselves.

Agreed - sadly, the Tea Party has already sold out / been infiltrated and they're not the vanguard on the issues that you mention.

epicSocialism4tw
04-26-2011, 11:45 PM
Agreed - sadly, the Tea Party has already sold out / been infiltrated and they're not the vanguard on the issues that you mention.

Dont believe everything that you read.

Theyre a threat to the repubs as much as theyre a threat to the dems. There's going to be alot of disparaging statements in the media from the hard-core loyalists of both parties against the TEA party. They try to paint every leader that comes out of the movement as "crazy".

epicSocialism4tw
04-26-2011, 11:48 PM
The Democrat/Republican establishment are the wolves.

Bingo.

alkemical
04-27-2011, 06:23 AM
Teaocons crashed the party, so nobody showed up.

teaocon:

A former/current Bush/McCain-style neoconservative that has infiltrated the liberty movement that was founded by Ron Paul supporters in 2007.

A teocon is a confused or generally hypocritical individual that ostensibly demands less taxation and government but still demands that the military industrial complex intervene in world affairs at taxpayer expense.

That teaocon Sarah Palin thinks Obama should bomb Iran, doesn't she know that war IS a "big government" program?


Here's the problem with this though:

Now we're spending all this time to try to reorganize labels to separate and identify the position(s). That's the big problem with the Libertarian side. What's different from a Tea-Party platform vs. a Libertarian platform? Why the need to sub-categorize or change labels? I understand that the ideal of using "Tea Party" to symbolize and start a "revolution", but it's not going to be able to be done with mainstream support.

It has to go underground. It's being co-opted by other interests that don't care about the principles of what a core group of Americans want: More of a classic sense of what Libertarianism had represented.

I just don't like mother****ers up in my grill yo, tryin' to tell me how to be livin'. You gots some of these foo's tellin' me that they are here to save me. but they only have their interests in mind, not mine. Trifflin' mother****ers...trifflin'

alkemical
04-27-2011, 06:25 AM
Dont believe everything that you read.

Theyre a threat to the repubs as much as theyre a threat to the dems. There's going to be alot of disparaging statements in the media from the hard-core loyalists of both parties against the TEA party. They try to paint every leader that comes out of the movement as "crazy".

Or a drug user....

Do you even realize that you do exactly what you say you hate?

I've told you all this **** like ten years ago, yet you just called me a drug user and crazy.

alkemical
04-27-2011, 06:26 AM
Its pretty simple really. Its people with common interests in limiting the scope of government. Nothing more, nothing less.

If you dont like getting parking tickets in the mail from video ticketing, if you dont like watching your taxes increase, if you dont like the IRS, if you dont like the Fed, if you dont like expansive government power and regulation, if you dont like foreign wars, if you dont like out-of-touch politicians telling you to tighten your belt while they shave their share off the top of your tax dollars, if you dont like having to get your crotch grabbed to get on a plane, if you dont like increasing police powers, if you dont like your tax dollars being wasted, if you dont like an impersonal bureaucracy telling you what to do, if you dont want the government telling you what to eat, if you dont want the government forcing you to spend money on things you dont want...you're probably alot more similar to the people in the TEA party than you realize.

And if those are your interests as well, you'd be better off with them than you would either the R's or the D's.

The R's and D's are faces of the same interational conglomerate military machine. Its time to cut them loose and to rebuild our country ourselves.

So what are you doing about it then, besides starting threads on the OM?

TonyR
06-24-2013, 12:59 PM
Didn't want to start a new thread, so chose to bump this one so dramallama can post in this thread under two different names... :wave:

Anyone, an interesting question to ponder is whether or not the Tea Party will die off when Obama is no longer president.

According to Parker and Barreto, 91 percent of Tea Party supporters hold negative opinions of Obama. (This beats the 82 percent who hold negative views of illegal immigrants, and, even more tellingly, the 85 percent who report a preference for limited government.) Sixty-seven percent of Tea Party supporters believe that Obama is a socialist, and 71 percent think he will destroy the country. Destroy the country! In contravention of basic, established facts, solid majorities do not believe that he is a Christian (71 percent) or that he was born in the United States (59 percent). Parker and Barreto take pains to distinguish these views from those of non-Tea Party conservatives, and to ensure—by means of regression analysis—that Tea Party affinity, and not some other factor like support for the Republican Party, accounts for the figures. http://www.newrepublic.com/article/113542/will-tea-party-die-when-obama-leaves-office#