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Bronco Rob
09-28-2010, 03:18 AM
Broncos don't plan to use Tebow on short-yardage plays


By Lindsay H. Jones
The Denver Post
Posted: 09/28/2010 01:00:00 AM MDT


For all the problems the Broncos continue to have with their running game, particularly near the goal line, coach Josh McDaniels made one thing clear Monday: Tim Tebow is not the solution.

"We're not going to do that in short yardage," McDaniels said. "People who mention that, I don't know, that's ridiculous."

Tebow, the rookie first-round draft pick quarterback who become a collegiate legend and a Heisman Trophy winner in part because of bruising running style, has not played since taking two snaps and rushing for 2 yards against Jacksonville on Sept. 12. Neither of those plays came in the red zone, and neither was in short-yardage situations.

But wouldn't the player who scored 57 rushing touchdowns at the University
of Florida be an option for the Broncos now? No way, McDaniels said.

For now, Tebow remains a work-in-progress quarterback, in competition with Brady Quinn for the backup job behind Kyle Orton. Quinn was the No. 2 Sunday against the Colts, with Tebow inactive for the first time this season.

"Whatever they tell me each week, I'm going to do," Tebow said Monday. "I'm going to try to handle my role, and every week, try to improve in practice so I can create more of a role. That's my goal."

The Broncos haven't discarded the "Tebow Package" pages from the playbook, but McDaniels appears to have no plans to use Tebow in place of a tailback.

"Snapping the ball to a shotgun quarterback on third-and-1? If we can't get a third-and-1 some other way, we've got bigger problems," McDaniels said.

Indeed, that appears to be true.

The Broncos, with a first-and-goal at the 1-yard line Sunday against Indianapolis, failed to score a touchdown on three running plays by Laurence Maroney (two up the middle, one to the left) and one pass play (a fade from Kyle Orton intended for Demaryius Thomas). This came a week after the Broncos needed three tries from the 1-yard line for Knowshon Moreno to score a touchdown against the Seahawks.

The Broncos have scored only five touchdowns in 13 red-zone drives this season.

"There's no part of the field where your ability to execute is more glaring, in either direction," McDaniels said. "When you execute very well, you can score, and when you don't execute very well, you usually have trouble scoring. There's no in between."

Yet the Broncos appear content to continue using Maroney, Moreno (whenever he returns from his second hamstring injury) and Correll Buckhalter in short-yardage situations, and Tebow does not seem close to returning to the field.

Coaches decided to make Quinn the backup for the first time this season against the Colts after evaluating both quarterbacks in practice last week, deciding Quinn would be better prepared to run the specific plan the Broncos had for the Colts should something have happened to Orton.

The backup quarterback job will continue to be a fluid situation, McDaniels said, depending on each opponent, as well as the potential for inserting Tebow for specific plays.

"We're going to let them get ready for the game, and however practice goes and their preparation and whatever we feel is necessary for the game, I think we're just going to make the best decision on a week-to-week basis," McDaniels said.



http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_16190944



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tsiguy96
09-28-2010, 03:30 AM
one thing that mcdaniels did well into last year is he goes by what SHOULD be. we SHOULD be able to convert 3rd and 1 with a simple run play up the gut, so thats what he calls. in reality its not that easy for this team right now and he needs to consider something else in crunch time. if the execution isnt there time after time, you gotta change the call, not keep calling it because execution should be there.

cant change or hide the fact that with the ball in his hand, tebow is a beast running. and i think hes trying to hide it.

Jay3
09-28-2010, 04:16 AM
I don't get why McD would be so dismissive and defensive about it. No matter what he secretly thinks, why not just deflect the question and say "we'll got lots of things we can do, but all of them involve blocking. Next question."

Saying it's "ridiculous" and that you wouldn't use a "shotgun quarterback on 3rd and 1" is showing too many cards.

Besides, it could just as easily be play action hand off to a running back -- if Tebow is the one faking a handoff, you will tend to make sure he doesn't still have that ball on a bootleg. It makes the handoff more effective, because you're thinking Tebow might still run it, and it makes play action pass more effective, because you're worried Tebow will scamper in, and it makes it more likely a touchdown will occur on a play where nothing's there.

Aaron Rodgers got a touchdown last night like that. (He's very good, pretty much as effective as Tebow in running the ball at this level. Not as bruising, but just as effective).

go_broncos
09-28-2010, 05:14 AM
Snapping the ball to a shotgun quarterback on third-and-1? If we can't get a third-and-1 some other way, we've got bigger problems," McDaniels said.

That's the reason you need to try something different as it is not working.
Last year, we struggled and there is no change this year also.
Teams no longer are afraid to play Denver.
Yesterday in local sports radio, they are saying that the only way jags can win a game is to play Denver again.
It's frustrating that a average team like Jags can talk about Denver like that.
We are 3-10 in last 13 games and some people are happy with the direction the team is going.
I don't see anything positive having that record.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-28-2010, 06:06 AM
ZOMG someone on sports radio said Broncos are sucky! OH NOEZ!

Holy hell, you're a damn retard.

barryr
09-28-2010, 06:31 AM
Until the o-line can provide blocking in short yardage, then I don't see how you don't use Tebow in those situations.

Beantown Bronco
09-28-2010, 06:35 AM
We are 3-10 in last 13 games and some people are happy with the direction the team is going.

Seeing the big picture.....it's not for everyone.

LRtagger
09-28-2010, 06:39 AM
ZOMG someone on sports radio said Broncos are sucky! OH NOEZ!

Holy hell, you're a damn retard.

Jacksonville sports radio no less.

Ray Finkle
09-28-2010, 07:15 AM
Snapping the ball to a shotgun quarterback on third-and-1? If we can't get a third-and-1 some other way, we've got bigger problems," McDaniels said.

That's the reason you need to try something different as it is not working.
Last year, we struggled and there is no change this year also.
Teams no longer are afraid to play Denver.
Yesterday in local sports radio, they are saying that the only way jags can win a game is to play Denver again.
It's frustrating that a average team like Jags can talk about Denver like that.
We are 3-10 in last 13 games and some people are happy with the direction the team is going.
I don't see anything positive having that record.

Here's the problem....everyone wants instant gratification. What would happen if we are 500 next year and next year jump to 10-6 or say 13-3?

I do not believe we have a coaching issue on this team, there is a talent/execution gap. It takes a while to overcome that. Also being green on the oline is hurting them at the moment.

bronco militia
09-28-2010, 07:19 AM
Tebowthenexthillis

Man-Goblin
09-28-2010, 07:20 AM
My Tebowner is quite flacid right now and may need some serious viagra action to be returned to its virile state.

go_broncos
09-28-2010, 07:24 AM
Jacksonville sports radio no less.

That's the problem.Even Jags think we are ****ty team.

bendog
09-28-2010, 07:24 AM
Tebowthenexthillis

<img src="http://static.foxsports.com/content/fse/img/2010/08/27/GB_20100827003328_0_0.JPG">

old school

Beantown Bronco
09-28-2010, 07:26 AM
That's the problem.Even Jags think we are ****ty team.

Do you really think the Seahawk's fans care what we may have said about their team after we beat them down last week? Didn't effect how they played against SD, now did it?

go_broncos
09-28-2010, 07:27 AM
Mcd has one more year.If this team doesn't improve their record, he will be fired.

bowtown
09-28-2010, 07:30 AM
Mcd has one more year.If this team doesn't improve their record, he will be fired.

But you'll still be an idiot.

_Oro_
09-28-2010, 07:35 AM
Two comments:

Smokescreen!

and....

the "Tebow Package" I'm sure will get used someday.

bendog
09-28-2010, 07:38 AM
Yeah, they'll run him off tackle at Merriman.

Dedhed
09-28-2010, 07:43 AM
I don't see anything positive

That's all you need to say, although by now most of us are very aware of your stance.

Goobzilla
09-28-2010, 07:43 AM
I don't think I know anyone under the age of 70 that is as stubborn as Josh McDaniels. It's all about proving a point with him, I think if he can work on that he has potential to be a very good coach.

lostknight
09-28-2010, 07:45 AM
Anyone else notice that the Bears used Denver's "Wild Horses" where the QB rotates to the WR position for the play. The difference is that unlike Jay and Kyle, I'm pretty sure that Tebow could catch a ball.

Honestly, the way things are looking right now, Tebow might want to run the WR's for a while. Kyle can't win with this team playing the way they are. People want to blame that on outlier games with Jacksonville and with the Colts, but it's 2/3rd the season so far, and we are at the first bye weeks. This season is not going as advertised.

lostknight
09-28-2010, 07:45 AM
I don't think I know anyone under the age of 70 that is as stubborn as Josh McDaniels. It's all about proving a point with him, I think if he can work on that he has potential to be a very good coach.

I've said this since day 1. If Josh were to let himself be wrong on occasion - most notably on offense - he would be a great damn coach.

bowtown
09-28-2010, 07:46 AM
I don't think I know anyone under the age of 70 that is as stubborn as Josh McDaniels. It's all about proving a point with him, I think if he can work on that he has potential to be a very good coach.

How about every other head coach in the NFL, including the one who is now in Washington?

The MVPlaya
09-28-2010, 07:49 AM
I don't think I know anyone under the age of 70 that is as stubborn as Josh McDaniels. It's all about proving a point with him, I think if he can work on that he has potential to be a very good coach.

Every coach in the NFL is stubborn you fu.cking idiot.

Call it stubborn, call it confidence, call it whatever the f.uck but if you don't have it you're not an NFL head coach.

bowtown
09-28-2010, 07:49 AM
Anyone else notice that the Bears used Denver's "Wild Horses" where the QB rotates to the WR position for the play. The difference is that unlike Jay and Kyle, I'm pretty sure that Tebow could catch a ball.

Honestly, the way things are looking right now, Tebow might want to run the WR's for a while. Kyle can't win with this team playing the way they are. People want to blame that on outlier games with Jacksonville and with the Colts, but it's 2/3rd the season so far, and we are at the first bye weeks. This season is not going as advertised.

This wins fail post of the week.

The MVPlaya
09-28-2010, 07:51 AM
Anyone else notice that the Bears used Denver's "Wild Horses" where the QB rotates to the WR position for the play. The difference is that unlike Jay and Kyle, I'm pretty sure that Tebow could catch a ball.

Honestly, the way things are looking right now, Tebow might want to run the WR's for a while. Kyle can't win with this team playing the way they are. People want to blame that on outlier games with Jacksonville and with the Colts, but it's 2/3rd the season so far, and we are at the first bye weeks. This season is not going as advertised.

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091202133715/uncyclopedia/images/5/5c/Vomit.gif

LRtagger
09-28-2010, 07:54 AM
That's the problem.Even Jags think we are ****ty team.

They don't know **** about our team. Its just some moron talking heads on the radio pumping themselves up to make them feel better.

Every team in the NFL is capable of playing a good game now and again. The Rams just beat the Redskins. The Browns nearly beat the Ravens in Balt.

lostknight
09-28-2010, 07:57 AM
This wins fail post of the week.

Did I need to put more sarcastic icons in there?

bowtown
09-28-2010, 08:00 AM
Did I need to put more sarcastic icons in there?

Apparently... your award has been revoked.

Goobzilla
09-28-2010, 08:03 AM
Every coach in the NFL is stubborn you fu.cking idiot.


Thanks for that, not sure where your hate for me comes from.

I'm not a McD hater, just pointing out what I think is a big issue with him in playcalling and personnel decisions. I don't think it's as ludicrous as he thinks to use a big tough QB to run or run/pass option in short yardage situations instead of the same running play 4 times in a row.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-28-2010, 08:09 AM
That's the problem.Even Jags think we are ****ty team.

It wasn't the Jags, dumb ****. It was a dumb **** talking head on dumb **** sports talk radio.

You fit in perfectly there with the rest of the morons, by the way.

SonOfLe-loLang
09-28-2010, 08:10 AM
To simply dismiss this apparent good plan is pretty absurd. Why be resistent to a creative package that has the potential to, i dunno, work.

bowtown
09-28-2010, 08:12 AM
To simply dismiss this apparent good plan is pretty absurd. Why be resistent to a creative package that has the potential to, i dunno, work.

To simply take a coach at their word in regards to game planning in a press conference is also pretty absurd.

Gort
09-28-2010, 08:17 AM
I don't think I know anyone under the age of 70 that is as stubborn as Josh McDaniels. It's all about proving a point with him, I think if he can work on that he has potential to be a very good coach.

hyperbole aside... i think there's some truth to your statement. McD reminds me a bit of that golfer in the movie Tin Cup who insists on taking the same shot over and over and over again until he hits it, even though each failed attempt is making it less and less likely that he'll win the tournament. it's almost as if McD is "punishing" the team by calling the same failed plays over and over again until they finally succeed. that's great for practice. not so much for gameday. :(

go_broncos
09-28-2010, 08:18 AM
Knowing Mcdummy coaching style, he will not use Tebow as it is suggested by some reporters.

bendog
09-28-2010, 08:20 AM
To simply take a coach at their word in regards to game planning in a press conference is also pretty absurd.

yeah, but when he's saying that if a team can't convert 3rd and one with a qb sneak under center, or behind a guard/center seam, it makes no sense to line a qb up 5 yds or so for a shotgun snap and try it that way, there is a certain logic to what the coach is saying. lol

and no dis, the interior oline is a work in progress. it may be good in two years, or McDaniels may be working for a different employer. We'll see.

SonOfLe-loLang
09-28-2010, 08:21 AM
To simply take a coach at their word in regards to game planning in a press conference is also pretty absurd.

Good point, but McDaniels has been pretty honest in his press conferences...just watch his pre draft ones and you'll see him gush over tebow. In fact, i still say if Sean Weatherspoon was on the board, he'd have been a bronco over Demaryius Thomas (because of the way McD spoke of him).

The MVPlaya
09-28-2010, 08:22 AM
Thanks for that, not sure where your hate for me comes from.

I'm not a McD hater, just pointing out what I think is a big issue with him in playcalling and personnel decisions. I don't think it's as ludicrous as he thinks to use a big tough QB to run or run/pass option in short yardage situations instead of the same running play 4 times in a row.

I'm sure if you asked him to explain it to you, you'd agree. We're talking about an NFL coach here who does this for a living.

It confuses me why people usually don't give coaches the benefit of a doubt, as if they don't know what they're talking about. Anyone who has worked a day in their lives in any industry, should know that it's not what it seems on the outside.

I do not know what the explanation is, and neither does anyone else that doesn't coach for that team. And considering how ludicrous he made it sound to run Tebow on a 3rd and 1, I'm sure there is great reasoning.

Last year he said the same thing when he was asked, why doesn't he QB sneak it with a yard or less to go? And he says the same thing - if you have to QB sneak it for 3rd and 1 you've got bigger issues at hand.

So, please, this is not stubbornness over Tim Tebow, a QUARTERBACK... there is obviously deeper explanation to it as anything else.

go_broncos
09-28-2010, 08:23 AM
hyperbole aside... i think there's some truth to your statement. McD reminds me a bit of that golfer in the movie Tin Cup who insists on taking the same shot over and over and over again until he hits it, even though each failed attempt is making it less and less likely that he'll win the tournament. it's almost as if McD is "punishing" the team by calling the same failed plays over and over again until they finally succeed. that's great for practice. not so much for gameday. :(

I am glad you noticed it now. I remember you were big supporter of Mcd earlier.
It's sad that Mcd learned only stubbornness from Bellichick.
I feel that he picks some player's just to prove a point.

Bigdawg26
09-28-2010, 08:28 AM
And you wonder why I our goal line O sucks. I know Tebow is our future and we need to protect and groom him, but I mean c'mon dude! Tebow was money throughout college in goal line and short yardage situation in the SEC (the minor league for the NFL). Why wouldn't you try him out, when your getting nothing from the other guys???

mr007
09-28-2010, 08:30 AM
Last year he said the same thing when he was asked, why doesn't he QB sneak it with a yard or less to go? And he says the same thing - if you have to QB sneak it for 3rd and 1 you've got bigger issues at hand.



Yeah dude, because teams with strong mobile QBs have issues using a sneak on short-yardage situations......get a clue.

Taco John
09-28-2010, 08:31 AM
"We're not going to do that in short yardage," McDaniels said. "People who mention that, I don't know, that's ridiculous."

I can't understand his aggressiveness towards the question here. Tebow, in my mind, is probably one of the more dangerous goal line threats in the league right now, and Josh is acting like the mere thought of using him there is about the most idiotic thing a person could dream up.

bowtown
09-28-2010, 08:31 AM
I am glad you noticed it now. I remember you were big supporter of Mcd earlier.
It's sad that Mcd learned only stubbornness from Bellichick.
I feel that he picks some player's just to prove a point.

What point would that be?

bendog
09-28-2010, 08:35 AM
"We're not going to do that in short yardage," McDaniels said. "People who mention that, I don't know, that's ridiculous."

I can't understand his aggressiveness towards the question here. Tebow, in my mind, is probably one of the more dangerous goal line threats in the league right now, and Josh is acting like the mere thought of using him there is about the most idiotic thing a person could dream up.

Because it is idiotic, tj. If you think that in the NFL a qb can line up in an empty backfield and take it off tackle without losing a spleen, you're insane. Moreover, suppose they put him in on goaline and just let him get a running start at the pile, that's insane too. To get a first on short yardage, an oline at least has to give a qp a seam. The easiest play is the qb sneak from under center. Den's getting zero push because of youth and injury to the olne.

colonelbeef
09-28-2010, 08:44 AM
Whatever the conventional wisdom is, McDaniels sure has a knack for finding a way to disagree with it

bendog
09-28-2010, 08:48 AM
Whatever the conventional wisdom is, McDaniels sure has a knack for finding a way to disagree with it

conventional wisdom on this board, or conventional wisdom amongst nfl coaching types?

colonelbeef
09-28-2010, 08:49 AM
It wasn't the Jags, dumb ****. It was a dumb **** talking head on dumb **** sports talk radio.

You fit in perfectly there with the rest of the morons, by the way.

I have yet to see you make any sort of discernible point beyond childish name calling and constant cursing

colonelbeef
09-28-2010, 08:52 AM
conventional wisdom on this board, or conventional wisdom amongst nfl coaching types?

Both... whatever the seemingly logical progression, McDaniels always seems to find an alternate course of action and stick to it no matter what.

For example- 2009- he comes to a team with an offense in place, which clearly needs a defensive overhaul, and players on the DL in particular, so what does he do?

He trades the QB and WR and does not draft any lineman.

Can't say it's worked out for him as of yet either.

Beantown Bronco
09-28-2010, 08:59 AM
He trades the QB and WR and does not draft any lineman.


The 2009 class of DLinemen was weak to say the least. Unless he traded up for a talent like Raji, who isn't a 3-4 DLineman, I can't see how any of them would've helped us to this point. I've been following most if not all of the names people were throwing around here pre-2009 draft and they are all largely disappointments so far.

bendog
09-28-2010, 09:06 AM
Both... whatever the seemingly logical progression, McDaniels always seems to find an alternate course of action and stick to it no matter what.

For example- 2009- he comes to a team with an offense in place, which clearly needs a defensive overhaul, and players on the DL in particular, so what does he do?

He trades the QB and WR and does not draft any lineman.

Can't say it's worked out for him as of yet either.

I share you're frustration with Mooseguy's need to share his inner angst, but it's really off topic. Shanny's offense was a redzone nightmare because of the interior oline. I'm not a McDaniel's cheerleader, and his oline drafting in 09 was curious at best, but he's addressed the situation. Imo, he failed to even try and sell his offense to Cutler, but it's the coach's perogative to blow up a team. If he isn't winning in two more years, he's toast.

But, McDaniel's is right on short yardage. It doesn't matter who is the qb if the interior oline can't get push, and simply tryign to run out of a shotgun is not an answer.

Taco John
09-28-2010, 09:06 AM
"We're not going to do that in short yardage," McDaniels said. "People who mention that, I don't know, that's ridiculous."

I can't understand his aggressiveness towards the question here. Tebow, in my mind, is probably one of the more dangerous goal line threats in the league right now, and Josh is acting like the mere thought of using him there is about the most idiotic thing a person could dream up.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that we should be doing it. I'm just saying that I don't understand his aggressiveness towards the question given the conventional wisdom about Tebow being a threat in the red zone. I can understand why people would ask the question.

Myself, I am nervous about putting the guy who represents the future of our franchise on the goal line, but at the same time, I've seen the guy lower his shoulder and completely blow people up. I can understand why the question would be asked.

Taco John
09-28-2010, 09:07 AM
I share you're frustration with Mooseguy's need to share his inner angst, but it's really off topic.

Mooseguy could be a really good poster if he could get a handle on his anger issues.

colonelbeef
09-28-2010, 09:09 AM
I share you're frustration with Mooseguy's need to share his inner angst, but it's really off topic. Shanny's offense was a redzone nightmare because of the interior oline. I'm not a McDaniel's cheerleader, and his oline drafting in 09 was curious at best, but he's addressed the situation. Imo, he failed to even try and sell his offense to Cutler, but it's the coach's perogative to blow up a team. If he isn't winning in two more years, he's toast.

But, McDaniel's is right on short yardage. It doesn't matter who is the qb if the interior oline can't get push, and simply tryign to run out of a shotgun is not an answer.

I dont disagree with you there, if McDaniels thinks he is the Qb of the future, you have to keep him as far away from running goaline draws as humanly possible.

He is being a bit defensive though, acting like having Tebow in as a sort of option is totally out of the question and absurd to even think.

In reality, if McDaniels isn't considering any any all goal line formations in lieu of his total failures in that area, he is doing himself and the team a massive disservice.

~Crash~
09-28-2010, 09:10 AM
That's all you need to say, although by now most of us are very aware of your stance.

the same can be said of you and the other side of it . try the middle every now and then .

colonelbeef
09-28-2010, 09:12 AM
The 2009 class of DLinemen was weak to say the least. Unless he traded up for a talent like Raji, who isn't a 3-4 DLineman, I can't see how any of them would've helped us to this point. I've been following most if not all of the names people were throwing around here pre-2009 draft and they are all largely disappointments so far.

Maybe... but there are always upgrades available to a team with assets, and the Broncos had plenty of picks and available players (apparently)

bendog
09-28-2010, 09:12 AM
Tj, I think I understand what you're saying vis a vis about mcDaniel's addressing the tebow in shortyardage. I think McDaniels is clearly right in terms of actuall football, but given that he's partly responsible for all the tebow hype and using some kind of wildcat or empty backfield thing, and given the broncos short yardage situations, I can see how one can say he needs to explain himself to the average fan. It's just me, but I don't put much in the demeanor of coaches or qb's in press conferences ... unless they meltdown like Singletary or refer to teammates by positions rather than names like Faver.

footstepsfrom#27
09-28-2010, 09:12 AM
I would much rather Tebow concentrate on learning this offense, reading NFL defenses and correcting mechanical issues instead of adopting a Kordel Stewart role and concerning himself with being a glorified running back. This kid is our future, and I think if there's one area McD should actually get some slack from fans with it's working with a young QB that he himself chose in the draft. He's right...if we can't score on the ground with 4 cracks from the 1, we have far bigger problems than Tebow can fix at the moment.

~Crash~
09-28-2010, 09:15 AM
hell lets just hand the ball to a huge ass DT...

Dos Rios
09-28-2010, 09:15 AM
The 2009 class of DLinemen was weak to say the least. Unless he traded up for a talent like Raji, who isn't a 3-4 DLineman, I can't see how any of them would've helped us to this point. I've been following most if not all of the names people were throwing around here pre-2009 draft and they are all largely disappointments so far.

Beantown - are you following Dan Williams, NT for the Cardinals?

bendog
09-28-2010, 09:20 AM
I dont disagree with you there, if McDaniels thinks he is the Qb of the future, you have to keep him as far away from running goaline draws as humanly possible.

He is being a bit defensive though, acting like having Tebow in as a sort of option is totally out of the question and absurd to even think.

In reality, if McDaniels isn't considering any any all goal line formations in lieu of his total failures in that area, he is doing himself and the team a massive disservice.

I think he's being more facepalm/don'taskstupidquestions than being defensive, though maybe it's defensive too since he's helped stoke the tebownermania. What do people expect? On third and one, do the broncos empty the backfield and split 4wrs and put the rb in a slot? Are the odds better at converting with Tebow trying to read 5 routes or even a WR screen? I don't think so. Maybe in two years or so.

On short yardage the line play game is about who can get the lowest for leverage and create push. Are they gonna have the oline and dline to the pile thing and try and run Tebow at a Mike? Not if they plan on Tebow being in the League for a longtime.

The MVPlaya
09-28-2010, 09:33 AM
Yeah dude, because teams with strong mobile QBs have issues using a sneak on short-yardage situations......get a clue.

QB sneak is really not used all too often, and mostly it's used in 2 minute drill situations.

"Short-yardage" situations... QB sneak is used primarily on 3rd and less than a yard. Not "short-yardage" situations like a 3rd and 3.

Beantown Bronco
09-28-2010, 09:35 AM
Beantown - are you following Dan Williams, NT for the Cardinals?

Ummmm, he was drafted this year, not last.

Que
09-28-2010, 09:44 AM
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bendog
09-28-2010, 10:01 AM
You know there was this interview with Dilfer a week or so back where he made a comment about Tebow either becoming a prototypical qb or Tebow changing the game. I thought/think is was more talkinghead hyperbole than anything, but .....

Down the road, in a couple of years, I wouldn't be shocked to see in 3rd and one, to see three wrs split on one side and one on the other. A single rb and Tebow in shotgun.

If a defense puts 6 in the box, Den still has numbers if Tebow runs it behind the running back who becomes a lead blocker. If a defense put 7 in the box, it's one on one, and the wr split out by himself can run a slant or quick out and the wr's on the other side of the field can do some kind of a wr screen.

I just don't think Tebow can do that now.

Popps
09-28-2010, 10:06 AM
So, am I understanding McD wrong or is he saying...

Tebow is not going to be lined up as a tailback....

not..

We'll NEVER insert Tim as a QB at the goal-line.


Those are two different things.

baja
09-28-2010, 10:09 AM
Here's the problem....everyone wants instant gratification. What would happen if we are 500 next year and next year jump to 10-6 or say 13-3?

I do not believe we have a coaching issue on this team, there is a talent/execution gap. It takes a while to overcome that. Also being green on the oline is hurting them at the moment.

Just watching the play on the field I see a team (Broncos) improving significantly every week so far. baring some key injury (s) we ware going to have everyone talking about the Broncos in a positive light before this year is over

bowtown
09-28-2010, 10:11 AM
Also in the news...

Moose hunter decides to not use a gun, prefers wrist rocket. "If ah can't kill dem moose with ma sligshot then ah got me some bwigger pwoblems", said local hunter Elmer Fudd

BP announced today that it won't use cement to seal leaking well. "If we can't seal it using magic, then we need to rethink this whole 'have to stop the oil' thing. Using cement, that's ridiculous!", said a BP Spokesman

Buddhist monks shun water as a way to hydrate their bodies in favor of the Sun's rays [actually true story]

Funny, but your annalogies are reversed. Power running for a single yard is what we should be able to do. Thats' the basics. The other stuff is a wrist rocket, magic, sunshine.

ZachKC
09-28-2010, 10:17 AM
QB sneak is really not used all too often, and mostly it's used in 2 minute drill situations.

"Short-yardage" situations... QB sneak is used primarily on 3rd and less than a yard. Not "short-yardage" situations like a 3rd and 3.

Hi

broncocalijohn
09-28-2010, 10:22 AM
"We're not going to do that in short yardage," McDaniels said. "People who mention that, I don't know, that's ridiculous."

What is ridiculous is not recognizing a serious problem and not correcting it. Tebow is not coming into the game as a starting QB anytime soon as Orton is playing like he will be here more than one year. He has 57 TDs and can possibly solve our short yardage problems. This is being hard hitted (again). Josh, this is what cost us the Colts' game. If there isnt a fix from the outside (Maroney), then use the resources from the inside.

extralife
09-28-2010, 10:30 AM
Our coach is completely right. Good for him.

Bronco Yoda
09-28-2010, 10:34 AM
I see this as Josh limiting Tebow failure in his rookie year. He's protecting him at all costs. This is very telling considering McD comes from the school of versitility. And yet he's keeping this multideminsional weapon on the shelf.

I really thought we'd see see more creativity using Tebow. He's not just a QB but an Offensive weapon. But I guess the season is still young.

broncocalijohn
09-28-2010, 10:35 AM
How about every other head coach in the NFL, including the one who is now in Washington?

but he is over 70. Josh is stubborn. I think he needs to realize that being wrong on situations is ok and part of coaching. For every TD you draft, you might screw up and take a Marcus Nash. There is a cure for this problem and the only prescription is more Tebow.

bowtown
09-28-2010, 10:45 AM
but he is over 70. Josh is stubborn. I think he needs to realize that being wrong on situations is ok and part of coaching. For every TD you draft, you might screw up and take a Marcus Nash. There is a cure for this problem and the only prescription is more Tebow.

Yeah, Josh is clearly unable to admit he is wrong on situations, just ask Alphonzo Smith, Jarvis Green, and the inactive Richard Quinn. Seems to me that Josh is just fine at acknowledging his mistakes. Ironically, it's the people who call him stubborn who are the ones who insist on continuing to hold the mistakes over his head.

Rabb
09-28-2010, 10:56 AM
Yeah, Josh is clearly unable to admit he is wrong on situations, just ask Alphonzo Smith, Jarvis Green, and the inactive Richard Quinn. Seems to me that Josh is just fine at acknowledging his mistakes. Ironically, it's the people who call him stubborn who are the ones who insist on continuing to hold the mistakes over his head.

spot freaking on

broncocalijohn
09-28-2010, 11:24 AM
Yeah, Josh is clearly unable to admit he is wrong on situations, just ask Alphonzo Smith, Jarvis Green, and the inactive Richard Quinn. Seems to me that Josh is just fine at acknowledging his mistakes. Ironically, it's the people who call him stubborn who are the ones who insist on continuing to hold the mistakes over his head.

point taken. Dont get me wrong, I like Josh I just think there are times when he gets defensive on questions asked by him and thought of by millions of fans.

Steve Sewell
09-28-2010, 11:27 AM
Knowing Mcdummy coaching style, he will not use Tebow as it is suggested by some reporters.

You need to be banned for trolling. Just sayin'.

WABronco
09-28-2010, 11:29 AM
They probly cleaned up his language, it was more like "Mother****er? That's the dumbest ****ing **** I've heard. **** me. ****in' ridiculous..."

I like when they catch him mouthing "**** me" on the sidelines.

OBF1
09-28-2010, 11:40 AM
Instead of telling us what he will not do with Tebow, How about "Showing" us what he has done to fix the red zone issues that everyone in the world knows about.

Beantown Bronco
09-28-2010, 11:44 AM
Instead of telling us what he will not do with Tebow, How about "Showing" us what he has done to fix the red zone issues that everyone in the world knows about.

Good idea. Show our future opponents exactly what we're going to do the next time we get in the red zone. :spit:

Dagmar
09-28-2010, 11:58 AM
Instead of telling us what he will not do with Tebow, How about "Showing" us what he has done to fix the red zone issues that everyone in the world knows about.

In the press conference? Should he bring out the playbook and whiteboard??

Blueflame
09-28-2010, 11:59 AM
Every coach in the NFL is stubborn you fu.cking idiot.

Call it stubborn, call it confidence, call it whatever the * * * * but if you don't have it you're not an NFL head coach.

It is possible to disagree with another poster's stated opinion... without resorting to calling him an idiot, y'know.

Also... mod mode: It is a bannable offense to intentionally circumvent the OrangeMane's language filters in order to display a normally-filtered word in its original form (as you did here with the "f-bomb"). Please don't do it again.

/mod

OBF1
09-28-2010, 12:01 PM
In the press conference? Should he bring out the playbook and whiteboard??

Is it too fu cking much for you to figure out SHOW US ON THE FIELD with results ???

It you were not so interetsed in trying and failing to be a smart ass you might actully figure this out.

OBF1
09-28-2010, 12:01 PM
Good idea. Show our future opponents exactly what we're going to do the next time we get in the red zone. :spit:

I already know you are too stupid to figure this out.

Dagmar
09-28-2010, 12:02 PM
It is possible to disagree with another poster's stated opinion... without resorting to calling him an idiot, y'know.

Also... mod mode: It is a bannable offense to intentionally circumvent the OrangeMane's language filters in order to display a normally-filtered word in its original form (as you did here with the "f-bomb"). Please don't do it again.

/mod

If you did this every time someone did it you'd be very bloody busy! Ha!

Dagmar
09-28-2010, 12:03 PM
Is it too fu cking much for you to figure out SHOW US ON THE FIELD with results ???

It you were not so interetsed in trying and failing to be a smart ass you might actully figure this out.

:spit: Did you read the post above yours mate?

Beantown Bronco
09-28-2010, 12:04 PM
If you did this every time someone did it you'd be very bloody busy! Ha!

like CBF 1 just did one post AFTER hers!

Blueflame
09-28-2010, 12:08 PM
Is it too fu cking much for you to figure out SHOW US ON THE FIELD with results ???

It you were not so interetsed in trying and failing to be a smart ass you might actully figure this out.

mod mode: The above warning regarding circumvention of language filters applies to you as well, CBF1....

/mod

Blueflame
09-28-2010, 12:09 PM
If you did this every time someone did it you'd be very bloody busy! Ha!

Looks like I might be gonna become busy then... :P

Dagmar
09-28-2010, 12:11 PM
People are very angry this week, I'm not surprised after a loss, but we all knew we were gonna lose, I am actually confident going up against the Titans, expect a Ravens defeat as usual and then smacking down the Jets.

broncocalijohn
09-28-2010, 12:22 PM
Good idea. Show our future opponents exactly what we're going to do the next time we get in the red zone. :spit:

Do you really think he meant on paper or actually on Sunday afternoon? Some of you guys are acting like Requiem.... a total brick.

Beantown Bronco
09-28-2010, 12:29 PM
Do you really think he meant on paper or actually on Sunday afternoon? Some of you guys are acting like Requiem.... a total brick.

I was being as serious as you were when you wrote that Shanny is over 70 years old.

Dr. Broncenstein
09-28-2010, 02:04 PM
We were 0/5 in the redzone. O-fer. The kind of results that make you consider doing something completely different.

bendog
09-28-2010, 02:51 PM
the whole thread makes me think ..... rugby.

Taco John
09-28-2010, 05:02 PM
Good call Blue... Nice of you to cut a little slack too. I was about to fly of the handle, but saw you had it in hand.

Gort
09-28-2010, 05:35 PM
People are very angry this week, I'm not surprised after a loss, but we all knew we were gonna lose, I am actually confident going up against the Titans, expect a Ravens defeat as usual and then smacking down the Jets.

it's not anger. it's childishness. if one steps back and just reads the site for a day or two, you can really see the change in tone here from just 1 year ago. i think it's because the site is skewing younger, but that may or may not be the reason. it just seems like there "old guard" is being replaced by a more immature "new guard". what i mean by that is the folks who rack up 5K-10K posts per year seem to be changing. the older ones are moving on or becoming more quiet and the new ones replacing them are less inclined to debate an issue on merits and more inclined to just start dropping f bombs and insults. i'm sure the majority of the membership remains intact... but the ones who desperately need to monopolize each new thread (and get to 5K posts per year very quickly) seem to be different now.

Gort
09-28-2010, 05:42 PM
I am glad you noticed it now. I remember you were big supporter of Mcd earlier.
It's sad that Mcd learned only stubbornness from Bellichick.
I feel that he picks some player's just to prove a point.

during last year's 6-0 start, i was on the McD bandwagon. since then, not so much. i was never a "big" supporter though. i just felt that Shanny's act had worn thin and it was time for a change. i think McD was on the right side with Cutler, but the wrong side with Hillis. i wanted Brandon Marshall to grow up. i wanted Scheffler to shut up. i'm willing to give McD time to turn things around here... but not an indefinite amount of time. that's pretty much a summary of every stand i've taken on this site for the past 16 months.

mr007
10-03-2010, 10:44 PM
Last year he said the same thing when he was asked, why doesn't he QB sneak it with a yard or less to go? And he says the same thing - if you have to QB sneak it for 3rd and 1 you've got bigger issues at hand.


Yeah dude, because teams with strong mobile QBs have issues using a sneak on short-yardage situations......get a clue.

QB sneak is really not used all too often, and mostly it's used in 2 minute drill situations.

"Short-yardage" situations... QB sneak is used primarily on 3rd and less than a yard. Not "short-yardage" situations like a 3rd and 3.

Just like calling people out when they're completely wrong.

HAT
10-04-2010, 12:11 AM
[B]
Yesterday in local sports radio, they are saying that the only way jags can win a game is to play Denver again.


http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/ap/ca/fullj.be35a926f684873ed1ad95f8c142b8fe/1f0ba13050a54b87879658702691025a.jpg

Punisher
10-04-2010, 06:33 AM
Make him a RB for Christ sake, Orton has been playing great.

SonOfLe-loLang
10-04-2010, 08:27 AM
I'm glad someone bumped this. McD had such confidence in our running game that all our short yardage carries were Orton sneaks and WR screens. Why is the idea of using Tebow in these situations ridiculous again?

broncosteven
10-31-2010, 08:38 PM
"For all the problems the Broncos continue to have with their running game, particularly near the goal line, coach Josh McDaniels made one thing clear Monday: Tim Tebow is not the solution.

"We're not going to do that in short yardage," McDaniels said. "People who mention that, I don't know, that's ridiculous."

Tebow, the rookie first-round draft pick quarterback who become a collegiate legend and a Heisman Trophy winner in part because of bruising running style, has not played since taking two snaps and rushing for 2 yards against Jacksonville on Sept. 12. Neither of those plays came in the red zone, and neither was in short-yardage situations.

But wouldn't the player who scored 57 rushing touchdowns at the University
of Florida be an option for the Broncos now? No way, McDaniels said.

For now, Tebow remains a work-in-progress quarterback, in competition with Brady Quinn for the backup job behind Kyle Orton. Quinn was the No. 2 Sunday against the Colts, with Tebow inactive for the first time this season.

"Whatever they tell me each week, I'm going to do," Tebow said Monday. "I'm going to try to handle my role, and every week, try to improve in practice so I can create more of a role. That's my goal."

The Broncos haven't discarded the "Tebow Package" pages from the playbook, but McDaniels appears to have no plans to use Tebow in place of a tailback.

"Snapping the ball to a shotgun quarterback on third-and-1? If we can't get a third-and-1 some other way, we've got bigger problems," McDaniels said.

Indeed, that appears to be true. "



So Tebow scored today on 1st and goal out of the shotgun apparently it is only ridiculous on 3rd and 1 but ok on 1st and goal from the one now?

Dr. Broncenstein
10-31-2010, 08:50 PM
It's ridiculicious.

bowtown
10-31-2010, 08:57 PM
absoltoute