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Sassy
09-27-2010, 09:47 PM
LLOYD!
Screw the Marshall lovers. :sunshine:



Receiving Yards Leaders - All PlayersRK PLAYER TEAM REC TAR YDS AVG TD LONG 20+ YDS/G FUM YAC 1DN
1 Austin Collie, WR IND 27 32 359 13.3 4 73 6 119.7 1 107 14
2 Brandon Lloyd, WR DEN 14 22 339 24.2 1 61 7 113.0 0 16 13
3 DeSean Jackson, WR PHI 13 26 318 24.5 2 61 6 106.0 0 45 10
4 Miles Austin, WR DAL 22 29 308 14.0 1 30 5 102.7 0 92 16
5 Santana Moss, WR WSH 22 30 290 13.2 1 56 2 96.7 1 77 15
6 Brandon Marshall, WR MIA 22 38 290 13.2 1 46 3 96.7 0 34 15
7 Anquan Boldin, WR BAL 20 28 287 14.4 3 38 5 95.7 0 43 15
8 Reggie Wayne, WR IND 18 26 260 14.4 2 34 3 86.7 0 50 15
9 Roddy White, WR ATL 25 41 258 10.3 2 24 3 86.0 0 57 13
10 Andre Johnson, WR HOU 19 29 255 13.4 1 34 4 85.0 0 58 14

KevinJames
09-27-2010, 09:52 PM
Marshall is a beast in any system tho, Lloyd may just be a beast in McDaniels system.

but I think thats the beauty of the Marshall trade, we just didn't need to focus on one guy, we have to spread the ball around for the offense to tick, McDaniels offense is great now that we are finally seeing it work.

Orton is a good QB and we have good WRs
but the reason you see us #1 in the passing category in the NFL is because of McDaniel's offense, designed to get WRs open and we are seeing it big time, Orton is the perfect QB for it and I think down the line Tebow will easily fit in it too.

McDaniels gets a lot of hate for some of his moves but people need to realize hes building a team, not something thats going to settle for less than 8-8 every year like half the mediocre teams in the NFL.

UberBroncoMan
09-27-2010, 09:58 PM
Marshall is a beast in any system tho, Lloyd may just be a beast in McDaniels system.

but I think thats the beauty of the Marshall trade, we just didn't need to focus on one guy, we have to spread the ball around for the offense to tick, McDaniels offense is great now that we are finally seeing it work.

Orton is a good QB and we have good WRs
but the reason you see us #1 in the passing category in the NFL is because of McDaniel's offense, designed to get WRs open and we are seeing it big time, Orton is the perfect QB for it and I think down the line Tebow will easily fit in it too.

McDaniels gets a lot of hate for some of his moves but people need to realize hes building a team, not something thats going to settle for less than 8-8 every year like half the mediocre teams in the NFL.

Mmm...tell that to the 2007 Patriots with Randy Moss and Wes Welker.

Marshall is a monster. He's an amazing player. He's YAC ability won two games for us in Dallas and New England. Assuming we make a killer 2nd round defensive pick with what we get from Miami next year, the trade will have been worth it.

I'm fine with our current WR core though. Wish we got more out of Miami.

colonelbeef
09-27-2010, 10:00 PM
Lloyd is surprisingly spry and athletic, he is a decent #2 or #3 in this league.

Marshall is a dominant player, and will be for the next 6-7 years.

Sassy
09-27-2010, 10:01 PM
So what's your point? Right now Lloyd is the better WR at least for Denver.

scttgrd
09-27-2010, 10:04 PM
Crow all you want about Bradon Marshll and the like, win some damn games. Isn't that what McDaniels promised when he came here? Wins and red zone scores? Looks like he is a liar so far.

UberBroncoMan
09-27-2010, 10:06 PM
Crow all you want about Bradon Marshll and the like, win some damn games. Isn't that what McDaniels promised when he came here? Wins and red zone scores? Looks like he is a liar so far.

Marshall was one of if not our top Red Zone scoring targets last year.

Sassy
09-27-2010, 10:10 PM
Marshall was one of if not our top Red Zone scoring targets last year.

and if he gets in trouble again...how many games is he suspended? Locker room cancer....

TDmvp
09-27-2010, 10:13 PM
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/8471/nottagainz.jpg

:o) just wanted to use my new Ahh Jeez pic ... sorry , carry on

Sassy
09-27-2010, 10:15 PM
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/8471/nottagainz.jpg

:o) just wanted to use my new Ahh Jeez pic ... sorry , carry on

This should be posted in EVERY thread lately! LOL!

TDmvp
09-27-2010, 10:17 PM
This should be posted in EVERY thread lately! LOL!

Ha! Yea I was going to bust it out in the Orton >>>> JAy thread and forgot heheh

The MVPlaya
09-27-2010, 10:18 PM
Brandon Marshall said himself...

ever since he was in peewee football anytime he had a huge/great game, his team would lose and it's carried all the way from high school to college and through to the NFL.

Looks like that hasn't changed.

Bob's your Information Minister
09-27-2010, 10:21 PM
So what's your point? Right now Lloyd is the better WR at least for Denver.

You're so cute sometimes.

epicSocialism4tw
09-27-2010, 10:22 PM
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/8471/nottagainz.jpg

:o) just wanted to use my new ahh jeez pic ... Sorry , carry on

LOL

Skeletor!

BlaK-Argentina
09-27-2010, 10:39 PM
You're so cute sometimes.

She's right. So far this year Lloyd has played better. Made terrific plays in all three games. I watched every Dolphins game this year and Marshall had some bad drops. He's still a beast, no doubt... and will probably end up having a better season than Lloyd, but not so far. (and no, I'm not saying Lloyd is a better WR)

broncocalijohn
09-27-2010, 11:02 PM
BM had a great Sunday night game and only main thing I care about is that Miami loses to help our draft pick. Great thing is we havent missed a beat with him gone and probably saved some cash. We have less headaches and might have Thomas as the guy to fill his spot in the endzone.

Sassy
09-27-2010, 11:03 PM
BM had a great Sunday night game and only main thing I care about is that Miami loses to help our draft pick. Great thing is we havent missed a beat with him gone and probably saved some cash. We have less headaches and might have Thomas as the guy to fill his spot in the endzone.

:yayaya:

DivineLegion
09-27-2010, 11:30 PM
Whats funny is he only had 124 yards in two games with no touchdowns before he faced the likes of Antonio Chromartie.

bap454
09-27-2010, 11:59 PM
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/8471/nottagainz.jpg

:o) just wanted to use my new Ahh Jeez pic ... sorry , carry on

"By the power of GreyScull!!" (lightning crashes)

bap454
09-28-2010, 12:02 AM
The depth at WR is unreal! We are set for years to come. Defensive backs is another area we are stacked at. Now if they would only use the same theory on Defensive Linemen,runningbacks, and Linebackers. Well maybe next year if we have any draft picks by then.?

Cito Pelon
09-28-2010, 12:04 AM
Lloyd has speed. No way Marshall can run the post route like Lloyd can. Marshall is a possession WR. Josh should go for the post more often to loosen the D up, especially early in the game.

Doggcow
09-28-2010, 12:04 AM
Hey Marshall had a monster game against Miami.

And Lost.

Weird.

Cito Pelon
09-28-2010, 12:08 AM
Marshall was one of if not our top Red Zone scoring targets last year.

I found it very interesting that Marshall had his career high TD catches his first year with McD as his OC/HC.

Ratboy
09-28-2010, 02:50 AM
I'd still take Marshall over Lloyd.

Lolad
09-28-2010, 04:36 AM
I found it very interesting that Marshall had his career high TD catches his first year with McD as his OC/HC.

I think he just knew he had to get it in or we would fail on goal line runs. I still am to this day unsure if we will get it in when we are within 3 yards of the endzone. McDaniels is unimaginitive when it comes to plays in that area.

BroncosSR
09-28-2010, 05:23 AM
Please... because Brandon Lloyd screams double coverage... Teams game plan to defend Marshall... Lloyd, not so much...

Dedhed
09-28-2010, 05:25 AM
Marshall is a beast in any system tho, Lloyd may just be a beast in McDaniels system.

Why would anyone care about what a player can, or can't, do in a system other than the one we're running?

Dedhed
09-28-2010, 05:29 AM
Marshall was one of if not our top Red Zone scoring targets last year.

The Red Zone offense was terrible every year Marshall was here.

ColoradoDarin
09-28-2010, 05:42 AM
I'd still take Marshall over Lloyd.

I'm pretty happy with Lloyd and 2 2nds...

Ray Finkle
09-28-2010, 06:05 AM
it isn't even comparable. I dislike Marshall the person but would take him 10 out 10 times over Lloyd.

tsiguy96
09-28-2010, 06:07 AM
not gonna hate on marshall hes a great WR as far as YAC, theres no one better. but his YPC will always be lower than the elite guys, and i like having multiple guys who can catch it as opposed to one guy who gets 100+ balls.

TonyR
09-28-2010, 06:21 AM
BM is a great player but I honestly think D. Thomas may have more upside, and with our current WR depth I really think trading BM was a great move.

worm
09-28-2010, 06:30 AM
BM is a great player but I honestly think D. Thomas may have more upside, and with our current WR depth I really think trading BM was a great move.

I agree. As long as he stays on the field and doesn't go all Ryan Harris on us.

Facts:

1) Between the lines, BM is one of the best receivers in the NFL.
2) BL is having a fantastic year for us.
3) Those two facts only need to be compared in gay Week 4 threads by people who enjoy looking behind them more than in front.

TonyR
09-28-2010, 06:36 AM
I agree. As long as he stays on the field and doesn't go all Ryan Harris on us.

Absolutely. DT has similar size to BM but more speed and perhaps better hands. I think the sky's the limit for this kid but the foot still concerns me, hopefully needlessly. But what little I've seen from him thus far makes me very happy with the pick and much more comfortable with losing BM.

Dedhed
09-28-2010, 06:38 AM
Comparing Lloyd to Marshall directly is just silly. I do, however, think the current receiving unit is better than the one we had with Marshall on it, and I think this team is far better off without Brandon.

worm
09-28-2010, 06:45 AM
Comparing Lloyd to Marshall directly is just silly. I do, however, think the current receiving unit is better than the one we had with Marshall on it, and I think this team is far better off without Brandon.

We definately are more resillent now to injuries, suspensions and defenses taking away one WR with a great cover corner. This is one place where the 'cog' approach by McDaniels makes a lot of sense.

DT coming into his own as a playmaker that pressures defenses deep will only make this unit better. Clearly our best position top to bottom on the team.

broncogary
09-28-2010, 06:54 AM
Whats funny is he only had 124 yards in two games with no touchdowns before he faced the likes of Antonio Chromartie.

Yeah, Marshall tears up Cromartie for 21 catches last season, the Jet's have the great Revis, so the Jet's decide to have Cromartie cover Marshall all game.

It almost cost them, too.

bendog
09-28-2010, 06:57 AM
We definately are more resillent now to injuries, suspensions and defenses taking away one WR with a great cover corner. This is one place where the 'cog' approach by McDaniels makes a lot of sense.

DT coming into his own as a playmaker that pressures defenses deep will only make this unit better. Clearly our best position top to bottom on the team.



If DT is healthy, it's all good. I'm not sure what the take on "taking away one WR" comes from. But, McDaniels got value for BM, who clearly didn't want to be in Den anymore.

bowtown
09-28-2010, 07:01 AM
Comparing Lloyd to Marshall directly is just silly. I do, however, think the current receiving unit is better than the one we had with Marshall on it, and I think this team is far better off without Brandon.

Brandon Marshall's 2010 base salary: 4 million

Lloyd, Royal, and Gaffney's 2010 base salaries combined: 4.45 million

It gets even uglier if you start prorating guaranteed money.

The salary cap is not going to be gone forever folks. On a cost-producton ratio, this team (so far) is much better off without Brandon Marshall.

SouthStndJunkie
09-28-2010, 07:03 AM
Yeah, Marshall tears up Cromartie for 21 catches last season, the Jet's have the great Revis, so the Jet's decide to have Cromartie cover Marshall all game.

It almost cost them, too.

Revis did not play in the Miami game because of a hammy injury.

Kaylore
09-28-2010, 07:07 AM
Crow all you want about Bradon Marshll and the like, win some damn games. Isn't that what McDaniels promised when he came here? Wins and red zone scores? Looks like he is a liar so far.

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broncogary
09-28-2010, 07:12 AM
Revis did not play in the Miami game because of a hammy injury.

Ah, I only watched the end of the game, and my opponent in fantasy football had Marshall. I wasn't too happy to see Cromartie on him.

TotallyScrewed
09-28-2010, 07:19 AM
So what's your point? Right now Lloyd is the better WR at least for Denver.

Don't forget that it takes a QB to get a completion. Orton is a much better QB than Henne. In fact, Orton is playing his best. There's no logical reason to believe that Marshall isn't a major beast and one of the top 4-5 wr's in the game. I like Lloyd but he's not Marshall.

Not no how, not no way.

bowtown
09-28-2010, 07:23 AM
Don't forget that it takes a QB to get a completion. Orton is a much better QB than Henne. In fact, Orton is playing his best. There's no logical reason to believe that Marshall is a major beast and one of the top 4-5 wr's in the game. I like Lloyd but he's not Marshall.

Not no how, not no way.

For Denver thus far, yes he is.

TotallyScrewed
09-28-2010, 07:24 AM
Absolutely. DT has similar size to BM but more speed and perhaps better hands. I think the sky's the limit for this kid but the foot still concerns me, hopefully needlessly. But what little I've seen from him thus far makes me very happy with the pick and much more comfortable with losing BM.

He doesn't have Marshall's quicks or feet or instinct for the YAC. His better hands nearly cost them a fumble. But in truth, he does appear to have a very bright future and the sky's the limit. Let's just keep it real given we have two games to compare him to a beast.

Beantown Bronco
09-28-2010, 07:32 AM
I found it very interesting that Marshall had his career high TD catches his first year with McD as his OC/HC.

....and Orton as his QB. :yayaya:

Dedhed
09-28-2010, 07:37 AM
He doesn't have Marshall's quicks or feet or instinct for the YAC.
Is this based just entirely on your biased anti-McD stance?

The MVPlaya
09-28-2010, 07:40 AM
Please... because Brandon Lloyd screams double coverage... Teams game plan to defend Marshall... Lloyd, not so much...

So you're claiming that, if Brandon Lloyd continues to make big plays like he is, teams will not plan to defend against Lloyd?

Man, for Broncos sake, I hope the NFL coaching logic is as moronic as yours.

ICON
09-28-2010, 07:43 AM
Brandon Marshall's 2010 base salary: 4 million

Lloyd, Royal, and Gaffney's 2010 base salaries combined: 4.45 million

It gets even uglier if you start prorating guaranteed money.

The salary cap is not going to be gone forever folks. On a cost-producton ratio, this team (so far) is much better off without Brandon Marshall.this!

bendog
09-28-2010, 08:21 AM
this!

except the fact that unless DT's is a flop, he'll be getting large too in three more years

TonyR
09-28-2010, 08:27 AM
He doesn't have Marshall's quicks or feet or instinct for the YAC. His better hands nearly cost them a fumble. But in truth, he does appear to have a very bright future and the sky's the limit. Let's just keep it real given we have two games to compare him to a beast.

I agree that you can't compare a rookie who's played in two games to a Pro Bowler in his 5th season. That would be foolish. But DT did more in his first game as a pro than BM did in any game his first season. Again, I think BM is a great player but I honestly think DT can potentially be a better one.

TailgateNut
09-28-2010, 08:29 AM
Crow all you want about Bradon Marshll and the like, win some damn games. Isn't that what McDaniels promised when he came here? Wins and red zone scores? Looks like he is a liar so far.

I have a razor you can borrow. remember it's up the arm not across the wrist.:wiggle:

TotallyScrewed
09-28-2010, 12:07 PM
Is this based just entirely on your biased anti-McD stance?

Please explain your logic.

broncocalijohn
09-28-2010, 12:35 PM
except the fact that unless DT's is a flop, he'll be getting large too in three more years

who cares? He will have earned it and BM would be probably making even more. As of right now, we have 4 good receivers and not missing BM's contract, production or attitude. You statement is like when you only make $100k saying, "I dont want to make a million dollars because I would be taxed more."

Lolad
09-28-2010, 01:25 PM
I agree that you can't compare a rookie who's played in two games to a Pro Bowler in his 5th season. That would be foolish. But DT did more in his first game as a pro than BM did in any game his first season. Again, I think BM is a great player but I honestly think DT can potentially be a better one.

I don't think that's entirely true. Marshall was injured the beginning of the season and didn't see any significant playing time till late in the season. I remember the seatle game where he ran through 3-4 tackles for a tying TD

TonyR
09-28-2010, 01:31 PM
I don't think that's entirely true. Marshall was injured the beginning of the season and didn't see any significant playing time till late in the season.

What isn't true? BM played in 8 games his rookie year. He never had a game like DT had in his first professional game. This is not to suggest that DT is better or will be better than BM. It is only to support my opinion that DT has more upside than BM. Like I said before, similar size but more speed and perhaps better hands. BM is a great football player and I hope DT can one day be that good. I think if he stays healthy he has the potential to be better.

bendog
09-28-2010, 01:36 PM
who cares? He will have earned it and BM would be probably making even more. As of right now, we have 4 good receivers and not missing BM's contract, production or attitude. You statement is like when you only make $100k saying, "I dont want to make a million dollars because I would be taxed more."

well, exactly, but saying BM costs less cap in an uncapped year is sort of .... when DT will be getting paid more than BM unless he's a flop.

But, DT is a good looking young WR. Don't get me wrong. And I wasn't sorry to see BM go elsewhere for two no.2's.

Dedhed
09-28-2010, 01:39 PM
Please explain your logic.

My logic is based on the fact that your take is completely subjective; therefore having no basis in fact.