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KevinJames
09-27-2010, 10:28 PM
I watched the game again and wow :strong: hes going to be a good one, he got up in Manning's face a lot and hit him, stopped the run a few times once with a monster hit on addai for a loss of yards. Ayers and the tight coverage from the secondary early was a huge reason we kept them bottled on offense for so long.

I think we got ourselves another good pass rusher, once Doom gets back these 2 will be a 3-4 OLB tandem that no O-line would want to face.

He can't do it alone this season tho I would love to see Hunter or Moss step up more Hunter hasn't been awful but he hasn't been good either and Moss is just invisible so far I think hes cut after this year despite the nice pre season.

Popps
09-27-2010, 10:34 PM
Agree!

Meant to mention that in another thread. Also agree that he's not a game-changer, yet.
But, he seems to be improving into a force that teams have to deal with on every play.

****, man... imagine when Doom is back to 100% and those two guys are crashing the edges.




Moss is useless. His hussle apparently didn't keep him fly.

Lev Vyvanse
09-27-2010, 10:35 PM
Ayers looks great.

Orange4Life
09-27-2010, 10:39 PM
I was thinking the same thing thing during the game. Ayers is coming along nicely. When Doom gets back its going to be awesome

GoHAM
09-27-2010, 10:42 PM
Moss is useless. His hussle apparently didn't keep him fly.

So...

apparently he won't kill to stay rich.

Not that I'm surprised...

The Joker
09-27-2010, 10:43 PM
He's becoming a real bright spot in that front seven.

I still don't think he'll ever be a guy who'll get 12-15 sacks in a season, but he looks a very complete football player out there. Looks beastly against the run, can rush the passer well, plays his assignment nicely and isn't a complete liability in coverage by any means.

Looks a perfect compliment to Dumervil, it's a real shame that we'll have to wait until 2011 to see them on the field together.

SoCalBronco
09-27-2010, 10:45 PM
He's strong vs. the run and rapidly improving as a pass rusher. He'll probably end up with around 7-8 sacks this year. He's going to be a very good 3-4 SOLB.

~Crash~
09-27-2010, 10:50 PM
Yep that is two games in a row were he looks better each game glad for him .

Marcus Thomas has had two games were he has looked like a fine player . he has been keeping on his feet and making a diffence on the D line .

~Crash~
09-27-2010, 10:51 PM
Marcus Thomas is only 24 so........

KevinJames
09-27-2010, 10:55 PM
Marcus Thomas is a an underrated player for us IMO gets way too much hate because people expect too much from him hes not spectacular but hes solid.

he has a pretty nice spin move lol

~Crash~
09-27-2010, 11:06 PM
Marcus Thomas is a an underrated player for us IMO gets way too much hate because people expect too much from him hes not spectacular but hes solid.

he has a pretty nice spin move lol

oh he was not all that good but our D line coaches seem to be developing his his game . He has played I would say double the snaps so far and he is keeping on his feet . he looks 10 times better than last year.

colonelbeef
09-27-2010, 11:11 PM
Ayers is turning out to be a hell of a pick by McDaniels, he gets tons of credit for it.

He will be the perfect complement to Dumervil when he gets back.

Dagmar
09-27-2010, 11:15 PM
Didnt Mayock say he was going to be the best defensive player in the draft, it'd just take 2 or 3 years?

The idiots calling him a bust after one year as usual proven to be idiots.

The MVPlaya
09-27-2010, 11:20 PM
Ayers is turning out to be a hell of a pick by McDaniels, he gets tons of credit for it.

He will be the perfect complement to Dumervil when he gets back.

Supposedly Martindale personally scouted Ayers...

The MVPlaya
09-27-2010, 11:21 PM
Didnt Mayock say he was going to be the best defensive player in the draft, it'd just take 2 or 3 years?

The idiots calling him a bust after one year as usual proven to be idiots.

Yeah Mayock did say that... I think the time frame was about 3-4 years though.

colonelbeef
09-27-2010, 11:21 PM
Supposedly Martindale personally scouted Ayers...

I bet his scouting went as follows:

scouting target 1: Robert Ayers

scouting target 2: a crueller

epicSocialism4tw
09-27-2010, 11:28 PM
He's strong vs. the run and rapidly improving as a pass rusher. He'll probably end up with around 7-8 sacks this year. He's going to be a very good 3-4 SOLB.

One word that describes Ayers: Power.

For those who have had a kinesiology class in college, you have studied the traits of athleticism. One of those traits is a thing called "power". Its different than strength. Its what I would call "torque load" or something similar. Its the ability to maximize impact, to move large objects as a function of strength and positioning. Ayers is powerful.

Its what Mayock saw in him before the draft. He saw that power with an excellent burst and nice speed. He also saw the commitment to learn. Im sure that he figured that Ayers would learn to couple his athletic gifts with a skillset of moves.

If Ayers does that, backs and QB's will fear him. Dude will hurt people.

outdoor_miner
09-27-2010, 11:38 PM
I was thinking the same thing thing during the game. Ayers is coming along nicely. When Doom gets back its going to be awesome

Before the season, I was hoping for a best case scenario where Ayers blossoms into one of the defensive leaders, so that when Doom comes back, we have an amazing 1-2 punch. It definitely looks like a possibility. This year is a great opportunity for him to be "the man" with Doom out.... It would be really amazing to have 2 Pro-Bowl caliber OLB. That's the type of thing you can build a Top 5 defense around...

The MVPlaya
09-27-2010, 11:40 PM
3 years

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Clay Matthews probably has it locked up though.

epicSocialism4tw
09-27-2010, 11:56 PM
Clay Matthews probably has it locked up though.

I'm not sure. He'll get the benefit of the doubt because of who his family is, but Ayers' ceiling is that of generational stars. If and when he totally puts his game together, he'll be unstoppable. We're already seeing some of that now. He and Champ (DJ to a lesser extent) have been the best players on the defense through the first three games.

Ayers/DJ/Dumervil? That's a dominant set of LB's. That's the total package. I guess we'll have to wait to see that until next year. Hopefully Champ and Dawkins will still be playing at their current levels, because if they are...this will be a dominant defense. A defense that can win games on its own.

SoCalBronco
09-27-2010, 11:58 PM
One word that describes Ayers: Power.

For those who have had a kinesiology class in college, you have studied the traits of athleticism. One of those traits is a thing called "power". Its different than strength. Its what I would call "torque load" or something similar. Its the ability to maximize impact, to move large objects as a function of strength and positioning. Ayers is powerful.

Its what Mayock saw in him before the draft. He saw that power with an excellent burst and nice speed. He also saw the commitment to learn. Im sure that he figured that Ayers would learn to couple his athletic gifts with a skillset of moves.

If Ayers does that, backs and QB's will fear him. Dude will hurt people.

Agreed.

http://www.moviemobsters.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/jurassic_park_movie_image_t_rex__1_1.jpg

Lev Vyvanse
09-28-2010, 12:00 AM
Agreed.

http://www.moviemobsters.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/jurassic_park_movie_image_t_rex__1_1.jpg

LOL. Thats not nice. He's starting to use his hands.

Baba Booey
09-28-2010, 12:09 AM
I was impressed as well. Damn I can't wait to see him, DJ, and Doom in the same linebacking group.

Now if we can just draft a good young ILB to pair with DJ we will be set. Donta Hightower is eligible for the upcoming draft, Greg Jones, Te'O, Sturdivant, Galippo...

Cito Pelon
09-28-2010, 12:11 AM
Ayers is starting to assert himself.

Garcia Bronco
09-28-2010, 12:11 AM
Ayers is a better LB than Dummervil in that spot.

Popps
09-28-2010, 12:28 AM
Like MVP pointed out... both Moreno and Ayers were thought to be 2-3 year projects.

Quoydogs
09-28-2010, 12:36 AM
Like MVP pointed out... both Moreno and Ayers were thought to be 2-3 year projects.

See that's what I don't understand. Why is a high first round draft pick a 2 to 3 year project ?

bap454
09-28-2010, 12:56 AM
Nice to see Ayers getting some well deserved love. Hes a different player than last year. Two other guys that I was impressed by include DJ and Vickerson.....yes Vickerson. He plays with a nasty demenor and was involved when he was in the game. Vickerson should see the field more. :strong:

Zoobie
09-28-2010, 01:17 AM
Like MVP pointed out... both Moreno and Ayers were thought to be 2-3 year projects.

No running back should be a 2-3 year project, it's probably the easiest position to translate from college to the pros.

tsiguy96
09-28-2010, 04:39 AM
One word that describes Ayers: Power.

For those who have had a kinesiology class in college, you have studied the traits of athleticism. One of those traits is a thing called "power". Its different than strength. Its what I would call "torque load" or something similar. Its the ability to maximize impact, to move large objects as a function of strength and positioning. Ayers is powerful.

Its what Mayock saw in him before the draft. He saw that power with an excellent burst and nice speed. He also saw the commitment to learn. Im sure that he figured that Ayers would learn to couple his athletic gifts with a skillset of moves.

If Ayers does that, backs and QB's will fear him. Dude will hurt people.

power is the ability to move weight quickly, has nothing to do with positioning. torque is a measure of rotational force, like a spinning wheel.

ayers is a beast though, no question. looks so aggressive out there.

fontaine
09-28-2010, 04:57 AM
Ayers has really improved and is much stronger moving upfield.

I really look forward to seeing what Doom and Ayers can do on the field together next year coupled with some better DL.

Steve Prefontaine
09-28-2010, 06:41 AM
ayers has been a beast. very impressive this year.

moreno a 2-3 year project? first i've ever heard that said about a rb.

TonyR
09-28-2010, 06:49 AM
Hopefully Champ and Dawkins will still be playing at their current levels...

Champ, yes. Dawkins, I'm not so sure. I think he's a huge liability in coverage and I think he's declined from last season all around. If I recall correctly his contract only guaranteed the first two years so this could be his last season in Denver unless he's willing to play for less money (assuming there's even a season next year).

Rabb
09-28-2010, 06:56 AM
I cannot wait to see him and Doom out there at the same time, that is a serious matchup issue for opposing offenses

Ray Finkle
09-28-2010, 07:03 AM
No running back should be a 2-3 year project, it's probably the easiest position to translate from college to the pros.

true but you really see the "jump" in the second/third year. The first year they struggle in pass protection and the small things. Moreno if/when he is healthy will be good the second half of the season.

Dedhed
09-28-2010, 07:04 AM
Yeah Mayock did say that... I think the time frame was about 3-4 years though.

I think the actual quote was that he thought Ayers would be the best defensive player in that draft three years down the road.

He looks to be on pace to be that type of impact player, and when teams have to deal with Doom on the other side I think he'll be a beast.

Kaylore
09-28-2010, 08:08 AM
He's strong vs. the run and rapidly improving as a pass rusher. He'll probably end up with around 7-8 sacks this year. He's going to be a very good 3-4 SOLB.

The Rev and I were saying 5-7 sacks for him were more than plenty if he keeps being a force in the run like he is. He's the type of physical player that can make a defense a lot better. Very smart pick by McDaniels.

lostknight
09-28-2010, 08:53 AM
I really don't think we have a problem with our front seven. I also think that when healthy, we have a pretty good CB squad. I think our safeties are fairly suspect at the moment, but with more coming from injury, they too will be okay.

Robert Ayers was my favorite pick in the draft, and I had Moreno for my second in pre-draft lists. Moreno didn't disappoint last year - despite unrealistic expectations given the departure of Mike Shanahan - but he sure is sucking it so far this year. Something's going to have to give there.

Ayers is going to be all-right. It's more a confidence thing then anything else I think right now - he needs to know that he can beat the big guys.

lostknight
09-28-2010, 08:54 AM
Almost all of McDaniel's picks have been on that two year horizon - Ayers, DT, Moreno (possibly?), Tebow have all had the same knock - need a year or two under their belt, then they are going to be great. It seems a deliberate strategy rather then a accident.

HILife
09-28-2010, 09:07 AM
Marcus Thomas is a an underrated player for us IMO gets way too much hate because people expect too much from him hes not spectacular but hes solid.

he has a pretty nice spin move lol

Don't forget the backflips

Traveler
09-28-2010, 09:14 AM
Nice to see Ayers getting some well deserved love. Hes a different player than last year. Two other guys that I was impressed by include DJ and Vickerson.....yes Vickerson. He plays with a nasty demenor and was involved when he was in the game. Vickerson should see the field more. :strong:

I agree with the Vickerson statement. He should be starting in place of McBean IMO.

Br0nc0Buster
09-28-2010, 10:52 AM
I agree with the Vickerson statement. He should be starting in place of McBean IMO.

Vickerson did look good
glad to see because we need young depth on the front seven, hopefully he is a keeper

as far as Moss and Hunter....eh not that impressed so far

Ayers though is a bull, he is looking good and I hope he keeps improving

he can really be the perfect SOLB though if he keeps it up

Popps
09-28-2010, 10:58 AM
See that's what I don't understand. Why is a high first round draft pick a 2 to 3 year project ?

Could be a number of reasons. Take Moreno... who came out early. Or, you could have a guy making a positional transition. Maybe a guy was late to the sport, and is still developing.

Both have made nice contributions, so there's not much of a story in that department. I was just pointing out that these guys were thought to be guys that needed a little time to develop.

Actually, most draft picks do.

gyldenlove
09-28-2010, 11:24 AM
He's strong vs. the run and rapidly improving as a pass rusher. He'll probably end up with around 7-8 sacks this year. He's going to be a very good 3-4 SOLB.

He is going to be a great complement to Dumervil, Doom is a balls to the wall pass rusher who can get to the passer, Ayers is more balanced and will help the run defense more while still being really disruptive on the edge. The 2 could form a really great duo.

gyldenlove
09-28-2010, 11:28 AM
See that's what I don't understand. Why is a high first round draft pick a 2 to 3 year project ?

The draft is not about how good you are, but how good you are going to be.

Look at Colt McCoy, he set all kinds of records at Texas, including being the QB with the most wins ever in the NCAA, but he fell through the draft because his ceiling isn't high enough. Look at Demayrius Thomas on the other hand, he never had a 50 reception season, never had 10 TDs, only 1 1000 yard season in college and he is a 1st round pick because he offers a unique blend of power, size and speed.

Ayers only had 1 year starting full time in college, there is no way he was going to be a difference maker in his 2nd year as a starter, especially not with a position switch. But his physical talent meant he was a guy who can be a star, so he is a 1st round pick, while guys who put up better stats than him in college but can not improve much fall to later rounds.

TheReverend
09-28-2010, 12:04 PM
The Rev and I were saying 5-7 sacks for him were more than plenty if he keeps being a force in the run like he is. He's the type of physical player that can make a defense a lot better. Very smart pick by McDaniels.

Yup. I'm absolutely 110% thrilled with his development and season thus far.

Man-Goblin
09-28-2010, 12:07 PM
Yup. I'm absolutely 110% thrilled with his development and season thus far.


Absolute 110%.

WABronco
09-28-2010, 12:07 PM
LaMarr Woodley to Dumervil's Harrison? YES PLZ

boppool
09-28-2010, 12:50 PM
Ayers is a better LB than Dummervil in that spot.

Dumervil is a better pass rusher. He's one of the best in the league in that department.

Ayers is and will be better overall OLB.

epicSocialism4tw
09-28-2010, 12:56 PM
Dumervil is a better pass rusher. He's one of the best in the league in that department.

Ayers is and will be better overall OLB.

Last season Dumervil was the best in that department. :thumbsup:

TheReverend
09-28-2010, 01:57 PM
Like MVP pointed out... both Moreno and Ayers were thought to be 2-3 year projects.

Huh?

Eldorado
09-28-2010, 02:00 PM
I thought Moreno was considered the most pro-ready back in terms of blitz pick up and receiving out of the back field.

TheReverend
09-28-2010, 02:02 PM
I thought Moreno was considered the most pro-ready back in terms of blitz pick up and receiving out of the back field.

The concept of a 2-3 year project being taken at #12 when the position is ****ing RUNNING BACK is probably the dumbest thing I've heard on this board in quite some time.

Moreno is fine. He's effective when healthy. Period.

Eldorado
09-28-2010, 02:13 PM
The concept of a 2-3 year project being taken at #12 when the position is ****ing RUNNING BACK is probably the dumbest thing I've heard on this board in quite some time.

Moreno is fine. He's effective when healthy. Period.

Running backs have long careers and take time to develop.

Eldorado
09-28-2010, 02:13 PM
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Garcia Bronco
09-28-2010, 02:22 PM
Dumervil is a better pass rusher. He's one of the best in the league in that department.

Ayers is and will be better overall OLB.

Yeah..and give me the overall guy as opposed to the guy that is some what one dimensional. I am not completely versed int eh 3-4 vs the 4-3...but what do we lose from Ayers by putting him back on the other side?

Beantown Bronco
09-28-2010, 02:32 PM
Huh?

The concept of a 2-3 year project being taken at #12 when the position is ****ing RUNNING BACK is probably the dumbest thing I've heard on this board in quite some time.

Moreno is fine. He's effective when healthy. Period.


He must've meant Moss and typed Moreno by accident.


At least I hope.

TonyR
09-28-2010, 02:39 PM
Running backs have long careers and take time to develop.

I agree with what you're saying but to be fair some RB's do "blossom" after their rookie years. Take Ray Rice as an example. Rashard Mendenhall also qualifies. Look at Chris Johnson's leap from his rookie year to his second year. There are plenty of others.

TheReverend
09-28-2010, 03:10 PM
He must've meant Moss and typed Moreno by accident.


At least I hope.

Same guy that just said 2008's 20 player index card debacle was a logical plan...

BroncoMan4ever
09-28-2010, 10:38 PM
I watched the game again and wow :strong: hes going to be a good one, he got up in Manning's face a lot and hit him, stopped the run a few times once with a monster hit on addai for a loss of yards. Ayers and the tight coverage from the secondary early was a huge reason we kept them bottled on offense for so long.

I think we got ourselves another good pass rusher, once Doom gets back these 2 will be a 3-4 OLB tandem that no O-line would want to face.

He can't do it alone this season tho I would love to see Hunter or Moss step up more Hunter hasn't been awful but he hasn't been good either and Moss is just invisible so far I think hes cut after this year despite the nice pre season.

this season i really don't think Moss or Hunter are the answer as the guy to pair with Ayers. Vickerson is the one i think is going to step up and help him out.

Ayers really progressed this season and had Doom not been injured, i believe we would have fielded one of the most feared pair of pass rushers in the league.

The Joker
09-28-2010, 11:47 PM
this season i really don't think Moss or Hunter are the answer as the guy to pair with Ayers. Vickerson is the one i think is going to step up and help him out.

Ayers really progressed this season and had Doom not been injured, i believe we would have fielded one of the most feared pair of pass rushers in the league.

Vickerson isn't an OLB. He looks to have some promise as part of the rotation on the 3 man D-Line, but he's certainly not much of a pass rush threat from what I can see.

Agree with your second paragraph, if Elvis returns 100% we'll have a very nice pass rush next season.

The Joker
09-28-2010, 11:59 PM
Yeah..and give me the overall guy as opposed to the guy that is some what one dimensional. I am not completely versed int eh 3-4 vs the 4-3...but what do we lose from Ayers by putting him back on the other side?

Ayers would seem very well suited to playing opposite a pure pass rusher like Elvis. Assuming Doom recovers, I expect Ayers to blitz less next season than he will this year. We're blitzing him a lot this year out of necessity as he's more of a threat to get to the QB than either Moss or Hunter are.

Next year I would expect he'll be more of a traditional SOLB than he'll be this year, and that will be better for him and will in turn make Elvis better by making up for Doom's deficiencies against the run.

All in all it should help him, as playing opposite Doom should allow him to showcase his diverse skillset better.

ZONA
09-29-2010, 12:11 AM
I love how Ayers is coming along. Dude is a big LB and he's physical. And DJ, whoa, the dude is playing lights out right now. He took a bad angle the other game which gave the other team a long run but other then that, I haven't seen him miss on too much at all this season. His tackling is impressive.


Speaking of defensive front 7 players, I watched the Cards game and good lord is Dockett and friggin monster. Oh man I wish we had that guy on our team. I don't care what lineman you put in front of him, the QB has 3 seconds to get rid of the ball or he's going down. Maybe we could trade Brady Quinn and Doom for him :strong:

Popps
09-29-2010, 12:13 AM
He must've meant Moss and typed Moreno by accident.


At least I hope.

No, I meant Moreno.

He came out after just 2 years of school. Guys who do that often need a bit more developmental time, physically and mentally. He's just now 23.

Though, it was thought that he'd be more "pro-ready" than Ayers was, right away. So, while I mentioned them together... it was simply to the extent that neither was really expected to come right in and blow up the league immediately.

I still think both will be very productive players for us.

footstepsfrom#27
09-29-2010, 01:06 AM
No, I meant Moreno.

He came out after just 2 years of school. Guys who do that often need a bit more developmental time, physically and mentally. He's just now 23.

Though, it was thought that he'd be more "pro-ready" than Ayers was, right away. So, while I mentioned them together... it was simply to the extent that neither was really expected to come right in and blow up the league immediately.

I still think both will be very productive players for us.
Link to where Moreno was considered by any scout, coach or GM as a 2-3 year project please.

DivineLegion
09-29-2010, 01:27 AM
Link to where Moreno was considered by any scout, coach or GM as a 2-3 year project please.

There isn't one I just looked at like 15 because I was curious, and about 2/3 of them said he would be an imediate impact performer. There is a catch! Most of the scouting reports that I read said that Marino would need to take some time to add weight before he would really reach his potential. So really you could say they are both right. You can reward Popps for his reading comprehension and Rev for being able to read.

footstepsfrom#27
09-29-2010, 01:42 AM
There isn't one I just looked at like 15 because I was curious, and about 2/3 of them said he would be an imediate impact performer. There is a catch! Most of the scouting reports that I read said that Marino would need to take some time to add weight before he would really reach his potential. So really you could say they are both right. You can reward Popps for his reading comprehension and Rev for being able to read.
He's 217 already how big does he need to be?

Link to anything you found please that backs this up. I've NEVER heard even once that this guy was a 2-3 year project, and him needing to add weight to reach his potential is not really the same thing. If that is true it really adds even more of a cloud over his draft selection. He had a redshirt year in college so he's only one year younger than the standard senior graduates in his classs...not like he's 20 or something.

kappys
09-29-2010, 01:52 AM
Dumervil is a better pass rusher. He's one of the best in the league in that department.

Ayers is and will be better overall OLB.

Ayers is a more complete LB but the kind of value a top notch pass rusher brings to a defense is huge. That makes judging Ayers as a better LB a little tougher IMO.

Drek
09-29-2010, 03:56 AM
Dumervil is a better pass rusher. He's one of the best in the league in that department.

Ayers is and will be better overall OLB.

Its an unfair judgment to make right now. We're comparing Doom in his first year at OLB to Ayers in his second. For all we know Doom could have seriously stepped up his run support and pass pro skills this off-season and was ready to be a star all around back.

What we do know is that Doom has the textbook skills you want in a 3-4 weak side OLB, and Ayers has the textbook skills you want on the strong side opposite him.

Its going to be pretty fantastic to see the two of them playing together next year. Especially if the youth on the DL (McBean, Vickerson, and Thomas) continues to develop and keeps blockers off of them.

Drek
09-29-2010, 04:03 AM
He's 217 already how big does he need to be?

Link to anything you found please that backs this up. I've NEVER heard even once that this guy was a 2-3 year project, and him needing to add weight to reach his potential is not really the same thing. If that is true it really adds even more of a cloud over his draft selection. He had a redshirt year in college so he's only one year younger than the standard senior graduates in his classs...not like he's 20 or something.

Except that most collegians are red shirted, and Moreno came out as a sophomore. He's as young as someone could possibly be coming out of the draft.

However, he was not projected as a 2-3 year project. He was supposed to be a polished starter out of the gate, and he in fact is. His pass pro is very solid already, he's a great receiver out of the backfield, and despite some seriously OL problems he was the leading rookie rusher last year and put up just shy of 1K yards despite working in a shared load system where he hit the bench in any game we got comfortably ahead in.

He's already a good player. The question now is will he ever be great once the OL has stabilized and when he's finally healthy.

Mediator12
09-29-2010, 09:31 AM
Ayers was good in that game, but the Colts OL is not really an indictment of this kids Talent. He was going up against some of the weakest OL he will face this year, and he made them look bad. Good, he should because they are not good at all and have a ton of backup level starters playing right now.

The thing with Ayers, is the totally different technique and mental speed of the game. He has all the physical talents to play a 3-4 OLB, he just has to get reps and get comfortable playing in a 2 point stance. The kid is a physical though and that is what a 3-4 LB has to be. Big and Physical first and hopefully fast enough to be a dominant pass rusher.

Right now, he is getting better each week. So is this defense. That is the most physical a team has played INDY in years. That includes 2 games from the Jets and BAL last year. I really like the way the defense is getting molded. Have you seen KC's defense this year under Crennel? The 3-4 is here to stay in the AFC West and DEN can finally Maul teams late int he year instaed of just being a fast finesse defense. I like where this is going.

2KBack
09-29-2010, 09:45 AM
Ayers was good in that game, but the Colts OL is not really an indictment of this kids Talent. He was going up against some of the weakest OL he will face this year, and he made them look bad. Good, he should because they are not good at all and have a ton of backup level starters playing right now.

The thing with Ayers, is the totally different technique and mental speed of the game. He has all the physical talents to play a 3-4 OLB, he just has to get reps and get comfortable playing in a 2 point stance. The kid is a physical though and that is what a 3-4 LB has to be. Big and Physical first and hopefully fast enough to be a dominant pass rusher.

Right now, he is getting better each week. So is this defense. That is the most physical a team has played INDY in years. That includes 2 games from the Jets and BAL last year. I really like the way the defense is getting molded. Have you seen KC's defense this year under Crennel? The 3-4 is here to stay in the AFC West and DEN can finally Maul teams late int he year instaed of just being a fast finesse defense. I like where this is going.

This post makes me giddy. I really like the idea of beating up on teams physically for a change. It's been a while

PRBronco
09-29-2010, 09:49 AM
This post makes me giddy. I really like the idea of beating up on teams physically for a change. It's been a while

Not me, I miss the good old days when Ian Gold would help the running back up and then smack his butt after each 12 yard run.

TonyR
09-29-2010, 10:02 AM
...That is the most physical a team has played INDY in years. That includes 2 games from the Jets and BAL last year. I really like the way the defense is getting molded. ...DEN can finally Maul teams late int he year instaed of just being a fast finesse defense. I like where this is going.

I agree, but interesting that this goes against some posters who recently claimed we are a finesse team...

Mediator12
09-29-2010, 10:16 AM
I agree, but interesting that this goes against some posters who recently claimed we are a finesse team...

Not defensively, and certainly not by design offensively. DEN is a power running team and a spread passing attack. Last week they played an amazing amount of protection schames against Mathis and Freeney. Polian said they doubled both players over 90% of the game and tripled Freeney on obvious passing downs. That is NOT finesse footbal.

55CrushEm
09-29-2010, 10:37 AM
Not me, I miss the good old days when Ian Gold would help the running back up and then smack his butt after each 12 yard run.

Ha!

mkporter
09-29-2010, 10:48 AM
Not defensively, and certainly not by design offensively. DEN is a power running team and a spread passing attack. Last week they played an amazing amount of protection schames against Mathis and Freeney. Polian said they doubled both players over 90% of the game and tripled Freeney on obvious passing downs. That is NOT finesse footbal.

The amazing thing is that even after spending extra blockers on those two, we still had no problem getting the ball to our WRs.

Mediator12
09-29-2010, 10:56 AM
The amazing thing is that even after spending extra blockers on those two, we still had no problem getting the ball to our WRs.

The whole gameplan was brilliant. They used the run to set up PA max protect packages to get the WR's deeper than the DB's turn point and ran deep comeback, outs, and IN's. With one out and up that the FS bit on the other post route and allowed Lloyd to get over the top of their Cover 3. They took advantage of INDy's coverage tendecies and pass rush.

However, while gaining plenty of yards, they were not so effective in the red zone when the CB's did not have to worry about their deep cover points and were able to play more man coverage behind a heavy blitz or Quarters coverage with no blitz. The playcalling had nothing to do with the red zone woes, it was the lack of advantage DEN surrendered with the end zone boundary flipping the coverage mismatch and Zero running game.

There is a reason the WR's get most of the grabs in this offense. The RB's and TE's were needed to chip and double before releasing into their routes to help the OL.