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Taco John
09-27-2010, 04:49 PM
Please vote for two.

Mogulseeker
09-27-2010, 04:51 PM
Three would be easy.. two, not so much.

I said running the ball and special teams, with rushing the QB a very close third.

SoDak Bronco
09-27-2010, 04:54 PM
pressure on qb and rushing the ball without a doubt. We would be 2-1 with Elvis and Ayers doin there thing. We need to find another guy to get pressure. Last year we had vonnie holliday and darrell reid geting pressure on 3rd down in addition to Elvis. We need that guy again this season. We need to run the ball better in the red zone to be a factor in the AFCWest

Popps
09-27-2010, 05:02 PM
Run D was nice this week. Pass-rush wasn't horrible, but could be better.

We definitely have to figure out how to open up some running lanes on offense.

Kid A
09-27-2010, 05:02 PM
Passing Game (Strength of the team at this point)
Rushing Game (Terrible)
Special Teams (Poor kick coverage, but kicking and returning have been okay aside from Cox muff)
Defense against the Run (Looked pretty good Sunday. Hopefully it wasn't a fluke.)
Defense against the Pass (Woes largely due to Pass Rush, but still have to place some blame on the secondary, especially for the Austin Collie massacre.)
Getting Pressure on the Quarterback (oh Elvis)

epicSocialism4tw
09-27-2010, 05:05 PM
Can I vote for "Rushing Game" twice? ;D

Houshyamama
09-27-2010, 05:08 PM
Rushing Game.

The time's they are a-changin'

Taco John
09-27-2010, 05:12 PM
Can I vote for "Rushing Game" twice? ;D

In a sense, yes. When you vote for it alone, and nothing else, you skew the numbers in a way that is in effect voting for the Rushing Game twice.

RhymesayersDU
09-27-2010, 05:20 PM
Rushing the ball, getting to the QB.

go_broncos
09-27-2010, 05:23 PM
Rushing yards/a = 2.5.
Last in the league.

NYBronco
09-27-2010, 05:26 PM
Rushing game and special teams.

If the team could get a lead early and maintain it some of the problems listed could take care of themselves.

spdirty
09-27-2010, 05:50 PM
If I could vote for 2 Id say coaching and personnel decisions.

Goobzilla
09-27-2010, 05:51 PM
If I could vote for 2 Id say coaching and personnel decisions.

Get outta my head!

ant1999e
09-27-2010, 05:56 PM
Two big returns by Eddie called back for holding and a fumbled return by Cox diddn't help us out. But I guess if we can't score in the red zone it doesn't really matter.

Darkdoc
09-27-2010, 06:19 PM
1 - Running game
2 - Coaching - when a team is having these problems playing the game, it is always poor coaching. I say this even though I really like McD, and have high hopes for his eventual success.

Don't normally like gimmicks, but how about our own "Refrigerator Perry" clone (except no one on our team is 380 pounds). Find a lineman (offensive or defensive) who can line up in the backfield (and avoid fumbling) to get those 1,2 or 3 yard 4th downs at least.

There is certainly no running back now who can power in when needed.

epicSocialism4tw
09-27-2010, 06:26 PM
1 - Running game
2 - Coaching - when a team is having these problems playing the game, it is always poor coaching. I say this even though I really like McD, and have high hopes for his eventual success.

Don't normally like gimmicks, but how about our own "Refrigerator Perry" clone (except no one on our team is 380 pounds). Find a lineman (offensive or defensive) who can line up in the backfield (and avoid fumbling) to get those 1,2 or 3 yard 4th downs at least.

There is certainly no running back now who can power in when needed.

I agree with both of your points to some extent.

As for the coaching, we have a guy who is learning on the job. He is obviously an excellent QB coach. However, we have yet to see proficiency anywhere else. His play-calling has been predictable.

rmsanger
09-27-2010, 07:02 PM
RT is the Enron of the Denver Broncos...

briane
09-27-2010, 07:05 PM
Where is "red zone offense"? that would get a vote or two..

AlphaOmega
09-27-2010, 07:06 PM
NeedaPassRush!

Bronco Boy
09-27-2010, 07:08 PM
Doesn't "biggest" imply only one choice? The poll is flawed!

Kaylore
09-27-2010, 07:09 PM
I voted without reading the directions, but pressure and special teams are my two.

rbackfactory80
09-27-2010, 07:58 PM
For me its simple, special teams is obvious. You need to play well in 3 phases and every week special teams has in some way let us down. Rushing the passer is obvious but getting Dumerville back and putting a young stud in next years draft on the line will really move us forward.

Hamrob
09-27-2010, 08:05 PM
I said pressure on the QB and running game...but, I'd put Redzone Scoring somewhere equally as important. I'm also hoping the run defense wasn't a one game wonder.

Gcver2ver3
09-27-2010, 08:09 PM
redzone offense is the 2nd obvious choice (run game #1)...

lousy run game is partly why our redzone offense sucks...so if i had to vote twice, put me down for twice for run game...

Boomhauer
09-27-2010, 09:29 PM
Biggest Liabilities: GM & HC
During the Game: Rushing & QB

Taco John
09-27-2010, 09:31 PM
Interesting results, but not suprising. I wonder how different the results would be if this poll was made two years ago.

montrose
09-27-2010, 09:33 PM
Interesting results, but not suprising. I wonder how different the results would be if this poll was made two years ago.

1) Turnovers
2) Stopping the run
3) Stopping the pass

Taco John
09-27-2010, 09:35 PM
1) Turnovers
2) Stopping the run
3) Stopping the pass

I think "getting pressure on the QB" and "Special Teams" would have been flagged as the top two in 2008.

Taco John
09-27-2010, 09:36 PM
I think "rushing game" would have been last.

scttgrd
09-27-2010, 09:41 PM
Where is the "Head Coach" option?

Pick Six
09-27-2010, 09:42 PM
Getting pressure on the quarterback would go a long way towards a good defense of the pass. I actually don't see any difference between those two options. No team can just sit back and let quarterbacks do their thing without dire consequences (even though, that's what we tried for several years).

colonelbeef
09-27-2010, 10:27 PM
Can I vote for "Rushing Game" twice? ;D

cosign.

broncocalijohn
09-27-2010, 10:47 PM
Special teams werent bad this time around but missing Elvis more and more. Everyone can argue if it is the OL or our rushers but one thing is common and that is the running game is shameful.

Lev Vyvanse
09-27-2010, 10:57 PM
I think "getting pressure on the QB" and "Special Teams" would have been flagged as the top two in 2008.

1. Run D
2. Pass D

DivineLegion
09-27-2010, 11:11 PM
Run D was nice this week. Pass-rush wasn't horrible, but could be better.

We definitely have to figure out how to open up some running lanes on offense.

Run D looked better, but we are going to see if Wink made adjustments or if we just faced a really bad run game. Chris Johnson is going to rip us a new ass hole. I wouldn't be suprised if he run for over 200 yards. We don't have the speed on defense to stop guys like Chris Johnson, Jamal Charles/Dexter McCluster, Darren McFaden, LT, and Ray Rice with the ball outside of the tackles. Thats 7 more games where I see our defense getting shreaded by our opponents run game, and our offense having to bail us out.

Garcia Bronco
09-27-2010, 11:13 PM
The rushing game is weak, but it's not a liability.

Champagne Powder
09-27-2010, 11:15 PM
Ayers has shown he can get heat on the QB, but the Broncos need another guy to step up.

Champagne Powder
09-27-2010, 11:19 PM
The rushing game is weak, but it's not a liability.

Sure it's a liability. Even if you believe that Denver's high efficiency passing game makes the ground game less relevant, it still would help to have a running game that can convert 1st and goal from the 1.

broncocalijohn
09-27-2010, 11:28 PM
The rushing game is weak, but it's not a liability.
As of right now, 116 think you are completely and embarrassing wrong.

Sure it's a liability. Even if you believe that Denver's high efficiency passing game makes the ground game less relevant, it still would help to have a running game that can convert 1st and goal from the 1.

this. To say that the running game isnt a liability, is stupid. You need a balance offense and we sure didnt get it last week and made the first week look like a high caliber running team.

Cito Pelon
09-27-2010, 11:57 PM
I'd like to see the running game make a difference, and the ST's also.

HEAV
09-28-2010, 12:44 AM
Run blocking and pass rush'n. If we only had Doom...then we just would need to work on the ground game and the special teams.

OABB
09-28-2010, 02:13 AM
The fans.

Lolad
09-28-2010, 04:44 AM
We need to find a RB... I'm not sure if Moreno can get it done. He doesn't see the lanes as well running from the back field. We need that one cut runner who doesn't dance or stop and turns his back to the defense.

Broncomutt
09-28-2010, 06:10 AM
Wish there was a coaching option. I think the side to side horizontal offense is gimmicky and isn't effective in the red zone.

Old Dude
09-28-2010, 06:51 AM
If I had to vote at this moment, it would obviously be the rushing game. However, I think a huge part of that is the young offensive line and the need to develop some cohesion. I'm confident it will improve as the season goes on if the Broncos can stay halfway healthy.

In terms of the season as a whole, I think the bigger issues are going to be the lack of a pass rush and special teams. I don't see either of these things improving until next year, by which time we'll probably have a whole new assortment of problems (assuming we even have a season).

montrose
09-28-2010, 07:30 AM
I think "getting pressure on the QB" and "Special Teams" would have been flagged as the top two in 2008.

While the special teams did suck that year, we lead the league with 30 turnovers and they came in such critical points of games that caused losses. Using the options you listed, I'd say "Getting pressure on the QB" and "Defense against the run".

Mogulseeker
09-28-2010, 08:08 AM
Passing Game
Clearly our strength right now. Orton is good, our WRs are very balanced and compliment eachother well. Even our o-line is a great, young pass-blocking one.

Rushing Game
An issue with the run-blocking of the o-line. I don't know what it is - perhaps inexperience. Our RBs, especially Knowshon, are actually looking pretty decent after the first hit. It sucks that the first hit always comes -1 yards behind the line. Kuper and Harris, and moving Beadles to LG will obviously help this.

Special Teams
Again, the kicking and return game is great. Coverage sucks, and given our compliment of special teams players, our cover teams are awful. It has to be the scheming.

Defense against the Run
Our run D is pretty decent.

Defense against the Pass
Our pass defense is our defensive strength. Good coverage all around, good ball skills.

Getting Pressure on the Quarterback
Not as bad as some people make it out to be, but missing Doom is an issue. That's a problem with the 3-4: you need a pass rush from the backers. that's hard to do when the line is getting pushed back. I've noticed the ends mostly are just getting mauled. I like Bannan and he made some good plays... Bannan, Hagan and Peterson are our weakest links on D right now.

mkporter
09-28-2010, 10:16 AM
Wish there was a coaching option. I think the side to side horizontal offense is gimmicky and isn't effective in the red zone.

Our red zone problems directly stem from our inability to run the ball. I don't know what games you've been watching, but we've had a lot of vertical action in our offense this year. We can't run the ball worth crap, so we replace that with some more screens, which have also been effective. The offensive scheme is pretty solid, we just aren't executing in the run game.

Hulamau
09-28-2010, 10:27 AM
I agree with both of your points to some extent.

As for the coaching, we have a guy who is learning on the job. He is obviously an excellent QB coach. However, we have yet to see proficiency anywhere else. His play-calling has been predictable.

I didnt like the stubborn streak Josh has shown at times along the goal line trying to grind it out with off tackle runs when that is our weakness. But you cant possibly call the bulk of this game 'predictable'! There was some really creative play calling and clever routes run all day against Indy.. Josh also set a definitely winnable game plan up for the Colts.

He is learning on the job as does any coach, especially a young new coach, but outside of being a little too bulldog to prove a point on the goal line this loss was far more about 'execution' than 'predictable playcalling'!